BibleProject - The True Human - Son of Man E6

Episode Date: February 18, 2019

In part one (0:00-12:00), the guys quickly recap the biblical story leading up to Daniel 7. There are many models of the Son of Man in the Old Testament: Noah, Moses, David, Joshua. They all get close, but they ultimately fail and are not able to be the perfect “seed of the woman” that will crush the snake and fulfill the prophecy given in Genesis after the fall. In part two (12:00-29:30), the guys dive into Daniel 7: In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel had a dream, and visions passed through his mind as he was lying in bed. He wrote down the substance of his dream. Daniel said: “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me were the four winds of heaven churning up the great sea. Four great beasts, each different from the others, came up out of the sea. “The first was like a lion, and it had the wings of an eagle. I watched until its wings were torn off and it was lifted from the ground so that it stood on two feet like a human being, and the mind of a human was given to it. “And there before me was a second beast, which looked like a bear. It was raised up on one of its sides, and it had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth. It was told, ‘Get up and eat your fill of flesh!’ “After that, I looked, and there before me was another beast, one that looked like a leopard. And on its back it had four wings like those of a bird. This beast had four heads, and it was given authority to rule. After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there before me was a fourth beast—terrifying and frightening and very powerful. It had large iron teeth; it crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. It was different from all the former beasts, and it had ten horns. “While I was thinking about the horns, there before me was another horn, a little one, which came up among them; and three of the first horns were uprooted before it. This horn had eyes like the eyes of a human being and a mouth that spoke boastfully. As I looked, thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of Days took his seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool. His throne was flaming with fire, and its wheels were all ablaze. A river of fire was flowing, coming out from before him. Thousands upon thousands attended him; ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him. The court was seated, and the books were opened. Then I continued to watch because of the boastful words the horn was speaking. I kept looking until the beast was slain and its body destroyed and thrown into the blazing fire. (The other beasts had been stripped of their authority, but were allowed to live for a period of time.) In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed. Tim makes the following observations: The animals are like an anti-creation. They are extremely non-kosher animals. They are mutants, and they come out of chaotic, watery darkness. They are chaos creatures. Daniel sees the same throne room (v 9) that Ezekiel saw in his vision in Ezekiel 1. What Nebuchadnezzar had wanted, to be praised and worshiped by everyone, happens to the Son of Man when God exalts him. In parts three and four (29:30-52:00), Tim and Jon cover the interpretation of the dream in v15-27: I, Daniel, was troubled in spirit, and the visions that passed through my mind disturbed me. I approached one of those standing there and asked him the meaning of all this. So he told me and gave me the interpretation of these things: ‘The four great beasts are four kings that will rise from the earth. But the holy people of the Most High will receive the kingdom and will possess it forever—yes, for ever and ever.’ Then I wanted to know the meaning of the fourth beast, which was different from all the others and most terrifying, with its iron teeth and bronze claws—the beast that crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. I also wanted to know about the ten horns on its head and about the other horn that came up, before which three of them fell—the horn that looked more imposing than the others and that had eyes and a mouth that spoke boastfully. As I watched, this horn was waging war against the holy people and defeating them, until the Ancient of Days came and pronounced judgment in favor of the holy people of the Most High, and the time came when they possessed the kingdom. He gave me this explanation: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it. The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time. ‘But the court will sit, and his power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever. Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of all the kingdoms under heaven will be handed over to the holy people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will worship and obey him.' Tim makes the following observations: The “holy ones” has a double meaning. It represents both the “holy” sons of God/elohim, that is celestial beings in the divine council, and it represents a true human race who are “holy” to God and fulfills their calling by following the true Son of Man. Daniel 7 is a symbolic and cosmic depiction of a real, historical conflict (Antiochus’ attack on Jerusalem and defilement of the temple in 167 B.C.), that is part of an ancient pattern going all the way back to Genesis 1-3. In part five (52:00-end), Tim observes that somewhere in Daniel 7 is a storyline that was crucial to Jesus and how he thought of his identity. So if someone wants to understand more about Jesus, they should invest the time to learn more about the Son of Man storyline in the Hebrew Scriptures. Thank you to of all our supporters! Have a question for the upcoming Q+R? Send it to us! [e-mail] Show Produced By: Dan Gummel, Jon Collins Show Music: Defender Instrumental, Tents Pilgrim, Instrumental Going Up, Lakey Inspired Model Planes, Hands of a Craftsman Show Resources: Our video on the Son of Man: https://bit.ly/2URk3BH Morna Hooker, "The Son of Man in Mark." John Goldingay, "Daniel" (Word Biblical Commentary) Crispin Fletcher-Louis, "The King, the Messiah, and the Ruler Cult" (ch. 6 of "Jesus Monotheism") Michael S. Heiser, Ch. 30 of "The Unseen Realm: Recovering the Supernatural Worldview of the Bible."

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Hey, this is John at the Bible Project. We've been having a conversation about a phrase in the Bible, the Son of Man. It literally means a human one. This phrase is the title that Jesus uses most often to describe Himself, and embedded in this phrase as an entire world of ideas, namely, that God created humanity to rule the world with Him, just like he appointed heavenly beings to rule the heavenly realm. It's a royal calling, but instead of humanity seizing this royal calling, we instead seize our autonomy. And instead of becoming glorious beings, we become like animals. We scheme,

we murder, we rule with violence. In the last episode we looked at the story of Daniel, and how King Nebuchadnezzar is one of these beastly violent rulers. Today in this conversation, we get to chapter 7 in the book of Daniel. It's an intense dream about beasts, and not just any beasts, full on chaos creatures. When we meet them, they're emerging out of a world that resembles a backwards created order. And so instead of dry land emerging and beautiful plants, animals, and then humans, instead it's the chaos ocean, dry land, and then mutants. And then we learn that these creatures represent human kings and their kingdoms.

So the kingdoms of this world, now and then, inevitably produce these superbeasts. And while the kingdoms of this world will still keep on churning, but more time is granted to them. When these superbeasts appear and they go too far, God won't take them. God judges the beasts and destroys them. And then, one appearing like the Son of Man comes riding up in a cloud to sit next to God. And this character begins to rule with God overall creation. It's a human who knows how to rule.

And because of that true authority is given to him. And then, the thing that Nebuchadnezzar was after is now given to this true image of God, all the nations serving and honoring him. This human's dominion is eternal. It won't pass away. This human's kingdom will never be destroyed. This is the fulfillment of Genesis 1.

What kind of human can rule with justice and peace and goodness? What kind of human can truly have power without becoming corrupted? When a human comes who truly puts himself under the rule of God and then extends that kind of divine rule out to the world, that human you discover is the embodiment for the revelation of God himself. Just a friendly warning, this conversation gets a little nerdy, a little nerder, the normal I should say. And if you have the ability to follow along in a Bible, I'd recommend doing that grab it,

open it up to Daniel 7. Thanks for joining us. Here we go. All right, jumping into Daniel 7, Daniel 7 is the center of the Book of Daniel and how the literary structure of the book works. And it's the story of this vision that is behind our whole conversation of this character, the son of a man, who Jesus identifies with and thinks of himself as. Not only is this like the center of the book of Daniel, it's like the center of Jesus' identity. And we've had a lot of conversations about that this doesn't just come out of nowhere,

this idea of a human who can truly reign as an image of God. Yeah, physical embodiment. Is what God's wanted and was what God has created humans to be. We're incapable of doing this because we keep taking more than Zalotted when something seems good. We'll redefine good, Neville, in order to get it. more than zalotted. When something seems good. We'll redefine good evil in order to get it. It doesn't matter who gets hurt or what the consequences are,

it looks good. And that becomes the problem that... On an individual level and on a corporate. On an individual level, yeah, it looks like Cain killing his brother. And on a corporate level, it looks like Nebuchadnezzar, like ruling like a ruthless dictator. Plundering the nations. Yeah.

Throwing people in fiery pits. Yeah. But there's this hope that there will be a human, a seed of the woman who can just stop this nonsense. That's right. Crush the head of the snake. While also being wounded by it. By also being wounded by the snake.

The seed will crush the serpent's head and the serpent will crush the seed's heel. No. Who's this character? Noah? Maybe it was him. Nope. Maybe it was Abraham and his sons.

Nope. Moses gets really close. I mean, this guy is on fire. Maybe it was Abraham and his sons. No. Moses gets really close. I mean, this guy is on fire. Yeah. And then you get Joshua. Yeah. You get King David is a big potential. In fact, so much so that the story really gets narrowed in on his seed.

But no, he fails at that task. There's no human. We get to Daniel and Daniel is kind of presented as that human. Yeah, he doesn't take. Yeah, he'll give up his own life to remain faithful to God and not take what's forbidden him. Yeah, that's chapter one of Daniel. And he's presented as this like this new atom figure.

Yeah. And the King of the Nations can see that at the end of Daniel too, and worships him as an image of God, and offer sacrifices before him. Yeah. But then there's a storyline going on within Daniel, which is King Nebuchadnezzar. He has his own test. Is how is he gonna rule?

What's he gonna do with his power? It's he can use it for good and take care of people or not, and he has this vision of this beautiful tree that is producing and creating all his value, but it's chopped down. And that's what happens to him. And it's God saying, if you're going to create a corrupt version of human rule, I'm not going to put up with it ultimately.

Yeah. And I like to put people in place who don't deserve it or don't, um, you wouldn't expect them to deserve it. Yeah, unexpected because they don't use power the way that people empower use power correct Yeah, like Daniel Like Daniel the story. Yeah, yeah, so this is all ringing in your ears of like okay Maybe Daniel's gonna become this son of man character. Yeah, the new king. Yeah Yeah, that's right and and also again, the human and beast.

Now, Bikinesar, at the end of that whole thing about the tree, is he instead of becoming a tree of life to the nations, he becomes a wild beast exiled in the wilderness. Yeah, that's kind of this sub-theme that runs through this whole Son of Man thing, which is, what does it mean to be a human? You put on earth on the same day as the animals in the Genesis 1. To exercise God's responsibility for those beasts. But then, but you're given, we were given, you, I keep talking about humans, I'm not part of this, we were given the status and responsibility separate from animals. But we came from the Earth-like animals. We were given the breath of life like animals.

Yeah, and like Nebuchadnezzar dream, when humans are truly ruling under God's rule, the animals benefit. Benefit. Yeah, they get all the fruit. Yeah, you get all the fruit. As well as other people, of course. But in the dream, then ever because it has, it's him as a benefit to the animals. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But the opposite act is to actually become like the animals. Yeah. But the way you get there is by redefining good and evil, according to my definition of what is good and to rule and organize my own life, my personal kingdom, or our corporate kingdom together in my community in such a way that we've redefined what is the right good goal and we'll do whatever it takes together. And when that happens,

it's like the story of Kane giving in to the inner animal. Yeah, there's this, the energy behind that, to desire that, it comes from within, but it's also something bigger than just something that began inside of me. It's sin, it's this evil. Sin inclination towards rebellion, evil, it's animal life. And it's described like an animal. It's described like an animal. And it turns you into animal life. And it's described like an animal. It's described like an animal.

Yeah. And it turns you into an animal. And it turns you into an animal, less than human. And that's what we're seeing dramatized here in all these stories in Daniel. So that's how animal thing. It feels a little blurry to me where it's like, hey, you are an animal.

You were put on earth. Yeah. The same day as the animals. That's right. So there's a similarity. Similarity. You like unto the animals. Yeah. And you both come from the earth. Both come from the earth, both given the same day as the animals. That's right. So there's a similarity similarity You like unto the animals and you both come from the earth both come from the earth both given the breath of life Yes, but you Human animal. I mean we are animals human animals. Yep. You are the image of God

What in a way that animals aren't other animals are not yeah, yeah scandalous yeah talk about somebody being exalted from the dirt up to the throne of kings. Yeah, the weak things. Yeah, right. So you're not just an animal, you're something way, way more important. So you're both, you have this dual identity.

Yeah. This dual identity means that you're gonna, you can rule the animals, and you can bring peace to the animal kingdom. Benefit. And benefit, yeah. Yeah, your rule the animal kingdom. Benefit. Benefit. Yeah. Yeah, your rule can create benefit.

Benefit. For those around you. But the other side of it is you don't do this correctly and you're just going to become one of the worst animals. Yes. That you're good. And not doing it correctly means seizing my own knowing of good

evil, not submitting to God's rule and definition of good evil, seizing it for myself. So here in Daniel, you get Nebuchadnezzar, he does that, he literally becomes an animal, not literally, but in the story, he grows claws and feathers. That's right. Hair like feathers. He becomes an animal like.

And he's eating the food of the animals. Just like cane. Like, you know, after the rebellion of his parents has his same rebellion Vails his test and he becomes animal like in what sense? Does he keep murdering his brother? Oh murder murder murder of another human in the name of my definition of good. Yeah, it's Cain's animal like yeah behavior. Well, Nebuchadnezzar was murdering people, left and right. But now he's grown hair, like feathers and clothes.

Yeah, but as if his animal-like identity in the fields is now a narrative image of what he's already been acting like in the story, throwing people into fires, threatening to kill people because he had a bad dream acting like in the story. Throwing people into fires. You know, threatening to kill people because he had a bad dream, like I'm saying. Yeah. So you're right. Here we're getting to the essence of all of these stories

and the meta story. I really want what I want the video to capture. It's this right here. Yeah. Nebuchadnezzar, character, Daniel's character, all these stories in Daniel are a detailed explorations of just the core thing that was already set up. Yeah. So, Daniel.

Here we are, Daniel 7. In the first year of Bell Shits are King of Babylon Daniel had a dream. Oh Up to this point, it's been the Kings of Babylon having dreams Mm-hmm, and he interprets them and he's able to interpret them. Mm-hmm. Now it's Daniel. Now. He's having a dream Uh-huh as he lay in bed He so he wrote it down and here's the summary Daniel said I was looking in my vision and it was night and Uh-huh. As you lay in bed. So we wrote it down and here's the summary.

Daniel said, I was looking in my vision and it was night and behold the four winds of heaven were stirring up, churning a great sea. Four winds of heaven. Is that supposed to remind me of anything? Four directions was the compass. Okay. So from every direction. Yeah, from every direction So it but when I think of wind and sea I'm picturing Genesis one toilet and night and night

Yeah, it was so it's dark. Yeah, and the chaotic waters churning and the winds Yeah, blowing over them. Yeah, this is totally that's a guy. They're right. Okay. It's a glowing hyperlink to blowing over them. Yeah, this is totally, that's a galley right. Okay. It's a glowing hyperlink to Genesis one. But there's four wins instead of one. And Genesis one that's right. So it's like the cosmic wins. So for the four directions of the compass can become an image for to sing everywhere from every direction. Got it. Cosmos. Yeah, that's right. And four great animals Hmm, crawled up from the sea.

Is this the same thing then? It's four beasts, but really it's just the cosmic beast. Yeah, the whole cosmos is producing animals being belted up out of this churning chaotic ocean. Oh gosh. So let me tell you what they look like. Yeah. You know the first one was like a lion.

Like Daniel, I was just in the lion's den. Yeah chapter six. Yeah, so but it was a mutant lion Because it had wings like an eagle. I you know who else look like an eagle earlier in the story Nebuchadnezzar What remember he grew yeah he grew eagle fur. Yeah, we're in head claws like an eagle. Yeah He grew, he grew eagle fur, and had claws like an eagle. I kept looking, however, and that was wings got plucked, and it got lifted up from the ground and made to stand on two feet, like a human. And a human heart was given to it. It's interesting. Do you remember Nebuchadnezzar?

He was exiled, and the heart of a beast was given to him. Right. But then the time passed, and the heart of a human was given back to him again. Oh, in the story That's right. We didn't have that part. That's right. After he's exiled as a beast. He humbles himself before and he says God of Heavens is a little God and He stands up and a heart of a human is given back to Babylon. Okay, so this first beast is Supposed to make you think of all the hyperlinks just back to two chapters earlier. Okay, so this first beast is supposed to make you think of... All the hyperlinks just back to two chapters earlier.

Okay. But there is a second beast. You remember the statue from chapter two? They had four metals, sequence of fork empires. Yeah. Here we go. It was four beasts. And the head was Babylon of the statue. Yeah.

You're the first beast is Nebuchadnezzar Babylon. Got it. Second beast. This one's like a bear. Now it was raised up on one side and three bones were in its mouth between its teeth and someone yelled to the bear, get up to the hour much flesh.

Rise or bear. I kept looking, another one, this one, a leopard. But it had four wings on its back, wings like a bird. It also had four heads, and it had dominion. Then I kept looking in my night dreams. A fourth beast, dreadful, terrifying, extremely powerful, and it had big iron teeth. It devoured, and it crushed and trampled the remainder or what the remnant. And it was different than all the beasts in front of it and it had

ten horns coming out of its head. The third one had four heads. Oh this one only has one head. This one has one head iron teeth. Get them confused. Yeah, ten horn. This is the super beast. It's given no, it fits no classification. The other ones were like a mutant lion, a mutant leopard, a hungry bear. This is just some ravenous who knows what beast it. Yeah, so mutant, it has no, no its its own category. It means but as 10 horns it's 10 horns horns are they're gonna be interpreted as kings and horn is a Standard image of kings in the Hebrew Bible, okay, and I was sitting there staring at those horns Yeah, and then look one horn a little one just popped right up in the middle of the ten.

And the first three horns were pulled out by their roots. So this little horn pops up and like, it scoots off the other three that fall off. And this horn had eyes like a human. And its mouth was uttering great things. So those are the beasts. The chaotic, right? uttering great things. So those are the beasts. The chaotic, like, right? So think the chaotic waters out of which the dry land emerged. Yeah. And brought order.

Right. Genesis one. This is like the anti-genesis one. Hmm. This nightmare version of Genesis one. Yeah, the upside down. Oh, holy cow. That's exactly what this is. Yeah.

From stranger thing. From stranger thing. This is the upside down of Genesis one. What's the upside down of Genesis one? this is. Yeah, from stranger thing. From stranger thing. This is the upside down of Genesis 1. What's the upside down of Genesis 1? What if, yeah, totally. Yeah. And so instead of dry land emerging and beautiful plants and then animals and then humans,

instead it's the chaotic ocean dry land and then mutants start coming oozing out of the water. Yeah, there is no dry land. Well, they're crawling up onto the land. Yeah, so speak. We didn't have a moment where the land was talking about. No, okay, so. These are water beasts. No, no. So there's all kinds of stuff going on of these beasts. Again, the kosher food laws. the kosher food laws, the animals are categorized by air, land, water, animals, and animals that travel back and forth between those boundaries are among the unpeer animals. So these are the ultimate un-coachier animals.

The land animals with wings, multiple heads, and they're all coming out of the sea. Yeah, yeah. So it's animals that are in the sea and on the land. And, yeah. So for, again, Jewish readers, these would be the ultimate uncoachery animals. Got it. Chaos creatures.

Chaos creatures. Yeah. Okay, then I kept looking, verse nine. And I saw these thrones set up. Oh, this is important. In our earlier conversation, when we started with Daniel 7, I just talked about two thrones where he saw one throne and then another throne unoccupied. That's one possible way to read. Another possible way to read this. I've discovered,

actually it makes coherent sense. Is it many thrones? It's the thrones for the sense of God. For the sense of God who sits under the feet? It's the divine council room. It's the thrones for the sons of God. For the sons of God who sit under the feet. It's the divine council room. It's the divine council. He's seeing into the divine council room. Which means it would be the God of God, the God of all the other Elohim. And there is an empty throne beside him

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So that's verse 9. So he sees the divine chariot mobile that Ezekiel saw. Yeah. So, okay, so this is a divine throne room, but it's a mobile divine throne room. Or it's a mobile throne. Correct. The same way that the Holy of Holy is in the temple represented God dwelling above the Cherubim, the Invisible God,

seated above the Cherubim, when that thing gets mobile, then it's the Divine Throne on this cherries. That's what this cherries is. So it's what you're seeing. Yeah. And there's a river of fire flowing out from it, just like in Eden,

which was the cosmic mountain where the Divine Th throne room met Earth. And there's the river of Eden. There was the river of Eden. Now it's a river of fire because it's a river coming to consume evil from the Earth. And thousands upon thousands were attending him. These are all of our heavenly host, the heavenly armies. There's thousands of them?

Thousands upon thousands, but there was like 72 or something. Miria is upon Miria. No, so there's the sons of Elohim. Uh-huh. There's symbolic number of 70, yeah, 70. For the 70 nations.

And now here's all of the angelic messengers and the attendance. And there's millions. And there's 10,000s time, 10,000. Oh. That's something for him. How huge heavenly host. It's 10,000 times time 10,000. Oh. Something for him. Wow. How huge heavenly house. It's 10,000 times 10,000 a million.

Yes. The court sat for judgment. Judgment sat. Books were opened. I never imagined this grand. What do you mean? Oh, I just was with the whole divine counseling stuff. I was just like, yeah, it's a small crew.

But like, there's millions of the million. The heavenly. Wow, dude, how any stars are there? Yeah, sure I don't know remember when the these were all created and Before there's a lot of stars up there. Yeah, especially without light pollution. Yeah, I mean that's what's in their imagination Yeah, it's that universe up there realm Yeah, so then I kept looking verse 11 and this I I kept hearing, man, the boastful, arrogant words

of that porn on the super beast. And then I looked, and then that beast was destroyed. It's slain. It's body destroyed, and it's thrown into the river of fire. And as for the rest of the beasts, their dominion was taken away, but they kept on churning. A period of time was granted to them. So the images, the kingdoms of this world are mutants like. They look just like Nebuchadnezzar did when he got exiled after his dream.

But then the kingdoms of this world produced this super beast, the issues in a type of king that's just like the anti-everything. It's anti-human. It's like an animal, but a mutant animal. It tramples and destroys people indiscriminately. Remember, the super beast in verse 7 was trampling, crushing, trampling everything under its feet. Yeah. And it's full of itself. It was different from all the former beasts, and it had 10 horns. What do you mean it was full of himself?

That a little horn. That's just a little horn. It's just an animals horn with two eyes and a mouth. Yeah. Just like singing Jay-Z song. I think like being both full and full. Oh, totally. Awesome, I am. And this and this Babylon time. Oh, and both for the whole time.

Awesome, I am. And this Babylon, my kingdom, for my glory, that kind of thing. But this is one horn on the beast. One particular horn on the super beast. So the kingdoms of this world, now and then, so to speak, produce, inevitably produce these super beasts. And while the kingdoms of this world will still keep on churning, a more time is granted to them.

When these super beasts appear, yeah, they go too far. When they go too far, God won't take it. The divine throne will come and his judgment will be issued. This is a beast. Beast slain given over to destruction. The kingdoms produce mutant super beast. God won't take it. It's like equivalent of the tree getting chopped down, so to speak. But here's something new. I kept looking,

and after that super beast was slain, behold, with the clouds of the heavens, one like a sun of humanity was coming. He rose up to the ancient of days. So he goes from the earthly realm. He sees a human and a human is riding on the clouds. That right there is a hyperlink. Somebody ride the cloud rider. What's the hyperlink? There's three times that Yahweh is called the cloud rider. Oh, okay. And it's actually a phrase that appears in other ancient Near Eastern literature, specifically to describe Baal, the Thunder God, the Cloud Rider. So here a human is being called the Cloud Rider, which is something in Hebrew Bible that only Yahweh is ever. So

here's a human Cloud Rider, and he's riding the cloud up to the ancient of days and was presented before him. And he was given dominion and glory. Remember what Babylon said? Here's Babylon for my glory. And so God raises a human from the human realm up to the divine throne room and gives this human who's formerly being among those trampled by the beast, right?

The beast was down there trampling on the human realm. So one human is exalted up, and he's given the glory and dominion that the super beast thought was his own. And all the peoples and the nations and languages might serve or worship. This is the word for worship. Okay, so Daniel 2 was where Nebuchadnezzar bowed down and worshiped Daniel as an image of God because of his interpreting his dream about the four kingdoms.

Daniel 3 was Nebuchadnezzar making an image of himself in his kingdom and forcing every people, nation, and language to bow down to his false image. Now here the son of man is being presented, right? A human image of God brought up to the divine throne room. This is what Nebuchadnezzar was after. Yes. He was after this kind of praise by everyone. Yeah. But how do you get it? Yeah. Yeah. So it's not Nebuchadnezzar who claimed this position for himself. Rather, it's a trampled human. The trampled human. Well, a human from the human realm, a son of humanity, who was in the realm that the superbeasts was just trampling. Remember?

So superbeasts was out there trampling on the land. And then God takes care of the superbeasts and exalts up a human from the human realm. So you're just assuming he was being trampled by the beast? Correct. And in the later chapter, go on to say it explicitly. And then the thing that Nebuchadnezzar was after with his image is now given to this true image of God, all the nations serving and honoring him.

And his dominion, this human's dominion is eternal. It won't pass away. This human's kingdom will never be destroyed. It's not like the statue that a meter is in common. Totally. Take down. Yeah. This is the fulfillment of Genesis 1.

It's like Genesis 1. Hmm. The ideal of a human. That true human partner. Reigning as God's divine image over the nations here. This is a vision, a dream that the hope of Genesis 1 is possible and will come to be. That's right. Yep, that's it.

Yeah. But this human is remarkable because it's a human who's doing stuff that in the story, only Yahweh, they got of Israel. And I thought he's sitting on the throne. So now here's a human image of Yahweh doing what I thought only the heavenly Yahweh can do, which is ride the clouds and sit on the divine throne and be worshiped by all the nations So now we're all the way back to the complex portrait of God in the Hebrew Bible where it's like there's a heavenly Yahweh who sits on the throne

Yeah, and then do you remember like the angel of the Lord? Yeah, it's Yahweh appearing as a human mm-hmm There's a heavenly Yahweh who rides the clouds in the heavens, but now here's a human who's riding on the clouds like Yahweh. And being worshiped like Yahweh. So there's a heavenly invisible Yahweh, no man can see my face and live, but then there's a human manifestation of Yahweh, talks with Abraham and Gideon and Moses, And here he's writing the clouds, is he keel saw him on the throne, but it's a human. If you could do a kaleidoscope image, it would be like two thrones or one throne above all the other.

I said guys dream, man. But this dream is doing serious theological work. Theological work, man. About the nature of God, the nature of human, humans in our world. What's wrong with the world? Yeah. What's wrong with us? Yeah. Where it's all going. So Daniel, for the first time, Daniel wakes up from the stream and he says, I was so disturbed. Yeah, that's a pretty intense dream. The visions of my mind kept alarming me, and for the first time in the book, he can't

make sense of his dream. So he can make sense of other people's dreams. Can't make sense of his dream. So he can make sense of other people's dreams. Yeah, can't make sense of his own So he in his dream walks over to Some being super being standing there and I asked about the interpretation of all this So he's given a summary first these beasts are four and they are four kings who will come up from the land,

but the holy ones of the most high one will receive the kingdom and possess the kingdom forever, forever and ever. That's the summary. Yeah. The holy ones. So this son of man character is a representative of all of Israel. It seems like here. Well, so first the holy ones The holy ones who have been called the holy ones up to this point. Oh, who the holy ones the sons of Elohim. Oh The sons of Elohim. Okay. Holy ones the holy ones of the most how we see the kingdom of Africa So remember each each nation has its own holy one. Okay, okay. And Israel is God's own portion, right? It has, it's holy one is Yahweh. Hmm.

And I've used as holy people. So that's because they're interpreting it for you. Okay. I'm sorry. I don't mean to bash on the NIV. It's an incredible, it's a great translation for the purpose that it was made. Yeah.

But in a case like this, I think they're making a decision for you that doesn't allow you to see the interplay between the human and the angelic, the human and the divine. So essentially there's four beasts, but at the end of the day, God's kingdom, both in its heavenly and earthly representatives will receive and participate in God's eternal kingdom. Heaven and Earth, it's heavenly sons of Elohim, and it's earthly representatives. We've been talking about this,

how those two story lines, they're separate, but they're the same. They're distinct, but interrelated. They're distinct interrelated. Yeah, there's two different domains. Yeah, you have Babylon. Different types of characters. But it seems like they're on these parallel story tracks.

The only way to make sense of what's going on here is when God rescues Israel, his people and gives them the glory in the kingdom that he promised to David, Abraham, he is simultaneously giving his kingdom to Israel's heavenly representatives. Yeah. When Jesus saw his disciples go and proclaim the gospel, the kingdom, in different cities, he saw the Satan fall from heaven. That's right. Yeah. The son of Elhim. It was completely connected. The member of the divine council, who now is exercising authority. It was completely connected. Yeah, the member of the Divine Council, who now is exercising authority. And how do I know this?

Because look at these humans. They're beautiful images of God who act like animals, just kill each other, steal from each other. They're under the rule of the evil son of Elhem. Yeah. Acting like animals, like Nebuchadnezzar. But now Jesus goes out and people are transferring their allegiance to the true God

and becoming true human images of God in the process. And it's as if the evil ones rule. He's being dethroned from over them. So these four great beasts are four kings. Yeah. They're human kings. Yep. And then he says, but the holy ones, the sons of Elohim,

the ones who represent God's reign and rule will inherit all of the nations. But that's not the story of the Bible. The story of the Bible is that humans will inherit. Exactly. Exactly. So why is it that the sons of Elohim? They're not different things. What? The holy ones of the most high. Who is that? Well, we know about the stars, the heavenly representatives that are a symbol of God's rule, but in Genesis 1, they're also celestial and terrestrial. And I just watched Daniel's dream about one who's clearly called a human, but who is elevated up into and to participate in the heavenly rule.

And he rode on the clouds like the angel of Yahweh does. Yeah. So the Son of Man is a figure who's bridging heaven and earth. Heaven and earth is uniting in the role of the Son of Man. Yeah. And so the Son of Man figure is playing the role of the sons of Elohim and of the humans, images of the heavenly images of God and the human, earthly images of God.

And so this is going to get impact more in the dream, but so we can just say that he's an image of the holy ones of God, heavenly and earthly, who will receive God's kingdom and participate in God's rule over forever. It's a mind-bender, but again, this is part of my new discovery of how important the theme is of the human images of God and the heavenly images of God. And it is interesting that this is what he grabs onto

the most is that dual identity. Correct, that's right. Being human, but being. Yeah, so Jesus, if he sees the world in Daniel 7 terms, which he clearly does, he sees himself as the one in whom God's kingdom over heaven and earth is being restored. And so, when he goes out into Galilee proclaiming God's kingdom, he sees people giving their allegiance to him. And he looks up behind the curtain so to speak,

and he can watch the holy ones of the most high whom he is the representative, reasserting God's rule over the world, and the evil Elohim, sons of Elohim being de-throwned. Apparently, how Jesus saw the world. Yeah. It's the biblical view of seeing the world. It's not natural to my way of seeing the world.

Right. But it's apparently what Jesus thinks is going on. Let's that sit, because we're gonna, when we read some stories in the gospels, this will come up again. So let's go to verse 23. Okay. Okay. So, he says, now let me tell to verse 23. Okay. So, he says, now let me tell you about that fourth beast. There'll be a fourth kingdom, different than all the other kingdoms that's going to eat

all the land. Yeah. Tread it down and crush it. The Ten Horns, their Ten Kings, who will arise after them, one last member, the Little Horn, one more king. He will come and subdue three kings or the three horns that fell out. And he's gonna speak out against the most high.

This is very detailed. Like, this is very detailed. No, I mean, in the fact that like, if this was just kind of a general description of the plight of humans and how we deal with power. Oh, I understand. Then, yeah, horns and beasts and it's talking about it's a very specific horn that takes down three horns.

Yep, I'm with you. It's like, what is it referring to? Yeah, we'll get there. Okay, we'll get there. So that one particular horn with eyes and a mouth, he's gonna speak out against the most high. Yeah. He's gonna wear down the holy ones of the most high. He's

going to make changes in the sacred times, the sacred calendar of Israel. He's going to change things in the Torah and they, that is these holy ones, will be given over into the hand of this horn of the super beast, four, three and a half times. Time, two times, half a time. Half of a Sabbath. A Sabbath? Half of a seven. Three and a half is half of seven. So half of a Sabbath cycle.

Whether it's... A time is seven days. Or is seven... Correct. Yeah, that's right. But a time, two times, half a time, one plus two plus half is three and a half, exactly half of seven.

It actually, in Hebrew, it's very clear. In Hebrew, in Hebrew they're singular, there's dual, and then there's plural. So you can put it ending on the noun to indicate just two of something. Okay, yep. So for three and a half, half of a set, half of a set. Yeah, and where it doesn't mean year,

it just means a some period of time. Yeah. A time. A period of time that... One period of time. Half of what a period of time should be. Yeah, one period of time. Two periods of time, a half a period of time.

Yeah. Which comes to 3.5, which is exactly. Half a seven. Half a seven. And seven and if seven seven the symbolic number of completeness. Yeah, then it's for this is a symbolic number of incompleteness in incompleteness. Then the court will sit. Remember the little king of the Super Beast will wage war and overcome the holy ones. And he's going to be full of himself. But then the court will sit just like when the ancient day showed up. His dominion will be taken away, destroyed forever, then the sovereignty, the rule, the dominion, which is the word kingdom, and the greatness of all the kingdoms, all the nations, under all the heavens, will be given to the

people of the Holy Ones of the Most High One. And his kingdom... Well, that's not what NIV says. What? Really? What does NIV say? He will be, let's see, the sovereign power and greatness of the kingdoms under heaven will be handed over to the holy people of the Most High. So they think holy ones is just a descriptor of the people. I see, so they just emerge as two. Yeah, and Aramaic, it says to the singular people of the plural holy ones of the singular Most High One. And his kingdom, and that his could refer to the most high one,

or it could refer to the people, his kingdom. It were there, people, it's a singular noun, plural reference. Somebody's kingdom. It could be any of those three. Well, it couldn't be the holy ones, because that's a plural noun, so it would be there. Okay. But the point is it's a singular, the kingdom of a singular person. Well, who's that? It could be the most high one. Okay. But the whole chapter is about God's rule being given to

the Son of Man, another one. Mm-hmm. Who's that? Mm-hmm. Well, in this sentence, it's the most likely reference, I think, is the people. Mm- people. The kingdom of the people of the saints of the most high will be eternal forever and ever. All nations will serve and obey him, which is exactly what the bow down and worship. This is what Nebuchadnezzar did before. To Daniel. The seed of David in Daniel too.

And then at that point, the revelation ended. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts alarmed me, my face grew pale. I didn't tell anybody about this crazy dream that I had. Dude, Daniel 7. So here, let me just show you the progression. You have the son of man in the dream. What's the interpretation?

The holy ones are going to be trampled by the beast, but then given possession of the dream. What's the interpretation? The holy ones are going to be trampled by the beast, but then given possession of the kingdom. The kingdom being gods of the Holy Grail. Sharing in gods of authority and reign. That was round one of the interpretation. And you're like the holy ones, so the sun of man stands for the holy ones. The second aspect of the interpretation is given. And the sun of man figure is called the people of the holy ones of the most high. So when you take the whole chapter into consideration, the son of man is a singular symbolic human who represents both the heavenly rulers of God's people. The delegated authority and the heavenly realm. Those people themselves. And the delegated authority and the heavenly realm. Those people themselves.

And the delgated authority in the earthly realm. Correct. Specifically, this people who God has, because in the story of the Bible, all humans are to be. Yeah, yeah. Though the noun to describe them in Genesis 1 is singular, just Adam.

Adam, yeah. Humanity. Let humanity singular rule over the beast and over the land and that kind of thing. So this dream is picking up that same thing where humanity, Adam, in Genesis 1 represents, right? Yeah. On the narrative, it's a singular Adam of Genesis 1

that represents the corporate humanity. So here, the son of Adam is an embodiment of all humanity. Well, sorry, particularly of God's people. In verse 25, he says that this beast, or like, I guess it's the horn of the horn at this point, he's going to speak against the most high, oppress his holy people and change the set of times and laws. Yeah, so people there is the NIV's interpretation.

It's just the phrase holy ones. So he's gonna speak against the Most High. He's gonna press the holy ones. And at this point, that's ambiguous. We don't really know. It's both. It's like God's Delgate Authority. And the people.

And heaven and earth. Heaven and earth. Yep. But seems like it's specifically God's Delgate Authority. And the people and heaven and earth. Heaven and earth. Yep. But seems like it's specifically talking about Israel and that it's talking about the laws that God gave to Israel. Okay, so here we come to it. What on earth is this referring to?

Yeah. So there was a set of events that happened in the 160s BC before Jesus, 160 years before Jesus, hundred and six years before Jesus, where Israel had been under the thumb of Babylon, then Persia, then Greece, Alexander the Great, and then his empire overextended itself,

notice the theme. Yeah. And then his realm got divided up between these kings, multiple kings called the Diadakoye, and these petty kings were down in the south and Egypt and some north in Syria. There's a long period where they're just battling it out for who gets the most of what Alexander left behind. And then eventually the kings of Syria gain ascendancy, and one particular king called

Antichus IV, marched into Jerusalem in 167 BC. He repurposed, he bribed, he bought the high priesthood, set up new high priest, and they repurposed the temple in Jerusalem to be the temple dedicated to Zeus, they sacrificed pigs on the altar. And then he made practicing Judaism illegal in Jerusalem for three and a half years. And so this is where the books of first and second Macabees narrate this whole series of events. And then this is where the Macabeean revolt comes.

So the Macabeean revolt was an uprising against that set of events. Yep then this is where the Maca-Bean revolt comes. So the Maca-Bean revolt was an uprising against that set of events. Yep, that's right. So what's happening here is Daniel is having a dream in which the details of that series of events. But notice how we're being very symbolic. We're using Genesis 1 imagery and Daniel imagery of beasts and humans and horns. So it's as if that particular set of events was yet another manifestation of Nebuchadnezzar and Babylon. But that set of events happens hundreds of years after. After Daniel. That's why it's here. It's a dream. It's a dream that he's seeing. This But that set of events happens hundreds of years after. After Daniel. That's why it's here. It's a dream. It's a dream that he's seeing.

This is yet to happen. So to speak. So it's portrayed as yet future. There's all kinds of debates about whether it's after the event or so on. We don't have to talk about that right now, but it's interesting. All kinds of debates about whether this was written after the event. When this was written and so on. But the point is he sees that as a future vision. And it's clearly the details are mapped onto that series of events. Yeah. What was that character?

The name's Anticus IV. He's the little horn. Well, I don't want to say that because if the author of Danny wanted to say that, he would just say that. Well, yeah, but I mean, if you map on that story to the dream, that's right. That's his character. But I would reverse the direction.

I would say that story is being portrayed that sees me. Those series of events are being brought into a larger symbolic storyline. Sure. All the way back to Genesis one. Yeah, he's not the only little horn that's ever going to come. There've been many little horns. Yeah. He's just the current one. So didn't so to speak. But taking down three horns, not every little horn takes down three horns. Yeah, totally. And then there's all kinds of debate about. So did anti-access every take down three particular

coolers and some people have made a case and they think they can identify these three other people think that you can't. Okay. So lots of people try to nail this down in all the details. Yeah. To me, this is really interesting.

Yeah, it's totally a three and a half is fascinating, half of the sabbicycle. Whatever's happening, that series of events, the significant of those events, and how they fit into the pattern of human kingdoms, exalting themselves, putting themselves in the place of God, redefining good and evil, only to bring about great violence and destruction. The pattern is what Daniel's... That's what Daniel cares about. It's yet another iteration of the pattern of humans acting like animals.

You could make an argument that the book of Daniel actually is more interested in just giving context and hope for what did happen or will happen in that time period. Correct, yeah. That's one standard view is that the book of Daniel received its final shaping after that series of events. I see. And so some details were added to make it clear for that. That's right. But you're saying that more than that, this vision is not about any one specific. Yeah, historical, human rebellion,

or human corrupt leader, but about the nature of what happens to us, to humans when we give in. That's right. Yeah, if the book of Daniel was only written to address the people who survived that whole debacle, right, in Jerusalem, under Antioch,

is the fourth. And if it was just literature to keep, give people hope, that looked Daniel for Saul of this, and we're gonna be vindicated, like the Son of Man. Yeah, a Messiah will come. A Messiah will come. So what, the Maccabeean Revol happened afterwards. Yeah.

Right? And things went great for about a decade. And then they built a Jewish kingdom, a Jewish state, independent that lasted until the 60s. Last it for like a hundred years, almost. Israel gained independence, immediately became a beast unto itself. And that's the time of Israel that Jesus

was cruising around in. No, nope. Gosh, this is all. Where you said 60, you're talking about. 60s BC. Gosh, this is all. You said 60. You're talking about 60's BC. 60 years before Jesus. Oh. That's right.

That's right. So the kingdom, the Jewish kingdom, state of independent, that issued out of the Maccabeean Revolt, plus it almost 100 years. Oh, okay. But began, it just became one violent coup after another.

Okay. People buying and selling the high priesthood. Okay. Take over as assassination plots, people buying and selling the high priesthood. Takeover is assassination plots, foreign alliances. Not the Garden of Eden. It's the anti-Garden of Eden. It was definitely, the Maccabeean revolt did not result in the Son of Man being thrown about the heavens.

The Jewish state founded by the Maccabeean revolt became its own beast. Then the Romans, Pompeii marches in, and he just was able to easily scoop up this divided Jewish state. The structure of Judaism that was there, that was from the Maca-bean time. Correct, yeah. Now ruled by Rome.

That's right. And ruled by Rome and Rome appoints Herod. And then Herod is the Herod who appears in the birth stories of Jesus, killing babies. No, they're little horn. Another little horn. Well, exactly. So that's the point is the biblical books are treating huge swathes of history, many historical events.

But they want us to see in any given historical situation the same basic storyline playing itself out. Of humans being given a test, are they gonna submit to God's rule or redefine good and evil? And when they do that, they become destructive beasts. And that's the story playing out in Daniel, sitting in Babylon, that's the story playing out in Daniel sitting in Babylon.

That's the story playing out for the Jews who suffered under Antiochus. And think of how the book of Revelation works out. What's the book of Revelation? It's followers of Jesus suffering under persecution from both a Jerusalem establishment and from Rome. But what John does in the book of Revelation is appropriate all of this symbolism. So it's another set of beasts. but there's multiple beasts next time. And they're trampling and God's people are being vindicated over the beasts and given rules and kingdom. So John can take this symbolic narrative and apply it to a later persecution of the innocent under violent kingdoms.

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This is really complex. I mean, I have a hundred questions right now. Yep. I still do too. So why? If I am a follower of Jesus, and my legion says to him, and I believe that he's the truly human one

who lived for me, died for me in my sins, sins of the world, raised for me, is inviting me to participate in the birth of new creation to experience it in the hope of resurrection, right? All that. So this chapter of the Hebrew Bible was of central importance to Jesus. He used its language and imagery to describe himself, his calling, to describe why he was

forming these communities of people. So to me, that's the why. Why this chapter is important to understand as a follower of Jesus is because I somehow in here is the storyline that I'm to see myself within and a part of, and to look at the world through. And that's why I think it's worth it. The Son of Man video, to me at first, was just about how there is, let's explain the identity of Jesus. But underneath this is the entire story of God and humans, which is connected to this entire parallel story of God and the heavenly beings. God and the heavenly beings, which is all about how all of these characters

going to deal with delegated authority. Correct. That's right. So the Son of Man then not only explains and helps you understand the identity of Jesus, but helps you understand what it means to truly use the power that God wants you to have. Yeah, that's right. Correct.

And when a human comes who truly puts himself under the rule of God, and then extends that kind of divine rule out to the world, that human you discover is the embodiment or the revelation of God himself, of a divine being himself, the one who participates and shares in the very identity and rule of God. Yeah. And that one is somebody in whom both the heavenly delegated rule and the human delegated rule are united and come together. Angelic and human, so to speak. So one way to think about the storyline is that God created humans said, I want you to have this authority to rule.

But there was something about humanity that was lacking that made us unable to do it. Well, lacking. Yeah, there's just no human who ever was able to do it. That passed the test. That passed the test. What's lacking? I've got it. And so the story of Jesus, one way to think about this where Jesus is God Himself becoming human to show you,

here's how you do it. He's just had to be the truly human image of God. But in order to do it, it had to be a supercharged God human. God human. God human. Which is not what he created. Yeah, that's right. Yes.

He created just humans. But then the supercharged God human is now your brother. Yeah. And you can be one of his class. Yeah. You can have his power and authority and identity. And identity. So you can become.

Yeah. You can share in the life of become one with God. Yeah, become a language of the book of John. Which is what God wanted for humans? Yeah. That oneness in the garden. Yeah. And so insert the animal layer into all of that that when humans don't rule under God's authority, they become less than human. And so the son of man, this is a story about whether you're going to become more than human, come less than human, become less than human. And then about how God became the ideal human to rehumanize his people, rehumanize, but also... We store their humanity.

We store their humanity. And then elevate it beyond what it ever was. And elevate it beyond. Yeah, there was a sense of, we've lost our humanity, we've come like beasts. Yeah, that's right. But it's not good enough just to get us back to ground zero. Yeah, that's right.

But just, well now you're just, let's try again. Correct. Your humans. Rule the animals. That's right. And eat of the tree of life and not of the tree of knowledge You're humans. Correct. Rule the animals. That's right. And eat of the tree of life and not of the tree of knowledge, good evil. Correct.

Correct. And that superhuman status in the gospel narratives is what the disciples get a peek at when Jesus transformed on the mountain. Yeah. It's the Jesus they meet after the resurrection. Well, it's kind of the picture of the apostle Paul when he gets shipwrecked on the island and gets by the snake. Yeah, let's kind of the picture of the Apostle Paul when he gets shipwrecked on the island

and gets bit by the snake. You must get this picture of like this moment. Becoming like that. That's right, there's moments where he's on his way. But Jesus is like the fully realized. Divine human of the new creation. But then you get Paul who talks about the life I live is now just that.

It's that. It's life in me. Yeah, I'm living out that. And he says it's like light shining through the cracks of a broken clay pot. Yeah. And second Corinthians. Okay. It's on his way.

Yeah, he's on his way. So it's a process. And then for Paul, this whole, the transcendent state of a fully, not just restored, but super charged humanity is, with his Paul's word, he calls it glorification. Hmm. transcendent state of fully not just restored, but supercharged humanity. Is this Paul's word? He calls it glorification. Hmm, okay. To be glorified for humans to be glorified.

That's what that is. It's an image of God that has been supercharged to be what God called it to me. So Paul says like, I wanna know Christ, the power of his, become one with him as sufferings. Yes. And then he says somehow, attained to the resurrection of the dead become one with him as sufferings. Yes. And then he's just somehow attained to the resurrection of the dead. Yeah.

It's a sense of process. Like he's going to get there. Yep. Because the resurrection for Jesus was that culminating moment of, I'm more than human. Correct. But the way there is through the cross. But the way there is through the cross.

It's through the people of the saints of the Holy, most I being trampled by the beast. Yeah. It's allowing yourself to die to the animal kingdom and to let the real human, supercharged human you, that God wants you to be, to rise from the ashes of your old humanity. But for Jesus, that was literal. For Jesus, that was literal. A literal death. Jesus, for Jesus that, it was, yeah, totally.

And unless you and I are alive when God's kingdom comes on earth as in heaven, we too will. We'll literally die. Yeah, we'll have to go through the veil. And it will be through our death that we are glorified. I mean, there it is. Now we're fully into New Testament theology territory,

but this is how our fate and story is tied to the Son of Man. And of course, it's the Son of Humanity. So Jesus is the Son of Man, but he is the Son of Man so that we can all be participants in his journey. Yeah. To the resurrection and new creation. So the son of man is also us. Those who attach themselves to the true son of man, so to speak.

I think that's how we're to see all this imagery. We also us by extension of being united with Jesus. Jesus. Jesus. So, we're almost, we're almost a territory that we can't do in this video. There's other videos to come, whether it's eternal life or new creation or the resurrection. But I think with a son of man, we have this opportunity about the humans, made to be more delegated rule. They become animals, act like animals, kingdoms, beasts, trampling.

God keeps singling out special people. And then they become animals. The trample more other humans. And so Daniel is sitting here in the belly of the beast. He's been thrown into a pit of beasts. In a kingdom ruled by a human beast. And he has a dream of one day, the beast being destroyed and humanity truly becoming what it's meant to be. So who is that? Who does that dream refer to? Jesus, in Nazareth, walks onto the scene. And in the

gospel of Mark, we're told he is thrust out by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tested by the evil one, and the Gospel of Mark says, and he was with the wild beasts there, while angels served him. Oh, it's Daniel 7. It's the book, it's Daniel. It's Daniel in the lion's den. And it's Daniel being vindicated with the sun, right? Who's there with the friends and the furnace? Right? It's Nanjelic.

Well, but who was attending to Yahweh? And there was all these angels too? Yeah, correct. Yeah, it's right. So, right from the bat in the Gospel of Mark, Jesus is the truly human one, at peace with the beasts and the one whom the angel serve. Then the gospels were portrayed Jesus as a human who's walking up into other humans who

are human animals and restoring their humanity. Then he overcomes the beast, the kingdoms, by letting them crush him so that they die and he rises to rule over them so that others can become truly human. I think that's the video. All right, awesome. I'm going to get back to Jesus and then talk about some New Testament stuff. Thanks for listening to this episode of the Bible Project Podcast. We have a couple more episodes left in this series on the set of man. And then we'll do an episode we call them question and response episodes, not question and answer because we don't always have the answers, but

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