BibleProject - The Worst, Best Place to Be in the Bible

Episode Date: September 1, 2025

The Wilderness E1 — This year, we are looking at themes that play a prominent role in the Exodus story. And today, we’re starting a new series on the theme of the wilderness. The wilderness is a setting that shows up constantly in the Bible, and it mainly represents a hostile, barren place where humans can’t survive. So why does God repeatedly lead his people through it? In this episode, Jon and Tim introduce the theme and discuss how the biblical authors portray the wilderness as a place of testing, character formation, and even an Eden-like refuge.CHAPTERSThe Breadth and Meaning of the Wilderness in the Bible (0:00-12:30)A Place Hostile for Human Life (12:30-30:35)A Place of Testing and Refuge (30:35-47:09)OFFICIAL EPISODE TRANSCRIPTView this episode’s official transcript.REFERENCED RESOURCESTim alludes to this past episode about the function of settings in the Bible: Setting in Biblical Narrative from our How to Read the Bible series.Check out Tim’s extensive collection of recommended books here.You can view annotations for this episode—plus our entire library of videos, podcasts, articles, and classes—in the BibleProject app, available for Android and iOS.SHOW MUSIC“Pearly Gates ft. Isaac Wheadon” by Lofi Sunday“Sunrise ft. Jk Beatbook” by Lofi SundayBibleProject theme song by TENTSSHOW CREDITSProduction of today’s episode is by Lindsey Ponder, producer, and Cooper Peltz, managing producer. Tyler Bailey is our supervising engineer, who also edited today’s episode and provided the sound design and mix. JB Witty does our show notes, and Hannah Woo provides the annotations for our app. Our host and creative director is Jon Collins, and our lead scholar is Tim Mackie. Powered and distributed by Simplecast.

Welcome to a new study here on the podcast. In these next weeks, we're going to be tracing the theme of the wilderness through the story of the Bible. Wilderness, as we're going to see, its primary meaning is about the absence of life. It's a dangerous and hostile place. It's where humans don't live and can't really make an existence. Because both the environment, there's no water. and there's creatures out there that'll kill you.

Famously, Israel wanders through the wilderness for 40 years. But pay attention, and you'll notice that almost all the key characters in the Bible go through the wilderness. Wilderness moments don't appear on every page, but they appear that key moments in the stories of Abraham, Jacob, Moses, the story of Israel, very importantly in the story of David. In fact, we're going to find that the wilderness is the setting from which the entire story of the Bible begins. The seven-day creation narrative and the Eden narrative both begin with a wilderness state. By the time you get to the New Testament, the importance of the wilderness as a biblical theme is fully baked. And it's taken for granted. So we see Jesus baptized in the wilderness. He's tempted in the wilderness. And he feeds crowds in the wilderness. And then in the letters of the apostles,

the author to the Hebrews and Paul both describe the present moment of followers of Jesus as being a time of following the divine presence that is Jesus through the wilderness. What we learn from all of these stories in the Bible is that while God didn't design humanity for the wilderness, he will meet us there and he can transform the wilderness. What they get in the wilderness is Eden. The wilderness becomes like a little oasis refuge in the land of death. Today, Tim Mackey and I begin a new theme study on the wilderness. Thanks for joining us.

Here we go. Hey, Tim. John Collins. Hello. We're starting a new project today. Yes. New theme study. New project within the project.

We're doing themes inspired by the scroll of Exodus. Yes. We've done a handful so far. Yeah. We did the new Exodus, which is kind of on the nose. Yeah. Or an Exodus-inspired theme.

Yeah, the core Exodus motif that actually begins in Genesis has an important statement of it in Exodus and then gets replayed in creative ways over and over again. We did a theme study on the concept of redemption, the transfer of ownership, back to God, from slavery. And that takes root in the story of Exodus, Israel being freed from slavery. Yeah. So now we're going to do the wilderness. Yeah, we're going to focus on the wilderness, into the wilderness. So we're done a handful of these videos that are like ideas that are events or actions that go throughout the Bible, redemption, you know, is one of them. We've done theme videos that are on key moments of time, like the seventh day.

Yeah. We've done theme videos on people or figures, so the Messiah. or the royal priest. Whereas this is a theme video tracing a place. A setting. Yes. We've done heaven and earth. Okay, those are the big settings.

The macro settings. Yeah, that's right. Our first theme video is having an earth. Trying to think back here. We've done the temple. We've done the temple. That's a location. We did the water of life, which is not a place,

but it's like a stream that came out of Eden. Totally. Yes, the river, yep, that comes out of Eden. and, man, going all the way back to our How to Read the Bible series, places and biblical stories are always full of meaning. Biblical authors don't have to tell us where events take place, and they often don't. They'll just give you the most vague or general setting. So when they do give you information about where an event is taken place, especially in the first stretch of narrative from Genesis all the way to Second Kings, There's an accumulating narrative memory of where events take place.

And whenever you revisit a certain town or city, again, in a later story, nine times out of ten, it's building off of the memories from the earlier stories. I think that's why Water of Life came to mind, because when we went through that, you showed all the stories that take place at, like, wells. Yeah, that's right. Or in the tree of life, all the stories that take place by... Important trees. Ah, mountain. And in the Mountain series, all the stories that take place on the mountain. That's right.

So the wilderness is like those. Okay. There are key moments that take place in the wilderness, specifically in the first two narratives of Genesis. The Seven Day Creation Narrative and the Eden narrative both begin with a wilderness state, echoed by its vocabulary. And then key wilderness moments don't appear on every page, But they appear at key moments in the stories of Abraham, the story of Jacob, the story of Moses, the story of Israel, in the story sporadically through Joshua and judges, but then very importantly in the story of David, and then again in the story of Elijah, and then again near the ending of the story of Jerusalem's destruction and the exile to Babylon.

So that's just the Torah and prophets. Then when you get into the form of prophets, Isaiah through Malachi, they just work the wilderness theme. They're constantly hyper leaking back to all the wilderness moments in the Torah and prophets. So when you get to the story of Jesus in the New Testament, John the baptizer. Yeah, he's from the wilderness. He's out in the, he makes his basic operations. Yeah, out in the wilderness. That's where Jesus gets baptized.

Okay. And then that's where he goes to be tested. Yes, super important. I mean, that's an absolutely pivotal moment in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, their account of Jesus. It's something that happens to him in the wilderness. Over a period of 40, like his ancestors, wandered in the wilderness for 40 years after the Exodus. Jesus fed the crowds in a wilderness place. It's specifically called a wilderness spot. Yep, with the same biblical vocabulary.

And then in the letters of the apostles, the author to the Hebrews and Paul both describe the present moment of followers of Jesus as being a time following the divine presence that is Jesus through the wilderness. One way to imagine the present moment of following Jesus Messiah is our deliverance from slavery is in the past. that happened in through the work of Jesus Messiah. And our full inheritance of the cosmic new creation is yet future in its full realization. But the present moment is one of wilderness where we get tastes of Eden, little Eden oasis as we journey in the wilderness. So what's cool is the meaning of the wilderness, what it means, and the types of things that happen in the wilderness, when you get to the New Testament, All that is already baked, like it's fully baked from the Hebrew scriptures. So when John the baptizer chooses the wilderness to go do his thing that's just loaded with all these layers of meaning

that don't need to be explained by the gospel authors, when Jesus has his testing in the wilderness, when he feeds Israel in the wilderness, all that's layered with meaning. And then what Hebrews and Paul are doing is very similar. And then, for me, it's always significant to see, for a biblical theme, does it go from cover to cover, does it get picked up in the Revelation? And the wilderness features in specifically two really important moments in the last book of the Christian Bible, the Revelation. There's that bizarre, intense vision with a dragon who's trying to eat and consume a baby boy who's being born from this woman, crowned with the stars. And the baby boy, who's called, you know, her seed, it's an image of the seed, the snake crusher,

seed of the woman from Genesis 315, right when the snake's about to devour, the woman and her child... The dragon? Yeah, the dragon. Yes, sorry. No, yeah, but the dragon is a snake. The woman and the child are whisked away into the wilderness.

Okay. And it becomes like a safe refuge. It's really interesting. Okay. And then the last time wilderness appears is where, there's this prostitute riding a big red monster

and she's drinking the blood revelation man and she's Babylon and she's riding the beast around in the wilderness and that's where Babylon falls and collapses

is in the wilderness so truly it's a cover to cover the theme rich development throughout, and these are just highlights. Lots of events happen in the wilderness. So one interesting thing in biblical studies on the wilderness is there are times when the wilderness seems to have what feel like contradictory meanings. And it makes you wonder, is this a good place to be or is this the worst place possible

to be? Okay. That's a very real thing. I was feeling that a little bit with those two revelation comments. Oh, yeah. Great. Actually, that's a perfect example. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, it's a place of refuge. Oh, and it's where Babylon falls. Exactly. It's like, what makes the wilderness the worst place you want to avoid at all costs? And then what makes it one of the best worst things that ever happened to you? Okay. So maybe that's a question going in.

Many people feel that tension, and you can see that reflected in biblical scholarship that works on wilderness texts in the Bible. I want to just paint the portrait of the many meanings of wilderness in the Bible. so wilderness as we're going to see its primary meaning is about the absence of life it's the opposite of goodness and life and abundance and flourishing the primary image for that is garden and lots of water yeah whereas the wilderness is a primary symbol or image for a decline from goodness back into decay and nothingness maybe we might say entropy or something like that. But those are the bigger ideas that the biblical authors are wrestling with. Yeah. So let's take this in a few steps.

One, this will maybe be less helpful for the listening audience, but I want to show you, John, a map. Oh, okay. And we'll try and describe it in a helpful way for those of you listening. Okay. Because the actual geography of the land where the biblical authors live is important to see, or at least see in your mind to get a sense of why they use the word.

that they do. So we'll look at a map. We'll do some vocabulary introduction. And then we'll just do a quick survey of the many meanings of wilderness in the Bible that I think will set up some puzzles or questions for us that we'll just explore and unpacking the episodes to follow. The best, worst place that you could be? It depends. Depends. So into the wilderness. Right. So I'm just pulling up Google Earth satellite imagery. All right.

We're looking at the eastern end of the Medtrain Sea. Yep, eastern end of the Mediterranean Sea. So we can see the top of North Africa that is Egypt. We can see the bottom half of Turkey. And then on the eastern Mediterranean coast, that is Israel, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, all that. This goes up the coast of Turkey. Jordan, Iraq. Now you're heading east.

Yep. Into what's very brown. Yeah, that's right. Iraq. until you get over to the Euphrates and Tigris River that come down from the north and then spill back into... What's the sea there?

The Persian Gulf. Persian Gulf? Yeah. So on this map, what you'll notice is Egypt is entirely brown and tan except for a strip of green that fans out once it goes north into the Mediterranean Sea.

Yeah, the strip of green follows the Nile. That's the Nile River. And then when that delta's out, into the Mediterranean is just a whole bunch of lush land. You got it. Yep. So that's where the Egyptians were enslaving the Israelites.

In the Delta? Yeah, in the Delta. Well, yeah, it's somewhere in there. Somewhere in there. Then the Sinai Peninsula is just entirely brown. Yeah. It's a desert. It's a brown triangle.

And then that opens up basically into the northern tip of Saudi Arabia in the Saudi Arabian desert. And it's just, dude, it's just a lot of rock and sand. A lot of brown. Yeah. But you go follow the coastline up from Egypt to Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa, up to then Beirut, on up into Lebanon and then Turkey.

What you'll see is that along the coast, there's these strips of green. And those strips of green is the hill country that rises up real sharply up from the coast. and then in Israel in particular you'll see the Sea of Galilee it's a little blue dot with some green and then a little tiny ribbon the tiniest ribbon of green that is the Jordan River

going down into the Dead Sea but the Dead Sea man is just a big surrounded by it yeah yeah totally and then you follow the green up north And then it meets eventually the region where the tigris and they follow go northeast to the Euphrates. And those are two ribbons of green that flow through what is today, Syria, and Iraq. And then those become a delta region that goes down into the Persian Gulf.

That's where Babylon and Nineveh were. Okay, so it seems like what you're saying here is it's a very dry area predominantly. Predominantly dry. But along the rivers, and especially in the deltas of the rivers, and that's in the Nile and in the Euphrates and Tigris, there's a lot of green. And then there's a strip of green up the eastern coast of the Mediterranean, all the way down from below Jerusalem, all the way up to what we would call modern-day Turkey and up and around. But that whole strip is hillside. That's right. That is very lush and green.

There's no particular river that's making that green. It's just because of the hills. It's the elevation of the hills and the weather coming in from the Mediterranean Sea. The weather coming in from the sea. Drops seasonal rains on the hill country. Okay. So the green is garden. The green is garden.

The brown is wilderness. Yeah. And from the biblical author's perspective, who inhabited this basic area in and around Jerusalem and the hills of Judea and Israel, it's just a little oasis of green hills. Desert to the south, desert to the east, desert to the northeast, and then a huge sea on the west. Yeah.

So within visibility, it's like desert on all sides and then the sea on the other side. Desert and sea are the two areas where we can't go. Yeah. I mean, you can go there, but you probably won't last very long. that I would really, like, form your view of reality. You wouldn't have a map like this to look at. No, but if you just headed in any direction...

From Jerusalem, for example. You're going to get into wilderness or you're going to hit the chaotic sea. Yeah, quickly. Quickly. And if you head south, you're not going to hit Egypt until you go through a bunch of wilderness. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Between Jerusalem and Babylon, you know, as the crow flies, it is many hundreds of miles.

and it's through a desert wilderness where there's just a lot of rock and sand and really sparse vegetation. Yeah, if you just drew a straight line, it's 560 miles. There you go. Give or take. And that's through the desert.

No one could do that. You just couldn't do it. No. Physically couldn't do it. 500 miles, like there's... Through the wilderness. Virtually no water out there, you know? Yeah.

I mean, humans can't do it. Impossible. Now, if you head north, you can follow a stretch of green all the way up to Euphrates. Yep, that's right. So that's the highway, right? This was the highway for commerce, for the ancient economy, also for ancient armies. So the main way was to go north from ancient Israel way up. So you're doing about 1,000 miles going up and around.

There you go. It's about two times the length because you've got to go up to the river. region and then follow the highways that that trace the euphrates there's no way through the wilderness you can't make it through the wilderness no it's and you can see it you can literally walk a few miles up over the hills from jerusalem and you can just look east and i bet many people took trips to how far could i go right yeah and you never find the end of it yeah that's right yeah Yeah. So that would affect your view of reality. So we can get a sense for how these regions felt to the biblical authors by looking at their vocabulary.

So the main word that the biblical authors used to describe that desert to the south and to the east is the Hebrew word midbar. That's the Hebrew word for wilderness. Yep, wilderness. Wilderness or desert. It's used over 250 times in the Hebrew word. Bible. There's disagreement about the etymology of the word. What's interesting is that Midbar, the three root letters of the word, are D-B-R, Dalit, Beit, Eresh, which is the same root letters as the Hebrew word for word or thing. And very often, if you want to put the preposition away from,

out from something you would put an M on the front and so away from a thing okay that's a possible etymology well it's what biblical scholars call a folk etymology away from a thing away from a word out into exile you got it so midbar here's just some examples Moses describes the region that Israel

crossed when they went out of Egypt which we called the Sinai Peninsula He calls that the great and terrible midbar With fiery serpents and scorpions and thirsty ground where there is no water Yeah All right, the great and terrible midbar It's not a good place. Not a kind place.

For humans that want to stay alive. Yeah. Yeah. Because both the environment, there's no water And there's creatures out there that'll kill you. At least make your life really painful. in the speeches that God gives to Job, when God shows up in the whirlwind at the end of the book of Job, and God's describing how he architected all of creation.

And he asked, who cut open a channel for the rainstorms, the torrents of the rainstorms, and who carved a path for thunderbolts? They bring rain on the land where no one lives, the mid-storms. bar where no human can live and he satisfies the desert and the wasteland and causes the ground to spring up with grass so who did that who architected that whole system there yeah job but notice here again the presence or absence of water is a key factor but specifically the definition of midbar is where no humans live yeah because you can't live out there and just hope for the brain to come Eventually, you'll die.

Yeah, the poet of Psalm 55, who wants to run away from all of their troubles and all their enemies, says, oh, that I had wings like a dove, that I could fly away and find rest. Oh, that I could flee far away. I would even go dwell in the midbar. Hmm. Because I have wings and I can get there and chill out and then come back. Yeah, totally. But you can see in the imagination,

Midbar is the furthest possible from any people who could cause me trouble. Okay. Away from people. So he's not thinking about water right here. Yeah, you're right, because a bird can go to and from the wilderness in a way that humans can't. Yeah, it's like, I can't live out there,

but if I could just fly out there right now and just get away from these people, how nice would that be? Yeah, so it's great and terrible with dangerous creatures and a hostile environment, for human life. It's a place that's uninhabited

by humans, and humans can't cultivate it, and it's the furthest possible place that you can imagine is to go out to the midbar. That's midbar. Great and terrible. That's one meaning of midbar. However, if you think about it

and think about our map, the midbar came right up to the eastern side of the hill country, where Jerusalem and Judea and northern Israel, is, which means that you could take a little day trip or a little multi-day trip over the hills down east and go down into the midbar. And if you find some water sources, right, or streams or seasonal streams, you could stick

out a little town there, right on the edge of the midbar. Okay. And so midbar can also refer to that edge region where the habitable land transitions. There's always a little transitional zone. Right. And so Midbar can also refer to that. It's primarily associated with pasture land for animal grazing. Seasonal pasture land.

Yeah. So famously, when Moses and Exodus 3 encounters God in the burning bush, he's at the back of the midbar. The back of the midbar. Yeah. He's down in Midian. Can you show me that on the map? Mm-hmm. So he's somewhere in this region in here.

It's called Ooz on this map, but Midian. Okay. So he's fall. He went far. He went across the Sinai. He went across the Sinai. Mm-hmm. Peninsula.

Yeah. Yeah. He's really out there. Yeah. But he's out there with animals, which means that he, you know, could go on a two-week pasture trip. Mm-hmm. Where he's just out there with his animals just cycling through the hills. So the mid-bar is a place multiple times where people graze animals, which means they're at least in proximity to a town that's in the transition zone.

Okay. So Midbar can refer to the transition zone, too. Okay. David, famously, when he tells Saul about how he was protecting his flock from bears and lions, he said he had to do that in the midbar. It's in the midbar. Okay. Another word that can also be associated with that transition zone is the Hebrew word sadet,

which just means field. Hmm. And even, I think field works this way in English, where field can be. refer to land that was uncultivated, like right on the edge of civilization, but build a little log home, thinking American colonial period, and then you cultivate that field. Cultivate that field.

Like a wild field. Yeah, a wild field. So the sadeh, the field, can refer to uncultivated land in that transition region where humans can just reach to and then stake out a spot. So Issa, when Isaac sends Issaa to go hunting to make the tasty wild game, he says, go out into the sadeh and hunt for me. And in many places, the sadeh is in parallelism to the midbar. Other words that occur a little less often, but are still synonyms.

One is the Aravah, which is the desert plains, kind of like a high desert. It gets seasonal rains, but it's kind of a transition into the... real desert in the south so that's called the arava okay then you've got the word kharave which just means literally to become dry to dry out so the dry land so aurava occurs about 60 times kharav curbs a little over 40 times the Hebrew Bible then there's a really uncommon word it's 13 times throughout the Hebrew Bible yeshimon okay the root word comes from shamam which just means to be empty uninhabited so There's some examples that work them together.

Jerusalem, after it's destroyed by Babylon, is described in Jeremiah 33 as a jahreve, a dried-out place, without human and without animals. And the cities of Judah and streets of Jerusalem are shamim, empty, desolate. So it's translated in the New American standard as waste and desolate, but dry and empty. the last one is the word sia which also means a dried out land but here we're talking about like you know how dirt cracks open when it gets real dry it's like that kind of situation yeah

yeah what would we call that hmm parched land there's a passage in jeremiah where he refers to the land that the israelites went through on their journey from egypt to the promised land he describes it in Jeremiah too. He says, Yahweh is the one who brought us up from the land of Egypt, the one who led us in the midbar, in the land of the Aravah. The Midbar is just describing it as uncultivated. Then he calls it the Aravah and then in the land of the Tsyah, of dryness. Then it says it's full of gorges or deep ravines, so hills with deep ravines, a land of dryness and then of deep darkness. Which, he's getting a little cosmic there.

A land that no one passes through and where no human lives. That's the midbar. Okay. So it can be hilly. It's not just flat. You're going to find animals. Yes.

You're going to find brush. In fact, you'll find a common cast of animals. Here's just from two places in Isaiah, Isaiah 13 and 34. When Babylon and Edom have experienced their downfall, and those cities become wilderness. wilderness creatures will take up residence in the cities. It's like dystopian, apocalyptic kind of scenery.

So you've got owls. These are the desert creatures. These are desert creatures. Owls, ostriches, shaggy goats, hyenas and jackals, pelicans. I think of the coast. Yeah. But pelicans, hedgehogs, and ravens. These are a desert animals.

And then snakes. Oh, of course, snakes and scorpions. Scorpions. Yeah, that's right. Two scorpions. So all of that, this is the base meaning. That's what Midbar is. Okay, that region.

Those regions. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, totally. So the basic meaning, it's a dangerous and hostile place towards human life. It's where humans don't live and can't really make an existence because of hostile creatures and lack of resources. However, it can't. sometimes refer to the transition regions between cultivated and habitable land on the

edges. And that's the base meaning of wilderness in the Bible. Okay. The second meaning of wilderness is it's a place where when people go there, they experience hardship that creates a test of their character and purifies or refines their character and their relationship

with God. So you could just say it's a place of testing and purification. It's kind of its literary meaning. It's its literary meaning. In other words, when characters in the Bible go into the wilderness

more often than not, they encounter death and they encounter God and somehow at the precipice of death encountering God forces them to make some decisions and those decisions have a shaping formed of influence on their character

and this is where the Exodus scroll really comes in to its own because Israel's journey in the wilderness after they leave Egypt starting in Exodus 15 is described as both encounters with near death because of lack of water and these are called by God and by Moses, tests of trust in God.

And it should have taken, what, a couple weeks to get through. Yeah. But God has... 11 days, Moses says. Okay. Should take it 11 days. I've done it. Moses says,

I was on the backside of this wilderness. Yeah. And they were in for 40 years. 40 years. Yeah. So the testing narratives in the wilderness in Exodus, these are in Exodus 15, 16, 17. And then there's seven wilderness testing narratives.

in Numbers, chapters 11 through 21, these are primary stories. And the rest of the biblical authors just constantly riff on quote from callback to hyperlinked to these stories. So the first story is in Exodus 15. In verse 22, they go out from the Sea of Reeds into the midbar of Shur, which is a station in between Israel and Egypt. And they went three days into the midbar, and they could not find water. So they grumble and God provides water. This is also then on the other side of Mount Sinai in the scroll of numbers.

Oh, remember the scroll of numbers in the Jewish tradition? Oh, yeah. It's called in the wilderness. Baidbar. In the wilderness. I think that's why this word was sounding very familiar to me. Yeah, that's right. Yep, in the wilderness.

Because the whole book takes place in the wilderness on the transition from Mount Sinai to the promised land. And that's where Moses sends the spot. 12 spies into check the land and then they come back and they're like well it's a lot of fruit but giant fruit and giant humans giant humans and so they rebel against Moses say they want to go back to Egypt the people want to go back to Egypt and it doesn't go well so God assigns that generation to wander in the wilderness for 40 years and they die and that wandering is associated with that testing of their character, and God forming a whole generation to learn how to trust him. Manna, providing manna and water in the wilderness.

So this is the main meaning of wilderness. It gets brought up in the prophets. Amos, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, all talk about this wandering in the wilderness period as a period of formation. Of testing and purification. Yep. The Psalms constantly call back to it. In fact, in one important place, Psalm 78,

which is a psalm that's all about teaching the future generations to learn how to meditate on the story of our ancestors. It opens up. It's a poem connected with the Levite singer-songwriter named Asaf. And the poem begins by saying, hey, listen to my Torah. I have some Torah instruction to offer. I'm going to open my mouth with parables. That's an interesting introduction.

But then he goes on to basically retell the story from the Exodus up to the time of David. That's the whole poem. And he says, the purpose is so that the generation to come and the generation yet to be born will rise up and tell their children that they should trust in God and not forget his works and keep his commandments. And not to be like their ancestors who were stubborn and rebel. yes and then one of the main sections of the poem explores and retells how often they written this in verse 40 how often they rebelled against him in the midbar and they vexed him vexed him they vexed god in the wasteland yeah so wasteland's what word there

that's the yeshimon the empty place the desolate place okay and there again and again they tested god god tested them they tested god so wilderness especially associated with 40 the number 40 and tests of trust but it's because the wilderness is a hostile place with no resources yeah it raises the stakes it raises the stakes and puts you in a situation of trust a crisis of trust so the feeling of the environment matches this meaning of the wilderness pretty naturally if you go out into the waste place you're going to have to have access to some resources beyond yourself yeah Which leads, then, this is really the flip side,

because if you fail to trust, it doesn't go well for the wilderness generation. They die out there. They die out there. However, there's this whole other set of characters and stories who, when they go into the wilderness, they face a crisis of life and death, and they meet God and they trust him. And then what they get in the wilderness is Eden. And this is all built off of the planting of Eden.

story, which we'll look at in the next conversation. But Eden begins as a wilderness with wilderness vocabulary. And God plants the garden as a little Eden oasis in the midst of a wilderness. And so there are stories connected to Hagar or with Moses that we're going to and look at. And there, when they meet God in the midbar, and God hears them, comes to meet them, and they trust him, the wilderness becomes a refuge. It becomes a refuge. It becomes a like a little oasis refuge in the land of death. The primary meaning is still negative. So this is less about the wilderness.

It's more about if you're with God and God is with you in the wilderness, you can hang out there. So Hegar, Moses, Israel, in moments when God provides for them, like manna or water, we're going to look at a whole season of David's life where he was fleeing and hiding from king saul hiding in caves and mountains and that's all in the wilderness and this is one of the most important periods of david's life where he really forges his close relationship with yahweh and what's really cool is that that season of david's life you know how there's certain psalms attached to david there's 73 of the 150 psalms in the hebrew bible have a note that says of

David, connected to David. And then there's about a dozen that have little descriptors, like a poem that he sang when this happened or that happened. And most of those little notes are connected to really the most terrible moments in his life, either when he had to run from Saul in the wilderness. So there's a bunch of poems connected to his wilderness season after he made a huge mistake is to put it lightly, Uriah and Bashiba, and then when he had to flee for his life again into the wilderness when his son pulled a military coup.

But those two wilderness wanderings are highlighted in the Psalms. And actually this is a great place to kind of land the plane here. So David's experience of the wilderness, however, is both like on the knife edge of life and death. This is the valley of the shadow of death. place. Totally, yes. So just a couple quick references. Psalm 63 begins a Psalm of David

when he was in the mid-bar of Judah. And it's just, you can see why the poems apropos. Oh, God, you are my God. I will seek you diligently. My soul thirsts for, my nephish, my being thirsts for you.

My flesh longs for you in a dry and weary land that has no water. water. But I have seen you in the holy place. I have beheld your strength and your glory. Your loyal love is better than life. So my lips will praise you. I'll bless you as long as I live. My soul, my nefesh, will be satisfied as with the best and most rich food. So he's in the wilderness, but he's had encounters in the past with God's presence. He's likely hungry and thirsty and tired in the wilderness.

But he's hungry and thirsty. And somehow that longing for food and drink becomes for him a way of experiencing his longing for intimacy with God. And this season of his life is where he began to forge those ties of close connection. Isn't that interesting? Yeah. Yeah. So those are our three meanings. Okay.

So the literal meaning, which has attached to a kind of a metaphysical meaning, which is just the uninhabited, dry place. And dangerous. And dangerous. Yeah. Not just dry. The dryness is dangerous on two fronts. The lack of water, meaning you die. And then the dangerous creatures.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And then it becomes, when employed in the story of the Bible, especially, in stories in the Bible. It's a place where people are tested. You come to the end of yourself pretty quick in the wilderness. Everything that you got from the Greenland eventually runs out. Yeah. And you don't have that anymore. Yeah. And so it requires you to make some pretty big decisions on who are you going to trust, how are you going to respond in need, what do you long for? And that brings us to the third

meaning which is you're saying that there is a whole stream of stories where people are in the wilderness and kind of essentially passing the test or at least meeting God out there in a way that they're at that knife edge of life and death and they find life and that's where they encounter God in a way that strips them of every resource they have of their own and then forces them to, yeah, leap out and trust. Help me understand the difference between those two then, the test and the place where you meet, encounter God, and encounter life. Oh, you're right.

They're actually connected. Yeah. So maybe there's two main meanings, and there's two A and two B. Yeah, I guess so. So one is what you describe, the feeling and reality of the wilderness. And then the other is the human experience of the wilderness where your trust is tested. And that either goes poorly or it goes well Based on who you trust

You can encounter life or death Yeah And I guess when life shows up in the desert It becomes so much more Wonderful and miraculous Yes, the oasis Yeah Yeah, yeah

And the desert never seems like The place where you're supposed to settle It's you're going through the desert It's a transition It's a transition into a new fit It's a transformational experience So there's a lot of deep echoes here of something that's really built into the human psyche about how hardship, suffering, and lack can actually provide a refining or transformative character.

The journey motif going on a long journey and you emerge out the other side changed. So we're tapping into a pretty universal human experience of hardship as a season of, developing your character, but the biblical authors have a real specific geography that they use to work those themes. Yeah. Okay. So that's the basic set of ideas. And what we're going to look at is just cycles of stories that play out these themes,

and I've picked stories in moments that the biblical authors have connected through intentional hyperlinking. But we have to start in the beginning. And we've kind of been in this territory before, but the seven-day creation narrative and the Eden narrative both use important desert vocabulary right at the beginning. And then the meaning of those words and what happens to the desert in these two creation stories is foundational for understanding how the rest of this imagery works and the rest of biblical story. So as always, we'll have an episode on the creation narratives before we move on. into the biblical story. Okay, to Genesis 1 and 2.

Thanks for listening to this episode of Bible Project podcast. Next week, we're going to turn to Genesis 1 and 2 and see how God creates out of the chaos and nothingness, which the Bible presents as a wilderness. Eden itself is a little oasis surrounded by nothingness, and if I want to avoid returning back into the nothingness, I need to stay here connected to a life that is outside my own, an infinite source of life.

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