BibleProject - There Isn’t a Law For That – Numbers E3
Episode Date: August 15, 2022How do God’s people follow his will in situations where there are no explicit rules or laws given? At the conclusion of the third movement of Numbers, the Israelites don’t know how God wants them ...to respond to a situation. Join Tim and Jon as they explore Numbers 6-9 and how followers of Jesus today can learn to understand the will of God.View full show notes from this episode →Timestamps Part one (00:00-19:22)Part two (19:22-32:42)Part three (32:42-45:40)Part four (45:40-01:06:50)Referenced ResourcesInterested in more? Check out Tim’s library here.You can experience the literary themes and movements we’re tracing on the podcast in the BibleProject app, available for Android and iOS.Show Music “Defender (Instrumental)” by TENTS"Evening Flight" by Sam Stewart"I Ain't Got an Answer" by Propaganda"Butterfly" by Sleepy FishShow produced by Cooper Peltz. Edited by Dan Gummel, Tyler Bailey, and Frank Garza. Show notes by Lindsey Ponder. Podcast annotations for the BibleProject app by MacKenzie Buxman.Powered and distributed by Simplecast.
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Here's the episode.
The narrator of numbers uses language carefully.
From word choice to narrative details, what we find are intentional comparisons between
Israel's camp in the middle of the wilderness and the garden of Eden in the middle of a wild and
waste land. We're being let on to what Yahweh is doing, making Israel the next place where God
and humanity can dwell together. We see that as he sets up Israel's camp and puts Levites in the place of priests,
and we see this theme play out again as God prepares Israel to go through the wilderness to the promised land.
So the first cycle, and one through six, was about establishing the camp as a new Eden.
This cycle is going to establish the new Eden to get ready to go.
As Israel gets ready to leave, we find some more laws,
laws about how the Tabernacle will be set up,
how the priests will act, and some more rules
around celebrating Passover.
And then we get an interesting little story
where some people realize that the rules for Passover
are not complete, and so they come to Moses,
and they ask for some clarification.
What if I'm richly impure during the feast of Passover?
Can't skip it, but I also can't join it.
What do I do?
Moses agrees, this is a conundrum.
And so he goes to Yahweh and gets an update to the law.
Why are we getting a story here about Moses updating the law?
It's trying to shape God's people and to people who assume that there's always more to learn,
that I can always gain more wisdom and insight to navigate life's complexities,
and that I have to keep returning to the Torah to discover greater insight,
so that I can go live my life and trust that I'm living by God's will.
No list of laws will be complete enough to navigate all of life's complexities.
Yet Israel is now moving into the wilderness. They are setting out to find the promised land
where they can live and be a kingdom of priests to bless all of the nations.
This people have been redeemed. They've become the hosts of the presence of their liberating God
And now they have begun to reflect God's own orderliness and beauty and justice and abundance in life as they go into the desert
I'm John Collins. This is Bible Project podcast today Tim Mackey and I follow Israel into the wilderness and imagine them like a garden in the desert
The story just lets us pause for a minute and picture what things could be like in our own lives
communities. Thanks for joining us. Here we go.
Tim, hello. Hello. Another conversation about the Torah. Yes. Yes. In parts of the Hebrew Bible, I would never read.
And we typically don't open up. Yeah. Yeah, it's, yeah, it's been awesome. We have been in this
little subset of the series on the Torah. We are in the fourth scroll called Numbers in the Greek
and English tradition called Bommidbar in Hebrew tradition,
which means in the wilderness.
Yes, because that's where we are at in the story.
Is real is in the wilderness.
They've been selected by God, brought out of slavery and oppression, liberated, and
then given the special status as gods,
yeah, ruling partners.
Yeah, the whole nation, when God brought them through the wilderness
to the footamount Sinai to make a covenant with them and said,
Hey, if y'all adhered to this covenant,
you will become a kingdom of priests.
So a whole nation that altogether is a priest that mediates
God's character to the nations,
but that also lives in proximity to the very presence of God.
And so that also means that you'll be a holy nation, that is a nation that's set apart
for Yahweh's purpose in the world and therefore unlike other nations in important ways.
So they've been camped at the foot of Mount Sinai,
and here at the beginning of the Bamed Bar scroll, God is preparing the people to set out so that
they can become a mobile garden of Eden with his presence at the center, circled by new Adam and
Eve's, new royal priests, the Levites, and priests that are surrounding them in their camps,
and then surrounded by a fruitful and multiplying humanity, the twelve tribes around them in a circle.
We've been talking about these early chapters of numbers, which is about exploring through
Hebrew Bible and meditation and literature style, how this camp in the wilderness is like a new iteration of the Garden of Eden.
A new iteration of humanity. And a new calling for humanity. It's a partner with God to go bring
blessing to the world. And a reflection on the fact that every time this has happened,
there has been violence and rivalry and goes wrong and say,
goes wrong.
Yeah.
And that God has to then purify the land,
wash the land clean, deal with human evil.
Yeah.
And in doing that, still says, I'm going to keep working with
humans, selects humans out.
Yeah.
And then there's a new creation of sorts.
Yeah, that's right.
And so we went through that cycle looking at these four, what seemed obscure laws about
ritual impurity and not the peace offering, but the guilt offering.
And what do you do if you're suspicious of your wife having committed adultery. And then what if you
want to take a Nazarene vow? Just these four kind of like, okay, where did these come
from? Yeah. And you showed how all of them, we're not going to get into it. All of them
cycle through that same melody of God selecting humanity, creating a place of abundance and life and where we live at peace with each other and
then how we will have to be tested going through the waters.
And if we are faithful, would there be blessing and seed and the selection of that seed to then continue on this legacy.
And that's the cycle that leads us to a new creation of sorts, and that's where we're at now.
Yep, that's right. So the first kind of main subunit of numbers goes from chapter 1, verse 1, to chapter chapter 6 verse 21, where it finishes the melody through. And so in chapter 6 verse 22,
a new cycle of the melody that's going to depict this Israel and its encampment all over again,
through another cycle through the themes of Genesis 1 through 9. But this time it's going to
get us ready to leave. So the first cycle in one through six was about establishing the camp as a new Eden.
This cycle is going to establish the new Eden to get ready to go.
And that's the kind of the main burden of this section.
So it opens with the language of day one of Genesis and of the seventh day of Genesis. Oh, this act to kind of cool.
So in Genesis chapter one, God
creates by means of his word and on day one God says let there be light
but the light separate the darkness. This day one on
the seventh day concluding God's creation is about God's presence
feeling creation on the day of rest, and he
blesses the seventh day and sets it apart as holy. So this new cycle of themes in
the opening chapters of Numbers begins with one of the more well-known parts.
If people maybe have no these words, but they may not know that they are from
the fourth book of the Torah, from the Torah school, it's called the blessing of Aaron.
Hmm. You know what? Maybe I'll just let you read it.
It's numbers chapter six, verse 22 to 27.
Here I'll do it. And IV might feel more familiar.
The Lord said to Moses, tell Aaron and his sons, this is how you are to bless the Israelites.
This is the blessing for those relights. Say to them, Yahweh bless you and keep you. Yahweh make his
face shine on you and be gracious to you. Yahweh turn his face toward you and give you
peace. So they will put my name on the Israelites and I will bless them. Yeah. Yeah, I've heard
this blessing. Mm hmm. Yeah. Do. Yeah, I've heard this blessing.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, do you recall where when you've heard it and how you...
I mean, the Lord bless you and keep you.
May the Lord face shine on you and be cursed to you.
That's how it's really not yelling.
It was like in songs.
Lots of benedictions.
Ah, you know, and maybe services.
Yeah.
Usually it's some sort of benediction.
Yeah.
So what's cool here, one, just thinking about this in terms of just ancient Israel,
this is a priestly representative who is given the responsibility or privilege of mediating
God's blessing out to the people. And so the blessing is about God keeping you, it's about protection.
May He bless you, make you fruitful and multiply, may He keep you.
May He make His face shine light on you.
And it's all the language of light from Genesis 1, shining light.
From His face.
Yes.
Yeah, the face of Yahweh being a biblical image for the hotspot.
The, you know, radiance is one of the main depictions of Yahweh's glory and the manifestation
of his honor and power throughout the Hebrew Bible's fire and light.
So the face of Yahweh glowing, yeah.
May he show you grace, favor? May Yahweh turn his face or live it, lift his face upon
you. Sort of like when you walk into the room, Yahweh looks up.
Wow. May he pay attention to you. May you be someone that Yahweh observes, notices, and wants to face instead of turning away from.
And last line, may he give you Shalom. Shalom. And then verse 27 is back to the narrative. It exits
the blessing. And Yahweh says, so when the priest does this, they are putting my name on the Israelites.
They are putting my name on the Israelites, and I will bless them, to put my name upon them.
Yeah.
Isn't that interesting?
That's like a summary of what,
when you say this blessing,
you are putting my name on them,
which is interesting because the high priest
is when he would say this,
would be wearing a robe and a golden plaque on his head
that says, be longing to Yahweh.
Yeah.
So Yahweh's name is on him.
Yeah, exactly.
So the one whose Yahweh name is upon extends this blessing saying, may Yahweh…
His name be on all of you.
May his name be on all of you.
So it's a way that the high priest wraps the whole community and the status that he has been given as their representative.
It's my name. This also makes me think back. There's many conversations ago, but to that story about
the guy in Leviticus who blasphemes or curses the name of Yahweh. This is kind of...
Pierce is the name. Pierce is the name. It helps us see like the stakes are high. When you always name is on someone,
it gives them access to his presence and power because my name is there.
Yeah. It is a way to say that I am Yahweh's. I represent him. And Yahweh's favor is my
favorite. Yeah. I am my beloveds and he is mine.
That's a song of songs.
To say it in the language of the song of songs,
you always gives himself to his people.
So he becomes theirs and they become his.
Or in the phrase that's often repeated
with the covenant formula, in the Torah is,
I will be their God and they will be my people.
It's spouse covenant language. And yeah, that's it.
So here we are. There's light. There is the appointing of humanity as God's image and partner.
Here we are. We're in Genesis 1 territory. Yeah, that's right. Okay, so that's the blessing of Aaron.
Yeah.
What comes next?
What comes next is the longest chapter in the entire Torah.
Ha ha ha.
Numbers chapter seven.
Whoa.
Has 89 verses.
Okay.
And it is a list.
Hmm, more lists.
Ha ha ha.
And it's a flashback. The narrative steps out of the time. So the time was introduced
at the first line of the number scroll saying, this is the second month, the beginning of the
second month after the second year. And chapter seven begins with a flashback date saying,
after seven begins with a flashback date saying,
and it happened on the day that the tabernacle was set up and anointed by Moses.
You're like, oh, wait.
We're going back in time.
That happened a month ago.
So this is thrown in here,
some story from a month ago.
Totally.
So it's a great example of how, you know,
the literary sequence doesn't always correspond to exact
event sequence.
No, it seems more interested in another type of sequence.
Yeah, exactly.
From all obstacles.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, if that's not already clear.
So the tent was set up in Exodus 40.
It's anointed and inaugurated in Leviticus chapter 8. Okay. intervening them, those two chapters is Leviticus 1 through 7, which is all said to happen
in one day, on the day, that the tent was set up and anointed.
So we're time-warping back, and what we're told is that Moses anointed it, consecrated
it, and all the furnishings, and you're like, yeah, that already happened.
Yeah. We remember.
He also anointed and consecrated the altar
and all of its utensils.
Yeah. We read that already.
So at that time, so it's just,
all of that was just saying.
Set stage.
Remember all that?
We've already gone through that.
First two, here's the new thing.
Did you know that the leaders of Israel,
all the heads of the families who were tribal leaders in charge of all those who were counted?
Oh yeah, that's the crew that I met in Numbers, chapter one.
Yeah, there's lots of them.
Yeah, in other words, this narrative could have been fit at the end of Exodus or in the
middle of Leviticus, but it was saved.
Because if it was put in then, you were like the tribal leaders who were in charge of the counted Israelites?
When was there counting? Who were these tribal leaders?
So the narrator has saved it.
So later in the story, after the census of Numbers chapter 1, in the naming of the leaders, and then now you get the story.
That's one reason. It's also been delayed for other reasons.
So here's what you learn. They made offerings and they brought gifts to Yahweh
six carts and
12 oxen
One ox from each of the leaders of the 12 tribes and one cart from every two of the tribes and
They also brought all of this gold and
offerings for the dedication of the tabernacle. I'm surprised they still have gold So brought all of this gold and offerings
for the dedication of the Tabernacle.
I'm surprised they still have gold.
I mean, they.
Oh, a silver plate, a silver sprinkling bowl.
Mm.
I mean, they must have brought a lot of material out
in the wilderness with them.
Yeah.
Because they've already like,
well, so remember, they plunder Egypt,
when they left.
They did plunder Egypt. Okay, that's where this's where this is all probably some Egyptian style mixing balls.
So, the reason that so long is that lists the complete list of items offered, verbatim,
for each of the 12 tribes. So, how did each tribe contribute? Yeah, because there was a call for material in
Is that in Exodus? That was in Exodus. That was for the making of the tent. Yeah, all of this is for the furnishing of the tent
Is for the transportation of the tent or for the offerings made in the tent. Oh in the first week of its operations
Okay, all right, but it's another way that numbers is
Okay, all right, but it's another way that numbers is designed with material that links back to Exodus on the other side of Mount Sinai
So this chapter matches all the material to make the tent the contribution the Israelites made to make the tent
Now here's all the Israelites
Contributing to transport the tent and what you're talking about is the fact that there's a symmetry in the Torah, which we've talked about in other episodes, but just to say it again, there's a symmetry in
the Torah.
And right in the middle is the day of Atomah and the...
Yeah, there's three books at the center of the Torah, three scrolls, Exodus, Leviticus
numbers, Exodus and Numbers match in many ways, and this is one of them.
The offering in Exodus 25 and 31 to make the tavernacle matches these offerings to transport the tavernacle,
and Exodus numbers surround Leviticus, which is at the heart, and this is what you were just saying,
and at the heart, at the center of the center of the Torah
is the story's leading up to the day of Atonement.
So the reason why the chapter so long is it's copy and paste
the same list of a whole bunch of items for each of the 12 tribes.
Once you read one list, you've read the list.
Yeah.
You just read it 12 times over.
So you have to ask, why is it being repeated 12 times?
list. Yeah. Just read it 12 times over. So you have to ask, why is it being repeated 12 times?
And we're back to it's a literary device to communicate both abundance. We're like using up a lot of scroll space here. Yeah. Lavish use. Let's sheep space on a scroll to repeat this list.
But it's also you get a sense of the abundance and of the generosity and of the literary order and
orderliness of the camp.
I think there was some joy in like reading it again like, oh, there's more.
And there's more.
I guess there is this time.
More.
Now let's read it again.
12 times.
Oh, that's it.
So that's the day that the tent was set up and anointed.
The repetition is a part of a communication style.
Yes, cool.
Chapter 7.
Then we come through Chapter 7 and we read the beginning of Chapter 8.
It says, the Lord said to Moses, and you're like, I guess we're flashing forward
back to the story time of Numbers.
Speak to Aaron and say to him,
you know when you set up the lamps,
you know the lights in the tent?
You know what?
It just feels like, oh, one more thing.
It's like, okay, we got the lamp, everything.
Oh, one more thing.
One more thing.
Yeah, that's right. But the lamps, we haven't talked about the lamps yet. We've got about the lamps. Let's like, okay, we got the damn everything. One more thing. Yeah, that's right. But the
lamps, we haven't talked about the lamps yet. We've got the lamps. Let's go with the lamps.
It's just because like, yeah, that's it. When you set up the lamps, make sure that all seven lights
light up the area in front of the lamp stand. This is a good example of expecting a lot of the reader.
First of all, let's see, where did I read
about those lights? Again, Leviticus, Leviticus 24. And there was two little paragraphs about
how every day, morning and night, that's right. The priest is to make sure all the lights
are lit so that it's perpetual light. So now here in this paragraph it's when you set up the lamps,
make sure that all seven are lit up to light up what's in front of the lampstand. Oh yeah. What is
opposite the lampstand on the other side of the room? So the incense? The incense would be to the
left of it by the door, by the veil going into the holy folies. But I thought the lamp was, if you go in the veil of the
holy space, on one side is the lamp.
Oh, I thought the lamp was in front of the curtain to go
into the holy folies.
There's lamps on one side.
Okay.
And then on the other side, symmetrically in the matching
position on the other side is the table of bread.
Okay.
And then the front is just the curtain again.
And then the curtain and then the altar of incense is standing by the curtain of where you would
part the curtains. The curtain into the Holy Holy.
Ah, yeah, that's right. Inside. There's three things in the Holy Space,
the seven light menorah, table with the bread and the incense. Okay.
Stand.
One more thing.
Make sure you light all seven.
Yeah.
So that it can give light to the thing that's opposite facing it.
The show bread.
So it doesn't name the bread, but you're just supposed to know.
So the light, the sevenfold light shines upon the bread. And how many loaves of bread?
Twelve loaves of bread.
So light shining upon all twelve.
And all of a sudden we're back to,
oh, this is what the blessing of Aaron asked for.
May Yahweh's face shine upon Israel.
How many tribes of Israel there's twelve?
So this is a little sandwich around
the longest chapter in the Torah. It's a little blessing and may Yahweh shine his seven-fold
light of his face on Israel, and it's what the priest does outside the tent. But now we get this
little matching bit on the other side that's what the priest was doing to the people
is actually happening 24, 7 inside the tent of the always light represented by the 7-fold
lights shining on the 12 loafs of bread.
Isn't that cool?
Yeah.
And again, it's like a little riddle, it's a little literary puzzle of like why these three
things are next to each other.
Yeah.
It's beautiful.
It is beautiful.
Oh yeah, a couple more things about those lamps
that you didn't know before.
Have you seen that Steve Martin?
What's the movie?
Can't think of the movie.
But there's a scene, such a classic scene.
He's angry and he's leaving his house.
And he's like, I'm leaving.
I was in the jerk.
Yeah, that's in the jerk.
Yeah, that's right. Totally, and he's, oh yeah. I'm just need one more thing. I'm just gonna, I'm leaving. I was in the jerk. Yeah, that's in the jerk. That's right.
Totally, and he's, oh yeah.
I'm just, I'm just, I'm just, I'm gonna leave.
And all I'm taking is,
then, yeah, totally, one, this pillow.
That's right.
And he's like, actually, any one more thing.
That's right.
One more thing.
And then it's just always one more thing.
That's how this feels.
That's, yep, yep, one more thing.
One more thing.
And then so interesting, how that thing matches the thing from two things ago, creating a
little, in this case, a little shining light of Yahweh's face sandwich, with Israel's
obedient offerings in the middle.
Yeah.
And you're like, sweet.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's creating a little new creation of Eden out here in the wilderness.
Let's meditate on that for a second, because you've got this idea of the blessing of God and Genesis 1.
Yeah.
And then that sandwiched again with the blessing, the lights shining.
In Genesis 1, there's no offerings.
No, it's about God providing a rich, abundant, well-ordered world for his human partners.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then giving them authority to rule and represent him, be fruitful and multiply.
Whereas here the emphasis is on the very orderly, generous obedience of his people to care for
the little symbolic Eden in their midst to transport it.
It's to recognize all the abundance is from God.
Now, what's also cool is that this is a good example of meditation literature.
This offering for the transportation of the tabernacle
symmetrically links back to the offering of the Israelites for the materials of the Tabernacle.
And the Tabernacle Blueprints back in Exodus, it's a long section from Exodus 25 to 31,
and it's divided up into seven speeches of Yahweh.
So that whole section is about Yahweh asking his people to imitate his seven-fold creative speech acts by giving
of what God's given to them to make the little Eden.
And that's, I think, being drawn upon here by depicting the offerings of Israel to transport
it and framing it with the blessing of Aaron and this thing about the menorah.
Yeah. Yeah. Cool. the menorah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Cool.
Yeah.
Let's just think.
So in author design, this little section, we call it number 622 through numbers 8, verse
4.
And it's three literary units in a little symmetry that both communicate something on their
own.
Then they communicate, once you compare it to its match in Exodus, and both of those have
more meaning when you compare them together back to Genesis 1.
It's pretty rad.
But it takes a while to get there.
You have to know that the author is acting you to do such a thing before you would even
know to look for such a thing.
Okay. The next section, numbers 8, 5, 3, verse 26,
all about how, actually here, this is a good example. Yahweh said to Moses,
take the Levites from among all the Israelites and make them ritually pure, to purify them do this sprinkle waters that will make them pure
Have them shave their whole bodies and wash their clothes. This is a special purity kind of ritual that
Hmm. This is not how purity rituals work. Uh, let's see. Actually, yeah in Leviticus
This is the same thing when people yeah who are purifying themselves from skin disease, you shave your whole body.
Oh, got it.
Let's see.
Yeah, someone in Leviticus 14, if you had a skin disease, when you re-enter the community,
you shave your whole body and wash with water.
So here, the Levites are being set apart from anything
associated with death. Okay. Yep. They go through a flood as it were a purifying flood right symbolic flood and
Then like Noah did after the flood these Levites after they go through a little
localized flood on their bodies have them take a young bowl and a grain
offering and go offer it up on the altar, just like no, I did on Mount Errorat.
Then y'all are to bring the Levites and the Israelites are to lay their hands on them.
So this is earlier in the book, we were told the Levites are going to be swapped in the
place of the Israelites first born and they're going to serve as their representatives around the tent.
Now is the narrative about there being appointed to do that.
So what Israelites would do to a sacrificial animal when they would bring it to offer?
Put your hands on it.
Put your hands on it.
Commission it.
Yeah.
So commissioning it as your counterpart as your counterpart
as you represented as a representative. Yeah. So that's what Israelites do to their
sacrificial animals. That's what Israelites now do to these Levites who were swapped
into the place of the firstborn who had themselves been swapped out for the Passover lamb. Okay, yes, let's not unpack that.
I hear you, but yeah, that's cool.
Yeah, I think if you haven't been following along carefully.
The connections maybe get, but that's okay.
Layering parallels on parallel.
Let's not unpack that now.
Yeah, it's as if this whole tribe is being set up as a sacrificial lamb within Israel.
What do we need to unpack this?
Well, it's just about the role of the priesthood and of the Levites within Israel was a unique
role that they were in proximity to the always holiness, which is good, but also dangerous.
And they bear responsibility for the sins of Israel in the same way that a blameless animal does.
And this is harkening back to when God throws down on Egypt.
He brought the evil that Pharaoh did to the sons of Israel, literally the sons of Israel,
by killing them in the waters. He demands the sons of the Egypt. He takes the life of the firstborn of Israel
and Egypt in Passover.
Yes, what God says, this is the 10th plague.
And all the firstborn, and it's not just a bejup,
it's like somehow gets leveled up to like every firstborn,
but then God offers a way through this.
Yeah, something Pharaoh didn't do,
which is the Passover lamb.
So the Passover lamb is a substitute
for the life of the firstborn.
And then when we get to numbers here,
we had that little narrative of like all those firstborn kids
who were kind of ransomed from that final act of justice
are now swapped out for Levites.
Like God ransomed you, so you are now, you have this kind of special obligation to God,
because he saved you through this sacrificial lamb. Now the Levites come in, they take that place,
and what you're saying is not only now are they fulfilling kind of this obligation for God in a way,
but they're also kind of acting like a sacrificial lamb?
Then yeah, when the Levites commissioned them, they go through the same ritual as when an
Israelite brings the sacrifice to the altar and commissions the animal as their own substitute.
Okay.
commissions the animal as their own substitute. So it's as if this whole tribe is acting as a sacrificial buffer that lives around the tent so that the power of God's holiness brings them blessing
instead of overwhelming them so that they die. Yeah, yeah, it's very much like, yeah, a special group of like nuclear reactor technicians
who are get to put on their like thick yellow rubber hazmat suits. And this select group when they
are playing their role dressed this way, they on our behalf of the community that lives around the reactor.
These can go in and tend to it so that the reactor produces energy for us instead of melting
down and then destroying us all.
It's an analogy that kind of works.
I mean, it breaks down in multiple ways, but that's essentially it.
But the point is that the Levites and these priests live in this zone where they're in such close proximity to the very source of all life.
That they can be a source of blessing, extreme blessing, like when the priest puts out his hands and splesses people, or it could be that their lives are at risk.
If they were to do something wrong, which intent is going to happen in Numbers Chapter 16,
it's going to go terribly wrong. Okay, so that's the commissioning of the Levites.
So we had a recreation of Israel through the blessing so that the always face can shine
upon as people. We're now commissioning
the royal priests. We're selecting a human, selecting them out, assigning them to work in the new Eden.
Great, wonderful. Numbers chapter 9. Then, Yahweh spoke to Moses in the desert of Sinai, in the first
month of the second year after they came out of Egypt. Oh, it's the same time. So in the first month of the second year after they came out of Egypt.
Oh, it's the same time.
So in the first month of the book began
in the second month of the second year.
Oh, so this is another flashback.
So we're flashing back again to a month ago.
Okay.
Oh.
Now, here's a thing, the first month of every year,
it's Passover.
Oh yeah.
You select the lamb on the floor.
On the second Sabbath, right? Sabbath. In the week of the
2nd Sabbath, you select the Passover Lamb on the 14th and then begin the 9th Passover.
So, chapter 9, israelites celebrate Passover? Speaking of the Levites who were substituted out
for the 1stborn who were substituted out for the Passover lamb in the previous section.
Speaking of Passover, I have the Israelite celebrate Passover. It's about time.
Make sure you celebrate it at the time of meeting.
I see Brewerd Moed. Moed. Moed. Yeah. On the night of the 14th day of the month, you know,
just like go read Exodus. So Moses told Israelites to celebrate Passover
and they did it.
So it's the first Passover out of Egypt.
That's the original.
Yeah, since the night of Exodus.
Yeah, so the Israelites did everything.
Here's the thing.
There were some Israelites.
Yeah, they couldn't celebrate Passover
because well, they had touched a dead
body recently and they were ritually impure.
Well, this is a problem.
Didn't think about this one.
Didn't think about this one.
So we're meditating again on what it means to be a little garden of Eden, holy space,
traveling through the desert.
And what happens on one of these days, we meet with Yahweh as a people, and we retell
the story of how He set us apart and spared us through the first born lamb so that we could
all be free to serve Yahweh here today.
What an awesome thing that we all get to celebrate that with Yahweh dwelling in our midst.
But oh no, what if there's been death in the camp and some of us have had
contact with death? What are we supposed to do? I guess we're going to lose out. I guess we can't
be covered by the blood of the lamb because we've contracted death. So it's putting together a crisis
here. Right. No, if you haven't read Leviticus, this doesn't feel like that big of a crisis.
Yeah, you're kind of like,
are we making a mountain out of a mole hill here?
Yeah, not for these people.
Yeah, not for the narrative.
So this is a question about,
does death disqualify you
from being covered by the blood of the lamb?
If you've contracted ritual impurity by touching death,
what you should have to do is go live on the edge of the camp. If you've contracted ritual impurity by touching death, what you should
have to do is go live on the edge of the camp. Not celebrate Passover.
Not celebrate Passover, but if you don't celebrate Passover, what you're doing is saying,
I don't get to participate in the liberation of Yahweh of His people.
The recourse of Passover happens in the tents. That's part of Passover.
Yeah, totally. You're in the house with blood on the door.
Yes.
Yeah.
So they came to Moses and Aaron and said,
Listen, we became unclean because of a dead body, most likely from burying a relative. Yeah.
So I mean, we had to give somebody an honorable burial. Yeah. But we had to do it the day before Passover
And so we're waiting seven days at the edge of the camp and are you saying that we don't get to do the Passover?
We can't be liberated all over again
saying that we can't be liberated all over again because we touch a dead body. Why should we be left out from presenting the Lord's offering with all the other Israelites? And Moses answers and
says, yeah, great point. So he says, wait till I go find out what the Lord is going to command.
Moses doesn't know. He's like, this is unprecedented. What are we going to do?
So that, yeah, we're says to Moses, tell the Israelites, when any of you or your descendants are
impure, because you've touched dead body, or let's just say, you're on vacation. You're away on,
you're on, literally, you're on the way. There's going gonna be lots of reasons you might miss Passover. Yeah, you might be out of town.
Yeah.
Let's say you have to do a work trip.
Let's say a group went south to like, you know,
trade with the mini-nice.
Yeah, go trade with mini-nice.
To get whatever, this or that, and they're gone.
They still need to celebrate Passover.
But they are to do it on the 14th day of the second month. Just do it one month later.
They are to eat the lamb together with unleavened bread and bitter herbs and
starts repeating rules. Don't leave any till morning. Don't break any of its bones.
Follow all the regulations. Now, if anybody who is not impure and not on a work trip, and they don't celebrate Passover, they're
dead to me.
Oh, gosh.
They will bear the consequences of their sin.
Okay.
So this is the meditation.
You got to meditate here.
So to be a member of the covenant people of God means I'm a part of the family that was liberated from death and slavery to the powers of evil
by the justice of Yahweh on evil, but also by the mercy of Yahweh that provided that substitute.
So this is a people by definition who exist because of Yahweh's justice and mercy.
And the family exists because of it going through that experience. But now every
year, every is relight for all the years of their life, meaning every generation is to see itself
as living as if we are the Exodus generation. And if you fail to do it, unless you're away on
a work trip or a richly impure,
then you are no longer a part of the people.
It's like forsaking your identity
as the people who are both under God's justice
and also alive because of God's mercy.
It's kind of like renewing your contract
with God every year.
Yes.
And it's like, yeah, if you're not gonna renew,
then you're out.
Yeah, being a part of this people means perpetually recognizing that my life doesn't belong to me.
I could have died in Egypt. And the life that I do have is the gift of Yahweh's generous mercy.
And celebrating in Passover is a way of renewing that identity every year.
Now, what if death has prevented me from participating in that? That's cool. We got you covered. We got a plan B. Death can't prevent you from participating in that or responsibilities
that you might have. It's powerful actually. It's like it would be very easy to start to live in a way where I forget this is my core
identity.
And I start to live as if my life belongs to me.
To be fair, it's also easy to forget when doing the rituals.
Oh, you know, I mean, I suppose it's less easy, but you could go through the motions. Oh totally. Oh, that's right. Of course, but this is forcing you to stop
Mm-hmm in a time and place and to recognize and let your imagination be yeah, like shapes by yeah, by the experience
It's experience. Yep. Yeah, the the story into let it become your reality.
Mm-hmm.
And that's a big deal.
Here's a big deal.
Yeah.
Once again, it highlights the role of habits and liturgy connected to a calendar and the
story of God's people that shapes their memories and their identity in a really powerful way.
There's another element to this here that I'll just draw attention to because it might be a cool
conversation is the fact that this thing happens. So the laws of Passover were already set earlier in
the Torah. And they're long. It's like two long chapters Exodus 12 and 13 and you think what more is there to say?
But there's this whole narrative that recognizes well stuff happens
Mm-hmm
and when you actually get in the business of living life whether it's bearing a relative or going on a work trip and
You're gonna find yourself in situations where there's no law
There's no law
So what do you do? And so this is a narrative dedicated to pondering what do we do when there's no rule
from God about what to do in this scenario.
And what Moses has to do is go to Yahweh himself and get a new refreshing of the old law
so that you can fulfill the original law, but by not observing it on its face value.
So what do you do if you don't have a Moses around?
Yeah, that's a great question.
Well, I think it depends on who you are.
Good thing they have Moses.
This happens a couple of other times in the Torah.
It's going to happen again in numbers, two times actually, with some daughters of tribe of one of Joseph's sons are going
to come and say like, hey, you know, we're all supposed to get a land inheritance, but
our dad died in the wilderness and he didn't have any sons. We don't have any brothers.
And the way the law is currently stated, women can't inherit any land. And Moses is like,
oh, no. What do we do? So he goes the highway and he always like, yeah, new rule. Women can inherit land.
And then these daughters inherit the land. So there's something happening here. The wilderness
generation is being taught that even the revelation of God's will at Sinai and the laws of the Torah
needs to be refreshed. And
this isn't some complete law code that they get to just check off the
list and be done. Yeah. It's going to be this constant like coming back to God and saying,
what about this? What do we do now? Yes. If you have a Moses, he could go, God's going
to give him the new law. But like, I'm serious. Like, what do you do if you don't have Moses?
Yeah. Well, I think you better pray for God's Spirit to give you wisdom.
And later in the book of Numbers, when Moses is told he's not going to enter the
Promised Land, what he's told us to appoint Joshua as a new Moses, and God will give him
a Spirit of wisdom. And what that's about, I think, is about how the
generations after Moses can look upon the laws of the Torah, but also with God's wisdom,
find new ways to obey the meaning of those laws, even if it means doing something slightly
different than what it says. And then this brings us into the whole wisdom tradition.
Exactly right.
Of like, what does it mean to be filled with the spirit of wisdom?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's right.
In Numbers chapter 11, Moses is going to say, man, I can't lead all these people.
It's just too big, too complex. I don't know what to do.
And so God says, well, point seventy elders and I'll take of the spirit, my spirit that's on you and I'll give what to do. And so God says, well, 0.70 elders, and I'll take of the spirit,
my spirit that's on you, and I'll give it to them. And so that's right. Yeah. And so when it
happens, there's so much of God's spirit that it spills over onto two extra people.
Two guys named Eldad and me dad, their names me the beloved one and darling. God's beloved one.
Two little precious dudes. Yeah. Sure. Like you can't contain God's spirit. It blows where it
wills. And so it overflows onto two more. And there's the guy in the camp who's like,
what? No, it came on more than 70 Moses. God's spirit's breaking the boundaries here. And Moses
is like, you know what, man, I wish every is relight in this camp at God's Spirit.
That's a good problem.
It's a good problem.
Because what God's Spirit of Wisdom means is that you can discover, you can discern God's will for your life
by consulting the wisdom of the Torah, but also going out and living out God's will in ways the Torah could never address,
because it was given to a particular people at a particular time. So this is all the numbers.
This is cool.
It's super cool.
It's a big theme in numbers about the role of the spirit.
Now it's like just hinted at here.
Oh yeah.
It's just the first hint of that theme.
Yeah, first aroma of that theme.
That's interesting.
The Torah itself has stories saying,
you're going to need more than the laws of the Torah
if you want to live by God's will.
Well, and then you know I've been really thinking about this in terms of
Proverbs and this idea of understanding in the
Bible that the the Psalmist in Psalm 119 asks for understanding at really key points like I want
to understand. And it's so interesting to me because in one sense these laws like you know
once you get it what's there to understand?
Yeah, like, well, like, for example,
and these are blending together for me,
what's the law we just talked about today?
Anybody who has leprosy, or skin disease,
or touch a dead body, exiled, outside the tank.
Or the Passover law.
Oh, okay, yeah, Passover.
Yeah.
Okay, so we just talked about how you can do Passover
in the second month. Yeah. Okay, that's easy to about how you can do Passover in the second month.
Yeah.
Okay, that's easy to understand.
I get it.
Like I miss it the first month, I could do it the second month.
Yeah.
Just okay, do it.
Why is the psalmist going, help me understand.
So that I can actually have life.
It's like it told you what to do.
And it seems like a lot of these,
all these laws can be thought of that way. But you get the psalmist going, help me understand.
I'm going to understand so that I might have life. And then in Proverbs 2, when it's talking about
finding wisdom and understanding, it's like, it's like seek after this. This is treasure.
It's like seek after this like it's just this is treasure. This is what you need. There's this like
There's this quest underneath of this of like yeah, don't just hear this and like be wild I'm gonna check this off. I'm gonna do all these things. Yeah, like find understanding. That's really fascinating
Yeah, it is yeah, the biblical story
It's trying to shape God's people into people who assume that there's always more to learn, that I can always
gain more wisdom and insight to navigate life's complexities, and that I have to keep returning
to the Torah to discover greater insight so that I can go live my life and trust that I'm living by God's will. Yeah, I think the impulse underneath Psalm 119 is the same impulse for what this story is trying
to communicate. Because you're on the face of it, it's okay, celebrate Passover on the second month.
But what if I'm on a work trip on the second month? Yeah, totally. Exactly. Yeah, what do we do then?
Do we come back to Moses then? Yeah. And most of it would be like you guys you have the spirit of God work it out
Work it out. I guess I will do it on the 14th day of the third month. Hmm. So it's like
this process of trying to wean God's people off of the laws not to ignore them
But to let the laws shape them in such a way that they can begin to make their own responsible decisions.
Is this part of why Paul calls the law like a pedagogue?
Yeah, yeah, totally.
That's right.
Yeah, what he says is the laws of the Torah are good and point to life, but they don't give you the power to obey them.
He locates that power in the gift of God's Spirit.
And the power to then also understand them and let them give you wisdom.
Ah, I see.
Like, seems like they're training you. There's something about these like,
Yeah, that's the focus here.
That's focus here. So when Paul is talking about, he's talking about just,
doesn't he have something about like, or was this James or something, but like,
there's a sense of the law was when you're a child and you need
some extra care. But then there's an opportunity to find the wisdom under the law.
Yeah. That's a part of his larger chain of thought in the letter to the Galatians. Galatians.
Yeah, that's right. And there's other dynamics,
you know, the going on in Galatians about circumcision and stuff that's specific to first century
Judaism and the Messianic House churches. But the basic point is that the laws have built within them
a thrust that's forcing you to go be guided by the laws to begin making decisions that the laws don't speak to.
And so it's actually very similar to what Jesus is doing on the sermon on the mount.
You would argue that the story is being carried forward when Jesus says you've heard that it was said,
don't murder. And I say to you. And I say to you, what's underneath? Don't murder. Well, let's and I say to you. What's underneath don't murder?
Well, let's really understand this law give me understanding yeah of don't murder. Yeah
Because it's obvious
Don't take the person's life. Yeah, that's right. Don't take another person's life. Yeah. What what else do you need to understand?
Yeah, that's pretty simple. Totally. And Jesus is like, no, let's get understanding.
It's like the night before the sermon on the Mount,
Jesus was up in all night prayer, praying Psalm 119.
Hmm, here, let's just,
so here's something Jesus might have prayed that night.
Psalm 114, give me understanding,
so that I can keep your law and obey it with all of my heart.
Direct me in the path of your commands. That's where I find the light.
Yeah. And so it's somebody shaped by that desire that could see underneath the
law. Don't murder or something more or underneath the law. Celebrate Passover
every year on the first month, the 14th day. And say, there's something more to understand here.
More. God wants more for me with what Passover is about.
So much more that I can celebrate it a month later.
And he doesn't want me to miss out because it's so
formative for understanding my identity.
Yeah, give me understanding so that I may keep your law.
No, just help me keep the law.
Like, you gave me the law, I'll make you a law.
Yeah, totally.
Nobody wants understanding so you could obey it
with all his heart.
You're just like, yeah, there's something there.
There's something about what about a situation
that the law doesn't address?
Give me understanding so that no matter what scenario
I find myself in, I keep the Torah.
Well, there's only 613 laws in the Torah and they don't address anything about X, Y,
Z. No, but that's what understanding will give me so that I can obey it with all of my heart.
Yeah, this is cool. I forgot that this was an element of the story when we started this conversation,
but the moment I remembered it, because this is a longstanding theme for you. Over the years, we've been talking.
Psalm 119 has kind of been a source of frustration, but I think it speaks to something deeper for
you.
Well, originally, Psalm 119, the beef was just, man, if I'm gonna be honest with myself,
the laws of the Torah are, they're burdened some.
And they're weird.
And they're just like, it's just like,
oh, it's like going to, we went to a school
where there's all these rules,
like don't go to an R-rated movie and don't like.
Talk about the Christian college.
The Christian college we went to.
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
And it's like, I didn't think of those and be like,
oh, I delight in these laws.
I'm like, I want to understand them.
Help me understand.
It's just kind of like, I got to put up with these.
And that's how the laws of the Torah feel to me.
But for me, I step outside and I go,
oh, I'm not an ancient Israel, I don't have to follow them.
But here's in Psalm 119, an agent, Israel, like, reveling in these.
And so that was hard for me.
And I remember we were going through this when we were talking about the Psalms and I just
was being just really plain.
I was just like, I don't get it.
Like, why is he so stoked on these laws?
Yeah.
They just feel like confining.
Mm-hmm, yeah.
And that's obviously how the people who are much closer
to the original context of all these laws,
they felt the opposite, right?
Or could have felt the opposite.
That's right, okay.
That when they get it, when they get like,
oh, this is what's happening here.
Yeah.
These laws are shaping me.
These laws are giving me an opportunity to live in God's presence.
These laws are setting me apart to be God's holy people,
like all this stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Passover is not just a once a year thing
and it's not just a thing that happened to my ancestors.
It's something that God wants to be for me,
the God of the Exodus for me, every day.
Every day is a liberation from slavery.
You know, like that.
Yeah, that kind of stuff.
You're meditating and you're like, I could be liberated all over again today.
Sweet.
I mean, God says you can do it in the first month, you can do it in the second month.
I'm doing it.
I'm going to pass over every day.
Every day.
Pass over. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. I'm doing it. But the point is like you'd get there by meditating
on the meaning of the significance,
the heart underneath the command.
Well, the delight that you would have when you realize
I get access to gods like blessing.
Yes.
And this is funneling me into it.
Yeah. That's pretty awesome.
That was my first kind of problem with someone I mean is not getting that.
And then there's been this more recent just trying to figure out why is the Psalmist?
I think it's maybe three times, maybe it's more in someone 18.
He explicitly asked like to understand the law.
And like I'm really wanted to know more like what are they after there?
And so that's we work through that a little bit here. And I think there's something lovely there.
I think so too.
Yep.
So in this section, God has remade of people.
He's shined the light of his face upon them.
They've responded by reciprocating generosity,
to give gifts, to transport the tent.
God's chosen line, put the Levites,
to work in proximity to the tent and now we see that
Every year he wants to deliver his people all over again. So we continue on. Oh, okay. This is good Bible trivia
When was the first time that the cloud and the pillar of fire?
That guy to God's people through the wilderness where's's the first time that that appeared? At the Red Sea. So you're going to Exodus 14 and you're right, it does appear there.
But it's not the first time. It's the night of Passover. The moment Passover is over. Exodus 13, 17, the people leave Egypt and God guided them by a pillar of cloud,
guide them by day, a pillar of fire to guide them by night. So here in Numbers,
after we have addressed the topic of Passover, we read Numbers 9, 15. Okay, so remember how on the
day the tabernacle was set up, we're zooming back in time, again,
and the tent of the covenant of the Torah was set up. Yeah, remember that?
Yeah, live it against eight or nine or something.
Remember how the cloud covered it?
Yeah.
You know, from evening to morning, the cloud,
above the tabernacle, and it looked like fire.
So, number's 915 does a full-on flashback.
Yep.
Okay, for 16, that's how it kept on being all the time.
The cloud covered it, and a night it looked like fire.
Whenever the cloud lifted from above the tent,
the Israelites set out.
Wherever the cloud stopped, the Israelites camped.
At Yalways Command, the Israelites set out.
At Yalways Command, they camped.
As long as that cloud stayed over the tabernacle, they remained in the camp. Now let's say the
cloud stayed over the tabernacle a really long time. The Israelites would obey that order
and they wouldn't leave. Sometimes the cloud was over the tabernacle just a few days,
and that the lords command they would few days and that the lords command they
wouldn't camp and that the lords command they would set out.
Sometimes the cloud.
I'm trying to make this exciting.
Yeah.
We're just like, and now all the things that the cloud might do.
Yeah.
We're saying over and over and over again, the cloud stay a long time,
cloud stay a short time,
cloud stay a few days, cloud stay a week.
So we're working the theme over and over and over again.
They live and are led by the cloud,
the presence of Yahweh is the thing that's going to guide them.
That's that paragraph.
Chapter 10, verse 10.
Here's another thing.
Here's something else.
Yeah, I said to most of us, make two trumpets.
A beautiful hammered work.
They obviously already have trumpets.
There's been trumpets at Sinai.
Oh, but that was the trumpets.
Go up the mountain.
That was always thunder and lightning.
Oh, that was always trumpet.
But didn't they blow trumpets to like inaugurate the tabernacle?
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
No, it's just fire and cloud.
There's no trumpet.
Mm-hmm.
No.
Oh man, I remember trumpets.
These are the trumpets.
These are the origin story of the trumpets.
These are the trumpets.
And use them to call out the community.
When you want to assemble all the leaders in the Clans, remember their names from chapter
one. Yep. Then blast the trumpet. If you want all the camps to start to get up and get ready to go,
blast that trumpet two times. Let's say that you're going into battle with an enemy, like we might
meet out there in the wilderness. Yep. blast those trumpets. Let's say, ooh, let's say it's, you want to celebrate one of the
festivals where we meet with Yahweh. Pass over. One of the seven. For example, blast those trumpets.
blast those trumpets when you leave, blast them when you stay, blast them when you meet with God.
blast the trumpets.
blast the trumpets. So this is interesting. This section began with the blessing of Aaron and the mentioning of the seven lamp menorah. And we were told there that the menorah was
made out of hammered work, Mikshe. It's very rare word. And now at the end of this section,
we are being reminded of the trumpets made of hammered work. Those hammered things were
right next to a literary unit that reminded you about the day the tabernacle set up both to be
transported and then to be led by the cloud and fire. So we're getting ready to go. So chapters
one through six were all about recreating the little Eden in the wilderness. Now this whole section is about recreating Israel as the mobile Eden getting ready to leave.
And so it all leads up to Numbers 10, verse 11 and John, we're going to leave Mount Sinai.
We're leaving Mount Sinai.
Yeah, we've been here a long time.
Yeah.
I don't know how many conversations we've been here at Mount Sinai. But on the 20th day of the second month of the second year, you know that cloud, you
know that we lived up. Yeah, we just learned about the cloud. That cloud lifted up from the
tabernacle of the covenant tour and the Israelites, they set out from the desert of Sinai.
And man, they traveled from place to place.
Okay, second month, 20th day.
Yep.
So they've done the Passover.
Or they might be in the middle of the people
like redoing the Passover.
People redoing the Passover, they're still in the middle of it.
Yeah.
Of the feast of unleavened bread.
Yeah.
They have to go to Moses and find out what to do.
That's right. Yep. So the divisions of the camp of unleavened bread. Yeah. They're going to go to Moses and find out what to do. Yep.
So the divisions of the camp of Judah, they went first and you're like,
oh, yeah, I remember this from chapter two.
Yeah.
This is a good example where we're repeating all the stuff from
earlier chapters and that you can feel it's we're rounding off
a literary unit here.
And we're going to set off into a new one.
So it goes and starts renaming all the camp divisions, and they're banners that they carry as they march through.
It's a really long list.
Then the Levites carry the holy thing.
So yeah, those, chapter three and four, and okay.
Finally, the rear guard.
This is like, I have read the lists so many times now.
So again, the repetition communicates the orderliness.
Yeah.
And order is a big deal.
It's the opposite of chaos.
It's chaos out in that wilderness.
Yeah.
So from this moment forward, the Israelites set out
into the wilderness, and what we're going to see
is the story again of Genesis 1 through 9.
The cycle is going to start over again.
In the second literary movement.
Yeah, and as they go into the wilderness, it's going to be good for a minute, a hot minute,
and then this is going to go terribly wrong.
Here it just starts going wrong in chapter 11.
There was this rabble among the Israelites who began to desire food.
They have a desire for food, just like the woman saw
that the tree was good for food and desirable for everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so it's going
to be this big rebellion among the people against Moses because they want desirable food. So it's
good for a minute, it's eaten for a minute, and then we're going to be right back into the. Now,
this is what we're going to be right back into the.
Now this is what we're going to talk about next, but just to kind of show you how it works.
But for the moment, let's just pause with the camps marching out and everybody's, they're
carrying, you know, all the tent and the cloud and the fire is with them.
Y'all always with his people.
And they're on the march to a new creation.
Yeah.
A lot of order. There's a lot of understanding
about how this is all going to work. We've got the priests. We've got all the offerings. We've got
God's blessing and His presence and the tabernacle and we're ordered and we've multiplied and we're
flourishing. And we are off. Yeah, that's it. We're off.
There's a major hinge in the storyline of the Torah and this people has been redeemed.
They've become the hosts of the presence of their liberating God and now they have begun
to reflect God's own orderliness and beauty and justice and abundance in life as they go into the desert.
And that's the picture we are left to ponder like a garden in the desert as they go through.
And the garden won't last long. It's all going to go wrong in a minute, but let's,
you know, the story just lets us pause for a minute and picture what things can be like and what things could be like in our own lives and these stories can become literature for us to meditate on
to consider what God's purpose and will is for our time and our day.
Thanks for listening to this episode of Bible Project Podcast.
We just finished the first movement of numbers next week.
We'll begin the first movement of numbers next week. We'll begin the second movement.
We'll explore a new theme, the theme of the test,
and we're gonna find all the intentional parallels
between this testing and the testing in the School of Exodus.
And usually they are patterns of intensification.
Like what happened in Exodus will usually get picked up
and intensified, but sometimes flipped or inverted
by the matching stories and numbers.
The wilderness constitutes a test for whether Israel will trust Yahweh and bring about little gardens of Oasis,
a refuge in the wilderness, and whether they're going to obey God's words.
And you can already anticipate where that's going to go.
Today's show is produced by Cooper Peltz, edited by Dan Gumball and Tyler Bailey,
and Lindsay Ponder with the Show Notes.
Ashlyn Heiss and Mackenzie Buxman provided the annotations for our annotated podcast in our app.
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