BibleProject - What’s So Bad about Babel? – Family of God E3
Episode Date: December 7, 2020What was so bad about the Tower of Babel? In this episode, Tim and Jon examine the cycle of division within the human race in Genesis 1-11, the violence that occurs when humans unite apart from God, a...nd God’s plan to use one family to redeem all families in the end.View full show notes from this episode →Timestamps Part 1 (0:00–16:00)Part 2 (16:00–29:30)Part 3 (29:30–35:00)Part 4 (35:00–46:00)Part 5 (46:00–end)Show Music “Defender Instrumental” by Tents“The Size of Grace” by Beautiful Eulogy“Acquired in Heaven” by Beautiful Eulogy“Dreams” by xander.Show produced by Dan Gummel. Show notes by Lindsey Ponder.Powered and distributed by Simplecast.
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It is John at Bible Project.
Right now we're in the middle of a series called
The Family of God.
In episode one, we look at the diversity of the Jesus movement all over the globe.
Last week, in the second episode of this series, we looked at the story of Adam and Eve,
and how one human became too met to be united back as one.
Now, fast-forward through Genesis, past the flood narrative, and...
Then you get your favorite part of the Bible in mind, Genesis chapter 10.
The table of the nations.
And if you're like me, you'll skip over this chapter.
It's just a boring list of names, right?
Dude, Genesis 10 is so awesome.
It's a genealogy kind of.
Really more it's a ethnographic map of the biblical world.
So this ethnographic map consists of 70 people.
70 nations, but there's way more than 70 nations and 70 ethnicities.
In the biblical world, the number 70 is typological.
It's a rhetorical effect that evokes the idea of totality, comprehensiveness on a large
scale, as opposed to the use of seven for completeness on a smaller scale.
So when we look at the table of nations, we're going to notice a lot more than a list of random people from a long time ago.
It's a highly designed map, showing us the outline of the biblical world.
But why take all this time mapping out genealogies?
This document is no mere academic exercise.
It affirms, first of all, a common origin and the absolute unity
of humankind. All the nations and all their diversity all come from the same family.
And then buried in the middle of that is this narrative about the origins of Babylon
comes from a violent warrior who has a great name. What's the next story after Genesis
10? It's the story about the building of the city and tower of Babylon.
The Tower of Babylon.
Or in your translation likely, the Tower of Babylon.
This is the tower that all humanity unites together to build up to the sky.
And you might be thinking, well, this is great.
Humans uniting to build something together?
We want unity.
The problem is, they're creating a destructive type of unity to make their own name great.
The story of Babylon represents the human, short-sighted attempt to unify the human family.
But here, by elevating one culture and place and city, elevate one city's name.
It's people making a name for themselves.
I'm John Collins.
This is Bible Project Podcast.
Today, Dr. Tameki and myself will talk about the family of God and the table of nations
and the Tower of Babylon. Thanks for joining us. Here we go.
Dr. Maki.
John Collins. I don't call you Dr. Qu. quite enough. No, I would prefer that.
No.
Well, I just did.
We are continuing our discussion on the family of God.
Family of God.
Man, last episode, it's hard for me,
but I think I got there.
And pages one and two of the Bible give this,
in a sense like a puzzle, this reflection
on what it means
to be human.
And the puzzle goes to something like this.
All of humankind, all of humanity is the image of God, but also male and female together
are the image of God.
And in Genesis 2, there's this really strange story about man being alone, seeing that all
these animals have a companion. Mm-hmm. Sorry a human alone
It uses the generic term the human the human was how Genesis to start there's a human alone
Yeah, undifferentiated in terms of gender. Okay, just the human the human. Yeah, but it's the word a dom which becomes yeah
The man
Correct, but as the story begins, it doesn't mean the man.
Because male and female don't exist in the narrative yet.
It's just the human.
The human sees that animals have others,
that they come in sets of two by two.
Yeah.
And that this human doesn't have that.
It's a complete his ability, his ability.
It's ability.
The humans do complete the divine vocation
to be the image and rule.
So you get this really weird story of him going into the stupor,
God taking half of him, forming woman
and then forming the other half man.
And then now you've got two from one.
And then the narrator sits back and reflects, you know, also,
you, when you leave your parents, there's a unity there.
And then you go and you find another,
and you unite as one flash, and the two become one.
One flash, one body. And so there's this, this
reflection on what does it mean to be human, that to be fully human, you need to be unified
with others to represent who God is. And there's something here also about families, because
this theme is about family of God. That's right. And so the origin of families is
always about two humans coming together in a way that creates a new type of unity that creates
more humans. Yes. And then those humans become a unit, a family unit, which has a unity, but that
in order for those to continue to grow, someone has to leave that family unit, create a new one.
So you get families
and families and families, and eventually if you just look around and you think about just the
human race, you're just like, this is a bunch of families. And all of these families are the
image of God together, somehow. Which means somehow there needs to be a unity amongst all of these
families. In other words, the image of God poem in Genesis 1 begins a theme
that by the end of Genesis 2 makes you realize that it's only as a family of humans unified
that we fully represent the image of God as intended. It's the many being and acting as one
family that truly reflects the image. Yeah, cool.
So wouldn't that be great if everybody got along?
Some sort of, yeah, utopia of unity.
Yeah, yeah, but it's imagining that whatever ideal exists for humanity,
it's when all families are at peace and acting as one.
Yeah.
And that's, it would be great.
That's a pretty compelling vision.
Why don't we all get along?
Here's the step to take from the ideal vision of a unified human family that is the image of God.
That's a shorthand way to summarize everything. The ideal is a unified human family that is all together
the image of God. And when you say family there, you're using it in a very generic sense because not family
like a media family or extended family you're talking about.
Yeah, I'm using it in an extended sense.
Yeah, a tribal nation sense.
But even beyond tribes and nations, you're talking about as a whole human family.
The whole human family.
The whole human family made up of sub-families.
Yeah. Yeah. So in a way, the stories in Genesis 3 leading up to Babylon are a
domino, a chain of domino effects about the fracturing of families on all their levels.
So in the story of Adam and even the snake, they take what is good in their eyes,
they want to see
wisdom that they think will make them like God, even though they are already
like God, and when they do so, they look at each other, and now they each have their
own wisdom about what is good and bad, and their response is to realize that, oh,
you're different than me. They realize, the first thing that happens,
they realize they were naked when they eat from the fruit.
And the nakedness tells them, you're different than me.
Oh, interesting.
Do you think that's the nakedness?
Is like, wait a second.
Hmm.
Whoa.
I'm a man, you're a woman.
You're not like me.
You're not like me.
I don't like me.
That's why the nakedness is.
At the end, and they cover their bodies.
So that they can forget that they're not like each other?
Ah, so it's a rich image.
It's a rich image.
At the end of chapter 2, they're naked.
You're different than me.
I'm different than you, but there's no shame.
No need to hide.
We're open, vulnerable, because the two are one.
But then the moment, something happens when human define their own wisdom about good and bad, that
being naked and vulnerable to and other becomes a risk, becomes dangerous, it becomes not
safe.
I think that's where the images are trying to push the reader to go.
Now all of a sudden, our difference is a source of conflict, or least potential conflict,
so we hide from each other.
We're seeing it as a fracturing of their unity.
The man and the woman, their unity's fractured.
It's the first casualty.
You can't be unified when you're hiding from each other.
Totally, that's right.
A next story, they have kids,
and you have a story about two brothers,
one of whom becomes jealous of the favor
that God shows
to his brother, and so that unity is fractured through murder. Then what the murderer does is go
exiled to the east and he wanders out of Eden and he builds a city.
Builds a city. First city. Yeah, the first city. This is Cain, Cain and Cain's city,
and then you get a genealogy, and the
seventh descendant from Adam through Cain is a guy named Lemek, who takes two wives. So
he makes the two become one by taking two, which is not how Genesis two set up the ideal,
but he takes two. And then he sings a song about how he murdered a young man for wounding him and how the protection of God gave Cain.
He declares over himself ten times over.
Yeah.
So all of a sudden, you have a whole human community.
The same, so it's like Cain times ten.
Yeah.
So Cain fractured his own family with his brother and Lemek represents that in a community times 10.
That's the image here.
Yeah.
So you can just see the narrative is really focused on the fracturing of the human family,
the splitting and dividing of the human family.
Because Lemek is fracturing it more because he's taking multiple wives and he's killing.
Yeah, yeah, in the context of a city,
of a whole community, in a whole community.
Whereas the setting, and he's celebrating it.
It's like a city where someone can celebrate
that kind of fracturing.
Yep, yeah, that's right.
And so the narrative pauses for genealogy,
but when it picks up again in chapter six,
we're told that there's a cosmic fracturing with the sons of God and the daughters of humans.
And then you combine Lemx, the Canes, City of Blood, represented by Lemx, and you represent
the cosmic crossing of boundaries with the sons of God and the daughters of men, Genesis
6, and then Genesis 6, verses 5, and following
tell us, and the land was filled with...
You know what I call?
Humans were supposed to fill the land.
Oh right.
Fill the earth with the land.
But the land was filled with violence, and all flesh had ruined
its way, corrupted its way on the land.
And so what God...
It's violence is like the opposite of unity.
Oh, okay, yeah.
Yeah, you were other than me. two ways we could go about this.
We'd learn about each other, learn to appreciate what is different,
and find a way to make it all work together as one.
That's one solution.
Yeah.
Being violent is for the purpose of fracturing and destroying.
Yeah, that's right.
So perhaps something needs to be destroyed, maybe that violence is good, but if the purpose
is to build unity, violence is just going to get in the way.
Yeah, that's right.
Human violence between family members, can enable or between community members, Lemek,
becomes a core portrait of the problem, like the biblical diagnosis of the problem,
violence.
When I see and treat other people, yeah, as a...
As content.
Yeah, yeah, as less than human, right?
Am I my brother's keeper?
What?
Am I responsible for him?
Another human?
I'm responsible for them.
That's what the came says to God.
You're supposed to be the keeper of humanity.
Me. So we're really flying high here.
God's decision is to purify his creation
from the blood of the innocent,
the blood's crying out from the ground,
and the Cain's story.
God.
Purify creation from the blood.
He sends waters to wipe away the violent bloodshed
from the land.
And actually God's emotional response to it is grief. wipe, wipe away the violent bloodshed from the land.
And actually God's emotional response to it is grief.
He's all these pained in his heart.
And you have a land.
This is the flood.
Yeah, the flood narrative.
But he selects one guy in his family,
a guy named Rest.
Yeah, Noah.
Noah.
Noah.
Noah.
Noah.
Noah.
Noah. Noah. Noah. Noah. Noah. Noah, and you put them in a little floating micro-edin, where is that piece with the animals,
which are all come two by two, male and female.
And then, on the floods over,
there's a boat rest on top of Mount Kars.
Do you remember this?
The name, error rat, is the Hebrew word Kars
with one letter, different.
Yeah, Kars.
So you thought of Kars.
Did I?
Yeah. Oh, what
conversation was that? You're such a good memory. I think it was about the on the trees of Eden
conversation. No, cars. Well, it's funny. It's funny. It's funny and Hebrew too. Yeah.
Mount Aura rot. Any cars. Mount cars. So he gets off the boat and we're told in chapter 9 verse 18, now the sons of Noah, who came out of the ark, were
Shem, Ham, Yafat.
Now dear reader, Ham was the father of the Canaanites.
That'll be relevant for something later in the book.
Verse 19, these three were the sons of Noah,
and from these the whole land was dispersed.
Oh, people are gonna disperse from these three somehow. What
follows is a story where Noah replays the failure of Adam and Eve, but in his own garden.
Yeah, plants have vineyard. Yep, good strong. And then he eats from the fruit of a garden and he
gets and he's naked. Yeah. Clearly all the key.
Riffing on images of Genesis 3.
But then that narrative combines the cane and able story with it.
Because then you get a story about one of his sons, who in some way violates the dignity
and honor of his father, the cryptic way, by looking on his nakedness, long rabble over
there.
But then he goes out and he tells his brothers and his brothers, I'm filling in the details here, his brothers respond by saying, not cool, and they divide,
the brothers divide. And so what his brothers do is they walk in backwards with a blanket over
their shoulders. And the narrative slows down on the scene of one brother goes in and looks,
the other brothers walk in backwards so that they do not look and they cover their fathers nakedness.
Just like God covered for the human nakedness.
In the guv-
The animals can.
Yeah, so you have two brothers who are acting like God,
covering their fathers nakedness, and you have one brother who's acting like the snake,
taking advantage of the human nakedness.
And it's a advantage of the human nakedness.
And it's a division of the brothers.
Then you get your favorite part of the Bible in mind,
Genesis chapter 10.
Yeah, about the genealogy.
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Really more it's ethnographic map.
Ethnographic map of the biblical world.
Ethnographic meaning, where's a graphic?
Graphic would be like, think a graph, like an infographic.
Like a graph, okay.
Yeah.
So it's a graph of where all the nations come from.
Of the nations, from the three.
Yeah.
So from the one new atom who saved through the floating micro-edin, put on the mountain,
replays the sin of Adam and Eve, through him, come three.
And then these three become the ancestors of the 70 nations of Genesis 10.
Do Genesis 10 is so awesome.
How long would it take you to convince me
that Genesis 10 is so awesome?
Yeah, probably about three hours.
But here, I'm just showing you a map I made
of the literary design of the chapter.
Okay.
It opens and closes with kind of a key repeated phrase.
It opens with the line, chapter 10, verse 1.
These are the generations of the sons of Noah,
Shem, Ham, Yafat, and there were born to them,
sons after the flood, the opening line.
If you look at the closing line,
these are the families of the sons of Noah in their generations
by their nations, because now we've...
Now we've traced them down to...
...phrase them out.
From these, we're separated.
The nations in the land after the flood.
Oh, separated.
Hmm, separated.
Oh, sir.
I mean, they're supposed to fill the land, but...
Yeah, which is means Yacht spread out.
You have to spread out.
We're separated, could...
That could mean just they're filling the a land and that's a good thing.
Right.
But separated puts a little more of a note of finality
on it, severing, breaking relationship.
What you get are three long paragraphs
that are dedicated to each of the three sons.
Let's start with Yafat.
Yafat.
Yafat, which looks like Jafeth.
Oh, Jafeth.
That's how we often say it in English.
So what you first get are the seven sons of japheth.
Then after that, you get seven grand sons of japheth,
and then a conclusion in verse five.
What you're gonna see is this is a highly schematized ethnographic map.
Yeah.
Where the number seven plays a key role.
Imagine that.
Imagine that.
Most of these nations fill out people
on the north or west of the Mediterranean Sea. Look at the conclusion in verse five.
From these 14 are separated the islands of the nations in their lands, each into their language,
into their family, by their nations. Where did you say these were? Oh, for the most part, here's this interesting.
These are naming people,
because they'll be like,
and Yafa gave birth to our father and so on and so.
But each of these names refers to a geographical region
where people who go by that name exist.
So Goma, Yavan, Yavan is Greece.
So Hebrew word for Greece.
Oh.
Ashkenaz with...
Ashkenaz.
The Hebrew word for essentially what we would call Eastern Europe.
Yeah.
The Kittim is Italy.
Oh.
Kind of the far Mediterranean from Israel.
Correct.
The islands, like the coastlands.
Yeah, because you gotta go through the Mediterranean to get to them.
Yeah.
It's essentially the wider Mediterranean world.
Correct.
Is what Yafat represents.
Okay, okay.
And notice the categories here, these are the nations,
each and their language by their family, by their nation.
Yeah.
We're building out the biblical world right here.
These are all the characters we're gonna play a role
in the rest of the biblical story.
Really?
All of them?
Yeah, they all get brought up.
Some of them play more important roles than others. Starting
verse 6, you get, these are the sons of ham. Ham has four sons. Kush, which is what we
would call Ethiopia. Egypt. It's an easy one. Yep. Put. I needed to do more homework on
Put and Canaan. So essentially the geographical regions. Egyptians, Cushites, Cainites.
Yeah, so kind of the Puthites.
Northern Africa into the Levant,
or the Canaan.
And then Canaan, like the land that will be promised Abraham.
Then you get the seven sons and grandsons of Cush,
the first born of Ham.
Then the genealogy stops and you get
a narrative. We'll come back to that narrative. We continue on, verse 13, with seven sons of Egypt.
Sorry, and these seven sons of Kushe and Egypt, they're also people groups.
They're naming tribes. They're naming tribes.
Whole tribes of people. Yep. And then you get, in verses 15 to 18, the 12 sons of Canaan.
Got it.
These are tribes in the land.
Yep.
And these are all the famous list of Canaanites.
Yeah.
The Hittites, the Gempsites, the Amorites.
Or the Promisland.
The Gurgersites, the Hiwites, the Archites, the Sinites, the Arvidites, the Semarites,
the Hamathites, and the Canaanites.
Yep.
Then you get another narrative about the borders of Canaan, because that's going to be
really important once you come into the story of Abraham and Joshua.
And then here's the conclusion, these are the sons of ham,
into their families, into their languages,
in their lands by their nations.
Last son left?
Shem.
Shem.
Shemites, before we get the words, semites are Semitic.
Oh, okay.
Comes from Shem.
It's also the Hebrew word name. I thought Canaanites are Semitic, it's also the Hebrew word name.
I thought Canaanites were Semitic people.
Canaanites spoke a Semitic dialect, but at least in this accounting they're not of the Semitic line.
What you get after being introduced to Shem, who's the father of all of the sons of ever, which is the word Hebrew.
The word Hebrew in English English pronunciation, comes from, name, ever.
If you'll see ever in the Bible, e-b-e-r, Hebrew, hever, hever, hever.
Oh, interesting.
Sons of ever, that's a Hebrew.
Sons of ever is Hebrews.
Then you get, shem's 12 sons.
You get a list of 12 sons and then you get 14 descendants of Hebrew, of a guy named Ever.
Then Shem's line draws to a close verse 31. These are the sons of Shem and their kind of Mesopotamian, or...
Yes, yeah.
Alam, Ashur, Aram, Uzz, they're all to the north and to the east.
Yep.
So let's just pause.
So this ethnographic map consists of 70 people.
That's an important number.
And they're all divided up into multiples.
Where is that important number again?
Oh, it's combining the key numbers of Genesis 1,
which is 7 and 10.
Oh.
7, 10, or 7 times 10, 70.
These are all very significant numbers,
but they're images of completeness.
Okay.
So let me first quote in his Rayleigh Scholar,
Nehem Sarna, you'll find him on the top of the next page.
He's got a just kind of a nice summer here.
He says, the people's listed in Genesis 10,
amount precisely to 70.
There are 14 Japhithites,
30 Hamites and 26 Shemites.
The figure 70, even if not explicitly given,
can hardly be fortuitous.
Mm-hmm.
The mere recognition in verse five
of the existence of additional unnamed coastal nations.
So I didn't draw attention to this, but after you get the list of 14 sons of Yafat or grandsons,
verse 5 in the summary comes along and it said,
from these, the islands or the coastal hens of the nations were separated into their lands. So in other words, verse 5 is acknowledging there are more nations connected to...
Yeah, there's more out there.
...Day 5th than the 14 I just named, which means these 14 are selected out of a larger
pool to create the number 70.
So we said that verse 5, naming that there are other nations aren't not named here,
length significant to the enumeration, back to Nehamsana, that the number is deliberately chosen.
In the biblical world, the number 70 is typological. It's a rhetorical effect
that evokes the idea of totality,
comprehensiveness on a large scale, as opposed to the use of seven for completeness on a smaller scale.
So according to Genesis 46, the whole household of Jacob that went down to Egypt,
70 people, the representatives of the whole community of Israel in the wilderness,
70 elders, and so on.
And so when you need even a bigger level of completeness, you go 70 times seven.
Yeah, totally. Yeah, exactly right, like Daniel.
And Daniel, yeah.
So he says, in line of this convention, one may safely assume that making the offspring
of Noah's sons total 70, it's a literary device, conveying the notion of the totality
of the human family.
How did we get where we're at?
That's right. To me, this was path.
That's why I'm quoting this.
Sarnas says, this device affords an insight
into a major function of this table,
a document far unparalleled in the ancient world.
And that's true.
There are lots of genealogies.
There are lots of listing names of where people live.
But something this artistically crafted and trying to account
through the number 70 for the whole like Mediterranean and Middle East.
Which is the world as far as anyone living there is concerned.
Totally. That's right. It's unique. He says this document is no mere academic exercise.
It affirms, first of all, a common origin and the absolute unity of humankind.
Which we take for granted in sense of DNA.
Thank you.
And we could all get traced back to the same set of grandparents.
Yes, that's true.
This was not taken for granted in the ancient world.
That was not taken.
No.
Yeah.
Core to the national mythology of many people groups was that they are the real humanity
that comes from the gods and the rest of the people are subhuman, so on.
So this is saying every human you meet all goes back to one common source that is the
image of God through Noah.
Thank you for drawing attention to that.
We take that for granted because of living post genome project. But even before then. Yeah.
And also it's because we're living a culture that has this story as it's heritage.
Yes. We're shaped by a culture that is living in the light of...
But imagine this was wrong. The biblical story. Right? Right.
Yeah.
I mean, it turns out this is true.
Yes.
But we know because we can look at DNA
and we figure that out.
Correct.
And it does get messy back there with species.
Whether there was like,
there's only Andretal blood in each of us.
Interbreeding and with the Anastasians.
But the point is, yeah, that's right.
Yeah, you can trace the line now.
That was not the case.
You know, I could do a lot more homework here, but I know that this is a thing.
I remember, I think it might be predecessors of the Greeks had a mythology that they
are the ones that came from the dirt and were created by the gods and that everybody
else comes from some other source.
And therefore it gives them the right to subdue and conquer everybody else.
Yeah, and being charged charge. Yeah, sounds great. So, so back to Sarna, he's saying one main point
that we might take for granted, but that shouldn't go unnoticed, is it's affirming the common
origin and unity of the human race. He says then, it tacitly, but effectively asserts that all the varied instrumentalities of human divisiveness,
they're all secondary to the essential unity of the international community, which constitutes
the family of man. Genesis 10 is claiming that all humanity is unified going back to a common origin. Second, it's implicitly.
In other words, not directly, but by affirming that unity,
what it's claiming is that all of the ways that we divide ourselves up from each other
is all secondary to our real unity, which is the family of humanity.
The family of humanity. That's what we should call the video. Oh, huh the family of humanity. Yeah, the family of humanity.
That's what we should call the video.
Oh, huh.
Family of humanity.
Which is the family of God.
If you believe in the image of God,
that means the family of God.
The family of humanity is the family of God.
So now I've said look, the two have become one and you have many. And the problem is now you have many and will these many become one?
That seems impossible.
They're all separating from each other.
Right. Oh and notice they all have different languages.
We're doing it.
At the end of each summary, each of the sums, they have different languages.
Wait a minute.
It's a little hiccup.
I thought they all got off the boat.
You tell me they surely were speaking the same language on the arc.
So how did we get from those three sums to all these nations? Yes, it's two generations.
To get to the different languages?
Surely there's more to the story.
Wait, how do, um, that's a rebel hole.
Okay, so let's go back to that little narrative
in the list of the sons of Ham.
Okay.
Interesting narrative.
Starts in verse 8.
Okay.
Now here's the thing, uh, Kush, who was the first born of ham.
He had a son, and that son's name was Nimrod.
Nimrod.
The warrior, right?
Oh, well, it's this Hebrew word, the same Hebrew letters that spell the Hebrew word rebel.
Rebel.
Yeah, rebel.
And here's the thing.
You remember those, when the sons of God violated the boundary of the heavens and had sex with human women?
Yeah, and
I wasn't there, but I've read about it. Okay, and that story they bore sons for them and those sons were called the Ghiborem.
The violent mighty ones, violent warriors. Oh, that's where I'm getting warriors. Yeah, Giborem. You know, here's the thing, Nimrod, he was one of those,
says verse eight.
He was a Gibore, a mighty warrior on the land.
Verse nine, not only was he a Gibore, a warrior of humans,
he was an animal slayer before Yahweh,
this mighty violent animal slayer before Yahweh.
In fact, here's the thing, says verse 9,
everybody around here loves to say this guy's name.
His name has turned into a famous saying.
You know, let's say we're hunting elk and you, you know, fire a shot from a hundred yards.
And you nail it.
And you nail it.
And you know what everybody would say?
You're like Nimbron, that violent animal slayer
before Yahweh.
We need to start doing that.
Like Nimrod.
Every time we nail a three pointer.
Like Nimrod!
Like Nimrod!
This is so funny.
Why are we being told this information?
Well, actually, okay, here's why we're being told this information. You know, here's the thing
um the beginning of uh Nimrod's kingdom he started building an empire the first kingdom empire
Nimrod did and the name of that kingdom Babylon Babylon and
Erich and Akkad and Kalna all over there in the east and the land of Shinar.
And here's what he did after building that empire.
He went forth from that land to the north and he built another empire called Assyria.
That's quite a resume.
You know, it's capital city, he built Nineveh and then also Rechovotir, which means huge city. And Kala, and
resin between Nineveh and Kala, the great city. And then it just goes back to the genealogy.
And you're just like, what? Yeah, what? Okay. So first of all, guys named
Rebel who, uh, who's also Guy's named Rebel, who...
He was also a violent warrior.
A violent warrior like...
And also a good hunter.
But a great hunter,
so that everybody loves to say his name.
He has a great name.
He has a great name.
Remember when we talked about how that name became...
Yes.
A put down?
You sent me an article.
Yeah.
It became a put down.
Yeah.
Because of Elmer Fud.
Elmer Fud.
Because he was a hunter.
He was a hunter.
And Bugs Bunny would call him Nimrod.
Bugs Bunny made fun of him, calling him Nimrod.
Well, he called him Nimrod, which means hunter.
Yeah.
But he was always making fun of him.
So now every time you hear the word Nimrod,
you think of it as an insult.
Because an insult.
Which is like the ultimate.
Oh, it's so good.
It's like the ultimate tragic inversion. Because the whole point is to celebrate that name when you, yeah, when you score a touchdown. Now his name means like idiot idiot.
What if like the name Tim
became the word for idiot in some other culture. Yeah, that'd be unfortunate. Probably does.
Anyhow, so what's this narrative do?
Why is it here?
Well, here's the thing is this table of nations also raised the issue of all these nations
are separated now.
This is giving us the result of some great separation and they're all speaking different
languages.
And then buried in the middle of that is this narrative about the origins of Babylon
comes from a violent warrior
who has a great name.
Yeah, and then all of these cities in Mesopotamia
basically, that he founded.
That he founded.
Yep.
What's the next story after Genesis 10?
It's the story about the building of the city
in Tower of Babylon.
So Genesis 10 and 11 are actually out of chronological order, but it's great storytelling order. So the sons of Noah get off the boat, you're presented with them, and you're just like,
oh no, they're being fruitful and multiplying, but they're all divided now, and they're all
speaking different languages.
How will the many be one?
Well, it almost seems like 10 and 11 are in the same way
of Genesis 1 and 2.
It's like, they're both accounts of division of humanity.
Yes, that's right, that's right.
But they're separate, companion accounts
that if you try to merge them together, they break.
That's right.
Because in Genesis 10, they're speaking different languages.
Yeah, they're already, that's right. In Genesis 11, they all speak the same break. That's right. Because in Genesis 10, they speak in different languages. Yeah, they're already
That's right. In Genesis 11, they all speak the same language. That's right. It's as if I think Genesis 11 the story of Babylon
It's like a flashback. It's like you tell the story forward to a result to say how did we get here? Then the next narrative offers
The information. But still if you try to merge these it feels like it doesn't work. No, that's right.
Genesis 10 tells you about Nimrod building Babylon.
Yeah, and in Genesis 11, it's all of mankind building Babylon.
Well, okay, let's look at it.
So Genesis 11 begins by saying, now listen, all of the land had the same lip and unified
words.
The phrase, the same word, it's the word one in plural.
It's impossible in English.
It's translated same, but it's the Hebrew number one.
Okay.
They had one language and one word.
They're one.
Remember all the way back?
We got off the boat.
Everybody was one.
But they all was journeyed east.
And they found this nice floodplain, river delta,
in the land of Shinar.
Which is where like the most ancient civilization existed.
Yeah, it's where the first cities were built.
Sumer.
Sumerian.
Yeah, where the Tigris and Euphrates create this gigantic
river delta valley, super rich soil,
and empties into the Persian Gulf.
So everybody said to one another, oh no, excuse me,
each one said to his companion.
They got companions even.
Exactly, so it's even, it's saying like, yeah, they're one.
They have one language, they're one,
everybody's got their buddy.
Yeah.
Each one said to his buddy.
They're working together.
Yeah, yeah. Come on, Let's make bricks. The word
bricks is the letters of the word Babylon swapped around. Oh really? Yeah. And let
us burn them thoroughly. That's how you make bricks. Yeah. And so they made
bricks, which again is the word the word, babelons crumbled. For instead of stone, instead of stacking stones,
they started mass producing these nice bricks
that fit tightly together.
Technology, man.
Taking the snack level.
Then they said, come, let's build for ourselves a city.
Remember who built the first city?
Kane.
Kane.
And let's build ourselves a tower whose head,
it's the Hebrew word for head, whose head is in the skies.
Really tall.
Really tall, with head in the skies.
Yeah.
And because we got this new technology,
we can get this thing.
So you have a unified humanity creating
their own city with its head in the skies.
And let us make for ourselves a shem, a name.
If we don't, here's what will happen.
We are going to get scattered all over the face of the land.
So it's this interesting tension where be fruitful and multiply, of the land. So it's this interesting tension
where be fruitful and multiply, fill the land.
So that is going to involve going out.
So unity can't mean that we all just stay in one place.
Because we can need to fill the land.
We're going to have to go out, but I guess the question is
how can we all go out and be multiply, but yet be one?
That's interesting to go back to that call of what does it mean to be the image of God?
Yeah.
To multiply and do the earth and spread out and fill it because to spread you would expect
division.
At least physical division in terms of distance.
Yeah, of distance.
But to do that while maintaining unity and the human family.
That's right.
And they're like, you know, the easiest things,
we just all stay here.
Correct.
So attach to a piece of land.
All of a sudden, a region becomes part of our identity
and oneness, one piece of land.
And now, all of a sudden, our name.
We will make for ourselves a name
and create a monument about our name
that reaches up into the heavens.
It's an image of they're creating a new humanity, but for their own name.
I think we're to imagine it's as if they're building a gigantic What? They have a huge tower and it has a head.
Oh, because that's not a normal turn of phrase in Hebrew to call the top of a tower ahead.
Not that I know of.
No.
The word head can refer to the tops of things, but I think it's suggestive, especially
because of the way that the author of the book, Daniel picks this up with the image.
The King of Babylon makes a gigantic image.
And he had a dream about a huge image that represents human rulers and empires, and
he is the head.
And then, Daniel 3, he goes to the plane of Shinar.
Oh, yeah?
The plane of Shinar is only used in any biblical story two times. Right here, and in Daniel chapter three,
where he makes a huge human image,
whose head is up in Heavens.
In Heavens, yeah.
And it's just like, come now, you know.
And all the languages and tribes
and tongues and nations are around.
And he commands them all to bow down and worship.
To bow down and give their allegiance to the one, the one.
It's the many in the one.
So here, humanity is one, but then what they want to do is create their own version of
humanity with a name that honors themselves and their identity.
We are the Shin-A, right?
Now, if you read this without already knowing that this is a negative story,
it almost seems like this is great.
They're doing it.
The only hint that this is not quite right
is that they don't wanna scatter over the face of the earth.
Sure, yeah, that's right.
The other thing that leads you here
is understanding the literary design
of Genesis 1 to 11.
Okay.
Genesis 1 to 11 is designed as a mirror.
There are three rebellion narratives, pre-flood,
and then three rebellion narratives, post-flood.
And in each case, the third pre-flood,
it's the rebellion of the sons of God and the daughters of men.
And there, it's the realm of heaven coming down to earth illegitimately.
Here it's people of the earth realm.
Trying to get to heaven.
Going up to heaven illegitimately.
And in both cases, you have these violent warrior guys
in the mix, right?
The sons of God, rebellion, results in the Ghiborem,
the violent warriors, and here Babylon,
there's no feeding back from Genesis 10,
the origins of Babylon's connected to a
Ghiboree. But the fact that they are seeking unity, you should be like, okay, well,
there's unity. Just that's exactly right. Yes. Just like it was good for humans to want to be wise.
Question is, what narrative, what story are you living out and telling in your quest for wisdom? Is it
the narrative where I will be like God and do what is good to my eyes?
It's not that our desires are bad. The desire for unity, the desire for wisdom, it's how do
we fulfill those desires?
The story of Babylon represents the human, short-sighted attempt to unify the human family. But here,
through elevating one family's name, right? Well, this is the whole world. Oh, I
understand. You're right. By elevating one culture and place and city, elevate
one city's name. It's people making a name for themselves. Yeah, well, it seems like there's one language,
one common speech, everyone's unified.
Great, that's awesome.
Yep, yep.
Let's build something awesome.
A tower that reaches to the heavens.
Okay, that's kind of a temple of sorts.
Yeah, so that's not necessarily bad. Ah, if you read the story out of the context of Genesis 1 to 11, it's more neutral.
If you're reading it in the context of Genesis 1 to 11 and then thinking of its
historical context. Yeah, and it is Babylon. So, Babylon. But then let's make a name for
ourselves. It seems like at that point you're like like, oh, okay, God's gonna make you great for his wisdom.
You making yourself great, that seems to be a problem.
And I think the head in the skies.
The head in the skies.
Even remember Eden was in the skies.
It was the mountain.
Right, so I guess the point is,
it's starting out kind of like,
oh great, Unity, but this Unity,
something wrong with this Unity.
Something actually really wrong with this unity. Yes, something actually really wrong with this unity.
Yes, I understand.
And, no, no, that's a good point.
Even with just on a basic level,
reading the story, just like it was right for the humans
to want to become wise, it's right for the humans here
to want to be one.
But then that oneness gets twisted into a self elevation.
Which creates violent empires and you get a guy like Nebuchadnezzar.
Totally.
Who this is basically riffing off of in a lot of ways with Daniel.
Yeah. Yeah, this story is crafted fully as throwing an elbow jab at the foundation story of Babylon.
Babylon's foundation story, you can, it's
public domain, you can go read it, it's called Enuma Elish, and yeah, it's
founded by the gods, and it's the bastion of all against all chaos in the
world, and it legitimates Babylonian kings to plunder the nations. And Genesis
11 is coming along saying, now a man, Genesis Babylon has its origins
in a misguided human attempt for unity.
So, yeah, again, this is written by a people group
that will have their capital city attacked, burned
by this people, the city.
Yeah, these are the bad guys.
These are the bad guys.
And they're gonna take our people into exile into the Babylon trying to assimilate us
into their machine into their name The reason why I wanted to get us here is we have this diversifying of the human family
with a common origin.
But then Babylon represents a like a false start of unifying or a failed and distorted human
attempt to unify the human family around the wrong story, which is elevating our name. elevating one city's name to be the thing that will unite us all.
It's strange to me, what do you do at the discrepancy of like in this story?
It's one city because it's the city, but then if you think of it in terms of,
well, it's a reflection on Babylon, which is one empire,
and it's about your cities.
Yep, that's right.
Then what you're saying makes sense.
But here in this story, it's all of the fume.
It's all of the fume.
Well, it just says all the land had the same language,
had one language and one word.
All the land.
That's what it says.
All the whole world.
All the land.
It just says all the land had At one language and one word.
So this doesn't necessarily mean all the people and earth.
Yeah.
You know what?
I need to think about this more.
Because I think this is telling the backstory of how you get the table of nations in Genesis 10.
How do you get to all the languages of Genesis 10?
And then you begin a story with all the land had one language, and then...
If you're trying to say Genesis 11 is trying to explain the origin story of all human cultures
and ethnicities and languages, that would be one interpretation.
It requires you to say that all humanity is being represented in Genesis 11, verse 1.
It could just be that a whole bunch of people,
that makes sense.
Mm-hmm.
Well, it makes more sense in terms of where it's placed
after 10 and how it works with 10
and it makes sense for the fact that they knew
that Babylon was just one people out of many.
Correct, yeah.
Yeah, you know, it may be because Babylon's own origin story,
it makes this universal claim that they're telling
like a parody, a parody version of it here.
Yeah, that's interesting.
There was an important study down
of this story done by scholar Jack Sasson,
a number of decades ago, and he does a lot,
pays a lot of attention to the word plays.
The Hebrew letters for B and L
are like
Riddled throughout the story and
That there's all kinds of little parody interconnections with Babylonian foundation stories. So it's very much
Trash talk
Trash talking Babylon. Yeah, totally
So but it's also becomes an icon of the human problem.
Yeah, right.
So it's doing both things.
Yes, seems to be doing both things.
I need to plot it this more.
So from here on out, then you have two,
you have an ideal, and then you have like the anti-ideal.
You have the Eden ideal, which is where the human family
spreads out, multiplies, subdues
the earth through rules it, but retains a unity in that they are all the image of God
together collectively.
Yep.
And you have the Babylon ideal, which tries to unify humanity around an imperial dream
of elevating one city's name into the heavens. I mean, I think it's a narrative about how human families
Deify their own tribe into the heavens and then all of a sudden that becomes can become a very dangerous unifying principle
Well, yeah, they could come and wipe you out. Yeah. Send you into exile.
Try to assimilate you.
Otherwise just be kind of.
Yeah, I mean, what else is human history?
Except just one group elevating itself,
legitimating its superiority and power,
and then conquering, killing, taking other people's stuff.
So reading this, or listening, this interesting essay
on how cultures create
ritual violence to subdue actual violence. Oh. It was actually a history of athletics.
Oh, yeah. Interesting. Which is essentially a form of ritualized human violence.
Yeah. So, instead of having all these cities in America be at war with each other,
we'll create these symbolic representatives
through our athletes.
Our sons of gods.
Yeah, totally.
Put on some helmets.
Yeah.
And then make them fight and hurt each other
as a symbolic enactment of our tribal differences.
Yes, yeah.
Whoa. It's ritual violence.
Whoa.
And if you think of it on that level,
anthropologically, it's very similar.
Most cultures have a form of ritual violence,
which becomes like a displacement of real violence
that destroys the community.
Like a way of letting the steam out.
It's like a pressure release about.
For human violence.
Fascinating.
It is fascinating, but even through that,
it's like these super humans become icons
of some deified identity of our city, and then we send them off to go make war on the call we call them things like the Vikings
On the raiders the raiders
And the dolphins
Do dolphins do dolphins are okay? They can they can stick up for themselves really Oh, yeah, they could take out a shark poke that bottle nose
Do you just make us stuff up now?
Jab to the wrist. The shark would destroy dolphin
Oh
God's response is to bring about the thing that they fear which is to scatter them
Actually, what God says in verse 6 is,
Oh, look! They are one! They're one! People! And they all have one language!
Now, this is what they have begun to do.
Oh, nothing that they plan will be out of reach for them. So God's
acknowledging, if you get images of God, who unified and did they start
planning? Did they? They might come up with the internet at some point. They
could leave the planet. They could call the nice another planet. And actually the
way the sentence is structured maps precisely on to the sentence that God says
about humans in Genesis 3.
Now look, the humans have become like one of us, knowing good and evil.
So, what I'm saying is this sentence is structured in Hebrew with the same grammar and
sentence structure,
as Genesis 3, I think it's verse 22,
which is, the humans have become like one of us.
Yeah.
The humans here.
That's Elohim.
Yep.
Knowing good and bad.
So that they don't stretch out their hand
and take from the tree of life,
and here it's, the humans are one.
And they've begun to do this.
Now, nothing they do will be impossible.
Verse 7, let's go Balaal. Let's go Balaul, the language. And so therefore they called
the name of the city Balaul because you Balaul the language. So yeah, Babylon becomes an
icon of the imperial dream to unify humanity under the ages of one particular city and culture that
becomes like the blob assimilating all into itself to elevate its name. And God acknowledges
that like, yeah.
Yeah, this is going to become powerful. Yeah. And yeah, I need to save it from itself.
From itself. Yeah. Which is what he does in the Garden too.
It's like this, you eat of the tree of life.
While you're in this state.
Yeah, it's no good.
It's no good.
That's exactly right.
It's parallel.
It's a design pattern parallel.
So it's a severe mercy.
Just like exiling humans from Eden,
the scattering of Babylon
Is God severe mercy here and so
lo and behold the genealogy picks up from the line of shim and
Goes down to this moment what that it calls with a guy named Peleg who lived during the division of the land
Mm, and then it breaks off through Peleg to get to Abraham. What does it say that Abraham? No, Peleg. Iber, he was father Peleg and after he became father
Peleg, what does it say that he lived in the division? Oh, sorry, this was in Genesis 10.
Oh, Jesus. Yeah, in the line of Shem in Genesis 10, it went forward to this line between two guys named,
their names are Peleg and Yachtan. Look at Genesis 10, verse 25. Now Hebrew had two sons,
verse 25. One was named division, Peleg. Because in his days, the land was divided. Again,
I think it's a little hint forward to the Babylon story.
And his brother's name was Yoktan, and then it focuses on Yoktan.
And after Genesis 11, we replay the line of Shem,
and when we get to Pelegg, we don't go through his brother this time.
We go through Pelegg division.
And then that lands us to Hebrew and then eventually to Abraham.
Abraham is before Pelec.
Okay.
And then we finally get to Abraham too.
Yeah.
So, 10 generations from Adam to Noah.
Okay.
10 generations from Noah to Abraham.
Yeah.
So, they're mirrors.
Genesis 1 to 11 and they're mirrors of each other and the Noah stories.
Abraham's father lived 70 years.
Yeah, and actually Abraham and Noah.
No, we had them at 70 years old.
It was from Adam to Noah, his 10 generations, Noah has three sons.
From Noah to Abraham, his 10 generations, and Abraham is one of three sons of the tenth generation. So Noah with his three sons
Abraham and his two brothers as the three sons of the tenth generation again
Highly designed highly designed and then God says to Abram a new
Developed version of what he said to Noah after getting off the boat.
After the flood, God said to Noah, get off the boat, be fruitful. I bless you, be fruitful,
and multiply, fill the land. And now you can eat animals. Yep. Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
but don't spill their blood or eat it, and certainly don't kill another human, because humans
are made in the image of God. And he told Noah.
They still have the image.
Now God says to Abraham after the scattering of Babylon,
I mean, how many times have we read these lines here?
But you can see they're a hinge.
Now, the whole biblical story now is gonna focus in,
like I think of a camera zoom.
We've been global for all humanity.
All the nations. God's got for all humanity. All the nations.
God's got a plan to bless all the nations.
But the nations rebellion has culminated in Babylon.
So what God is going to do is start working outside the
value system and the infrastructure of the human power game.
And if people want to build their own name,
I'm going to go with
some, some no name guy. And God says to him, leave your family. Leave your family.
A man will leave his father and mother. That kind of division isn't necessarily bad.
Yeah. That's part of the plan. Especially when they go out to join with
another to become one flesh to become
the origins of a new family. I actually think Genesis 12 verse 1 is a hint
back to and the man will leave his father and mother. You remember we you just
talked about how to fulfill the image of God be fruitful and multiply there's
gonna have to be a separation of distance. But then the ideal
would be, how can we be separated, but still as a family maintain unity? I think there's
something similar here where he's leaving his family in order to be a part of something
that will create unity. Verse 2, I will make you Abram a great nation. That's the word
of Genesis 10. One guy becomes a nation. I'll bless you.
I'll make your name your name. You're Shem. He comes from the line of name Shem, but then this becomes a great contrast to the people of
Empire of Babylon. They're making their name great. Yeah, that's what I will make your name. God will miss. Yeah, so it's inverting the power game
God says, I will make your new grave. God will miss.
Yeah, so it's inverting the power game,
where if the humans have one name in city
and have their head in the skies,
that nothing will be impossible for them
and that will not be good.
But God inverts it and takes a no name
and elevates it to them, the humble,
to the place of the great name.
Now, it sounds like the God of the Bible.
But not just for your sake,
you will be a blessing to others. I'll bless those who bless you and the one who curses you,
I will curse. I'm going to protect you because there's some violent families out there.
And in you, all the, and it's the word, Mishpah, clan, family, family. All the families on earth, on the land will be blessed.
So this becomes, yeah, the key hinge in the biblical story.
We've been at the many, and the many tried to become one, and it was a disaster.
So we scatters the many, and then chooses one, and now the story will focus in on the family
of the one.
We were told from the beginning the story of God's purposes with the one family have their
origins in the story of the many families and we'll all lead back to the blessing for
the many families.
It just might take a while.
It's interesting.
So if you stop here, you kind of get this sense of, okay, the human project to subdue and rule the earth, it requires unity
because to your better than one, some of these things are big projects, but when we do it
in a way that we want to make our own name great, and our own city great, it just leads down to
violence and bad news. And then so you get this, this germ of a new ideal,
which is letting God make your name great.
Through that true unity,
we'll somehow take place where all the families will be blessed.
Yeah, that's right.
And there will be some sort of new unity.
And so then the question becomes, well, how does that happen?
How does one family say, I'm not going to make my name great, I'm going to let God do
it, how does that create true unity?
Yeah, that's the question.
How is God going to do it in a way that's different than how Babylon would propose to
do it?
Yeah, that's the question, driving.
Because the whole idea is here, through the blessing of the one, there is abundance for
the one, and then that abundance goes out to bring abundance and blessing for others.
So that, through the one, the many, the many are blessed.
There was one family that was connected to the life of Eden, which is an eternal, unending
source of life and blessing.
You could see how this would be great news,
like a little condo of Eden.
My wife uses these Soaker Hoses for a garden in her front yard.
We used to have a front yard,
now we just have a little arboretum.
And flower garden with no grass,
but she puts these Soaker Hoses like an inch under the dirt.
So you can't see them,
but they're out there dispersing water to all the plants.
And it's cool because in the summer,
it'll just be like a dry day
and she'll just turn on the hose
and then 30 minutes later, everything saturated.
And it's like, so I think it's like that image.
This family's supposed to be like the soaker hose
of the life of Eden
out there among the nations.
And that becomes the drama of the Abraham story because he's not always the Soaker Hose
of Eden out there.
Sometimes he's the Soaker Hose of pesticide or of like weed killer or something.
I don't know.
He ends up bringing as many curses on the nations
as he does blessing,
and that becomes the drama of Abraham's story.
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