Big Bro with Kid Cudi - Kathryn Hahn SPILLS All to Kid Cudi: Hollywood Secrets, Seth Rogen & Roles That Got Away

Episode Date: June 3, 2026

The queen of 2000s comedy is HERE! Kathryn Hahn, star of THE STUDIO, AGATHA ALL ALONG, STEP BROTHERS, WANDAVISION, BAD MOMS, HOW TO LOSE A GUY IN 10 DAYS and wayyy more also happens to be one of my favorite people in the world. We get into her love of hip hop (you'll never guess her fav group!!), all her insane comedy roles, and the quirky tv show she loves the most. We go deep on how her label-heavy costumes were put together for The Studio, the weird sexual history between her and Seth Rogen's character, and the crazy places she found inspiration. Hahn also reflects on her relationship with the late Catherine O'Hara. Hahn is from Cleveland like me, so we get super into the way it influenced my work and hers. Get into it!!! Rock w/ our sponsors!! Sunglass Hut: I pulled up to Sunglass Hut looking for some summer shades, and honestly, it was a whole EXPERIENCE. Visit Sunglass Hut and find YOUR perfect pair of shades for summer. 😎 new eps of Big Bro launch every Wednesday 🚀 Big Bro is a Wave Original.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for more good vibes, tune in everywhere @bigbrocudi ⁠⁠instagram.com/bigbrocudi⁠⁠ ⁠⁠tiktok.com/@bigbrocudi Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Rees' Pieces, right? I know, but we're saying Resees Prices. But I think it's Ries' Pieces. Oh, I thought it was Ries Peas. Do you think? I've always thought that. Do you think that's a Cleveland thing? Yeah, I think so.

I think so. Because someone was like, are you saying Resee's Peeces? I was like, yeah, Riece's Pieces. They're like, it's Rees' pieces. What up y'all? This is Big Bro with Kit Cutty, a wave original. I'm your big bro Scott, reporting live from The Attic of My Mind. On this episode, we've got the legendary Catherine Hall.

You'll never guess how we met. She's a dear friend of mine, a hilarious and talented actress, and a genuine Cleveland homie. So kick back and bye about. See you on the other side. I don't want to call you Catherine. Okay. I've never called you Catherine. No, I know.

What do you call him? Hawn. Yeah. Welcome. Thank you. You can call me on this whole time. Yeah. I'll be like we have to, I gotta just be real with you. Please. You know what I mean? This is how we talk. Yeah. We're friends. Yes, we are. I love you so dearly. I love you too. You came to my 40th birthday party. Yes, I did. Yes, I did. I saw some teenage Muti Ninja turtles. We did. We had the turtles there. Yes, it did. Kind of blew my mind. Didn't expect it. Well, they came from New York. They came last minute. They all were. dressed on the plane. They were ready. They were ready to come and do their thing. But this set is supposed to be the attic in my mind. Everything on this set has something to do with my life in some way, my childhood, my upbringing, right? I wanted to ask you, in your attic, in your mind, as a child, what would we find?

What would be in your space? You would find a dollhouse. So that's nice. You would find a bunch of books by this woman, Laura Engels Wilder, who did Little House in the Prairie. Nice, nice. My mom loved that show. Oh, yeah. She watches reruns of that show.

Right now to this day, she loves that show. I love the, like, actual books were about, like, you know, it was, like, paw and, like, the family, like, going out to, like, make a life from themselves. and unlike explored territory and it's just like they would talk about they'd have this expression like they'd circle the wagons at night like you would protect your family from the elements

by putting the wagons in a circle around your campfire and like have the family in the middle and for some reason as a kid that was like so tender to think about like your paw just like circle in the wagons

and keeping you like safe around a fire so that would definitely be in the attic There's some ballet up there There's some not by me But just watching it I was obsessed with watching dance There's some music There's definitely a record play

There's definitely an eight track up there There's an eight track for sure I had a robot eight track I can't think of his name And you like stuck it into his mouth And then there would be like a lot of I don't know when I think of the attic of my mind It feels actually

Maybe it's because I'm in your mind Attic right now but it feels like equally as kind of cozy. Yeah. Yeah. It's like kind of great that that we both have like a co. It would be a bummer if it was like. Just an ice cold room.

Ice cold room or like a hoarded room. Yeah. Like it's like this room is for podcast. You know what I mean? Like a weird room like that. No, this is really warm. Yeah. That's how I came in this.

I was like, man, I need a space that feels like, you know, it's my energy, you know? Are you a hip hop fan? You are a hip hop fan. I am. I'm like, my brain is a sieve right now. But like I debt like so it's like, ah, but I think we connected over Farside. Oh, that's right.

That's right. That's right. That's so dope. And then you sent me running and I, and I hadn't heard it. Was it like that's an older one, right? Yeah. Because you were thinking about using it for something. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, man. That's so dope. You got to come to my show. I've never seen you perform live. I know. That's terrible. It's terrible.

We've been friends for 10 years. You've never seen a performance. But you know what? There's something that is going to happen. I have to see you perform. Yes, you have to. I'm going on tour this summer. This is public.

Okay, great. Yeah, June 27th. I'm going to be at crypto. Damn it, crypto is huge. Yeah. I'm excited. I mean, does that like, can you like step outside of it

and have it like blow your mind that you're playing at crypto like that? Yeah, it's wild. It's crazy. Yeah, it's insane. It's insane. It's time for me to see you perform. Like, I've always talked it up to you like,

I kind of love. that our friendship is kind of like has nothing to do like it kind of has nothing to do almost like what we do. Yeah. But I am, I desperate to see you perform. Oh, you would love you. I would just like

because like you said before about your love for improv and like you are like a performer. Like there are some people that don't have charisma. Yeah. I mean that's it. Bless the Grateful Dead but you don't need

to look at them. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Like, that's why they worked in the sphere Because you just could spend your time But yeah, I wouldn't say there's like a ton of charisma But you were like tripping with it Thank you, thank you so much Anyway, we've got to see you perform

So I wanted to ask you, what drew you to acting? When did this crazy idea start? It was like I can't remember a time That I didn't want to perform And I've thought about it a lot because so much of it for me is about the availability to feel things that necessarily I don't feel like I always am comfortable with showing in real life, if that makes sense. Right.

Like there is a freedom in being able to say what you want completely and be exactly who you are in a behind sometimes within a scene with somebody else. It's like a little bit less, I guess, opaque than it is in real life. Like, it's like clarity, I guess. That I love that feeling. Like, it's such a rush for me. Like, when it's your backstage and you're about to step into that space or right before action happens, like, there's this like holy kind of heightened, like magic bubble that you're about to walk in.

into and it feels like church. Yeah. There's something so sacred about the space between action and cut and the space that you're on stage that I grew up Catholic, never really responded to it. But the theatrics of it were really interesting to me. Like you just go to church every Sunday and you just watch him up on that stage. So yeah, I was always, I can't remember. It was like I would pretend to be other things.

Like I'd be like, maybe I want to be a marine biologist, but I'd always be like acting about. being a marine biologist like I never really was an option for me and I didn't like Scott I didn't know what it would look like I didn't know what how it would unfold right I wasn't thinking like certainly ending up here in this room with you like never or with the work that I've been able to do like I just was an actor and I'm it's like it's finally like I'm at a place in my life that I can just say that like full like full throated no embarrassing submit at all. Like, I'm an actor. And I kind of, that's just what I was born to do. Yeah. When did you leave Cleveland? I left Cleveland to go to college. So around like 18, 19, I went to

Northwestern in Chicago. Okay. And then I, after graduating, went to New York, was there for a while, went to grad school, mostly because I wanted to work and I wasn't getting any work in New York. It was like dark days and then moved, got a show and moved out to L.A. But I kind of left New York kicking and screaming, to be honest. Like, I really love living in New York City. Now I love L.A. I could not love it. I love and I feel really tender to this town.

I don't know if you feel that same way after the fires and things. I have a real tenderness towards the city. Yeah. It's been through a lot. Yeah. I've been here since 2011. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

A lot longer. Yeah. Yeah, I've been here for a minute. And, you know, this is my home, you know. Yeah. I'm comfortable here. Yeah. But like we said, I don't miss those winters.

My son's in New York City's going to school right now, and it sounds so brutal. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I was like, you're going to need more than a Carhart hoodie, did he? Yeah. He's like, I'm fine, I'm like, I don't think you are. My daughter's in Chicago, man. I know they're dealing with it all.

too. Oh, Chicago's brutal. Oh, yeah. Chicago winters is brutal. When I went to school there, the campus of Northwestern was like right on the lake, and we would get like bruises on our legs because the blood vessels would pop because it was so fucking cold outside.

Oh, wow. Like there was not a tree separating you from Canada, so it would just like blow over that lake and just nail you right in your, it was brutal. Yeah, man. I mean, the wind, when they say it's the windy city, They're not fucking joking. They're not fucking around when they say it's the windy city.

It's brutal. There's a reason why it's called the windy city. It's like you go outside and it's like ice shards hitting your face. Hitting your face. You just like are numb. Yes. Wait, did you ever hear the story that kind of blows my mind about like when prohibition was going on? They used to literally take cars over the lake to Canada to get stuff and then back.

No fucking way. Could you imagine driving in the. pitch dark over on a fucking one of the deepest lakes in the country. Holy shit. Miles, miles, miles, miles. I always thought that was a good story in there somewhere. Balls of steel. Cause like shit could go down.

Yeah, balls of steel. That's fucking insane. Isn't that insane? Wow. It's like a nightmare to think about. Yeah. Just hurtling towards like across a lake.

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Okay, back to the vibes. I wanted to talk about some of your iconic roles. And this is not really a question, this next bit, but I kind of want to just talk about bad moms. When bad moms came out, I was getting out of rehab. My family came to stay with me for a little bit. We watched that movie together as a family. And it was a time in my life where I was dealing with so much.

I just came out of rehab, So I was much better than I was a month prior to that. But I was still dealing with some stuff. I wasn't yet set, right? And the joy of sitting there with my family watching this movie was so awesome. And then me being like, oh, we're friends. Me and hot are friends. She's so dope, guys.

I'm telling you, she's dope. And like, we're all watching the movie and we're laughing and we're rolling. and I just want to thank you like for for that you know bringing our family together and and I wonder if do you hear that a lot do you hear fans come up to you and say like your performance or something you've done has touched them in their life in some way when I did this first of all that's really tender and dear thank you for sharing that with me I guess I know that was an intense period I can only imagine yeah vulnerable yeah it was tough it was tough But thank God my family came out and spent some time, you know.

Did this show called Agatha, this like this show where I play a witch? Yep, I know it. And. I know it. I know your shit. Come on now. What you're talking about? I did this show named Agatha.

This fucking. No, but I'm telling you, the second I just assumed something, that's where you get busted. But they, I, there's a lot of, like, like incredible young, very young queer women and queer boys that were really, really touched by that show, like, meant a lot to them. And so that is like, that is, that really like fills, fills my cup that that existed. And the fact that we could make a show that was like queer and women and women over like 40 and like all of that about. And in, in underneath the arm of Marvel, which was like pretty rad.

I feel really like proud that that happened. And that is always like that feedback has been really moving to me. Anytime somebody can feel like seen and not okay or like not as weird as they feel or feel weirder and have that be the most awesome thing ever. Yeah, feel understood. Feel understood. Get your freak flags out. Like I, that really, that meant a lot to me.

Yeah. I want to ask you about the studio. Yeah, please. Because this is my new shit. That's my shit. Now, first off, I've been a Seth Rogen fan for a long time. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Since Freaks and Geeks. Yeah. I've been fucking with Seth for a while and we're homies. You are? Yeah, he sent me. Isn't he awesome? I hit him up one day and I said, bro, I want one of your vases. And he was like, send me your address.

I'm going to see you one, but it's, it's, I got to be discreet about it. Don't tell anyone. So I'm actually blowing the spot right now. I think it's fine. It was years ago. It was years ago. This is when he first started. Yeah, now he's got a house plant.

Now he's like selling them, right? So this is just when he was just like doing it for fun. And he gave me a base. And he also sends me houseplant, his weed brand. Yeah. He sends me like houseplant stuff like every once a while. It's gorgeous. Yeah.

It's so dope. It's so cool how, you know, he had this hobby that he was just doing for fun. And it ended up turning into. this whole fucking thing. I think he has like a pottery wheel. Yeah. Like it's so freaking rad. It's the coolest thing.

It's so cool. It's like such a meditation. It must be so like, just so freaking rad that he's doing. Yeah, he gave us all like these like groovy ashtrays and like, I love it. Yeah, yeah, incense things. Like, no, yeah, he's the best.

I'm glad you got, he should do this. Yeah, yeah, definitely. We gotta get Seth on the show. For sure, for sure, Seth. Yeah. I'll be hitting you up. You know what time it is. I'm gonna text you.

Tell me like what inspired your character Maya on the studio? Like what like first off I just want to say I want you to dress like that in real life and just us go out and just kick it and just like go party. I'll have my blessing clips in my hair. The long ponytail with the fucking oh my God. Like using it as a whip. Like who's the stylist? Like how did you come?

How did you develop this character? We were like, well, when I read the original pilot, like she wasn't, she was kind of written as like just the antagonist to Seth's character. And then like the more we kind of like worked on it, the more we were like, ah, it's fun if they're like, all, everyone is like desperate to stay in. Like, yeah. If one goes down, we all go down. Like she's like clawing so hard on like the like what she thinks is like a finger on the pulse, the culture like she's always like a step or two behind.

Do you know what I mean? By the time the clothes get there from essence, it's like, it's like, it's over. Like, we always think like, it's in the past.

They're like, so we thought that was, we also like the idea of like labels on labels on labels and just filling up a deep, empty void inside. Just like putting on so many, so many labels. She just,

we have mad layers on. Just mad layers and underneath there's just nothing. She's just like, a total shell. And then like, sudden I found this like, I mean, we didn't talk about it.

Just started happening that like it became very clear that the two of them, Maya and Matt had some sort of really dark, weird, just emotionless like sexual history that they just like, they just have, they barely talk about. But it's always like, eh,

there's a warm body there if they need something to come. But like there's no emotion in it. Like, anyway, I love her so much. And our costume designer Cameron Lennox, like she and I, kind of came up like going into this fittings or like Christmas morning because it's like

it's so stupid oh man but it's got to be so dope oh no it's the most it's the most fun my I had to wear these pants we kept calling them shants because I was like what if I shit my shants they were like it was like a high-heeled boot that went into pants like you had to take off everything to take on it like these are so stupid but people wear it no a shat be wearing them again Oh my God. Oh, my God. I'm trying to just visually understand these pants. But you know what I mean?

It was like you put on. They're like connected to a high heel. So you like put the whole thing on. So their pants would just shoes. Connected to it. Like if you were like, you know like when there's like a stretch pant that looks like a denim? Yeah. Yeah.

It looked like that. They're supposed to look like a jeep. But they were clearly like and it had like pockets on the ass but they were no pockets. Oh, no. Do you know what I mean? It was just like, not great. Oh, my God. No, Bueno.

No, Bueno. What has been the feedback from people in the industry from seeing the studio? Everybody is very curious to know who we're all based on. Like, everybody wants to, everyone is either a little bit nervous that they're, that, like, I base them on them or, uh, it thinks they have the idea. And honestly, though, like, they're not one person because it's like, you know, when you get like a, like, like, all I feel like as an actor, like everything I need is in the script. Like I usually don't have to go that far out. And if I do, I know that it's not really going to work in the world.

Right. Like all your information is in the writing. And so I didn't have to go, like, it's just who she is. So I didn't have to go like that far out to be like, ah, I'm going to take this from her, this from her, this from her. A lot of actors do that. And I have, for me, it feels like it's hard for me to find the center in all of that. Like just the, like the uniqueness of this person.

kind of everything I needed was like in that script so like she um but a lot of people are very curious yeah yeah just think if they're based i feel some people are a little shook a little shook yeah well there's like a whole genre of like women that are like don't take lunch they'll have their stylist from sacks come over with like a rack of clothes and then you'll just shill out 20,000 and then just go back to yelling at people. I feel like that's kind of the Stanley Cup made me laugh too. Like she's always got a stupid Stanley Cup, but like just a giant macha, just nonstop macha.

I want to talk about Catherine O'Hara. I know we know she tragically passed away recently and it was hard for a lot of people that knew her, I'm sure, and people that were a fan of her like me. Can you just kind of talk about what it was like, like working with her on the studio that must have been such an amazing experience because she fucking crushed it she's Catherine hair was in she was like a north star to me like um before working with her like I remember seeing those Christopher's guest movies and growing up

watching SCTV and always being like who is that because she's fucking extraordinary and one of the reasons I always is like, there's always like, in all of her comedy, she's always like rooted to something really true underneath it and like kind of a weird, like a kind of a deep sadness almost. Like there's something about her characters that are like, always like felt like there's like a pathos to that. That was like, it's complicated, hard to do.

Yeah. And so I was always like, oh, that's, I love that. And so I didn't get to work on her, work on her work with her as much as she collaborated like she and eugene levy collaborated for like 50 years yeah so i can't imagine those losses and the loss like it is for her family and her hubby but and so i um i hesitate to even talk and like because i can't imagine the pain that people are going through right now right but i certainly um it's a great a great loss a great loss and she leaves a huge hole in that Yeah, very much.

Yeah. Yeah. The next movie I wanted to talk about is stepbrothers. Because that's when I discovered you. Oh, no, actually I take that back. I discovered you on Anchorman. Oh. Then I saw you in Step Brothers and I was like, wait a minute.

She is fucking hilarious. But tell me, what was the experience like working on that movie? I mean, I know there was, I mean, a lot of improv, a lot of riffing, just playing around. John, like, as opposed to the studio where there's like, very, there's not a lot of room for improv until you've like nailed it just because they're all oneers. Right. And it's so dependent. Like the camera is so dependent.

I mean, our camera operator is like an, like a comedy editor because he has to pan on the exact timing to get a laugh. So that's like a technically, technically like really intense show to shoot for the crew. Right. And for the cast. We're always like, oh, you just don't want that camera to pan and be like, oh, I forgot my line. Because like, you see the camera like coming towards you and you're like, oh, I'm following. But stepbrothers there was and those Adam McKay movies are like, you know, nothing but improv. Like you do it once as written and then you just throw the script away and you're like,

just get to like fall into the abyss. Like you've no, like how are they going to edit this together? Because we are nowhere near the script. Like nowhere near it. Like John C. Riley and I did a scene in a, did that scene in the men's room. And it was like, we were like, I don't know how this is going to cut to anything. It was like a whole different world. Like we had this like detailed like assassination plot like how we were going to kill Adam

Scott's character like while we were having sex like in the middle of it. We were like discussing his assassination. But it went on for 25 minutes. And I was like, why is this not in the movie? And then our AD was like, you should go over and use the urinal at the end of it. And I was like, yes, I am. And I'm going to use the urinal. But that's where I met Adam.

That's where I met Mr. Scott. Oh my God. Yeah. That was a really, really, that was a terrifying movie to do just because I just, I mean, Will Ferrell's mind is like the most open face sandwich. Like, it's just like, whew, it's so open. And so like any kind of, you know, when you're like flowing. And then sometimes if you have little voices in there, they're like, ah, it was a great lesson of like how to try to get those voices out of your head and be open because he was able to just like open channel it. He's pretty impressive.

Yeah. Yeah. to be around. What were some moments where you felt like you were really testing the limits of your comedy and absurdity? I mean, there are so many moments. I mean,

I've been in situations when my children were young where someone has come up to me and be like, hey, I'm going to roll you at a ball and shove you up your vagina. And I'm like, it's funny, but my child is standing right next thing. Oh, man. That's actually a great segue to my next question.

I wanted to ask you about your kids. Like what has it been like them discovering, you know, what you do, you know? And the shit that you've done, like, it's not for kids. Like, you know, like how do, how to, and you have young kids. They're not like, they're teenagers, right? Well, one's in college now, which is crazy. But that's a whole other level because all of a sudden he's like, he doesn't want to hear. Like, you know, he's now at a level of being like, oh, man.

Like he, I have said this like, but he in high school went to. a party where they were watching stepbrothers and he said i just looked at the screen and like i just walked out he was like i cannot be here with people walked in that movie i was like i understand it but he's in a film like he's doing film in new york so it's like so i feel like he's finally having like a um like understanding we've had a real good separation of like we've lived really normal i mean this i'm from cleveland yeah we've lived a really pretty normal like I don't want to say anti-Hollywood, but it doesn't really,

you know, normal birthday parties and trips to Cleveland. And so I think now that they're getting a little older they're like, can see like my body of work. But like I,

I remember when my daughter, I did a show called I Love Dick, which I was like, I'm very proud of it. But definitely like, definitely like when I was shooting it. You're like, This is a great idea.

Yeah, my daughter was like, you working on dick today? Like she'd be real cash about it. She was like, hey, you working on dick today? I was like, oh, I look at my husband. I'm like, oh, is this cool? This is cool, right? Everything's going to come out in the wash. Oh, my God.

That's a fun show, though. Yeah, man. It's crazy, like having your kids have to discover. Yeah, how's your daughter with? Man, beta. She's 15. 15. And it's crazy because...

I got she was like eight when I met you. Yeah, yeah. And when I... Six. When I... She invited me to her volleyball game one day. And I told her, I was like, I'm going to come. I'm going to come.

I'm going to be there. I'm going to make a sign. And I'm going to be in the stands, right? So I get there. And there's kids lines. signed up with vinyl. They knew that... They knew I was coming.

Oh my God. And I was like, first off, I made this sign that said, Veda, you're always my poopy pants. That's what you want to see when you're a 15-year-old girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I really worked hard on this poster. Like I got some construction paper, got some markers, and I made it myself.

It was really, really artsy and beautiful, right? but I told her I was like, Veda, did you tell anybody that I was going to come? She was like, oh, I just told my one friend, but she got so excited and I guess she told other people. And I was like, okay, next time. I was like, baby, you got to understand, right? There's kids in your school where I'm near Taylor Swift.

Yeah. And you have to understand that you can't just tell. Just one person. They're not going to keep that secret. No. No. You know? Like, so I was like, wait, this was in Chicago?

This was Chicago. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. And I had to tell her. I was like, you know, just like, be careful about who you talk to. And, you know, but I think that she has an understanding of the situation now more than ever than when she did when she was like seven or six. Of course.

You know, it's something that like I know I'm not going to fully get a chance to talk to her. about until she's like 21 or like a much older person. Yeah. Because it's like I don't know what it's like being the child of someone that's successful in the industry or anything like that. So like I'm just curious because sometimes I want to ask her like how are things like what is what is it like navigating your life with all this noise in the background, you know? But I know that like when she's older is when I can.

really have those conversations and then she can kind of express to me i remember when she was like six we were in cleveland and there was some there was some fans that this outside of this restaurant that saw me and wanted to take a picture and i was like i'll be right back i'm going to talk to these fans and i went over and talked to the fans and i came back and i saw that she was you know a little moody and i was like let me just ask her how she feels about this yeah and i said beta um How do you feel about me, like, you know, acknowledging fans when I see them? And she was like, it makes me sad. And I was like, well, why?

And she was like, because I wanted to just be me and you. You know? In that moment, I was like, okay. Like, I have to make a choice now. And I'm going to make sure that whenever I'm with my daughter, this other shit never interferes. Yeah. Like I'm going to do my best to not have that infiltrate this time that we're having. You know what I mean?

And, you know, so like that's my one rule. You know, when I'm with my daughter, I'm not taking pictures. I'm not trying to do it because pretty much you're interfering in her moment. And she doesn't live with me. You know what I mean? So our time is very spread out. And like when we have our time, we have to really have our time. And, you know, so that's how I kind of look at it.

And, you know, it's just one of those things that, you know, I was young when I had Beda. I was 26 and I had to learn how to, first of all, I had to learn how to deal with my success, myself, for my own life. Yeah. And then I had to discover, like, what it would be like for her and how to guide her through it. Yeah.

You know, because now that she has social media and, you know, she's online, she sees stuff. Yeah. And she never, she never hits me up about anything online. No, she never, like negative or anything. Oh, yeah, yeah. Even though I know she sees it. Yeah.

But she just knows his noise and she doesn't feed into it, you know? And it's an intense feeling to have your kid be conscious of like everything you've done. Like publicly, like, and not have the chance to tell her first. Like this is, you know what I mean? Like, it's a, see all of your choices like as a human being like kind of, good, bad, all the mistakes, you know. Exactly. It's got to be like, and I'm with you. It was like really important.

I didn't realize it either. My daughter wanted to go on a red carpet once and she did not like it that the photographers were asking for me. Like she was like, she did not want to give up her mom. Like she was really little at the time. But like ever since then I was like, it's difficult people pleaser wise

to want to take care of people with, you know, fans. But it's that like you were saying, It's the choice to be like, no, my family is like my number one, like protected thing. You got to set those boundaries. You have to set those boundaries. You know what? Because if you don't, then people will just be like, hey, yeah, yeah, hey, hey, yeah. Yes, and you'll get home and just feel like empty.

Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, man. 2016, we met. Yep. So it's 10 years. 10 years. And we met, and a lot of people don't know this.

It feels longer for some reason. Yeah, it does. Because it's, our relationship has blossomed throughout the years. Mm-hmm. You know, we met on a flight to Sundance. And I remember because I've never been on a plane where I've sat next to somebody that's also in the industry and the business. So this is like the one and only time this has ever happened. And like I remember being like starstruck.

When I recognized you, I was like, oh my God, okay. And I don't remember, did I, did I spark up the conversation? Did I? I was my first trip to Sundance. Same, mine too. And so I was going with a movie that was like very vulnerable to me, meant a ton to make it. It was like one of those like shot it in 30 days. Like, and I think we might have struck up a conversation and you introduced yourself

Scott. Yeah. I had no idea that you had. I had no idea. Like just no idea. And you were just like the, the sweetest, like most humble. so humble like kind

like awesome it was just like the sweetest the sweetest plain it was the sweetest plain flight and then your movie you were there what was the name it was with Chris Abbott

James White he did the music for it and that became like a thing yeah yeah and then I met you again at Scott Ackerman's show yes comedy bang bang comedy bang bang

which was a real freaking trip and that guy's amazing. But I remember you were, it felt like you were able to just like explore and like that show seemed to give you just like anything goes. Yeah. I mean, for me, like, it's always been my dream to do like sketch comedy and like mess around and do improv and things like this. So when they asked me to do that, I was like, this is great because like, you know, I've always wanted to do S&L and just be silly because a lot of people don't notice.

about me, but I'm like a really goofy sum of a bitch. You know what I mean? I love this is called Big Bro because I really do feel like you're my little brother. Yeah. I do. I'll be your Big Brother in this one. For sure. Let's talk about the Cleveland connection.

Yes. Yes. That was I think a connection we made on that point. Yeah. Yeah. What was that like growing up in Cleveland for you? I was, I grew up on the East Side. Okay.

Same. Yeah, you did. I grew up in Shaker Heights. Oh, Shaker Heights. I grew up in Cleveland Heights. My mom was a teacher in Cleveland Heights. She teaches at Roxborough. She was a music teacher.

And then she was a guidance counselor at the high school for 10 years. Shaker Heights to me was always like the, like fancier. Like it was always like the cool, like fancier suburbs. Yeah. Did you know that? Did you feel that? Yeah. I mean, well, I grew up.

It wasn't fancy at all. But a lot of people that weren't from Shaker that was like, the thing that everybody thought. Like, oh, it's a school full of rich kids, basically. Yeah. You went to Shaker Heights? Huh? You went to Hitcher Heights?

Yeah, I was in Shaker Heights all the way up to the 10th grade. Yeah. Yeah. So, but yeah, that was fun for me, man. I talk about Cleveland a lot in my music. And, you know, it's the city that made me who I am. Like, I became Scott in that town, you know. and I was able to, you know, move to New York when I was 20 and just take what I learned in Cleveland and apply it.

And, you know, New York is such a, like, fast-paced-cut throat city. You know what I mean? And, like, I feel like Cleveland kind of prepared me for that. You know what I mean? I mean, it's you got to, like, you, my brother and I used to laugh about, you got Cleveland, you got to keep it real. Like that was the name. That was like on a t-shirt. But it's true, though.

It's true. Yeah. It's true. Did you ever hear the, um, the ad for Cleveland that said, if New York's an apple, Cleveland's a plum. Did you ever see that? No. You can get a shirt that said that.

Oh, I'm about to find that shirt. I really got to. Which you always like, it's kind of a lateral move, like a lateral way of describing a freaking town. New York's an apple. Cleveland's a plum. That's, I'm going to have to use that for sure. And I got to find that t-shirt.

I love Cleveland's like slogan t-shirts. You know what I mean? All of it. Like I mean, I have such a fondness for that. I go home, my family's still there, like a bunch of my family. So I get, I go home like once or twice a year. Nice. And it's always like, I think wherever you grow up, the town starts to get smaller and smaller.

Yeah. The world that had been like everything has just becomes very narrow. Yeah. So I love, it's a beautiful, especially where we. grew up like those heights areas are so lush yeah and so gorgeous yeah but uh for sure smaller and smaller were you in like the cleave were you in the music scene in Cleveland 18 and 19 is when I started to do like freestyle battles and like talent shows and stuff like on the west side of Cleveland that's like your improv soul then too yeah yeah it was it was it was scary for me because

the music, even back then, the stuff I was doing was not like what rappers in Cleveland were doing. I had a very East Coast leaning style and, you know, with samples and like things like this. And

some shows, people would just be looking at me like, what the fuck is this? But then there would be some shows where people would be into it. You know? And so it was a mix of both of those reactions. But it never discouraged me when people wouldn't respond. You know, I would just be like, eh, like, it's cool. Like, I don't know much of this.

Was it like experimental? Like, did you always find it like your, did you always feel like? Because I think there's like a, like what I respond to your work is like the always feels like experimental, like always feels like. Always feels new. Yeah, I think those early years, it was very sample heavy. Yeah. You know, so I wasn't really exploring too much because I wasn't really producing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was, you know, I had other, I had to wait for someone to make the music because I didn't, I wasn't like savvy yet with making beats. Yeah. But when I started, when I did my first album, that's when I really kind of got more. to production, not actually playing things, but like talking to my producers and telling them specifically what I want, listening to samples being like, chop this up, put this here, put this there. And the goal was always to make something timeless and cinematic. I really wanted to bring people into my mind and show them how it works, you know. I already kind of know the answer

to my next question, but I'm going to ask it anyway. Rhetoric. You see, you see, you see, It seems very approachable and down the earth. But I know it's the Ohio Cleveland in you. It is. You know, but who else would you say in Hollywood is like that, that you feel is very grounded? It's not like, you know. I would say like we were talking before, I hate to make a generalization, but I do love a Canadian.

Like I really do. Same. Roken, Martin Short, all those SCTV guys. There's something about it that just feels always like, Just on the level. It's just honest and, like, funny and awake. And, like, I just really always feel like, and maybe it is because it's kind of like a tangential Midwest thing.

Yeah, definitely, definitely. I mean, everybody I meet from Cleveland or Ohio and, you know, it's always, always chill. Like, always chill. Not on some bullshit. Mm-hmm. Detroiters too, Pittsburgh. Detroit, for sure.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It does. It's just, it's just a, Midwest thing. Yeah. Sorry, guys.

Sorry. Some of y'all not going to understand. I hate to cut you out of the convo, but you won't understand. What is something that, like, a role that you would love to do in the future? Like, what, like, what, you've done so much? Like, what's something that you haven't really tackled? A horror. Ooh.

I just love it. I did one movie called The Visit. There's an M. Night Shyamon movie that was pretty great. That was really, that was like a into it. But it would be fun. I know you're so freaking good in horror. Oh, thank you. Thank you.

You came to the X screen. I did and I could barely look at it. I watched it through my hand. Or I'll do that or I'll watch it through like literally a bottle and then I'll go like this and ask the person I'm sitting with what's going on. Yeah, which is really fun viewing experience for whoever my day it is. That was me during weapons. I brought like my daughter. I bought a blanket and we were under them like.

and asking what was happening the whole time. Just terrified me. Well, Weapons was terrified. Was it so good? Yeah, weapons was on fire. So horror. Yeah, like I think like for next, like that's something that would be really fun. You and a horror would really be great because also you can be comedic in a horror as well.

Yeah, in fact, sometimes it's great. You can find those moments to find some levity, you know what I mean? So I really feel that there needs to be someone watching this that's just going to write the script for Catherine to do this horror movie. Like, don't fuck around guys. Come on Hollywood. You're gonna be my, you're gonna be victim number one. I can't be victim number one. I'm black.

The black person can't die first. Come on, Catherine, what? I called you Catherine because I was upset with you. No, no, I got you called me by my first name. I gotta be like third. In X, in X I was like third. Fair enough, fair enough. Like when I got that script, I was like, oh,

I didn't want to have you, you know, have to work. work longer than like a week we can have. I know you're a busy person. It's okay. I know you're busy. Shoot me in and out but make me like third. Okay, fine. Fair. All right. This is a movie. You got to write this guys. Crowds on. Is there a role that you missed out on that maybe you really wanted? So many roles. Like so many. It's like my whole history is like littered with roles and I'm like, ah, damn it. Like so many. Like you know mostly, oh yes, a business. I auditioned for a big one for me at the time was I auditioned for the part of Pam on the office. And I really, really wanted me in the office. Okay. I really wanted to.

And were you just like crushed? I was crushed. I had like made it to a certain place. But then I saw the show and I was like she was exactly who should be cast in that part. She was amazing. But definitely that was one of those like when you saw like a life path your life could have taken. But I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you if maybe that had worked out. Yeah.

It's all supposed to be exactly as it. that has been supposed to be, and is. Yeah, yeah. Do you ever watch your own stuff, or are you one of those actors that can't watch yourself? I watch it when it's done, but I'm like, I'm not good at watching the monitor. Yeah, same.

Are you, same? No, I don't fucking my monitor. Yeah, why is your, what's your reasoning for that? Because, uh, I'll get in my head about the performance. Me too. And then it won't be real because I'll be thinking about, ooh, I got to do this now. And I got to make myself look this way.

And I got to look this way to camera. Yeah. And I find that it's more freeing to just trust the director. Yeah, me too. And just like, look, if they're fucking happy and they're saying we're moving on after four or five takes, trust it. Yeah. You know, unless there's a specific, you know, if there's improv that you want to do a specific idea you have, then go up saying, and directors are always down to do another one when you go up and ask, like, can we do another one? They're always down.

But like, really just learning to trust the director, the process and not try to. to control things. Yeah. I feel like that's such a different thing for me because in music, I'm in control of everything and acting, it's like I'm not. Yeah. You know the last, I mean, you know the last note. Like in acting, like you have no idea with that last note.

Yeah. How it's gonna land. Exactly. Yeah. Every day is just kind of whatever comes out comes out. Yeah. And so that's, that was a learning. occur for me like early on when I first started acting,

just having to understand that this is not like music. Yeah. And you are one piece of a larger puzzle here. And you play your part and then you come in, do your part, and then you leave. Yeah. I'm so with you about the not looking at the monitor on the day. Because it gets me right into like a,

I don't want to be thinking about like anything that any wise. Exactly. Like, I just want to feel like I signed up for this gig because I trust the director. Right. Like, that is the A. And then B, like, I just think I would be like, ugh. Like, I would just, something would happen, either like, ooh, or like, ugh, like, that is bad for the performance. Yeah. Yeah.

Both things are. And it just takes you out of it. Yeah. Because I love, when the magic is flowing on set and you're in a scene and the shit is just happening. Yeah. And you're not thinking about anything. The words are just fucking coming out in the emotion you're listening.

You're feeling what their person is saying. It's hitting you in a certain type of way. Like that is the shit. And looking at the monitor ruins it. Yes. It's like you enter a fugue state. Like you want to be in like a fever dream? Yeah.

Yeah. You just want to be like somewhere else. And I'm so with you. Like that feeling of looking at a playback makes it flat. Yeah. Would you watch it when it's made? Yes. Yeah, me too. I love watching my movies. Well, you're a producer on most of your stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, it's like anything. It's like an athlete watching game tape. You know what I mean? For me, you know, I don't do it when I'm actually doing the job. But like later, it's good to look at what we made and kind of like see, you know, what I did good, what I didn't do good, how to make something for the next one, make it better. And, and, and, um, but, but, you know, but. But yeah, like I think, you know, it would suck if I didn't watch my own movies.

Like, it's, like, that's why I got into this shit for it. I know. I wanted to make movies that I wanted to see, you know what I mean? So. I am so, um, always inspired by your, your, your, um, the, like, breath of what you do. Like, that you're still like, like, you're not, you're never, it doesn't seem like you're satisfied with one creative avenue. You are such an artist.

Oh, thank you. The fact that you are as invested in that and then this and then your music and you're like, I'm always really crazy inspired by you. I feel like sometimes I'm such a one-trick pony. Like, I just love acting. But like, I look at you and it is so inspiring to me. But like, all of it. Anyway, it's a real creative turn on for real.

It is. It's always like, yeah, like just keep saying yes, yes, yes. because there's so many, like, so many ways that you feel that you need to express yourself that you're able to express. Do you feel that? Yeah, I mean, it wasn't always like this. I'd say for the first seven or eight years in my career, I was just kind of music and movies kind of happened simultaneously.

I wasn't, like, pursuing it, but it just happened. With someone like you've got to be in this movie. Like, you're... Yeah, somebody, my first thing was how to make it in America on HBO. Yes, with Lake. Yeah, yeah, right, right. Yeah. I always wanted to act, but I never, like, I always thought in my head, I was like, I'm a one goal at a time kind of guy.

Yeah. So for a while, it was both of those things. But it wasn't until 2016 when I got out of rehab. When I took a step back and said, I have not been living to my fullest potential. You know what I mean? I have not been. and waking up in the morning enthused about living my life and making the best art I can make.

And ever since then, how old were you? I was, at that time, I was 32. Like baby. Yeah. And I was just kind of like, I had this switch kind of popped in my mind. I was like, man, like, I want to do so many things. Like, now that my mind is not so crazy and I've been able to like work on me internally.

Like, now's the time. Yeah. Like now, now is the time for me to apply myself. If I had a script that I had been working on and me finding finish the script, I want to write movies, I want to direct movies, my own movies. Yeah, like, it's like all sorts of things that I have always wanted to do. I'm like, going to do it. Like even like this podcast, I wanted to do a podcast during COVID, it was like, oh man, a podcast would be so cool. Like, so it's always been something that I've wanted to do.

and I finally thought about it. Like last year, I was like, guys, we have to figure this out. This is something that's been in my mind. Like, so I, like, I produce things. Like, I make it happen. Yeah. Okay, so now it is time for the wrap-up. We do this at the end of the show, right?

And pretty much it's just rapid-fire questions. Okay. Fun questions, random questions, okay? Wake it up. What's the one thing you collect or completely nerd out on that might surprise people? Oh, I like little, little snow globes from airports and cities all over the world.

Nice. I have like a lot of them. That's like my mom. She loves magnets. Totally. From different cities. She's always like, give me a magnet. Is your fridge?

I'm like, mom, there's no magnets here in Tokyo. I can't find them. Wait, that's really sweet. She has them all over her fridge. Yeah, she loves it. She loves them. What was your favorite one in your collection? I've won from Belgrade, from Belgrade in Serbia.

Okay. That I thought was pretty amazing. And then one in Bucharest. Those were just like both. places I never imagined ever being. And those are pretty great. So now I got to keep this in mind when I travel. Yeah. To get you this. Yes. Yes. Because you've been in many. Do you know what I mean at the little like airport ones? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I see them all the time. I got you. How many do you have? I have 600. No, can you imagine? Hold on. Hold on, man. I have 1,000 239.

Now I'm disturbed. Well, I get multiple ones. I probably have like somewhere in 30s maybe. It's a lot of still. It's a lot of snow globes. So where are they in your? I was always like, I collect cats. Cats and snow globes. Where are they in your house?

Is there like a room dedicated to the? There is. It's all lit from below. Just snow globes. The designated snow globes. If you come over, we'll go over the snow globe room. We'll bring a glass of wine and they'll turn on the lights. Just look at the.

Snow globes. But why snow globes? Because I got it when I was like traveling and the kids were a little because it was like a cute like, I guess, chotchky. Is that the word to bring back? I love a chachky. But I think I'm going to, that's a great dog name. Chachky. We're going to chachky and hutch.

You've got to get a dog. Chachky. Chachky. Chachky. Chachky. That's an amazing name. It's a great dog name. Okay.

Joshky. Oh my God. Yeah, it was like a little thing. That's how I started. That's how I started. And then I just couldn't stop. Nice. And then nice.

Now you have the fucking snow glow broom. What's one iconic movie from your childhood you wish you could have started? Oh, E.T. No doubt. E.T. I wanted to be in that little hoodie and I wanted to have that friend. I really did. I wanted to be like E.T.

Phone home. I wanted to like ride on a bike in the sky. I really wanted to ride on the bike in the sky too. I wanted to go over that moon. That was an iconic scene. I remember seeing that in my brain just being like, oh yeah, me too, me too. And the Reese's,

I used to call them Reese's Pieces, but the Reese's Pieces. No, they are called Reese's Pieces. But isn't it spelled pieces? Recy's Pieces, right? I know, but we're saying Reese's Pieces. But I think it's Rees Pieces. Oh, I thought it was Recy's Pieces.

Do you think? I've always thought that. Do you think that's a Cleveland thing? Yeah, I think so. I think so. Because someone was like, are you saying Reese's Peece's? I was like, yeah, Riesies Peece's. They're like, it's Risa's Pieces.

I swear, I thought it was Rees Peecees. The whole time, I thought it was Risi's Peece. I stand by it. I'm still calling them Risi's Peeces. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Me too. It's got to happen.

Oh, like I'm crying. Ah. Tears. Coming up, who was your big bro or big sis? my cousin George when I first moved to New York he was like got you know kind of really showed

showed us like New York City and that was kind of my I would say like my spiritual big bro growing up for sure nice and still is and who are you big sis too in the industry would you think there's a couple of I don't know if I but there's a couple of young women that I've worked with

that I just think are so fucking awesome including Chase who's in the studio so I really feel very very fiercely protective of her and her, just, you know, her amazing talent and just like being that, being young in this business. Like, I feel like I'm big sis to a lot. Like Joe Locke, this kid I worked with on Agatha,

it's incredible. Felt very, very protective. Right. Yeah. What's your biggest moonshot? A goal, a dream, or ambition that might seem impossible. Oh my gosh. I was, I, sometimes, I know that it,

I can make this happen, but I would love to play the piano. Like, and sometimes I feel like, I know that why it's like a kid, I understand why instruments and languages can be taught much more easily to young, like, flexible brain. So I can feel myself going like, but I would, that's something that had seemed unattainable, but then even talking to you. And honestly, you're so fucking inspiring. I'm like, why don't I learn to play the goddamn piano? Just do it.

Just take lessons. I actually want to learn the piano, too. You haven't? Yeah, I want to learn to play. Yeah. But like I just have so many things going on. Yeah, honestly, I don't understand your schedule. Like, it's so funny.

People are always like, when do you sleep? And I'm like, I find time. Yeah, do you find time? I do. See, maybe I have a big sis to you sometimes I feel like that. Yeah, you are big sis. I do. I feel that way by you.

For sure, for sure. I definitely feel that way. But like I get about six hours of sleep. Okay. Like a strong six hours. Yeah. Okay, okay. Maybe seven.

Okay. Maybe. Seven would be ideal, but I'll let you have six. I'm sorry, Mother Hahn. Okay. I'm sorry. Oh my God. So I'm barely on Instagram ever.

Like I enjoy like dipping in and dipping out. And recently I, my husband sent me a reel and I responded that I thought I was responding to him, but I responded to the world. I just wrote, oh, so dumb. and then I just commented on to like I've never commented so like mother hon never never commented on anything ever nothing and all of a sudden just like random guy like mining his own business is real and I'm like oh so dumb and my friend sent me the screen screen grab of it and I was like it was from four weeks ago and I was like do I just remove it you get it's like you have to

remove it yeah you got to bleed it so this poor guy must have been like what the hell man just live in my life like why did she come on a note nowhere to side swipe me. Catching strays from Kath and Har just like. Ogg's so dumb. Oh my God. I don't trust myself with technology. Last question.

Okay. Who's one guest that you think I should have on the show? We said Seth, right? Oh my God. Yeah, Seth definitely you're having. Who would be amazing to have on the show? I feel like I would love to hear you talk to Farrell, because I just think that would be a really, really fun.

He would probably come in some sort of character. Oh, okay. Which I just think would be so fun. Oh, my God. I don't know if I'll be able to make it through that anymore. No, exactly. But I think that that's why I think that that would be really fun to watch you guys. Nice, nice.

Well, thank you, Catherine for being here, hard. I adore you so much. Thank you. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Congratulations. We did it. Yeah.

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