Big Bro with Kid Cudi - Kid Cudi & Kym Whitley Rank the Best Black Sitcoms and Debate Cleveland Favorites

Episode Date: September 30, 2026

This week on Big Bro, I’m kicking it with the one and only Kym Whitley! We talk about our high school in Cleveland, stand up comedy and some of the classic shows and movies that made us laugh. Then we rank the best Black sitcoms of all time. And you know we had to debate our favorite Cleveland staples.Kym is hilarious and full of stories. Kick back, vibe out, and enjoy this one.subscribe for new eps of Big Bro launch every Wednesday 🚀 https://www.youtube.com/@BigBroCudi Big Bro is a Wave Original.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for more good vibes, tune in everywhere @bigbrocudi ⁠⁠instagram.com/bigbrocudi⁠⁠ ⁠⁠tiktok.com/@bigbrocudi Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Wave. Look, Marlon, I will say I was watching the Wayne's brothers every week, all right, and you and Sean had that shit on, okay? In any episode on Martin with Sheney, Ney, I couldn't take it. Because Martin got a sister, and that's what's so crazy. I was like, why are you trying to play your sister? He got a sister, you don't act like that, but they look just alike. This dude was looking good.

He walked up, and we was like, me and my girl was like, this one, I got this one. And I gave him the paper. He walked away. I was like, oh, he had nothing in the back. He was good in the front of this. He was butt-necked in the back.

Everything was missing. I was like, Amigo, unless I had him like this. And we were zipliered through the jungle. I'm telling him I was tearing my nails in him. What you know about the, the Roman burger?

What you know about Mr. Hero? What you know about Mr. Hero? What you know about that Roman burger? What? What's good y'all? Welcome back to Big Bro with Kid Cuddy, a wave original. I'm your big bro, Scott, coming to you live from the attic of my mind. This week, I'm joined by the Cleveland legend, my big sis, Kim Whitley.

She is fucking hilarious, honest, and full of stories. We debated the best black sitcoms of all time and reminisce on our favorite Cleveland Staples. So kick back, relax, vibe out, and enjoy. Kim What is good Thank you for coming to Big Bro I really appreciate it You are a legend

You come from my hometown Shaker Heights That's right Like what the fuck Do you know that was when we first met When you came to the high school You don't even remember me That's right

Because all the kids swarmed you They did That is so funny You told me I forgot about that Because you weren't who you are That's so great You're in high school

Yeah you came into the cafeteria And everybody rushed you next Friday had just came out. It was the hottest movie at the time. And I did not know at the time that you were from Shaker. And everybody was just blown away. And you were just greeting all the kids. It was so cool. And I said, you know what, man? Like, if I get it on one day, I'm a link up with him. You know what I mean? So did you know at that age you was going to get it on? Man, I was making music at that time. In high school. I was making music with my friends at their cribs and, you know, and make a little bootleg, little CDs and tapes that I gave to my friends

and stuff like that. I had at 16, 17, when around the time you came to the school, I was, I was, I definitely had that dream of wanting to be a successful musician. Wow. I love that because it makes me feel like I had a little bit of something to do with inspiring you. Oh, you did. Look at that. Because it's not many of us. It's not. You know what I'm saying? From Clems. and especially Shaker Heights specifically. Yes, yes. So for me, it was like, oh man, like it can be done, you know? Like you can, like you can make it, you know?

It's like, because I had these thoughts of a lot of times like, why me? Like why Scott Meskiddy, you know? And I would say like, what makes me special? Like, why do I deserve that? And I would see you, I would see Steve Harvey. I would see like all these people kind of thriving. Arsenio Hall and they're all from where I'm from and I'm just like, man, this is doable. It was so inspiring, you know?

Wow. So I just want to say thank you. That really just, I mean, I forgot you told me about that and I remember going to school. Now, question, have you been back to Shaker? Yes, I have. And you know what it's crazy? You know what the wild shit is? What?

I went there, I was there for a show, right, for my tour. And I went there surprised my old art teacher, Mr. Holiday, right? and I go in there, I'm in the classroom, and actually before I even go in the school, because they have all the doors locked. So I tried to go in through the old way I knew how to go when I was in school, right? And it's all locked, right?

You've got to go through the front. But I wanted to be sneaky and shit. So this teacher saw me and was like, hey, are you trying to get in the school? And I was like, yeah, you know, I used to go here. And she's like, oh, I know. I know who you are. You know, they have a mural of you in the hallway.

What? What? I said, what? they have a mural of you upstairs. I can take you. No way. Right upstairs, right by my old math class, there is a mural of me.

At that time, it was half done, but it's finished now, and it blew my mind. Because, you know, man, you don't, I don't know how, I kind of know that I have love for me in the city, but I don't, I didn't know it was like that. You know what I mean?

I didn't know that people from shaking. were really like, like the pride that they have about me. You know what I mean? Like it just made it so clear to see that. Yeah. It just warmed my heart. It should because I don't have a mural. Mm-hmm.

You should warm your heart. We're going to figure that out. They really love you. I'm so excited because when I go home, I'm going over there to see the mural. That will trip me out. I'll be like, wow. Yeah. Because do you know who did the mural?

young kid he was a senior he was graduating it was like a senior project a kid did the mural kid did it oh yeah that's that's that's that's super dope you know so i'm gonna send him some merch some some some some some gear some signed vinals and shit i'm gonna hook him up because that was that's it's very flattering when i was going there there were murals of the beetles and jimmy hendricks and all this stuff say it yes and so now like you got me on the walls it's it's mind-blowing oh my god that's great are you in the hall of fame thing Of course you were. I was mad because they put the year I graduated.

You know what? Somebody sent me a picture and I don't know if it was the Hall of Fame, but they have like my picture on the wall, like my yearbook picture. Oh my God. Me next to my homeboy. And I don't even know if it's set up by class, but it's just randomly on the wall.

And he sent me a picture of it and I was like, what's the fuck? You know what I'm saying? That's so good. Because the last person was probably Jill Levert and Shaw-Mil Levert. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, man. And it's so crazy, too, because in Cleveland,

we would always drive by Gerald's house right there on South Park. Yeah, right on South Park. Yeah, right? I live right down the street on Shaker Boulevard in Portland. So I used to ride by their house, too, on the way. I mean, it was this fly-ass crib. Anybody from Cleveland knows this, right? Gerald Lavert lived in this fly-ass crib that had this big-ass gate in a lot of yard.

Yeah. And this is in Cleveland, right? And, well, yeah, it was Cleveland, right? So it was a notorious spot that every time you went down, what was that, Lero? Lero. Every time you went down Lero, to your right, you saw the gate, you saw the house from afar. For me, I was always like, man, I want to just, I want to know what it looks like inside that house. Like, I want to be in that house.

And I haven't had the opportunity to go there. I've never even thought about trying to buy it or anything. I never got in that house. Yeah, man, I want to be, I want to get in that house. because it looked really fly. Yeah. You know, but that's the thing about Cleveland. You could find some gyms like that around town.

Yeah, that is so funny how we both had those same experience because the people that really made it before us, we really were like, wow, look, you know, and can we obtain that dream? Yeah. And it happens, and it happens fast if you absolutely say, that's what I want to do. Yeah.

And you saw yourself, if you started music at 16, you had to see yourself at 10 and 11 doing music. Oh, yeah. See, you saw it. Yeah, I mean, we were freestalling a lot when I was a kid. Like, you know, me and my friends playing outside, 10, 11 years old, just in a circle. I was just spitting raps, just talking shit.

Not knowing what the hell we talk about, just mimicking what we heard on people's songs and shit like that, you know. But yeah, like, I had a question for you. I want to know, like, what was it? What was the turning point for you? when you were in Cleveland, that led you to move and relocate to Los Angeles. Wow. Okay, his name was, uh, oh.

It all happens because of a niggas. That's all, yeah. It was just one dude. No. No, you know, it's interesting because I have to show you this video I got on Instagram, and it showed all the famous people from Ohio. And I was watching it, and someone sent it to me, and they were like, Kim, check this out.

and, you know, all the old greats, everybody, I got to get it to your vicinity. And then you popped up. I was like, oh, and then next thing you know, I popped up. I was like, you just never, you know, you look at that. You're like, we're from the same place, like Jane Kennedy, all the people. So I definitely got to get you that. And I think about Cleveland, and I always said, I want to make people laugh.

My family is funny. Okay. And my dad has an architectural firm, if you know, in Cleveland. So my whole family is architects. It was called Whitley and Whitley. architects. They did Jacobs fields, the baseball field. They did the Cleveland. Yep, Cleveland State Stadium.

So you're a Neville baby. Huh? So you're a Neville baby. Wow. Wow. Wow. So tell us how you weasles your way into the industry. But they were architects. That's different. No, I was joking. I was talking. I was literally, they were all like, you can't go to

Hollywood. They wanted me to be an architect. I was like, I'm not good in math. I can't do that. I'm not going to do it. I went to college. And I kept saying this is what I want to do. And my mother said, once you get your degree, you can do anything you want to do. Yeah. So I remember right after that, I said, okay, I got my degree. And they were like, what do you want to do? I said, I went to New York to visit. I was like, this is not really me. Then I went to L.A. I was like, that's me. Real laid back. That weather, hell yes. Yes.

No more snow. That weather, everything. And I came out and my parents gave me one piece of advice, which was great. Well, they told me, they said, if you don't make it or you don't feel like you're going to make it, you can always come home. That was the best, because I said, I'm going to go out there, and I'm going to just mess around for about two years, kick it. You're going to strip or all the stuff. I'm doing all the stuff. And then I'm going to come home, but I got out to Los Angeles.

I liked it. I got a group of friends. And I started successes in, you know, in your eyes. Like I started getting, you know, plays, little things here. Then, you know, became in the commercials. And I remember I did Soul Train. and my brother was just like, she made it.

She on Soul Train. I mean, yeah. I would be thinking this same shit, Soul Train? Oh my God. No, I snuck in Soul Train and I got kicked down. So that didn't count. Yeah, so I would say that.

I think it was just that my parents said you can go do it and don't make it come home. Yeah, and that's the thing. Like I had a lot of support for my mom as well. And she kind of like at the airport, right? So I'm getting ready to go. She's dropping me off.

I'm taking my bags off the car. She gives me a hug. And as she's giving me a hug, she's like, you know we could go back home right now. You could change your mind right now. We could just go right back home. And I was like, Mom, I got to go. Like, I got to go.

And that was her thing. Like, you know, if you come back, you always can stay with me. You always got a place to stay. So I had nothing to lose. I was 20 years old. You know, I tried to, I did one year of college. It didn't work out for me, but that was actually where I realized that music was what I wanted to truly do, that it was my calling, that it could be real, you know, that I had a sound, that I had something to say, you know?

Because around 18, 19, you know, you're at a point where you're kind of like a fully realized human being, like you know yourself a little bit more, better, rather than when I started when I was like 11, 12, 15, or whatever. So I really had an understanding of the type of artist I wanted to be, the type of music I wanted to make. And, you know, at that point, like, I remember after I finished my one year of college, I was going to go to the Navy. And they didn't let me in the Navy, but I passed all the physical tests. I passed the written test, everything. But they saw my police record and they were just like, nah, you're a hot head. We don't want you in the Navy, right?

So I kind of left that meeting really discouraged, but then. I took a step back and I was like, man, you really want to do music. That's truly your passion. Why don't you just go pursue it? Like really, like go somewhere. And like you said, how you weighed out to pros and cons. It was like New York or L.A., right? For me, it was the opposite.

It was like L.A., shit, I'm going to need a car. Yep. I ain't got no car. New York, okay, I can take the train. I can get around. Let's do New York. And my uncle lived in New York. You know what I mean?

so I had a place to stay, you know. So, yeah, it's kind of, it's so weird to how our stories are the same. Same, this is so crazy, because we have those same roots that you would say that. It's the same thing. And I had a friend here in L.A., so I knew I could stay with her. Yeah. That is so good. But I want to ask you as a mother, I have a 15-year-old, and I want to know, because, you know, for me, my whole family, college, college, college, my son is always like, I don't want to go to college.

I don't want to go to college. But I said, what did you do? You did the year in college, but you said this is what I want to do. Even though this is your podcast, I got to ask you this. Yeah, that's okay. When you went to New York, what were your first three steps? Like, you're in New York. You don't know anybody.

You don't know. What did you do? Like, you're just in New York. What is the thing? So for the first, I say, year and a half, I was just looking for work. I was trying to find a job. That was the first goal, right? Okay.

And it was hard, but then I eventually found something on Broadway in Soho, right? And it was a clothing store. And pretty much they had clothes and shoes and shit like that, and I was a psycho salesman. So I did that for a little bit. And for a while, it was just about finding a job. The hardest part for me was trying to find, like, producers and other people that make music, right? So it wasn't until I worked at Amherkarmie and Fitch at the Seaport. in New York when I met

my good buddy, Dr. Genius. Actually, I met someone that knew Dot that worked with me at Amber Carby and Fitch and he was like, yo, we were freestyling in the stockroom and he was like, yo, I know this producer, you should meet him, met him,

and me and Dot hit it off, and eventually he made day and night and the rest is history. Come on. So it's like the way it happened, it was written in the stars, the way it every

everything that I did in New York led me to the next step like everything was all connected like nothing was just for the sake of it happening it always led me to the next step agreed you know and I feel like you've had that

similar experience right exactly that one thing led to the next and that's the one thing I preach to people networking when you're you're a closed mouth like if you weren't in that stock room or whatever

and you weren't freestyle it, your passion or talking, that person wouldn't have heard it, wouldn't have known, never would have met him. Yeah. The next person. So I think what we have to know is that we have to talk to people. We have to ask, like, when we were over in the green room,

you would dropping knowledge about movies and stuff. And I'm like, really just talking and you hear what I, you know, give me something, tell me something. But had I not said anything, you inspired me again. You understand? Yeah. So I think the lesson there for people is that we have to communicate. and talk about what our passion is.

And I tell my son that he wants to be a streamer. Okay. Are you talking to people that stream? You know, your mother has connections. All he wants to meet is some little boy, some little famous little boy. What's his name?

Ice-o-speed? No. Cos-knott. Is that his name? Cosnott. All he want to do is, I want to go to the university. I want to meet Cosnott. I was like, ooh, the boy with the stain on his floor. All I know is he got a stain on the carpet.

That's all. And I want to clean. The stain up. It's driving me crazy. I've got to clean the stain. Guy, man, you got to clean that room. Clean the room. Bring the room.

Bring the room. All right. You say clean the room. I can't take it. So please, if you ever have a chance that my son can meet him. And this way I can know, because what I have done is tried to open up everything, give him every opportunity to travel all over the world. Yeah.

I gave him music lessons. Exposing them. Nothing is sticking. All he says is, I want to be a streamer. But he only wants to be a streamer because of the Ka's not boy. You said he's 16, right? 15, 15, yeah. You know, he's at that age, you know, I mean, he's young.

It's like, you know, they see shit online and that's what's inspiring them. But, like, you know, when I was 15, I didn't have social media. I didn't have all these things. And I just had movies and music. and that was it. And that's kind of what really inspired me and made me want to do something with my life. But I truly feel like we're living in a different age,

and it's tricky being parents of teenagers right now because the world is just not what we used to. You know what I mean? And there's a lot of other things that are influencing these kids that we didn't have to deal with when we were young. You know what I mean? And so I just,

I find that you do have to let them lead and I think that that's a beautiful thing that you're doing by supporting him and you're not like streamer what the fuck is that like you're being open to it and like supporting him and that's all you could that's the best that we could do really you know what I'm saying I know what's scary because you don't want them to fail and you don't want them to do some math and read your book yeah yeah learn some French yeah he's still is school too though you know what I'm saying he's still got time but you say let him leave that was interesting yeah let him let him figure it out because maybe one day he's going to be like I don't want to to be a streaming no more. I want to be a producer. I want to make beats. The streamer thing can lead to another thing. You know, he just will find it through one thing. Just like what we're saying. One thing leads to another, you know? Like, I don't know. I feel like 15 is the perfect age when you start to really think about your future in that way. Like the type of person you want to be, the type of adult you want to be. Do they? Do the, do the, do the, do the, do the, do the, I definitely did. I wasn't spoiled, but I definitely, I feel like my daughter at 16, she's been talking more and more about what she wants to do. Like, she's, she actually sent me three songs that she produced herself. What? And wrote herself.

All right, Joshua. That she made on garage band and like, crazy dope. And I'm like, this is so ill for me. because this is the shit that I was doing at 15 over my friend's house, making beats on the beat machine, like on the fucking boom box and putting the tape in and putting tape over a tape so I can record over it. You know what I'm going to? You know what?

You know what? Yes. Squares on it and recording over it. You know, like that's some real old school shit. That's a old school. Y'all young guys don't know anything about that. I know exactly what you did. But like, yeah, it was exciting, though,

to see her, like, you know, she's not waiting on me to put her in the studio. She's not waiting. She's doing it, you know, and it's so cool because it just lets me know, like, a part of my essence is in this kid, you know. I'm going to be patient. Yeah. He did take a comedy class or whether this summer and he went up on stage with no fear and just improv, the whole comedy set. I was like this.

Whoa. I was part of all the jokes, though. I know. Now, that has to be, that's the zinger right there because he's like, you want to be proud of him, but you know, but all the jokes. It's like, damn. I'm just getting roasted, but I want to be, I want to be proud of him, but. Right, right. But you've inspired me again about, I'm going to relax. Yeah, man. I'm going to let him lead. That was a good, that was a good note. Thank you for the word, pastor. Yeah, man, because, you know, my mom, my mom was just like you, you know, she was like, I was like, mom moving to New York. No, you ain't. I was like, yeah, I am.

And I'm good and I'm going to do music. And she was like, all right, how are you going to get out there? I was like, I'm going to figure it out. You ain't got no money. I'm going to get it. And for like two, three weeks, I worked doubles. I had two jobs, serving tables, one at Applebee's and one at this fine dining restaurant. I worked valet.

I was a server. I was a busboy. I did every job in that fucking I was a hostess. I was a beast. I was a beast. Like just getting money to save up for my trip. And I didn't save up thousands. It was like 500 bucks, you know.

But like I had something to go out there with, you know, to get it on with. And it showed her you were serious. Yeah. She was like, oh, man, I haven't seen him really this focused before about anything, you know. And I don't know. I think at that point, you got to take a step back, man. when you see your kids have that fire in them, you got to just be like, man,

I just got to be supportive and just pray to God that my kid is okay in this big city by themselves and they're going to be all right and just hope he calls me. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? A mother of a son is a whole, you know,

girls stay connected to their moms. These boys, y'all have something else. Yeah, man, but you know, when I was in my grind in New York City, I was talking to my mom periodically but like it wasn't like every day because I was in my I was in the shit. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

The shit was real, you know? No, you're right. I don't have any good news to report. You know what I mean? I was like, I'm still fucked up, Bob. And I knew all she would say was like, come home. So I never wanted to tell her that I was still fucked up, you know. I'd always lie.

Be like, oh, it's great. It's great. I got a job. Don't have no job. You know. But I didn't want to ever ask her for no money. Sometimes I'd be like, Ma, can you just give me, like, send some money through Western Union. and so I put some money on my phone

and whatever I had a prepaid phone. Back in the day. I know she's proud. I know, man. Elsie is, actually, we had a conversation about this a couple months ago. I was like, ma, at this point, are you numb to this shit? She was like, what you mean, numb? I was like, just everything, you know.

I tell you about stuff I got going on now. And you're kind of like, oh, that's really cool. Like it's not like early on you used to be like what what you do what but now's the oh that's cool you're doing another movie okay is he's just so used to it it's not even no she's not surprised you know what my brothers told me like I would call them about everything I got a new show that just came out on Paramount Plus Varna on the Brannale Hill Show yeah so I call my brother's sister-in-law usually know everything is great they were like what is it I was like Barnail Hill Show and where is it you know what is it I was like Barnail Hill Show and where is it? is it. I was like, they used to have like family gathers. Everybody, we're going to watch. They call all their friends. We're going to watch Kim. I called them the other day. I said, y'all seen the show. Are we going to watch it this weekend? I called, did y'all watch it? We're going to watch it next weekend.

We're going to all get together. I think they become used to. They're like, we know. And then next year, Kim, it's going to be another movie. It's going to be another movie. And this is what my brother said, this is what you do. And that's what your mother knows. This is what you do. Yeah. The only time your mother, when you call her, she's going to get a little excited, you're going to say, my, ma, I got nominated for an Oscar. She's going to say, oh, that's good, baby.

I'm like, no, Mom, did you hear me? Right, right. I just said I got nominated for an Oscar. That's good. Hello, Ma. Am I coming with you? I mean, she's not, she was trying to get a ticket. I mean, she's going to expect.

She's definitely going to be my date for sure. That's what I'm saying. This is what you do. And she'll be excited when she's there. And she goes, oh, this look at the people. They dress nice. And she's going to expect you to win because this is what you do. Yeah.

You started that and you proved to her. When you say something, it happens. Exactly. She saw a kid become a man and he kept his word to himself. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And also, I'm the man I am because of her. Look at that.

I hope my son says that. Oh, he will. I hope so. Because you land out in front of McDonald's, huh? You and your son are tight, aren't y'all? You and your son are tight. Y'all close. We're close.

Yeah, we're close. Yeah. But you're right. Because he's young. Like, I don't know all the things. But I did say something the other day. And I was like, come on to people, talk to your son like that. And I did say, he was like, oh, you know, my throat's sore too, Bob, because I had the fan on because I told me that I said, well, you shouldn't have the fan on.

He's probably laying up in your bed playing with your little tallywhacker. I was like, I don't know. Maybe I shouldn't say that all that. Maybe I shouldn't came so hard on him. Maybe I shouldn't became because he didn't deny it. It was just like, anyway, my throat is so. Well, mother, if you must know. If you must know.

You know, but we are close. I want you to meet him one day. Yeah, I would love to. I would love to. You mean like when you invited me to your stand-up and I went down in the alley in Santa Monica and I waited the whole show and they come saying, We got a special guest. And I was like, it's him.

He's coming on. We got a special guest. I watched all the bad comics. I was like, I said, he knew, though. He knew they're going to probably put him at the end because he kid gutty talking to my friend. We all waiting. All of us down there. We all like, I said, they said, special guests.

They brought the special guests up. I was like, uh-uh. I said, maybe they have two special guests. Maybe they have a two. Boy, when they said, and good night. Let's explain what happened. Let's explain what happened. So I had, I had some days mixed up, right?

Well, not mixed up. I had an original date that I had. that I invited her to that I had to move last minute. But I forgot to tell her that I moved the date. So she fucking went down there and was like,

where you at? And I was like, oh, fuck. I was like, I forgot to tell her. We're in the alley at the, but I did enjoy the comedy show. I want to keep working it and keep building it,

adding things, taking things away, making it better and making it longer because now it was like eight minutes. I want to kind of get it to 10 minutes and like from there longer, 15 minutes.

And try to see if I can like, like just keep pushing myself. And you know why? This is what I think about stand-up on people like you, creative. Sometimes you don't do it for everyone else. You're doing it for yourself. Exactly.

The muscle that you're building, think about when's the last time you were afraid to do something? Let me go ahead and wait. Okay, so two weeks ago, I don't know if you saw this, Kanye asked me to come to Chicago

to perform with him on his stage. When he asked me to come, I said, oh, this is great. We've been reunited, having performed with him in seven years. This is great. After 24 hours, I woke up one day, and I was like, do, do, do, all right, I got to get ready to pack my bags to go to this show. And I was like, wait a minute. This nigga's not performing on a regular stage.

He's performing on an earth that's 50 feet up in the sky, and I have height, like, things. Like, I have a fear of height. Like, I can't. Wait, you guys explain that for the people watching at home. I can't. Like, I was so, and I was like. Wait, wait, explain what it is.

You got to go back. What's earth? What does this mean? So Kanye has this stage that is a big earth platform. It's like he's on top of the earth performing. So, and it is high up in the sky. It is like 50 feet up in the air, right? And like, he's performing up there.

And there's only a small, like, hard surface to perform on. And you have like a harness. harness in there, right? And that's the stage right there, right? That's what it looks like, right? And I get up there. What? Yo.

Kanye, you know. I was so shook. I was so shook before we went up there. I was like, oh, my God. So underneath that earth, there's like stairs, right? So it's like, go upstairs. Uh-huh. Go up the stairs.

And it's all the way up top, top, top, top. You go up the stairs about three flights. And then you're up there and then there's a lift that takes you up about like five feet. And then you're up there. You're up. You're fucking up there. Once you're on the lift and it goes up, you are up there. And there's like a thing that opens up.

You go out. There's a rooftop that opens up and you go up and you're fucking up there. And they got the harness. Click, click. You're on the harness before it goes up. They put you on the harness and it goes up and you're there. I want to be with you, but I don't peeve on myself in the chair right now. Well, I did my, I did the same trick.

I did the same trick that I did for the stand-up. Had a little sippy-sippy. Okay. So you're really about to fall off. So I wasn't falling nowhere. That harness. I was holding that motherfucker, right? Okay, good.

I held it. I tugged on it a bunch of times before we went up. Just to make sure. Just to make sure, right? So I went up, and as soon as I got up there, the fear that I had went away because of the moment. And the crowd went. And the crowd, yeah, like in the moment. And I'm looking out.

And then I was. cautious at first, right? But as the performance kept going, I got a little bit more loose and started moving a little bit more and doing more things with my hands and walking around the stage a little bit more. And like, I was so proud of myself because I was so scared before this and I got up there. And then it was like, I was not scared because I was just like, I'm up here with my big bro and we have in this moment. And it was just magical. Like, you know, but that was so that was the one thing that I, one thing that I was really afraid of in recent weeks. that I conquered, that I was proud of myself because another thing I've been thinking about is

like skydiving. Like I want to skydive one day. Kim, don't you want to skydive one? No, I'm not skydiving nowhere with you. I'll be on the ground waiting on you know. I'll have a champagne glass of champagne. Let me tell you. I'm like you. I'm not doing nothing. You'd have to push me off the plane. I'm not going to volunteer it. I went, what's the things called when you zip line? Zipline. No, I thought I wrote the Costa Rica, you know, I wrote the horse. horses up with my friends. I was like, we got up. I said, well, you know what?

I want to see how it looks, told the people, but I don't speak Spanish, so I guess they said I want to go. No. So I got to the first one and I looked at me. I said, okay, y'all had fun. They went. I said, I said, we're the horses. I said, we're the horses. You didn't know they go back.

I said, no, I got to get on the horse to go back. The horse is God. He said, the only way you can get back is straight ahead. I said, seven zip lines. I said, I can't do one. Let me tell you something. was half my size. You don't think I strapped on his back and wrapped my legs

around him and was hooked on? Okay? I was I was like, I was like, I was like, I had him like this. And we were zipliered through the jungle. I'm telling you, I was tearing my nails in him. Ain't no way. You were like, you were two times.

You're too tight. You're too tight. He was like just, my bad, my bad. He was like, he was snatched, trying trying to get me off. He had pulled him a wig. I was like, oh. The wig I had on a helmet, my head was too big because the weed was too big.

That was a lot going on. Oh my God. Oh, my goodness. So I am afraid of heights. So I couldn't, you skydiving, my brother did it. He lives in Cleveland. My brother did the skydiving thing. What did he said?

What did he said? He loved it. Him and his wife did it. They loved it. They said it was just freeing. You know, it's something. But you have to understand the amount of waste that I'm going to leave in the plane

on the way to the window on the door. It's not going to be good for nobody. The bodily fluids were not. Coming out while you're going down. But if it was for my son, somebody like that, I'd be like, let's go. We're doing this because I don't want him to see the fear.

Yeah. Let me tell you. Because he had a nerd to say the other day, he was like, I don't do roller coasters because I'm afraid of heights and I had to correct. I said, no, you're not. Where do you hear that from?

He heard me say that. So why would he, he's not afraid of heights. So I had to stop. I said, you're not afraid of heights? Where do you get that from? I said, no one's afraid of heights. He was like, you are. I said, no, I'm not.

I'm not. I love roller coasters. So, you know, I didn't think about that, but he doesn't like roller coaster. He said, because his stomach or whatever. But I have to be careful putting my fears on. So I was definitely afraid of bees. So I had to go to a bee class and everything.

I was like, I can't let them. So bees are all in my backyard. I would sit there. I will save a bee. I will take it because I don't want him to be afraid of bees. Yeah, yeah. That makes sense? Yeah, yeah.

We could be on this podcast for hours. I like talking to you. I didn't know you're just smart. Okay. He thought this is a dumb blonde. You know, who knows? No, tell your mom that she did good. I will let her know.

I will let her know. And please tell Kanye, you know, Kanye used to be my baby, right? Yeah. But then he got married and two famous. I lost touch with him. Well, no, look, we're going to connect. Look, I can connect you. It's my child right there.

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And I'll let you know. You saw that big word of you, superlatives. Don't nobody at home know what that mean. So these are just some options of different black sitcoms. And like, you know, for example, the first one is what show has the best theme song? Everybody sings Good Times. Okay, Good Times is one. Moving on my list.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What else? Oh, okay, I can name them. You can name one. Okay, good times. What about the Jeffersons? Oh, no, that's it. I said Good Times, but yeah, moving on up.

You're right. Favorite Black sitcom Dad. Dad was, what, Raven Simone's Daddy. Rod Dale Sheraton. Whoa. Sheridan, Ron Dale. Sitcom Dad. We got Carl Winslow, Uncle Phil.

Uncle Phil! How could I forget? James Avery! Yes, great sitcom daddy. Yeah. Which show deserved more seasons? You already know what I'm going to say. What?

My brother and me, because I was on there as Miss Pinkney. Yeah. And my brother and me was the very first black sitcom on Nickelodeon. Damn right. An executive name, Adrian Lopez, green-lidded, and it was the first one. But that's so cool because I remember because I was around that age when that show came out. Really? I was like 12, maybe 13 or whatever.

And for me, seeing that on Nickelodeon at the time, seeing someone that looks like me, and then I have brothers and I had this dynamic and then seeing it just a show about it, that was just like, there's nothing like that now. Oh. Like I just wish. I just wish, and I agree with you. There should have been more seasons. That should have inspired, like, numerous shows to come out since then.

You know, because it just, it was just dope, man, just to see, like. It was. It was. It was. It was, my brother and me and the whole dynamic of the brothers. And the sister, too. Yes. And then they homeboy, goo.

Go! Oh, my God! It was super, it was super dope. Oh, you're good. Shout out to Calvin Brown, who created the show. Oh, yeah, shout out. Now I got to say, tag on it, because now you're going to say that's how you got the role. He's my cousin.

But, uh... Never, what we say now. Never, I'm... No, you're right. Hey, y'all. That's becoming a big, bro. Oh, you're wrong. Next week, we'll have...

Nepotism. He's going to come by next week. And, uh, we'll see you some... You're wrong for that. You're right. He did help me. That nepotism was good in the business. But you know what?

Let's stop. This stop. I'm not busting your balls because. I talked about somebody. I talked to somebody about this other day. I was like, look, if my daughter wants to be in this industry, you fucking right. I'm about to help her. And she better use your name.

Damn right. I'm going to help her, but she's going to know she's going to work hard. I don't want them to cut no corners. Right. You know what I mean? Because especially, you know, me, I had like 20 jobs when I was coming up. Like, I don't work so many jobs. So, like, and that's one of her things that she always tells me, she's like,

Dad, you've worked so many fucking jobs. Like, you've worked everywhere. And I'm like, do you write and I have? Wendy's. you know, Papa Johns, you know, Arby's, the movie theater, Abercrombie and Fitch, Dana DeLuca, American Apparel. Hey! Oh, I can know.

People always, they don't know because every one of those jobs helped you be who you are. Yeah, man. They don't know we learned and picked up little things. Especially the jobs where I was serving tables because that really makes you a people person. Yes. Because you've got different people coming in. Different personalities. And the personality that you're trying to.

charm is what's going to get that tip. Yes. You know what I mean? So you're really in there. That's, I feel like anybody that wants to become an actor or that's interested in this shit, comedy as well, should serve tables. Because it, like, if you're a nervous person around people, that is going to break you through that.

Because you're going to have to be, like. Oh, that's good advice. Yeah, because you don't know, you're literally getting different energy everywhere all at once and you've got to maintain and you got to be calm and you got to, like, I used to play characters at Oh yeah, my name was Trevor. Shut up, shut. I was Trevor for a minute.

I talked about this on another show, but like, yeah, I used to tell people, and then people would come in to Applebee's and be like, is Trevor here? They'd be like, who? That is so hilarious. And they're like, Trevor, skinny black kid. Oh, you mean Scott?

That is so fun. You tell me this one middle name. Yeah, but it was fun because I was like, man, look, I'm working this shift on a Friday night. It's packed and this bitch. Entertainment yourself. I got like every table. full. I just want to have fun and make this a little bit more playful. And then, you know,

it just allowed me to like work all my people skills. It does. And it does get you a bigger tip. Yeah. I have a waiter, a waitress who's entertaining. Yeah. Oh, you love it. Oh, you love it. Oh, you love it. Oh, yeah. Oh, go ahead. Oh, go ahead. Oh, that's a great idea. But people don't understand the jobs we did even before. Yeah. As we, I did a whole bunch of stuff. I was printing balloons in a window as people went by, I don't even want to talk about it, but it wasn't people walking by you on the street, you're like this. I was like, for an advertiser company,

it was a little machine, you blew up the balloon and they had a wheel that went around. I was like this. Printing balloons and throwing them in a box in the window. Oh my God. So all the little things that we did, and I think about how that helps us in acting, performing, like you said, people

skills, I was selling advertisement to people. You get to go around and do all kind of. things. The one job I did when I was really broke was, you know how people go into the movie theater and you want them to watch a movie, you come see a free movie and do a survey. And they said, do not give it to the homeless people. We said, okay, we got it, but you had to have so many per day. And me and my girl was out there. She always gave him to homeless people to make your quota. This dude was looking good. He walked up and we was like, me and my girl was like,

I got this one. I got this one. And I gave him the paper. He walked away. I was like, oh, He had nothing in the back. He was good in the front of this. He was butt-necked in the back. Everything was missing. I was like, oops. Oh, shit. Oops, we messed up with him.

He'd go sit in the theater, bare-ass. Bear-ass. But all kind of jobs like that make you who you are. That's true. That's true. Which character would you want to have a drink with? Oh, definitely. Tommy.

Tommy, yeah. Because he ain't around. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would definitely want to have a drink with Tommy. And I was my, boy. Tommy was funny. I'm smart I would yeah Tommy

You know what my favorite performance from him was Class Act You ever seen Class Act with Kid and Black I probably did I'm sure I saw it He was in the And he played like the bad guy And he was funny

I know exactly what you're talking about He was excellent Yes he was funny as fuck in that movie Yeah he went too soon Yeah for sure for sure Legend man Black sitcom mom Best Black sitcom mom

Me Did I play a mom before? I don't know Okay, no. Okay, best sitcom. What you got? You got Florida Evans, Claire Huxable, I'm Bibb. Damn. They all agree.

That's a good list. That was a good list. Yeah. Felicia Rashad. Yes. Yes. She was the sweetest, nicest mom, but stern. Like, that's her.

Yeah, she didn't play games. She didn't play games. Of course, Florida Evans, first black mom that, you know what I liked about her? What? She wasn't no pretty mama-like. I got eyelashes, makeup on. She was like for real.

Like short afro cooking in the kitchen. I'm a mama. I'm not putting on all that makeup unless me and James going out. Like she was one of the mama sweating in the kitchen, cuss you out, love you. And wait, let me make sure everybody understand

when I say pretty. It's a pretty woman. But she didn't, she wasn't a Hollywood mother. She wasn't. Yeah, yeah. I know what you meant. Like, you know what I'm saying? What you see on.

TV, I liked her because she was like a real mom like that. You know, like she was great. But there had to be other mothers. Who else? And Aunt Viv was good, but I can't remember them. They was confused. I was a couple of them. Aunt Viv had some really strong moments.

Which one? The first Vib or the second Viv? I would say the first and the second had moments. Yeah, but that first one, now she's a cold actress. I've seen her since. Yeah. Yeah. She's with it. Dang, nothing from Roots, huh? No mama from...

Oh, sorry, that's a movie. You don't say, I know there was some good ones on there. The Roots, huh? Which sitcom has the best fashion that still holds up? Martin, living single, a different world. Oh, come on. The best fashion? The Wayne's Brothers. The Wayans Brothers had some good...

Did they? Yeah, I love... Man, I used to watch the Wayans Brothers and get fashion inspiration all the time. What? Marlon? Marlins fits on there. We're fresh. You don't agree? I wasn't looking at Marla like that.

I don't look at Marlon. Marlon, look, bro. Has Marlon been on your podcast? No, but he needs to. No, I'm telling him, he got to come on here because he'll go defend himself. Because I know what kind of fashions. I was looking at Marlon. Yeah, look, look, Marlon, I will say, I was watching the Wayans brothers every week, all right,

and you and Sean had that shit on, okay? Really? Like, they marked Echo, like, all sorts of shit, like fly shit, like Jordans. Same thing with Fresh Prince. Okay, now Fresh Prince. Good for fashions. Yeah. Okay, I gave them way

his brothers they're fashion. Look, I was not looking at them boys like that. I'm going to go out for other reasons. So, my own, then. What's you doing after this? No, because he thinks I'm a stalker. He's going to call the police on me. Oh, man.

Favorite sitcom episode would you say? Do you have like a favorite episode from a show that just stuck with you? That's just like your shit? Well, of course, the famous. Damn, damn, damn. You know, in Florida Evans when James died. But favorite sitcom episode would probably be the one I was on with the Wayans Brothers. I remember that episode.

I remember that episode. That was one of my favorite because we got to act a fool and act crazy. For me, I remember the episode in, but there's two episodes. There's one episode in Fresh Prince where Carlton takes the speed. and he's fucking breaking dancing and going on crazy like, oh,

then he like, face it. I remember that episode. I mean, it wasn't supposed to be funny, but it was fucking hilarious. I'm sorry. I'm sorry,

y'all. No, no, that was a good one. It was a serious episode. It was like some serious shit, right? But in that episode and then also there was an episode on Save by the Bell

where the girl was like addicted to pills and she was like, I'm so excited. I'm so excited. scared. And I was a kid, like, watching it's like, what is this?

Why? Those are the most memorable episodes for me. Like, there were just like episodes that are meant to be about something serious, but it's just like... But why are all the episodes you like around drugs? Why is every episode somebody took some drugs and something were bad?

I know it was like adults trying to like scare young kids straight to stay away. But I knew, I was like, man, fuck this. Like, I'm going to smoke cigarettes at 17. Like, you know, that's what I spoke about first cigarette. Like, I was getting it on. I was drinking and smoking and everything by 17.

But don't be, don't be nervous about your son. I was like, wait. Don't be nervous. He wants to be a streamer. He's wholesome. He's wholesome. Please. Yeah.

He's 15. Yeah, I'm 16, 17. I don't know. He ain't six now. He ain't six. Right, I know. Six is wholesome. Six is wholesome.

But I do have to, to, I actually have a, drug episode in Varnel Hill that is going to be the favorite. It hasn't come out yet because we only dropped three but it's either six or seven that we all forget, we all eat brownies cookies. I give everybody cookies

but they're the wrong kind of cookies. I didn't read the thing that somebody sent us so I passed them out to the whole office. So it is hilarious just like you're saying. And I say it's my favorite episode. Y'all haven't seen it yet. It's on Varnel Hill. But I love physical comedy even though my neck

hurt my back hurt and I'm not as physical. Everybody on the show old, but we all, you know, trying to act, you know, but I had to be physical. And I had to fall all on people, fall out on the table. I remember very funny, but it had to do with drugs, see? Yeah, that one. There's always the best scenes. Barnel Hill, I mean, not Martin Hill, Martin Lawrence had Barnell Hill where it came from. That was one of favorite episodes of Martin.

In any episode on Martin with Shannay, Nain. I couldn't take it. Because Martin got a sister and that's what so crazy. I was like, why are you trying to play your sister? He got a sister, you don't ask like that, but they look just alike. It's so funny. Ray, Ray, your sister, Ray. I was like,

didn't you get that from you? So it's any episode, and you think about Martin Lawrence in his show Martin, it is replaying now. Yeah. So he's getting all new fans. Audience. Yeah, new audience. And so, and now with the Barnet Hill show, of course, very excited.

about that. What's one thing you nerd out about that might surprise people? Oh, that, oh, I'm a gadget girl. You love gadgets. I love gadgets. I have a whole episode on YouTube called gadget girly and anything. I'm going to look at it. I'm going to test it out and I'm going to see if you should buy it, try it or deny it. What's you think about the new iPhone duo, the flip phone? Oh my goodness. I love, I haven't gotten it yet, but I love a flip. If it's going to, you know, do so. I like extra stuff. Like, you got to give me all kind of things within the phone to discover. Yeah. Like the edit button, send later.

You know about that? I love that. I just discovered that. You just discovered that. Like two months ago. Oh, yeah, you got to have the send later because you're on different East Coast. That's true. And you don't want to wake people up in the middle of night if they're in Europe or whatever.

You know what you can't send pictures. You can only send text. It's okay. See? Because for me, what I've been using it for, like, business. If I want to tell my editor to make a change in the edit and he's already in Europe. And it's like two in the morning at that time. I just text them at.

Send later. 12 a.m. Our time and he'll be up. You know what I mean? See? So those kind of things. But that's the thing like, you know, there's so much shit you could do with the iPhone. Yeah. Like, I don't even, I know like maybe like 30% of the shit you could do with the phone. I like, there's so much shit. But you can't even learn all. Like I just learned. You can't. Do you know, have you ever sent a message? And like, oh, I mean to say that. And you can edit it. Yeah. After you said. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. I didn't know. I was like, well, I can edit that. Because I was like, oh, you ain't shit. I was

like, that ain't for them. And I was like, yeah. I said to take that out. I didn't really mean that. So real quick, take that out. Yeah, so there are a lot of things. Okay. What's the best piece of advice a comic has given you? Wow.

And I know I used to keep a diary of all my advice and all this, but I thought I was going to come on your podcast and it was going to be some bullshit. But since it's not, I was not prepared for greatness. I thought it's going to be some bullshit. So I would say the best piece of advice from a stand-up is you can't get better unless you get stage time. You've got to get reps.

That is the late David A. Arnold, very funny comedian, my friend forced me to put my set together. I used to be an improv comic. He said, you're giving all these comics and jokes. They know you're not going to use it again. They're taking your jokes. You have got to do a set and repeat it. I almost threw up in my mouth.

I was like, I got to say it again. So that was it. And he said, in order to get better, you've got to go on stage. That was one of the, and Red Fox told me to do stand-up. He's the one that told me to do stand-up. And he said, I'm tired of seeing these ugly bitches be funny. Yep, that's what I said. Classic.

Classic. Favorite Cleveland staple restaurant. Oh, come on, Whitmorest. Oh. What you got? What you got? Whitmorest and Staples. Come on.

Yours truly. Yours truly. You go and you get a hamburger? What do you get to yours truly? Man, yours truly, I'm saying yours truly not for the, really for the dessert. Because my dad used to take me there when I was younger and he always would get me the cinnamon ice cream and the apple pie and that is why that is my favorite dessert apple pie and ice cream is my favorite dessert from when I was a kid and it reminds me of my father so every

time I'm in Cleveland I go to yours truly and I get it and it's like being transported to being like 10 years old all over again you know when I go to Cleveland I'm going there now because you have to yours truly was not a thing like I went to was a samurai but now it's Benihana's but the samurai yeah but isn't that on Shagrin right yours truly yes it's yours truly is your There's a couple of them. There's one on Sagram, and then there's one by Shaker Square. Okay. That's the one I used to go to the one of Shaker Square.

Apple. Apple, pie, ice cream, and cinnamon ice cream. They have cinnamon ice cream because I'm going to go in there. Cinnamon ice cream. And I'm going to say, serve Cuddy. It comes with it. Because I can't call you kid no more. Cinnamon.

It comes with it. Yeah, yeah. Yep, I'm going to be in Cleveland soon, and I'm going to go. There's that restaurant on Shaker Square that black people on right there, too. Is it new? It's new. It's like a Creole restaurant right there. What is wrong? Come on. Come on, Dre. Pull it up.

Zanzibar. Zanzibar. Have you been to Zanzibar? Yeah, they got these soul food, egg rolls. They got greens in it and the rice and it's all the soul food and sweet potato. That's a new one. That's been. You got to try that. Zanzibar. We got to try that. Okay. Cleveland, I'm coming to Zanzibar. I'm going to yours.

Tip one for two, baby. Apple pie and cinnamon ice cream You got me excited You're going to love it Okay, I'm going to go on there And I'm going to think about just I'll take a picture and send it to you Yeah, please do

Please do I'm going to be jealous I'm going to be like God damn it I want some Yes You know who sent You know you bet Nicole Brown From Cleveland right

Yes She sent me to Cleveland To get a Mr. Heroes I had to freeze the meat I had to go in there Talk to the owner What you know about the The Roman Morgan?

What you know about Mr. Hero What you know about Mr. Hero? What you know About that Roman Barron Burger. What? The salami. With the salami. What?

In the tail. Come on. In the Thai and dressing and the onions. Oh, man. What? You better, I'll bring you one. You better what. Tell me by.

Every time I'm in Cleveland. Come on. Me too. When we get there, my security will tell you, every time we get to Cleveland, the first place we go to is Mr. fucking hero. And I give me a fucking Roman burger.

Or sometimes I give me a, I say I want a cheeseburger, so it's like a Roman burger, but it's just like still on the sub. Right? So it's two patties, cheese, all the fixings, m-hmm. Yes. And get this shit.

Wait. Mr. Hero has waffle fucking fries. Yeah, they do. Yeah, they do. Frize. But wait a minute, you get double meat or you get the single. I get a regular. It's a single, but it's like two patties on the sub.

Yeah, so two patties right on the sub. And they got that Italian, they won't tell you what that sauce is. They put that like Italian dressing on it. Woo! I eat mine in the car. We need a Mr. Hero endorsement. Mr. Hero, we love you at Big Bro. I mean, I know there's no Mr. Hero in LA.

I know. I know. I know. I know. I should open up one. Like right on Fairfax. Right there. It's out of nowhere.

Just out of nowhere. And I'll be doing commercials like, hey, welcome y'all. The Mr. Heroes. And then I pop up in the back. I'm Scott Messonjiani. Is that what you? What is wrong with you? You.

Did you say? Why did I get hot? Talking about a Mr. Hero's burger. I'm sweating off between my 10. He's Lord for mercy. Oosh, that was good. That was so, that was so dumb as you said that, though,

because it's like, that's some cleavish shit. Oh, my God, that was some Cleveland. Zero. We love it. We love it. Advice for any creative kid who's leaving their small town

for a big city. The biggest advice I have is to make sure you have somewhere to come back to, a base, somebody. Yeah.

Because when you get out there, a lot of kids would get out and get lost because they're like, I'm out here. I have nowhere to go. I have no one. That's one. Two is to have a connection in that city. Somebody, not somebody off Facebook, but you got to have something, somebody, whether it's even the Boys and Girls Club, somebody that you have to know personally here, that's a reputable place,

that you can go to and connect with. if you're just leaving your small city. But I would like to say, first of all, try to become a big fish in the small city. Practice there. Whatever you're learning, learn there. Like you were doing your music there. You were building it there.

Just don't say, you know what, just wake up one day. You know what? I think I'm going to be an actor. I'm going to L.A. What? You ain't been an actor in Cleveland. You know? Exactly.

Do something in high school or whatever. That's my advice. That's great advice, man. I mean, I think a lot of people don't know this about me, but there was a lot of going to freestyle battles and open mic contests and all sorts of talent shows all in the city that I was doing and, you know, just kind of planting the seas and doing the reps, as you say, like you do with comedy.

And the more I was doing it, the better I got. So by the time I got on, I was polished. You know what I mean? Thank you. So that's great advice. What did you ball out on after your first big Hollywood check? Wow. Food.

No. Mr. The first Hollywood check, I bought a red Miata. But that was the first thing. That's what I bought. That's it? That's it right there. That's fly.

That's fly, Kim. That was fly, wasn't it? Yeah. I kept that thing until it rusted. The red Miata. That shit is fire. So what's the fire? On the lot.

She's being there with her little sunglasses, the little drop top. Look at that. It's like, hey, hey, hey. And that thing is little. Yeah, it looks small as shit. It looks like a barbie car. The trucks drove past me. I was like, this.

Yeah, 18 wheeling past me. Oh, yeah, they're about to squish me. But that was the first thing I bawled out. I mean, you know, when I say bawled out, I was always a saver. So I always, but I bought that and I went up on set with it. And I had my parking space. It was my first sitcom. I was like, yeah, look at me.

And Robin Givens had her fancy car, and then James Avery and all of them, Terrence Howard, that's who I was with with the first sitcom. And they had their stuff. I was like, I got one too. I pulled her, but mine wasn't fancy like this. I was like this look. But that's it. Look at us.

I love it. Oh, wow. What did you ball out on? First thing. Man, let me see. And I bought my mom, my car. I was living in New York at the time when I first got my record deal, right? Uh-huh.

But I wasn't really, it was like all, I didn't have a car or anything. things. And I already had an apartment and I was always kind of making a little bit of money from doing shows. So the most thing I was doing as far as Spurgeon was buying clothes, right? But it wasn't until I got to L.A. when I bought

my first big purchase and it was my first car. And my first car was a Porsche Panamara. Wow. Ever. Like that was my first car. I had a... That was your first car ever? Well, since I was adults. I had cars when I was a teenager, right? I had

My first car was a Honda Corps in 1984, right? And then my second car was a 92 Nissan stanza. Okay, okay. So I had a little hoopties or whatever, but this is the first car once I was successful, my nice car, right? And I remember getting this car and being afraid to fucking drive the motherfucker. Because I never have, I never, ever had a car that expensive in my life. So, like, did you ever experience that when you first got your nice shit? Like, you would just drive, you were just, oh shit?

Like every turn, you didn't want to go up on the curb. Last week. I got my electric BMW. That's like a sad. I used to look at it. I was like, I can't drive that. I was like, that is just too good for you. I didn't want to ruin it.

I didn't know how. Just like you said, sometimes, well, think about, you know, my first house. I lived in my apartment. I never moved in for a year. Yeah. I just went over there and looked at it. I was like, ooh, that's a house. And I was like, I don't know what to do.

It just dumb. But you know, I was doing stuff to it, but not. But everybody's like, what's wrong with you? You got a house going to move into it. I was like, I like this one bedroom apartment right here. I'm like, what are we going to live in your house? And it happened. You just, you know, I don't know if it's a thing that you don't think you deserve that or it's growing up or what it.

And my mother said, stop living like you live in college because I still wouldn't buy any furniture. Right. boxes and shut up I don't live like that anymore but it's still that kind of you know it's really a grown-up thing I think that's like you're saying when you saw your Porsche yeah man yeah you don't think there's insurance if something happens to it yeah but you're just like man I got this nice-ass shit like damn like I got like you just feel like you want to be precious with it because you just never had anything like that you know what I mean and also too it's you've gotten, you acquired this thing

with your hard-earned money. So now you're seeing the fruits of your labor. So it's like, oh, man, like, I can buy a Porsche. Like, oh, shit. Like, you know, oh, I can get a mansion. Oh, fuck. Like, you know, you start, it's like these levels of like, and this was like around 2011.

So at this time, my first album was 2009. So I've been around for about three years. So it's still fairly new in my career. You know what I mean? A crazy time, man. But then I want to ask you this as a musician. Y'all's money is different from our money. It's just really crazy.

Yeah. But is there a point that I think about that you see that and say, you know what? Whoa, whoa, I better not be too crazy because I don't want three years to go by or this thing that I'm doing is it going to go away. Do you stop and say, let me put some away, or do you? you just go crazy. No, no, no. I think...

Yeah, what's your advice to the new people? I think over time, like, when I was younger, I didn't, I was just reckless with money. But not in a... Because I had... And it's something I just realized. Because I spent so many years being happy and maintaining without money,

when I got money, it was just kind of like, okay. Same thing. You know what I mean? Like, it's not like I got... I didn't feel like I needed it. I felt like the only reason I needed it is so I could take care of my family, not for my own shit. You know what I mean? I was just like, I want to be able to take care of my mom, my siblings, and my friends.

And then I just need the little things I need. I don't need much, but like I really just want to help my fam, you know. So you maintained? Yeah. Yeah. You never went crazy. No, I never went. like over the years

as I got older I started to tone it down like you know because I would do shit like have all my friends from Cleveland and then I'm going to the babe store and I'm shopping and getting a bunch of shit and I look over and see my boy Mel Whiskey

and he look all sad and I'm like oh man let me buy this nigga some shit and I see Jeff I'm like all right Jeff I get you some shit and I just wanted my niggas to have some shit too you know what I mean one of us all to experience the life and over time you get up you get past that you like hey look I got to like take care of myself

I got to take care of my responsibilities I can't be doing shopping sprees for me and all my friends all the time and you know then I had a daughter when I was 26 so you know I was just kind of thinking about as I got older when I got to my 30s it was different mindset with money and now at 42 like I'm totally like like it's it's very rare that I'll go and and do some shopping. And if I do some shopping, it's, like, out of the country. Like, I never, like, will go shopping in L.A. You know what I mean? Like, if I'm in Paris, I'm going into shopping. Yeah, you know, something, something special, you know? And also, like, I don't buy, like, brands, like, like, like, if I buy something, it's always vintage. I'm not, I never buy anything new.

I'm not going to, like, Belenziaga. I'm not going to, like, Gucci. I'm not going, like, you know what I'm I got to say. That's a Cleveland thing. We all just like that. Oh my God. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm more so like, let me get this vintage t-shirt from this brand that doesn't exist no more. And like, you know, it's like 30 bucks, 50 bucks for this shirt.

And we got it in Tokyo. And you know what I mean? Like I found I was in Tokyo doing some thrift shopping. And I found a crew neck that said John Carroll on it. And my mom went to John Carroll. And this is all the way out in Tokyo. It's a college in Cleveland. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

University Heights. Yeah. So I've got this sweater and I want to wear it for my movie because this has the Easter eggs because my character in the movie that I'm shooting is from Cleveland. And I'm going to wear it for the movie and then I'm going to surprise my mom and give it to her

because I just thought that it was really cool. She don't have nothing from her school days. She's going to see the podcast now. Oh, she's going to see it. Now she's going to know. That's all right. How are you going to surprise her? It's okay.

I'll give it to it before then. Okay, okay. Yeah. No, that means it's going to come out two years. Okay, listen. So this is, okay, I know this is your podcast, but I got to ask now. So, okay, so you never, what sign of you? Aquaria.

I said, I was going to say, you're either an Aquarian or cancer. Aquarian. You're an Aquarian. January 30th. Of course you are. When someone says, I want all my friends and family to experience, they're a different kind of person. Because you want them, like, if you get an award show tickets or you get a cruise, you want to take all your friends. Can I get six more?

I need all. Because you want them to experience the life that you've, gotten and how do you how do you break that because I absolutely have had that problem that's why people like that's why you got no man because I take my friends everywhere and then I had a fiance I was engaged and my fiance told me years later I had to ask I said why did a TV show interviewed him they said why didn't y'all make it he said her friends not bad he said she had to take her friends everywhere and the only reason I did that because I wanted them to experience what I was experienced And I did not know how to separate it.

But I learned as I've gotten older. My friends have all done everything. And I went to Dallas and my girl, Cheryl Jones, happy birthday. She said at her party just this Saturday, she stood up and said, this woman right here has the biggest heart. She has made sure all of us have experienced Hollywood as she has, all the trips, all the gifts, everything. So I was like, she didn't know she gave me permission to stop. Thanks, Cheryl.

Thanks, Cheryl. hilarious. But now I know. I love it. I love it. Kim, thank you for coming, man. This is awesome.

This is so dope. And you are more than welcome to come back anytime you want. Oh, I got to come back. This was really, I thought it was going to be raggedy, but you are really. Hey, thanks for coming through the attic, y'all. Make sure you subscribe. on YouTube or wherever you get your podcast and follow the show on social media

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