Big Bro with Kid Cudi - Kylie Jenner Rare Interview: Hollywood Ambitions, Fav Timothée Chalamet Movie & Kid Cudi Music

Episode Date: April 1, 2026

Kylie Jenner and I go wayyy back. There's a reason this was the first person I welcomed to the attic of my mind: Kylie and I have known each other forever, and she's like a little sister to me. We get into her crazy acting talent in The Moment with Charli Xcx, how she runs s**t with her family by her side, and her emo phase growing up. We go deep talking about what it means to have a vision, where I'm at creatively, and which Cudi song she's smoked weed to the most. Listen allll the way to the end to hear an unreleased Cudi song, When I'm Down Pull up, tap in and vibe out. Peace! Big Bro is presented by Adobe Acrobat. Check out Kid Cudi’s latest PDF Space here: https://acrobat.adobe.com/link/spaces/urn:aaid:sc:US:d116d90a-4ee3-4d15-ab1c-0140442cb2a3 New eps of Big Bro drop every Wednesday! ⁠Get the full experience on YouTube⁠ Big Bro is a Wave Original.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ For more good vibes, follow along @bigbrocudi on all platforms. ⁠instagram.com/bigbrocudi⁠ ⁠tiktok.com/@bigbrocudi Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Wave. Kendall and I have been playing Sims since we were little, and we're still playing it to this day. And we'll just play for like six hours. Holy shit. We'll face-time each other and we like don't even really talk. And then we just thought of a new idea. Now we make people that like we know. What up y'all?

This is Big Bro with Kid Cuddy, presented by Adobe Acrobat. I'm your big bro, Scott, 40 live from The Attic in My Mind. to the first episode, the very first episode of Big Bro. Now look, I've created this show for you. All right, I want to put you on the dope shit and take you in the real life conversations I have with my favorite people. In this first episode, I'm sitting down with the global icon,

my home girl, Kylie Jenner. Now, I've known Kylie for years, and she's kind of like a little sister to me. We're talking about everything from her growing up on TV to parenthood and playing the Sims with her sister Kendall. So I need y'all to kickback. Bye, bye. and enjoy.

See you on the other side. I don't really do podcasts. I know. So this is like a really rare link up. I know. Like I was like, I did research because I was thinking about who I could have on the show.

Yeah. And, you know, people that don't really do podcasts. And I saw that you've only maybe done your sister's podcast. Chloe, it was my first and only podcast like five seconds ago. Oh, wow. I never do this. But I'm trying, 2026, this last year really is all about doing things outside of my comfort zone. Right, right.

Just to make life like a little bit more exciting. Damn right. That's what it's about. Although it already really is, but. Yeah, it could be even more exciting. Yeah. So let's take it back. Let's take it back because do you think people are going to think this is like a random link up? Yeah. Do you think people know?

No, let's take it back. The first time we met, I don't even know if you remember this, is the Hunger Games premiere. I didn't remember this until you sent me those questions because I was trying to think about how did we meet. Yeah. And I feel like I've just always known you. That's true. And I'm like, when did we meet? Yeah.

The Hunger Games premiere. Yeah, it was the very first time you and Kendall were interviewing people on the red carpet and you interviewed me and my buddy Dot. And please nobody pulled this up, by the way. Do not put a clip of us is so embarrassing. Yeah, because we definitely got to say something because they will plaster that picture right in the center. Exactly. Very embarrassing. Yeah, man. Throughout the years we've hung out, a lot of crazy-ass Halloween parties. Lots of crazy Halloween parties. You have the best costumes.

The best costumes. I've definitely done my best work at your parties. Yeah. I haven't seen the others, but they were always pretty good. Well, you know, I came to that one party in my fucking space suit, the full man on the moon, space suit with the glowing. The glowing thing was crazy. That was crazy. Who made that for you? So it was this dude named Jose Hernandez. He pretty much does superhero movies, suits, Spider-Man, X-Men. Oh, wow. So super legit.

Yeah, I linked up with him years ago. He did, when I did a tour, I was in a space suit, and he did the suit for it. And I just linked up when I'm to do a special suit for my last tour. And, you know, I spent so much money on the space suit. suit, I was like, man, this Halloween, let me just go ahead and throw that on and just stunt on everybody. I'm like, the amount of money I spend on these, not only the costumes with the photo shoots, I've retired it. I'm like, I can't be doing this every year.

It's a whole thing. Yeah, yeah. It's a whole thing. So this set, we talked about when we came in, right, it represents my mind. It's the attic in my mind. If we were in your mind, what would we see that represents the child? the younger Kylie, you know, what would be in your world? Three things. My attic would probably look like, probably like my bedroom growing up, which was black and like lots of skulls everywhere. And like dead roses. No way. Yes. I was a happy child. I wasn't like, I don't know why I loved these things, but like my room was black, skulls everywhere, dead roses, just like the

darkest black bed sheets, black bed, like black bathroom. So you were a little emo? I was a little emo. Okay. And then you go into Kendall's room and it's like perfectly clean, white, like minimalist, like shining. So that's probably what my attic would look like. And her house is kind of like the same vibe too.

Like when we had that Halloween party at her house. Like it was just like immaculate like white walls, just pristine. Yeah. So it's dope that she kind of kept that same aesthetic. Yeah. She did. She did. She never switched up. Who did young Kylie think was the coolest?

Like, actor, celebrity, like musician. Like, who did you, like, obsess over? Who was, like, on your wall? I mean, the people that I thought were really cool, and I'm not just saying this to be cheesy, whereas, like, my family. Yeah. Like, I always thought my family was just so cool.

Even when I was younger and we would go places and, like, just, like, you know, everyone, like, loved them, especially when I was, like, eight, nine, and I just like, I thought they were so cool. Yeah, that's so dope. I still think they're so cool. That's so dope. That's so dope.

I want to say congrats on your acting debut. Thank you. Yeah, you're in the moment, which people are loving right now. Yeah. Like, how did that come about? Like, and have you thought about having a career as an actor? I think it was a childhood dream of mine. Like, I would do a lot of plays and stuff.

But I never, my life just won a different direction. Like I had my makeup line and that's really my passion. And I just, I never really thought about it again. And like I said, this last year has just been doing things outside of my comfort zone. And I know the director, Aden, we wanted to do a project together. It didn't work out. And then we kind of just became friends through that. And he told me he was working on this.

And I was like, wow, what an opportunity for me to do something and feel so comfortable doing it. Yeah, yeah. Because I didn't even know where to start. Right. You know, so I had the best time. That's so good. I felt like I was in safe hands. Yeah.

Yeah. And I had the best time. I loved it. And I would totally do more. You would definitely do more. So this is something you would do. Yeah. That's dope.

I don't know where I'm going with it. Yeah. Because I'm curious, like, like, what roles would you do? Like, what is something in your mind that you could see yourself doing? Like, probably something in comedy. Okay. Okay. 2000's vibe or something.

Yes. You know? Like super bad kind of vibes. Yes. You know? I think I would thrive. Yeah. I like making people laugh and showing my personality.

And I think I would want to do that. Somebody got to write that movie. Yeah. Word is out now. Word is out now, guys. Call me. Did you feel like you were preparing to play yourself or was it a different version of you? It was a different version of me for sure.

Okay. I think I was way bitchier than I probably would ever be. But that's always fun. Yeah. To play like a heightened version. Yeah. It was definitely a heightened version of myself and just leaning into like, I don't know, I guess, a funny like stereotype or something.

Yeah. What inspired you to get into music? Another thing I didn't think was going to happen. But the song, the song that I did, fourth strike. is really a, it's like a part two, to the song, Three Strikes that I did. It was like a promotional video for my lip gloss back in 2016 or something, like 10 years ago. And I did this promotional lip gloss video. It was like almost like a music video.

Like I was living out my dreams and we shot this whole thing and we were like, what song are we going to use? Like, this won't make sense if we use like, you know, a known artist or something. Right. So we, the director knew this. band, Tara Jr., they gave us this song, and then it kind of became like this King Kylie theme song. And a lot of people thought it was secretly me singing on it for like 10 years. And even the band kind of led into it.

And then anyway, so 10 years later, I did like a 10 year anniversary. So I did a part two to the song and then now it's actually me singing on the song. So it was just like a full circle moment. But that was so fun. I would absolutely do more of that too. Yeah. Yeah. You think there's an album down the line?

I mean... I just don't know. Are you going to help me or something? I can... Look, I can help you. Is this why I'm here? Yeah. This is not just for the podcast talk.

I will totally executive producer album. Okay. We'll work on the vibes. We'll talk about what you want. I'll heard it. You know what I mean? But like what would a Kylie Cuddy song sound like? You know what I mean?

If we did a record together, like what would be the same? subject matter. Are we going back, what would be the subject matter? Are we going back to 2016? We can. You know? I mean, that was a really dark time for me. But, but, but we could talk about, we could talk about, I think people would love to hear you talk about, you know, a little bit of your struggles and some real shit. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, and that is kind of like, I think you should keep that mind as your angle when you're becoming this artist. It's kind of like, what, uh, will you unveil that people don't know just hearing you. interview or seeing you do things in your other realms in your life, you know, because I find that

a lot of my fans, the reason why I've seemed to have been to do well over the years is because my fans, you know, they love the music, but they also know who Scott is. They understand who I am as a person. Like it's not just like, because you know, you see like some people fan out over other rappers or other people and that do music and it's kind of like a surface thing but like people are really invested in me and my well-being and if I'm okay and things like this you know like when I get married people were so happy because they know first off that like I'm a lover and they know how badly I wanted that in my life you know so it's it's really nice when you have that and I feel like you get that when you're open with them.

Yeah. You know what I mean? You created like this personal relationship. Yeah. Yeah. It's one of the reasons why I name this podcast Big Bro, because that's how I feel I am to a lot of people. You know what I mean?

And it's really dope, man. I feel really blessed at like, what, 18 years in the game. Like I'm still like connecting with fans by the go on tour. For sure. Like it's dope. It's dope. Yeah. You know, but that's cool that you want to do more and I am down to help with the album.

Wow. I mean, that would be a dream. I'm producing now. That would be a dream. I'm going to play you a record. Okay, play me a record. I'm going to play you a record. I have been back to the studio.

Really? I have been back and I tried a few things. Okay. Just, you know, trying to find like. Yeah, find your voice. My sound. Yeah, yeah. Everything was like kind of like dark and slow.

Really? Really, really, really moody. And I had to like take a break. Because I'm like, I don't think this is me. Yeah. You know, everything was kind of a little slow. Maybe it's because I feel like my voice, I'm not as comfortable singing at a high. Right.

You got to find the comfortable pocket, even with me, because, like, I had to take a step back and realize, like, man, I don't in my mind think that I'm a singer. You know what I mean? People have been hearing me seeing my whole career, but, like, in the back of my mind, I never, like, when I think a singer is, I think of, like, you know, the weekend or like, you know what I mean, like people, people that really sing, I feel like I just kind of carry a note and I just kind of do a tone that is comfortable for anybody to sing along to. That's how I kind of feel. Yeah.

Yeah. So I think our song would be perfect. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. I mean, the thing is to come up with something catchy, something that people can connect with. Yeah. You know, and do we shoot a cool video? You know what I mean?

That would be fire. That would be amazing. But I want to play you this song. Okay. Can we get into that? Yeah, yeah, let's play it. Are you gonna show this to the world? Yeah. Oh my god, okay. This is a world premiere and a lot of people have been checking for my music and and I've been a little secretive about it, but I feel like we're doing the podcast. I might as well like leak some shit, cut some vibes. Okay, so this one is called When I'm Down. I produced this I think a year and a half two years ago. Okay. And yeah, survive. Here we go. It's super happy. Yeah, uplifting.

Yeah, it is. Wow. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, guys. I love how uplifting it is. Yeah, man. And the beat is so fun and unique.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I like to feel like I have a specific sound and, you know, nobody can kind of put together a beat like me. And I love that, like, now this new chapter, I'm more so, um, focus on producing myself. You know, I've worked with a lot of producers in my career,

a lot of dope guys. And I've been able to like watch and learn closely. And now I'm just like, man, I think that's something people miss from me. You know, like I produce Indicud all by myself. And I was like, man, I kind of want to quarterback this whole thing. I feel like only Cuddy can make some shit like that, you know? I totally agree.

I can't wait to hear more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is your next project finished? No, no, no. I'm just dicking around. Okay, okay. That's like maybe one of four rap records I got. That you feel.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Because I'm not like, I'm not in album mode right now. Like I'm just kind of, because I have a couple things to direct this year and then I have the tour. And, no, I kind of want to direct and write more. and that's kind of like my focus for this year. Amazing.

So maybe next year, you know, it might be something that comes. It depends. I'm just kind of like stacking up records at this point. Nice. You know what I mean? Like no pressure. I find that that's like the best way to do it. Like when you immediately announce an album, then the pressure's on.

You know what I mean? And if it doesn't come out in a year, you're going to have fans hitting you up every single. fucking day. Like, where's the album? Where's the album? Where's the album? And I do not want people checking for that right now. You know what I mean? I just dropped the album last year. And I have 13 albums. Yeah. No, yeah. You can relax. I can't chill. I can totally kill. For like three or four years I can chill. Yeah. No, it'll be okay. Yeah. Which is like, you know, there's also kind of like a positive side to that because you can take the time and really

create what you want. And also people like, when it drops, people are like, yeah, it's been three Yeah. Like they're so hungry for it. It's like you let them miss you for a little bit. Yeah. You know what I mean? And that's kind of like what most people tend to forget. Because people are like, oh, I got to be now.

I got to stay relevant. I got to stay on top. I got to keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. But there's an art to just, you know, pacing yourself. and I don't know, I've just, I'm just constantly been creating throughout the years and I've always been prepared to drop an album every other year. But now I'm just like, with all these new things I'm trying to do, like directing and writing movies and things like that, like I just want to kind of pivot for a little bit

and just do something else. Yeah, I love that. And I think that's where you're at right now in your career too. Something about the year of the horse. Yeah. You've heard about the year of the horse? Yes, I have. I have.

Something about it. My astrology friends have put me on. Yeah, same. Yeah, there's something about it. I want to talk to you about fame and how do you handle it? I don't know if there's like a perfect recipe to that. Yeah, because everybody's circumstance is different. Yeah.

You know. I'm really proud of myself. I think I've done a really good job, especially. being, you know, we started the show when I was nine years old. And I look at my daughter and she's eight. And I'm like, oh, my God, you were a year. In a year, you'll be the age that I was when I was so exposed to all of this. And it's such a, although it was different times then.

There was no Instagram. There was no. Yeah. But yeah, I think that just like protecting the things that I feel need protection or just like parts of like my personality or I don't know maybe you feel like that too but it's just like my relationships and you know I just try to just protect myself and I have really thick skin I think I which is much it was as much needed which is much needed yeah I kind of know if there's like a bad story or something it will come and go I have my family I

my kids that I go home to that I'm like, love me so much and have no idea what's going on in this world. Yeah. They definitely keep me grounded, surrounding yourself with good people. Yeah. How do you think your relationship with fame has changed throughout the years after you've grown up? Well, you talked about how, like, you have thick skin. Was that always the case that you had to develop that over time?

You know, kind of going through things and learning. I think I always had thick skin, but. I mean, it's definitely evolved as I've gotten older. Yeah. I actually think as I've gotten older, maybe it's felt more personal or something. I don't know. Yeah. I think there was a shift when, and maybe it's just the way social media is now.

And all the platforms and all the information and all the, it's like so many more people have access to you to judge you and say all these things about you. And I, and when I was like 16, 17, like Instagram was. getting popular. Right, right. I wasn't really looking at comments about myself. I think that's where it can go. Yeah, so.

Yeah, yeah. I wasn't really looking at comments, and I really, like, I didn't care. I definitely had this, like, fuck you attitude. Yeah, and that's kind of like how you, it has to be a little rock and roll. Yeah. You can't get a lot. Skoles. Yeah.

The Dead Roses. Yeah, the rock star was there from the very early age. Yeah. So that and then, yeah, as I got older, I think it started to like affect me more or something. I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I think when you're young, you're a little naive to the bullshit in the world. And then you get older and you start to realize like, oh, shit, like it's kind of fucked up out there.

Yeah, totally. Like, this is real shit. It's like the perfect mirror to society sometimes, you know what I mean? It's like the ugliest things on social media. And it's just, you know, like my daughter's 15 now. And she has her Instagram page, but it's private. And she has a TikTok, but it's private. And, you know, I just know that now at this age, she's consuming a lot more shit than I did at 15.

Yeah, of course. You know what I mean? And it's like you want to give them access. You want them to. have freedom, but it's a very scary thing. I think about it all the time. Yeah. I'm going to call you when Stormy turns 15.

I'm like, I don't know how I'm going to handle it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's really wild, man, because it's like, you know your kids are going to go to school and then all their friends are going to have phones. And you don't want your kid to feel left out. Totally. And like you want them to have that.

relationship with their friends where they're all talking on their phones and communicating, you know what I mean? But it's just, you know, as parents, you want so badly to protect your kids. You know what I mean? And now my daughter, like, she's 15, like, she can see the shit online. Like, if I get arrested tomorrow, she will see that shit. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

So, like, it's really a gnarly thing, man. it's something that we're all learning now because it's a new thing. You know what I mean? Social media hasn't been around that long. It's still kind of like we're still figuring it out, you know? And people are still like just learning how to navigate this with their children. Yeah. You know what I mean?

We don't know how it's going to affect that. No, we don't. And that's really scary. Yeah. Yeah. It's a wild thing to think about, you know. You know, that brings me to my next question. I kind of wanted to talk to you about motherhood.

you know and juggling being a mom and a business woman you know how's that been for you throughout the years just kind of finding that balance it's definitely a lot because you wake up early i wake up like 7 a m that's that i wanted to talk about that's a whole lot i had that as a section like i'm ready i told the producers i was like i think i'm gonna say i text kiley one day i there was two circumstances where i texted in the morning because when i wake up in the morning yeah i was like i was like I wake up in the morning and I have a bunch of people that I have to hit up and I text in the morning before I forget, right? So I don't expect anyone to respond because it's early in the morning.

But I text kind of at like 7.30. Okay. She hit me right back like two minutes later. I was like, what the fuck? Yeah, a lot of people. Yeah, but it makes sense. I was like, it makes sense. She's got kids, you know?

Like, you know, when you got kids, you're up at the break of dawn, you know? If I don't wake myself up, They're waking me up. Exactly. But I'm, I also like to be up 20 minutes before them, 15 minutes before them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't, you got to get up before them. Yeah.

To get prepared mentally. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because when the kids get at it, it's a whole thing. Then it's like, yeah. I want to have my coffee. Yeah. Yeah. You know, get a little dressed.

My wife is like that. She's always like, don't talk to me until I have my coffee. Yeah. You know, and it's, it's really night and day. Like, if it's, I've talked to her before she has that first sip, it's a whole other beast. It is. Coffee drinkers, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you drink coffee? No, I'm not a coffee drinker. I don't like the taste. I used to drink. I need to send you this, my favorite coffee. What is it? It's like sugary and. Okay. But is it like bad for me? Probably.

Oh, Kylie, trying to set me up for the woo-woo, man. Oh, man. I need to send you my favorite coffee. Yeah, man. I'm down. I'm down. I'm going to let you take me into this coffee journey. Yeah, but on my orders just, I get a latte, hot latte with, um, with oat milk and vanilla. Okay. Yeah. That's pretty, is that a pretty basic order? That's pretty basic, yeah. Yeah.

Because I see, like, sometimes people go to, like, order coffee and they're like, I want no cream. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Have two shots of espresso. Yeah, like this whole fucking list of things. And it's like being a barista, you're just sitting there like, what the fuck? I hate my life. Or it's exciting. Yeah.

It's exciting because they come in there like, okay, thank God, not the same old vanilla latte. And they get like crazy. I've been getting into this new feature in acrobat called PDF Spaces. And it's been kind of a game changer for me, especially when I'm prepper for the podcast. Basically, I can pull in a bunch of different files, notes, articles, transcripts, whatever. And it puts everything into one AI powered space. From there, I could just ask questions, find what matters fast and get up to speed without having to dig through everything manually. Like before our first episode, for example, I'll drop.

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It's definitely changed me for the better. Just like that love and rediscovering, rediscovering, like wonder through their eyes. Yep. It has been amazing. And I was young when I had my first baby. Yep.

So I feel like I was like just entering adulthood. Yeah. And I never really left that. Like I still like Christmas morning. Like I never had a, I never left that, you know, holidays and birthdays and the excitement of like being a child. It's like, so it all happened so fast. but that and then just like the sense of purpose.

Yeah. You know, you're here for a reason and they're like my whole world. I love it. How would you describe your parenting style? I didn't think that I would be, but I'm the strict one. You're a strict? I think I'm the strict one. Okay.

I have a good balance. Okay. I have a great relationship. I feel like my daughter who's a little bit older, she can definitely talk to me about anything, but she, you know, she has like. like this big personality. Yeah. So I have to like keep her kind of in check.

Yeah. Because she like just, she will like push her boundaries. Of course. They all will. Yeah. They all will. You know, especially when they're really little because they want to figure out like,

okay, who can I get away with shit with? Totally. You know what I mean? Like it's all a test. She's testing. And me, I was the sucker for it. You know, like. There was nothing that I wouldn't do for Veda.

Like, you know, like, if she wanted something, I'll be like, okay. Like, I remember one time she, her mom told me that she had requested an American Girl doll, right? And I'm like, okay, I'm going to get her an American Girl doll. So I go to the American Girl Doll store. And they have fucking playset units and, like, all these different dolls with all. all these different skin colors, all different backgrounds. And I'm like, oh, man, so all right, we're going to get Vader. I found him when that she wanted.

And I was like, but she's got to have a friend. And they got to like hang out. So we got to get her two friends, right? We'll get this girl and then we get this girl. Oh, and they got to have a place to hang out. We got to get the place set. Yeah. The outfits.

The outfits. Yeah. I was, I spent like maybe a couple racks in there at this store, right? And, you know, I just, I always, when I had Vader, the first thing on my mind was it's like I want to make sure that her experience is a much better one than the one I had. You know what I mean? And like I don't ever want her to like need nothing. You know what I mean?

Like that that was like my main goal. Yeah, I think my brother is like that too with his daughter. Like you cannot say no. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And he'll come to me and I'm like, you don't, this is just my advice. I think every parent, like, you just knows their kid the best. But I was like, you can still give her everything, but just like not right away.

Right, right, right. Say, okay, if you have an amazing week at school and then, like, give it to her on Friday. Or like, you know. And it hope they forget. Yeah. No, but give it to her, but like, just make her wait like a little bit. Even a day or an hour, like, you know. And give her something to look forward to and work.

towards. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, even just being like, hey, you know, let me see a report card and then we can talk. Yeah. You know? But my daughter is just like, it's so fucking annoying because she's getting straight A's. It's like, fuck.

Yeah, right. You know what I mean? I was like, like, do something wrong. You know what I mean? Like, so I have to keep rewarding her. It's like, okay, I got to buy our card. You know, it's like, it's a whole thing. But it's, it is being a girl that specifically is, you know, such a blessing.

You know, I found this softness in my soul when my daughter was born. And I was 26 when I had her, when I had her, when her mom had her. You never know. And I was like, whop. That's not how it happens. He says it's not how it happens. It's just, it's just, whop. It's a way crazy.

Yeah. It's a whole thing. It's a whole thing. me and my wife are talking about having kids and I'm like all right I'm going to be in the room and I'm going to be like watching everything and making sure you're okay and she's like babe it's gonna be kind of intense

I don't know if you'll be able to stand there and I'm like I'm cool cool she's like you're gonna faint and I'm like I'm gonna faint like I'm like a faint what do you mean she's like you're gonna fucking faint just my dad fainted twice with me and my brother you're gonna faint

did you watch the first did you watch the birth of your daughter no no because my daughter was a month premature So my plan was I was going to go to Chicago to stay with Jackie two weeks leading up to when she was due. You know what I mean? To just spend time with her and be with her and all that, you know. But like a month premature and I was traveling somewhere.

I wasn't in town. So I couldn't get there that day, but I got there the next day. Right. So I didn't see any of the labor, you know. Which I was really bummed about. Yeah, of course. But my daughter, you know, she wanted to get here fast. Yeah.

You know? I think you should watch the next time. Okay. I think it's like really beautiful to experience. Okay. Okay. So I'm going to tell my wife, I'm like, Kylie said I should watch. So.

I know, right? She's like, actually, for you know, I said that. It's up to her. No, I'm using you as an excuse. It is her decision. I'm using you as an excuse over like Kylie said on the podcast. And you play the tape. You play the podcast.

Yeah, play the podcast. See, right here. Have your kids had any moments when they've realized that they're in the spotlight? Yeah, of course. I think it's like super maybe normal to them. But my- At this point it's normal. It's pretty normal. Yeah, yeah.

I think. You know, they see people like come up to me and, um, Like, asked me for photos and my son, not so much. My daughter for sure now. Yeah. She asked me the other day. She said, how, why are we famous? Why is our whole family famous?

Because that's crazy. I'm like, actually, let me try to answer this for you. Yeah, my family is just me and that's easier to explain to the kids. Yeah, she's like, when it's everybody. So love he's famous? I'm like, yeah, so did it? And I'm like, you know, but I think now that she's in school. Yeah.

She's asking more questions. I don't know if she's going to school and other kids are saying something. I don't know. Yeah. Because I think, you know, she says some kids are like fans of her dad and stuff. So I think it's becoming, you know, more present in her mind. Right. But she said, why are we famous?

And I was like, I sat down. I'm like, we started a television show when I was a year older than you. And that's how we, that's why we're all in this together because. we were all on the show together. She was like, can I watch it? And I'm like, sure. Oh, that's so dope. Sitting with your kids watching the show must be crazy.

So we watched the turn on the first episode. Some things I didn't realize were like inappropriate. So right when I knew that it was about to start playing, I like fast forward through all the inappropriate stuff. But I showed her like a cute scene of like a house party that we had and like just some little things that I knew were fine. She was like, okay, mommy, when can we watch episode? two and then she kind of left the room. I was so emotional after. Like, I don't know what hit me, but I was, like, weeping in my bed. Like, I don't know why that happened to me. I was just, like, maybe it's like my daughter being the same age as I was. Yeah. And just seeing, like,

my family and I'm like, you know, just feeling so grateful for all that we've built. And, like, but also mourning, like that closeness when we were all kind of living under the same roof. Yeah. Yeah. It was very emotional. I didn't know it was going to hit me like that. But it's a beautiful thing that at any given moment, you can go back. Yeah, that too.

And to see yourself as a kid and what that's like. Like, see, I don't have any videotapes of my childhood when I was younger. I only have photos. Yeah. So it must really be nice to just be able at any given time to like time travel. Yeah. It's like these super public home videos. Yeah.

It's super dope. It's a blessing. It's like, this is me at nine. Yeah. You know? What's the hardest part about keeping those boundaries for your kids? You know, like separating the madness outside in the world and your career and keeping it kind of normal with them? I think I do a really good job.

There's some things that I just can't control. Like when we go out in public and stuff like that. Yeah. And, you know, she'll kind of tell me now what she wants to do and what she doesn't want to do. Yeah. And just never feeling like this is like there's, you know, I never put her in, I don't know, I try my best. I really just try my best. Because sometimes I go through a year of like, I don't want to post a picture of them and I don't want them.

And then there'll be something where I'm like, oh, it's fine to post this picture. And I don't know. I kind of go back and forth. Yeah. But it seems like you have a nice balance. Yeah, I do. And that's great, you know, because the young mind is very sensitive in this world that we're in is fucking crazy. And it's hard to explain to the youth, to the babies sometimes.

Yeah. You know what I mean? And especially, like, when my daughter was really little, I saw she was like peace. it together. And I remember when I brought her on stage one time, the first time I brought on stage, like, I was worried. I was like, okay, I wonder if she's going to be freaked out by this crowd because we were in an arena. And my mom brings her out and she gives her to me. And my daughter is just like looking at the crowd with a very like, like, I wonder what this is. What's all these people here? Like, no fear. Okay. Like, totally just like, oh, this is

interesting. And I was like, do you want to say something? Do you want to say, say da-da? And she's like, da-da. And the crowd went crazy. I have to like look this up. Oh, yeah. It's online. It's online. So I took her out when she was two. That was the first time. And then I brought it out again when she was three. And she sang day and night in that second time. but she was just the bravest little kid like not phased and I you know actually talked about this before like I'm really curious to have conversations with my daughter when she's like a grown woman and just kind of talk to her like like what was your experience like growing up you know my daughter and seeing my life play out and all the shit that I do and You know, because I think at 15, she can't articulate that. She can't really, really explain to me what all this means and makes her feel. You know what I mean?

I think I need to wait until she's a little bit older where she can really, you know, let me know. Like, hey, dad, it was kind of crazy when this happened. I never told you. I was only 12, but like this was crazy. Well, you got to tell me. on the hello what she says because like that oh yeah man I mean that's hard it's really hard to navigate

yeah yeah and even like you know I was all in the news with the the ditty trial and all that shit was going crazy and like during that moment like I know my daughter saw something online you know I mean and I know she saw that shit and it's like I can't I can't like

protect her from that. Like, it's, it's, it's, it's something like that happens. And it's like, huge news. And everybody's talking about it. Did you talk to her about it? I had to explain. I think we had a conversation about it, you know. I feel like it's just about creating a safe space to be able to, like, if she does see

something, to come to you and ask. Yeah. Maybe it's just about having that conversation, you know? I definitely should, should have that. conversation because she is the type where she will see something and then not say anything to me. Yeah. Because she feels like it's out of line or she doesn't want to. It is weird to talk about sometimes.

Yeah, yeah. So. It's just, it's crazy, man. It's, you know, we're navigating something that only a few people really get a chance to do, really have to do, you know. But, uh, it's starting. It starts with us, right? It starts with the parents. You raise them right, you know, guide them, give them the rules of life.

You know what I mean? Make sure they're not assholes. Don't be a dick. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know? Like, and it goes back to what you were saying about kindness. Yeah. You know, it's kind of like that's pretty much what your family was teaching you is not to be a dick.

Like, just be nice to people. You know what I mean? And that goes a long way. Let's talk about Kylie cosmetics. Like, let's take it back. Like, how did this? this happen? You know, where did this idea come from? It came from like 15 year old me. I was obsessed with makeup. I think I started, I mean,

I know, I started creating like this fan base, like this very personal relationship with these young, you know, people. And I would go, you know, to the Mac store and I would go to the and I would like buy all these lip liners that I wanted to like, you know, overline my lips. And then I realized like, you know, my followers started becoming obsessed with like what color lipstick I was wearing. And I think that's when it was like, because there really wasn't something I found out there that was like my perfect thing. And a lip liner that matched the lipstick and the lip kit.

And I just like, I really wanted to do this. And I was always really passionate about makeup. Like I would be like 12 years old on YouTube. when YouTube first came out, like, watching tutorials and wearing, like, a purple eye shadow in sixth grade. And, like, so it just really was super authentic. And I, um, I brought my mom the idea, Chris Jenner. She one day, like, drove all around California.

Like, we just didn't know kind of. But we were, like, we didn't know where to start. Right. So it was, you know, hard to just kind of figure out how we were going to do this. But we found a factory in Oxnard. And, you know, I just, like, put up all my own money that I made from the show. And I owned 100% of my company. And I just, like, went for it.

No fear. And my mom was like, this is either going to be really great or you're going to have lots of lip kits in the garage. You know? And, you know, it was, I just had so much faith in it. Like, I really believed in it. But that's dope that you like, you know, a lot of people don't take the big swings in life. Yeah. You know what I mean?

People like play it safe. Yeah. You know, and you seem like somebody that takes the big swings. Yeah. Which is dope. Yeah. You know, I'm definitely the same way. Like, tell me a little bit, like, your approach with marketing and social media.

Like, how does that all work together? Like, what's your grand scheme? Well, it's totally different today than it was then because I remember my mom even saying to me, like, we were probably a week away from the first launch. And I was like, she was like, so, you know, what are we going to do? What's the marketing plan? Like, do we need to hire someone? Like, are we going to do a billboard or this or that? And I was just like, no, I'm just going to post on Instagram.

Like, that wasn't even a thing posting to promote your brand on Instagram. Right. No, I'm just, this is how, this is where my fans are. And like, this is what I'm going to do. She's like, okay, like good luck, basically. She didn't not believe in me. She was like a great support system. She just didn't understand.

It also was a new thing. It was a super new thing. Yeah. So I just like, no budget. I just like posted a picture of the lip kits on Instagram. And it was just like launching at this time. And, you know, it just people didn't do that at the time. But now I mean, marketing is so different.

Now it's like you have to get really creative because it's super like. oversaturated but in the best way. Like I love it too. Yeah, yeah. But you know, like you've built a fan base of loyal customers that love your products. Yeah. You know? And 10 years later, I mean, I'm just like so grateful because I really love it.

So I go to work every day in the office and I'm just like, I can't believe I get to play with makeup all day. Oh, so you'd be going to the office. Oh, I'm super involved. Like really crazy about everything. I mean, I do the Instagram, like myself. Like I do all the posts. I do all the marketing, all the shoots, picking the models, all the makeup, all the formulas, all knowing all the factories.

That's so dope. Yeah. Oh, man. I didn't know that. It's hard for me to like hand it off. Yeah. Because it's my baby. Yeah.

And that's true. Like when you, like I find that I'm learning that too now with things that I'm working on. Like, I feel like, you know, it might seem like a heavy lift to other people, but like when you have a vision and you know how things are supposed to be, it's kind of like you have to quarterback the shit. You know what I mean? To make sure it's executed in the right way. Totally. You know? How important do you think authenticity is for people to connect with your brand?

I think it's like the most important thing. Yeah. I think people can tell when it's not authentic. and I think that's like the reason why it was so successful because people knew my love for makeup and lipstick and yeah. Yeah, it felt legit. It felt legit. Is there any advice you've gotten in your career that you think was just like the best shit ever to hear?

In my career? Yeah. Because you had to get some advice for like you're like a super businesswoman entrepreneur. Thank you. You know what I mean? Somebody had to give you some. guidance to like, you know, get you into that space. I mean, a few things that just off the top of my head, kindness, I think gets you really far.

This is true. And watching my sisters, especially when I was younger, be so kind to everyone that they worked with was really inspiring to me because then it, you know, you build these relationships and you you know, like you would do a great photo shoot and that photographer then tells everyone, oh my God, she was so amazing to work with. And it opens up this more opportunities. And I really feel like that's a huge reason why my family and my older sisters became so successful is because they were just so kind to everyone and great to work with.

So that was really inspiring and something I carried with me. and then probably just like the energy that I'm having now, just trying not to let anyone's like opinions about me affect my dreams. Like I don't want to look back on life and be like, oh my God, I had the world of my hands and I didn't like take the opportunity to do all these things that I've dreamt about, you know, and I like lost my chance basically. Yeah. So that's become a fear of mine and I'm really like, there's something that happens when your frontal lobe develops and you turn like in your late 20s or something.

And you're like, I don't know. Yeah. What are some of your proudest moments as a businesswoman? Honestly, like customers being really happy. Like seeing an organic video on TikTok that isn't a paid ad and someone really loves the product. Yeah. Like it's not like they were paid to do it. Yeah.

And that makes me really happy. That's really satisfying. Yeah, that's dope. What's the biggest lesson you learned about being a business owner in that time? Biggest lesson. Because I'm sure there were a lot of ups and downs. Lots of ups and downs. A lot of trial in the era, since, like you said, it was a new thing.

Yeah, I think that. You know what a lesson was to, you know, sometimes, like, if people were pushing me to put out something that wasn't ready, or I felt like it wasn't ready. I kind of would listen or follow this like schedule. And now I'm like, hard no. It's not ready. I would rather wait four years than drop it when it's not ready, you know?

Or not drop it at all. So I think just having that mentality is like just making, really making sure everything is perfect and there's not like no slipups. Would you say you're a perfectionist? Mackenzie's like, my style is. Yes, perfectionist or like meticulous. Yeah. Like, you know, very like, like very particular.

Detail oriented. Detail oriented. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With everything, like my outfits, my hair, my this, my, you know. Yeah, I remember when I hit you up about doing the podcast, he was like, got to get the Glam Squad ready. I was like, oh, that's right. She's got to get her shit right.

She can't just show up like me, throwing a fucking t-shirt and just brush my teeth and go out the door. Yeah. I find that being a perfectionist is to some people you might seem like a crazy person, you know? I say this all the time. I have to be like, I know I'm being a crazy person, but I can't help myself. Yeah, man. It's crazy.

But it's, man, when you're when you're focused and you have a vision, You know, sometimes, look, that's what it's about, right? You want to make sure the product that you're making is the best thing that it can be. You know what I mean? Yes. And we were talking about music and the fact that I'm kind of taking my time with it. Like, I just want to make sure I have the time to make sure it's the best shit. It can be.

100%. This is the end of the show where we do the right. wrap up. Okay. Right? We'll just these rapid fire questions. What is your morning routine? We know you're an early bird.

You know 7 a.m. You get started. Coffee. You respond to text messages. Coffee. We know that. Mm-hmm. What else is there?

And then I check on my kids. Okay. So my daughter's going to school. My son is having his breakfast. Mm-hmm. I'm like on fire in the morning. Do you feel that? When I, when you text.

me back after two minutes and I text you at 7.30 a.m. I was like, okay. Yeah, I thrive. I'm like, then I'm, you know, after I have my morning and my coffee and my kids, then I like, we'll check my phone. You know, there's usually, I work from my phone too, which is kind of weird. Yeah. I don't really have a computer. Same. I very rarely, I started writing scripts again, so I'm using a laptop. But like, for years, I just operate off my phone. Yeah. So that kind of feels weird because it feels. feels like I'm like doing something wrong. But I do some work off my phone and then I'm usually like at the office like three or four days a week, whether it's meetings or photo shoots. And so then I'll head off to work.

Wow. What is your favorite movie of Timmy's? I need to know. Like what's the one movie? That's hard for me because I feel like I really love them all. Yeah. But call me by your name is pretty like perfect. It's just pretty perfect.

And I really love the dunes. Yeah, the dunes are strong. Yeah. I'm ready for that new one in December. Me too. I'm ready. We got had Timmy come through and we talk about Dune. But no, call me by your name.

I remember that was when me and around that time was when me and Timmy reunited since he was 17. Oh, okay. Wow. Yeah. And like after you stop filming, after you finished it? Well, no, during when it was out, and it was like, you know, the press run and he was winning awards and he would thank me and talk about me. And I was just like, this kid keeps thanking me in this speech. I was like, do I know him?

I was like, because he does not look the same as when he was 17. It looked like a totally different person. It was just a brief moment in my life, you know what I mean? So I just forgot what he looked like. And I couldn't make the connection. His team reached out. And then I figured it all out. I was like, oh, that's the kid that I met when he was 17.

And so ever since then, like when we reconnected, like, he took me to see, call me by your name in the theater. Oh, wow. And he bought the tickets. And we went to a spot in Las Felas. And super dope. And ever since then, that's been our thing for us to watch his movies together. Oh, you know. I love that.

It's like tradition. I've seen all his shit, you know, in the theater with him for the most part. And you were there when we saw Wanka. Oh, I mean, I saw it like seven times. When did we see it together? We saw seven times. Yeah. But this is when I rented the theater and we had all the kids come through.

Oh, yeah, of course, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I wasn't there. Oh, okay. I wasn't there. Okay, okay. I remember when you guys were doing that, though. Yeah, that was fun.

Yeah, that was a good time. I was worried about you guys. Why? I was just, like, you're posting your location and you're all going to a theater. Like, I'm scared. Well, no, it's, it's, it's, it's something I do. It's just a crazy thing. No, it's cool.

My fans, they always on their best behavior. Nobody's creepy. Everybody's fucking chill. They're just happy that they got a free ticket to the movies, free popcorn, and they get a chance to be in a room with us and watch a movie. I love that. You know what I mean? they're super respectful. That's special.

What's one thing you nerd out on that people might be surprised about? Maybe like playing Sims or something. Okay. You know, like I can't really think of anything. Sims is fun, no, man. When you fall on that rabbit hole, it's a whole fucking thing. Yeah. You know.

My Kendall and I have been playing Sims since we were little and we're still playing it to this day. And we'll just like play for like six hours. And even now, we'll FaceTime each other and we like don't even really talk. But we're just there. And we're like, we play and we like, you know, make our families. And then we just thought of a new idea. Now we make people that like we know. So like we'll make our friends and stuff.

And then all have been a house together. And it's just it's fun. And there's like so many worlds now. Oh man, that's so crazy. I haven't played the Sims in a minute. I just remember they had that funny-ass way of talking. Yeah, they have their own language. Wait, but did you see, I saw on TikTok or something, the women, there's a woman's, like,

she's a real person and she does the, she does the voiceovers for Sims. And she knows. Yeah, I thought, I don't know why I'm thinking for some reason. Is it like a proper language? There's a proper language. No way. Yes. And she like knows.

You have to watch this video. I'll send this to you also after. But she starts talking, me and Kendall, obviously. I think, you know what? Kendall sent me this video.

Kendall sent me to be like, oh my God, fan-girling out on this, like, this is the sound, the voice. Because it's such an iconic voice. Yeah, man.

Oh, my God. I got to see this. Send that to me. I will. Yeah. Your sister Chloe lost a podcast. Have you thought about starting your own podcast? I think it would be a smash.

Like, you should really think about that. I haven't. Really? No. Well, you got a million things going on. But if you want me to, like, come and co-host again, like, maybe I'll, like, co-host someone else, you know. Cutty and Kylie. Big bro and big, sis.

That would be fire. We might have to do a special episode. Like, every once in a while, we do a special episode. I would love that. And it's me and you and in another guest and we interview someone. Yeah. That would be fire. That would be fire.

We should get Kendall on here or something. Yes. Let's do that. That was my next question. I was going to ask you, who else do you think we should have on the show? I think we need Kendall on here. Okay. We need one more chair in between us.

We'll get one more chair. And all the questions are about Sims. All about Sims. All about Sims. I'm down. I'm down. Kendall, we're inviting you on the podcast. Big bro and big sis.

Now, like I said, I know I know you. have fucked with my music for a long time. So I just need to know, like, what is your favorite? If it's not your favorite, just what's the first song that comes to mind when you think of my music? Like, which song is your shit? Higher. Oh, oh, deep cut.

Nice. Nice. That's like I grew up on that song. Yeah, yeah. I've smoked a lot of weed to that song. You know what? That gives me something that you can't explain. I can't explain it.

Like, that makes me feel so good in my soul. It honestly makes me want to cry now. Oh my God. But no, it's really, it's really refreshing that you said that. Yeah, it left an imprint on me for sure. That's so dope. Yeah. So dope.

So dope. I also live Man on the Moor 3. Man on Moon 3 is the shit. Oh, thank you. Thank you so much. That was like 2020, right? Yeah, 2020. Yeah.

And that was a-old. I like gotten shaped to that album. That was like my workout album. I think during that time I saw you post a story. with one of the songs. That's like all I listened to And I remember somebody sending to me and I said,

Yo, Kylie, he posted your shit. And I was like, shut the fuck up. I was like, that's cap. It was like, no, niggas she just see posting her car right now. She's just posting in the stories. I'm like, man, let me see what you. I went to your page, saw the story

and I was like, shut the fuck up. I was like, no way. Lots of workout videos. Lots of like, that was like my 2020. Ah, that's dope. That's dope. Man, that album for me, that was a scary one, man.

to be able to to dip back into the man on the moon shit after 10 years since the last one and be able to come up with something for that time that felt new that didn't feel like I was trying to be like anything of that time and introduce people to some new vibes like it either could have been

it either could have gone extremely well or it could have been a disaster. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like I feel like my career was on the line with that album just because of what I built with the first two men on the moons. Like people were just... Yeah.

It's a lot of pressure. It was like, you know, but I went into it very confident because I, in my head, I knew the style of record, like what I wanted to make. You know what I mean? And I felt like, you know, I was coming off of Kitsy Ghost and people were really excited about that. That kind of brought me back.

And people were checking for me again. And I was like, man, well, I have people's attention. People have been asking me about a man on the moon three for years. Let me just go ahead and just deliver. But make it something that I want to make. Like make something that I think is cool. I loved it. Yeah.

Thank you so much. September 16. Yeah. It's like one I have on my little playlist right now. Oh shit. So I'm like listening to that again. Oh, man. Thank you so much.

Thank you so much. Yeah, that was me being sensitive, you know. Yeah, I love that. And what's the biggest moonshot? What's the goal? What is an ambition or something that you haven't done that you think seems impossible that people wouldn't expect you to do, you know? I'm going to like double down on like an album or a movie or something.

Yeah, yeah. It feels like so big right now. Yeah. Well, we should definitely talk about the album. I would really love to help you out with that. I would love that. You know what I mean? Yeah.

You just vibe out. And, you know, I think one thing that could be cool with your project is exploring just different realms sonically. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? I want to play for a little bit. Yeah. Like I want to take like a few months to just like kind of see what can happen.

Yeah. Well, that's important, man. I think that's how you end up finding the good shit. Because if you put in the time and you just explore, you know, you never know what you're fine. I know. I'm excited. Thank you so much, man. Thank you for having me. This was great. This was perfect. Hey, thanks for coming through the attic, y'all. Make sure you subscribe on YouTube or wherever you get your podcast and follow the show on social media at Big Brocutty. Until next time. Love yourself. Take care of each other. And dream all.

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