Big Bro with Kid Cudi - Mike Epps Swaps Wild Stories with Kid Cudi: Baby Mama Drama, Classic Movies & Weird Hobbies 🤣

Episode Date: May 27, 2026

MIKE EPPS IS HERE Y'ALL!! Come cackle with a comedy legend today. We dive into his craziest stories, from working with Eddie Murphy on Dolemite Is My Name to the #1 thing he learned about comedy from ...Ice Cube on Next Friday. Mike gets into the chaos behind the scenes of The Hangover and what it's like to be the only Black guy in the room on set. He reveals his five favorite comedies of all time, how to build an hour of standup, and what it's like to bomb on stage. This man will come get you on one wheel if you don't watch your BACK. Honestly we just laughed for like an hour. Press play. Rock w/ our sponsors!! Sunglass Hut: I pulled up to Sunglass Hut looking for some summer shades, and honestly, it was a whole EXPERIENCE. Visit Sunglass Hut and find YOUR perfect pair of shades for summer. 😎 new eps of Big Bro launch every Wednesday 🚀 Big Bro is a Wave Original.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for more good vibes, tune in everywhere @bigbrocudi ⁠⁠instagram.com/bigbrocudi⁠⁠ ⁠⁠tiktok.com/@bigbrocudi #kidcudi #bigbrocudi Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:39 So they start saying, this dude's a joke. And I'm like, no, I'm not, motherfucker. I ride one wheel. I knew a real pimp named Baby Powder. They called him Baby Powder because he would slap his women with powder. It wasn't baby powder he was slapping them with. He'd be sitting there snarlinged cates. Did not tip.
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Starting point is 00:01:35 Presented by Adobe Acrobatty. I'm your Big Bro, Scott. Coming to you live from the attic of my mind. Get ready to laugh your ass off because this week I'm sitting down with a true comedy legend. Mike Epps. He talks about everything Ice Keep taught him working on the Friday movies. He's one of the funniest guys alive, and he really understands comedy as an artist.
Starting point is 00:01:55 He's on tour right now, so check the date so you can hit up a show. Man, this is one of my favorite episodes. So kickback, vibe out, and enjoy. See you on the other side. Mike. Cutty, what's up? Cutty. Mike, thanks for doing this, man.
Starting point is 00:02:11 Cutty in the Cutlass. Did you get your name from my cutlass? No, but Cutlass Supreme is my dream car. Because I'm from Cleveland. They used to drive them all the time. Yeah, glass houses. Yeah. Man, so how you been, man?
Starting point is 00:02:22 What's new? You're on tour right now? I'm on tour right now, man. We finishing out the We the One's tour. We got about a couple more dates left, but it's been crazy good. Nice, nice, man. I got to come check you, bro. Thank you, man.
Starting point is 00:02:35 Man, well, just to explain this set, this is supposed to represent the addict in my mind. And everything in this space is like things that represent me or whatever. That's right. What would be in the attic in your mind that represents a young Mike? You know what I mean? Basically the same stuff. The same shit, right? Yeah, I got a vintage house that in my hometown, one day when you're in Indianapolis,
Starting point is 00:03:00 you got to stop through. Oh, definitely. It's one of my family's houses. I built a bunch of houses up in the neighborhood, but I kept one of them original. Nice. So it's got everything original in. The floor model television work, everything in there works. Oh, that's crazy.
Starting point is 00:03:16 Yeah, that's the 90s joint. That's the magic, though. That's the magic. You know what I mean? Yeah. You know, and also with comedy. Right. You know, the timing, you gotta be, it's got to be right.
Starting point is 00:03:27 Yeah. You know? And, like, I've had the opportunity to do some comedies here and there. And, you know, people have let me be free. I've seen that joint you did when you had the suit on, the black and white suit with the tie. Was it, hold on, it was a TV show or was it a movie? It might have been a TV show. Was it knuckle?
Starting point is 00:03:46 It could have been, but you were really good in it. Oh, thank you, man. It was like, I was really surprised and excited to see you. Man, you got to see me do stand-up. Well, we got to do a show together. Oh, that would be great. You got to come and open up for me. Man, I would love that.
Starting point is 00:04:02 Come on, let's say that. I would love that. That could be dope. That, like, because, man, you do a song for me and then I do a stand-up for you. Okay. Perfect. Perfect. We got a plan.
Starting point is 00:04:13 Y'all heard that right here on Big Bro. On Big Bro. You're locked in. And before we came in here, you played me something. Yeah. And I want you to talk a little bit about your comedy album. Well, you know, I got a comedy. Can you talk about it?
Starting point is 00:04:26 Yeah, I can talk about it. Well, you know, I've always considered myself a hip-hop comic. Yeah. You know, you have different versions of comics. I would consider, like, Dave Chappelle, like a jazz comedic. Yeah. You know, he's like a Miles Davis. to me.
Starting point is 00:04:47 Yeah. Okay. You know? Yep. And I consider myself a hip hop comic because my whole world has come from hip hop. I've been in, I've done so many songs. I've been on songs with M&M. I got a, I got a song on Ice Cube's album, Man Down right now that I wrote and helped produce
Starting point is 00:05:07 with Zay Tovin, man. So I've been, I've always been on people's album. I mean like I was on, there was a group called Group home back in the day. Two guys called group home. Yeah. They were some rappers out of New York back in the early 90s.
Starting point is 00:05:24 That was like maybe one of the first albums that I was on. And then I've been on Gucci Man's album. I've been on... Nice. Man, I've been on so many people's albums, you know, related to music. So I decided to do my own album.
Starting point is 00:05:40 And I hooked up with a guy named Tony Draper. I don't know if you know Tony Draper, but Swive House. He was... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. One that created 8 Ball, MJG and Tila. Aibor, MJG. Shout out the legends.
Starting point is 00:05:52 Yeah, Tony Draper, man. Great Tony Draper. So I hooked up with him, man, and we got an album coming out about 12, 13 songs. I got songs with Squarface, Raphael Sadiq, E40. Kid Cuddy. Kid Cuddy. Pretty good. I got to get up on there.
Starting point is 00:06:11 I got to get on there, man. I was telling him about my song Willis that I did with my dude. from my last album, I think he would love it. It's pretty ridiculous. Like, man, after this, I'll play it for you, bro. Yeah. Man, so I definitely want to talk about the hits. You know what I mean?
Starting point is 00:06:29 All the amazing movies you've done from Friday to hangover and everything in between. I want to start off with Friday, you know. When that came out, like, that's how a lot of people discovered you, right? kind of walked me through like how that came to be, the audition, how you got the script. Was it a really intense kind of like process to get the role? Like just kind of talk about that. It was. You know, the Friday movie, as we all know, the first Friday was incredible.
Starting point is 00:07:02 Successful. Chris Tucker killed it. Ice Cube, of course, point guard it. And then the second Friday came up. And at the time I was, you know, I hadn't done anything. Well, I did one movie before it in was called Three Strikes. Okay. With DJ Pooh.
Starting point is 00:07:19 Okay. And I did a cameo in that movie, but I hadn't had a big break. So when the Friday movie came along, it was like, this was my break. Yeah. You know, this was my break. I was doing stand-up one night, and a friend of mine told me Ice Cube was in the house. Ice Cube, John Singleton, they were there auditioning comics. And I did my thing on the stage.
Starting point is 00:07:44 And I got on stage, my buddy said, Ice Cube's over there. And I went to meet Ice Cube, and he said, can you act? And I said, hell yeah. You got a movie for me? He said, well, we auditioned it for the next Friday movie. And then, you know, my manager Niles got me in the play to audition for it. But it wasn't easy because Chris Tucker had did such a great job in the first one. It must have been a lot of pressure.
Starting point is 00:08:10 It was. I had to follow that. But, you know, coming from where I came, from, man, any opportunity was golden for me. So I took the opportunity, audition for it. I know the audition process was long. It was hideous. It was like a three-week process.
Starting point is 00:08:29 And in the three weeks of auditioning, and I've seen every piece of competition in the business, they're auditioning. Wow. From the Great Marlon Wayans to Brian Hooks to, I mean, everybody. And I got it. I end up getting the role, man. No way.
Starting point is 00:08:47 I end up getting the role. And I never forget, the first day I was on the set, it was really, really quiet and somber. Everybody was like, and it kind of threw me off. And the first scene I did. Which one? When I came downstairs and I ran outside with the pepper spray and the grilled pepper spray.
Starting point is 00:09:08 I told Ice Cube, I said, man, they ain't laughing. And he said, it ain't time for them to laugh. Oh, okay. I said, okay. I said, because I never understood the movie process until I got in it. Because, you know, you're following a script. Yeah. So, you know, when you're new to it, you don't understand that some scenes are just to carry the skip script through.
Starting point is 00:09:31 Yeah. It ain't meant for you to be funny in the moment. Right, right, right, right, right. He said, I'll let you know when it's time to be funny. Right. So, you know, that was the process of that. That's crazy. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:42 That's crazy. I mean, how did you feel like the reaction? Like, were you, like, relieved? You saw that, like, people, like, loved it. Because, like, man, what you did, it was so smart, right? Because you didn't come in. And try to be Chris Tucker. No.
Starting point is 00:10:00 No. You. And that was the hardest part. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's like, how do you come in? And you came in on some, like, this is me. This is what I can bring to the. the table art something different and it's still going to be funny as fuck yes right everything that came
Starting point is 00:10:19 out of day day mouth was hilarious even when it was shit that wasn't even meant to be a joke you're settled yeah you know what I said it was just like the character itself is probably one of the greatest characters in comedy I appreciate that man thank you man so like how did you feel when you saw that like the reaction was like acceptance You know, man, I always been a critic on myself. So, you know, I always think I can do better. And I always tell people this. I'm like, I'd already had it set up if I didn't get the,
Starting point is 00:10:56 if I didn't do good in the movie and the movie didn't do good, I had 100 pounds of weed ready to go. I was going to drive 100 pounds of weed back to my hometown. Man, I already said it. You had plan B. You was ready. And I told the dude that was going to sell me the weed. I said, that's okay.
Starting point is 00:11:11 He said, what happened? I said, I think I'm in the movie business. You know, so it was a blessing, man, to be able to get my, get my shit off, man. You know, after, especially after working so hard, man, you know, I look at a lot of these young comics now, you know, which I love a lot of them. The process of me making it and coming to how far I was, man, I had to really, really grind because social media wasn't out. No, no, no. You know, so the business was one. through word of mouth.
Starting point is 00:11:43 The business was one through live experiences. Real human experiences where people seen me doing it. Yeah, yeah. And then putting me on. So, you know, I did a lot of clubs, a lot of bar and grills.
Starting point is 00:11:58 I lived in New York before I got before I moved to L.A. So, you know, the New York stand-up scene was like a boot camp for me. I did shows, man. Sometimes I would do five shows a night. Shit. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:11 Five shows a night. I get on a train at 7 o'clock and ride to Brooklyn and do two shows and get on the train and come back to Manhattan and get in the cab and go to Queens. Sometimes I didn't get in the house to 2 o'clock in the morning, but I had to scrape that rent money up
Starting point is 00:12:27 because them shows weren't paying them but $75 a show, you know? Yeah, man. And I can relate to that, man, like the work ethic. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:37 It's like people don't understand like before day and night I was out here. working on my jobs, doing open mics, peace style battles. You know what I'm saying? Putting in the work. So by the time people did discover me,
Starting point is 00:12:50 I was polished. Yeah, it looked like you came out of nowhere. But you had been working on that shit. Yeah, exactly. And that's been my thing. And same thing with you. Like, every time I see you, you work and you're doing your thing. You're in this movie.
Starting point is 00:13:01 You're doing stand-up. You're all over the place. And that's the same thing that, like, you don't lose that. You know what I mean? You don't lose it. Like when you're, when something, is your dream and you're afforded the opportunity to do that for a living, you don't take it for granted.
Starting point is 00:13:17 No. You know what I'm saying? It could be that one day on set where it's like 20 degrees and you in a t-shirt and it's supposed to be summer. You know what I mean? And it's still grueling. But you don't bitch about it. You're like, look, man, I'm living out my dreams.
Starting point is 00:13:31 That's right. And that's what I tell a lot of young kids. I'm like, when you have a real dream and you have a goal, you're excited about the grind. Yeah, exactly. You know, there was something on the inside of me that told me I was going to make it. Yeah. That's what kept me going.
Starting point is 00:13:49 Yeah. That's what made me do $65, $75 shows and can still walk out of there smiling. Because I knew I was on a mission for a reason. I'm like, ain't no way I'm doing all this grind and ain't nothing going to come out of it. Yeah. So, you know, for all the youth out there that's watching this,
Starting point is 00:14:05 you know, be in the present of your grind, man, and embrace it. Yeah. Because it's real. It's going to turn into something. You're going to be able to cash in on it. Yeah. And they always say, like, my manager playing Pat at the time used to say this.
Starting point is 00:14:19 He used to say there's no better time than the come up. No better time. You know what I'm saying? After the come up, then you're used to the glamour and all the success and whatever, whatever. Like me, it's 18 years in, I haven't experienced that excitement about, like, the come up. Yeah. Because it was like the, it was like the on. known was exciting.
Starting point is 00:14:41 It was. You know what I mean? It was like, you can remember those great nights. Yeah, yeah. And it's really weird because after you're successful, you wish you could tap back into it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:14:51 You know. Yeah, man. Time passes by and, you know, the moment that you're in now is the moment that you're supposed to be in. You really can't go backwards. Yeah, no, no, definitely. I wanted to also ask you, too,
Starting point is 00:15:03 just about Friday. Was there a lot of improv, did they let you kind of play and have fun with it? Yeah, you know, that's what I am. I'm a, I'm an improvvision. I don't know how to really say that. Improvisinist. Improv.
Starting point is 00:15:20 And you know, for a filmmaker, that could be difficult. Yeah. Sometimes because people are used to working off of a page. But a guy like Ice Cube who cast you, he, you know, he's really, really smart when it comes, because he cast people for who they are and what they are, what they do. Yeah. He knew what my expertise was, and he said, you know what?
Starting point is 00:15:48 I'm a cast this guy, because I know I'm gonna get more. I'll never forget, when I walked him, I was nervous about the script, and I told Ice Cube, he said, let's run some lies. He took the script out of my hand and threw it. You don't need this shit. I'm like, wait, wait, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Oh, cute? Yeah, wait a minute, man.
Starting point is 00:16:07 He said, you know, he said, you know, you know, I'm going to let you do your thing. And what we're going to do is, what's on this paper, we're going to get two of them, and I'm going to let you do three of yours. And three of mine is put what you want to put on it. You know, and if you want to flip it, you can flip it.
Starting point is 00:16:27 Oh, that's dope. You know. And again, like I said, it was a blessing to work with somebody like that because usually writers and directors, they are, they're married to the words. Yeah. But a movie like Friday, you can't, you know, Chris Tucker, myself, A.J. Johnson, Bernie Mac, guys that came from the stand-up world, you know, to work with us, you know that that's what we do.
Starting point is 00:16:53 Yeah. We improv and it's the best stuff come out of our brain and our mind and stuff that we, they come from us. No, man, that's so dope, bro. I wanted to, like, ask a little bit more about some movies, like, in particular, like, This is, this was such a random casting for me. I didn't understand it. But it was the best, Cassie, like, whoever casted you in this movie, I hope they got a raise. How the fuck did you get in Resident Evil, bro?
Starting point is 00:17:25 Wow. Like, how did that happen? Well, you know. It seems like it's a long story. It is a long story. You know, some of these movies, I play a black guy in them, you know. And that, that was one I played a black guy. because I was the only black guy in it.
Starting point is 00:17:42 You know, when you're in a movie with an all-white cast, you're playing a black guy in the movies. Basically, every black guy. Yeah, so, you know, at the time I had a, I was at CAA, man, I had an agent named Brent Joe, and that's what he always talked about. He was like, you know, you got to be seen with more than just black people.
Starting point is 00:18:03 So he got me in that movie. You know? He's like, you know, you're in a movie business. You got to do more. more than black movies. So he connected me with the producers, man, and they put me in the movie. I remember I did the first one,
Starting point is 00:18:17 and we shot it in Mexico City. That was my favorite one. That's crazy, right? We shot that movie in Mexico City, and I forget the director's name, but he was drunk the whole time. I mean, I'll never work with a guy like that, and he did a great job, you know.
Starting point is 00:18:37 It was a method to the madness It was a method to the madness Then I did I did two and three Yeah yeah I remember Yeah and you know I always tell people If you sign up for a horror movie
Starting point is 00:18:50 And you're black You're gonna die You're not gonna live They didn't tell me I was gonna die But I knew it You just So the director came to me and said I got to tell
Starting point is 00:19:04 I said I'm dead I'm dead You got it let's go So, you know, you're not going to live in a horror movie as a black person, period. Oh, my God. That's so true. Yeah, it's got to go. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:20 I've only done one horror movie where I survived. What? Yeah. But it was kind of like I did this movie trap, M. Night Shyamalan's trap with Josh Hardin. I think I seen it. And I played like a gay pop star. Uh-huh. And I kind of, I'm best friends with the...
Starting point is 00:19:38 That's why you didn't die. No, yeah. I wasn't, I didn't get in the way. Like, I didn't get in the way. It wasn't a hard criminal. No, no. I had guns. I was shooting people.
Starting point is 00:19:50 They was like, this mother got to go. This is like, you're going to die. Yeah, he's got to die. You was playing a nice, soft, cult character, you know. You know, you don't live. I get it. He's got a great perm, his hair is fucking, I had this blonde bust down. We can't kill this dude.
Starting point is 00:20:09 So I want to talk about baby powder from how high. Baby powder. Was there a lot of improv in this? Like, how did this come to be? Was what we saw written or did you get a chance to play a lot? When I get a role, Cuddy, I'm like, if I read it and there's nothing there, I have to bring it all there. Right. And I shot a movie.
Starting point is 00:20:29 That was the great Bob Dylan. His son was directing. His name was Jesse Dillon. And Method Man, Red Man was in the movie. And when I got the script, I'm like, man, it ain't nothing there. Right. I got to put something on it. So I went to the director.
Starting point is 00:20:46 I'm like, dude, I knew a real pimp named Baby Powder. That's all he wore was light blue. And they called him Baby Powder because he would slap his women with powder. You know? it wasn't baby powder he was slapping them with he was slapping them with cocaine because he'd be doing the coke he'd be sending that snarling the cugs say
Starting point is 00:21:15 did not tip and cocaine fly everywhere in the woman that I said oh man so I brought that character back to life and I used baby powder I didn't use cocaine I mean I have used cocaine before but I didn't use it in this movie and I wouldn't have never slapped nobody with it. I had a careful for myself.
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Starting point is 00:23:21 How was it playing Black Doug in the Hangover movies? Black Doug and the Hangover movies. That was another fish out of water opportunity for me. you know, I tell people all the time that movie right there was a gamble movie. Yeah. That whole movie was a movie
Starting point is 00:23:39 that nobody knew it was going to do what it did. It was just a bunch of funny dudes. John Ham and all the guys getting together, Ed Ham and them getting together and shooting that movie. But it was great to do, you know. Sometimes when you're the only black guys
Starting point is 00:23:56 sitting there with white guys and your comics, you know, you have to find the rhythm of how they do comedy. Yeah. And that was a little difficult for me at first because black audiences, you know, when we laugh, we celebrate. We fall out the chair, we slap our hand, we stomp our feet. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:16 And when you get around, you know, white audiences, they laughing, but they don't laugh like that. Yeah. So when I got on the set and I was cracking jokes, they were like, ha-ha. You know, white people sing when they talk. They're like, oh, wow. That was good.
Starting point is 00:24:41 Oh, man. That's all I heard was like singing words, you know. That's how white people express their excitement. And that shit threw me off. I'm like, these motherfuckers ain't laughing. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, shit. Because I'm used to motherfuckers falling out the chair and running.
Starting point is 00:24:57 You know, black people run when they laugh and shit. And I'm like, okay, they ain't laughing. But when it came out on film, it was good. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. It was good. So, like, let me ask you about that one scene where Zach Galaphanakis comes up. And he's like, what's up, my nigga?
Starting point is 00:25:17 Like, you be like, excuse me? Was that in the script? Or did he just? Because there's like, I saw some conversations online where you just do it out there. That wasn't in the script. Okay. And when they said cut, I told him, you know, I'm supposed to. to slap shit out of you, right?
Starting point is 00:25:33 And he was like, what? I was like, I'm supposed to be slapping the shit out of you, but since we in motion picture, we're in film, I'm glad to be working with some white guys. I'm gonna let you slide on that. But I hurry up and called him two, three honkies the first chance I got. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:25:58 Cracker and some old white shit. You know what I mean? But it's all in comedy, man. You know, that's the thing about comedy, man. In the midst of shooting a film, something can come out of somebody's mouth and you've got to just stay in character. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:15 Whether you like it or not. Because you're on camera. Yeah. You're on film, you know. And that's what I do. I walk up to people sometimes and say shit that they don't even know I'm a say just to get the real reaction.
Starting point is 00:26:28 Yeah. And I think that's what they were doing. You know, you might have seen my reaction. They might not have. showed that part of him saying that, but they definitely kept my reaction to him saying it and put it somewhere in the film. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:42 You know, because that's what they're looking for. Directors are, they're looking for a reaction. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Is there a movie of yours that you think is underrated? A movie called All About the Benjamins. Oh, that's not underrated, though.
Starting point is 00:26:56 That's like top three for me. When I say it's underrated, you know, industry-wise. Oh, yeah. Okay. It was underrated. You know, when you see them do a three or a two or a three of a movie, that's when it's not underrated. That means it was on the radar. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:27:16 But that was a movie that was really underrated. But culturally, what it did for the culture. Yes. And I always tell people, man, I've always been ahead of my time. Yeah. You know, the things that I come up with, the things that I do when I do them, for some reason, they don't hear. hit it that time, but when somebody else go do that shit, it becomes great.
Starting point is 00:27:40 Yeah. So, you know, I've always considered myself a trendsetter and some of the things that I do at the moment, they're just not, you know, feasible. The people just don't get it. Yeah. But somebody else will go do that shit and it'll blow up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:00 I lay groundwork and people just come along, build the house. Right. And I'm cool with that, you know, because I understand my position. I know what I do. So I get my flowers in different areas. Yeah. Not always on the front line, but, you know, I know what I am and I know what I've given to the culture. Right.
Starting point is 00:28:23 And, you know, I can see it. My audience can see it. People can see it. But, you know, the business is political. I don't think I've ever been a part of the club. Yeah. You know. But one thing I will say is that you are one of the most beloved comics.
Starting point is 00:28:44 Thank you. And I want to give you your flowers. I appreciate that. You know what I'm saying? Thank you. You are someone who is always batting a thousand. I don't think I've ever seen you do a dud. I appreciate that.
Starting point is 00:28:59 Everything that comes out of your mouth is funny, creative. just on these things that will come out of your mouth you know what I mean and that is rare and I can say that for you too oh thank you man I think you're one of those guys too
Starting point is 00:29:13 I think you're like you got Prince and then you have Rick James yeah you have Kanye West and then you have Kit Cutty yeah and there's not nothing to say bad
Starting point is 00:29:24 it's just that there's positions in the culture you know you reign supreme in your position you know and I tell kids all the time, you know, I tell my kids, I said, you know, in life, you can be labeled number five, but be number one.
Starting point is 00:29:40 Yeah. You know? Yeah, that's true. You can be number one at any number. The way to be number one at any number, and not taking nothing from the people who are labeled number one because they label number one for a reason. Right, right. You know.
Starting point is 00:29:57 Prince and Kanye, they label number one for a reason because they are number one. Yeah. But you got guys that are number one as well that just don't get put in number one slots. Yeah. But their work and leave it to their audience, they're the best thing ever since sliced bread. And I think I've had to remind myself of that very fact.
Starting point is 00:30:20 All the time. Everything you just said. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Because you could, especially with social media now and just like, it's discouraging. Yeah, you know, you could see some shit online and be like, oh, man.
Starting point is 00:30:31 Yeah. Maybe people don't want to hear. me or maybe I'm, you know, I've been doing this 18 fucking years, man, maybe I'm at the tail end of my career. Yeah. But I'm about to go on tour and I know as soon as I come out and see that fucking amphitheater packed to capacity. Saying your words.
Starting point is 00:30:49 Singing every fucking word. I'm going to be like, I'm probably break down and cry like, man, I'm an idiot, man. How am I over here in my head in my house thinking that people don't want to hear me? Right. And they out, like, the internet is not a real place, Scott. Stop paying attention to that shit. When you step out, people going to show up. That's the thing I'm reminded of when I go out there and I do a show.
Starting point is 00:31:13 I'm pretty sure that's the thing you're reminded of when you go out there and you're doing stand-up. Or you're at the screening of a movie you just did. And people are fucking rolling, rolling on every joke that you say. It's confirmation of your work. Yeah, definitely. And what you have done in the business. Yeah. That's the artist in you.
Starting point is 00:31:31 And that's the perfection of what you like and what you want, you know, because we tend to focus on that one motherfucker that don't like us. Yeah. It'd be like 100 comments that's all of. And you see that one. That's right. It's like, this sucks. And you're like, that's right.
Starting point is 00:31:50 That's right. What? Yes, right. You know what I'm saying? That's just that creative muscle, man, because that's a person that's joining you in your insecurity. Yeah. And when you see that comment, it's like, okay, that's you confirming to me that I'm hard on myself.
Starting point is 00:32:11 Yeah. That's you confirming. And you know, as the years go on and as I stay in this business, I've learned to embrace it. And now I actually get upset if I don't see it because that's a true statement. It's like you ain't shit unless you got haters. Yeah. You know? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:32:32 I mean, if they ain't talking about you, you're not doing something right. You ain't doing shit, right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, it's, I don't know nobody. If you think about in history, I don't know no famous person that's just been a unanimous all down the middle. Everybody loves them. Not one person.
Starting point is 00:32:52 You can think of all the greatest people, all the greatest artists in our minds, the Michael Jackson's, the prince. Yeah. The Kanye. the M&Ms, the Drake's, whatever, whatever. There's always been people. There's all, every one of those artists I named, there's an audience of motherfuckers that do not, that have never liked any of their music.
Starting point is 00:33:14 That's wild, man. And it's like, there's people that are haters that are just, that's just their job. They wake up, they clock in, and they're hating all day. You know what I'm saying? And like. And I love to see who they like. Yeah, it's like, okay, well, tell me, yeah, you like.
Starting point is 00:33:29 Who do you fuck with? It's probably some bullshit. It's definitely some bullshit. It's definitely some bullshit. Because at some point, you got to be like, all right now. Like, what are you gauging what's good and it was bad? Like, how are you gauging that? I had a guy one time talking shit to be on the internet,
Starting point is 00:33:44 and I just went in the DM. I was like, dude, what is it with you? You know, every time I put something out, you don't like none of my shit, this and that. He said, I seen you in the airport, and I asked for a picture and ignored me. So I'm like, okay. So you were a fan.
Starting point is 00:34:03 I didn't give you a picture and you turned into a non-fan. You're a villain arc star. Now you don't like my shit because I didn't do what you wanted me to do. So that means you really are a fan. You couldn't do what you wanted to do with me. So you turned on me.
Starting point is 00:34:20 So, you know, you're just a hater fan. Would you say a lot of haters are deep down fans? I mean, they're taking time. I'm out of their day. Yeah, you're paying attention. Yeah, to say something. Well, you get, you know, me, when I don't fuck with somebody, I see something along on. I'm like, and I skip it.
Starting point is 00:34:39 I'm not going to be like, you know what, let me leave a comment and say some hateful shit about this motherfucker here and just put that out in the universe and just let that live. I'm so good now with that, though. I can tell if somebody write a fake page, I'm like, okay, yeah, that's one of my baby mamas. Like, if you, whatever you say, I can match it up to your ass. I'm like, yep, that's some shit they'll say. I know who the fuck that is.
Starting point is 00:35:10 You know what I mean? You know, it's too specific. You know what I'm saying? You think you're all that because you got a new wife. It's like, oh, I know who this is. I know ain't no nigger saying that shit. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:35:33 Was being a comedian always your dream? You know what, man? No. What's crazy is I had a bunch of dreams of being other stuff the whole time I was a comedian. Okay. Ain't that some shit? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:51 It's like going to school, majoring to be a lawyer. But while you're at school practicing to be a lawyer, you're a carpenter. fixing people's houses and shit. Yeah. So you probably had a lot of people that came up to you and it was like, yo, bro. You should be a comedian.
Starting point is 00:36:05 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the thing about being a comedian, it's like when you're a kid, and I never heard a comedian say, a kid, especially for my, maybe now, because comics are just, they're everywhere. But I grew up at a time where Deaf Comedy Jam was around, it wasn't a lot of comedians. It was that group.
Starting point is 00:36:25 And growing up as a kid, you had kids saying they wanted to be basketball players, police, everybody had a specific thing. Right. If I told somebody I wanted to be a comedian growing up in the 70s,
Starting point is 00:36:42 they'll say you're disrupting the crack class. Yeah. They didn't say, oh, he was funny. You're going to be a comedian. They'll say, go to the principal's office. Oh, shit. You're fucking the classroom up. It wasn't.
Starting point is 00:36:58 They couldn't match that up with being successful. Yeah. For being a class clown. A class clown was somebody that said, oh, you're going to grow up and go to prison. Oh, you're going to grow up and you're not going to never. I remember I never forget. A teacher told me that one of my teachers, rest of peace, Miss Cummings.
Starting point is 00:37:14 I loved her, but she told me one day, sit your ass down. You're not getting paid to do this. And then I got paid to do it. I grew up and got paid to do it. That right. And I'll never forget. my mom used to always tell people around me, don't laugh at him because he'll keep going.
Starting point is 00:37:34 So, you know, all this shit just, it was 360ed in my life. You know, all the shit that I was doing that was disruptive as a kid and getting on people's nerd. I mean, I mean, I talked to people who knew me as a kid because a lot of times you have to ask people who you were as a kid.
Starting point is 00:37:53 Because you don't remember. Yeah. You think you do. Yeah. But people tell you know. They'll tell you the shit. Yeah, I said that? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:02 I'm like, how was I as a kid? They was like, I wanted to bust your fucking head. I couldn't stand your ass. And I'm like, oh, wow. What was I saying and doing? So to see all those people come back down and say, you really have changed and you became something. Yeah, it's like, no, it all makes sense. It makes sense.
Starting point is 00:38:21 It makes sense. Now that I can loan you some money, it makes sense. Yeah. Now I'm glad you wasn't shit when you was a kid. Oh, my God. Who are some actors and comedians that you loved working with? Of course, Ice Cube was one of my best number one guys that I worked with because I never felt competition with them. Right.
Starting point is 00:38:47 Ice Cube actually is a fan of people he work with. Right. And when you work with people who are a fan of yours, they're the best people to work with. I've worked with people that were insecure about working with me for whatever reason. What you mean for whatever reason? You're the illest. Yes. I'd be shook if I had to share a scene with you.
Starting point is 00:39:06 You know, the thing about that is you just have to play the position because I've worked with Eddie Murphy. Yeah. And I got put in that position. Where you shook? I was more starstruck than shook. I was more. Or like, wow, I can't believe I'm standing here with Eddie Murphy.
Starting point is 00:39:31 Yeah. Versus I got to steal this scene because I'm in it with Eddie Murphy. Yeah. Which wasn't going to happen, but. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's like, you got people who think like that, though. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:46 You got some artists who are their competitors. Yeah. And you got some artists that are team players. Yeah. And you got some artists that are like, they just take their position. That's how I am. I take my position
Starting point is 00:40:01 and whatever comes out of that is my reward. Yeah. You know, and it makes shit flow better because I'm not there trying to be the best one. I'm there trying to be the best
Starting point is 00:40:13 of what I can bring to it. Yeah. And we just win like the Bulls, like Michael Jordan, you know? Love it. Man, I was going to bring up a point to what you were talking about
Starting point is 00:40:24 about how it was great. You working with Ice Cube because it was no competition. Right. And I heard this interview where Jim Carrey was talking about how he wanted Jeff Daniels because he wasn't, he didn't feel like it was going to be a competition. If it was two comedians, it would have been them competing for the best joke. But Jeff Daniels is an actor and he knew he would be able, he wouldn't, he would be able to get his shit off and it wouldn't be a competition. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:53 You know what I mean? And a lot of the times, Jeff Daniels was setting up a joke and then Jim Carrey would bring it home. Yes. And that's kind of like the same dynamic with Craig and Day Day. You know what I mean? It's like Craig would usually set up the joke and then Day Day Day, bring it in. You know what I mean? So I thought that was interesting, you know, because it's kind of like you do want that, you know,
Starting point is 00:41:18 somebody that's going to be, you know, open to let you shine and not. be a thing of like, oh, I need my moment too, after his moment. And then I need another, you know what I mean? Yeah. That's real shit, man. He wasn't lying about that. Yeah. You know, and that's what I am.
Starting point is 00:41:38 Like, if I work with a comedian, I really let them get their shit off. Yeah. You know, I take a backseat on purpose. That's very generous. I take a backseat on purpose just in case that's the reason. Yeah. Just in case they feel that way. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:54 You know. Yeah. If they don't take a position with me, then I go hard. Yeah. I'm going to go hard anyway, but, you know, I don't do the competition shit. Yeah. Because it comes off. Yeah, I feel that.
Starting point is 00:42:15 You know, it comes off. One thing I don't like is, I don't like for people. I don't like artists that already have it. that have achieved everything that got to appear to have everything and continue to jump in positions that they'll step down in a position so you won't get in the position. That's that fuck shit, yeah. And I'm like, what the fuck are you doing standing here?
Starting point is 00:42:47 Well, I mean, the whole- And they're like, I'm standing here because I don't want you to go. I don't want you to, I know what you'll do. So I'm a step back I'll step down so your ass won't go further And there's people out there like that You know, it's artists out there like that
Starting point is 00:43:03 Yeah And they look crazy in the position It's like you're not supposed to be doing this shit No, it's like you're supposed to Like the whole journey Is like you grind You become successful And then you leave the door open
Starting point is 00:43:16 So others can walk through it You know what I mean You would think Like that's literally how you're supposed to do it And that's why like you know, I've been reaching out to up-and-coming artists to collab, you know, like, I want to, I want that to be a part of my legacy that I, like, gave opportunities to the younger generation. That's right.
Starting point is 00:43:36 You know what I mean? Because that's kind of like what Kanye and people before me did for me. Yeah. Jay-Z put me on this album. He gave me an opportunity. Kanye did 808s with me. He gave me an opportunity. Like, those are my OGs.
Starting point is 00:43:50 They reached down to the youth. you know what I mean and I was much younger than these guys I was like six seven I'm six seven years younger six years younger than Kanye you know um
Starting point is 00:44:01 and they they saw something in me and was like this dude here and it's not like my shit was like I'll put out of a mixtape and then it was proven right but before then
Starting point is 00:44:13 like it was just a small group of people in New York that knew what time it was that's right you know I mean yeah but like I'll never forget like playing pat, you know, yay, like all these people, like reaching out and wanting to like
Starting point is 00:44:29 uplift me and give me the shot. Yeah, because they seen the value in you. Yeah. And they knew that you was one of those guys. Yeah. I got a tour right now called We the Ones. And, you know, we on our third year. And I'm the senior on the tour.
Starting point is 00:44:44 I put it together with a guy named Blake out of Chicago. Shout out to Blake. And for three years, that's what we've been doing. we've been putting on young and up-and-coming artists. And these dudes are incredible. Man, that's so dope. Mojo Brooks out of Chicago, Carlos Miller,
Starting point is 00:45:01 D.C. Youngfly, Chico Bean. Oh, you got some hitters. These dudes are hitters. And these are the up-and-coming guys. I mean, they have arrived, you know. And it's just now and all about them just doing great work like they've continued to do. But that's what I do.
Starting point is 00:45:17 I surround myself around the young, man. And I just try to leave. myself open to learn from, you know, the OGs, my present colleagues and the young. Yeah. I just learn how to just become an open shell. But that's a superpower, bro. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?
Starting point is 00:45:38 I don't even want to be a teacher. Yeah. I want, if you learn something from me, I just want you to learn from example. Yeah. I don't want to look like I'm teaching nobody, nothing, because I have too much more to learn myself. You know, you've done multiple stand-ups and like stand-up specials. And, you know, like I said, I started doing stand-up and making a eight-minute set was stressful as fuck.
Starting point is 00:46:09 And you're up there for an hour. And I was actually talking about this to somebody. I was like, this is basically like theater. You know what I mean? In some way. It is. And like... One man theater.
Starting point is 00:46:22 Yeah. And what goes into, like, how many pages of, like, monologue do you have when you go in, when you go into do these hour-long specials? Like, how, how, like, and how much time do you have to prepare for something like this? Well, you know, I always tell people, you know, stand-up comedy is, it's probably the single most hardest structure of art that you could do. It's the hardest one. You don't have a song behind you.
Starting point is 00:47:01 You don't have a group. No lights. No, you can't tell a joke and stop and say, my fault. Yeah. Let me tell it again. So, you know what I'm saying? That shit is right thin and there. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:16 And it's all timing. To be a good joke teller, you've got to be a sponge. Yeah. It's not really about telling jokes. It's about telling an experience and a story. Yeah. And then the joke part comes in when you learn how to, because normal people do it.
Starting point is 00:47:42 Yeah. And don't know it. They do it all the time. Yes. Normal, some people, before they talk to somebody, they got a premise, they have a setup, and they have a punchline.
Starting point is 00:47:54 And don't even know it. Yeah. You know. Yeah. And when the person gets to you and they're talking to you, they know exactly what they want to say to you at the end to get your attention.
Starting point is 00:48:06 Right. And that's what telling jokes is. Yeah. I'm going to come to you and say, Cuddy, I have a problem with you. Your dog is pissing on my grass. Okay. Now, if he pisses on my grass again,
Starting point is 00:48:26 I'm calling the dog pound. That's the punchline. Yeah, yeah. You see what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. So. I mean, I think that's how I kind of got the confidence to do stand up. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:48:38 Because, like, all my friends are. You've been doing it. Yeah, I've been doing it since high school. That's why you had enough nerve to do it. Yeah. And our genres are their brothers. Yeah. Music and stand-up art related.
Starting point is 00:48:51 Yeah, yeah, definitely. Painting and music is related. Yeah. You know, dancing and music is related. Yeah. You know, all of it is relatable. All of it is the same art form in a different space. And I think that being on the stage made me a lot more comfortable.
Starting point is 00:49:13 That'd be the fact that I've been touring for 18 years. As a music artist. As a music artist, and I know how it feels to be in front of a crowd. That's crazy. Because even though you have your fans that adore you in the building, right? Yeah. If you're doing a shitty performance, they're going to react. That's right.
Starting point is 00:49:33 You know what I mean? Nobody's going to scream and yell. No, if your voice is cracking and you're not, you know, showing up. Yeah. Right? Yeah. So it's kind of like the same thing. Like you, it's like, it's like,
Starting point is 00:49:45 with comedy, you have to keep the jokes coming. With music, you have to keep the fun happening. You got to keep the energy going. You got to keep people enthused and excited about the show. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:49:58 You know? Yeah. But from doing stand-up and doing music, I can say that stand-up, like I can agree with you. That stand-up was probably the single most hardest thing I've ever done. And I've done movies.
Starting point is 00:50:14 I've acted for a long time. I've done really difficult roles, man. But there was nothing. I had to get drunk and high before I got out there just so I can knock the nerves out. And I can just be like, fuck it. If this shit, if they don't laugh, I'm just like, fuck it, you know? That's called killing your inner ambition. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:50:38 And you'll learn that that makes it worse. Yeah. The instinct of a stand-up is that. the same instinct of it as a mean dog walking up to you trying to bite you. Right. The instinct of standing on stage telling jokes has that same, it's that same feeling. Because of a dog, since that you're afraid of them, they'll bite you. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:05 They'll go further. Yeah. And that's how an audience is. An audience can have an instinct that's natural. that if you are making up some shit, that if you're afraid, that if you don't know what you're doing, you know.
Starting point is 00:51:24 They're going to sense that shit. Yeah, and I, and I, T.I. is a friend of mine. I love him to death. Funny as hell. I can see why he went to do stand-up because off the stage, he's hilarious. But stand-up, because I've been doing it so long,
Starting point is 00:51:42 it requires a certain amount of time to be able to do it. Yeah. The old saying is it takes 10 years to become a real stand-up. Yeah. And they say that is because it's such a repetitious business. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:52:01 It's like you have to do it so many times to get the rhythm of it. Yeah. And get the timing down. That's the most important part about stand-up. Yeah. It's timing. Because some people think it's telling the joke,
Starting point is 00:52:22 but the joke's no good without the timing. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the hour is no good without the timing. The punchline is no good without the timing. The setup is no good without the timing. All of them are on a time-constricted base. you only have a certain amount of time to do everything
Starting point is 00:52:45 to get it off. In a stand-up act. Yeah. You know. And it's mental. That's why you said, oh, eight men that's felt like because it's so mental. Yeah, it felt like forever up there.
Starting point is 00:53:01 Yeah, because you're thinking about that. Because you're up there thinking about the time. Why are you doing it? Yeah. And that does, it shit happens to me, and I've been doing it for 30 years. Yeah, yeah. You know?
Starting point is 00:53:14 Do you remember, can you talk about a show that you did where you bombed? Yeah. Like, what was it? What city? Where was this? I was in Rochester, New York. I told the crowd, give it up, clap it up. And they clap.
Starting point is 00:53:30 I said, for my dick. And they said, they went silent. And I said, no, I'm just, I'm just bullshit. And they said, boo, they're like, no. You can't come back from that. And I got that shit from a friend of mine. He was a comedian in their face, man. I don't know if he'd do comedy no more.
Starting point is 00:53:51 But the shit worked for him. But that shit didn't work for me. I said, I'll never tell that joke again. That's what I get for stealing. That's fucked up when you steal a car and can't drive it. Oh, my God. That must have been like a. such a
Starting point is 00:54:12 humiliating thing like because then you had if that was in the very beginning how long was this set how long was it set maybe like 10 minutes or so or was it like a fool? No it was they booed me
Starting point is 00:54:25 as soon as I said that it was over with oh so you got you got off stage I just dropped the mic and said fuck y'all they're like fuck you,
Starting point is 00:54:35 my god put the fuck off the stage oh my God and I was like This is real. Yeah. This shit is real. Yeah, man.
Starting point is 00:54:46 You know. Oh, that's crazy, bro. At the time I was trying to build my audience, it was the worst time to do some shit like that. Whoever thought they was my fan wasn't a fan at that moment no more. Yeah. Well, this has been a great episode. The next part of the show, this is the end where I get up to called the wrap-up.
Starting point is 00:55:04 Yeah. And pretty much, I just ask you some rap-and-fire questions. Let's go. So, what's one thing that you? you geek out about that might surprise people. I ride unicycles. Really? I ride little ones, tall ones.
Starting point is 00:55:18 I stop doing it because people think I'm a clown when I do it. So I was like, I never seen nobody underestimate me after I jump. Like literally, when I get, if somebody see me on that shit, I don't know what it is, but they start fucking with me. Start talking shit, saying stupid shit to me. you know, they just start thinking I'm a fucking play toy. So I stop fucking riding them in front of people. I'll ride them by myself because I don't want people fucking with me.
Starting point is 00:55:50 They think literally, they like, they start saying, this dude's a joke. And I'm like, no, I'm not. Motherfucker, I ride one wheel. But I still fuck you up. You know, they start saying shit like, you should have been in the son. I'm like, no, I'm doing what the fuck I was born to do. stand-up comedy and movies. Don't start that fucking shit
Starting point is 00:56:15 because I ride a fucking one-wheel bike. That don't take nothing from me because I ride a one-wheel bike. I'm still a good father. I'm still a good person. I'm not a fucking clown. And I just stop riding them in front of people, man. You know, I go in places where nobody's at
Starting point is 00:56:33 and I ride my unicycle. This thing is stupid. I was just looking at you. I was just like, yeah. That's true, bro. I'm like, yeah. If you see me in on the fucking unicycle, leave me to fuck alone. That's a talent that you can't get paid from.
Starting point is 00:56:53 Oh, my God. My stomach hurt, man. Oh, my God. Oh, shit. Yeah. Okay. What do you think is the funniest curse word? It's kind of like, oh, what would you think is the funniest curse word?
Starting point is 00:57:07 combination of curse words. Because it's really like, that's where the art comes from, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like how somebody finesses their profanity, you know? Fuck out of here is really funny to me.
Starting point is 00:57:24 I don't know why, but fuck out of here is hilarious. I love it. Yeah. It says so much. I love fuckhead. Fuck head. It's funny.
Starting point is 00:57:37 It's funny. Fuck head. I got to get used to that one. Fuck head. I'm going to have to do it like a fuck hand. And sucker butt is one another one of that. A sucker butt. That's somebody that's a sucker.
Starting point is 00:57:55 And, you know, sucker butt. Oh, my God. Somebody that sucks ass. Sucker butt motherfucker. One of my friends was like, what does that mean? like, what does it say? Shit.
Starting point is 00:58:15 I have to write it down. What the fuck does... Separate the words and add it up, nigger. You suck ass. You're an ass sucker. Oh, my God. Like Tupac said, everybody kissing ass ain't going to heaven. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 00:58:37 For all you ass suckers out there, your nickname is suck a butt oh my god okay we gotta do a song called sucker butt man yeah oh my God
Starting point is 00:58:53 I need to be on it I need to be on it okay oh shit you're a sucker butt a sucker butt a sucker butt a sucker butt
Starting point is 00:59:09 You're a sucker and your butt. A sucker butt. Don't-Dun-D-D-D-T-K-D-T-K-D-T-T-D-T-T-T-D-T-T-D-T-T-Ling on the beach. Trying to get it on, get it in. Talking all that shit while I'm sipping on my yak. Then this bitch-nigger comes in talking that. I tell him, hold up. Use your sucker butt.
Starting point is 00:59:31 Get out my face before I fuck you up. I don't really have a time for the business. Talking shit, we're about to get with us. butt doong sucking ass all over the world you're a sucker butt you've been sucking butt since you've been in the world
Starting point is 00:59:49 you're a sucker butt Oh my gosh so you see I gotta be on the comedy album Oh you got to man I got the chops I got the chops say What are some items that you have to have on your tour writer
Starting point is 01:00:06 Tito's Backwoods. Titos, backwoods. Titos, backwoods. Some Fiji water. Fiji water. Fruit. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:21 Chicken wings. Nice. Gum. Listerine. Hand sanitizer. Yep. And my homies. I got to have them on the rider.
Starting point is 01:00:35 I put them on the rider. Yeah. All my friends. At the end of the food. Our friends. I love it. I love it. If you could travel back in time to see one musician or band live in their prime, who would it be?
Starting point is 01:00:49 I wish I could see James Brown live. Same. Fucking incredible. Some of the videos I see you. Yeah, some of it sit on YouTube. Electric. You've seen that one video where Michael was in the performance. And then Michael tells him that Prince is there and he's like, Prince is here, Prince comes down.
Starting point is 01:01:08 And then Prince coming to the stage on that dude's shoulders. He's like piggyback riding on the dude on the security shoulders. You never seen it? I haven't seen that. Bro. I got to see you. There's a video. Did Prince get on the stage?
Starting point is 01:01:20 Did Prince get on the stage and started playing guitar and whatever? You know what I'm saying? Him and Michael and James were on the stage? Yes, bro. Wow. Bro, it was. I'm going to Google that. Like first he got Michael get up there and then you can see Michael be like whispered in his ear like,
Starting point is 01:01:34 Prince is here too, you know? And he's like, Prince, come up here. Prince come down. He's a little tiny guy, right? And the security guard is massive. And he's literally on his shoulders. Like on his shoulder. Not like on his back, on his shoulders.
Starting point is 01:01:51 Balls on the back of his neck. Little balls. You know he's little. He had little balls. Two little marbles on your neck. Two little hot marbles on your neck. You know he has some leather pants. on two Prince hot marbles on your neck
Starting point is 01:02:10 and a little hot link a little potter's hot link a hot link two hot marbles on your neck how does that feel? Oh my God. Oh my God. What is the best joke you've heard
Starting point is 01:02:27 that made you jealous you didn't write it? Richard Pryor. Yeah. Yeah. He had a lot of them I wish I wrote. A lot of some jokes, you got to live them to tell them. You can't fucking hear it and see it. You got to fucking live it to tell it.
Starting point is 01:02:46 Yeah, yeah. It just don't work unless you lived it. Yeah, it doesn't. I could give you a joke to go tell. Again, the audience is like a dog. They're like, he heard that shit somewhere. They know. They can call bullshit instantly.
Starting point is 01:03:00 All day. They can call bullshit. Favorite venue you've ever performed that? I played a place called the Beacon in New York Back in the day And it was so intimate And the vibe in there Was so, I don't know what it was about the beacon on Broadway
Starting point is 01:03:19 But that was one of the shows that I'll never forget That was like the first show that I If a New York audience liked me I'm fucking cool Yeah Because they don't like their self The motherfuckers is mean to each other So I know they're going to be mean to me.
Starting point is 01:03:40 You know. New Yorkers laugh different too. Yeah. Yeah. What house of? Huh? Like in what way? They laugh and talk to you why they laugh.
Starting point is 01:03:52 They're like, yo, get the fuck out of here. Yo, are you serious? I'm like, yes, I just said it. You know, New Yorkers talk to you when they laugh. Muffolks be laughing. and look at you and say, no way! I'm like, yes, motherfucker. You want me tell you again?
Starting point is 01:04:14 Shit, I just said it. My fucker, that is true. I just, my fuck, just start laughing. This is... What are your top five favorite comedy movies of all time? Top five comedy movies. I got to say which way is up? Okay.
Starting point is 01:04:33 Richard Pryor. A piece of the action. Sidney Portier. Bill Cosby Eddie Murphy's Delirious Martin Lawrence Thin Line Oh
Starting point is 01:04:46 Love that movie That's my shit The fifth one I gotta say It was a movie called Jankey Promoters Me and Ice Cube We played some dirty promoters That shit was so gutter
Starting point is 01:05:01 Yeah man And raw Yeah And that was a movie That was a movie that I really love and I didn't get paid on it. It doesn't matter.
Starting point is 01:05:11 It was a Harvey Weinstein movie. Oh, no. So the movie went to jail with him. Him and all his movies went to jail at the same time. I'm like, damn. Can his movies stay free? What's your biggest moonshot, a goal, a dream, or ambition that might seem impossible that you haven't accomplished yet?
Starting point is 01:05:38 I think I would love to become a, this is going to sound crazy. But I always wanted to be a belly dancer. When I was a kid, I used to put quarters in my belly and make it flip. And this shit sounds crazy as hell, but. No, I'm just bullshit. Yeah, I know. I was like, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a sit here and let him explain this. You got to lose your bullshit.
Starting point is 01:06:13 belly to do this fucking job. I was just like, I never seen a fat belly dancer. The little fucking quarter of just roll off your fucking stomach. No, you know what? I could have did every, that's one thing about me. I could have became anything I wanted to become. Yeah. When I was a kid, I could literally do everything.
Starting point is 01:06:32 Yeah. And I tried everything, you know, that I thought I could try, you know. At one point when I was a kid, I wanted to. to be an Indian because we always played cowboys and Indians and I never wanted to be a white man. So I chose to be Tonto. So I thought for years I was going to be an Indian. I thought I was going to grow up and be an Indian. And then I did my Ancestry.com and found out I had no Indian in me and I was 30% white.
Starting point is 01:07:06 So all this time I've been thinking I'm like, I've been talking about white people and telling people I'm a real. real nigger and I went and did Ancestry.com and found out I was 15% Irish and Icelandic. Black Irish. So all that shit went out the door. So now I'm trying to find my white cousins. I got some white cousins out there, man, that I need to hook up with. So no more racism. I'm white.
Starting point is 01:07:43 But I could have became everything. I tried to be a drug dealer one time and went to prison, very young. And so I was an unsuccessful thug. Never was a snitch. I can honestly live with myself because of that. Never snitched on no drug dealers or nothing. but I wanted to be in the NBA when I was a kid and never had the grades to get on the team.
Starting point is 01:08:21 Right. And I'd never forget my mother, black mothers are unapologetically naive. Yeah. And I used to come home and tell my mother that the NBA was at the school watching me. I told my mom that she literally believed it. Oh, shit.
Starting point is 01:08:41 She said, for real. I said, yeah, they were up there checking me out. And I was only like in the seventh grade. So I doubt that the NBA is watching any seventh graders right now or even then. Really back then. What's really, really crazy? I had a goal one time. One of my biggest goals one time in my life, swear to you, didn't want nothing more than that,
Starting point is 01:09:09 was to pay my fucking bills. I'll feel you. I feel this. I swear to God, bro. I feel this. When I was young, one of my biggest goals, if I could have just paid my bills, I didn't want nothing else. Yeah. It's like you're golden if you could do that.
Starting point is 01:09:26 Ain't that some shit? I couldn't even look past the fucking bills. Yeah. That's when I knew real life was the best thing you could ever have. Yeah. And it took me to become famous. To realize that. It took me to become famous to realize that life in itself is the best success you could have.
Starting point is 01:09:53 Yeah. That's real talk. Real talk. And all the other shit literally means nothing. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I'm like, damn.
Starting point is 01:10:06 The fact that I became a human being out of all those sperms who race to the egg. I won. I'm successful. I became human. Damn right. I didn't go in a napkin or down in the toilet or in a condom. I literally became a human. So that in itself was success.
Starting point is 01:10:36 Celebration. That's success. To become human. Damn right. To get a chance to live on this earth. That's right. You know what I mean? To wake up and.
Starting point is 01:10:44 and do what we love. Fuck everything else is like, no matter how many years I lived, whether they were short or long, I can honestly say, I was human before. Yeah. I lived.
Starting point is 01:11:02 Yeah. Yeah. Experienced it all. I experienced life. You know, because I'm pretty sure there's some sperm's just mad that they just didn't become human sitting in some of them.
Starting point is 01:11:14 man's balls like just mad like fuck I didn't win the race I'm back up again just pissed just pissed and you know how many no good motherfuckers
Starting point is 01:11:30 won that race and became human and wasn't shit they beat out a sperm that was going to become the president a bullshit sperm beat a
Starting point is 01:11:49 president's sperm and became a motherfucker on the earth that steal rob and kill. I'm like, damn. That's life. That's life. It's life. That's life.
Starting point is 01:12:02 L-I-F-E. Bro. Thanks for coming today, man. Thank you, man. This was awesome, man. Thank you for having you, for sure, for sure. Man. Big bro.
Starting point is 01:12:14 Don't start with big bro. Hey. Big bro. Don't cut nothing, big bro. Roll it all out. Roll it all out. Hey, hey, uh, hey, uh, hey, uh, hey, hey, uh, hey. Hey, thanks for coming through the attic, y'all.
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