Big Bro with Kid Cudi - OutKast’s Big Boi Dives Into Every Album & His Wildest Exotic Pets

Episode Date: May 6, 2026

The absolute musical genius Big Boi pulled up to the Big Bro attic this week and we had a TIIIIIIME. He breaks down every OutKast album from Southernplayalistic to Stankonia and how he builds all his characters. He also reveals how he keeps a tiger, a shark, and owls as pets, PLUS the Pokémon he nerds out about (he always keeps a pokéball on him). He tells us all about his must-haves for tour and we talk about the music we're gonna make together on the Rebel Ragers tour. Big Bro is presented by Adobe Acrobat. Check out my PDF Space today!! You can find the full transcript of our convo there plus a bunch more goodies. https://acrobat.adobe.com/link/spaces/urn%3Aaaid%3Asc%3AUS%3A9186e72e-b7b1-4d06-962f-a8e072f723de Pull up, tap in and vibe out. Peace! new eps of Big Bro launch every Wednesday 🚀 Big Bro is a Wave Original.⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ for more good vibes, tune in everywhere @bigbrocudi ⁠⁠instagram.com/bigbrocudi⁠⁠ ⁠⁠tiktok.com/@bigbrocudi Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Wave. What's one thing you nerd out about? I carry a pokey ball in my pocket and catch Pokemon when I'm traveling. I surely do I'm on like level 60. I'm a pokey master. You put in your pocket, you sink it with your phone, and that bitch catch the Pokemon when you ain't even got to swipe up and spin the ball and then that shit.

What was expected to? I know, I know. I even turn stank on. Stank on here's a pokey stop, the studio in Atlanta. What's good, y'all? back to Big Bro with Kid Cuddy, a wave original presented by Adobe Acrobat. I'm your Big Bro, Scott, coming to you from the attic of my mind. This week, I'm kicking back with a music god, Big Boy himself, Mr. Antoine Andre Patton.

Big Boy is a fucking legend, okay? I grew up listening to this guy, so this is a really big deal that he was here. We do an album-by-album breakdown of Outcast music, prepper for tour. We're probably going to work on some music together. Hint, hint, and how he became the real life Tiger King. So kickback, bye about, and enjoy. See you on the other side. It is an honor to have you here, bro.

We're going on tour together. We've made a record together. There's history there. For sure. We've known it till a long time. Yep. I want to get into like your iconic albums, man. You know, I want to really understand some of that, like,

how you kind of work with Dre and how you guys figured out concepts for albums, you know? Every album is different. It was a different vibe. So what was the approach going in to different things? Like, you know, we can start with Southern Playlists of Kind of like music, you know? Like, what was the mindset going in that?

That was the first LP, right? Yep, yep. Southern Playalistic was like, to be honest, like fully honest and transparent. It was like a Dungeon Family album. Okay. you had all the members of the dungeon family, like on one record, you know what I mean?

It was like, everybody contributed something. Of course, Cass was like, you know, this was our project, but everybody, it was all hands on from a big rub to a goody mob to organize noise on production. It was, you know, the brotherhood and the camaraderie that made that album what it was. It was like all hands on deck. It was our first shot being on the major labeling that we made it.

Everybody going to get a chance. You know what I mean? Right, right, right. When you got songs like, get up, get out, and get something. Yeah. Celo just jump out and just jump in the booth and just, and later the framework for that song, you know what I mean? Yeah. It worked.

And so everybody was just follow suit, you know what I mean? And I can say that. I got to salute my whole dungeon family man for just all the support and just, you know, us pushing each other to be the best. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was my shit.

I was in the eighth grade. Oh, my shit. Yeah. Okay. Okay. My oldest sister put me on. Okay. You know what I mean?

Yeah. Like, tell me about all this, the album cover, like, how it all came to be. The third record was where we, where we, as producers, Earthtone 3, me, 3,000 and Mr. DJ. Uh-huh. Uh, we, you know, we started producing our own records on ATL ends, like, uh, elevators and stuff like that. So super experimental record, man. And it was about just really showcasing you and the evolution of you and your person to the world. You know what I mean?

Yeah. And it worked, you know? Like, of course, we're brothers, so we just played off of each other. You know what I mean? It's just like the gin and the gang, peanut butter and jelly. I mean, it sounds cliche, but that shit just go together like that. Like, you know, how the stars aligned. And now looking back on it, it's pretty fucking amazing.

Yeah, man, it's wild. When you win it, you can't imagine the impact is going to have. But when it's done, and you get out there and you're on the road and you're touring and you see the reaction from the fans, it's like, yeah, and then you just keep going, though. Yeah. I mean, it's, you know, having that creative marriage with someone is, like, super special because it's rare. Yeah. You know what I mean? like me and my producer Doc, you know, he produced Day and Night and a bunch of other records we did together.

It's not like we have to like communicate what we want the other to do or what part they want to play. You know what I mean? It just comes together. It's that telepity. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's a mental connection and a spiritual one too. Yeah.

And the universe definitely put us together just like the universe put you and Dre together. And like, I think about me and my boy Dot, it was written in the stars. Yeah. Before I was even born, it was written in the stars. And that's how I feel you and Drewer, too. Same, same thing, man. It's, like, it's been a long ride, man, but it was faked, you know what I mean? Yeah.

I mean, that's my brother, man, you know. Love him. Yeah. Yeah. We just get a chance to enjoy life now. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think we started 16, 17 years old.

Right. Like, my mom wouldn't sign my record deal until I graduated. High school, you know what I mean? And this is what having a gold single with players ball. My mom wasn't having it, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, so I had to do that. Oh, man.

Let's talk about stangonia. Yep. Stankonia, 1999, 2000. That was 2000. We thought the Y2K, thought the world was about the end. Yeah, definitely. Thought the world was by the end.

She was like, we're about to go out with a bang. You know what I mean? Everything, anything goes, you know what I mean? Yeah. And I guess the scope of the music from traveling to Europe and going in the clubs and hearing drum and bass and just being there in songs like Barnes was Bad Day inspired by us being able to leave Georgia, travel the world and to see how big the world was and what the world was doing

and it influenced our music, you know? Yeah. You gotta go see some shit. Yeah. That's the best advice to give any artist. It's like you gotta live to create. Yeah. You know what I mean?

And I find that like when I'm sitting in my house and I ain't doing shit, I can't cook. Who? You know what I mean? Right. Like it's just nothing to dig from. You got to go out and see some shit, man. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Speaker Box and the Love Below. 2003, I just graduated high school. And I was really sad because I don't, I can't remember if you guys announced that this was the last Outcast album. or if it was just like understood that it was. But like, Aquaminan was a big album for me. Stanganya was a big album for me. But like that one in particular, like,

it was like a double gift. You know what I mean? You had two artists that I grew up listening to that executed at a high level do this project where they're doing different things but it's still unified. You know what I mean?

And like, I just want to know like what was, whose idea was it to do the album in that way? And like, did you go away for several months? And then Dre went away for seven months

and then y'all came together and was like, this is what I got, this is what he got. Like, how did that work? It was actually the idea came from the DJ in Atlanta Greg Street, my homeboy. And he was just like, y'all need to do a double out. One side you, one side of him, put it together,

and then just let that shit ride. Genius. I mean, it was crazy, you know what I mean? I'm still, you know, I'm in stankonia. I'm tinkering. I'm working on music. Dre, he'd do a lot of his recording at his house. So he was at his house a lot doing stuff.

Yeah. And then we come together and just like, what you got? What you got? Put on the table. Okay, back to the huddle again, you know what I mean? Yeah. It was like, okay, I got this beat for you. Like, okay, what is?

Ghetto music, all right, give it to me. Give me that. I want that, you know what I mean? So we were still working together, but in different spaces. And it was just like, I mean, just get the whole complete thought out of what you were doing. Yeah. And it was just, you know, I guess dissecting the group and be like, okay, let me give you a closer, look into this guy and this guy. Yeah.

And it worked. The fans loved it, man. That's just like, what, $16 million now? Yeah, man. Yeah, man. Like, that, I remember when that came out, that was a, well, first off, you know, when, when shit comes out, when you're in your teens, it's like a monumental moment. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

Like, and, like, so I remember where I was at in life at that time. And I remember this is when I used to, like, I used to, like, keep in the CD lining, you know, the, the back of the CD case and the, in the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. and everything. Yeah, for sure. I would keep that and post it on my wall. Right? Yeah. And I remember I would keep the booklet too and put that on the wall or whatever.

And I remember just like seeing that, Equimini, steak on you, like all the albums on my wall that I kept throughout the years and I saved all the album packaging for, like on my wall. For sure. You know? It was such a moment, man. Like music was just, there was a shift happening. You know, couldn't you feel that at the time? Yeah. I mean, to us, it was like the music had no boundaries.

And to, you know, go in and create something that's new and inspiring to you. So you want to give it to the people, it's challenging, you know. By the time we got to the double album, man, we were just everywhere, all, over the place with the music. Like it's like leave no stone unturned. Yeah. You know what I mean? Just buckle around and play.

Just play. It's more. Yep. And that's how you find gold. You know what I mean? Even going into, you know, solo albums and things like that, it's so,

it's like super challenging to make a record when you to lead off batter. You know what I mean? Like after being in a group for so long and then now you got to lead off better, then you got to do the second verse and then you got to do the third verse. You know what I'm saying? I see why these nigg be making a song. That's a minute and a half long. Or be having mad.

I'm talking about man. That's a lot of writing. If you want to be great and not recreate something that you've already done, you know what I mean? But the satisfaction comes when you really strike that new sound and that new, that new, that new shit that you know, okay, cool. I can roll with this one. Well, I will definitely say the way you guys approach music reprogram my mind as a kid

and inspire me to make my own shit. Hey. Hearing y'all shit would have me go in the studio when I had no connections who was in the basement

at my dude's house and I'm like, yo, I want, use sounds that you don't hear. Right. Right. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, think of something different. Yeah. Like outside the box, what you want? You want something like, like Timberlin? You want something like,

for real? Nah. Like something new. Right. Fresh that nobody's heard. You know? And because of that search, that's how he was able

able to make day and night. So what I'm saying? which at the time was unheard of. You know what I mean? And it was a very minimalistic beat. But it had something that people just didn't see at that time. You know? And that was all because I was inspired by you guys

and other artists, like my artists, that were trying to push the boundaries. That's how you keep this shit alive, man. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I could just say, you know, just from your music and listening to you and just doing records with you or whatever.

Like, that's why, like, this tour was the one. I mean, I was asked to go on several when I was like, when they came up, I was like, cut it on the glass. It might be wild. It's going to be a good summer, man. Hell yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

And I can't wait because I think we should take advantage of it. Yeah. You know? Okay. Like, we can't just be on the road and just be hanging out and just not cooking. No, I'm bringing it out. Yeah. Like, we got to cook.

Yep, let's do it, man. You know what I'm saying? And, like, I really would love for us by the end of tour to have, like, an EP or something. Shit, that's the boy. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I mean, I got the other song. I'm working on that one, the one you already sent me out.

Oh, yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I have another song. This record I had, I'm sitting on for a while, and I needed a certain person on it. Like, the subject matter, I needed a certain person that fit the criteria. Yeah.

And once y'all hear the record, You'll know what I mean. Yeah. It's dope. You're like when I started rearranging some of the stuff he was doing in the background and I started doing some of the harmony is behind you. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. So I'm trying to get that before we get out there. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. Perfect. Perfect.

Yeah, man. Yeah, let's make some music. I think that I almost feel like we should have tapped in years ago. But like better late than that. Yeah, for what I'm saying? It's like this is a reason why. And, you know, I was actually at this point when I was putting the tour together,

I was like, you know, struggling to find openers. Right. You know, but just, because my shit is like, it got to be somebody I fucks with. Like, I'm not just putting some random person. I'm about to be on the road with this person for two months. Right.

Like, it need to be somebody like, I wouldn't mind hanging out with on the off day and, like, kicking it with, you know? Yeah, man. And, like, your name came up, and I was like, Of course, but do you think he would do it? And they're like, yeah, I'm sure he would.

And, like, we heard you respond. And he was like, yeah, I was like, oh, man, we locked in. Yeah, man, I was like. I love performing, you know what I mean? That's like one of my favorite parts to do that besides the traveling. You know what I mean? Yeah. And my go-to thing is that bus.

I love being on the tour bus. You know, flying the gigs is one thing. But to be on that bus for like two months, like, you know. It's like a road trip. Yeah, man, it's like, you know, the camaraderie, you know, it's like, because tour can be, tour can be a lot mentally, you know, when you think about it, and especially a big, yeah, you're away from home and if you got a family, you're away from your kids and your wife or whatever. And, you know, it's a lot.

It's nice to, like, for me, I feel like whoever's on the road with me, we got to be, like, fam. Yeah. You know, it's got to be, it's got to be fam. I'm going to come out and watch your show. I'm going to sneak in the back. So nobody's seeing me and I'm going to watch you perform. Like, I'm like, I wanted to be like, hey, we're all on this massive road trip together to, like, bring people joy all around the nation.

You know what I mean? Like, and like, I know people are thoroughly excited to see you, dude. You know what I mean? Like, they were really geek when that tour got announced. Oh, yeah, yeah, no, for sure. It's going to be good, man. I don't fuck around, man. I already know.

I already know, I've seen you live, bro. You one of the best live hip hop performers ever, bro. I love it, man. I love it. I can't wait to get out there, man. And that's another thing, too, because to be in the studio and make the records, make the iconic records is one thing. But to be able to translate that live is a whole other beast.

Oh, yeah. And you've been able to do that flawlessly for years, you know? Just, I mean, you've got to love it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Stay on top of it, you know, your boss? breath control and, you know, your stamina and, you know, your stage presence. And I got Sleepy Brown coming out with me.

Ah, yeah. Sleepy brown. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, sleepy brown. Man, this might just be the, yeah. We got to get sleepy on the record. Yeah, he coming.

Oh, yeah. He's ready. He's with it, man. He read it, man. We always say we bring the beat machines and the microphones out and everything. Oh, shit. You got an engineer? Yeah.

Man, we about the someone cooked here on the road. Should we stream it? Oh. Oh, oh, get big boy in the stream. Hey, man, let's do it, man. For sure. Huge thanks to our presenting sponsor today, Adobe Acrobat. Real talk, I've been using the new feature PDF spaces.

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Did you, like, create... It seemed like a lot of those ensembles were, like, custom-made. Yeah. Like, how did you guys go about that? Just a lot of... Just dutling down on paper, you know what I mean? So you drew, you had sketches of what you wanted. Yeah, yeah, what it wanted to look like, you know what I'm saying?

You might have an idea or something and kind of go to like a thrift store or a vintage store and find like an old safari jacket and take it to the tail and be like, I want something like this but put some fringes on the sleeve and, you know, just to kind of tail and make it to yourself. I'm going to tell you what was the coolest thing about me and my partner is like we would never plan the outfits. You know what I mean? Okay. But when we show up, the colors match.

Like, he have on different shades of red. I have on different shades of red or baby blue, and it always ended up like that. It just worked. It just worked, you know what I mean? But just a different concept for each outfit. But it was just about, you know, wanted to have your own personal touch along with a sense of street fashion, too. Yeah.

What would you say this came from? Watching my uncles when I was little, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Some big players, man. Gators all day long. The suits with, you know, an eight-piece suit. If you can do that, you know what I mean? With the hat and feathers and the whole nine, y'all.

They were just super flamboyant. I was just like, I want to be like them. You know what I mean? I love it. I love it. I'm my list of your nicknames and I want you to tell me how they came. Okay, okay, cool, cool. L. left foot.

Where did that come from? Unite in rhyme and armor. Like, just being dangerous. You know what I mean? with their microphone. And Sir Lucis L left foot, the L stand for Labrida, could the ladies like to put lip gloss on my lapel?

You know what I'm talking about? It's a playboy too. I love it. I love it. I love it. Hot Tubb, Tony. Sucker free and still bubbling. Hot tub was born at a seedy hotel

in the rural, rural area of the South. We ain't had really shit to do. And so we just had like a little party, man. Like, it wasn't no pool at the motel. There was a hot tub. And there were no suckers around. And so, you know, that's where that came from. Okay.

Francis is the Savannah Chitlin Pimp? Yeah. That goes back to my uncles. That's that pimp. There's a real slick talker, man. And, you know, originally I was born in Savannah, Georgia, originally. Oh, okay. I originally moved to Atlanta and was like, I was five and was back and forth.

Okay. But Francis, that real, that's that Gullah Ghii, big boy, for real. I love it. Yeah. Still have my family still in Savannah, George. Shout out everybody. Frazier home, Clovedell. Yeah.

L. Leftfoot is my favorite out of the nicknames. But this is my second favorite. Daddy Fastacks. Sacks. Yeah, that can't be your favorite. That can't be your favorite. Well, that's Pawsworthy? That's, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, with three Xs.

It's explicit. I don't mean... I've never seen it. Yeah, yeah. I've never seen it written down. He put, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's a good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Let's go back to the... Yeah, we'll lead that for the moment. All right, so cut that out the podcast. I'm just bleep it when I said. Outcast created, like, a new vocabulary. You know what I mean? Like, tell me, like, where stankonia came from. Stankonia is a made-up world where it's the place

where all the funky things come from. You know, when the beat playing, your face frown up, that's that stink on you. You know what I mean? It's funky. What about AT aliens? AT aliens is another one. AT aliens is an identity of us who are from Atlanta, just like you got the Hawks, the Falcons. Everybody are the AT aliens because we're from Atlanta.

Okay. For sure. All right. So let's talk about she hates me. Yeah. We made this 2012. What was one of your favorite memories from that session? I remember you had the studio house in the hills.

Frank Zappa or somebody? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was crazy, you know, it was crazy. When you came to record, right before you came, we had got raided by the police. Yeah, you didn't know that. Like, we were playing the music loud. The police came, just walked in the house.

It was bud everywhere and everything. It was like, y'all got to turn the music down. I mean, we thought we were going to the pen. I mean, it was big bags out. And they just walked in. and said, turning music down and left.

Holy shit. You came about 30 minutes later. Not knowing shit. He's saying, hey, what's up, y'all? Yeah. And then we got, and went downstairs

and did the song. Yeah. Killed it, man. Oh, thank you, bro. Shit, for sure. Thank you. When a song was like,

it was like, when I heard it for the first time, it's like, I love when, when someone reaches out for a feature from me, and then the song that they want me a part of,

It like fits my shit. Like I was able to do my melodies, take it where I wanted to vocally, and do my thing on this music, this beat that was that had all this melody in it, like in my mind, it was like hot pink and blue and like yellow and orange and all these bright colors. And it felt like the sunset. And it was just like, you know, you're right there trying to explain to the love of your life that you made a mistake and you just want to fix it. And so like the, and I think I was dealing with some shit in my life with my girl at the time. And I just wanted so badly to fix what I had messed up. And so all that came out in the record.

That's why in those ad libs, I was like, I was like, really like, because I wanted her to hear the song and be like, he's genuine. He means it. I love him. I don't know if it worked, but it didn't work. Damn, damn, it didn't work for me. I tried at the same shit. I tried.

We try it. You got to try it. Come on. I'm not going to be in this position and not try that at least once or twice. Yeah, for sure. We try. You know, do you have a favorite big boy bar or verse? It just depends on the date.

You know what I mean? Like, I've done so much. Yeah. But I can tell you one of my favorite. favorite songs, Bonzo Bad Dad, though. Ooh. Yeah, the energy behind that right now. Yeah, it's crazy.

Oh, man, just like, I mean, the video shoot, it was like 120 degrees in Atlanta. Oh, fuck. Oh, man, and it just, that was like a time, man. We had a great time shooting that video. It's like, what's my favorites? When people ask me, what's one of your favorites? Like, Bonzo Bad Dad, definitely.

Think it's back to how different it was, like hip-hop was back in the day compared to now. I mean, obviously you got like social media and all sorts of shit now. streaming and all that madness. It's, I think it's trendy, you know. You got to dig for, like, the original artists. Like, people that are really doing some really dope shit,

they don't get as much shine as something that's commercially exploitable by the labels, you know? Yeah. So, I mean, you got to really kind of, like, dig in and find somebody that's tapping into some new shit. Yeah. But something that shit would be damn, though. I might download your single, but I might by and not get your whole album. Yeah. Some stuff I listen to, like, throw that ass in the circle, all that.

Yeah. I mean, my thing is, like, I love just letting Spotify or Apple Music just do the, the, like, you put on the year, the shuffle thing, right? Okay. And that's how I discover a lot of new artists and not new music. Yeah. You know, and I find it really great because, like, if it's somebody I think is dope, then I'll just, like, go to Instagram, send them a DM. Like, yo, I want to do a record. And they're like, fuck yeah.

Kid Cuddy just hit me. It's like, you know what I mean? That's hard. And it's great. I'm working with this girl that I met on IG named Cassandra. She's really fire, right? And I'm doing a project with her. And it was just like that.

Like, I just saw her music on Instagram, heard it, loved it, went to go listen to the EP, loved it even more. And I just hit her up. And I was like, yo, I love your music, like, would love to connect. Yeah. And, like, she was like, oh, of course. Like, I love your shit, too.

Like, and we just made some shit. It was, like, beautiful getting in this session with her and seeing this, like, like, my feeling that I had was validated. Like, when we made the record and it came out with fucking fire, I was like, oh, man. Like, and she was bringing, like, she brought, like, this, what's called an Omnicord. You know what the Omnicord is, right?

Yeah. And she brought that to the studio, like, hey, I think you might want to fuck with this. And I was just like, yo, this is fire. Okay. But yeah, I think that it's like, you're right. You do have to dig. And I find artists in the most random ways. No, that's what's crazy is like that's the same kind of way that I came across the root fanagram.

Yeah. You know, they had the song, I guess it was like one of them small or a mouthful of diamonds or one of them. And it popped up on like a pop-up ad on Twitter or something. And I was like, oh, man. And I posted it on, you know, a Twitter. And then they reached out to me. It was like, hey, man, we dig it. I was like, I'll let's meet up.

And I was doing Governor's Ball. And we met up at Governor's Ball and Josh and Sarah, some of the most creative, dopeest musicians that I ever worked with, you know? And then we did the Big Rams album. And then, you know, we're working on Big Rams too now. So, yeah, that's one good thing about it. It's like a direct connection with you

and your peers or somebody that might just love your shit, you know? Yeah, and it's, that didn't exist back in the day where you kind of just, had to go out and if you ran into somebody and it was mutual respect, then y'all exchange numbers and connect. Right. But it's just beautiful that I can go online

and just, there's like endless artists, like there's so much music out there, good artists that need to be heard, you know? Dig it. And like, I love like elevating people, man. My home girl, Ray, amazing artists. Like, every time she posts some, I would make sure to put it in my stories.

You know what I mean? Just because I notice like being a new artist and like needing to get the word out and getting people up on it. You know what I'm saying? I dig it, man. Yeah. I dig it. They call me the king of putting niggas on.

Yeah. If you dope, I'm gonna give you a shot. You can jump on an album. Exactly. I'm gonna support your shit and everything. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's a really, that's a cool mentality to have, man. Because a lot of people, a lot of OGs don't really be like trying to like reach down and like uplift. And it's nice when you, when you kind of leave the door open for other people to walk through. Especially if they fight, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Yeah. It's dope. Because I just think about when I was coming up, somebody came up to me and was like, yo, your shit is dope.

Kanye came up to me and was like, your shit is dope. Playing Pat came up to me and was like, your shit is dope. You know what I mean? Like,

and this is before anything happened. Right. You know what I mean? Like, they saw something to meet early, early, you know? So it's like,

I just, I always knew I wanted to give that same energy to another artist when I was in the position to do it. That's what's up, man. You know what I mean? And that's how you keep the cycle flowing. For sure. You know? Okay. So you guys won album of the year at the Grammys.

Like, how fucking epic was that? Tell me about that nightmare. Did you even feel like you were even going to win it or like? No. We didn't know. We didn't know. We just know we're performing. and I mean of course we had a shock

because we were nominated but you never know you know yeah who were you nominated with that year you remember it was a blur I can't even tell you I didn't even tell you but it was some heavyweighs you know what I mean yeah yeah yeah because that's like the award of all awards yeah it's like nobody uh no hip hop has won it since then it's been like 20 years maybe wow yeah it was like between that And getting in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, it's like you checked all the boxes, I guess, you know.

Yeah. In music, you won everything, sold all the records, and now you can do whatever you want to do. I mean, we've already been doing it, but now it's like there's nothing left to prove. No. It's like right now it's all about your passion for the music. And it's because you're doing it because you want to create and you want to give stuff to the people. it's no pressure. Your name is solidified

and in the Hall of Fame with the greats. And that's a pretty big deal, man. That was a moment too. Those two are like two of the biggest moments, I guess, in our whole career. It's such a crazy thing to be, you know, you're still young and you have accomplished so much

and you also have so much more time to just do, like, live. whatever you want to do, you know? Man. And it's so cool because I, you know, I see you on the internet. You have, you have pet owls. Yeah, I got a lot of shit going on. You're really doing whatever you want to do.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just be walking down the street with it on your arm, just chilling, and cooling, like, hey, what's up, y'all? Yeah, I'm in my garden. I'm cooking. Yeah. I got the birds. I see you on the grill sometimes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, man. I just, I really embracing just being a grown-ass motherfucker-man. You know what I mean? Like all my kids are like grown now and just, you know, to kind of just have a fulfilling life. You just do the small things like starting seeds in a seed tray on my back portion, seeing that shit sprout up and then putting it in the garden and see that my mother flourish. And then I'm cooking the collard greens three months later for my mom. Like that's the small things in life bring me joy.

I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it. And that's something I realize. in recent years. You know what I mean? Like,

it doesn't take me, take much to make me happy. It's just like the little small things. Right. You know what I mean? But like, I know, like now more than ever in my life,

I'm like actively thinking like, okay, Scott, like after tour, you're gonna fucking go on your honeymoon for two weeks and you're gonna fucking chill out. You know what I mean? And like,

this is me like making that choice. Like, because before, when it was just me by myself when I wasn't married, I'm doing that. I'm doing it all. Right. You know what I mean?

Yeah. And like now it's like, no, man, I need to like really chill out and think about my mental health and like take a beat. And think about all the other things in life. Like I could cook. I could start my own garden like you. You know what I mean? That's inspiring. I want to own a farm one day.

Like, you know what I mean? Like that's like a dream of mom. Yeah, me too. You know what I mean? And some animals, right? Yeah, me too. Yeah. I like the little ghosts.

You're scared with them over. Ah, man. Yeah. I want to go and get all that shit too, man. No, definitely. You know what it is, man? It's like, once you find peace, and my mom always talking to that, man,

find you, find you true peace. Once you get peace, man, it's like you can't be disturbed, you know? Man, that is a wonderful feeling, bro. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Why owls? What made you want to get an owl?

I always liked birds. Yeah. My assistant, she had parrots, you know, talking and I'm going to got a cockatoo, And I was like, you know, in the Ms. Jackson video, we had, you're raising the eagle owls. That's what kind of birds I got. Yeah. I was like, man, I bet you can't get me no owl.

And she was like, shit, I bet you I can. She's like, but if I get you one, you're going to buy me one too? I was like, hell, yeah. So she found them, man, and we got them when they were little owlets, hooty and Houdini. And it was like little furry little owlers just walk around the house. And then now they turned this real apex predators down on. Really?

Yeah, boy. They, they cool as hell, but they are some. hunters. Okay. Yeah. So tell me a day with the owl. Like what was what was it like you you you take it outside. Does it what do you do for the bathroom? Does it have a like where's it goes? It's a Avery. They have an Avery. Okay. Okay. And you mean whether you put live food in or frozen rats or whatever just to see them dive and just take it as is the thing. But they have their own thing, their own enclosure and everything. Okay. Wow. Yeah man. I imagine it probably takes a lot to fucking keep owls in the crib.

I mean, they sit, they perch all day. Yeah, they perch all day. Yeah. Unless they see something like a Yorkie or a small poodle. Oh, so you do have other animals? Yeah. Oh, wow. So how does that work with the dogs?

We don't keep them around each other. Yeah, okay, they don't keep around each other. No, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah. They scoops some shit up. Do you really have a pet shark named Billy Ocean? He passed away. Oh, all right.

IP. Yeah, yeah. I forgot. Something chased him. I think, oh, I had got a Nassau grouper, big ass fish and put him in the tank with him. And I went on tour and the grouper chased him out. He jumped out the back of the tank. And that was it.

It was a shark bait loafers. He was hard as a brick when I came back home. Oh, fuck. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Billy Ocean. I loved it, though. Oh, man.

I have a tiger. You got a tiger? Yeah, Bodie. Yep. What the fuck? I mean, when the COVID's... You're the real tiger came. When the COVID's first came out, right?

When the COVID's first came out, I was like, yeah, I want me a quarantine tyke, you know. So that damn assistant of mine, you want a tiger? I'll get you a tiger. Where's this assistant at? She in Atlanta. She's in Atlanta. She's in Atlanta. But got me a little tiger.

I thought, I really thought, man, that I would. gonna be able to keep a tiger in the house, man. You know how, do you know how powerful? You know how powerful a four-month-old baby tiger? Do you know what that shit feels like? The strength that, man. Man, I got the tiger, man. I'm out there walking him in the yard.

He's trying to play. She's jumping up. The claws feel like razors. You know what I mean? The mother's jumping up. And it's like, not like no dog playing. Like they're playing, they're playing. But it's like, it's painful.

So the tiger is in the sanctuary. North Georgia, Delanooga. So I got her out there with them. They take great care of her. And I thought, you know, I sprayed some cologne on a polo vests and left it out there so she could remember me. I came back about eight months later and my baby tiger turned to a tiger. Yeah.

I ain't trying to reach through the fence so she can smell my hand and none of that shit. So no tigers. No tigers. That's crazy, bro. That's crazy. But shout out to Bodie, though. She's still my best. baby, but she can't come on with you.

That makes me think about that picture of Mike Tyson, that infamous picture of Mike Tyson, where he got the, like, the big-ass chain on the tiger. Yeah. That's like, uh-uh. Like super crazy shit. No, uh-uh. I don't even see how he did that.

That tiger was big as hell. Yeah. Like, no. Not for me. Yeah, man. What's it been like to see your kids discover your music over the years? Incredible. They used to be my secret A&Rs, you know?

Yeah. Like, I'd come home. Tell you what's dope. Tell you what's dope. They come home, play a beat. They go crazy. I'm like, okay, cool. I like, Drey, we're going crazy to this one, man.

Yeah. Going bananas. So now, they're older now. And they, you know, kind of go back and discover things. And I think at the Hall of Fame, when they came at the Hall of Fame, there was like, we never knew that you had this type of impact on the world. And I just felt I was like, damn, you know what I mean? It was like, you really changed people lives.

And I was like, that's harder. They took that from that moment, you know? Yeah. And that's a beautiful thing. Yeah, there's some good kids, man, for sure. Yeah, man. That's so cool, man. Like, I kind of find that, like, I remember I asked my daughter,

I was like, what's, like, some of your favorite songs? Like, what's your shit, like, that I've done for? And she's like, well, I love Mr. Rager. And I'm just like, oh, okay. That's so fire. But in my head, I'm like, little as you know, I was out of my mind on cocaine. And then by myself in the room. Oh, my God.

Yeah. Like, you know, that's my shit, dad. And I'm like, nice. Fuck, okay. That's your shit. Okay. Then I got to ask, like, are you okay? You know, is everything all right?

You know? What's your favorite music that your kids have put you on to? My daughter's put me on to some cool, some cool. some cool groups. See, that is a good one because it's a bunch of underground shit. Yeah. Especially my daughter

it's a bunch of underground stuff. Yeah. I think it was like Bobby McFerrin's son. I forgot what his name is. Oh, wow. Yeah, just put me on the, just real alternative different stuff.

Like my son's like, my younger boy, he just, he owned to Gunner. Gunner's his shit. Yeah, yeah. He'll get up by none of that shit. It's Gunna. All the way Gunner.

He jammed that shit. All right. Gunna. Yeah, we share music, But it's like I don't know all the artists. I just know Gunner because Krause played the shit out of gunner. Yeah. You mentioned the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Where were you at when you got that call? I was at a restaurant in Atlanta called the Chastain. Oh, by Chastain Park. I was, you know, having my dinner with my soft leg. And, you know, me and her was just at the table. You know, she drank a little wine. With your soft leg. That's my old lady.

My soft leg, you live. I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no, no, come on, daw. No, I didn't know. I wanted to think it like that. No, no, no, no, no, no. I was just like, what is that? My girl, my squad.

I love the way you talk, bro. Yeah, my squad, man. That's my squad, man. Having dinner and then managed to call me, and I called three thousands on the phone. Like, yeah, it's forever. It's forever. You know what I mean?

No fault in the hall. Yeah. Yeah. In the Hall of Fame, man. Like, we fucking did it. Yeah. And what else is there to do? You know what I mean?

Just live. And make some music with you on the road. You know what I mean? Exactly. Make some new shit. Exactly. Now, you know, make some new shit. Because I feel like I'm at that place in my career where I don't have anything to prove to.

Man, just go for it, man. Just create, man. Yeah, I got 13 albums. Wow. 13 albums. Like, what I, what I, come on. Yeah. I got three men on the moons that anybody loves.

All of them shit's bump. out. You know what I mean? Like at this point, I'm just like, I just want to fucking create here, create there. We're going to cook. Yes, sir. Doing more things with Dr. Genius. And everything is different.

Yeah. Everything is different. You know what I mean? The stuff that we do, like, I want to really, because you are like my dream collaborator. You know what I mean? Like, you are my dream collaborator because I know we can sit there and really be like, but how can we create the new shit? You know what I'm saying?

And having your. brain in the studio while we cook is that's special. Yeah, we're going to do it. You know what I'm saying? Like putting our heads together and coming up with something, man, we could really make something fucking special. She hates me as an appetizer. And the new record, we got the jammy sent me.

That's going to be, that's going to fuck them up because I'm going to put my foot in that one. Okay. And then we're going to do, let's, from scratch, some more shit. Stay tuned, man. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Stay tuned. In June, you're playing a concert to kick off the World Cup in Atlanta.

Yeah. What does it mean to you to be, like, the face of Atlanta? Just that the city proud of me, you know what I mean? Yeah. I'm proud of my city and be an ambassador to welcome the world to, you know, Atlanta. Like, that's an honor, you know what I mean? Yeah. And that soccer, man, that soccer is so, so huge.

Yeah. I didn't realize how big it was until a few years ago. I went to my first soccer game that Atlanta United. Yeah. The World Cup is massive. I know, but the soccer game. is live than the football game. Yeah.

They don't sit down. Nah. They're up the whole time. It's chanting and it's weird. Yeah. And it's split second. Man, it's so live. I thought it was going to be like,

oh, they're kicking up and down the field, but no. Nah, that shit is intense. Especially if you, you're sitting in the suite behind the goal and they kick the ball and you catch that shit behind some chicken wings. Yeah, I did that a couple of times. That shit made it live as hell. So we're going to be there, man.

The World Cup is going to, I think it's going to be bigger than when the Olympics came to the city. Oh, man. show. Okay. Okay. Well, look, bro, this is the end of the show where we do the wrap-up, right? He's just some quick, rapifier questions. I'm just going to fire them off. And they're fun. They're chill. Okay, cool, cool. What's one thing you nerd out about that most people might not believe? I carry a polky ball in my pocket and catch Pokemon when I'm traveling. I surely do. I'm on, like, level 60. I'm a pokey master. and I just, I catch Pokemon or even know what the pokey ball is

you put in your pocket, you sink it with your phone and that bitch catch the Pokemon when you ain't even got to swipe up and spin the ball and nothing that shit. You just got to buy, you got to keep buying a bag space because you're running out of space because you're spinning all the pokey stops. Is that a good one for you? That's real life.

No one is expected. I know, I know. I even turn stank on. Stank on there's a pokey stop the studio in Atlanta. There'll be a lot of Asian kids sitting across the street in the parking like catch a Pokemon. Oh my God. Yep.

That is perfect. That is perfect, bad. I'm going to get it with you won't now. I'm not going to tell the truth. What are your must-have items on your tour writer? I want to steal some of your ideas. And better make mine better. Just let's, I think it might be alkaline water, honey, lemon, and throat coat tea.

And then my cheek shit is if I'm feeling tired, I get a big ass scoop. with peanut butter. Yeah, before I go on stage. Yeah. Oh, man. I'm still in rage mode. My peanut butter is tequila. Oh,

well, of course, that's on there, too. Yeah. That bitch, I'm talking about, I'll talk to you, talking about the other shit.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's on there. No, the tequila, too, all the, the, the drink, you know? It's on there.

But that's every time I go on stage, every, before every show, I, like, literally take the bottle, I'll swing it, like, and I go out,

and I'm like, Because I need something to cool off my nerves. Yeah. Because I'm like, before every show, and this has been like this for years, right? This might be a little bit TMI, but before every show, I feel like I have to take a massive shit. Damn. Like 15 minutes before the show. That's nerve wracking right now.

It never feels, bro. It never feels. It's like, why? Yeah. Why, right? And it's like the nerves, right? So I literally run to the bathroom Oh my goodness

I take it shit And they go outside But it happens so like It's like it's It never fails It can be like Sometimes not 15 minutes I'm like oh

That's happened It's been 15 minutes Okay 10 minutes It's like oh fuck Man I got 10 minutes to go handle my business And get back on stage

That's pressure You know Yeah That's yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah The bubble guts

Man This is serious The nerves If you get trouble back in time to see one musician or band live in their prime, who would it be? Bob Marley and the Whalers. Ah, yeah. Yeah. Definitely, man.

Yeah. My top three artists of all time was actually, I got a 1A and 1B. Number one is Bob Marley. Number 1B is Kate Bush. Okay. And I say number two is NWA. I love it. And it's like, that's me.

right there. I love all three of them, put them in the basket, roll them up. That's me. I love that. Yeah, for sure. I love that. When you're out in public, what's the song that people ask you about the most? Maybe Miss Jackson? They sing Miss Jackson. They sing Miss Jackson. But then, like, the new kids, like, the ones who don't really love the music, they'd be like, hey, that's that nigga from ATL. I'm like, yeah, I kill at. You know what I'm doing. I know. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I get that a whole lot. And they might be like, you don't know the song. He can't sing the song. They're like, uh-uh.

Nope. I'll see that meme every, like, week. Crazy. I know that ain't, I think I did. Yeah, man. Oh, my God. Favorite venue you've ever performed that? Mine is Red Rocks.

Oh, mine's fine, too. Really? Yeah. That's the shit. Red Rock. That's so dope. It's like. I wanted to get Red Rocks for this tour.

Man. But we, it was, or no, they, no, it wasn't. It was like the day that we had available for the, to do the show, they had shit booked already because everybody's touring the summer. Yeah, I was supposed to do Red Rocks with Ice Cube and them. And then they told me that it was like, because I was going with you, that was like they had to pull me from that shit. Bro.

I've done Red Rocks with Empire the Sun before. I opened up for them. And that was, like, watching their performance was fucking insane at Red Rocks. Because they put on their actual show. They got like outfit changes, dancers. is just like super artistic and Luke Steele is like a multi-instrumentalist and like

how's your breathing up there though? Um, um the oxygen tank. Yeah, right when I get off the stage, I'm like, all right y'all, see y'all.

Give me some gas. That's his, what? That's the only thing about that. Yeah, man. You definitely have to perform differently. Yeah, like,

and you got to pace yourself. And like, I find that like, I'll go in thinking like, all right, I gotta pace myself. And then like, I'll see the excitement from the crowd and I'll get hype like, yeah, yeah, start dancing around and I'll like start rapping. I'm like, oh, shit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Now, just be like, put the mic out and have them sing it. It always works. Get it a little can. They always singing it, you know. A can of oxygen and then had to. It's just so one time, no. I'm about to have it on my, on my hip,

just in case shit gets hot. Man. Hot tub get too hot, you know what? What's your biggest mood shot? a goal, a dream, or ambition that might seem impossible. Anything's possible, though. Yeah. Maybe that farm.

That's very possible. I got the land. I just don't want to live that far from the city, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you want to do it, go for it, man. Yeah.

I'm going to get that farm, too. I'm going to start out with three chickens. Okay. And then one little goat. For real. Yeah. Three chickens and a goat, I'm going to start out. You got to tell me when this happens, bro.

It's coming. It's coming. I'm designing the house right now. It's going to be good. Oh, man. I got to pull up. I got to pull up. Yeah, man.

And we're recording the barn. Come on, man. Don't build the studio in the bottom, man. It's going to be good. I love it. I love it. What's one guest you'd like to see on the show? Killer Mike.

Killer Mike is a good. He's a straight shooter. He's a great talker to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love Killer Mike, man. And I met him a few times.

The first time I met him really supportive of me. It was showing me a lot of love. And I was taking back because, you know, like I just didn't know who you know I never assume anybody's a fan or fucks with my music you know I mean there's so much music to like out there you know um

but he's just such a amazing masterful lyricist yeah and you know when he told me that he fuck with my music it just blew my mind he was when he found out I was going on tour with you he was like shawda you know I got to do some of them dates with y'all

oh yeah bring me out yeah he comes like Atlanta yeah yeah he's gonna rock for sure Perfect, perfect, man. Yeah. We got a had a homie. Yeah. Easy.

Big boy, man. Thank you for doing this, bro. Appreciate it, man. Yeah, we're about to get on the road and get it in. Yes, sir. Yeah. New music. Damn right.

That's the name. Damn right. This step one. You know what I mean? It's coming soon. We ain't fucking with y'all, man. This is real. Let's shout out.

Peace. Gee-in. Hey, thanks for coming through the attic, y'all. Make sure you subscribe on YouTube or wherever you get your podcast and follow the show on social media, Big Bro Cuddy. Until next time, love yourself, take care of each other, dream on. Peace.