BigDeal - #15 What Nobody is Telling Women About Marriage, Health, and Success | Mikhaila Peterson

Episode Date: June 18, 2024

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can't do all those. So today we're going to ask the questions. Like, can you do all that? What's it like to be with a woman who makes a lot of money has a business? And dare I say, is beautiful. Honestly, this episode felt like therapy for me. You know, things I wish I could ask more often to women ahead of me on a few levels, aka I don't have kids yet. So what that's like. So if you want to hear us talk about why midday sex is a whole different ballgame when you're working and how to be the type of person you want to eventually date, then I think you're going to like this episode. All right, let's get into the contrarian idea. The contrarian idea of the week is an idea each week where we bring something totally different into the mix. And this week I have this story about Warren Buffett. So in 2001, he gave a university talk at Georgia. And my friend George Mack wrote about it. And the question that Warren asked the students, I think really changed how I think about life in a lot of ways. So Buffett asked if you could invest in a friend and get 10% of their income for life, who would you pick?

Now, once the students answered the question, he then asked this, why would you invest in that person? What character traits do they have? And now that you have a character list of traits to adopt, Warren Buffett asked, if you could short a friend's earnings. Like you could say, not going to make it. Who would you pick and why? And now you have a list of character traits to avoid. So I thought this was so good because this thought experiment is genius, not just for friends, but for partners, for lovers, for people in your relationship. humans are pretty bad at self-awareness, myself included, but we are great at spotting things

in other people, aren't we? So if your friend is in the wrong relationship, you realize in 10 minutes what may take them 10 years to get. The premise is that it's easier to recognize other people's mistakes than your own. That was Daniel Kahneman. What's brilliant, though, is if you think about it this way, how can you apply this same idea to love relationships, work, marriage, and sex? So you see what you want in others, then mimic what they do daily and you'll get there. This episode is going to help you do that. Now, the second thing I want to talk about today is CEO Storytime. This is a crazy concept called treadmill friends versus sofa friends. And it's also from George. Treadmill friends are people where after you hang out with them, you have so much energy.

You want to run on a treadmill to calm down. You're just like raring to go. They fire you up. Then sofa friends are after hanging out with them, you're so drained that you want to lie down on a sofa to recover. Now, why? Because I think that energy transfers. It's called energy transference. And it's a concept that's difficult to describe in words, but everyone has felt it, haven't you? Like, you felt like you had a double shot of espresso after hanging out or talking with somebody. You know, Steve Jobs was famous for energy transference so strong that they called it his reality distortion field. You believed you could achieve incredible things around him. And these stories basically talk about a person where, for Steve's, he made you feel like the only person in the room. He was the first person to believe in me.

So if you've always struggled to understand that saying, that I think was Maya Angelou, that people don't remember what you say. They remember the way that you made them feel. That's energy transference. And now it probably makes sense to you. And now the question to you is, what do you do in your relationships and the humans you bring in? I think there's a little nuance here, which is, yeah, it's a little woo-woo. It's probably a mixture of charisma, tonality, the tone of your voice, belief, facial expressions, like how smart you are, maybe. Our subconscious brain understands this thing. And I'm not sure you can teach energy transference, but you can't teach the awareness of it. So if you hang around treadmill friends, it becomes memetic. You want more. And the same is true

for sofa friends. So watch out. I think this goes back to that old adage of you are the average of the five people you spend the most time with. That was Jim Rowe. So I want you today to steal my treadmill friends. To steal the people who move fast, make you want to get up off the couch and make you want to do something with your life. Do you know, when I was growing up, I didn't have rich friends. Now I do. You can steal them. And by rich, I mean, rich in all aspects of life. You know, if you eat a lot of junk food, you know, we know you're probably going to get a fat. If you listen to a lot of trash, maybe you're going to get a little dumber. And I realize we don't have good role models to look up to for women. You know, what are our options? The Kardashians, sex podcasters, probably no winning there.

some of the smartest, richest, happiest, hottest women I know, I wanted to ask them, you know, if you're healthy, like, how do you stay there with all this other stress in life? You know, if you have a great marriage, why? How'd you find that guy? You know, I think it's become un-PC to say, but it's so important and fulfilling to find a human to do life with. Like, you will be happier if you find that. You know, I wanted to ask them, do you have, like, faith or a moral compass to guide you. And I really wanted to ask them, you know, can you be feminine and beautiful and also really successful? For those of you that don't know Michaela Peterson, she's a fascinating human. And let me tell you why really quickly. It's not just that she is the daughter of Jordan Peterson,

arguably one of the most famous men on the internet, psychologist who kind of helped push back against woke culture, overreach by the government, and also sort of inspired a nation of young men how to be how to be citizens. But I think that the most interesting thing about her, is actually what she's persevered through. So if you don't know her story in 30 seconds, it's wild. Imagine every single health condition that one could have, basically, from rheumatoid arthritis at a super young age to having hip and ankle replacements, to being on oxycotton for the pain, to getting addicted to it, to wanting to end her life from the pain all before the age of 20. And then having massive toxic mold issues, more chronic pain and inability to get pregnant.

And then realizing that the modern medical establishment was not going to help her, it was likely going to kill her. And thus she took her life in her own hands and now has a very insane diet for what a lot of people would, you know, not be able to handle, which is only meat, red meat. But what I really like about it is she pushes back on conventional norms. So today, we're not going to talk so much about her medical journey. That's not my area of expertise. I just want you to know what she's been through so that when she talks about the way that

she's shaped her life, you can see her context. If there's somebody who has a reason and many excuses for why they're not successful, it probably would be her for why they aren't in a happy relationship, for why they're not married, for why they don't have kids, for why they don't have money. She has all those excuses. And yet, despite all of that, she's happily married. She has two beautiful kids. She has an incredible family.

I met her husband. He's awesome. And their business is blossoming. Now, nobody is without issues and problems. And I'm sure she certainly has those two. But today, I wanted to talk to her about what does it like to be in a modern relationship? as a woman who works and how do we crush it at that? She also went through a divorce like I did. So how do you find love again after that as a single mom and a kid who, you know, had a lot of health issues? Or as she said,

she brought a lot of baggage. And then how do you keep a marriage alive and thriving while working a ton and having a lot of stressors in your life? And I'm sort of of this belief lately that, you know, it's just as tough for women as it is for men out there right now in two different ways. And I was talking to Arthur Brooks the other day. And he was saying that for most of modern history, women in every single category have been happier than men. Divorce women, signal women, widowed women, all happier than men. And yet, now today, men are just as happy as women. Did men get happier? No, women have just gotten a lot less happy. And I think that we have to dissect that a little bit. You know, first of all, happy wife, happy life. But also because for each of us, if you're trying to find your life and your

path, it's helpful to see people who are already on the path before you. You can follow their trajectory. Without further ado, I want to get into Michaela Peterson into a podcast that I hope it helps you in the same way that it helped me. Michaela Pearson, I'm so stoked to talk to you. I want to talk about something that I don't see you talk about all the time, which is, this is going to be an episode for chicks today. I want to talk about being in a relationship. I want to talk about being in relationships while working a ton. Yeah. And in this like girl boss era where that's not so normal.

And so the first question I kind of had for you is, you know, you're married now for a couple of years. But you were divorced previously, and I'm guessing looking around for a human. Was that hard? You were successful. You were doing well voluntarily. And then you had to find a human who could keep up with that. What was that like? That was, it was really hard.

So a couple of things made it complicated. I'm swaned. Yeah, I work all the time. And I'm swunged. And the friend groups that I had in Toronto was kind of an older friend group. So there wasn't anybody in there that was interested in what I was doing. Not that I needed somebody particularly interested in what I was doing, but there were certain things I was looking for. So I was like, they need to be smart.

Well, let me start with me again. I'd gotten to the point after the divorce with a kid. that I was like, being a bad relationship is really bad. Being alone is way better than that. So I was like, I'm okay. I'm actually going to be fine. If I'm by myself, I'm fine. Now, I was lonely for sure, like very lonely, but I was like, this is fine.

I can do this. So I was at that point. And then I tried to think about what I wanted, which I wasn't just going to get into a bad relationship. I was like, okay, this needs to hit on a lot of levels. they need to be okay that I want to work all the time. They need to be okay that I'm not giving me say on mom. What else was it? They need to have a sense of humor.

They need to be emotionally stable because there's so many like crazy ups and downs in my life. And I have so much baggage and I had more baggage two years ago. But like so much baggage, it was like you need to be emotionally stable. When things go badly, you have to like be able to last it off. And then my ideal partner for me was something. somebody I could work with because I work all the time. So I was like, if I'm going to be working all the time, and that's all the time as in like the morning around eight until like 11, like all the time.

If I'm working with other people, then I'm just not around. So ideally I can work with somebody and they can help me grow the things that I only throw or that we want to grow together. That was like what I was looking for. And then they also had to be okay with the fact that I had a kid. So I was like, I'm screwed and I'm fine with being a lump. Like, that's what I decided. And I think I also got that from growing up and at now, I know, a fairly conservative family.

I don't think we were that conservative. We weren't really conservative, but there are some areas where my dad's very conservative. So I had this view that if you had a kid and you were divorced, you were screwed. And that's really common in the more like redfield areas or conservative areas is just like, that's it for you. And so I had that view and it was surprising to me. that I actually found somebody that was amazing. It was hard. I'd given up, and then we met through my look.

I'm going to double down on something. That's very specific. You like, I'm exactly exactly. Well, I was like, I'm not doing this wrong again. It takes you a while to get your person box that specifically. Like, how did you figure out exactly what that was? Is there a process if you've talked to other people about it? No.

I don't know how I came to that. I think I just looked at what my likes looked at. And then I'd been to a divorce, so I knew what didn't work and what I didn't want. So I think a lot of it was knowing what I didn't want. You know, sometimes you go out with someone, you're like, oh, they check off a bunch of my list, but they're missing this one thing. But they check off so many boxes that cares about this one thing. And then the longer it is, you're like, oh, that was really important. My dad had also told me from a young age, like super young, write a list of, so this was definitely from him, write a list of what you want in,

a man and look for that. I think she probably told me that when I was 14, like young. So that was probably in the back of my mind. But I think most of it was an aversion to being in a bad relationship, which was being like, I totally fine by myself. Like, I am being a successful in business. I have money. I don't have to worry about these things anymore.

I'm not going to have somebody come in and wreck any of that. It needs to be a positive. And then there needs to be a bunch of boxes filled out. in order for it to be positive. I'm shocked it worked out. I don't even know. Or like, what do I do? I don't know.

And then front of me is like, will you know? I think it was pretty unlikely that I was going to be fine. I don't know, though. Well, I do. I know she's super recent. And now we'll see. I always tell people when they ask me for a relationship. If I say, go, I don't know this is what I think now.

Check back anything. Or she should know. We'll see if I was right. But, you know, what I think is unique is one, you learn by negation, right? So you're basically like, well, I don't know what I want, but I know what I don't on Lord Biden, I'm not writing a list down to all the specifics, which is really not that normal of advice to get, as a young woman. It's like, I wish that I had known that for my first, you know, marriage too, that I got divorced. I wish I had written down a list of what was important.

What? Was there a portion of that list that was ethics and values? Oh my gosh. Honesty. Honesty. But that's tricky. That's tricky. Like, you don't know. Most people who lie to you, you don't know that they're lying to you. That's the problem with, like, psychopaths or sociopaths or something is they don't even know they're lying sometimes. So honesty was huge, like, on my list for sure. I didn't even write that down because it's like, you can't even communicate with somebody who lies to you at all.

So, yeah. And usually if people lie about one thing, then they lie about multiple things. It's true. And it's kind of, her means everything. Yeah. So that, yeah, 100 percent, that's the most important thing. If you're with somebody and they're telling you the truth and they're telling you what they think and they can organize their mind in a way where they know what reality looks like in a truthful way,

then I think a lot of other genes are fixable. That's a really good point because a lot of times remind yourselves, right? And I think I liked myself in my first marriage with like, no, he'll be okay with me working all the time, though. I mean, they'll eventually get that I'm like this. And so he didn't get it. And he didn't want that to stay that way. And so when you think about, you know, being in partnership with another person while you do, all of these things.

How important is that to you now? Like, is that your top priority? Is your relationship with your husband? Does he come first? Do the kids come first? How do you prioritize it as the relationship comes first? And then kids come back and come back. Because this is come third.

Is that hard to do? I think at the beginning, yeah. For sure. For sure. Things were way... out of sorts at the beginning, but I was also having a difficult time. Trusting, you know, when you first meet someone, you're asked to be like, okay, you go first, right?

Like, that's just naive. But I don't know if you can do a, and maybe you can. I don't know if I can do a successful relationship long term without putting that person first. Yeah. And then what I've found, and I'm lucky enough with my relationship with Jordan, is, is I structure it that way? everything works better anyway. So initially what I was saying, okay, business comes first or kids come first, it wasn't working as well. The other thing that was interesting that changed

throughout my relationship is at the beginning, I was in control of everything business-wise. And that was because I tried to give other people pieces of it and they screwed it up so badly it's beyond comprehension, like lawyers involved, just like, wow, how did you, who wasn't very, helpful. How did you manage to create this much of a mess? And so I was used to that, like way too used to that. So it took a while, and it needed time to understand, like, can I give these things that I'm building away and will they run properly? And so I think just because it's been like three years, that's come a lot smoother. And I've seen him build a little much things with Peterson Academy and brands and things like, oh, he actually's out of better than me

doing different aspects of it, but definitely better managing people. I usually just get it like if people aren't doing things the way I would do them. Yeah, like, send girl. Yeah, so I was like, okay, you are definitely, I'm not the manager type. It's like so I think I needed time. But yeah, that's the order. When did you first realize that you wanted to put him first? Like, was there a moment where you're like, oh, this is like that?

I think I probably wanted that to be the case right off the bat and didn't actually do it until a war recently. So that probably would have been like partially lied to myself. Because I knew that that's what I wanted, but there was a part of me that was like, didn't want to relinquish control of something things in the business, probably, and put him first. I don't know if that makes sense. So it's probably, it probably took two and a half years really into a relationship. I don't think that's that long.

And I do think it's how I need to just do that right at the beginning anyway. but that's something I wanted before I actually had it. You as something interesting, which is you basically said in the beginning, I come with a lot of baggage. I come with all these issues of problems. Yes. And I don't think that's very normal for people to self-identify baggage or problems. Maybe it's really. Maybe you forgot as obvious as mine.

We'll talk to me about. Like, have you always been that self-aware? Do you, because it always has to come with incredible things too. I think a lot of times women's problem, our problem in mind too is, you know, it's like we want a list of this for a man. It's like, 472 things. And it's like, but I'm showing up with these five. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. And so I think people like learn a lot from somebody who's willing to say, people look at you and they're like, she's beautiful. She's successful. You know, she's smart. But she's still willing to say that she comes with a lot of baggage. Like, talk to me about that. Like I said, I think if the baggage is this audience.

I also probably had a bit of a war perspective because it did take me until I was older, probably 20, probably almost at the point when I met Jordan where I was like, actually like I'm going to be okay. Like I have money. I have my health. I have like countless opportunities. I'm actually in a pretty good place for like a meat, which I probably didn't consider that until I was probably 20 times. Yeah. But Vegas, I don't know.

I'm on an all meat diet. for severe autoimmune issues. And I'm like, I'm totally sane, but if you only knew me in that, like, in regards to my diet, you would think I'm nuts. We'd be like, did that meat touch anything? Okay, it did? I'm not eating it. So if you go out to a restaurant and that's the date and we're like, oh, you put oil on my steak,

I'm not eating that steak. I'm not like unapologetic about it now. It's just like, just steak with meat, soft that hard to cook. But, like, that's a lot. or like people get attached to their favorite restaurant. I'm like, okay, I'll go there. I'll have to eat anything. You eat, I don't even care, which is true.

But like, so the diet on it was a big one. It's like, people get super operative out if you change your diet at all. And I'm like, only eating meat. So it's pretty weird. So that was a big one. And then there was kid. And then there was the divorce situation. And then I work very closely with my family and have like,

I was a very close relationship with my mom and my dad. and running their companies and my family is kind of particular super interesting I think they're super interesting conversations are amazing but like we're weird I wasn't going to change for anybody

although I did change a little bit for Jordan in like positive ways but when I met him I was like I'm not changing anything like and because I don't want to like tapping down carts to myself and then later be like oh get resent for it. or something like that. So it was just, I think the health thing was a lot of baggage,

the work thing was a lot of baggage, the kid, the private relationship. There was like a lot that was obvious, I thought. What do you think about, you know, a lot of women these days, obviously having less sex than they've ever had, being in fewer relationships long term than ever, not getting married, about having kids until later, your real changed statistics over the last 20 years. If there are young women listening,

if you want to be successful, and in their careers, but also want to find somebody. What's your advice? Any, do you give them? Do you think that there are things you can actually do to find a great mate? I think the list is helpful. I think if people I told me don't listen to my intuition, that would have been really bad official.

Like if you're with someone, you're attracted to them. They're funny, especially as a young one. Say you're like 22, 23. You're attracted to them. They're funny. They're like charming. and your guy's kind of like nervous, that's not a good idea. Like, you should be going for people who make you feel safe.

And I think people can get wrapped up in psychopaths in particular when they're young because they get this excitement feeling and it's not, it's almost the same as being enthusiastic about something, but you should be around that person and they shouldn't make you feel safe. They shouldn't make you feel a little bit anxious even if they're charming. So I like, that's advice I couldn't use probably. and then make a list. And then also try not to stress out about finding somebody too quickly.

Because I know when you're like 18, I can know ourselves 18 to 23. I'm like, this is the time. The time is now. But it turns out there's a bunch of time after that as well. And I don't think all these like lies of the red pill, whatever that sectioning intends you're out about like you need to be a certain age to find someone. I don't believe that. So I just just ignore that working on yourself is the best thing you can do though

They make yourself More knowledgeable more able to grow something make more money Make yourself as attractive as you can like focus on your health health is huge Diet so just and I think it's the same advice from the out of end right It's just work on yourself until you're so many want to date That line is so important and seldom to utilize it's almost like you're not allowed say it anymore, which is like if you want to find a, what did they say, you want to find a high

value man, be a high value. Yeah. And I think it's absolutely true. And it's that like willingness to look intensely in the mirror. Yeah. And I'm the person that I want to date. And I think a lot of people would say yes, but like be specific. I mean, I have a girlfriend right now that I'm really pushing because she's amazing so many ways

to find her person. But it's like, well, you're having health issues pretty. You're having financial issues pretty aggressively. You know, we're kind of like nomading all around. You don't have roots and community. You're a little emotionally unstable. If you took all four of those things and flipped them on a dude, would you date that person? Yeah.

And the answer's no. And so like being really aggressive in the mirror seems super important and also kind of rare. Dealing with your house too, like I think most people have some sort of health problem. Yeah. And from my experience, you can get that under control with like lifestyle changes. do that primarily and then worry about finding somebody. If you're healthy, then generally speaking, you're good-looking and generally speaking your sparder, and that'll kind of take care of the rest of it. Such a good point. Also, like, not something that people want to talk about

to them. I mean, it is true. If you had a choice between going and doing three or four or four days that week, like, so I can left or right, but going to the gym three or four more times, you probably should have a job. Yeah. I'm talking to, uh, to orthoenix. the other day, and he told me the statistic, which I thought was fascinating, that in actuality, um, dating apps are sort of created so that you can find people who you think you will like, right? So you find the people that you think you like, who do you think you're going to like people that are like you, right? So you kind of have the same values.

You want the same background. You, you, we sort of mirror ourselves. The problem is the status seemed to point to we want compatibility, not, um, complete metaphary. So I actually thought that was interesting. But remember we grew up at, like, opposites attract or whatever? And that was sort of, at least I remember think that was a bad thing. Are you, yeah, I didn't like kind of different enough where you come together as opposed to be sort of really similar?

We're incredibly similar, actually. Interesting. Or incredibly similar. She's probably like a more exaggerated personality than I have. So not exactly the same, but we are pretty similar. Like, he's extremely extrad. and I'm assuming that extroverted. He's way more disagreeable than me.

But I'm also fairly disagreeable for a female, so that lines up. Neither of us are neurotic. What does disagreeable pay the desktop? Okay. So if you split the personality scale into openness, consciousness, extra version of agreeableness and neuroticism,

it's about the big five. That's a really accurate way of judging personality. And agreeableness, it's not just a positive aspect. So highly agreeable people are more. more likely to follow stupid rules, for example. You know, like, don't plan this field. Why? Right?

A agreeable person wouldn't be like, why? So if you score really eye on agreeableness, those are the people that will go along with group think as well. If you go to very, very disagreeable people, depending on other personality aspects, then they can end up in jail on things. So you can be extremely disagreeable. Or someone will argue with you over nothing.

Like, what are you doing? So you don't want to necessarily be, you can be on extremes if other personality traits like kind of even you out. But generally speaking, I mean, I'm more than a fan of just miserable people because they're also more likely to tell you the truth if it will hurt your feelings. So great old people will like tell you the truth in a way that's kind of a lie in order to not hurt your feelings. It's like I like your hat and they don't like your hat. Just saying they wouldn't like your heart, your feelings. So that's an variable person thing to do.

Disagable people will be like that hat and shit. I like you, but that has to. I kind of, that's a reason why women get, like, the pink or the blue or the bright hair is because a lot of people look at it and say, like, I like it. But what they're actually doing is just, like, they're looking at it, and they feel like they need to make a comment about it. I think I actually like it. I got lime green nails.

Yeah. That's a bad idea. But I had my ring nails when I first met Jordan. And Jorke goes, I liked your nails. And my dad had said the same thing. So my dad goes, they like your nails. It's like, no, you don't. You ain't?

I hate these nails. I was like annoyed as soon as I had them die. He's like, yeah, I didn't be just surprised me. I was like, okay, there's the truth. And then George said the same thing, even though he's very disagreeable. I like your nails. No, you don't. So yeah, it's that.

I think it's that. Like anybody listening, if you have bright hair, like he's never really listed off anybody. The only way it's good is if you have a lot of makeup on. And then if you could like live work on you. Like Kelly's shirt. It works that she's at the peak here. So we've got, you know, we've got stucco happening here.

She's hot. But there's like a lot. happening on her face. So, you know, here for relationship advice and an awesome their daughter, apparently. Let me ask you about, like, did you think it hard when you were looking for guttly? There's this, there's this saying now that like men don't want women who work, right? Men don't want girl bosses. They want somebody to stay home. I see it all the time on my comments when I like about anything. If I had white's thing. A hundred percent. Did you, I never found that when I was dating. Dean, did you find that when you were dating?

Is that just an internet thing? Or do you think that's pervasive? I don't know. It's possible that the only people I was interested in and just weren't interested in that? It's self-selection. I have no idea, honestly. There could be an entire area of society that we're missing.

I think I've seen a lot of the content that the Redfield people are putting out that are looking for women like that. And those are very specific types of men that I wouldn't be interested in anyway. So I don't know. I didn't find that person. No. I think that men in general would like to have interesting conversations with their significant other and not just be like, do my laundry woman.

Exactly. Especially I think a lot of successful men are like, that is a $10 an hour chore. And if I actually marry a $40, 10 an hour chores, that would be four math. Yeah. And so, yeah, men want to be taken care of, but I do think that's true. Yeah. They want to feel supported and loved. And I think they have a higher percentage.

of them that have acts of service is their love language than limiting? Oh, interesting. But, you know, I can't see that. Yeah, I don't think they need you to scrub the dishes every day as like your main, you know, contribution to the relationship. I don't think that it's necessary. No, I think, especially if you can figure out the value hierarchies. No, I value you. And I do believe that you have to value that relationship at the top. I think if you can get that value right,

then the traditional, like, housekeeping, house cleaning, unless that's what you want to do, and I know people who want to do it, that's fine. And there are areas that I want to do, too, is it like grounds me? But I think if you can figure out how to outsource that and makes more monetary sense and your RAN still wants you to do it, then there's something wrong. Plus, it's just huge happiness reliever to not have to quarrel over the little things. I think that's where people should spend their very first dollars. Like skip the Gucci, skip the Fannie, skip the Fendi, skip any sort of expensive things and outsource the menial tasks. That probably decreased the amount of fighting Chris and I did by, you know, to be quantitative. It's something

that's not that quantitative, like 10 to 15 to even 20%. It was just like you're tired at the end of the day. We got all this stuff going on and then somebody's got to do X. Interesting. I had that. That was one of the things I think I already figured out by the time I met Jordan. So I was like, I'm not doing laundry. Although I've switched that now. Like laundry? I kind of do like. I feel like it's the only thing I do that's like reminds me to stay humble or something. Like, no, I'm doing my laundry. Yeah. And I'm just going to keep the laundry. That I have help with. Like, I've got so much help with

other things that it was like, I need something to like do. Yeah. Keep it whatever. The therapist told me something that I really liked, which was strength-based relationship. So she was basically like, you know, you guys should figure out the things you're both you need to be able to. And then lean into those. Yeah. Stop attempting to change the other person. Yeah. I could come and go to the other. I say. So like, I don't cook. Yeah, I'm a shitty. He's also particular about the food that he orders. And so I could either drive myself and him crazy by trying to keep up to his level, where he's go, that's your lane. My lane is like, I keep everything clean. I mean, or sent it, I like she

play. Yeah. Hit my level of clean, different than hits. Do you guys have something like that too, where you're like, here's my strengths, there's your strengths. And we don't try to change each other. I think we're both clean. He's actually cleaner than me. And I'm, I thought I was. I thought I was clean in a problematic way. And then I met him and I was like, you have OCD. Like that's not his own, like, what does it do? Well, not anymore. I was so busy that it, like, on the other day.

He's just, he's just plain. I'm totally cleaner into like, I don't want anything to be dirty. And he's cleaner in that. I want things to be organized. Right. So I flight a different level. Yes. That.

Yeah. Labels all up. And water in the fridge, labels stays in the same direction. That is. So if you want to mess up dirt, we just kind of tweet at how about what I did for a while. I was like, this is the OCD, I'm pretty sure it is. I'm not sure if it is that he was like, I think this is a problem. Yeah, whereas I'm more focused on like, is it dirty?

Yeah, I don't want that. Yeah. So, no, I think our strengths line up pretty well. There's just been different areas in business where I'm like, okay, you manage people better. Like, you get a see back and I get annoyed and do it myself. That yes, isn't great. No. Visit BetMDM, casino, and check out.

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BetMGEMGEM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming, Ontario. Now, you've been around, speaking of like the Red Pill, though, for me, If you've met, you've met up with the entertained, right? To him out. How was that? And what do you think about, you know, his sort of red pill movement versus maybe how you see the world? I don't even know what his movement is anymore. So, no, true.

Like, I was thinking more raw, somebody or other. Lunarville. Yeah. His red pill view and then, like, sitting fresh kind of red pill. No, you get, yeah. Agitator, I feel like he kind of moves to what the crowd is feeling. So I don't even know what he's pushing right now. Is he still pushing, like, the only way that we're in our terrible?

Well, I think, you know, he's interesting because I would say there's like, there's like 20 or 30% of this stuff. And I'm like, yeah, that's right. Yeah. I actually, I agree with that. And I think it's right. And then there's like another 20% and 30% that I'm like, Jesus Christ, so this is the most clickbaiting nonsense that I've ever heard in my life.

And I totally disagree. And then the rest, I'm, like, sort of agnostic towards. But I have to imagine that he was probably sure a sad when you met with that. If he can hold this type of movement. I'm not, I guess, that surprise. So we met in 2019. Well, obviously, I didn't think he was going to be the biggest person on Erit. He wasn't, then.

No, my gosh, no. Pictures. So that was going to get a while that was on Instagram. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, well, yeah, Tristan. Yeah. I'm not that surprised, I guess. A little surprised.

She was very set on. He was like an interesting character. I told him when I met him, then he ran me of a shark. Yeah, this is. Yeah. And I told him that, and it wasn't Linda. He didn't take that as like a negative spank necessarily.

And I don't even know if I mentioned this as anything. She was like, well, you're pretty shark, like, this is weird. and he just he works really really really hard I believe that so I'm not that surprised that he blew up going it a little bit it's a little bit weird

meaning somebody when like they don't have he'd been a kickboxer I didn't really know I knew that I knew it didn't be a kickboxer he had like I think it was 80, that was on Instagram and I was like and he said he had some way of building online content and I was running red dad's channels

And he was like in the middle of potentially losing his job. And I was like, well, maybe this person who says he has millions of dollars can teach me to do that. And so met up with him. And he had told me what his plan was. And then we didn't end up going forward with that. So it is a bit weird a couple years later. It was like I've heard everywhere on internet. Yeah, that is wild.

People will all up like that. Interesting. Yeah, I kind of have the same take. So what it costs to separation of like business things now? One of the things I found when I was first starting out with my husband, about my husband works with me too. And I think, like, at least for us, the first year was really hard. Like, it was hard for me to relinquish.

Yeah, yeah. And he is a very strong alpha dude. So he was like, get out of my way. Yeah. And I was like, my fucking business. Yeah, totally what ends to you. And it was hard. I think it was actually harder that year than our first year of marriage,

which was also hard, to be fair. Did you find that same thing? And like, now to me it's my favorite part about our life together is that we worked together. But that first year I was almost going to, I was going to fire. Really? Yeah, I used that fire beat, fair. But like, is that the same? Yes.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly the same. So maybe this is comma. Yeah, well, especially if you grow something and then it's yours and then, but you can't work with like a partner and then have something not be theirs. That doesn't work either. I think it's helped that we're building other things together now. so it wasn't just the original company that I had to get them sun up. I think I just needed time, though, to see how common into us.

Because it's not like I was looking for people to give off work, too. And even to run them, like it's not like I wanted to continue running. Even my dad's brand, if somebody else can come in and do what I was doing, then they can have it. It wasn't like me wanting to do it. It was just that everybody who was helping was making it worse. It was like, well, I don't want that to have it. So I think it just took time to figure out. time for me to be able to trust somebody and like see how competent they were in order to give things

way so if you went back and did it again but you just set that expectation you'd be like listen it's just going to take time there's not much else we could do besides me see like your level of competence and like i'm sorry in advance but that's just kind of the way it'll be you know i literally did that oh wow that's really yeah at the beginning i did say like things are going really well and any of these issues that we're having i think are my issues and i need some time yeah yeah i had that conversation and like a number of times. You have a high level of self-aware because that must come up for like asking yourself like, if you're making a lot of mistakes.

Back in his books like that. Like that was the wrong way. Or, and I think getting healthy too. And maybe my dad also like try to work out problems in my life or I'll be through problems. So yeah, I guess I'm aware. I like to assume the problem is me before it's somebody else, even if it's painful. which is, well, I feel like if you have a problem a lot of the time, the problem is you. I probably could do that more.

That's a really good little note. It's also the only thing you're going to fall is yourself. Yeah. Yeah, I need exactly. Then you have all the powers. Yeah. So you kind of take power back by realizing everything's your fault. And that's almost the answer to everything, right?

It's like, you want to find a great partner, become a great partner, focus on you because that's the only thing you can control. Yeah. Yeah. And same with you want to be, have a great marriage. same exact thing. What if you, I mean, your parents have been married forever. My parents, too. I always ask them, you know, what the secret is? What are your parents telling you? What is their advice saying of you for a happy marriage? Do you guys talk about that? We talked to a guard more when I was younger and the biggest one was honesty, like when they first got together. My dad told my mom,

in particular, like, you have to tell the truth every day. You have to tell the truth about everything. And that was a big thing. So I asked people, don't tell the truth. It's easy. It's, it's, It's hard. Once you start telling the truth, that it's kind of hard to stop, but it's always kind of narrow that like, there are these situations where it'd be easy to just like lie a little a little bit. And if you let that permeate into your relationship, we just screw it. You have to be honest. So I think I got taught honesty was extremely important. Although I extoll another pinny divorced. So it's not like these lessons can protect you from everything out there. But I think the lasting marriage was honesty and dates. They're like,

like make sure if you have date nights. Schedule them in if you meet to. And I knew that from a young age too. Do you have a certain definition of what is it? Like a lot of times I find I go out on, like I go out to dinner with Chris, but do I catalog it or categorize it properly as a date? I mean, I think I'll put more effort into where I look like. You dress up.

Yeah. Yeah. Although I'm like dressing up anyway. But I'll dress up. Or we'll just call it a date. We're not like going to get dinner. We're going on in date. Yeah, so I think it's mostly like, and then no, we'll usually do some work, but sometimes, or if there's stressful things going on, like, don't talk about that for like this meal, no phones, stuff like that.

Are you the perpetrator in bringing out the phones for after your C? I'm the problem with the phones for sure. I think I used to be the problem, and more recently used to the problem. Because of Wives. But this is like way TMI, so just tell me to pound sand, but like, What about sex with, like, kids and businesses and you guys work together, like, we're together all the time? Like, do you schedule it? Does it just happen naturally?

Is that difficult for you this? It's pretty natural and pretty often. That's great. Yeah, just in doom time, middle of the day, like, sup, Jordan, a little bit of my own post, those who work from home. The 80s. The age, that's great. I always find that I, like, increasingly have a hard time. like switching for work.

Oh my gosh, me too. That's a huge drop because I don't. It's a thing. I do that. Yeah. Yeah. They don't. It's just like adrenaline or something.

I was like, if I have to solve the work, if I'm in the negotiation or something, or like, God for ban, I'm dealing with lawyers and something horrible, then like I'm in a different section of my brain. And like sex doesn't even, doesn't live there at all. I was like, I need to calm down. I don't know what that is. But yeah, it's work both. whatever work mode is.

No. It's a different vote. It's not a fluffy mode and work mode. They're not the same thing. Not the same. No, mine work mode is a desert for a second. Yeah, yeah.

There is no sex that lives there. And it's something that I've had to talk to Chris about because I'm like, it's like in the middle of the day. I'm like, I'm operating at 12 stress level really. Yeah. The idea of like a quick eat, I'd rather doubt when. Yeah, yeah. But I feel like a lot of my friends, you know, if they're not working and they don't have

class it. Yeah. Right. And so I'm. I'm sure not enough. I was the only... 100%. No.

It's got to be some sort of like, you know what? Cortisol and oxytocin, where I know that from childbirth, your oxytocin amounts go up and that's what gives you contractions. If your stress goes up the same time and cortisol rises,

it suppresses oxytocin. So maybe if we're in a high cortisol state, oxytocin is just diminished. I don't know if it works out weighing that. It might. And I have to calm down, too. It's not like I can go from work load and then it's like, oh, snap out of it.

There's just snapping. There's like 50 minutes, 30 minutes of evening, like trying not think about it so while. And then like maybe having something to eat and then maybe I need a nap and then maybe I need to have a shower. Like their age is not going away. No, it's like, don't just think about it. But like, babe, I'd think about it. Yeah, yeah. Too, I don't end here.

You know, if you want me to death fetch to find it, that's what the best you're getting out of it. Yeah, I was joking with him the other day too because I think women's like it's so interesting. all the things that are out there about sex and everything now would become like hypersexualized in a lot of ways, I think, in today's side. But it almost feels like in a fake way. They talk about all of the sort of, I don't like she's the word nasty, but just like very Oh, yeah. Disruled. Yeah, yeah. And so then I think young women today are like, yeah, I'm in this, you know, I mean, that's messed up. Yeah. I don't think it's good for us. And I don't think it's real.

And then it creates this false narrative, I think, to met. Oh, for sure. And people are. So like, say, like, podcasters or something, they get bits of the war, like, kind of fall over sexual stuff, and then act like it's fun, right? It's not fun. It's not fun. Yeah, no one thinks it's fun. They don't think it's fun either. If they think it's fun, they're diluting themselves into it so that they don't feel, like,

this moral guilt is not fun. I've talked about this a bunch is, like, the hookup culture isn't good for anyone. It's not good for men. It's not good for, it's particularly not good for women. It, like, hurts you. It doesn't look good. Nobody looks back on it in a positive way. It makes you lonelier.

Like, nothing about it is good. It's not funny. No. It's really not funny. No. In fact, you're really going to regret talking about, you know, BJs and all of your explicit activities and naming the guys and having it out there forever. Oh, my gosh.

Yeah. But the problem is, I don't think there are enough women who are, you know, you don't want to hear, you want to hear this from somebody that looks that's pretty and that is married and that is happy. or that is in great relations. I think a lot of these women are beautiful that are, you know, saying things like this and seemingly happy, but then kind of spewing

something that is so detrimental for women, and I think there need to be more people speaking going, I promise you, if your 20s kind of suck, you're going to need a bunch of idiots, but you do not have to also sleep with all of them. But yeah, have these terrible sexual encounters. We don't need to normalize that

because it's actually not necessary. Yeah, and it wasn't normal until very recently. That wasn't a normal thing. That was a very recently normal thing. And I feel like, I don't know, like what do you think about this? I feel like society's going back in the direction of a little bit more conservative because it went crazy for a while there. But I feel like there are more celebrities having kids younger or getting married.

And for a while there, when we were younger, like say early 20s, nobody was doing it. And I feel like now I'm seeing some of the kind of me, me, people in 25, age or age or something, get married. or getting gazed and which I was seeing when I was a teenager. I think you're right. I can't decide if it's actually happening or if the counterculture is louder. Like, is there a directional change and what young women are doing where they're starting to be more traditional and more conservative? Or are those who are that just a little bit louder pushing back against some of this?

Because, I mean, a lot of the data shows that young women, you know, sub 25 years of age, are more liberal than ever. men are the opposite. And I really see like two studies that I think you guys have talked about and Chris Williams and some others, but they're sort of like this bifurcation still of people.

So I'm curious. I can't decide. I tend to believe you, like to agree with you? I don't know. I could also be in this bubble, but I could like I'm meeting more and more people who are like, yeah, I want to have kids young,

which I think I heard as a teenager. I was like, I'm never having kids. Like, I heard that all the time. But it might be two different sections of society where like there are the people who are growing up as kind of a place. pushbacking and all the, like, really, really liberal stuff, being like, I'm going to be hyper conservative.

I'm going to be a stay on mom. And it goes like a section of society. It's like, I'm going to have five kids. Like that section, I don't know. It's hard to doubt. I also feel like the data is always like three or four years behind at least. I don't know. Things don't want great, though.

It's not like you can see by some of the more popular podcasts that talk about all these like sexually explicit things. They're very popular. So obviously it's very popular. What's interesting is like what's less popular now? Less popular is like girl boss feminism podcast. Like isn't it interesting that there's not a ton of women who are big podcast. So there's like you, you're probably one of the biggest that art sexually explicit or like Bravo. So sort of real housewife things. There's like maybe you. You know, there's like Barry Weiss. You know, I'm trying to think up there's really not very many at all in business. You know, except bold school. like maybe like you know uh susy orman's still like around there's not that any of that but there's this

big sexual explicit movement and then kind of not a lot and i couldn't really figure out why that is and maybe if it's going to change your up do you have any thoughts on that like have you been on a lot of think of podcasts or talked to a lot of other female podcasts or you're out yeah why do you think of like dan and patrick well yeah i'm like dama do that's it i might think that's weird i is that I feel like people, though, like, listening to women. Like, I'm serious. Do you not get that? Have you ever called someone on the phone?

You're like, oh, get my husband to talk to them because, like, they just don't care about what I say because I'm female. I experience that all the time. Like, oh, go try and get a car. Like, you talk to them. They're going to be, like, they're just going to take you serious as a hue and compare it to me. You have played the system. I used to fight back against it. I was like, this is annoying.

I think that's for the reason I try so hard to make money, too. but be like, take me seriously, take me seriously. And then I gave out, I think, when I was like 29 was, never mind. I'm just going to use other people. Play it. Like, forget it. Like, talking to lawyers, like, 60-year-old lawyers are like, yeah, can we talk to your dad? Like, my dad doesn't do, this is like, I'm, my dad doesn't do your readings.

Okay, I do your readings. So that are like, never mind. We're going to communicate or email. And I'm going to just say, my dad says in front of everything. I was like, forget it. I was just like, you're not going to change. what you think. So. David, dude, this is like a daily

struggle, I feel like, for me. I mean, I try to kind of similar you. I turn about play the gender thing, like, because I feel like I'm so annoyed, like, you know, when women were like, you know, I didn't get the job because I was a woman. But it is annoying. I don't think that's

exactly true. Because I, I haven't like not been hired or something. Yeah. It's more like when I'm in a position than the level of serious I've taken. Yeah. So like, Jordan joined me, right? He's like a month fan. I've been doing this for years.

And lawyers are in calls. I can just see how we're communicating. Like, he's being taken seriously. And I'm not, like, is it the blonde hair? Is it the shirt? I like, I don't care. I mean, I could have, like, short brown hair and maybe I'd be taking more seriously or something.

But I was like, forget. It's just a societal thing. I don't even take it's just men. I think that women take men seriously, too. Wars. I think you're, well, I mean, I've noticed. is a lot of Twitter. I think Twitter is like an exceptional microcosm for this. So like I remember I had this tweet that went out that was, it was just about my time at Goldman. I might have a bunch of

stuff that I learned. And it just got, you know, sometimes your stuff gets into a weird career. Yeah, yeah. Whoa, what's going on over here? And who heard you, who touched you where, you know? And the thread of the becoming like, she must have had been a secretary or good did she have sex with, did I guess? Yeah. At the beginning, because I was new to the internet then, you know, I'm like, looking at everybody's profile. Oh, yeah. It's a those days. Yeah. But you're right.

That still exists. It's pervasive. And I do think you have to look at it in the face and go, you will be taken not as seriously. And for years, I as a woman, like, man, when I was first of finding, it cut my hair really short, terrible look for me because I had, like, it looked like I'm not sure. It was awful. I wore like, no makeup.

I wore ill-fitting J-Crew pants suit. Yeah. Just because I wanted them to take me serious. I know, which is not the right way you go. Like, just give up on that. No. That's right. But that is kind of the direction you go.

going. Yeah. I'll take you more seriously. And it kind of works. Yeah. But it doesn't work fully. Not. And so whatever. If, you know, the fact that you and I wear makeup and that I have lashes on and then my hair's done is going to have somebody not take me seriously, then they're probably not a person. But you're right. Maybe that's why it's when it's only really other women want to listen to women on a long for a podcast. And our audience, though, is a lot of men. Yeah. It's like 17%. Yeah. No. But there's 30%. Yeah. Where are you? Same.

Actually, exact same demographics. But I talk a lot about money and finance. Yeah, that I listen to money. Yeah. No week, you're about your vagina if you could make the money. Yeah. Yeah. They should.

Yeah. Fuck people do. I'm sure. I felt best. Okay. Well, what I kind of want to close out with here is being in a successful relationship with kids and working. This is purely selfish questions for me, but I don't have had kids yet.

We're trying. I find the fertility to things. to be devastating. And, you know, all of these friends who are, like, on their fifth or sixth route of IBF, yeah, just not able to get pregnant. We're, like, beginning trial stages, but, like, I'm not pregnant immediately. And it seems pervasive. One, was it hard for you to get pregnant?

Or, you know, do you think some of that has to do with cortisol? That it just come easily, even though they were working? Okay, I'm going, so a couple of days. I didn't. I thought, because we're really, you know, both on this diet. People are going to think it's insane, but it's just eating meat. I've seen a lot of people with fertility issues, heal those fertility as you've just eaten meat. So, yeah, try that or eat as much as you can, cut out all the processed foods and everything. The healthier you can make your diet,

I've seen people who'd lost their period, have them here to come back. So that, so I think we thought when we got to get it, we were going to have baby right way. And now I didn't get pregnant. And it was like, what is going on? And it turned out, so he was another health thing, I was living two Billings that had major mold issues. Now, not major as in you can see it or you can smell it, but like it's behind the drywall and is poisoning your air, that screwed up all my hormones. Like all my vitamins went crazy.

All my hormones went crazy. And I did get pregnant. As soon as we moved out of that house, I got pregnant. It was crazy. It was six weeks. As soon as some of my like sick, autoimmune mold, tarsis symptoms went down, I got pregnant.

Like, oh, and actually I ended up having a miscarriage when I was lending back, which it didn't, it was that pregnancy was so awful that honestly, and then I was like, I don't think I'm going to meet it. But I think that's because my bonding was like something's wrong or something. For sure. Whatever. I attribute that that to the mold. I tried a carversing because I was like 31 and it was like just in pace. Yeah. Like I don't know what's going to happen in the future.

and then we never went through with IVF. So I've heard it's not enough to not go through with it. But I would tackle them diet and make sure you're not supposed to end mold and get your armlets checked. Because if your hormones are out of whack, mine were like, it had flattened. So these are obviously recovered. But I'm not buying hormones checked through Merrick Health. They do, they're really good at like try and vallus them.

And they were flattened like free metapausal flat. Yeah, all of them. I was like, where are my hormones? This is crazy. And that got enrolled and things got matter. So it depends what people are living at, but I look at like diet mold first, more than age. And to say, you know, it kind of tracks because I have all these hippie friends in Austin. And they're doing things like an entire gold milk cleanse.

Yeah. I forget the goat milk club. Somebody else brought up the goat might not try it. I'll do a meat cleanse. Yeah. Okay. We got all for her. Glenn. See that loss.

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And then another girlfriend went through and did like a big toxicity like a screening thing in Mexico where he basically got pooped up to all these IDs because she had too many metals. Oh, yeah. having no poison. Yeah. I know someone did that that too. Yeah, but I think it's nice for people to hear that it's not always easy for everybody. You could still be done. Because I didn't know that

it would be hard. I don't think anybody knows it's going to be hard. And I think a lot of people also just, you know, it feels like to me so many people buy into the medical establishment. I have a girlfriend that, fuck, if you go under her pantry, there's like, I'm not getting you. There's probably 50 different supplements she takes over the course of the week. that sort of course out and then all this stuff with IBF, and then tens and tens and tens of thousands of dollars. It just, I don't know, I'm not a doctorate, but in my God, I'm like, this can't be, this can't be the way.

And yet, and that's what we're told. That's what my doctor can't need to do. That's what, that's also what I was, I wonder if people are more aware now that it can give tricky. Because I think what I was told to was that even do IVF and that was just it. Yeah, and that it worked a lot. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't.

The numbers are... It's more 5% or less actually fully takes from the extraction all the way to a full-term pregnancy. Yeah. Even when I collected eggs, I didn't realize I did you got mold plants. I thought it was just like a one-end-up thing. No. Yeah. Well, anyway, I appreciate sharing the story because I think it's not something fun that anybody wants to talk about.

But the more I'm into it, the more I'm like, man, I think there's a lot of people that are in a little bit of despair about this. In fact, it's probably not you, you know, and I have a lot of friends now. We do prected at 48. And yeah, and then five. Yeah, but it's not through like traditional medicine. Yeah. Which is sort of like maybe where I want to finish out with you, which is that sort of part of your mission.

It's being, yeah, it's agreeable with the medical establishment, right? Yeah. My entire family almost die other than my brother. I don't know how these came to it. But in different ways because of the medical system. So my, like, my mom had cancer. She had surgery, but then they botched the surgery, and then she was going to die. She had some of these her healing to God because she had multiple surgeries.

I other than ever worked, and then she was like, I'm going to get better on my anniversary. And then it was magically cured of her anniversary. It was really weird. So that happened to her. I'm just like brushing over that story, but that actually happened to her. But so she almost died. My dad has like an autoimmune disorder that manifestsly the severe depression, was treated with multiple, like, antidepressants things that resulted in acrathia, which is, like, the worst

side effect I've ever heard of that lasted two and a half years. He almost died. And then I would have. I got my health health control and I was 23, but I had two power and toward arc race. I had my hip and ankle replaced. I was on, like, Adderall because I couldn't stay awake. I couldn't stay awake during the day. I was taking medication so I could sleep at night. I was on antibiotics with skibor ashes. I was prescription site anti-hussewings because I was so large to trees like I couldn't breathe up. I was just a mess. It was on embryo-methotraxane, which are immune suppressants for arthritis, and antidepressants. And then once I finally got healthy, I got off of all the medication.

Then I went into antidepressant withdrawal for two years because antidepressants cause withdrawal that nobody knows about. Like people know about pain killer withdrawal. But antidepressant withdrawal is worse. I've been through both. And so it's just like also there. The third leading causing death is medical error. And that's only what's actually the grit and down.

So we don't even know what about all the other deaths like psych med treatment, causing side effects, causing suicide. That doesn't count as medical error. So I guess I think mainstream medical system is dangerous. Still can't believe I talked about sex on the internet in a way that my mom listens to. So you're welcome for that mom and dad. But I guess some of these things we can talk about. in a way that don't have to be gross, that don't have to be over the top, that don't have to be

voyeuristic, like a lot of people talk about the fact that, yeah, two humans come together and that's how you make a baby. And that is what happens, in fact. This podcast, I thought, was really special today because I don't know about you guys, but sometimes I look around and it's hard to find women who are both working, successful, happy, and happily married. And so I hope you took some nuggets away from this. The one thing I want to make sure I tell you guys, though, is, I think Michaela's a big deal, but I think you're a bigger deal. And the biggest deal thing you could do for me is subscribe on all channels and share the show. There is no other way that people hear about this except you guys. Podcasts are super hard to grow. And yet we're growing like crazy. We're having hundreds of thousands of downloads across these episodes across platform. And we wouldn't be able to do it without you. And we wouldn't be able to do it unless you guys shared it. So do me a huge favor. If I've ever added value in your life, share the show. leave a review. Appreciate and love every one of you. Until next time, you're a big deal.