BigDeal - #24 What Top 1% Performers Do That You Don’t (ft. Danica Patrick)

Episode Date: August 20, 2024

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We're having such a hard time listening to someone that doesn't have the same opinion. That's where you grow. Yeah. Instead of just trying to prove you're right, try and figure out what is right. People think that if you're on TV somehow that you're not real. I have feelings, too. I'm a person like you think that that doesn't hurt me at all. It does.

You screaming from the sidelines just means you're not in the game. You don't like what Danica's doing. Go show her up. Life is a game. I want to know how to play it so that I can make the most of it. I love that. Hey, this is Cody Sanchez at the Big Deal podcast. to those who don't want to just be rich but free are willing to do what it takes. I'm excited to get

into this guest today. And I think you might realize why. Quick FYI, before we get into it today, I have my first ever book out. It's called Main Street Millionaire and it is all about how to buy small businesses to take back Main Street, your life, your bank account and maybe just save our country. If you haven't got a chance to pre-order, you can go to MSNBook.com and we got some special things coming from those who become owners and pick it up early. I'm excited to have Danica on the podcast today because I want to learn from winners, those who've been put in intense situations persevered no matter what and come out the other side with something to say about it. I want to learn what it takes to actually go zero to a hundred in multiple careers from broadcasting to being one of the biggest sponsored race car drivers in her career to what do you do after you've hit the peak? How do you find your second and third mountain?

What do you do after you've already achieved your dreams? and then figured out that maybe you need to have a whole new one. This podcast today is pretty incredible. Not only because today she's gotten into sort of the culture war and pushed back on things that she thought don't make a lot of sense, but also for anybody that wants a mindset shift to become that type of champion that even in zero-sum games, even when it is winner or a boozer, you can get that gear that gets you into winning mode.

I myself have always struggled with those moments in athletic careers where if I didn't perform, everything would fall apart. And so I want to meet with those who rose to the challenge when that happened. So without further a deal, my new friend, Danica Patrick, who by the way is also tiny and I look like a giant by comparison. Danica, so excited to have you here. You were obviously one of the most famous NASCAR racers of all time, race car drivers of all time.

And, you know, there was a point where I think you were one of the most highly paid and definitely you had more sponsorships than almost anybody than that. Yeah. So what was that like? What was that like? And did you always just feel like I should be here? Like you never had any sort of sense of self-doubt, even though you were the only woman or you looked a little bit different than everybody else there? I feel like self-doubt in questioning your talent, your skill is kind of human nature. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe you've met someone that's gone through life where they have never had a moment of waiver on their skill set and their ability to execute or rise to the occasion or measure up, I think that everyone does have doubt. And so I do too. And I would, you know, have those moments

in private, for sure, time to time. And, you know, it's definitely a curious question for people like, what do you do when you doubt yourself? And so for me, I leaned on my body of work. I was like, okay, I've been racing for 22 years now. I've been racing. for 25 years now or whatever it was. And it's like, okay, I've done this. I've accomplished this. I've been around a long time and you can't, you don't stick around on a flute for decades, right?

So that's the kind of stuff that I would look at and think to myself. And then I'd also be like, man, am I going to remember this? Am I going to remember how I qualified at Richmond, the fall Richmond race, not even the spring Richmond race in five years? Like, no. Like, I'm not even going to remember next year. So these are things that also help you cope to move on. And smart.

And then the third one, which is a bit more of an action, is like, well, if you don't like what's going on, do something about it and change. So if you want the same, what insanity, definition of sanity, do the same thing, expecting a different result. So if you want a different result, then you have to do a different action. And so I did that throughout my career, too, where I was like, well, maybe if I approach it from this way, maybe if I do it like this, maybe that would make. make it better. And I think that's the responsibility that you have to yourself to figuring out how to get there. What do you do if you doubt yourself without a body of work, something new you've never done before? You have to give yourself some, I think there's already like a built-in amount of reasonable expectation level when you've never done something before.

But then, of course, I think then maybe it comes to really like goal setting. And so when I got to NASCAR from IndyCar, there's race after race. IndyCar was a much short. season NASCAR was basically like every single weekend. And so the energy of one weekend would spill into the next one very easily. And that's what I let it do when I first got there. So I realized because and then it fully spiraled when it was like, I was like second or third race in a row that was bad early in the season. And it was Phoenix. And it was like, it was my sponsor's hometown race. And I was just like a bitch about it. And I realized after that I was like, whoa. Like I better learn how to get over this stuff really fast and leave it behind each weekend so that I can reset

the next weekend and bring a better attitude and a better mood because I'm always on. Like you don't have any and what it creates is like a pretty bad spiral. So the goal setting and like finding small incremental goals along the way to the big one. I totally believe you need to have really, really big goals, really lofty ones that you don't even know if you can, they shouldn't almost be, like they should be believable only from a hopes and dreams. standpoint, but it should be like almost, it should be like very difficult to reach. So the point that if you fall short, you've already like really killed it, you know? Love that. And, and so there's always the really, really big dream. That's almost like the impetus to it. The really big dream is the

impetus to the company or to the, to the business. And then, then you set the incremental ones along the way to keep you happy, to keep you positive, to keep you in a good mood, to keep the people around you motivated, to keep your damn sponsors happy, right? Like, those are the things. That they, things that you do to bring yourself up so that you don't lose yourself and spiral out of control because you've had a couple of bad weeks. It's like, okay, there's only been two or three rodeos now. That's a low amount of rodeos. Yeah, let's keep going. I think a lot of people in life don't have experience playing zero-sum games. You know, it's the hardest game there is because there is a winner and there are many losers. And in life, thankfully, most things are not a zero-sum game.

You know, if I grow my business, somebody else can grow it too, and nobody has to see me as I didn't win or I didn't lose. So when you were running these races and they were zero-sum games, how do you mentally prepare for failing or not winning in front of hundreds of thousands of people? Yeah. You basically lost every weekend. I mean, like the best of the best, like I'm trying to think one of my very good friends, Kyle Larson, he won like 10 or 11 races one year, which is like a crazy. amount of races out of like 40 or 39 or something like that there was. So the ratio is pretty good, but that's like insanely good. That doesn't happen that often. If you win five in a year, that's really good. So the rate of failure is super high. And I think that I think that's why athletes are

really pushed in the mental category very hard because there's a lot of losing. And so I think that's also why so many don't make it. That's why skill isn't really enough in sports and that you have to have more because you lose a lot. And does that translate to your second career, let's say now, podcasting, author, multiple time business owner? Is it the same in some ways as winning or losing on NASCAR race? I guess because the one thing I thought when I got into these other businesses was that I would just like pick up where I left off as a race car driver, meaning you do your big TV shows, you're on the cover of magazines, it sells well, it's like everything like cash flow king, you know, that it just like pick up where I left off. And I realized that just because

I drove race cars doesn't mean that people think I know how to make wine. And in fact, that seems totally reasonable. So you have to like build up a reputation. You have to build up credibility. So I think that's like one of the first big mistakes I made. But what we were just talking about with mindset is that I'm used to failing. So I think, like, what other way could we do it? I also think it takes time. You know, my career in racing was 27 years, so from 10 to 37, basically. So I didn't become an overnight success, right? It took a long time to get there. So I also think about that, too, and you're like, oh, that seems a pretty rational thought, too. Like, it might take some time. No, it's very rational. Yeah. But I think most of us are really scared of something.

So, you know, I've heard it called a death fear. And, you know, my death fear is actually failing publicly and like being irrelevant. What's like meant publicly? Just like being a public failure, like that my purpose of life is that I want to provide this massive amount of value. I want to achieve these things. I want my life to have meant something egotistically. And so if I fail, will that have meant that I didn't keep that? Like amongst your equals, amongst your coworkers, amongst your fellow?

other business smokels? I haven't got that deep. Okay. Or like just in general. Maybe in general. But, you know, so that might be mine or, and that it didn't mean anything that I lived.

That like I didn't do enough while I was here, quote unquote. Do you have a death fear? Because it seems like embarrassment or public failure. You're like, no, fuck it. I just, this is just, you win some, you lose some. No. I was about failing. It was about, it was just about not succeeding.

And that's why also like money has never been a goal. too because I know that money is a byproduct of succeeding. I don't have to have a goal of money. I have to have a do, I have just have to have the goal of succeeding. My goal is, well, first off, whenever I'm starting something, whether it was racing or any other company that I have, I start with a dream, which is actually why I named my wine somnium, because it means dream in Latin. And so there's already like a built-in passion for it. And then from there, it's like a seed, and then it becomes something. So these passions turned into business. is really what I wanted to do was I wanted to be successful like I just want to be really good at it

like everything I do I want to be good at and even like my podcast too like I think to myself I look at these other people and I try and learn and then maybe this isn't a good thing for me to do because the competitiveness in me wants to go like how do I become really great and and why would that not be good well no that not that part the part I think about is like cut yourself some slack as you already had your mountain, right? You already did the thing. You already won. Like, you don't even have to do this. So, relax on yourself. Have a good time. Do a good job. You're probably doing a good job. You don't have to put so much pressure on yourself to be the best. You don't have to, like, do an interview and feel like, damn, I wish you could have gone this way or better. Like, you've already,

you already had your skill set and you're competing against people who it's their skill set. Like, this is their mountain. This is their one thing. And like, I'm just on to the next thing. So sometimes I think about businesses like that, too, where I'm like, oh, just chill out. You already did it, you know? I'll really help me. I'll, like, give myself a little bit of peace of mind.

But I don't think that you can change. You don't really change people. So I'm never going to lose this want and drive to be better. Maybe I don't have the push that I used to because things like vacations are important to me and free time and less stress and 911s and running around the country. and sleeping in hotels and, you know, some of that stuff I don't want to do as much. So, but yeah, I think to myself, like, but we don't change. That's the point.

Like, there will always be, there will always be that fire in me. I think we, I think about that with a personality too. Like, I have a friend who, Joe Dispenza, who is like a book called Breaking the Person, to have it right yourself. And so I think that really could trigger people into being like, no, I like myself. And it's like, but, you know, it's all about becoming like, a better version of yourself. You know, it's not, it's just like breaking the habit of being yourself is, um, uh, it's just

a pattern. And so I don't think that, but inherently there's like an essence to you. And so as much as you're scared about like changing your personality and changing who you are, I think there's always an existing essence within you, within me, within all of us that will always be there. And do people ever say to you that like they, they have a generalization for what you're like or like a descriptor? Of course, yeah.

No matter what. Of course. You don't even have to say anything, right? No, 100 people. You walk in the room and they can all tell what it is. Yeah, that's your essence, right? Okay. When I sell my business, I want the best tax and investment advice.

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That's a good point. And also, it's a great reminder that no matter what you do, you can't stop being you. That's the one thing for sure. Until you die, this is what you are. And you can become better versions, worse versions, different versions. But it's just not sustainable to not be who you are. So that's a really good reminder, especially in a world where increasingly, we're all, so many people are pretending.

You know, we're collectively pretending crazy things. We're individually pretending crazy things. And I do think there's a huge freedom and honesty. I think it's also that we just don't actually know who we are. Well, you've done a lot of work on that. I mean, I was going through all of your podcasts in between, you know, working with doctors and plant medicine and going deep. This wasn't anything you did while you were racing.

This is all Second Mountain for you. Yeah. All kind of curiosities. But, yeah, there wasn't time or space for that. These are all just my other interests, like showing up. on a show. Do you find that a lot of high performing people who have had their first mountain that they've achieved then end up needing to seek themselves more because they're like, God, I achieved that thing. I hit the goal. Now what? Is there like an identity crisis that happens after that? I don't know. But I do think that we all like fall short in like one bucket

usually. Like you've got like your relationship bucket, work bucket, family bucket, hobbies, interest, confidence, but like there's like these sort of like buckets of like life. And, and I think that, I think that I think that we're always going to have to go to work on the one that we're not good at. The one that's more difficult for us. The one that we're more insecure about. The one that we're more challenged, the one that we'd have less confidence in, the one that we're not good at, you know, the one we don't might, maybe just don't have the experience in. But yeah, I always think there's like one.

So what's your relationships? Like intimate. Yeah. Yeah. And even like specific to that, I'm really not attached to friendships, businesses, anything like that. Like if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. If a relationship doesn't work, I'm like, what does it say? I'm like, I need to change or do something different.

So you put kind of like an amoeba. Like you change to try to keep the relationship. Well, yeah. And it usually shows up. a childhood pattern, right? There's, there's, it can almost always always be traced back to childhood. So, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or so, so I think that, you know, when you get past avoiding that one that you're not good at because you've been so focused

on something else, man, you know, have time, right? And, and, and, and, and, and, and you also probably doing more of those other things, right? Yeah. Yeah. Working your ass off. You don't have time for the other stuff. Yeah. Uh, so I think that it just shows up and it actually.

just becomes a more relevant problem. So I think that's usually, that's where a lot of myself help came from. But other than that, it was just pure interest in trying to understand how the universe works. Yeah, that makes that. Because it's just a curiosity of mine. I mean, first, you walked to the door, you're like, look at this crazy machine I just did with this inflammation thing. And I never, I can't even remember the names of all this stuff. So you obviously have that insatiable drive for learning. Yeah. Which makes sense because you use the term, I'm not stuck with any idea. Like, I am open to new learnings all the time. In fact, wouldn't it be a tragedy if your entire life you weren't allowed to change your perspective when you had more

inputs. Yeah. What a bizarre take to have in this world. If you never changed your mind, it means you never learned anything new. Yeah. Horrible. And yet that is something that we hold against people all the time. I mean, I thought it was a travesty actually that, you know, who was it? Amber Rose or whatever came and spoke at the R&C. Yeah. And she just got killed on the internet for it. Super impressed. Yeah. And I thought, who can't, she's, she was shipper. Yeah, she wants to be better. She's on the R&C stage or the tattoo on her head speaking like so articulately and beautiful. I'm like, wow, good for you. Hell yeah.

100%. Forehead tattooed RNC, good for her. That's the exact thing that I thought. And also shame on any of us who tried to take old versions, maybe worse versions of ourselves and say that we can't progress, that we have to be shackled to that person for the rest of our lives. Sure. I mean, you and I are both divorced. That would be tough if we were never allowed to leave that behind.

It'd be like a business not being able to pivot. It's like, nope, man, your first stab at it. You didn't do it. You can't know. No, no, I know you. You did those stupid advertisements. You can't do better now. That's true.

When you moved past being divorced, successful woman achieved a billion things. Like I told you, my COO is like a big Danica fan. So he was like, I've always had a crush on her. Like, shout out, Chris. I'm sure you get that all the time. You know, the last time that happened was a couple days ago I interviewed Ronda Rousey. Yeah. Which is someone I always want to interview.

Yeah, she's a very bad. I would have like really, really high achieving, very famous female athletes to come together. So I was really excited about it. And she walked in. The first thing she said is like, my husband, trabb wanted me to know that he has a huge crush on you. And like, she wanted to like saying, like, they were looking at before. And he was pointing out like, see, she's the same age as to me. Anyway, so that was the last time I happened.

I like that. If that is the legacy that you continue to have for them, that's incredible, you know? And then we both decided because my boyfriend had a crush on Roder Rousey when she was doing her thing. And I was like, well, same thing. And I was like, obviously are men like really strong women clear? That is true. Yeah, a lot of my female friends today will say it's really hard to find a man right now. Like there's no men anywhere.

And, you know, men don't want to date me because I'm successful or whatever. What do you think about that? I ask a lot of questions about human psychology, about the patterns in history and genders and what's inherent to them. I do think that there's like a provider gene for men. And I think that when a woman is successful, it like competes with that provider gene. Or like nature within them. I think men or a masculine mind is more like thinking, doing logical.

And a woman tends to be more, the feminine is more flow, wants more more. like possibilities dreamy and and so I think that I wonder too how much it's shown up in my relationships just being in like the do do sort of mode the masculine mind is super easy for me to do it's very easy for me to make decisions make the call pay the thing organized book do boss people around it's all do really easy to do yeah and so So that in and of itself is probably hard to break down past, like of mine, right? Because you've got to do better than that, right? You have to be more capable than that on some level.

But, and so getting into my feminine requires me not making as many decisions and doing as much. So I think that it makes it hard. You got to, like someone's got to get through it. And then they have to be able to like sort of uphold their end of the bargain. to be able to keep me in my feminine. And just ultimately, though, overall just, like, have enough confidence. Yeah. That they're worthy.

But you know what? That happens on the other side, too. You know how many times I've felt like probably not worthy? Like, because at the end of the day, we don't get the relationship we want. We get the one we believe we deserve. Oh, yeah. So I'm sure in my life and my patterns, like, I've deserved, I feel like I've deserved, someone that's a little harder on me, someone that isn't quite as emotionally available.

Because, like, that's what I got. That was like my patterning from childhood with dad and, you know, and the way that I operated. So I got what I thought I deserved. Instead of just staying in my ground, I mean, like, you know what? This isn't working for me. I also went to that athlete mode of like, let me fix it. I think that's a little bit of an athlete mode maybe. Yeah.

Because you were constantly being told what to do. Like change this, do that, break later. Show up here. You're late. You're, you know, whatever. It's just your life's on a minute by minute. minute by minute and you're being told what to do all the instead of feedback always how to be better

right there's always how to be better it's not really like but just totally celebrating it's like nope back to work Monday yeah no not a lot of celebrating and I can only imagine at your level I mean I was a tiny little athlete with softball but I think it's helped a lot in business because I don't take much personally you know it's pretty easy to just go oh this isn't about me this is just the job we're doing yeah and so like we just make

these changes but in a relationship not the same So how do you get back into your feminine? Or how do you, I mean, you look very feminine, you look great, you got a little color on, you got a little skirt. But, you know, when you come in the door after a hard day running, bossing people around, yelling at people during an F1 race or something as you're broadcasting it, like do you walk in the door and you're like, yeah. So anyway, what we're doing today is we're going to go here and then your boys, you know, your boyfriend's there and you have to like break frame. Yeah. does that work? Yeah, I, I, I usually it's like, whoa, chill out or whoa, and I'm like, sorry, I'm still in the mode. So, like, even this week doing, recording a bunch of shows and like working,

it's like, I can stay in that go mode and it'll just like be a come down. Yeah. And even, but just having the awareness of it, just like anything are like, the awareness of something is with more than half the battle. It's the one that took the most time, like, and took me until I was this old to be able to realize, oh, I do this. Now, the actual changing of the pattern is a lot harder, but it's a lot shorter. But the awareness plays a role in and up itself. So just the awareness is like, oh, wait, I think I'm still in like work mode right now. Let me chill out. And so it just takes a little bit of time. It's like an energy. It's wound up and it's just got an energy, just got to chill. That's a really good point. Yeah, my therapist. I mean, oh, yeah. My therapist

said to go with your husband. Well, she said something that thought was fascinating. She's like, Most fights happen in transition moments. Fights don't typically happen during a continuous pattern. They happen in between coming home from work into the door. They happen leaving from the house to the airport. They happen from, you know, leaving a meeting and jumping into another meeting. She's like, fights happen in transitions. And I thought that seemed sort of true.

And so she said, when you know you're going to go through a transition and it's typically one of your trigger fight modes, just take a moment by yourself before you walk in the door before you come home. take a couple breaths. Like take off your shoes, get rid of the jacket, like drop the bag outside or something before you either walk in. Yeah. And then you walk in. You're right.

And so I think that makes a lot of sense. That would make sense. Walking back in the door after the race to the hotel room and being like, okay, I'm done. Right. Which is beautiful. And I think the one nice part about women working so much now, too, is men probably don't have as many conversations like that as women do with their therapists.

but it's the same thing. That's like the stereotype since the beginning of modern work is the man comes home. He's tired. You know, the woman wants something. He's in this other mode. And how do you change that? What do you think about this idea of, you know, trad wife and men not wanting a strong woman anymore? No, no about this?

You're on the internet. I thought this is. Okay, so trad wife. Let me school you. So apparently there's a new movement, kind of newish, but it's like, have you seen, I wish I could think of some of their names. It's an acronym? Traditional wife. But it's like these beautiful dressed women that are in like aprons and whatever kind of with makeup on, but they're in the kitchen and they're like cooking a meal.

But the whole time they're like, and now I'm making for my husband. Oh, yeah, those funny videos. Right. Yeah, yeah. And so the idea is like the traditional woman who doesn't work, who takes care of her husband, who makes sourd or bread from the garden. and, you know, takes care of the kid, yeah? And it's sort of maybe this pushback to girl bosses or whatever. Have you found that it's harder for you to date because you are a successful woman

and not like a trad wife? I've definitely thought about that, too. I mean, some of the stuff that we already said, yes. But I've also wondered, too, if some of it's a little about wanting a kid. Sometimes I've wondered that, too, of like just if that wasn't, like a driving force, there's like not a, not as much of an anchoring to like solidifying the relationship. Do you not want kids? I wouldn't say that. But I mean, while I was racing, it was not going to happen. So hard. I wonder sometimes if like that wasn't like an anchor to a relationship,

right? As being something, something that could play into it. I've heard that a man wants to like just he just wants somewhere where it's not hard. Like he just wants easy. And I guess if I'm looking at Yeah, in the most positive way, it's because, like, he's been at work. I agree. It's stressful. He, like, has the responsibility of, like, keeping the family, you know, afloat, you know, financial burden. Could be some of that, right? So he just kind of wants, like, just peace.

Like, I just don't want it to be hard. I'll say for me personally, I didn't really have an issue with, and I'm a pretty hardcore bitch. And I, like, I mean, I couldn't be with somebody who was probably a total wallflower because I'd walk all over him. But sometimes I think a lot of. of women today, if you're struggling to find somebody to be with, we have to be careful the stories that we tell ourselves.

Yeah. And so if you're out there saying, men are bad and they don't want a woman that works and, you know, you're never going to meet somebody because you're not this traditional stereotype, then that's probably going to be true. And simultaneously, if instead, you know, you tell yourself a different story, you might have a different outcome. I think our perception becomes our reality. Yeah.

I mean, you guys, as athletes, visualization is. incredibly important. Right? Totally. How does that actually work? How do you, how do you visualize? Do you still do that today? Oh, you know what you should do? Remember when we were talking and you were saying, I was explaining some stuff in finance and you were like, oh, fuck, I just blacked out with all of that. I wasn't listening at all because I was explaining some numbers. And I was saying to you that I feel the same way with directions. Like, I become an idiot. I'm lost and I immediately as somebody's telling me where to go, I black out. And you said something different happens. Yeah, to you.

I draw a picture in my head. Yeah. And I said with you, with numbers, you probably start to see like almost like a flowchart. You see like, you can see it. Yeah. Like the queen's gamut, right? Yeah. But she's like, right.

Right. Right. I see directions. Mm-hmm. I don't see numbers. Mm-hmm. At all. It's just numbers.

They just float out there and you just kind of wiggle them away. Yeah, that makes sense. Or throw them into the abyss. It's probably more accurate. So how do you, visualize that. Like, what is your actual process? Visualized, I mean, with racing itself, you'd just literally visualize perfect laps. Yeah. Literally put yourself inside of the car and you can watch yourself turning off and then you can watch yourself like apexing. You also imagine how it felt

and how you'd turn the wheel and you just visualize it all happening perfectly. Yeah. So you feel, how you feel what it looks like, anything else? Do you do like other sensory things? Is it smell, touch? No. Okay. And do you apply that today? Like, do you still do that? in your day to day in your business? You know, one of the most powerful ways to manifest is that way? And I just interviewed Joe again, speaking of Joe, just spends it, the other day. And I'm like, why do I do this every day? Because, like, I manifested something in two hours when I learned this the first time.

How do you do it? Yeah, what's the process? The way he teaches it is you think about whatever it is that you want. So in my example, that manifested in two hours. I wanted to go to Egypt. So you put an E, put a little bubble around it on piece of paper. On the other, on one side of it, you write a handful of reasons why.

Adventure, mystery, learning, like whatever your reasons why. And then on the other side of it, you write another handful of elevated emotions that you will feel having accomplished it. So you'd be like, you know, blah, blah. And you'd be, you know, joyful. You'd be humbled. And you write these emotions down. So then the meditation happens.

And then at the end of it, he's like, all right, you go to what is that you want and think about why. And then you go into the elevated emotions. And that is the part where you visualize. So I pictured myself looking at the pyramid, feeling this awe, overwhelmed, like actually feeling it. Because I'm looking at it now. I'm looking at it.

And I'm actually there. I've made it. and it's spectacular and I feel like elated and like like humbled and you get all the whole feeling and it becomes visceral like so some when you do it you might get cry you might laugh you might heart rate starts going up you might get warm start sweating whatever it is but but because you're actually in the experience and you're having a feeling you're charged up um you're now in the future you now are living in the future. It's happening. So you've anchored that reality, and then you just wait for it to come through. And so anyway, there's magic in two letting it go. There's definitely magic in letting it

go. So because I thought to myself, man, if it takes years to manifest this trip, because he was telling a story about one that he did and how long it took and it was, I don't know, it was like six months or like something like that. And I'm thinking, yeah, like, if this takes a couple of years to get the right trip. So I go to dinner and my girl taps me on the shoulder and she's like, hey, I heard you're interested in Egypt and I was like, that's wild. I was like, do you know what I wrote down? And she was like, huh? She's like, no.

She said, but this girl over here said you were talking about Egypt. She's like, there's a trip in February if you want to go, which is in a couple months. And I was like, fuck yeah, I want to go. And I looked across the table at dinner. And I said, Joe, two hours, two hours. What did he say? Just shit. Just nods.

Yeah. Interesting. Why don't you do it more often? That's a way to mount fast. I'm going to steal that. Visualizing and feeling. Yeah. It's the feeling that gets you into it because really marks it.

Like it just like, I mean, we can have it in a negative way too. So we can create positive and negative associations with emotion too. And that's what happens with the trauma where, you know, something happens and you feel it could be small, but you get this feeling of like maybe you were told as a kid like maybe you were singing in the car and, you know, your mom. was in a bad mood. And she was like, oh, you sound so horrible. Stop. And you're like, oh, we got it, right? And like, you never sang again. And because, but you, like, wanted to cry. Maybe you did. And so that's like a emotion marked in the moment that you're now stuck in. So the same thing can happen on the other side of it with positive emotions. It's called reminiscing, right? And it's like, you know, having a really positive memory where you look back and

like you're really happy about it. And you sort of, those are the ones that you rehash with people. So those are really positive emotions. It might be you, you know, when you were young, you went to, you know, you used to have a cabin and you guys would have bonfires every night. So every time you smell a bonfire, you're like, this takes me back to the cabin. And you're like, you know, you can put yourself in a different state. But it's that emotion that's the most important part. So even with manifesting, it's the emotion that really draws in that reality. If you guys like this podcast today, tell your mama, tell your friend, tell everybody you know that you need to share the pod.

Don't be greedy. Share the pod with the needy. Thank you guys for doing this. Also, if you feel like leaving a review, now it would be the time. Because the only way that we get more people listening to a little bit of truth in a world of nonsense is you. Thanks, guys. I've never seen myself as a girl driver. I'm just a driver. What do you mean by that? And do you still believe that? Yeah, I mean, the context matters a little bit, but I would say with intention of knowing what that means is that the car doesn't know the difference. The car doesn't know if it's a girl or a guy driving it. shouldn't matter, right? The potential is still there. So that's probably why. Was that hard to say back then? Did you get flack for that? Or do you get more flack for a statement like that today? Oh, I think if you say girl or boy, you get flack for it today no matter what. So I think we're in a really weird time where like, I don't know what you, but anytime I say male, female, girl, like I'm like, oh, wait, and then I usually follow it up with who cares because I believe there's

two genders. So suck it. then you're immediately canceled. Yeah, that's it. Canceled. And that's the end of me. Or people are tuning in. Yeah. Right.

I mean, controversy does get some, does get clicks too. But I think that, I don't think it's ever hard for me to say, to be honest. I'm just very comfortable with whatever my truth is. And I'm totally open to my truth changing. I'm a pretty open-minded person. And in fact, I love having my mind change because it means I've learned something. Yeah. I like that line about you.

That's rare. What about, it's super timely right now. Olympics just happened. Lots of controversy about men and women at the Olympics too. What do you think about men and women's sports? I got confused even with the boxing thing. All of a sudden, I'm like, what is a woman? And then I'm confused because I'm a woman.

And then there's some sexual disease, you know, some disease that they had. It was over my head. And I stick in my lane and finance half the time. But as a female that was an athlete, what do you think? I think there should be a pretty clear definition of man and woman or girl and boy, I think that, you know, you're biologically born a certain one way. You either have reproductive organs or you don't. Or, well, you can either be the one that carry a baby or you don't. There you go. And so I kind of think that's the differentiating factor. Maybe it's just like a matter

of language of girl, boy or male, female. Maybe there's like biological or birth gender or something like that, but there was one. So, and I think that, well, because obviously, like, I was girl in a guy's sport, but there are some true hormonal physiological reasons why men should not compete in women's sports when it comes to strength, when it comes to power, size, those things are really different. And when men have at least 10 times the testosterone that women do, which is something that helps building muscle mass and gives you size and mass and power, it's totally unfair. Like, it's not, it's not fair at all. So I don't agree. with it. I think we're in a super weird time. And I can't believe that they allow that stuff into the

Olympics. Yeah. I also think it's fascinating that we are taking up so much time in our society with that question. Yeah. It's like all the problems. Yeah. All the things we need to solve. All the obesity, the unhealth, the poverty, the difficulty, that's where we want to go. And so I do get sad that some of our greatest minds we have to spend time even talking about this. And yet simultaneously, I do think that words mean things, and we should be careful that we understand the words before we use them. So I think it's important. There are people like you that take a stance on either side, and I'm open to either. The other day I was at a conference, and it was a Latino conference, and I think the term Latinx, which I call Latinx, is the most ridiculous term of all

time. What does it mean? Right? Had you heard this one? I've never heard this. So essentially, Latino is an O on it, which is masculine in Spanish. Oh, O's are masculine and Latina. Right. And so they said that this was genderizing the word Latino. So they put an X on it. And I worked in Latin America for a long time, so I played a little gay where I asked all my peeps. So I was like, what is Latinx, Latinx, have you ever used this?

And they were like, the K? Like, Latin Ekes? Like, it doesn't even make sense in the vernacular. Exactly. And so I kind of said that at the crowd, and a young woman, you know, said that she identified as with Latin X, you know, and I'm happy to talk to you about it. And I was like, you know, I don't care what you call yourself. Just don't make me use a word that I shouldn't have to. Well, let's face it, we're not using man and woman and we're not, we're not doing it to degrade or devalue judge. We're using it as a descriptor. It's like, excuse me, sir. It's like, because like, what do I say?

Excuse me, brown-haired, tall person. It's like a descriptor. We're trying to get, you know, it's just makes, it makes functioning in society a little easier. And yet, where's you're making it hard. Or is you're making it complicated. Yeah. It's so, it's so not worth our time.

Yeah, I agree. It's not, and it seems like there's a clear answer. And I love, like, the hypocrisy of that people, what is it, like people that want, you know, people that want a female president also are not able to describe, tell you what a female is. Right. Like, there's also like goofy hypocrisies in there, too, that are just like, I don't know. It's like I feel like we're living in this very interesting time in society where things are becoming more and more polarized.

So there's, I think, just like more stupidity than ever, but also brilliance. And there's more beauty and joy and possibility out there and connection. and less than ever. Like, we're just living in this really weird time, and I don't know where it snaps back to or if it breaks apart and becomes something new, but it's a very interesting time. When you first started saying things like that publicly,

you're a, you know, broadcaster, you're on stages all the time. You know, then you go on Tucker Carlson, and that's highly divisive for some people. And did you get a lot of pushback talking about things? things like genders or politicians, and does that bother you at all? It doesn't bother me. It just shocks me. And so I try not to try to go into an area that I don't know too too much about.

I think it's okay to have opinions, right? Like to become an expert on something is one thing. But, you know, we were talking before just about, you know, you speaking out in various different things and, you know, how you find your group with that. It's like you can only really, the fail-safe way to do. it is to use your experience. It's to just say in my experience or what happened to me was because nobody can argue with that.

Nobody can argue with that at all. But when I think that, you know, when it comes to politics and speaking out and being a little bit more in that world, which is a world I totally stayed away from. I mean, look, when you go do events or you do speaking engagements or various different things, there's two things that are topics that you're not supposed to ever talk about. It says, like, topics do not talk about these topics. politics, religion. Like they always say just like stay away from those things.

So as an athlete, I just did my job and I didn't get in the middle of all that stuff. But last fall, last winter, I went to Amfest in Phoenix, which is a turning point event put on by Charlie Kirk. And it's all very red, white and blue, you know. It's all, you know, it's a lot of Republicans, a lot of right-leaning people speaking out. But it was, you know, the platform had various different people. everybody's talking about like psychology to religion to border control to like all kinds of various and obviously of course politicians Tucker was there and when I posted about it people like it's amazing that you can go to an event where it's about loving America and people think you're

radical and so I guess that's kind of where I'm like I almost got pissed off I was like y'all are crazy and so so I think that that's kind of what got me engaged and made me feel like a little bit more of a calling to speak out. I've also always wondered whether or not you, if there's a problem or an issue or something that you don't agree with, do you feed into it and try and speak your mind or have an opinion about it to try and change it

or let people know or educate or widen their potential horizon on what could be possible in the way that they think? Or are you actually just reinforcing and perpetuating that exact narrative that exists? Yep. Right? Are you keeping it alive with your attention? And so I've thought about that many times. Like, do I just go live my life and stay away from all this stuff and not give my opinion? It's an easier way. It's a more peaceful way in some ways. But I think that I just got to the point where being engaged on some level felt like a calling. And I feel comfortable to say things, you know, say more than I used to. It's definitely still an area that's a little weird coming from being an athlete to, like, have opinions about stuff like that. But... In communities across Canada, hourly Amazon employees earn an average of over $24.50 an hour. Employees also have the opportunity to grow their skills and their paycheck by enrolling in free skills training programs for in-demand fields like software development and information technology.

Learn more at aboutamazon.ca. Well, you're very respectful. I mean, I want to play this clip of you back in the day. getting, you know, you have some fans that were talking a little shit on the sidelines. And you walk over and, you know, here it is. Boo! No, I get that. That was. It was.

Sweetheart. Instead of taking the booing, I want to tell you, it's like, I do very best I can. Yes, you do. I mean, if you're a real fan, you know, that I'm not just like, you know, my job is to sign autographs, right? My job is to drive the car to tell the cheap what's going on. I don't appreciate the book, you know? I'm a person too. I have feelings. So when you boo me everything, I'm going. Okay? Please just be a lot of fans. I'll do everything I can. When I came from over here,

three cars over there. I only do so much. I have to get in the car. So these understand that and drove. All of ones too. And what I thought was interesting about this is that you even thought to one speak to them. So like what was going through your head at the time? Do you do that often? Was it like a one-off thing? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Going at like mothering fans or yelling at at fans or whatever, however you want to look at it, is for sure rare. And yeah, I was like, I think I was at Pocono and I was walking back from Pitt Road and I might have been after qualifying or something like that. Generally, always very busy. I mean, we're working. And so I'm walking back and I think people think that if you're on TV or on your phone or behind a railing

somehow that you're not real and you don't have feelings, but they said some smart-ass comment. and I was like, and I like rationally was like, all right, that is inappropriate. And like, I would just want to go tell them like, and I want to go, I'm going to go tell them how I feel about it, which was I walked over there. And I was like, look, that hurts my feelings. Like you think I don't know, I didn't hear you? Like, I have feelings too. I'm a person.

Like, you think that that doesn't hurt me at all. It does. It does. And like I feel like I did like a mothering act on them, right? I kind of just. You were very even, too. No cuss words. No raising of a voice.

Did they respond? Well, I think I got more flack from, I don't remember if I think maybe someone got it on video, obviously, obviously. Obviously, obviously. But yeah, I think anytime that you disrespect your fans, it just doesn't always go super well. Yeah. But again, that felt like a call, like a way to, I was trying to tell him you made me feel bad about myself. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Because. And also stop being a dick. being an absolute dick you know i kind of like that better i feel like next time how does your parents raise you did they raise you to yell at people from the sideline like you suck you're like you do it seriously i think about that who i mean at what point in time in your life did you did you evolve into being like the you suck person from the stands it's never even crossed my mind yeah ever and now there's a world of them on the internet oh god yeah right just all they don't even they don't walking around. I can't even go approach them. No, you can't. Half the time they have these

anonymous accounts. But I do think that it's a good point because I think a lot of times people don't realize that you screaming from the sidelines just means you're not in the game. Like if you don't like what in the arena. Right? If you don't like what Danica's doing, go show her off, you know, go be better. But I think they don't believe in themselves that much, which is why peanut galleries happen. So, you know, the way you treat someone says, the way the way that someone treats you says a lot more about them than it does you. And so if someone's an asshole to you, it doesn't mean if they're mean to you about something, it doesn't mean that you've done something wrong.

If there's the means of they're mean. Yeah. You know, it's talking about their insecurities. Anytime also somebody gets triggered, projects, it's coming from a wounded place. Because usually what we judge, we deny. So maybe they, maybe they were not allowed to, like, if their mom or dad wanted their attention, they had to, like, snap to it. maybe they, like, no matter what they had to respond.

And maybe they were taught, like, if it'd be respectful of this and like, you know, always put them first. And so then in this scenario where he's saying something, wanting attention from me and I don't do it and he says something, maybe it's because he was triggered into this sort of like pattern that he's in where it's like, I would have for sure come over and turned around. You should have. And then he got mad. Yeah, that's exactly right.

Yeah, I do think a lot of the trolling happens at the end of a should. And so, and should in your way. through life is just not a good idea. You, I often get asked this question. How do you function as a woman in a male dominated field? And I never really know the right way to answer that. I'm sure you've got to ask the same question. How do you answer it? That I've never been a guy, so I don't know how it is to be a guy. I don't know what it's, I don't know. I mean, how do you be a guy in a guy's world? That's good. What did they say back? Nothing. They can't say anything. Again, that's my experience, right? Like, you can't argue with that. I didn't tell you,

well, it's much more difficult and you don't believe in me. And I didn't say that because they might be like, no, I totally believe in you. So my experience is, I don't know. I don't know the difference. I've never been a guy. So you're asking me of the delta. I don't have any information on the delta. Yeah, no penis, no delta.

Nope. I want to talk a little bit about, you know, you have on your podcast all these different things you talk about. some of them manifesting like with Joe I listened to a few of them where you talk about health and now makes a lot of sense why you know you've kind of been really curious about how to fix health in particular you talked about some of another one of my girlfriends struggled with which was issues with breast implants what happened and now that you've talked to a bunch of people about this you've worked through this with your health health have you found this as common like a lot of women have issues with breast implants?

And how could you even tell if you have one or not? It's one of those things that I'll share this part too. Like there's a whole big obviously thing around vulnerability. And all of the most impactful things that I've done all, there's like a few moments where I like shared something I wasn't sure I was ready to share. It's like so breast implants was one of them because I never said I got them. I got them when I was racing. So I was like, this seems counterintuitive for an athlete.

and it shows them insecure about something. You know, like, I'm not trying to advertise that. Didn't you have cute bikini advertisements too? Sure, yeah. I remember seeing those bad boys. They look great. Yeah, they're very tasteful. And so, but then when I got them out and I had a positive,

like my body responded so positively so quickly, I felt this calling to tell people. Because I'd worked for like a year and a half so hard on figuring out what the hell was going on with me. And so I created this post and my mom was with me because she was there taking care of me. I didn't really need anything. I mean, honestly, like, I was at the grocery store. My surgery was at 2.30 in the afternoon.

And I was at the grocery store at like 7.30 in the morning with all the energy in the world. Like, all right, cool, with like drains hooked up to me. She was just. Anyway, so, but she was there. And I was like, mom, should I post this? And she was like, well, you should check and see if you should. And so it's like, send Haley, who's been with me for like 15 years. I'm like, so she's an MVP.

should I post about it? She's like, let's wait. And I was like, mom, should I post this? She's like, well, you're probably going to do it anyway. And I first sent it. I was like, okay. Yeah. Okay. And I was on Good Morning America six days later with my doctor, you know, telling people about it. So it's like when you share something that you're not sure you're ready to share is like there's some real magic in that vulnerability. And it resonates. with people. That's why it's like not always the best thing to always look like you have your shit together. Yeah, that's true. Put together and that you don't make mistakes and that you do everything right or that you always look right. Because there's no connection in that authenticity.

There's no fear that you're feared you're going to get judged, right? Yeah. Well, I think, yeah. And I think in that fear, there's like there's some alchemy. There's some like magic frequency that connects with people because we all get scared of things. And we're all super flawed. A ton of issues. I also think that's why, for instance, like somebody like Mel Robbins, I think she connects with a lot of women because she's really, it's all out there. She's super real. She's super real. She's really vulnerable. She's like, I'm kind of a mess and this way and this way. And I'm not taking, you know, I don't have a bunch of face paint on here. I'm just here. And I think in an age of endless filters and people only showing their highlights, that's really powerful to your point. I think there's as much of it as you can possibly do. I don't think. I'm even that good at it. I think that people have to have, um, you're not good at being vulnerable. Yeah. I'm very transparent, which I think is not vulnerable. Like, I'm just comfortable telling you anything. Yeah. Like I'm comfortable to talk about, which I'll tell you about the more about

the breast implants. Um, and what happened. But, uh, but I'm comfortable to talk about a lot of things. Um, talking about, you know, my life or, you know, personal interests or things I, you know, just various different things. I'm like pretty transparent. Relationships or whatever, right? But but I think vulnerability is that like I think I have a big scale for transparency and then the vulnerabilities over at the end and I'm like, I think I'm the same. But it might be because you're you're pretty tough. Like you're intense in a lot of ways. And so to find the thing that actually makes you vulnerable is that hard? Like is there not that much that actually is like Alex Honnold, the climber that he like, like think about how. bake his comfort zone is for climbing up a cliffside, right? Exactly. Like, not a lot phases him.

Right. Maybe. Maybe it's a practice thing. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. Might be true. I also think at some point there's like a little bit of vulnerability porn too,

where it's like, do we always have to show all, you know, I'm careful about showing too much on the internet from a pure vulnerability standpoint because I think a lot of people, then they use it. They kind of weaponize it. You know, it's like, have you ever followed the account? where they show their cellulite all the time. Like every photo is them with like a lot of cellulite. Or like Cidawadro like Dana, Mesa or some Dana something.

And she'll like show like how to pose correctly because to shoot work for a magazine. Yeah. She'll sew cellulite and things like that. But yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think there's like a little bit of like you can get addicted to the vulnerability porn of posting a lot too. So I think it's like. Addicted to the attention. Right.

Yeah. I think that's right. so real. Right, exactly. And so I think it is important, like how you determine what your public brand and persona is, whether it's in business or for a personal brand is so important because you can get trapped in it. You know, like you talked about you, you probably at some point where like, I swear to God, if somebody asks me about racing or says the word NASCAR, I'm going to murder on, like, did you get to that at some point? Well, at the end of my career, I was just like, how am I going to show up for these five to seven minute interviews where they ask me the same questions every time? You're like,

are excited to be at this drug, you're excited to be back at this drug, or excited to be back at this strike to the point where at the end of my career one time I said to the guy was like is that the best you can do like it was like a press conference to start the weekend off and I'm very excited to be back at kansas horse speedway I'm like is that really the best you could do make he did I was such a dick because it's so hard to ask questions like you asking me questions is way more much more challenging than me sitting over here with all the answers to or if I don't have it I say I don't know yeah well yeah it is true and it's hard to ask questions that one are interesting to you but two are interesting to the audience. Of course. There's like two things going on. Sure. Sure. When I was like when I was

talking to you and interviewing you, I'm thinking like, should I have been asking questions about like more general things? Should I not talked about being a CEO that much? Right. Like, you want to attract to a larger audience, but you don't know if you're always landing and resonating with people. So yeah. I just found you got to follow your curiosity. And usually if you go to the things that you're really curious on, you're way more interesting. Yeah. And we probably all have generally like similar stuff that we're. we're curious about. And that's where you can get the weird out. Otherwise, you know, you've all been on those interviews where the first thing they ask you is like, Danica, can you tell us a little bit

about your story? And you're like, I'd rather die. I mean, that's at least how I feel. No, how did you start out? How did you get into racing? Oh, just die. Yeah, 100%. Same thing. But recorder. Yeah, exactly. That would be a, then you'd get a lot of videos on the internet about you. Then be like, Danica's at it again. I want to talk a little bit. about opinion sharing. And I'm obsessing with this lately because I do think we're in a world increasingly where we need people to be able to communicate with one another and have a dialogue that is reasonable even if we disagree on a few things. And we're losing that in this country, it feels like it may be around the world. If we don't agree with somebody on every single point,

then they're bad, we're good. And you seem to have gotten really comfortable sharing your truth. What advice do you have for somebody who doesn't know how to do that with any grace? Share their truth? Yeah, and share their opinions. And maybe even do it in a way that's, I think a lot of people these days are comfortable sharing their opinions, but it's like shouting at people as opposed to opening up a dialogue. Because first question is what are you trying to accomplish? You know, do you have a goal? Or are you just shouting? If you're going to complain about something, you know, if you're going to complain about, you know, how your chicken came, but you're eating it anyway. Now you just complain to complain.

But if you actually want a new order or something different, like, go for it. So if you have a motivation, if you have a goal for the complaint, then, you know, it usually roots you in something somewhat more grounded instead of just like spitting off about whatever's like crossing your mind that day. And we have so many more platforms to speak your mind anywhere and everywhere. But I think that more than anything, it's that we're having such a hard time, we're having such a hard time listening to someone that doesn't have the same opinion. That's where you grow, right? That's where the open mind is like, okay, I don't agree with this, but I'm curious. Like, why do you think that? And then, oh, and then maybe you just at least understand because of something in their past or something they've

experiences, given them this sort of perspective. Or maybe you're like, wow, that's actually a really logical reason why. Maybe you're right about that to some degree. I think it's more about being able to have like really calm dialogues and a level of curiosity instead of just trying to prove yourself right yeah right instead of just trying to prove your right try to figure out what is right yeah do you want to be do you want to win or do you want to be right and i feel like a lot of time secondly people get lost there um you have had a few people in the podcast that were talking about some crazy shit that i was going through a good bad or otherwise i don't know because they're not my uh area but Like time travel or reptilians, I listened to this one.

I didn't know this was a thing. What do you do when people come on the podcast and you're like, whoa, I know nothing about that. And maybe I don't agree at all. You mean money? Yeah. Business. Oh, yeah, that's true. No, it's not that I know nothing about it.

Numbers are my, numbers are my challenge. I have a lot of business. I really disagree with. What do I really disagree with? No, like when you have somebody come on your podcast and they're talking about lizard people and you're not sure you agree with that, what do you do with that? Like, how do you know this? Yeah.

Like, who told you this? How did you figure this out? Yeah. Like, you're trying to understand the source. Mm-hmm. Right? That's, like, usually what you're trying to do when you're, when someone has something to say that's kind of crazy. Yeah.

You try and, like, dig deeper into the fact-checking of how they got their information. Yeah. Yeah. What's your favorite podcast that you've had that you're like, whoa, this is, this is wild. Oh, I mean, I've had quite a few of those crazy wild podcasts where we talk about aliens and lizard people and about Palladians and

being here on people being in Earth inner earth people even like going in a little bit more potential directions you know planet cataclysms that happened and how the Earth was formed and where it came from and various different things so I love the nature of reality so I also love to get

physicists on archaeologists people that are like you know digging literally metaphorically into where we came from because you know my dad gives me shit and he's like why are you trying to ask why are you asking questions you're not going to get the answer to him like you're never going to get the answer if you don't ask

right so you got to start continuing to like grow this thought bubble I think that it's Neil deGrasse Tyson when I interviewed him the first time I think he said you know all the information is this known circle and as soon as you as soon as you ask another question and get an answer outside of that

circle like the in the bubble becomes infinitely bigger like proportionately bigger, right? And so it's just like the potential questions and possibilities continue to grow and grow. So you have to ask the question, but also, you know, if we start to figure things out, then, or at least have a feeling about how it works, this is a game. Life is a game, even if it's not a game, and if we're real and like we're not the, we're not a simulation, it's still a game. We're still a way to play it. And I want to know how to play it so that I can make the most of it so that I can be the happiest, be the most successful, have the most experiences,

find the most amount of joy. Honestly, you know, learn the most amount of lessons. Like when I say the things that I'm grateful for, one of them is the lessons. Because that's where I am, that's why I got to where, that's what's put me here now. So, you know, learn how to play the game so I can do a good job. I love that. Have a great life. Have you ever read Shadow the Wind?

No. Do you like reading, like, fiction novels? You don't like reading at all? I read a little bit. I don't like reading. So the way it's getting your name is. I watch. I watch.

Lo's at YouTube. And then you talk to people about it. Yeah. Exactly. Verbal. Yeah. And then the way I can, the way I etch it and remember it. Yeah.

As I write it. So if I want to really remember it, then I can write it down and make notes. Uh-huh. And then I like really remember it. That's great. I think it's really important for people to learn all the different ways that other people can learn. There's so many stereotypes now about how you have to start your day, how you have to communicate, how you have to run a business.

Ryan Johnson, who I just interviewed the other days. I love Brian. I spent billions of dollars on his health, you know? Yeah. It's like his regiment is like... Oh, it's wild. Dude, I went into his house when I met him last and I... Do you one of his dinners?

No, I just interviewed him. Okay. And I walked into his house and I was like, oh, good. My socks are matching today. And he looked at me and he's like, why would your socks not be matching? I'm like, have you never not had matching socks? And he was like, why would I ever have matching socks? And I was just like, this is a crazy conversation.

I was like, you are exactly what I thought you would be, quite honestly. Yeah. And it makes so much sense. But I thought he was, he gets a lot of crazy shit on the internet. I thought he was lovely and present. Same thing. Very. And his life was kind of lovely.

I'm like, yeah, man, you get a world of hurt. Oh. He has like a little bit of sort of like a techie nerdiness to him. Of course. Because that's the world he came from. So there's like a little bit of that. But he's super like, I'm not going to say super normal because what he does. But he's very easy to talk to.

Very easy to talk to, very relatable. And like you said, very present. Yes, questions. So, yeah, I feel to be lovely, too. You had a video where I saw the most valuable lesson you've ever learned in your life that you talk to your dad about. Do you remember what that was? It's probably the one about, I feel like that's the one that I,

the Tom Bill you clip is the one that plays a lot, which is, I think, about looking forward. It's like, if you turn around and that's the way you go. So my dad would tell me when I was young and he'd be like, I don't want to see you turning around. Because in a go cart, you could, like, get up and you could turn around, and you could look at where the other go carts were to see what your gap was. And he would tell me not to ever do that because that's the direction you're going then. If you're thinking about what was behind you, that's where you're going.

And so I thought about that all the way through my career, even into, you know, all the way through NASCAR, where I'd be like, if I'd be looking in my mirror a lot, and then I'd commit myself to not looking in my mirror, just focusing on being as perfect as possible. And I'd say like for three laps, I'm just going to focus and inevitably look back and they're 10 car leaks back then. Wow. Like, so it's just a good metaphor for life to, it's kind of like boils down to having goals. Like you've got to have some goals, right? Because that's like the thing out there.

You don't have a goal where the, how do you even know where you're going to look? Like what to do next? Yeah. You know? What other advice have you gotten from your dad that's left a mark on you? The first one that comes in mind wasn't from my dad. I'm sure my dad sought me many other things, but it was my first like real boss, Bobby Rahal. And I was young and he said that he wanted to create a financial situation for himself

that allowed him to have the same kind of lifestyle after racing as he did during. I guess that would be assuming that he spends his money while he's racing and then when he's done if he has none left, you know, save. So he told me to save, but he all, but he said, don't spend all your money. But he started other businesses. So he got really into car dealerships and different things. So I always thought about that about a general infrastructure for my life, not just like a racing situation that would extend beyond my career and be something that I could lean into for other forms of revenue. I don't know if this is public, but what was the most you ever got paid for a sponsorship?

Did you ever get a big, giant check? So the sponsors usually went through the team. So, I mean, those were 30 million and things like that. Like, how many people on a team? They varied. I mean, an Indy car, I don't, I really don't know the exact numbers I'm going to guess. It's probably somewhere around because there's people at the shop that work and then there's people that travel. There's the pick.

In NASCAR, there's a separate pit crew that comes and does the tire changes. But in Indy car, I don't know, maybe they call it like 20 people per car maybe. And then in NASCAR, maybe it's 30, maybe more. Yeah. Because there's just a lot more turnover with cars and working on things. So, but teams are, yeah, the teams are. Yeah, the teams are big. You know, and then they have to have marketing people and PR people.

So you get a cut after all the expenses run through. No, I negotiate my deal with the team. Say, I go to the team. Yeah. And it's like, they have to make an offer of what they're willing to pay me, right? And it's like, oh, we're going to pay you $10. And I'm like, no. No.

No. And then they come back and they have to do it again. And you just like, it's a, you just get your salary. So you get a set dollar amount. I get a salary. And then you get a percentage of the total earnings. And then there'll be like a percentage of prize money. Yeah.

Okay. Did all sponsorships you ever got had to go through that? So it was like a little socialism in that. Except for, yeah. And that's car? Yeah. Yeah. And then you, and so if you're in the ad in the bikini looking hot, the team takes

a portion of that. Well, I mean, that's the ads happening because the sponsor's advertising with me. They're on the car. But it's not like they. So it's not just your money. See, the sponsor still is to spend money to run the ad, right? Yeah. There's the money for the sponsorship budget for the team, and then they have to have a marketing budget.

What about like that GoDaddy stage you were in? Yeah. So the only time I got the money directly to me was when I did my last two races in 2018 when I did Daytona 500 and the Indy 500. Yeah. I negotiated the deal with the team. I had the money and I negotiated with the team. Good for you. And I guess all along is probably how I should have done it, right?

Yeah. It's hard. Because I ended up suing my IndyCar team in the end because I was in a profit sharing arrangement with them. And they weren't providing data, like the information and the contracts and the numbers. And so, you know, I just trusted that they were going to. And in the end, I brought in tremendous amount of money that kept a lot of cars afloat. And they didn't pay me the way that they should have. Yeah. Well, you're not alone. What happened to me in my first couple jobs, I think, you know, if I learn one thing, it's that trust, but verify and contract. and like always have the ink signed. And the problem is when you're young,

you don't know what a good contractor or a bad one looks like. Like there's so much knowledge that you have to learn. I mean, none of us went to law school. So that's totally normal. But that's fascinating. Right. And that's why, you know, when I talked to you at first and I said, like, I have businesses, but I own all of them.

It's because I was, you know, so gun shy from doing this deal and getting bit that, that I just so much easier to not have to answer to anyone. or anyone answer to me. Like it was just, and that way, if I took the risk, it was my, my ass if it didn't work, but it was also my benefit. So would you go, do you have an agent now that you word with? I do have an agent. Okay. I went back and forth. I had an agent my whole career and then I didn't have an agent. Then I kind of got an agency and then I got rid of that agency. Then I ended up back at the same agency that I had for a long time. Isn't it weird how people on Hollywood that are agents all have an accent. Have you ever noticed that? They have like

a Hollywood speak. Maybe it's like a cadence. Yeah, they have a cadence. That's exactly what is it. But word cadence or a delivery. It might have to be, but there's like a, right. It's almost like a, so the teleprompter came on and I was reading. I'd be like, and so here we are tonight, Cody Sanchez. It's great to meet you. There's a cadence to the way that I'm talking to you right now because it keeps the listener entertained. So like there's probably like a Hollywood cadence.

That's right. That was a really good, I guess that is your job. But yeah, I literally, I got out of the phone with the one the other day. And I was like, why do you guys all kind of talk the same way? Also, it's like a yoga instructor. You know, you go to the yoga studio and they're like, eh. And then we are going here and what we are doing next. And if you talk to Sally, I bet she doesn't talk like that at all.

But, yeah, I do find Hollywood to be a fascinating place. So I'm sure you have many stories. Maybe that's where the reptiles actually came from for the podcast. You ever met one? A reptiles actually. Yeah. I think I met some aliens. I don't know if they were reptiles.

Really? Oh, yeah. Like night aliens? You just meet someone that's weird. Yeah. And like, and like just very oddball or I think Brian Johnson might be an alien. Oh, yeah. I wouldn't.

If he or Elon was an alien, I'd be like, yeah. Elon's probably, yeah. I mean, these people that are just, like, so unique and different. Bologi, have you met him? Who? Bologi. Stravasian. Brilliant.

Coinbase CTO. Different kind of alien. I'll ask him. But, yeah, I mean, or just people that, like, can look right through you. Yeah. You know, and you're like, whoa. Yeah. I did do, like, a tiny bit of plant medicine a few times.

Oh, yeah? Yeah, I know. And I did psilocybin and MDMA. Together. And then DMT. All together. Like over a few days. Okay.

The DMT, you just smoked. You just vaped it, smoked it, right? Right. Uh-huh. And then something where they blow this, like, ash up your nose. Yeah. What's that? Raffet.

Okay. Yeah, that one. I did not like that one. Yeah. I saw that being done to someone one time. And it was before I did ayahuasca. And they're like, well, you can do it. And Iwaska, too.

They were like, if you want to heighten. Not, they don't deliver like that. Yeah. Like if this feels like in service. or an honor to where you're at. And if you wanted to see a exact curve. If this is an alignment for you. And I was like, thanks.

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You're like, it's not cute. One of my girlfriends is like, I love that. Now I do it every morning in the sauna. I was like, you also are a reptile because that's normal. Every morning in the sauna like a psychopath. But what I did notice is some of these, some of the people, who I think have done a ton of plant medicine stuff. Like I have one guy who I love, Matthew, shout out.

But he, you look into his eyes, like, I don't know. Like, they're dark. I don't know what's happening in there. Well, dude, I've done two real ceremonies. Okay. Two years ago and four years ago. But I didn't do ayahuasca. Yours is probably more intense.

Two years ago, I did a big psilocybin. Yeah. Five grams, big journey. Yeah. There's an intentional journey. It was just me. Yeah. And then with a facilitator.

Yeah. And then two years before then I did ayahuasca. And that's it. And I've been. I've been integrating that shit for years. Same. Like, I can't even imagine how to be confused I'd be about what worked if, and what information I got if I was doing it, like, monthly, you know, or weekly, you know.

I mean, I've recreationally done psilocybin and things, but, like, not enough to, like, blast off into the universe in a big, big way. Sometimes you get a little insight. You're like, whoa, I think I see geometry in the air. You're like, you know, so you can see some cool stuff. But I've never met. aliens. I haven't met the aliens. I usually just see myself or people or scenarios. Yeah. But I think that it's, you know, and it's actually becoming a much more popular thing within, like,

big tech and like several about people. And dude, Austin, nobody drinks. Everybody's like, would you like a micro, I went to a party. Yeah. They were all sitting around a table. They had like a, they had a tray of options. I was like, it's five o'clock on Sunday. I'm fine. You know, I had to be placed in the next four hours. Exactly. Because you got to wait for it to kick in for half an hour and then laughs for about three hours and let you come down for a half an hour. So, no, I'm out. It's a whole night. Yeah. And then you also don't eat. Which is fine in a way. But then also you're kind of like, no, that's not healthy. And if you ate right before, it's like, well, then it's not going to work as well. It's like, you got to like carve out like half of a day. You do. And I think you have to have some respect to it, too. Well, I mean, there's definitely some perspective that you're really, you know, opening up a different realm. And so I think that, you know, it's a little less risky on a sort of recreational, smaller dose sort of scale. But I think that when you're doing the really big thing, big doses, I think that you really open yourself up to energy, different energy, spirit, energy. And without proper guidance or protection in those spaces, I think can be a little bit dangerous.

I think that's very true. Yeah, I won't got once, one of my times I got trapped in a PowerPoint, which tells you how fun I am at parties. I was like, how terrible is that? I know, everybody else is like, still siphon. Like, you go like, you're like, okay, it's 2.15 and then you go and then you look down, you think it's probably got to be 3 o'clock and it's like 224. And you're like, I've never leaving it going to last forever. I just had such a pleasure having you here. Thanks for being on the podcast.

This is really fun. Thank you so much. And thank you for helping educate me too. Oh, yeah. Well, tell me, so of all the things that you're doing right now, where should people go to support Danica or to learn more? I mean, you can learn about my personality through my podcasts and the people that I hear. It's a great podcast. Thanks. It's it covers a lot of bases for sure. And they're all very selfish interests of curiosities that I have. I make wine. So people like to drink wine. I make two different wines. As Somnium is an Epipaballey wine. Danica Rose is made in Provence, France. I also have a little candle company I started after a trip from Egypt with, you know, essential oils

that are meaningful for their locations and the house. What's that one called? Voyen. And what's the best website? Well, on my social, I do all my own Instagram stuff, but we have other platforms. Okay. So go do them, but they're there.

Danica Patrick, Instagram, link and bio for all the things. Okay. And if you comment on this podcast on YouTube, give away my new favorite candles from Danica to three of you guys that comment and tell us your favorite part of the episode.