Bigfoot Society - 1970's Iowa Bigfoot and Capturing Cryptids on Film | Unknown Midwest | Andrew Peterson

Episode Date: July 9, 2022

#136Andrew Peterson is a Iowa Filmmaker & Cinematographer with a passion for the strange and unknown. Marrying those two passions I’ve worked with the STM Crew and started a blog that’s restarting, Unknown Midwest.Episode Resources:http://www.unknownmidwest.com/Unknown Midwest on IG: https://www.instagram.com/unknownmidwest/_____________________________Join us over on Patreon! Get access to the audio from the Patreon. After Show with Andrew, a whole library of extended shows, exclusive merch like a membership card and stickers, watch me interview guests weekly live on video, a Patron-only Discord and more.https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyNOTE: I'm attending my first Bigfoot expedition this summer! Please pick up a Bigfoot Society shirt from my Etsy to help fund the gear I'll need to get.https://www.etsy.com/shop/BigfootSocietyContribute directly at the GoFundMe page for the expedition:https://www.gofundme.com/f/gear-needed-for-my-first-bigfoot-expeditionTune in every Saturday at 5 pm Central for new episodes of Bigfoot Society!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7QIG: https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Website: https://bit.ly/3jvKIm7Shop: https://etsy.me/3ptlubQiTunes: https://apple.co/3fmmhTCSpotify: https://spoti.fi/3vF1vIrFacebook: https://bit.ly/3b5XgMpFull links: https://bit.ly/bigfootlinksSmart Passive Income PodcastWeekly interviews, strategy, and advice for building your online business the smart way.Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the show

Shell v. Power Nitro Plus fuels every drive from the Pacific Coast Highway to the Sierra Peaks with a fuel like no other. It contains active coating ingredients that clean and protect for longer lasting engines. That means more protection with active ingredients for longer lasting engines. Shell v. Power Nitro Plus premium gasoline. Engine performance that lasts. Chances are you're not far from a Shell station. Find it using the Shell app. Formulation unique to shell.

Compared to minimum detergent gasoline with continuous use of Shell v. Power Nitro Plus and gasoline direct injection engines. Actual effects and benefits may vary. See shell.us slash more dash protection for more information. Aging is real, and so are the benefits of. New Vital Proteins collagen sparkling water, because around the age of 30, your body needs backup to keep your collagen up. So get your daily glow up, now in three fresh flavors,

strawberry blossom, lemon, lime, and blood orange. Improved skin health in as little as 30 days thanks to collagen peptides? Cheers to that. So you can stay vital, stay you. Visit VitalProtines.com to learn more and where to buy. These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose tree cure or preventants. any disease.

During Memorial Day at Lowe's, shop household must-haves for less. Save $80 on a charbroil performance series 4-burner grill to chef up something special. Plus, get up to 45% off select major appliances to keep things fresh. Our best lineup is here at Lowe's. Lowe's, We Help, You Save. Valid through 527, while supplies last. Selection varies by location. See Lowe's.com for details.

Visit your nearby Lowe's on West Pico Boulevard in Los Angeles. And it listened to me. It walked out of thicket. It turned around and looked at me. They looked up and in this tree, there was a monkey man. And the monkey man jumped down out of the tree. It started running away. And suddenly they're right in front of the car.

He slams on the brakes and manages to stop. He's skidding because it's not quite, you know, and grappling. And literally for about a second and a half, they just stood there because they don't know where to go and you tell them to panic. You know, like, there's nothing. their face is like switching. Welcome back to Bigfoot Society. This is your host, Jeremiah Byron.

Every week I talk to different people in the cryptozoology field. You never know who's going to be on next week. If you'd like to sponsor the show, head on over to patreon.com forward slash the Bigfoot Society. You get access to a ton of things there, including a close-knit cryptic community on Discord, where you can connect with like-minded cryptid researchers and enthusiasts, weekly bonus content,

ability to hang out with each week's guest after the main show, exclusive merch, and much, much more. This episode, I get to talk to a good friend, Mr. Andrew Peterson from Unknown Midwest. It's a great episode talking about all sorts of different Midwest cryptids, talking about Andrew's involvement with small town monsters as a filmmaker over the years. It's just a fun time. a good friend, Andrew and I and Matt, we're always going to the Van Meter Visitor Festival. So it's fun to have Andrew come on and chat about his passion project. Unknown Midwest, you're really going to enjoy this. So sit back, relax, and have a great time listening to Bigfoot Society podcast.

All right. All right, Bigfoot Society. We're back for another episode this time with my good friend, Mr. Andrew. Andrew Peterson from Unknown Midwest, and I do mean, I mean, whenever I say good friend or new friend, I always mean that, but like Andrew is actually like, I've worked with him in the trenches of the fruit stand, which we won't mention the name. And, you know, we've gone to the van meter visitor together, but I'm so glad to have you on, bud. How are you doing? I'm happy to be here. This has been a long time coming. I feel like it's years in the making and it's so fun to actually

be here. Oh man, I'm excited to chat. This is going to be so much fun. It's going to be the unknown Midwest Bigfoot Society variety hour that we've always wanted. It really will be. It will be. For the people that may not know if you're not

in the Patreon Discord, Andrew is an Iowa filmmaker and cinematographer with a passion for the strange and unknown and married these two passions together. He's worked with the STM crew. and also started a blog that's recently restarted, unknown Midwest.

So which, well, let's let's talk about that now. So the cool thing is I've shared some stories about the background of Bigfoot Society. But like there's some that I haven't shared about. And I feel like we need to kind of start there with the story about because your stuff really my stuff would not. be here without your stuff. Like, it's very weird. Yeah, I mean, I would say that, like, the thing is, like, you were a major part of us or me, whatever, however you want to put that.

Like, Unknown Midwest becoming a thing originally because, um, you also co-wrote. And I mean, we'll bring up some of your articles tonight. Like, it's true. It's really kind of cool, like, going back and looking, um, at the old website, um, as I rebuild a new one and go, wow, like, we wrote a lot of good stuff. And it was like we also left enough room for things to change in the future. And now it's time to change in the future. Exactly.

And I remember like even I was like, hey, Jeremiah, here's this article. And you're like, oh, I can't wait to put this up on my blog. Because it's like you get to repurpose the stuff that no one gets to see anymore because the website's been shut down. Yeah, that was really fun. Like I remember writing an article about the van meter visitor, which actually was linked to an astonishing legend's website. Yeah. which is pretty amazing it's awesome yeah yeah i mean that whole thing so i mean the the best part about our adventure together was yes we worked at a fruit store together right right um but the thing is like

i had left and i'd gone down to kansas city and i'd come back um i came back without a car though and you used to drive uver i did and i mean we always we always talked about the spooky stuff. Like, I remember giving you a ghost hunter's DVDs and you were like, oh,

I don't know if I want to watch these. I forgot about that. Yeah. But, um, yeah, I remember dropping those off and you're like, oh,

I don't really know if I'm going to watch these. And then you're like, uh, I got like one episode in and I'm good. And I'm just like, that's fine. Do your thing. Yeah.

Yeah. But relating to you being an Uber driver, I worked for a tech, like technology part of education agency. Yep. And, um, I would take Uber,

some days when I just didn't feel like getting on the bus and saving money to buy a car and all that kind of fun stuff. And lo and behold, it was you driving me home. It's wild. And I go, Jeremiah, I have a crazy idea. I kind of want to start a blog about all the spooky stuff we used to talk about. And we hadn't like, we hadn't like had a long conversation in a while. No.

But that 30 minute Uber ride back to my house was like perfect. And we just like kind of dove in everything. And you're like, oh, I really have this. I really want to get back into like. talking about Bigfoot, like I love it. I remember like my dad showing me all the stuff in search of. And I just love it. And I was like, dude, let's partner up. And then we'll just jam. And Undo Midwest was a great way for me to get into blogging and back into like a creative, like mindset. Because I had taken a couple years off just to kind of reset like what I wanted to do.

And I had a good friend at the same time that we started a blog about Des Moines. And that kind of, I had so much going on in this time of my life. That's right. I totally forgot about that, man. That's wild. You were also, I think, the first or second interview on our Des Moines blog. That's right. Yeah, I was.

Yeah. Because it was kind of like a Humans of New York meets like Des Moines and like talking about Midwestern like craters and just just people in general that made the city cool. Exactly. So I just remember being like, hey, a friend that's developing this website. and the person who's also helped me write this blog. I want to learn how to do this more. Can I,

can you help me, like, get the ground rolling with this? And then I transformed it. And I remember, um, I was like on a, on a podcast called Deviatus. I don't know if that's still around. Um, but it's changed its name.

Yeah, it was fun. I, like, went into like some like ghosts, like stories that I had from like my past and what kind of got me into it and like some personal experiences that were bonkers and still don't make sense. but it was it was cool because I remember hearing there was a there was a radio show and I cannot remember the name of it but it was Jason Hawes and then oh yeah he had a co-host and Seth Bredlove was on it yep and I remember DMed Seth on Instagram and he responded back and I was like oh I love the website I was like what you actually read this stuff and it was kind of a cool thing

because it was like meshing our two worlds And at the same time, I was also getting back into, like, taking photos and filmmaking and stuff. And, like, I always had a camera in my hand. So whether it was a phone or, like, an actual camera. Yep. So getting the chance to basically start doing the blog that we're doing for the city, making videos, Seth was like, hey, if you do this, like, come along and, like, let's go out to Bray Road and we'll, like, chat, shop and, you know, work together. So that's, it's kind of like how my evolution changed. but then like shortly after um i got back from like working on bray road for the day and a half that i was

there uh it was crazy because like my filmmaking journey kind of started like that week uh because i left filming with seth to go premiere a like a like a really experimental short film for a buddy's like poetry like contest okay and then literally like that week everyone was like that week everyone but it was like, hey, can you help me with this? Can you help me with this? And then it was like, I had to put a no Midwest to the side because I had to focus on my career. So, but looking back at those times, it was crazy because like we would, we would have like chats. Like we text and like just share all this crazy knowledge that we had. I think that was like kind of like even pre like Skin Walker Ranch.

And then like all of those things like we'd share like podcasts with each other. We'd share movies. We'd watch movies. Like Seth would send me a screener. And I'd be like, hey, you know. like watch this with me you know hypothetically that may have happened yeah it did I mean you know we like I

I definitely like you know invited you over and like watch if you could and like no it was awesome dude yeah it was a fun time because like we got to the thing is to me it's it's crazy seeing how the community's changed from when I started it was such a it was like such a niche thing

and it was like I don't know what the what you would really kind of call it but it was so like in the backgrounds that not a lot of people knew about it. Like the true crime thing was really big. Yep, yep. And the paranormal stuff just hadn't hit yet.

Right. And then all of a sudden it was just like, after I left, it just exploded. I was like, oh. It literally the stuff you were doing at that time was a few years too early. It's really weird how that worked out. But it is what it is. And we're getting back at it now. But it's crazy.

So first off, so I want to make sure that I had this thought, like, I wish you could almost figure out like the odds of us like of me getting you in an Uber which like crazy odds. Crazy odds for that to happen. But it affected so much. Also, so there's going to be a few people that are listening to this that are going to be really interested. So like you got to go up and work with Seth in Wisconsin for the Beast of Bray Road dock. So what was it exactly that you were able to help out with up there? So, I mean, my whole like adventure up there was just honestly to just meet them.

Okay. So Seth was like, hey, we're filming. You're like four or five hours away. You just want to come up and like hang out. So it was nice just because it's like I had listened to like sass what and I had listened to like his like his radio stuff. And it was kind of like Seth was doing something that I wanted to do eventually. And he was like basically working with all his buddies kind of like I was working with all my buddies in this blog, right? And it was kind of like one of those like real, recognized real type of situations where I was like, you were both like looking at these things in different lenses and we want to figure out what like the human side is.

We want to figure out how to like just basically share this with like a new audience or people, group of people that actually care and want to learn more about it. So basically it was just us hanging out. But when I got there, it was great because I got to meet like the like the OG kind of STM. Oh yeah. Totally. And it was really fun because like Santina was there. And then I'm trying to remember Brandon was there.

I know Jason was there. Yep. Yep. Zach, of course. But it was cool because it was like I had been doing a lot of like personal filmmaking and I'd worked with like some crews at that point. So it was just like the thing the day I was there they were interviewing the Oh, it was like the animal control officer and I don't remember his name right now.

Which is a crazy story. But it was fun because I got to go help them set up and like, you know, help them like figure out the lighting and all that kind of stuff. And just kind of just be a fly on the wall and kind of enjoy enjoy that moment. I think the funnest takeaway from that entire experience was like basically showing up. I think probably 10 or 11 at night. And I joked with somebody on this like after show a couple weeks ago that are actually just on Friday. Yeah. That Wisconsin is an extra special kind of dark.

Like once it hits night, there's no extra light in Wisconsin. Yep. It's just strange because they just don't have like streetlights like you have in Des Moines or even like in some rural like parts of Iowa where there's just like a good little street light. And it was like misty and dark. And then Seth's like, do you want to go check out the road? and I'm like, yeah, yeah. Totally. And I'm pretty sure I threw like an expletive in there because I was so excited.

And Mark Mattsky's like, oh, no, no, no, earmuffs. And I'm just like, oh, sorry. That's totally Mark thing to do. That's hilarious. Oh, I'm so sorry. I was way too excited. I didn't realize that, you know, Andy was like young Andy was like hanging out in the background. Oh, yeah, because Andy would have been so young at that time.

That's wild. Well, sorry. But anyway, um, kids got to grow up, you know. But it was cool. Like, we basically just drove down the road and they were talking about the day before that they had a deer that ran in front of their car and freaked them out. And I was like, dude, we're going to see something. Like, it was just like, we're all just to mess around with each other.

But it was just like, it was an extra kind of spooky kind of area to be on. Because, you know, like you read Linda Godfrey's book. You watch all the monster quest stuff. And you just expect this like road to just be like a terror like, like just haven, right? And it's just a road. And there's some trees. And there's a farmer too. Right.

And then there's like the Skinwalker Ranch in Wisconsin just to your left. Like there's all these kind of random things that are on that road, but it's just a small little unassuming road that just had some creepy stuff happen. So, but yeah, it was, it was a fun hangout. And then, of course, that kind of led to like Seth and I, I worked on UFOs with him, which was really fun. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. We'll be right back after these messages. And then Seth and I approached me with something. Which we kind of hint at, like, you being involved with, like, with terror in the skies.

And then there was supposed to be something else that happened. But it was super top secret. And I was the one who, like, kind of couldn't hold up my end of the bargain because I was so busy. And I just couldn't manage it. It is what it is, you know? So. But so many alternate universes out there, right? Yeah.

It always happens right before the whistle. There's a little voice that says, what if I mess up? What if I'm not ready? I see a whole highlight reel of everything I don't want to happen. Missed shots, turnovers, letting my team down. And for a second, there's doubt. But then, I realize I've done enough to be where I'm at. The early mornings, the extra reps, the days I wanted to quit and didn't.

So I smile. Self-doubt is natural, but my smile is a reminder that I'm resilient. To put more smiles out into the world, Colgate has supported female athletes for over 50 years with the Colgate Women's Games. The Colgate Women's Games is the nation's longest running indoor track and field series for girls and women. Colgate, your smile is your strength. On this episode of Plant Killers, we'll explore one nation's most notorious fruit and vegetable killer, bad dirt. What makes bad dirt so bad? The answer? The ingredients.

But fear not, true crime enthusiasts. This story has a happy ending. Miracle Grow organic raised bed and garden soil. It's made with quality organic ingredients from upcycled green waste like compost and aged bark. Unlike the other guys who can't say the same, looks like bad dirt's murdering days are over. Thanks to Miracle Grow. Join us next time on plant killers. It's said everything happens for a reason, but maybe everything happens for a recess.

Take noise-canceling headphones. Do they block hearing to heightened taste? that sound seems to show everything happens for a recess yeah i know what you're talking like it's all coming back to me now dude like look what i got right here so good that was such a fun shoot i think you've talked about it oh man i think you've talked about it on that on on this podcast before and i know i think step even brought it up with you but it was it was such a fun thing because um i it was it was it was it was it was kind of like one of the things I always wanted to do was like let's tell a story about something

native to Iowa and then we got to basically weave in with Chad Lewis and um uh Kevin oh no Kevin Lee Nelson Kevin Lee Nelson yeah and then Steve Ward was there as well to talk oh Steve Ward Steve Ward I felt so bad making Steve Ward climb up all those steps in that dingy old warehouse but um it was it was a really fun shoot because it was like I remember I remember Chad coming in and being like, whoa, this isn't like just some like podung production. Like you've got lights and stuff all set up and like we soundproof that whole warehouse. And I remember just being like, hey, Jeremiah, I know you just came to hang out. You're going to interview all these folks.

Thanks. And you were like, well, and I'm just like, yeah. Welcome to the crew. But that was a fun time. Like my buddy Tobias still talks about that to this day. He was like, you know, you remember when we interviewed all those like monster hunters? That was like, yeah, we need to do that again. So.

So it's that whole sit in, you're right, I have talked about this before, but it is, it's, this is interesting because it's a different viewpoint, you know, but,

uh, the whole thing where like, you know, I was there, I thought I was there to just kind of hang out. And then you were like, come up with questions and blah, blah,

which is literally like, if, if you had never done that, I would never have like fallen in love with interviewing and started Bigfoot society, would never have happened to, 100%. I mean, the thing is, like, I trusted you in that situation. I knew you'd be good. Like, you have a, you had a knowledge of what we were talking about. And it's like, I, um, I think one of the, one of the things that's hard about filmmaking, um, or people don't understand or like, like, like, people that are really good at it. For example, like, they can do like solo interviews or kind of do solo shooting or just, they're like another level of like, their brain can focus on so many different things. And right.

My thing was like I wasn't going to let Seth down by like letting a camera stop. Oh totally. Or like have the audio cut out or whatever else. And I was just like, I need someone to focus on this camera and this setup. Because we were shooting four cameras, which was overkill. It was wild, dude. And Seth, I think it was even like, you guys shot four cameras. And I was like, yeah, because I'm just extra.

I'm sorry. I have four cameras. I'm going to use all of them. Yeah. But the thing is it was like it worked because I didn't. I wanted to give them, I wanted to give Seth like a bunch of like cutting options. Exactly.

Because the thing is like when you shoot interviews, you have to like people say, um or ah, and like think about things and you have to cut away and like act like it never happened. But exactly. Anyway, the thing is like when I'm in my role,

it's like that's like my one thing that I'm focusing on like pure and simple. And being able to like focus on all the other like things that are happening. And then also ask intelligent interview questions and then follow up questions. And then also like hunt for those. thoughts is very tricky. And I was like, Jeremiah is really good about asking questions and he's is a really good listener. So I'm just going to ask him to do it. And I know he's going to say yes, because he loves Chad Lewis and he loves these guys. And the thing is, yeah, but the thing is like, you already had open communication with those guys too. And like, like, that's true. Yeah, that's true.

We did. It was, it was more comfortable for them to just respond to what your questions. And I think it came through in that film because they gave very, uh, thoughtful answers. and vice versa to the questions that you were asking. So yeah, I am glad that that kind of spurred maybe this on, but I think that's also just kind of your inert kind of person. Like you're curious and you know how to ask questions and you do a great job of interviewing. Thank you. Yeah, man.

I appreciate that, dude. And you would tell me if I, if I wasn't, which is something that I appreciate about you. You and Matt are very honest with your feedback. fruit. And that's how we grow, man. That's how we grow. Exactly. So before there's a certain point in this, I want to kind of reach into your unknown Midwest knowledge, but not quite yet. There's a few things I want to do before we get there. We kind of alluded to it already that you were also involved with STM with on the trail of UFOs. Would you be all right?

How was that experience for you? Because you were actually going out there. You were in the midst of it in West Virginia. We'll be right back. Hey, it's Pat Flynn here, host of the award-winning podcast, the Smart Passive Income Podcast, which was created to help you learn how to become an entrepreneur. And in the simplest way, too.

You know, entrepreneurship can be very difficult. I like to simplify things. And I interview people like Josh Hall and Shane and Jocelyn Sams and Maria Fela. Who are they? Well, there are people just like you. you, people who have taken action after listening to the show and have built a business that has changed their lives. And I'd love to share an episode with you that I think will inspire you to

get started to check out the link in the description or go to smartpassiveincome.com slash one-two to get inspired, get what you need to get started and change your life. You got this and thank you. It was insane. So the thing is like I love that experience. I think Seth kind of pushed me into boundaries that I didn't know that I could like, like, be a part of. And it was also like one of those things where it's like, I really enjoyed my trip. I wish that I would have like been a little bit more in shape.

Like I am now like, like, hustle around with like a bunch of equipment and stuff because like we were like, I felt super bad because I was having, I got hurt on a shoot like prior to going on this. And I had like some issues with my back and like Ziatica kind of like nerve thing. Yeah. Just don't live hefty.

heavy lights by yourself and then yeah anyway long story short we were hiking up a cliff and i'm like i'm zonk because my back's hurting i'm like just trying to like keep up and i'm just like i'm really sorry that i'm holding everybody up um but yeah it was fun because like Seth like set moves really quick and it's it's one of those things where you we jammed so much into those days that it was a it was a kind of a good filmmaking test for me to shoot documentaries and i loved every minute of it. It was it was just fast-paced and like pulling together all these awesome interviews and then it kind of all culminated with us going to like Dali Sads, which I, oh yeah, sure. I mean, you could probably see in the film. It's like,

it's like the true dark skyland, right? So it's super high elevation. We're like climbing over like crevices like, you know, jumping over like a couple foot gaps just to, you know, get to where we're going. and it was crazy because it was oh, Mothboy Matt was, we were there, he's there with Shannon. And they keep on like seeing these lights. And I'm just like, all right, I'll go hang out with them. Okay, okay.

And that's where like Shannon's like, oh, well, it's kind of like that light. And I just point my camera up and focus it up. And then you just see a little light just like, do, do, do, do, do, and then just points out. Oh, man. Yes, yes. which I it's really fun I don't know I think Seth said that something happened with that footage I don't I'm pretty sure it made it into the film but he was like trying to figure out what exactly we were talking about and he like did his best to kind of like show it because the the problem is we're shooting it's such a high sensitivity on that camera okay and it wasn't really true truly like it's not a night vision camera it can basically see the dark but it's not like a night vision like a astroscope right right so you can see it in the film like kind of like go across the screen and then just disappear um but it's it was crazy because like I wasn't expecting to like see anything weird and like I remember like we were looking at our uh I pulled up uh was it stars or uh the oh to see the planes and stuff yeah

yeah yeah yeah basically looking that and then the star map type stuff just to see there's a satellite and there was like no satellite in that area so you know like my rational brain's like okay that was just a plane and then it was like planes just don't disappear it was just like I was shooting we were like shooting that light because in honesty we were just trying to capture like something that was moving and like something that could have been what they saw because we weren't sure if it was a plane or not because it was kind of blinking in a weird way but it just vanished right in the middle of like right in the middle of the picture just disappears and it was kind of cool like reliving that moment like watching the film because I kind of like I was like I'm not no scientist but that was weird you know like it's it's it was really funny like re seeing that and just relive in that moment because it was really strange. Like we don't know what it was. Could it be like it's probably not a UFO,

but it was still definitely something super strange that like. Yeah. I mean, I guess it could, it's technically a UFO. You don't know what it is and it's flying. That's true. It checks out.

It technically has the definition. Right. Yeah. I heard there is some, I mean, there are some weird stuff that happened in that, that shoot. Because I saw,

I remember seeing the behind the scene stuff. Because it's in, uh, STM squad. If you go far enough back on the community tab. and it's pretty interesting stuff. Well, the place that I, so I think you had commented on, um, some photos of them, like, doing their retreat like this week.

That's the same place. That was the same. So that was the, uh, the church camp. Yeah, same Airbnb church camp, or wherever we're going to call it. We stayed for, um, did you like the, like, if you watch that movie, that's where you did like the fire pit, um, interviews and whatnot. Um, but that place is crazy because I cannot think of the guy's name. I was going to rewatch this last night just to pull the,

this guy's name out, but he was a naturalist. So basically that scene is, oh, go ahead. Was it? Is it Purdue? Might be. I, I'm kind of a shame that I don't remember. That's all right. That's all right. But yeah, it's basically there's a guy on a leather jacket and then this guy is a naturalist. Oh, it's Ron Lanham and Joe Purdue.

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's right. That's totally it. But it was great because, like, so we went off into the woods because, like, I'm with bigfoot guys. Like, they got to go. they got to go check for squatch, right? So it was definitely interesting because, like,

we're walking around with like EMF meters and like kind of, it's almost like a ghost hunt. Yeah. That's where, uh, like, I don't know if it made it to the SDM, the squad thing, but like, uh,

Seth with like the Civil War soldiers thing. I don't know if that made it. Maybe that's a deep plug. He was, he's like requesting Civil War soldiers to come out and show themselves. Oh, snap. Because, you know, you know, we're in West Virginia, but I'm pretty sure that made us the SDM squad.

It was a funny moment, but the thing is, like, while that was happening, though, like, we're walking through, like, a dip in the forest and, like, EMF meters kind of doing some weird things, which it's kind of cool that, like, you're bringing ghost hunting equipment out to, like, a Bigfoot hunt, which that was kind of an interesting kind of parallel to me. It's, like, that's smart. You know, if you see something spooky or see some lights, maybe it'll, it'll change some EMF fields. And then you can actually capture some data on that. But that was cool because, like, you get to go out in the, like, the forest of those guys. and then, you know, there's weird sounds. I think it's really hard for people that are not used to being in the woods a lot to get, like, acquainted with it. Because, for example, like, when we first got there and you get out of the car and you've been in a car for hours and then on an airplane and everything else, right?

Like a squirrel sounds massive in the woods because your brain is like clicking back in a caveman era and you're like, oh my God, what's going to get me in? It's a squirrel or it's a chicken. Like it's like yeah so it's but the thing is especially at night because your brain is like hyper hyper focused on everything. So any sound like just becomes amplified in an interesting way. And I remember when I was so I went to school in South Carolina and I was in Civil Air Patrol. We did like search rescue training. That stuff is really helpful like your brain like clicking into those kind of like survival modes or like hyper focus modes are really important. if you like harness those well it like makes you very adapt to the woods so like hey if you're like

hunting for a person who might have like been in a plane crash or like missing in the woods those little cracks in the woods can maybe alert you like where to go or you know to find something so it's it's it's very it was really interesting hanging out with those guys because they're used to being out in the woods at night like looking for squash and then you know they hear tree knock and they're like well do you hear that and we're like yeah that was really weird like what's going on and then you know we we walk back to the cabin and we have a nice little discussion about like basically the woods and like what saskatch could be and like all these deep conversations that you know kind of pop up when you're out in the woods and like

looking for weird stuff so it wasn't just it was definitely a very fun experience for me because it wasn't just UFOs and it wasn't just aliens it wasn't just like Andred cold like right it wasn't all the honestly stopping at the stop the spot where Derenberger met Ender Cold was really cool oh that would have been awesome yeah you know it's just it's all those kind of elements that kind of come together just to you know it left a really good impression on me so it was really fun hanging out hanging out of those guys i wish i could do it again i'll be honest they yeah well i mean i remember you were you were you were so pumped about that whole situation that was very very cool and i was

i was happy that you were able to to go out there i have a question or so that is off script so get ready. But recently in my episodes, I've wanted to put things in where the guest gives really specific advice because there are people listening to this that are just wanting probably to get into what you're doing, which is using your talents as a filmmaker and maybe making films based on, you know, cryptids, legends, stuff like that, potentially. stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. We'll be right back after these messages. So do you have any advice to filmmakers just starting out or maybe, you know, people that don't have the amazing camera that you have, but they do have an iPhone, you know, or something like that.

Anything like that. I think, I think when it, where it comes down to, well, if I just breaking down like where I started and where I'm where I'm at now, I think the main thing. I think the main thing is, I would say A, be a good listener because the thing is like you can learn a lot from people around you. You can also learn a lot just from like communities in a way. So like finding like probably like finding a community is like the biggest part, right? Sure. Because I wouldn't be where I'm at if I didn't just like send a couple texts or DMs or be like, hey, let me let me work for free. Let me, I mean, I'll hold drinks.

I just want to like see how this works. Yep. And that's how I met, met and, uh, work with like one of my good cinematographer, uh, good cinematographer friends, uh, Bruce James Bales. Like, it's crazy that I went from, it was crazy because I think he actually hit me up first and was like, hey, I really want to work with you and like, just hold drinks. And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. But, uh, I want to do that for you because you're way more advanced than I am. I'm just doing my best to like make cool stuff. Um, and then, you know, you know, postmark, you know, six, seven years later and like, I'm directing a film and he's the one shooting it for me.

So it's just those kind of things. I think to me it's like just listen. It always happens right before the whistle. There's a little voice that says, what if I mess up? What if I'm not ready? I see a whole highlight reel of everything I don't want to happen. Missed shots, turnovers, letting my team down.

And for a second, there's doubt. But then I realize I've done enough to be where I'm at. The early mornings, the extra reps, the days I wanted to quit and didn't. So, I smile. Self-doubt is natural, but my smile is a reminder that I'm resilient. To put more smiles out into the world, Colgate has supported female athletes for over 50 years with the Colgate Women's Games. The Colgate Women's Games is the nation's longest running indoor track and field series for girls and women. Colgate, your smile is your strength.

On this episode of plant killers, we'll explore one nation's most notorious fruit and vegetable killer, bad dirt. What makes bad dirt so bad? The answer? The ingredients. But fear not true crime enthusiasts. This story has a happy ending. Miracle Grow organic raised bed and garden soil. It's made with quality organic ingredients from upcycled green waste like compost and aged bark. Unlike the other guys who can't say the same, looks like bad dirt's murdering days are over. Thanks to Miracle Grow. Join us next time on Planned. It said everything happens for a reason, but maybe everything happens for a reases. Take noise cancelling headphones. Do they block hearing to heighten taste? Hmm. That sound seems to show. Everything happens for a reesis. Have some humility, like be humble.

Don't try too much at once. And then just try to find some like-minded people that just want to do cool stuff. And then just at the end of the day, just like listen to what everybody's doing and then just keep going. Yeah. I agree. Community is number one, dude. And like you get yourselves in a community of like minded people. And then the connection start in that and then the stuff starts getting created out of that community.

That's when like the magic starts happening. So 100%. The work doesn't really feel like work. It's just like you hanging out with your friends and then you made something really cool. Exactly. So, dude. I love it. That is really, really good advice.

let's talk about so we are we are going to talk about some some cool cases about are you comfortable with talking about your your plans for the future with films at this time perhaps yeah yeah sure I mean the thing is like so because I was bringing back on non Midwest yeah one of the things I wanted to do was I wanted to try and do I didn't want to do documentary stuff because I think there's already there's already great people doing documentary work and that's not my place. Like I come from a land of like narrative film where we get to tell stories basically through cinema, right? So we just finished. I just finished my my first written and directed film, which honestly maybe I'll give it to your Discord guys first so they can tear me apart.

Oh, that, Jude, you know they would be all about it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you should do it. We'll talk about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I would love, the thing is that this is this, this, your community is one of those communities where I'd be like, hey, tell me what, tell me how you feel about this. Because I feel like they're, A, they're very open.

They're very grateful people join his Patreon. Anyway. Thank you. Yeah. No, they're great. But when it comes down to like unknown Midwest and what I want to do is like, since I, I have so many narrative filmmakers and I've met so many great actors. I'd like to try to spend a couple weekends or however long it takes to actually try and retell some stories.

And I may or may not have sent you a script. And I think between you and our buddy Matt, I was really excited about how you guys felt about it. It was awesome. So that, right now I'm having some trouble with locations. But the thing is the goal that we have in mind is to shoot this short in August. Okay. We're going to try to do it as, well, A, it's going to be at least period accurate. The issue we're kind of coming down to is rule homes of, say, the 1970s are a little bit hard to find.

Oh, interesting. And it's also not like you want to tell somebody like, hey, you got a crusty house. Can I shoot a movie here? I really like it. So it's, you know, like, for example, like we, I work for a studio in Iowa. Right. named Studio Iowa. Great name.

So the, we also, I also have connections through produce, produce Iowa as well. So, I mean, we've sent off a couple of emails to them, like, looking for locations to shoot. Oh, wow. That's cool. Now, the thing is, of course, this isn't an Iowa legend. it's an Enfield, Indiana. Or Enfield, Illinois, as it were. Oh, crap, did I say that wrong?

Is it? Is it Illinois? I thought it was Indiana. Well, you know what? Absolutely. Oh, no. I've said stuff on here. You wouldn't believe that I've cut out.

Wink. Yeah. Well, I definitely looked at my notes for something else, and I probably read the wrong state. But anyway, yeah, the main crux of that's going to be taking place in Enfield, which A.K.A. means the Enfield horror. Exactly. So, I mean, not to give away too much, but the main crux of the story is going to be told by Henry McDaniel, Henry Jr. and Lil.

And of course, we'll start with basically the good old kid getting the shoes attacked. So it's going to be really fun filming that. Everybody on my crew that I've kind of shared it with. And then external crews are like, yeah, we need to do this because it's just. And then you tell him like, oh, yeah, this actually happened. and they're like, no, it didn't. And I was like, yeah, read this, listen to this. So it's been really kind of fun.

And the thing is, like, I feel like I always like read people, like Henry McDaniel's, like, citing report and goes, I'm just going to read it because I just love it. It goes, it had three legs, a short body, two little short arms and two pink flashlight eyes. It stood four to a half feet tall, was grayish in color, and it tried to get in the house. like that's a movie pitch as it is right there like that's all you have to tell people they're like yeah i need to see that so oh yeah it's crazy like going through um that lore especially with edfield because i don't think we're going to get quite as deep as like the guys like rick rainbow which was like the radio dj in town that and good old cocombeau that was like huh i'm gonna go out and

try to hunt this beast and rick rainbow yeah could you like i just like rick rainbow in the morning get the let out you know yeah so i i love i love that because the thing is like our favorite i mean one of my favorite people uh lauren coleman shows up into that it's um wild yeah so it's it's a great story like basically um i need there's somebody out there that has this issue of fate but there's an issue of fate where um it's john keel um and uh Lauren Coleman I guess that's not Colm Keller. That's not the right name. But there's another,

there's another guy in there. Yeah, Colm Calahard didn't go back in the past just to write something about Enfield. But I cannot think of the guy's name. But anyway, I'm, you know,

it's late. Not a hard full day. Exactly. The two, like basically having John Keel and Lauren Coleman write something about this. I think it was like Swamp Slavs, invade Illinois or something like that. I need to find that article because I just want to read it

and kind of see what they say about it. I mean, I know Lauren Colbs, and like went in supposedly like heard the sounds which were like cat hissing kind of yells and then they were supposedly recorded um and i've had i've asked somebody to ask Lauren Coleman about those tapes and he's like I can't find them oh no yeah so he's got a huge he's got a huge inventory of stuff like I'm not expecting him to find a cassette from the 70s but it would be so cool to hear that sound right and the crazy thing is like I mean I know people have asked uh like call the radio station be like hey do you have this recording and they're like yeah we don't have it sorry bud go so i think the the main crux of what we're going to do is just try to like put people in those scenarios um so and just kind of see what happens like it's it'll be a fun it'll be a fun adventure for us just because it's you know like we don't have like hollywood budgets

you know it's basically still like indie filmmaking but it's um we're just trying to do something a little bit different. And I think telling those kind of stories and just like, you know, posting them on YouTube or wherever they're going to end up living, is this going to be kind of fun? Because I think, I think in the bite-sized short film kind of narrative realm,

like sharing those kind of stories and giving them like a good polished look is something that people can share and be like, whoa, do you see this kind of thing? And then like, who knows? I would love to do a couple more than just Enfield. Like we've talked about, I mean, I shot footage of the Van Meter Visitor Fest last year.

It showed a lot of footage. And it was awesome. So, I mean, that would be, it would be great to do like a micro doc about van meter, just for van meter. Yeah, that would be really cool. So there's, there's things that I want to do in my, with my skill set, my ability. Mm-hmm. And the thing is, like, we talked about the, the van meter thing being not really just about the monster, but all the people that are.

Oh, yeah. Keeping the monster alive. Right. Yeah. So. Which is a really cool take on it. And I liked how you had you had brought that up. Yeah.

So I mean, that's, that's, that's on, that's on the, like the short list, I put that way. Like, Enfield's going to get done in August. Like, I know it's going to get done in August. And, like, that's awesome. Even if we have to kind of cut a couple corners just to make, like, kind of lose a little bit of, like, the reality. Like, if they, if they end up living in a little bit nicer house, it's still 70s, like, era, like, I would rather at least get the, get the emotion out. and share that story and then maybe revisit it

once we actually have a crazy budget and can actually tell the full story but I think to me it's like I kind of want to go whiplash with it like if I get some people excited about it like please give me a budget and I'll tell the whole story. That's my.

Oh yeah that would be cool dude. Dude totally. The thing about this community is like if someone wants to make something really cool yeah. Oh, the Tom Slicks will come out of the woodwork work my friend and they will be people you would not you would not like imagine because like they're amazing they're amazing people and like the passion for the cryptozoology community yeah is deep

dude it's awesome i i think the when i look at things like infield there's like one of my favorite parts is like the sheriff like sheriff bischard because he is he is like i'm not taking this in my small town like because it's like you better stop talking about them great Because like I'm not putting up with that. So it's it's it's you have like this you have so many different little storylines. And then you have of course like the events themselves like one of the big things with a good old Mr. Rainbow is the fact that he saw a creature that was like hairy, right? Which then like equates to like other like cryptozoology things because you know like there's like,

what are they like devil apes or devil monkeys? You know, there's phantom kangaroos which this thing could have been like like there's. There's all these different angles that it could go. And, you know, it's crazy. Because, like, there's even, there was even another case in Mount Vernon, which is in that kind of same similar area. I think it's a couple, like, maybe like 40, 50 miles away. Where back in the 30s, they had people seeing, like, like a baboon type creature.

Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so I, it's interesting because you have, like, ape encounters and, like, that animal's not supposed to be here. What's that animal doing here? So like, whether it be like a phantom kangaroo or like a devil monkey or something that's just like, there's, there's fun stories to be flushed out. And I think putting them in a different, viewing pattern might enlighten people to kind of research and keep those kind of stories alive.

Otherwise, they're just going to go away. Dude, the Midwest is totally unknown once you get. Like, we get a lot of people like, oh yeah, Midwest, lame. But like when you look into it, there is weird stuff out here, man. And like the Little Egypt, Southern Illinois. Yeah. Great example. I remember the year of the festival when they were talking about the Skinwalker Ranch of the Missouri. Yes.

Oh my goodness. And that's just starting to come out now. A few years later, people are actually talking about it on podcast. I think it was like the code name is like Marley Woods, something like that. Yeah, Marley Woods is weird, man. I've heard about it and I've kind of, I need to like start like, not researching, but like reading up on it and kind of see what that kind of leads. But it's the same kind of thing with like Bray Road.

Like you have a very, you have some really weird like I don't know if they're window areas or how you really want to equate them. I think so. There's some weird stuff. And there's a lot of things that like connect. Like I'm not embarrassed to say that I've probably watched Hellyer like six or seven times like all the way through. That's amazing. I love it.

I think the thing is I think more people need. It's good stuff. It is good stuff. And I think the first time people watch it, they're like, they just saw a tin can and they're making the stuff up. It's like no, no, no, no, no, no. Read, like, read what they're talking about or, like, actually, like, listen to what they're saying. And it's like, I think people think that they jump to conclusions too many times, but the thing is what they're trying to really tell you is, like, this is what it's really like being in, like, a paranormal event or a, uh, just kind of going down a rabbit hole of like kind of weird synchronicities because they all kind of lead to one thing, right?

so for example i i remember listening to a podcast about um the lovelin frog uh yeah and they were talking about of course you know it like smells of like um almonds and alfalfa and is green and has like a has like a cape and like a wand well then you watch hell year and like one of the things from hell year is like oh we saw this thing with a cape and a wand oh yeah you know and it's just like okay well like that's ohio that's kentucky and there's like all these things that connect right so yeah i think the thing is once if you people have to be a little bit more open to what what possibilities there are out there because a lot of times if it's and it was pointed out in hell year and i kind of really believe it is if like bigfoot people talk to like ghost hunters and ghost hunters talk to guys

that are like looking into UFOs they're going to be surprised how many like parallels and things that actually connect it's kind of like the guys in west virginia taking an emmf detector looking for Bigfoot. Exactly. It's like there's a lot of, there's a lot of room for people just to communicate. And that was kind of one of my original goals with Unknow Midwest back in the day was, let's build a community and just talk about the stuff. Exactly.

And let's just talk about everything because something has to connect, right? So, yeah. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. We'll be right back after these messages. Yeah, dude. It's not just like, I mean, Midwest has weird stuff in it. Like, you can like, and you can get really specific. Like you can just look into Iowa.

Oh, yeah. And there's like wild stuff. Like if you look in Weatherly's new book. Yeah. This one. Hey. Super good. My goodness.

Well, it's like the thing is too with like Iowa you've, I mean, we talk about you writing articles back in the day. Like you wrote a big, a big foot article for unknown Midwest back in the day on Lockridge, Iowa. Yeah, dude. Oh, man. So, I mean, you have like some hairy creature like basically walking up into a farm and just kind of wreaking some havoc and then the people have no idea what's going on. So it's that kind of stuff. I mean, yeah, that KGGO interview with a gentleman from New York that's looking into like,

It always happens right before the whistle. There's a little voice that says, what if I mess up? What if I'm not ready? I see a whole highlight reel of everything I don't want to happen. Missed shots, turnovers, letting my team down. And for a second, there's doubt. But then, I realize I've done enough to be where I'm at. The early mornings, the extra reps, the days I wanted to quit and didn't.

So, I smile. Self-doubt is natural, but my smile is a reminder that I'm resilient. To put more smiles out into the world, Colgate has supported female athletes for over 50 years with the Colgate Women's Games. The Colgate Women's Games is the nation's longest running indoor track and field series for girls and women. Colgate, your smile is your strength. On this episode of plant killers, we'll explore one nation's most notorious fruit and vegetable killer, bad dirt.

What makes bad dirt so bad? The answer? The ingredients. But fear not true crime enthusiasts. This story has a happy ending. Miracle grow organic raised bed and garden soil. It's made with quality organic ingredients from upcycled green waste like compost and aged bark. Unlike the other guys who can't say the same.

Looks like Bad Dirt's murdering days are over. Thanks to Miracle Grow. Join us next time on plant killers. They say everything happens for a reason, but I suspect everything happens for a Reese's. Like this commercial break. Did you need 15 seconds away from music or 15 seconds to eat or Reese's? Perhaps it's true. Everything happens for a Reese's.

Bigfoot stuff in Iowa. Well, he saw my... Well, yeah. You're trendsetter, bud. You're easier. So he saw my TikTok, like, because he's the guy who did the Squatch, Iowa documentary. Yeah, I have not seen that yet, but I have either, but yeah, I mean, I've got so much stuff. I think we were discussing this before. Like, I've got so much stuff to, like, catch up on.

And that list is only getting longer. And I'm going to be old and gray by the time I finish it. And then it's going to be 20, 2025. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, the Lockridge, Lockridge Monster is weird because it's like, if you start digging in. into that whole area of Jefferson County, Iowa, which is like east of Des Moines, Central Iowa. Dude, there's lots of weird Iowa 70s reports, stuff that is documented, and I'll say stuff that is not documented in paper form, and I have to leave it there.

But, dude, and I don't think it's, I know Weatherly, Weatherly does, like, do an amazing job, like 80 pages of Bigfoot reports, but like the Jefferson County Bigfoot area, there's like a Bigfoot 70s flap or something, it's wild. The thing that I thought was interesting too, and I remember reading your article back in the day,

that it wasn't like super tall. It was like five feet. Yes, exactly. So it's like, okay, well, if it's five feet and you get a couple of those, like maybe things that have adapted to like a Midwestern climate, right? Those are just going to hide the corner all day long. Like, you're never going to see them.

Um, because I mean, the thing is like, I mean, I'm, I'm five nine. And I think even the photo you shared with me like in the cornfield, like, right? It's just arcing over me. Like you just disappear. And the thing is, it's also like, it's weird. Like if you get into corn sometimes, it kind of just like holds sounds. So it gets extra creepy. Like, but yeah, I mean, the thing is if something adapts to like migrating or, um, vice versa, like, yeah, you could hide a creature like that.

And they have food. Oh, yeah. So, yeah. Shannon has at least one episode way back where it's her talking to, I believe it's an interview with someone from Southern Iowa somewhere about Bigfoot reports of them in Cornfield. And it's some creepy stuff, dude. Definitely worth another listen. Right.

I need to check that out. Like Shannon does a great job. I remember when like back of the day, like it was, I would listen to Into the Fray, Beyond Reality Radio, which is the show that I couldn't think of earlier. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. right and then like i think the kryptonaut guys started around that same time so it was really kind of there's a lot of things that were like feeding my interests and um you know it's one of those things you hear somebody talk about that kind of stuff on a podcast and like well wait where else does this

go from here and then you start reading um i think the thing is like my goal is like there's so much stuff in print format like i said like in old fate magazines or um just books for example like i don't think enough people maybe read enough books it's just like oh if it's not on google it doesn't exist it's like no someone wrote about this in the 50s and it's makes sense to like read it again now um so it's even worse than that it's even to the point now where it's like well people talked about this in the 90s and it's like that is that's 30 years ago and like even that stuff like people don't remember it it's wild right that was 30 years ago uh gross yeah So we've talked about your future aspirations with film.

Kind of at the end of the show. I'm just curious, do you have any other like really favorite Midwest, like cryptic cases or UFO stores? Anything that like, you know, jumps out to your mind as we have a few minutes left here. One of my favorite things is like, have you heard of the Vargas Trails Harryman? you know, I'm going to be honest. I actually haven't and I'm excited to hear about it. Okay. So funny enough, like I know Jack Osborne has a show popping up like with Bigfoot, right?

Or maybe that's already out. No, this weekend. This Sunday is coming out. Yeah. Well, if you need like throwback Jack Osborne, there was, I think it was a haunted highway. Oh, yeah. I think this was on haunted highway. I'm pretty like, I'm like 90% sure.

Otherwise there was some other, there was other, some other, like travel channel show that had this. But the Vargas Trail Harryman is a lot. almost like a Minnesota bigfoot. Oh, sure. It was really fun. So one of the main um,

one of the main stories that came out of that was, I think back in the 60s or possibly in the 70s, um, there was a, a woman named Cheryl, Cheryl Hanson was like snowmobiling as a kid. Okay. Um,

and as they were basically snowmobiling through this like trail area, they saw like a creature. walk out and then start traipsing through the snow and then ran through and then back into the woods. But the one thing she noticed, she's like, I don't think it was a person because it's snowing, it's deep snow and they weren't wearing shoes. So this thing was barefoot like tracing, traipsing through, which is pretty wild because, I mean, I don't know. I mean, being a Midwestern, you're like, think of Midwestern Minnesota snow and it's like, yeah, you don't mess around with that.

Yeah, I'm not, I'm not going to go barefoot up in that. So it was interesting, though, too, because, um, there's two there's two parts of this so somebody found like a skull that's really weird um so if you look up like vargas trail hairy man skull it's a little suss but it's it's it's it's it's it's very fun kind of like 60s 70s like um kind of you know big foot lore but i mean the thing is like you know there could be something there my favorite part about the whole whole story was i think we wrote about this a long time ago was like that it was possibly like a hermit man that just like lived in a farmstead and then we're just going to pop out but he was like you know like a wild

man still living in the 60s but he was just like a hermit that lived in an old farmstead that would just like creep people out but oh man it's kind of cool because i don't know if they still do it but i know a couple years back they did like a vargas trails like fun run and it was like bigfoot so the The town definitely kind of looks up to like that old folklore and kind of brings it back. So definitely one of those fun, fun, like, cryptic creature things is look up Vargas trails. And I'm, like, I'm pretty positive. There's a haunted highways episode on it with, uh, dude, with good old Jack Osborne. So good old Jack Osborne.

He is, he's a funny dude. I'm going to look that up. Maybe it's on Discovery Plus. It probably, it would honestly. Everything's on there. Discovery Plus is probably one of like my favorite subscriptions. It's so fun. Cool.

But I think aside from that, I mean, Van Meter is like something that's really close to our heart. Yeah, I know people are probably like, guys, you haven't talked about Van Meter like what is? Yeah, I mean, the thing is like I can't do the whole Chad Lewis like. Yeah, I know. I know. I mean, I really, oh, man, he is such a good storyteller. When it comes down to it, like his whole depth. But I think the thing is once you get guys like, you know, like Clarence done shooting out like a,

window in his bank and then hiding in the in the safe or um like the o v white thing is still a lot for me because i mean because you're just imagining to just wake up and you're like oh there's a weird beast that's bat like shining a light and then you get skunked and it's you just pass out and then you're just there and they're like i don't remember what happened last night i just saw a beast and then i smelled the gas and i like passed out so those two things those two things are crazy and then you basically have like the sidney gregg thing like seeing the seeing it like crawl down the telephone line like a parrot and then just that's the one that gets me every time it's like what i could see it like like like like spielberg just makes it like happen like this would should

have been in jurasic park too like just the van meter visitor just attacking jeff goldblum like it it's something that like that part was like okay these here's the thing i feel like too many people think that people back in the early 1900s or even before that were dumb like these people are like more in tune with nature than we are. They basically lived outside and they were coal miners. Like they dealt with it. So, you know, and then even for like the, like the, the high school teacher to be like, this is like some anteluvian beast that came from the hollow earth, you know.

Yeah, dude. So let's go. Yeah. It's like, no, it's not some demon. It's anti-deluvian. You know, like I, I just love hearing those like those parts of that story. And then in the flip side, you, um, I think campfire. campfire uh...

campfire uh... fire jails yes like so good they did a great job but i love the fact that like those newspapers were like no one no one slept in van meter for weeks like like it's it's wild and then you

and then there's like a big gun gun battle with with the with like trapping it in and like a posy it's such a slow motion like Arnold Schwarzenegger moment where he's like come what starts and then come on do it come here visit it I've got you. No.

Yeah. So it's, I, I just, it needs to be like, it needs to, that's one of the, that's one of the ones where it's like, if somebody gave me like a good budget, I will just tell that story all day long. And it's like, oh my goodness. We have, I mean, we have places like living history farms in Des Moines, which I talked to, um, last year because I was like, I would love to use this as like a location and they gave me some like, some numbers. And it's like that. It's doable. So it always happens right before the whistle. There's a little voice that says, what if I mess up? What if I'm not ready? I see a whole highlight reel of everything I don't want to happen.

Missed shots, turnovers, letting my team down. And for a second, there's doubt. But then I realize I've done enough to be where I'm at. The early mornings, the extra reps, the days I wanted to quit and didn't. So I smile. Self-doubt is natural, but my smile is a reminder that I'm resilient. To put more smiles out into the world, Colgate has supported female athletes for over 50 years with the Colgate Women's Games. The Colgate Women's Games is the nation's longest running indoor track and field series for girls and women.

Colgate, your smile is your strength. On this episode of Plant Killers, we'll explore one nation's most notorious fruit and vegetable killer, bad dirt. What makes bad dirt so bad? The answer? The ingredients. But fear not, true crime enthusiasts. This story has a happy ending. Miracle Grow organic raised bed and garden soil. It's made with quality organic ingredients from upcycled green waste like compost and aged bark.

Unlike the other guys who can't say the same, looks like bad dirt's murdering days are over. Thanks to Miracle Grow. Join us next time on plant killers. It's said everything happens for a reason, but maybe everything happens for a recess. Take noise-canceling headphones. Do they block hearing to heightened taste? that sound seems to show everything happens for a recess i think i think that will be a tale that i get told eventually it's it's it's i've everybody that's like worked with me

whenever we have like 15 minutes of downtime will always ask me about the van meter visitor exactly um and like i have a little van meter uh cryptic comforts like patch on my on my camera a lot so it's um it's something that's really close to near and dear to my heart but um i think i can't remember when were talking about this or if you even got talked about it a lot but something about the coal mines kind of like sparked my interest and one of my co-workers um today was like oh you guys you're doing that bigfoot thing tonight and i was like yeah i'm on that i'm on the podcast you know it is yeah so i was like he's like well what are you going to talk about i was like oh it's me i'm going to talk about van meter at some point he goes you know about the caves and stuff right i'm just like

okay break this down so he goes okay this was i i know that there i've been told that there's like cave entrances around like ingersoll and grand in Des Moines right and those are two like main streets and there's like houses um and they were so crazy yeah it's a very you would never really imagine that there's like a cave or coal mine or anything like that apparently he goes yeah my dad used to work for the city and um anybody that's familiar with urbandale iowa apparently there is a cave or a coal mine that they closed and like sealed behind the cobblestone theater in Irondale. No way.

Yeah. Dude, that blows, that's so weird. But it's crazy because, like, you think, like, I think the thing is people forget,

like, when it comes to the van meter thing, it's like how, like, threaded and deep and, like, how much coal mining actually happens,

um, around the area. And then, like, you basically still have history. Like, we have probably history, like, underneath our,

underneath our, oh, easy, easy, yeah. So, and it's kind of like, yesterday I was up in Minnesota, like, in a cave that was literally

under your farm that I was shooting. And the guy was like, oh, hey, by the way, the cave's just like right below us. We don't have to drive. I was like, what? Yeah, and there's like stabor tooth skulls down there, dude. Oh, yeah, it was nuts. I, I've never experienced anything like that.

But when it comes down to it, it's like, yeah, if there was a creature that wanted to hide, it can just go through these cave systems and it probably knows them better than we do. And plus it's got a glowing, a glowing beak so we can see down there. Yeah, dude. Oh, man, there could be a whole army of visitors. I mean, who knows, man? I mean, they, they, there's the, there's the phrase from the, the register article that said it sounded like an army of Satan's imps marching up on battle of van meter.

Speaking of which, did ever tell you this, the most synchronistic thing to happen to me? So I was taking a walk one day where we used to live in central Iowa, and I looked down and what do I see? A plastic, a plastic, teradactal van meter visit. I was like, that's, that's it. It's synchronicity. It's, it's the heaven saying, yes, it's wild, right? I love that.

That's such a fun thing. I think one of my favorite possessions right now is I have a Starbucks Rapachino glass of brick and tile factory, like dirt and like soil. Oh, nice. Yeah, because I went so funny enough, like last year when I was out filming with you, with you and then Chad and everything else was, I somehow won the gift basket in the gift basket.

It was a killer basket. Oh, it was great. You got the book and like all the fun stuff. But I looked in the very bottom and I was like, someone just like threw away the track. Oh, that's brick and tile dirt. Oh, man. That's amazing.

Yeah. Lucky stuff. Believe it or not, Andrew. We are at the end of the hour. I told you it's this one's going to go super quick. Do you mind though taking a few minutes? I want to make sure people know how they can keep up to date with you in unknown Midwest and all that good stuff.

Yeah, I mean, if you want to, I mean, if you want to, please do. You can follow along with me on Instagram and Facebook at Unknown Midwest. I'm also on Twitter at Unknown Midwest. I'm going to be getting the website up as soon as I possibly can because it's getting close. I was hoping to have it done by this episode. Unfortunately not. But that will be Unknown Midwest.com. We'll start bringing back blog posts and vice versa.

Probably do some throwbacks just to get started. up and kind of share what we used to do. Nice. Because it's already there and ready to go. But we'll start writing some new articles and, you know, see what happens. Otherwise, like, probably follow me, like, through all my own personal channels just through those as well. So, yeah, that's how you can reach out with me.

I love it. Dude, Andrew, thanks so much for coming on. You are, as always, a super good friend. Thank you so much. Absolutely, man. Thank you very much. Real quick announcement before we head out. I've got the opportunity of going on my first Bigfoot expedition at the end of July.

Currently, I'm trying to raise money to buy gear for that. If you want to specifically support Bigfoot Society and as I go into my first Bigfoot expedition, feel free to do that by going over to the Bigfoot Society Etsy page and buying a t-shirt over there. That will help fund my gear for that. that expedition. You can also join the Patreon. Patreon.com forward slash bigfoot society. I'm about to talk about that again in a few minutes.

But that's where you'll be able to see. I'll be putting some interviews from that expedition plan is to put some extra content directly from that expedition into the Patreon. So definitely support the podcast through there as well. Thanks. Thanks for listening to the Bigfoot Society podcast. Please take a few minutes to review the show on iTunes five stars as it does help us get into the eyes and ears of more listeners on iTunes. That will help us just get bigger and bigger and get even better quality guests for future shows.

Also, if you have any Bigfoot encounters or cryptid encounters, please send your stories and audio and photos, whatever you. you've got over to bigfoot society at gmail.com. If you'd like to become more involved with bigfoot society and get some extra content, we do have a Patreon where you can get all sorts of cool things. For example, for $7 a month, you get extra Bigfoot Society content, usually interviews, but other things as well. You get a sweet membership card and a vinyl sticker that I sent to you in the mail. You get access to the Bigfoot Society after show, which is an extra.

interview after the main interview with the weekly cast and usually they are up for Patreon members to be in that extra show segment with them and me and you get to ask your question live to them and get an answer from the guest which as you've seen what guest we've had in the past this could be a really big deal there's also a private discord where you can get involved with talking to me one-on-one and the community there, and that's always a great time. You can find the Patreon at www.patechreon.com forward slash the Bigfoot Society. We're very thankful for all our supporters that we have in so many different ways

and appreciate all our listeners coming back week after week to listen to more cryptozoology-based interviews. Thanks so much for listening, and we'll see you next time. The views and opinions expressed are those of the, guest and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of Bigfoot society. Any content provided by our guests are not intended to malign any religion, ethnic group, club organization, company, individual, or anyone. Thank you. It always happens right before the whistle. There's a little voice that says, what if I mess up?

What if I'm not ready? I see a whole highlight reel of everything I don't want to happen. missed shots, turnovers, letting my team down, and for a second, there's doubt. But then, I realize I've done enough to be where I'm at. The early mornings, the extra reps, the days I wanted to quit and didn't. So, I smile. Self-doubt is natural, but my smile is a reminder that I'm resilient. To put more smiles out into the world, Colgate has supported female athletes for over 50 years with the Colgate Women's Games. The Colgate Women's Games is the nation's longest running indoor track and field series for girls and women.

Colgate, your smile is your strength. On this episode of Plant Killers, we'll explore one nation's most notorious fruit and vegetable killer, bad dirt. What makes bad dirt so bad? The answer? The ingredients. But fear not true crime enthusiasts. This story has a happy ending. Miracle grow organic raised bed and garden soil. It's made with quality organic ingredients from upcycled green waste like compost.

and aged bark. Unlike the other guys who can't say the same, looks like Bad Dirt's murdering days are over. Thanks to Miracle Grow. Join us next time on plant killers. They say everything happens for a reason, but I suspect everything happens for a Reese's. Like this commercial

break, did you need 15 seconds away from music, or 15 seconds to eat arreases? Perhaps it's true. Everything happens for a rees. This is Daniel Fischel. And Ryder Strong from PodMeets World. As cat parents, writer and I know the feeling of being ignored by our cats. I often wonder, does my cat even love me? Well, there's only

one solution to solve that, Shiba. Feed your cat Shiba and go from feeling ignored to truly adored in 12 days, guaranteed or your money back. Sheba has so many incredible products that can satisfy even the pickiest eater. Like new Shiba grilled, made in the USA with the finest ingredients from around the world. They are savory strips and a succulent sauce that cats are sure to love. it's 100% complete and balanced with essential vitamins and nutrients for adult cats like my bill made without artificial flavors or preservatives no corn wheat or soy to learn more check out shiba.com pancy bank brings you call of the wild money moves shh listen hey guys that's the sound of a multi-level marketing pitch this is life-changing you guys sounds like she wants you to buy lots of

essential oils they are so essential and then have all your friends by essential oils. Are you more of a geranium or lavender fan? Don't look her in the eyes. Guard against wild money moves with PNC Bank. Brilliantly boring since 1865. On this episode of plant killers, we'll explore one nation's most notorious fruit and vegetable killer, bad dirt. What makes bad dirt so bad?

The answer? The ingredients. But fear not true crime enthusiasts. This story has a happy ending. Miracle grow organic raised bed and garden soil. It's made with quality organic ingredients from upcycled green waste like compost and aged bark. Unlike the other guys who can't say the same, looks like bad dirt's murdering days are over. Thanks to Miracle Grow.

Join us next time on Plant Killers.