Bigfoot Society - 30 Bigfoot Stories with Rick Rasmor, Pt. 1

Episode Date: August 7, 2023

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Visit your nearby Lowe's on West Pico Boulevard in Los Angeles. And they'd gone on a day hike out in the mountains outside of Lincoln, Lincoln. And as they come walking across, and they're coming back to their car. There's a kind of big layering on a high ridge timber. They came out of the timber, a couple hundred yards back to the car, and as they're approaching their vehicle late in the afternoon early evening, some people in the trailhead start running at them point and point and pointing, and in this scenario, there had been,

and they'd been at Bigfoot sightings and activity. And they turned around and right on the edge of the timber, they see this large, dark figure, turned, walk back in the timber on the trail, or in the vicinity of the trail, like it followed him out to the edge of the timber. And Jeff and his family had turned, turned, and they just saw this large black figure turning and walking back in the timber. In this episode of Bigfoot Society, I talked to Mr. Rick Rasmur from the great state of Oregon. I've been talking to Rick for about a year now, trying to get him on the podcast so he can

share his collection of anecdotal evidence. and I'm happy to say that we finally were able to make it to work. I'm not going to spoil the surprises here, but there are some really cool things that we go over in a way. I just can't explain it. But back to the future slash force gump vibes, I'll leave it at that. It gets pretty cool.

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a thing. It's going to get pretty crazy, guys. Again, thanks for listening and let's start the show. All right, Pickford Society. We've got the privilege of talking to a gentleman tonight. His name is Rick. He had approached me through Facebook, I believe, and he's got some interesting stories, anecdotal evidence from over the years. Rick, how's it going? I'll let you take it from here. Doing pretty good, man. Thanks a lot for having me on. So, um, fine. I'm glad we can actually finally get together because you and I've kind of basing back and forth on this for a number of months. It's been a long time coming. Yeah. So one thing or another. So anyway, that's, and not to be overly vague, but I live in Oregon. I've lived in Oregon whole life, pushing 60 years almost. And I just had an interest in this topic for, on Roger Patterson and Mr. Bob Gimling put a movie out. And it's just been always intrigued with it ever since.

So, you know, and over the course of that time, as Jeremiah, you know, I spoke, I don't have any hair-raising encounters or stories for people. But over the course of time, I've met people, I've talked people, I've got a lot of good friends. And, you know, over all these years, I just have a lot of stories that make me more of a believer. I haven't seen one. I know there's no words and believers out there. There's nayserers. There's people that are just don't know. And I don't know, but I hear enough and I've been interested enough in the topic for well over half a century that I said I've got some stories that kind of cool to me. And I've kept tracking over the years. And I guess, you know, it's probably good time to share some of those. I love it. It sounds like you're in a, I mean, being in Oregon in general doesn't matter where you're at. You're in a cool area. But it sounds like you're in a cool area. So I'm excited to hear, you know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you.

brushed, you've brushed, you know, paths with, with people that might be known to the Bigfoot community, but I'm excited to hear, you know, what you've, you've gathered along the years. So, well, and, and, and, uh, first of all, so I'm not a researcher. Um, I spent a lot of time in the woods. I, I hunt and fish at I, my family and I, um, I have a lot of trail cameras that stick out in the mountains and all that. And again, I've, I've got no groundbreaking earth's shattered the evidence that's to be presented tonight. But I've got a pretty, like I said, a lot of clinnor-eastern stories, both a lot of people. I that there's a lot of people out there were never a believer until they became a believer or an owner. And there's those that have chased their entire lives and never really satisfied their need to know. But yeah, we live right at the base of Mount Hood. I've lived in Western Oregon my entire life. Mount St. Helens, Mount Adams. I spent a lot of times up in the Northeastern Oregon or Paul Freeman. A lot of people, most people know about Paul Freeman as well.

I'm very familiar with that country. And I've just got little bits and pieces from all these areas that's just kind of another pieces of the puzzle, I guess, so to speak. So what I put together is I've got a number of stories, again, the vast majority of anecdotal, but that's all the vast majority of those are second person. These are acquaintances and or friends of mine that we've just, we've talked, we've had stories.

So if you don't mind, I'll start off. I've kind of segregated this region by region. And then, you know, I said, I'll just kind of start that way. I start with some kind of miscellaneous, and I'll kind of focus on a couple different regions. That northeast Oregon area, obviously the Pacific, or the Mount Hood, Cascade Range, and up into Mount Hessehounds in Washington as well. So I'll start with kind of going chronologically as well, some of the couple miscellaneous ones. A good friend of my little brother, a little brother, younger, stepbrother.

And again, we're going back. This is probably back in the 80s, but he told me the story years ago as well. But they were up in Montana, Lincoln, Montana, if anyone knows, kind of West Central Montana. And there was a lot of reports and stories and sightings of Bigfoot back there in Lincoln, Montana back in the mid-80s. So when I heard this story from my brother's friend, Jeff, as shoot as probably in the late 80s, early 90s. And Bigfoot, to me back then, you didn't hear about Montana. You heard about Oregon, Washington, California, Canada. He didn't hear much about the Midwest, Texas, Oklahoma, wherever. But my brother saw a friend Jeff, I remember him telling us one day after they'd gone back to Montana.

I think to see some family friends during the summer, summer vacation, whatever, outside of school. And we started talking, and he knew we kind of had an interest in Bigfoot. And they'd gone on a day hike out in the mountains outside of Lincoln. Lincoln. And as I come walking across, some of these things I've kind of paint the vision I have from the interpretation I have of the stories that I heard these people of the years. It's probably in the details they gave me and then the way I picture it. And they're coming back to their car. There's a kind of big clearing on a high ridge timber. They came out of the timber. A couple hundred yards back to the car. And as they're approaching their vehicle late in the afternoon early evening, some people in the trailhead start running at them point in point. Pointin, pointing. And in this scenario, there had been,

there'd been, Bigfoot sightings and activity. And they turned around, and right on the edge of the timber, they see this large, dark figure, turn, walk back in the timber. On the trail, or in the vicinity of the trail, like it followed them out to the edge of the timber. And, and Jeff and his family had turned, and they just saw this large black figure turning and walking back in the timber. So, and really, that's just kind of,

that's how a lot of my story is going to be. It's going to be stuff like that. But again, there's several of them. This is great, Rick, because I have listeners from all over, and people are going to be, oh, my goodness, Lincoln, Montana. Yeah, yeah. Totally. I've seen one in Lincoln, Montana, you know? Well, it ends great.

And ultimately that might be, you know, how this all comes together? Because I'll get in something. Actually, just a couple more down the line here. Yellowstone National Park on the east side of Yellowstone, Cody, Wyoming. There's a number of reported sightings. The stories come out of there. Idaho, same thing. The Bauman incident, which goes way back, and Teddy Roosevelt talked about that.

But again, when I was growing up and younger, it was Oregon, Washington, California, and then you get up into Canada as well. And as we see now, it's a, I don't know if you want to call it referred to as an on or not, but it's not just Oregon, Washington, California, and Canada. So, again, just since these are not so much specifically regional, I've just got a couple of miscellaneous. stories. So that's the one in Lincoln, Montana. And back in the early to mid-80s, probably. A good friend of mine, I'll have a couple references to him. Avid Outdoorsman, he's a non-believer, and we'll get to watch his stories a little bit later, more local. But a good friend of his that I've got to meet over the years. Again, a very simple story, but he was down, and I'm kind of reading off some notes as we go here, but down on the

Orden Coast, Salette River. Orden Coast has a good history. too. You don't hear a lot about it. They're driving along, driving the road down the Salets River, and this is probably back in the early 70s now, and just a tall black figure crosses the road in front of them. As a lot of sightings are,

you're driving at night and all of a sudden, bam, bam, bam, two or three steps, and that's the experience you have that the best majority of people in this country will never have. We're in this world for that. So, so a crossing of the highway heading down the

Salettes in the middle of the night, they're not middle of night, but probably even. And so I said, that's all that's all I have on the story. But, you know, it's just an acquaintance of a friend that had, saw something that can you explain it? Can you not? Whatever. And then finally, of my miscellaneous stories, this has to do as Yellowstone as well.

Probably about 10 years ago. We used to go, my family and I used to go to Yellowstone, my wife and our kids, and even prior to kids. We used to go to Yellowstone quite a bit, for once or twice a year. And again, having her. heard some of these stories, especially on the eastern boundary of Yellowstone. There's actually some photos from around Old Faithfull, if anyone's seen those from a couple years ago in the snow, possibly some Bigfoot's walking amongst some Bison or Buffalo on the trail system out of Old Fafel in midwinter. But this is on the east and northeast end of Yellowstone. I just saw some very

large impressions in the snow as we're driving through in two or three feet of snow in an area that typically deer and elk are not going to be that time of year. And we slowed down and I took a look at them. I didn't hop out. But it was just interesting because that section of eastern Yellowstone getting into Western Wyoming on the backside of it has, over the last number of years, I've seen, heard and read several stories of sightings and cameras, whatever.

So I just saw big impressions. I just big impressions in what to me would be need, a thigh deep snow. crossing the road. So you personally did yourself. Wow. Okay. How far apart were those significant enough?

So you see these photos from time to time in the snow, Alberta, Canada, BC, wherever. And deer in deeper snow will hop and post hole balance. And I didn't get out and look in those holes. Sure. Let's see exactly what it was. You're in the Rocky Mountains.

You're in an area that's getting pretty dang cold. And the vast majority of wildlife, migrate out of this higher elevations and this is probably February or so probably near this peak snowpack and just to see the impressions they're just big oval type of impressions in snow at a relatively at three to four footish type of distance but that being said also i mean it's something is stepping that you would expect maybe some tow drag dragons of snow and we didn't we just slowed down we went past those area that area once and turned around came back And I just to specifically look at those impressions in the snow, it could have been a deer.

There should not have been deer up there, not to say there wasn't. Most likely not up. They don't typically hop like that, especially in snow environments. So they'll plow their way through. There's bison up there. There's moose. But same thing. They're big, strong animals.

If they're living up in that, there's plowing a trail through that. Oh, yeah, definitely. They're not hobbing or post-soling. No, I'm stalking or something like that. So, again, it was just an observation driving through. Yelsoon Park in an area that there is recent history of experiences. Again, anecdotal, what it was, I didn't get out and look specifically is it a five-track, five to 18-inch track.

And this is right. It was just like, it was probably sub-zero. You're like, I'll stay in the car. Yeah, exactly. And I've kicked myself in the butt ever since. I should have got out at least stick my nose in one of those. see what the model looks like. Right.

You never know, right? And that's, and it's a lot of people probably the same thing. You see some of these videos online and why did they, why they stopped filming? Why did they chase it or pursue it? They didn't go look at tracks. Well, I didn't see a creature. I don't know what made those. I just, those impressions as known and an app made it.

So that being said, those are the more my miscellaneous, but I'll start focusing a little more on some of the more regional and closer to my part of the world, Western Or. West and Washington Washington. One of those, Mount St. Helens, Mount St. Helens, Matt Adams. Roger Patterson lived in Yakima, which is right in that same region, and that doesn't really make a whole lot of difference. I guess he did a lot of research. So along the Columbia River, and I don't know how many listeners you have here and how many will see this later. I don't know how many live in the Pacific Northwest, how many are familiar with what all goes on out here. Some will probably

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So this is the Skamania County, which Scamania County has a law that is illegal to kill a sauce squash. And this is something I kept from around the 60s or early 70s, as a community county ordinance or whatever. It's illegal to kill a swash in the community county. in Washington. So along the highway along the Columbia River, the guy my dad got to school with and wrote it up

in the paper, you drive it along, you see something. Looks like a tree line across the two-lane remote little highway in the dark. And as he in the fog and as he approaches, the thing continues to walk across the road. So the paper comes out. They have a little sketch. My dad tells you, my dad goes, I know that guy.

He's kind of a goofy dude in high school. But as a result of that, and there's been a number of sidings along that section of the, remember the highway 16 or something, I can't read the highway number on the side of Columbia. There's been a number of sidings in the Columbia River Gorge on that highway as well as across the Columbia River, which is a very large river.

On the Oregon side, it's a major interstate freeway I-84. And there's been sightings on both sides of the Columbia River on these highways and freeways over decades. So, but at that location, or in the nearer that location where my dad's old high school buddy had seen this creature. Someone made a big plywood cutout. And so again, we're talking, this is probably right around late 60s, 1970-ish. And I've looked before, my dad took a photo of it. Yeah, I think he used to make slides out of these. I looked several years ago. But they made this big old cutout right

of that crossing. So on that highway on the Washington side, there's this eight-foot plywood cut out of a big foot. And it was there for several years. It was really cool. I wish I could find the picture because dad wanted to do. take a picture of me one day next to it. I scared to death and go up next to that thing and get my picture taken next to this Bigfoot cut out. But I just remember just this big kind of rudimentary kind of painted up plywood cutout silhouette or Bigfoot was sited and crossed the highway on highway 16, highway 18 on the Washington side. So that's so that's going back to just a little bit of that history. Again, it was just kind of a neat little thing. So,

but right around that time, my, my father and I went up to Mount St. Helms, Mount Adams. This is also, there's a wilderness area called the Indian Heaven Wilderness, big time Huckleberry picking, again, a big foot history from over the years. And over the years, I'm talking over a couple generations. Right around, as I'm looking at age, right around June of 1971, my dad and I, we were driving around. We just, he had an old Ford Vraco. We just take it out in the mountains all the time.

And he used to run around that country quite a bit. and you grew up there hunting and fish and just chasing around, just, you know, getting in trouble. And this one's one of the more significant in my early stages of the interests in Bigfoot. Remember we went up on an old logging road on a north slope.

And we came up to the kind of the top of the clear cut. It was all north slope and there's snow on the grounds. And that's why it was early enough of the year that we could access all the roads to get up there. but it was all, I mean, it's late enough the year we could do that because the roads were melted out, but it was early enough in the year there's still a big snowbank on that north slope with this, this ridge or mountain we were on. And we parked the Jeep, or the Bronco, and as we get out, and I'm young, I'm seven-ish years old or something like that,

six, seven, eight. And we get out, and there are these impressions all up and down this slope. And I guess going from recollection, it's 200 yards long, maybe 300, just, just, open slope or been logged in the snow was probably anywhere from inches deep to maybe a foot or two, but there's these huge impressions that went down and up like three or four times up and down this slope. It wasn't heeple. They were melted out. And my dad reminded that as me as well, but it was just the location, the size of these melted out impressions in the snow. They were very consistent. I don't remember the stride length or whatever. And again, you talked about deer earlier and they're post-hauling

and jump and a deer didn't jump all the way down the hill and jump back up and jump back down that hill three or four or five times. And these impressions of tracks, which again makes not doesn't make any sense to this day on what made him and why. But they just went up and down this big north slope snowbank three or four or five times. Like we call all that. It was just it was weird. It was just they were big, big melted out impressions in the snow. Someone didn't walk up and down that thing. And if it was a big foot, why he?

walked up and down that thing. Who knows? It's just something that's always really stuck in my mind. So what does that do to your thinking in that moment when you, like, were you freaked out or were you like, I have no idea what's going on? So that, and great question. So when I was younger at 678 and again, Roger Patterson and Gimlin, that that film coming out in 67, 68, I remember it was because they had filmed and ran it all over the place. I was terrified of the woods. And I was, I'd spend I'd love going on the outdoors and camping with my dad

so it didn't help I had a tough time whenever we went out we had a little tent trailer occasionally when we had tent camp whatever I just and I was

I had a tough time camping in the woods the daylight I was fine whenever I started getting dark I just I didn't have tough time sleeping so that experience there again that's the only thing

I could think of as Bigfoot so my dad's one of those naysayers and to this day and I'll get and some stories here all a little bit later some of the areas that are like the Freeman location all that we're a lot of time in that country

for that case as well. My dad has never seen or experienced anything to even give him an inkling of belief. So even those tracks, we've talked about those in the past, he's, you know, he doesn't know what the heck they were.

And obviously at that point he was in his mid-30s, whatever. But no, I was, I can't say got any more scared. but I just kind of confirmed a little more that I can't sleep in that when I'm capping the woods. That's just kind of what that came to you. Right. It took a long time to get over that. I bet, man.

That's funny. Yeah. So, it is it definitive? No, by any means. But anyway, it's just,

it's another one of those little memories of personal experience. It's just random. And to this day, I really couldn't, it can't explain. Now, how big the snow field was. Again, I know it would have been right around June at 20th of that event.

year of again around 71 so just because there's no conditions and all that that makes no sense to me what made tracks up and down that hill three or four times and at this point we'll never know but um some things made more sense than others um so up in that same country um so my step brother brian he uh my parents divorced from last three dad got remarried a couple years later And so my stepbrother Brian, they had some, I can't remember why, but they had some family, I think, a relation to up in the Yakima area, which same that Mount St. Helens, Mount Adams. And Yakima was Roger Patterson, Bob, giving them both lived. Bob still that.

So somewhere right around the early 70s. There's a pass when you're coming from Oregon and having to cross, go cross country. You go through a big Indian reservation. go over this. It's called Sadist Pass, and that's not real high. It's 3,500 feet, whatever. And drop down the backside to the reservation. You hit a couple of communities to get to Yakma. So, and again, this is just from him. They're driving back in the dark. He's with his father. So this is after mom and his mother and his father had separated a divorce. I think his mom and my dad might have been remarried by then. But they're coming back through that area at night. And I'm just looking at my notes kind of refresh my memory on it.

late at night, driving back from Yakimao, Portland in that sadist pass area, and something large crossed the road in front of two lakes. Wow. And once again, these are areas that aren't random. These are all areas that have a history. And that's all it was. In the dark, young kids with their father

and something on two lakes cross, lakes crossed the road in the dark in front of them. And that's about all I got on that one. The best thing about these stories like this is that the people in these stories have nothing to gain by sharing these stories. Like they're not going to become famous or get tons of money. Like they're just sharing, hey, this happened to me. And like there's thousands of these.

Yeah, that's exactly. It's crazy. Yeah. And I'll even get a couple of those here. I've got twin brothers that are really good friends, but one can't tell the story to the other because the other one laugh at it. But we'll get to that in a bit. So these are my best friends. But that's it.

These stories have been shared with me just over the course of time. And most of them have never been shared beyond me. And so just because they're experiences that most of them, they've spent more, they've spent no more time even thinking about them. So just kind of add up randomly. So moving forward, up in that same Mount St. Helens,

Mount Adams country. So another one, now, again, I keep mentioning Mount St. Helens, Mount Adams. That's kind of the region I'm working on here. But my grandpa grew up and working the coal mines in Pennsylvania back when he's younger, moved out here, got married to my grandma, started their family, my dad, and then his sister, my aunt. But my grandpa just, he loved hunting and fishing. And I'm talking, you're talking now probably at 40s, 50s, 60s. and there was a whole different world out here back then as it was it

you know entire country and the entire world so uh but i grandpa up eat loved to get that in the outdoors and i remember him telling me a story once and he did this he had he and i never bigfoot saucequatch whatever but he just told me a story this is a little interesting and he's hunting that from that same country um this was back in the early days just like um bluff creek in california when that road is finally being encroached on taking the bulldozers in building roads logging whatever. And I've heard things about like this, the different pitch on national forest of remnant St. Helens. That there was a, a pamphlet put out, and this kind of relates,

but pamphlet put out to employees back in the 50, 60s. If you ever encounter anything, you can't explain, do not share it with anyone, something along those lines. Because this is, these are forests and mountains that were just starting to be, again, encroached on. So not a lot of people, not a lot of roads, a lot of access, and logging is just starting to happen. And there have been fur trappers in mind that here for a hundred years prior to. So my grandpa's out hunting somewhere up in that country, whether it's deer or elk, I don't know, most likely elk. And he said, the story you told, and he told me this story 30, 40 years ago, but he's hunting

and there's a heavy timber, very heavily thick forested out here in this part of the west. And he sees a bear. And we have a bunch of bears out here, a ton of black bears. 110s of thousands. See, there's a black bear. There's a little stream crossing with a log on it. So he's watching this bear, and he's going to shoot it. And I'm kind of surprised because back in that day, they shot almost anything they could.

And as the bears, and I don't know what the distance was, if he was 50 yards, or he has 200 yards, it's heavy enough timber in that country. He probably wasn't half a mile out. It was reasonably somewhat within range and close. So he's watching this bear. and if I recall correct them at grandpa had an old 30-30 that did not have a scope on it and maxification he's just shooting iron side so he's just looking at it

eye-dye so this bear approaches this log stands up on its hind legs and walked across the log to go across the creek and then after that I had whatever dropped to all fours or whatever but that's been thrown out there for years or you saw a bear or whatever walking on its hind legs well the bears don't tend to walk on hind legs and if a bear's approach in the log he saw him as all fours walking

across, but that's just one story that always stuck with me. Like, Grandpa Pete told me years ago. He wasn't thrown out there, I think, at a Bigfoot signing. He's just saying, it was kind of a weird thing you saw. Bears walk into the woods. He's looking at it. They're shooting up. The thing stands up on its high in legs.

And you hear stories of Bigfoot on fall fours, typically more in a scurrying type of manner or whatever. It was just another store. We have one of all these stories of you. It's just some for the notes and for the record book. But it doesn't make sense. And again, he made no reference. He was from, he's that old school and worked in the woods a lot growing up.

I'd like working the mines back in the coal mines and all that comes out here. It worked for the county parched and spent a lot out of woods. He didn't say anything. It might have been a big foot. He just told me a story about a bear that stood on the sign. Links walked across the log across the creek. It's really weird. Yeah.

And so that's why I throw it out the street. It makes no sense to me either, but what in the world? And he didn't make it up. Yeah, why? I mean, there's no reason he would, he would make that up. Like right. So it was just a random story he told and what the what the what even got him on to that topic. And again, this is going back.

He has passed away a number of years ago now. So whatever, whatever he brought that subject up. I don't even recall, but that was what he had for me. So, and again, up in that same area, this is going back to shoot 45ish years ago now. And this is this could have been a bear or whatever, but there's a group of lakes. If there are four long, there's actually a bunch of like drill pop. camping and fishing. Again, this Indian heaven country, which is between Mount St. Helens and Mount Adams. Neat, beautiful country. A lot of volcanic history and all that. We were up there one

evening, my dad, my stepmother, my stepbrother and sister. And I got up kind of on a log landing, another kind of an older clear cut. And I heard a moan in the distance. And now I've heard a lot of bears moan. And they're pretty vocal sometimes as well. And this could have very well been a a black bear. But I'm, again, we're up in some of the more active, I guess. are historically active Bigfoot areas. And I went running back

my dad because I kind of walked away from where he parked at the end of this trail or at the end of this road and kind of got out of the edge of this log landing. It was late in the evening it was probably the last half hour

of daylight. And again, this is, again, this is an experience of mine, very anecdotal. I have no idea. It could, what it was. It wasn't a, there was a,

no, this wasn't an elk or nothing. It's just a moan. And I was a young kid back then. Again, very scared of Bigfoot, very into Bigfoot. We heard this, just this moan. in the distance, just kind of a bellowing, echoing moan and go running back to my dad about 50 yards away.

And you hear that? Then we heard it once again. So again, as I put together my notes, so to speak, of stories and experiences and whatever, this one I just added to. It was just, again, it was a long time ago. I had not been, I wasn't so wilderness and outdoor savvy back then. But it was just a moan to this day, and knowing what bear sounds like on it, they're making, they make some of their mating moans. and so they make, the only thing I could have think it was outside of anything else, it could have been a bear moaning in the evening. It's just communication, whatever. But the sound I remember hearing, it wasn't, it was allowed. It echoed enough because it was a distance away.

It wasn't a scream by any means, just a moan. It heard twice. And, you know, the hell and what it was. Again, it could have very easily been a bear. But again, my recollection that doesn't, I don't remember it sounding like what I typically have heard from bears in the forest and the noises they've made over the years. That's all I've got on that.

I can't tell you one way or the other what I actually heard. It wasn't a person, wasn't an elk or a deer or anything else. So I'm not a guaranteed, aren't they? So that being said, a little north of that, the Cascade Mountain Range, which runs from British Columbia, Canada, down through Oregon, then it does kind of become the Sierra Nevada as you get into California. The Cascades have a lot of history up and down.

a rugged mountain range for the most part. A lot of volcanoes are on an edge of a tectonic plate. Some friends of ours, Will and Julie, I'll call them, which is that isn't an image. Yeah. Okay. And that's as far as we go there, and it doesn't matter.

Right. And this is just a random thing, too. If someone asked, going back just a couple years ago, maybe four, five, six years ago, someone says, you need to talk about To Will about their experience. And it's not like I go out there, trolling for information from friends and acquaintances or wife and I and a lot of friends and family or social get out about

but you got to talk to Will so next time we saw Will in his and Julie's early days and I don't have a specific time I would say this is probably in the 90s roughly they were up in the I can't remember exactly what passed you have a couple major passes in Washington go from the Seattle Tacoma area over to Yakima had to Spokane and all that. I think it'll still call me past, but I can't be 100% sure. But they had a truck and a camper.

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New series now streaming with a CNN subscription. It's said everything happens for a reason, but maybe everything happens for a recess. Take noise-canceling headphones. Do they block hearing to heightened taste? Hmm. That sounds. to show everything happens for a recess and pulled over at this past one night and again up in this

country that even recently there's a lot of activity um so they're in the camper um and there's a little gap between the the the truck um and the camper and again how much it could have been a couple inches whatever in the middle of the night there's something reaching between their camper and the cab of the truck pickup. It's rummaging around in there. And they can tell by how far as reaching it. Those were reaching in a long, long ways between the cab of the pickup and the camper. And I woke them both up.

And I wonder what the heck who's strung around with this. But it was, it was just kind of ominous and eerie enough form that they just kind of held tight. And again, I'm kind of filling in the blanks here. I can't recall it all the exact details. So in the morning, Will goes out there. He finds long red hairs. And he said they're long, and they stunk. And he told me, he says, I've got them in an envelope somewhere.

I don't remember where they're at. And I want to go, I got to go dig him out sometime. But just long red hair, something digging in there between the camper and the cab of the truck. And long hair, red, stinky red hair as a result of it. But that being said, just that story alone made him a believer. And I didn't talk with his wife, Juliet, the time they're together. not that that matters. Anyway, just another one of those little story things that just kind of randomly,

hey, you've got to talk to Will about this story. And that's a story. And all of a sudden, he's a believer in Bigfoot. That one is really interesting. Man. You said he held on to him or? Yeah, he's got hairs filled out. And then he'll go up somewhere.

I had this conversation with him a couple years ago. I went four, five, six years ago. I can't recall. And we're friends or acquaintances. It's not like we hang out, buddy, buddy. I haven't seen or talked to him in probably a year or two. But I told him, I said, go find that hanging envelope. But whether he ever has or not.

And he's got his trials and tribulations of life just like all of us, I guess. So it's probably, it's again, one of those people who probably had just that one particular experience in the counter. And we'll never forget it. But move on with life as well. But if Will does happen to find the envelope with the hair, there is a rock and bigfoot DNA study that's happening down in North Carolina. State. I believe it's North Carolina State. And they are taking all sorts of evidence. It was announced today at a Smoky Mountain. Well, I'll message. Yeah. That's interesting. Hey, they will. See it's every time I can't address that envelope. But yeah, I've got a curious as well.

That's so. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, like I said, that's that speaks to that story. But still, it's intriguing. Again, moving on. So I mentioned earlier, my stepbrother Brian, who had one, him and his bad, and I think sister with something cross the road between Yakma and Portland years ago, whatever. But his older son, and I forgot about this one, but, and he just threw this at me

randomly several years ago as well, but he's, his friends, parents, think they hit one with their car. And I don't know exactly what or where, whatever. I don't know. And again, it's just a random conversation that my nephew and I had several years ago, but, and they live up in the, they're all up in this, kind of the

Seattle metropolitan area for the most part. But my friends, parents think they hit one with the car once. That's kind of a, that's like a huge statement to grow out. Like, I mean, I would love to try to talk to them. Like, that's wild. And who, and who is, how much I question them on it? It's not like I'm trying to get all right. I got to go there tomorrow and, and, yeah, review the location.

Even it was 25 years old or whatever. You know, it's, I can't remember. I don't even. I really, honestly, I don't remember that conversation outside of, I've just kept these notes over the years and all of a sudden Matt came up. So that topic. So who the friend was, where it happened, how long ago it happened? I don't know. I mean, after all this, after we have this follow up, with any, any details you want me to try and gather and glean for you.

I'll do what I can. Can't guarantee it our thing. But, you know, who knows? Maybe I get all the Creighton's buddies, friends, or parents, and you can talk with them. That's, I feel like, I feel like if you're going to say, yeah, we're pretty sure we hit a big hood with their car, you probably have more details. Like, that's not just a sure sentence that you would, you'd throw out without having more stuff.

Right. And that's interesting. Yeah. So whether the, whether the, Creighton's friend was with the parents and he was there when it happened. And then the friend said, hey, Creighton, I think we had a big foot last night. And then Creighton years later tells me, Uncle Rick, that my friends, parents think they hit a Bigfoot. So I don't know how, you know, how, how is deathless? They didn't make it up.

The Creighton's friend didn't make that up to him. But again, that's all I've got for you at the moment. Wild. Then finally, as far as Mount St. Helens country goes, Mount St. Helens, Mount St. Helens, Mount Adams. There's another gentleman that's a prominent, but really stays below the radar here. A gentleman by the name of Joe Beelart. I was like, he's going to say Belart. He totally is, Because Oregon Big for the highway is such a good book. Yeah. Actually, I haven't seen it yet.

I want to get it. And Cliff, I've got a couple places and get it, but I want Joe to sign it for me. Yeah, you got it. Personally, as opposed. Because I think Cliff has them signed by Joe, but I don't want to get one signed. And honestly, I want, yeah. I want to hold Joe's hand on signs the name thing for me. So anyway, that being said, I haven't seen that.

So years ago, and heck, I'm looking now, heck, this is back in 06, I guess. 17 years ago. It doesn't seem that long. But I'd been in communication with Joe and Cliff back then. And I'm not buddy-buddy with these guys, just random emails back of the days. I've met them both on a couple different occasions over the years. But yeah, back in 06, and it's probably the winter of 05, early 06, as emailing with Joe, might have been before even Facebooks, because we're friends on Facebook too.

But Joe goes, hey, says, how would you like to be involved in a campout? And this is a skookum cast. You're familiar skookum cast. And oh, yeah. So, and again, how many listeners are right now? I don't know, but hopefully times. Yeah. Time.

So, and this is right after, so skookum cast must have been 0, 4, 05 maybe. I remember the exact year, but it was prior to this. So, because I've dated here of June of 06. But, uh, because that's when I was up there. We were up there. So, so the previous winter, Joe's, hey, how'd you like to be part of a Bigfoot camp? I'm so, cool.

well give me your address so he so a couple days later I get I get this mailing yet as a pamphlet it's an envelope about an inch thick what the heck did Joe Bilar sent this and this was like a disclaimer it was a on and on and on and what they were trying to do is kind of create some kind of a habituation up near skook of meadows for the summer and they wanted people to occupy the specific camp spot throughout all summer long and in different groups if you can commit two days three days a whole week whole month whatever but they just wanted to have to have to have to have a continual occupation of this campsite. So once I started reading this documentation, we had two young boys then in a young chocolate lab. And I was reading, I said, oh, crap, they want

us to go up there alone. That doesn't be a big shindig of 5, 10, 15, 20, bigfoot enthusiasts. Oh, no, we got to go up to Skooka and Meadows to camp out by ourselves. Oh, crap, honey. So we ended up doing it. And at a great time. And actually, I mentioned I've got some photos, some things there, but there's another gentleman. Do you know Rick Knoll? Is that ring a bell? Yeah, dude. Well, I don't. I've never met Rick Knoll, but I know how he's involved

with things. Yeah, totally. So we go up to Skook and Meadows, like I said, and this would have been in the winter that we were making these arrangements to participate, so we picked a four or five-day window. I came took our trailer up and had the specific spot to go camp and all that.

Gated Road behind, had my mountain bike, had the Young Lab, Chuffet Lab, had my boys who were 17 years ago, so like seven and five, I guess. And we fiddly farted around for a couple days. Went out, did some wood knock and all that. And but right up behind our camp up a log and road, there's a lot of old logging history up there. And right up behind camp, you go 100, 200 yards up.

It's gated and probably 100 yards from camp on the road, off the main forest road that we camped. There's this very rough copy of that. a sign there with a rough sketching of a Bigfoot, I guess you want to call it. And I can't share with you now, but it's something I've got it right here. Historical Bigfoot activity zone and underlined and bold letters be aware. So I go riding up behind camp and all of a sudden this is, yeah, it's a sign there. I didn't shoot us.

I had to go give wife and get the kids come up and I took a picture and all this is really pretty cool. So I knew we were in the right, we were camping the right spot anyway. So I think our last morning, there was a road that kind of continued to the east for more recamped. And took the young lab out, had to go. We went out early in the morning, everyone still crashed out. And we probably went about two miles up. It's a good gravel road.

It goes right up along scuba meadows. I don't have two miles. It's gated. And there's a seasonal gate. It can open and close. So a dog and I go up there. Then we got up to a side road. And I love exploring.

Again, there's a lot of Elps sign up in there. I just, you know, always thinking to hunt. And I don't love to kill, but I love to hunt and pursue and be out there. So we took this little side gravel road and went up there a little ways, a half mile. I'm getting to the point where we're about ready to turn around. The pup, she's, I don't know, she's five, six, seven months old, just full of pea and vinegar and energetic and bouncing all over.

So we've been gone an hour or so. hour and a half and go up the side gravel road. It's all flat. It's just kind of a high valley, scook of meadows there, meadows and swampy stuff all around. And they go up the side road, and there's a little cut bank

on the right hand side of the road. As we're wandering through there, I look up on it, and I go, you've got to be crap. I didn't say crap, but you got to be crap. And up on the side hill, this is cut bank,

maybe five or six feet tall. There was this impression. You couldn't see the heel side of it so much, but the upper front port part, there's an impression, uh, 70 inches wide with toe indentations on it. One flat impression walking to this cut bank going up. And I go, you. So, uh, had my, had my phone with me, I think it was a phone. I might have been a, who knows, it could have been digital camera, probably was digital camera.

Uh, put my foot next to it, took a couple pictures and all. And my, my young lab, she's bouncing all over the place. I'm, I'm getting a little tick. I didn't bring a leash for her. because we're out in the middle of nowhere, it didn't be leash. She didn't get more than 10, 20 feet for me, but she's just jumping all over up and down my legs. And I'm afraid, scared it is she's going to jump on this. And this impression was, it was like it was on wet, a wet substrate or, you know, wet kind of a hill.

And it now is bone dry. It's, again, it's probably in June. And it was pretty, it was not a fresh, fresh impression had been there for a while. But it was soft enough that this impression had been made there with that look like, I mean, you can count five toes on it. and you just see the forefront of it. Again, just kind of the way the look, the way the impression was, the backside didn't leave a whole lot. And I said, you gotta be getting me.

This, I thought it was like a dang big foot track walking up this embankment, one step, and then up on top of the fat bank. And dogs bouncing all over. I'm trying to take a picture, and she's jumping around because all she wants to do is love and play and jump on you. So it took a few pictures of my foot next to it. Then we bailed out of there and met our two, two and a half, well, track back to camp.

Told my wife about it, and I had some casting material, but it was just far enough away. And I question it. There are some things about the track I wondered about. And I just, I don't know. So I got back home that night the following day, emailed Joe B. Lart, sent a picture. He was, holy crap. And I had heard of Rick Null's name. I'd never met it before and didn't have heard a whole lot.

He's one of those guys, again, kind of under the radar. So we made arrangements two weeks later to meet. Rick Null up there. And this in the middle of the Gifford Pinchill National Forest, it's actually, I mean, of all the time we'd spent up there, we'd seen like two vehicles and four or five days of camping up there. It doesn't get a whole lot of traffic. So wife and I went up

there like on a Thursday or Friday and met Rick up there. And walked in there. Well, there'd been some thunderstorms. That's summer thunderstorms up there. Let's go, girls. So you've been taking one of these little pink pills daily?

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Or 15 seconds to eat or Reese's? Perhaps it's true. Everything happens for a Reese's. And I told him, I was a little concerned. Now he's coming from the Seattle area, and he didn't seem to be asked concern. I said, man, I know we got some pretty good thunderstorms and some pretty good showers out of him. I didn't think it'd be an issue. Well, we make the stroll back up in that area.

And again, it's roughly. Like I said, it's all good gravel forest roads. It's just gated. And as we got back up in there. In addition to that, there's a lot of growth there, some of the mountain looping, which is a cool flowering plant and some other stuff. So as we got to that cut, I can swear this where it was. And you can maybe see a little impression, the little definition where I thought this might have been it.

And Rick was up there. he's walking around. He walked up on the cut bank and looked back in there and all that. He is telling us all his stuff and telling us some of the different tracking methods that are kind of cutting edge back then. Some different things they were playing with, whatever. But again, it's just what I saw the two weeks previous and I was there, we just could not find it. Well, I took pictures of what I thought was it. And as I came back home compared the pictures, yeah, we were at the exact same location where that impression was.

just the rain from two weeks earlier. And again, one of the little plants there, a little loop, and it went from this to like five or six inches. So it was the same exact plant. They'd grown. It was the same thing as just the thunderstorms, the summer thunderstorms, had just come up, you know, who knows, you can a half inch inch or two a rain in a short period of time, then that happens.

So we were right there, just there was nothing for him to really see outside of the photos I'd take a few weeks ago. But I said Joe Beeler wasn't excited enough to send Rick Null up there to me with it, But just, you know, summer thunderstorms kind of ruined it. And exactly what it was. I don't know. I'll say you the picture sometime, but it's. Yeah, that would be awesome. And you have pictures of the sign too?

Yeah. Oh, that would be so cool. So was this after, so this would have been asked. Okay, the Skookum cast was cast in September of 2000. Okay. So this is like a few years after that. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, but six years. Yeah. Yeah. It's not too bad. That's really that's such an interesting story Rick like way to wait so I had to jump the Joe the Joe Beeler name that's awesome dude that's an amazing like talk about my being involved with Rick Null and that's for Bigfoot history that's really cool yeah he didn't just seem to be too terribly impressed with it all but the fact that he just kind of missed the boat by two weeks and again I don't know what I found there but yeah when you see the pictures you might how how close to the did you

you were you aware of where the site of the actually Skookon cast? I'm pretty sure. I think we were with in less than a mile. I think it was the road slightly to the south of where we're a camp that we would have driven by. We were close on it. We were we were a camp right next to Skooka Meadows. So where that cast was made was not in Skooka Meadows is on the off the side of the road nearby. But I'm thinking where we were camped, it was all trying to.

relation-wise this wind all over close. That's amazing. That's such a cool, cool story. Yeah, it was just kind of, like I said, Joe B. Lart connects and all said, okay, that's cool. We're in with Joe B. Lart. Then he says, this thing, and we got to camp by herself. We're not part of a big camping group. Anyway, okay, great.

Whatever. We survived. There you go. And I may have found a track. So, I've got plenty more here. Are you still with me? I'm still with you, dude. I mean, dude, I've been doing this for five years. I'm still, you?

So I'm going to switch regions now. All right. This goes to the northeast Oregon, southwest or southeast Washington, the Wiena Hot Two Cannon Wilderness area. This is Paul Freeman country. Yeah, dude. And the Mill Creek watershed. And again, I'll go as chronologically as I can with this, most of this pretty much.

So first of all, the Mill Creek watershed is the watershed for the city of Walla Walla. And Paul Freeman, they've patrolled it for decades, 60 people out of the Mill Creek watershed. And water purity, you know, whatever. And Walla Wall, it's not a huge town. My name means it's grown tremendously in the last generation or so. They just protected it like crazy. Yeah, yeah.

And Paul Freeman was a, what they have watershed patrollers. So it's close to public entry, the watershed is. And it's a hole. It's, they give out elk tags in the straddles Oregon, Washington border. They give it elk tags, which are very highly coveted elk tags, because they just gave out a few. So the elk and grow, the bulls in there grow big mature because they're, they're lightly hunted.

No one's in there bugging them all year. You have like five or seven days out of the year that they have these hunts in there. And they're very difficult tags to get. Again, they just allow a handful of hunters in there. So it's just a coveted tag. People sneak in to poach because these big mature bull elk to hang out in there. And so they've got these patrol riders at spot and scope. They ride horses through the watershed.

They patrol the boundary. That's just big rugged country. You get along the upper perimeter of this, the canyon drops off like that. It's 60-70. I've always joke, you don't want to drop your bowling ball out here because you'll never get it back. And it drops, these canyons drop two or three thousand feet deep. It's just big, beautiful country. And obviously, what an ideal area for anything to live and not be bothered.

So Paul Freeman was one of the watershed patroller, a four-service employee watershed Shed patroler, and this is where he had the siding while he was employed by the forest ship. See, he may not have been on duty that day. I don't recall exactly, or a couple of times he's had encounters or sightings, whatever. But fortunately, I got to grow up. So where the watershed is on the cross the road from there is this big wilderness area, is one of the first wilderness series in Oregon, though we know how to can in wilderness.

Once again, no roads. It's open to public entry, but it's by trail only. You can't take bikes in there. You can take a chainsaw. You can hike it or ride by bikes. And again, very rugged country, this beautiful, awesome country. And there's just a bunch of history up there, Bigfoot. So, and I was fortunately because that's where my dad was hunting back in the days.

He had applied for that Mill Creek watershed. In about every 10, 12 years, you get the tag to hunt in the Mill Creek watershed. And my uncle had horses, and if they weren't hunting in this watershed, they were hunting over in the wilderness on horses. They'd pack in eight or 10 miles in the middle of the wilderness. And said, I was just fortunate being back in my early days on. And I got to go hunting this very remote, pristine, country in northeast Oregon.

So, some friends of my grandparents, Gene and Zola Howard, and again, this is going back decades. The watershed rider back, and I'm looking, this must have been in the 70s

of the guy by the name of Red. And then this is kind of a secondhand story from this Gene and Zola that they told my dad, when he was younger than my dad told me, but Gene would be in the

hoddrapping Zola haunted. But they knew Red, the watershed writer from Mill Creek Watershed. And this red told, I'll kind of, this is kind of verbatim, I guess, more or less. But this red told Jane Morris, he goes, he says, he lives, he lives there. This is in the Mill Creek Watershed talking about Bigfoot. He lives there.

We know each other. He says, I don't bother him. He doesn't bother me. Wow. So that's coming from the 70s, Mill Creek Watershed. Now, that being said, sidings up there, Mill Creek Watershed, and they can, they can climb up out of the watershed and cross the road and be into these other wilderness areas, big remote canyons and whatever.

And that's where there's been sightings back and forth over the years. Again, the watershed is not open to public entries. Unless you're a watershed patrol rider, you're accessing almost year around outside of the deep snow winter months. So anyway, yeah, that was that was what Red had to say. What happened to Red to make him say that? Like, that's, yeah. And you want to get out as I, yeah. And this Gene and Zola, again, Gina Zola were my grandparents' friends that lived up outside of Wash Sugar.

Washington. Yeah. And Gene, I think, was more than 100 with my grandfather. So, yeah, what caused or created that conversation back in the 70s between Gene and Red, the watershed rider high-hacknow idea? Because I'm going to throw a couple other stories out. You've already encounters and experiences and talking in conversations with these most recent watershed patrollers.

Oh, okay. It will totally negate anything you have to say about it, but we'll get to those. So that's why it was a good thing we're kind of doing this. region by region. So anyway, that was what Redhead said. We know each other. I don't bother him. He doesn't bother me. Later on in 1979, roughly, October 79, which would have made me 15. And so, again, my uncle had horses, him and my father are hunting partners, hunting buddies. So we'd drive into this remote little campground on the edge of the wilderness. Then we'd take horses in. Roughly eight to ten miles. High Ridge is a good, just neat country. Very few people back there. You had the whole, you had a wilderness area. But that was, I was. I wouldn't say to yourself because Elkhund was pretty popular back then. Anyone could get a tag, but still is just kind of a unique kind of experience. And here I am a teenager getting the opportunity to go back in there. So there's a canyon back in there, and I hesitate to name it.

So I won't because there's, we have another, I have another story that kind of follow along. But to get back in the wilderness, one of the canyons, we get back in there on this long ridge, and you had some canyons, then these canyons are holes. Again, you don't want to drop your bowling ball back there. But my father and I huts down in the bottom of this one canyon one day. And as we were, you don't go in the bottom of these canyons unless you really ought to. Because once you get the bottom, you have to get your butt out back to camera. It's not forgiving country.

It's beautiful. And I was a young kid back then. I'd love to go out there these days just to see it from my perspective and age now because I haven't been in there in probably 30 plus years. But anyway, this particular canyon. We get in the bottom of it, and again, we're elk hunting. And as we're working up the bottom, there's game trails and stuff. And we're working up the bottom. And all of a sudden we get to an area.

It's getting to mid-afternoon, whatever. Weather's really nice for, this is late October, too, when the elk seasons are. In the bottom, and all of a sudden we get to a spot where we're going to start climbing back out of the canyon. And I'm talking a good hour hike and probably closer to two because it's just a nonstop grind climbing up out of there. And we get to a point in the bottom where all of a sudden all the game sign, Elk sign in particular, but there's all kinds of other stuff from there, too. But all of a sudden, it's just the trails just kind of, even though there's just like no sign and it became just dead quiet. And I remember to this day and my dad made the same comment back then, it was just an eerie.

And again, you're in the bottom of a canyon where the bottom of the walls on both sides are growing up. Where on the bottom of this canyon, it just became just an eerie feel down there. And again, this will play into another story here in a bit. And dad made it, no birds, it's just no life. It was just kind of an eerie, dead, quiet, silent canyon bottom. And then we proceed to climb out and that was it. But I just remember that because it was just, I've never been so tuned in to know, I think that something's watching me or whatever,

and whether it's my wife or a Bigfoot or a Cougar or whatever, I've never had those senses. I don't think. But we're in the bottom of there, and it was just weird. It was just a weird day. I had calm, silent canyon bottom. So we climbed out of there, and that said that's really kind of the end of that. So a year later, we're back in that same country, again, the end of October.

This has been roughly, I think, 1980. And this canyon is probably four or five, six miles long. It's just kind of from the headwaters where the drainage starts. It just kind of works just way, way down to the river. But we were up at the upper end of the drainage on a pack trail. and we're hiking out one day, and we got to the head, and we had a breeze kind of coming up, that drainage. And we had a section there where we had like an ungodly smell. And it was midday, the thermals and all that, the air is starting to get warm up, is warming up and rising.

But as it's working its way up that drainage, we're going to a little patch of timber, some open hill size. And we got to a section there where it just, it was just a deathly steam. ink cane stench. There's elk hunters in there. Someone could have killed an elk down on that little patch of timber below us a couple hundred yards. And a couple days later, the guts and whatever might have been getting rotten. And it might have been, but it might have been just working its way up with that afternoon breeze or whatever. I don't know, but I just always remember that stench coming out of the same canyon that we had this little eerie experience down deeper the previous year.

So what it was we smelled. I don't know. The thing is, as we walked, we went through about a 50 yard, maybe 100 yard section of this trail, and all of a sudden we're out of that. So we were within the cone of whatever was the cost of this odor. We just went through the cone and walked through it within a minute or two, and then you're out of it. But it was just kind of, it was just kind of stomach for a good. It very easily could have been an elk that someone had harvested down there and clean. And then we were just smelling what left because body parts don't think smell real good if they've been sitting out in the sun or aging for a couple years,

especially if they're outside of your body. So, so, so yeah, just the stench, the strong smell of the head of that canyon. You just listened to part one

of Rick Razmer's Bigfoot Adventures in the Pacific Northwest. We'll be back in about a week with part two. You won't want to miss it. It does get pretty wild.

I mean, the stuff we've already heard, Rick Knoll, Paul Freeman related. It does get crazier, though, so make sure you're subscribed so you don't miss out

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