Bigfoot Society - 30 Years of Bigfoot Encounters with Rick Rasmor, Pt. 2

Episode Date: August 14, 2023

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Visit your nearby Lowe's on West Pico Boulevard in Los Angeles. Anyway, guy comes out, hunts our gas. He starts talking about the dog and you have birds. He goes, yeah, that's my second lab and I love bird out and I just love getting out. Then he looks at me, you know, and asks about grouse something. He goes, yeah, we hunt almost anything. Then he goes, yeah, there's a real good place up the Clackamas. Then he kind of tilts us head.

He goes, you ever heard of Bigfoot Acres? Bigfoot acres. You don't know? Oh, boy. Yeah. So it's a little place outside of Estiquita. He gave me some rough direction. directions I don't I didn't make no there's enough roads and left area up there ever heard of

bigfoot acres no and so he told me you up this one road go here there you park there and all that and there's all kinds of grouse it says so why's it called bigfoot acres he goes bigfoot matter of fact he go is he there and the kid goes shakes his head and turns to walk away helps another car just pulled in welcome back to bigfoot society the podcast where we talk to those who have experienced and research bigfoot if you're into bigfoot and Sasquatch, Harryman, all that good stuff, you are in the right place. And this week's episode, we'll be doing part two of my chat with Rick Rasmir, and it gets even deeper into his stories from the Pacific Northwest,

and we'll jump right back in to hearing some more, perhaps Paul Freeman-related incidents. It just gets crazier from here. Please take a minute to subscribe to whatever platform you're listening to Bigfoot Society on. It's free. It doesn't cost a thing and it really helps us out. And please share this episode with all your friends that are into Bigfoot and all your online Bigfoot groups. All right.

Without further ado, let's get back into our chat with Rick Rasmir from the Pacific Northwest. Roughly 10 years later, we're hunting the same general area in the wilderness. And my dad heard tree knocking. You know, we'd split up. He was on a side canyon. So this is roughly October again, elk season of 1990. And just a continual, he and I were separated by a mile. I think I'd made a hunt around into another canyon working my way back to up to where I'd meet him. And he's on this little side canyon, kind of a brushed chagin, kind of a brushed canyon. Again, it's all the wilderness area. And I heard chop, he said, it sounded like someone cut in wood. Just continue, chop, chop, chop. And it was off and on. It was kind of, I don't remember if there's a cadence to it or whatever. and but it was a wood knocking type of sound and it wasn't an area there was anyone camped or cut in firewood and I think right before got to my dad he was as he's working his way kind of up into this drainage

this timber drainage he saw a bull elk down there kind of coming from the same area where the shopping sand was coming from but elk when they do bang trees with their antlers especially not any bulls do they knock the velvet off late in the summer during the route when they're in their rating season in September, early October, they will, they will rake trees and all that, but they don't chop. They don't chop. Chop.

They, they, they scrape and rattle their antlers like crazy. So, so this, this sound, this chopping went on for quite a while. You know, whenever you hear about wood knocking, you don't hear about repetitive knocking for an hour or so. So it's just, we heard, he heard wood knocking that lasted off and on for an hour that we not too can't allow us again. And what the answer was, could have been that bull elk, but that doesn't make a lot of sense.

That's not typically the kind of knocking they do with their antlers on wood. But again, coming all out of that same country and smells and feelings and sensations and then wood knocking. It's very weird. Yeah. All of that same area over 10 years. Yeah. Well, and for decades prior to and obviously decades after there's been, you know, sightings and stories and counters coming out of there.

So I just, again, these are a piece of the puzzle. I don't have a specific answer for any of them. But I do have actually a little better answer. Cut, it plays into all that. So it was right around, it might have been that same year, might have been a year after we were hunting deer in southeast Oregon. I see my picture, glumming in now that you're seeing the outside. It's not that big deal.

there's a highly coveted deer tag in southeast Oregon called the Trout Creek Mountains. Rifle deer tag takes about 12 to 15 years ago. It's all high desert. It's 5, 6, 7, 8,000 foot desert country, aspens and all that stuff, not Bigfoot country, even though it's near the Jarbridge in Nevada, which has some history as well. But the thing is, there's an ironic meeting. Again, this is right around the same time. So Dad and I are down there hunting.

It was either around 89, 90, 91. on again, it would probably be in early October, where Elf seasons are late October, the deer seasons are typically like the first week of October. And we're driving around. It gets to be midday. It's getting pretty hot out. We pull over and all of a sudden, I can't remember this rig was parked there and we drove up on them or we were parked in there and drove on us.

And all of a sudden, well, here pops out these two good old good old boys and call. And I'm talking, heck, we're talking 33, 33 years ago. We're out. A couple good old boys. Well, we started talking with them. they live up in the Pendleton, Milton Freewater area, which is right up there on the edge of the Blue Mountains, which is the Mill Creek Watershed.

We had to hunt two-caddened us. So we start chit-chat with them and find out their cattle ranchers. I remember their cattle rashes or wheat ranchers or what. So they start talking about that country up there, and they hunt up in that country, my dad goes, and is they're saying this, so I go, hell. So my dad pipes in, he goes, well, that's where he hansom been hunting up there for 30 years in the wilderness.

So I remember this one, almost. verbatim as well. So all of sudden, one of those cowboys, and these guys, so 33 years ago, my dad would have been in his mid-50s. These guys are probably 70-ish. And all of a sudden, one of the guys kind of stops, it kind of tilts his head and asks my dad, do you ever see anything in there? And so my dad kind of, I caught me off guard, this old cowboy saying this, and we're out in the high desert of southeast Oregon, and we're 200 miles from Bigfoot country. And he just kind of stepped forward. Do you ever see anything in there? Weird or something? And, uh, My dad kind of takes a second and goes, you mean Bigfoot?

And again, my dad's not a believer by any means, but just how he even responded that way, I expect he probably would, especially with a question like that being asked. And so the guy goes on a tell us, and they talk, they know Paul Freeman, both these ranchers. He's done some work with their rashes over the years. He's just kind of big, old, easygoing, happy, go lucky guy. And said that they had been approached back in those days by some researchers of some sort. I don't remember specific. I mean, they were bigfoot research about what their credentials were, I don't recall. But so I can't remember both the cowboys or one of them had, but they had contact or they'd been in touch with these cowboys, they're this cowboy slash cowboys, wanted them to take these researchers into that we know how to can in two cannon wilderness.

So one of the cowboys did take them in and took them into the canyon I was referring to earlier where I had this weird, this weird, eerie sensation. My dad and I worried heard the, there smelled the stench the year later. They took these researcher guys into the bottom of that canyon. Coincidentally. And then I remember this is the word for word thing. The cowboy looks at my dad and says, as sure as I'm standing here, that thing exists. Wow. So this is, like I said, some 70-year-old cowboy dude from the Blue Mountains that we meet in the high desert of Oregon that has taken researches into the bottom of this canyon in the wilderness.

And as sure as I'm standing here, that thing exists. So probably one of the more interesting stories I've got. They said they found tracks. It looked like family of three, a large track, a smaller track, and then a small one. They said it looked like the small one and the big one got into a major bout. Ground torn to heck, just rototilled. But I also remember the Cowboys saying there was poop feces there. And he goes, for some reason, those researchers didn't take a sample.

Man, this is crazy, right? because I'm like, this is where I know someone in the comments is going to be like, come on, Jeremiah, that was totally this researcher and this research. Put it in the comments so I can know. And again, this is right around 1990. So we're talking obviously a while back. And when that experience or encounter happened where this cowboy took these researchers in to the way not to Canada wilderness and went to the bottom of the canyon,

I don't know how far previously. And I can't remember one when, let me see. Paul Freeman had his first encounter, at least like an 83-ish, I think. Yeah, well, it was year close. It was June 82, year while-a-wala. Yeah, so pretty much, yeah. So, and I'll get to that too because I've camped at D-Duct Springs many of times. But anyway, this is just this random encounter.

We meet a couple of old conjure cowboys out in the high desert, and it ends up as sure as I stand here, that thing exists. That's amazing. Yeah. Wow. And that's, I mean, word for word, I remember that. So now who the guys were. And then the conversation swayed from there. And then they had deer tags that took them 10, 12, 15 years ago.

We had deer tags took as equally as long. And then, hey, guys, that's the luck. And that was basically the end of our conversation meeting. So that's incredible. Yeah. So fast forward. I had a special elk tag up in that country a couple times now. probably 10 years ago, 11 years ago.

And we met a couple that live up, up Milk Creek. So you have the Mill Creek watershed where it comes out of the watershed area that's close to public entry. It drains, I don't know, it runs 15 miles until it hits the Walla, Walla River near the Town of Walla. I think it hits Walla River. It could be a Tusha River too. But Milk Creek, as it leaks comes out of as you leave the town of Walla Walla and you start heading up into the foothills of the Blue Mountains, it wanders. It goes along the Washington side. then it kind of winds up into, or winds down into Oregon,

then curls back up into the watershed. And we met a couple. I won't go on all the details how we met them, but that lived right on Mill Creek, probably within five miles of the watershed. And they live right on the creek. We had mutual friends that were so random. It was kind of silly.

And we're sitting on this cool little creek in early fall 10 years ago, eating watermelon, had a beer or two. And the topic, Bigfoot comes up because they live, he's a dirt bike rider. He's got buddies at dirt bike, and they ride their quads all around the, on the roads between the watershed and the will. I was, huh? Wendy. Yeah, Mark and Wendy.

So, um, so, uh, one evening we're down at their house along Milk Creek. And it's a warm evening. And I said, it's probably, it's probably early to mid-September now. So it's not too late in the year, but nice are getting cold. The days are getting warm still. And the topic of Bigfoot comes up. And Mark, who, uh, owned a local, uh, motorcycle dealership in Walla Walla. and his wife, silly and goofy, neat gal.

He's not a believer. She's a believer. Now, again, we're talking this roughly 10 years ago. So Mark is not a believer, but he told us a story. And they've got a couple acres, the gravel road that goes up Mill Creek and go take you up into the forest splits their property. So their house is on one side, along the creek side, then across the property, they've got an acre or two.

He's got some big boulders and a bumpy. dirt bikes and there's all kinds of crazy stuff there. So he said a number of years early, and I can't remember how many years earlier. They were out there one evening, early 2000. And it's kind of brushing and timbery. And as you get up across the creek across the property, it starts, the hill climbs up. This probably goes 1,500 feet up. It's all south-facing slope and it's low enough elevation.

It's all pretty much open, grassy hillside for the most part. You get the sun hits it. It's hot and dry in that part of the state, especially during the summers. And there's little brushy drainage and draw. has to come down. But down along the lower part, there's quite a bit of timber. So again, this is Mark, the husband, is not a believer. He says, in the evening, and again, I don't have a ton of specifics on it. Again, roughly early 2000s, a deer came running down off the hill through the trees and comes flying right by them. And he runs across their property. And they look up in the trees

where the deer came from, and which is just to the north. They caught a glimpse of what looked like a chimpanzee. And that and again, as I'm looking, no, it says he's not a believer, but to this day, he questions what they saw. And I can't remember if wife Wendy saw the same thing or not. But I said wife, Wendy's a believer. He's not. But he told me that one story. This deer comes flying across. And there's a lot of deer down. There's a lot of white tail deer in the lower elevations. You got mule there up higher. Most likely is a white tail. Who knows? But the thing came just flying across. They look up where it came from and it looks like a chimpanzee. It's small. Some fat is really weird.

And he's not a believer. But he saw a chimpanzee. Wow, Rick. I don't know. Yeah. A couple more. Then I'm going to move on to local stuff. You still with me?

I'm still here. I'm here, man. I'm as well as far as. I like sharing this stuff. It's pretty cool. This is the stuff you can't find in books. And this is not if I love. I don't think he can find it in books, right?

Eric. No, no, definitely not. Only book ever. I don't know. The only book ever written. It's called an Excel spreadsheet. There you go. With this stuff.

So, um, up in that. same country. This is one personal experience. There's a cool little lake up there called Jubilee Lake. And we went camping up there. This is 08, July 5th, 08. And my wife actually came across some pictures we're looking at today. So my, I keep saying my boys, our boys,

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Blue Mountains, the east side of the Blue Mountains hidden towards the town of Elgin, so kind of of in a general area, and how many people ignore that sad or been there? I don't know. We go out mid-morning, 11ish or so, and go out just a plane 22s for half hour or so leave Mom at camp, and so she can babysit the dog. I don't want to go out with us or not. So we go out, main gravel roads south of Jubilee Lake, head to the east a little bit of a mile or two, and found a little log in the road that was closed off. We drove like 50 yards down. gated off, which is fine. And I can't remember we put some targets out there.

So behind us to the north is a big timber patch. It hasn't been long. And sizable. Little Creek drainage coming through. And again, this is, even though it's something I experienced or we experienced, it's very anecdotal. I have no idea. So we go out there and start shooting the 22s.

Plink, plink, plink. Boys didn't know anything. And there's, again, the heat of the day started to warm up, a little high mountain breeze, and there's squirrels and chipmunks, and there's birds flying around. But after I heard the first one, it caught my attention. I didn't at first, but my dog's getting all excited outside.

And now there's birds that can make a whooping noise. Don't know exactly what birds they are. They said that this started when we started plinking the 22s, and it was way off to the north, hundreds yards away, coming from that big patch of timber. And then I got a second series of three or four whoops. And again, mid-day, mid-morning, 10-ish, 11 o'clock or whatever.

So again, I just, I heard whoops. And the boys, whether they heard of me not, I can't remember if I even pointed them out. Then I think I heard two series of three or four whoops each, and that was it. But for the archives, I just made note of it. I heard whoops. It could have been a bird. And it could not have been.

not saying what it was or what it wasn't but up in that part of the world you just have to I said I just document it make notes and I move on so Mill Creek Watershed which again is a close of public entry for all but like seven days out of the year for El Cunners outside of the wilderness riders there the wilderness patrol

I kill it though yeah so back in 1996 my father and I had the elk tag for the Mill Creek Watershed. And again, this is a really highly committed tag. It takes 10, 12, 15 years to get the darn thing. And watershed rider gal then, her name was Rowena. And she had been a, she had worked for outfitters and guides for most of her life.

So she was, she was a horse gal. She was an outdoorsy. She guided. She camp cook. She did all kinds of stuff. And she was, I mean, if I wasn't to get lost in the woods or needed to be defending the woods, this is the gal I wanted to be there. She was the rough and tumble gal.

didn't take crap. And her and my dad, her and my father got a long grade. They just chit-chatted. We talked with her a couple times. And I just remember my dad bringing up the topic because my dad's always been interested in the topic of Bigfoot. He's not,

I said not a believer by any means. Not says, doesn't believe it, but he doesn't really believe. But he brought up topic. My dad will bring a million topics during a conversation. But he brought it up with a throwing. And again, I think I've gone back to about 1996.

And she just, And she's, because there's a couple of pack trails that go up through the wilderness, or excuse me, through that watershed. Again, there's no public access or entry outside of the one week out of the year. Sure. And over the course of time, a lot of those trails, there's three or four of them that go up a couple of creek bottoms and then up on the ridges. And this is what Roeena and the other watershed patrolers have used over the years just riding through the watershed. But for all intents of purposes, they should never encounter anyone there. And that's her main purpose is to keep people out of the watershed.

So they typically patrol the perimeter of the watershed, as opposed to the heart of it. But she'd ride those trails. She loved riding horses, so she'd ride those trails often enough. But there's no real maintenance up there. And the winters are rough and brutal and just the nature of the mountains. Trees fall down, downfalls, a brush grows up and all that. So some of those trees have slowly just disappeared over time. So I think she just had a couple trails she did like to ride.

And then the rest of time is just driving vehicles up around the perimeter, the higher elevations and just making sure that trying to keep making sure people to start sneaking the watershed for whatever purpose or reason. But anyway, my dad did bring up the topic with her and she's, you know, she was adamant. Now, and going back to my conversation or my story earlier about Red, the patrol writer back in the 70s, you know, you know each other and I don't bother him, he doesn't bother me. So Roanis is it that I've, you know, and she's been patrolling at that point in 96, she'd been in patrol.

I think she was down to her last year too prior to retirement at that point. but she'd been patrolling for 15, 16, 17 years. I've never seen anything. That was her story. So now there's a Hispanic gentleman. I can't remember his name. I've talked to them a couple times. And I actually encountered him last year in end of August.

Big guy, he takes his job extremely seriously. Because he is a Forest Service employee. And some of the roads around there, you can't have ATV, side-by-sides, It's dirt bikes unless there's street legal and licensed. And he enforces that law of the T's. So he doesn't only enforce the law of keeping people out of the watershed. He does actually patrol some of the adjacent forest roads up there. You get a lot of people up there with some dirt bike trails that are real popular,

but you can only stay on those trails. So anyway, I said I ran into him last year. We chit chat about previously about eight years earlier. We had another elk tag up there. My wife and father and I, maybe the kids are with us. I can't recall. I can't remember his name now. And again, as a neat guy, very adamant about his position and his job. But eight years ago, once again, my dad throws the Bigfoot topic at him, like you did Rowena, the Gal Patrol, patroller, 10, 15 years earlier, that Bigfoot.

Interesting thing about this Hispanic gentleman, he was adamant. It doesn't exist. But he starts throwing stuff out there. He starts throwing out details that only those that really follow. would research the subject or no. They've never found a bone. Never found bones. There's never been a body. Oh, sure, yeah. He starts throwing more out there that a naysayer or someone in denial or protecting

would throw out there. He knew a lot more about the topic than I've never seen one. It was just interesting. Oh, yeah. As dad was talking to him, this, yeah, he's not in there. They're never found bones, never found a body. And he threw some other things out there. This says, how do you even know they haven't unless you've actually researched a subject?

And again, this Rowena and this gentleman are in the same position that Paul Freeman had, right, Joel in Milk Creek Watershed. So, and Red from 1970. So I never met Paul Freeman. Red, I never met him about these last two. So Rowena is riding her horses through the wilderness on the watershed on trails that don't see people theoretically ever. So she has a Milk Creek watershed to herself. and this gentleman here, I don't think he's a horse guy as much as he is probably a driving his truck around the perimeter, up the perimeter. But he used to do stuff out there if he doesn't exist and you have no interest or knowledge.

He didn't say he had no interest in knowledge, but from the way his response is he had an interest in knowledge in the topic. And maybe he never has seen or anything. But anyways, it was interesting. His response said there doesn't exist. And they've never found bones. There's no pictures on and on. So it was just an interesting response from a patrol watershed patrol. And then maybe he's, I said, maybe he's being honest.

He has never seen anything. And here's the reasons why, because he doesn't exist, because there are no bones or pictures or bodies. So last story on this. And yeah, this is my own experience. It was just weird. So I had that elk tag, archery elk tag this last summer. And I just said a weird thing. This is outside the watershed, Mill Creek Watershed is.

It's outside the way not to the canon wellness, but it's adjacent drainage. Again, a very difficult tag to get. They don't give out a lot of tags, have the whole world yourself really, and it's just neat, remote country. I'm at the bottom of this one canyon. It's not a real deep canyon. Open timber, you can see for shoot 100, 150 yards, big trees, a little bit of brush, some downfalls, but just open country.

And I had elk in there, bugling, I was getting tours and all right. And there's some other hunters in that unit, but I have. I hadn't seen any vehicles or anyone that where I was going into is dropping this little side canyon. The road drives goes right along the ridge next to it. So not overly remote, but still just a lot of country. I get down the bottom, it's getting late afternoon. So right now it's what almost 7 o'clock here is probably right at the same time last hour or two at daylight. Get down there.

I've got some milk bugle and all that stuff. And I'm walking down. I had to hike from where I parked up high. It's probably about a 20-minute hike. And it gets down this big open or open timbered flats. shoot four or five of yards across. And I can see real well, and I'm walking through the timber. And all sudden I hear this deep, deep voice, seven.

And as someone said, the number seven. And I stopped. I thought, crap, is there someone else down here? Because there's bull elk bugling. That's what we're all hunting for. Did I stumble on some hunters in here? And right where the noise came from to my kind of from front of me to the left, 50, 75 yards it seemed.

I mean, I can see the whole day. for us. It's a big open timber. There's no one there. I'm not, well, if there's hunters down there, it was a human voice with a very deep, deep, gutteral, throaty voice. Seven. I stop and I go, well, I'm back out of this. There's other hunters down here. I'm not going to go infringe on them. If they're, working these elk that are down here bugling and calling us, I don't, I don't need any conflict if they're already down here. So I stopped and I sat down for about five or ten minutes. And the, The voice I heard that the seven should have been within my view of my line of sight as open timber, little clumps of brush here.

There's nothing that would hide anyone. I mean, they could be behind a tree and you'd out of sight, whatever. But I stay there for about five or ten minutes and there's no one there. So that was just weird. So I thought, well, I'm going to start walking very cautiously and maybe someone is there. Maybe they're sitting there waiting. And maybe they saw me. Maybe they didn't.

Maybe they're so focused on these elk that are a couple hundred years away. creaming and bugle into the timber out further than a flat towards where the creek is in the bottom. And I start walking, and there's been a lot of elk in there. There's really good game trails, even though there's downfalls. It's dry, bone dry, it's snappy and crunchy. So I started walking real slowly because if there's hunters there, says, I just, I heard you say seven. I don't know why you said the number seven. And, but if there's hunters there, is, okay, then I'll get out of your hair.

I'm not becoming friends. But I started walking. I've been there. I said been five or ten minutes. I never saw a soul. And why I didn't hear it in my head, but I heard a deep voice say seven. And very, very, very, like this deep roadie.

That's some weird stuff, man. Yeah. And I'm a realist, man. That's just, I can't explain it. But once again, just some notes for the archives. Okay, can I get into chapter three, final chapter? Heck yes. Right.

My local neighborhood, Mount Hood, and the Northern Oregon Cascades. Several. Again, the same thing. It's just friends, acquaintances, whatever. So I mentioned a little bit ago about these twin brothers, good friends of mine. Rob and Dennis will call them. And that's what their wives call them, too.

They grew up in Esikato, which is the Clackamas River, which is the Bigfoot Highway that Joe wrote his book about. And they grew up in Little Community of Esakato, which is growing like crazy now. But they lived a few miles south of, or excuse me, west of Esticada. And there's a main highway that goes from the Portland metro area, Milwaukee, and south to Esticata. And they lived about a mile off the highway down in, down in, right along the Columbia River.

And a little bit, kind of, he referred to as hippie commune. His dad was a Vietnam that mom just salt the earth neat gal. They just lived in this little communal neighborhood off the highway. And again, we're talking now in this 70s, probably, early 80s. And I lived in this, I can't remember the name of the neighborhood, but 10, 15 homes where you go out across the flash and kind of drop down to the level of the Clackamas River down there. So one brother, Dennis, and again, as I look at my notes here, mid-70s, they had a yellow lab named Moon. them. And again, the bus would drop them off on the highway. So they had like a mile walk to home. And they're out in the country. They're, they're mountain kids and all that. And no one, it wasn't that big a deal back then. Your kids walked a mile to the bus stop in the morning. They walked a mile home down when the bus dropped them off in the afternoon. So for some reason it was just one of them. It was just Dennis. Rob wasn't with him. I don't remember the whole reason why. But so and but every time, every day in the afternoon, I guess Moon, their yellow lab would walk them to the bus in the morning and go home. then Moon would go to the mild jaunt up to the highway and be there waiting for the boys get off the bus in the afternoon after school.

So Dennis gets off the bus one afternoon, Moon's sitting there waiting for him. And it probably got a roughly a half mile across some flat, open pastory stuff. And the road just kind of starts winding down to the Clackamas River bottom, three, four, five, hundred foot elevation drop, roughly, all timber. And this is the twin brothers. So Dennis, he's walking, he goes across the flat. He starts walking the gravel road heading down the side hill and it's a timber. And all of a sudden he said, moon just stops and starts staring up from the timber. And again, this is where I started kind of feeling at least I think he was looking off to the right downhill.

And all of a sudden, all hell breaks loose. And this big, tall, dark hair covered thing takes off running through. There's ferns and trees, a lot of brush and all that takes off running. And I remember one of the things, there was a tall standing snag or stuff. The thing ran through this stump and the thing exploded. The stumped it and kept on running. And also, in addition to the stump that exploded that this thing ran through, one other thing it really reminds me, I sticks to my mind,

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Everything happens for a Reese's. And to this day, that just looked like you had an arrow quiver stuck over its shoulder, over its back over its shoulders. So, because you've heard stories of clothing and whatever I have over the years. I don't know. And then he goes, yeah, and how he reacted whatever, but then him and Moon continue to walk at home and that was the end of the story. So that's the only experience Dennis ever had. And the funny thing is, whenever he and I do talk about it, he goes, I don't share that

story. It's anyone. And his twin brother, they do, I mean, these are twin brothers that they're still attached to the hip. They've been involved in business. They're both in early retirement in their late 50s, been home builders. They talk daily. They do a lot of stuff together.

their wives are good friends. They've done a lot. Dennis will not bring the topic up around his twin brother, Rob, because Rob Lassette. So the one thing in their entire lives that they probably don't share is, I mean, they've obviously shared it. But Dennis just doesn't share it with anyone. As we know, a lot of people don't share their stories or encounters. No, they don't. Or they wait until they're retired and not a cop anymore. That's a big thing, too.

Right. Yeah, there's that too. So anyway, that's a story. And he and I don't even talk about it, but like every five years or so. six, seven, who knows, we might be having a beer or something, but I already know his story. He already knows he shared it with me, and there's no reason to talk any more about it. I did invite him actually that thing that Joe Beulart sent us up to by Skook and Meadows again, however many years ago, 15, 16, 17, 18, I don't remember. But I didn't invite Dennis, but he just, yeah, he had his experience, his encounter, and that's, he's good of that. So, so moving on to that, another gentleman, this guy played some softball with and against.

years ago back, going back probably in the 80s. And then through a mutual hunting forum that we both belong to, he saw my name on there and he's active on this and this is going back several years as well. But up here where I live, where we live right at the base of Mount Hood, the Salmon, Huckleberry Wildness, you got Mount Hood Wilderness. You got the Bull Run watershed, which is the water, the watershed for the Portland metropolitan area, which is a much larger watershed Mill Creek for Walla Walla. This is a watershed that's feeding hundreds of thousands of people, not tens of thousands. and close a public entry.

So we're, and we're up, I mean, we've got mountains. We've got welding us everything around here. So this gentleman Scott, who I got to have played ball with, he shared a story with me again several years ago, but we have three rivers that come together down here, the Salmon River, the Sandy River, and the Zigzag River. And there's a cool little golf course, beautiful golf course actually right where these rivers come together.

And also used to be some fantastic salmon and sealhead fishing. in the day, not nearly as fruitful as it used to be. But he told me a story a while back where he was going to fish one of the, he's going down the golf course to access the Salmon River to go fishing one morning and saw, had a big foot run across the fairway in front of him, like right at daybreak. And yeah, right off the backside of that salmon river, it's just all salmon Huckleberry wilderness,

which has its own number of stories and encounters and sightings from, began over the decades. So, you know, as simple as that. It was a little bit about in the 80s, early 90s, yeah, early morning. And there's some homes, a really nice homes, a lot of this golf course on some sides,

but once you get to that riverside, it's all Willis on the back side, but he, you get Bigfoot. I don't remember exactly said, just something tall and hairy, but he, we were messaging back and forth,

I think email or whatever messaging to this hunting forum. Maybe I can't recall exactly how the communication exchange, but told me about, you know, that had Bigfoot right across the ding, fairway this golf fairway in front of the way to go fish salmon rid of one more which would have been midsummer because that's typically it was a summer steelhead fishery which july august september

october is the really prime season their time of year for that fishery back in the day one of those popular fishery and again the whole area highway 26 it goes over mount hood there's the cliff has mentioned several stories there's been some other stuff i mean where we live here i've I throw off a number of stories I've heard over the years. But these are just stories I've heard. There are people I personally know and or have heard those stories from them. Another acquaintance of mine, a little further south, Timothy Lake is a big popular lake in the North Cascades. Here's just south of Mount Hood.

Acquaint to mine, I don't know him real well, but he's a good friend. But another good friend of mine, which I'll get to a bit. but he was right around 2000 hunting again from our house here he's he's probably 20, 30 miles south of here. Remote little area right along there's a big, or a Worm Springs Indian Reservation that we can't hunt on, but he is down there hunting one evening. He had camp in this remote little camp spot, not even a campground, just spite and park a grid, hiked in a mile or two and elk make a lot of noise during their mating season. the elk rebugling and all that.

And they said all of a sudden, it found like that, it just shut off. And it was late in the evening, but he thought it was just kind of weird, the way they just shut down. And he was in the timbre, their echoing all over at,

and it was late enough. I don't think he could really hump, but he just kind of out of a late evening scout for the next day. And he had a buddy coming up to meet him that night to camp with him. So, so this guy, he goes back to his truck. I can't remember if he had a canopy on the bed of his pickup.

kind of think that's what it was. And so he gets back to his truck, it gets roughly that time of your archery season is probably getting dark 9, 9.30. So it gets in the bed of his pickup around 10. Again, I don't remember all the exact details. But about a half hour after he's in his pickup, all of a sudden his truck shutters, the shakes.

And he wasn't expecting his buddy there until later. I can't remember midnight-ish, after midnight, whatever. I mean, it's not that far out there from the Portland Metro. I don't remember where his buddy is coming from, but what the whole schedule was. But he's expecting his buddy later than, and no vehicles came up because he's a pretty remote part of the forest where he wasn't on a main road. He's off the side road back in up back in the timber there. I don't know exactly where he's camp, but I have a pretty good idea. And the truck shutters.

And he goes, my buddy's screwing with me. No headlights. And it's dead quiet out that time of night. You'd have heard a vehicle within a half mile or a mile of you approaching. Headlights or heard a vehicle. Heard nothing. And the truck should, I came here if I did it more than once. May have, may not have.

But it freaked him out. And I thought his buddy's screwing with him. And I can't remember if he didn't, if he couldn't fall asleep, if he opened his canopy and shown a flashlight, I don't remember any of those details at all. But I know it really kind of waked him out. And then a couple hours later, his buddy shows up, whether it was midnight or so.

Again, I can't remember specifics. But he and I had that conversation a number of years ago. But he just, what shook my truck to me at the little night, in the late evening. So, and he's got, I've got another story with him here in a little bit. So something, something bumped his truck at night. So next story up the Clackamas River, which is kind of all the Clackamas River area as well. Again, Joe Beilard's country.

A good friend of mine, Sean, and this looks like this is probably around 2002 now. So again, we're going back a little bit. but he's hunting up there with his father, and I think his brother, and they're up a remote little road, and some older clear cuts up there. And Sean climbed up the hill. And again, just kind of the picture I've got,

they parted at a dead end road and probably a big round gravel turnabout. So the trucks parked there, him and his dad, and again, maybe brother. I think brother was with him. And Sean starts working his way up the hill, deer hunting, I believe. So it would have been early August.

or excuse me, early October. So Sean watches way up a hill, gets way up above this older clear cut. The clear cut is, I'm going to estimate, because trees in this country can grow back pretty quick within five or ten years. You're starting to get some trees that are probably, I know, it's 10, 20 foot tall if they've been replanted. You got way up above on the clear cut, and he gets up there and he can see their pickup, whether they're truck parked way down below, and whether it's 200 yards or a thousand yards,

I don't know, is waist down there, I'm sure. then all sudden down below Sean and this I again from what I recollected it was probably midday early late at or late morning midday early afternoon all sudden down below Sean on a pretty steep slope this big boulder goes flying straight up in the air really and comes down thing is you didn't hear the sud of it coming down then this big boulder goes back up in the air and comes down and I don't remember how many times it happened two three four five times I recall but he's going someone's screwing with me here. And if I recall, he said something, he thought it might be his brother.

And he shouts out. And how far this was down? I don't think it was a long distance away, but I'm estimating probably it might have been 30 to 50 yards down the hill below him. But this is big rock. Flying away up and there coming down and not studying when it hits the ground. Then he made a comment to something like, hey, no, it's you or screw it. Screw it with me, whatever.

Then he sees his brother and his dad way down on the trucks moments later. So it wasn't his brother, wasn't his father. And he and I've talked about it a couple of times. And he goes, he always had an eerie feeling whenever he drove this little road that went back to that little gravel parking area. So he and I, we've actually been talking. I just talked with them a week or two ago. Going up in the forest these days, there's so many people up there. Weekends are just a zoo almost sick.

You can't get away from people, it seems like, anymore. People are going to get in the woods because our forest is extremely thick and rugged. But they're camp at the end of roads. hike and they're going all the lakes and recreation areas and trailheads and whatever. But he just got a new job where he has Friday's off and I have a relatively flexible schedule. So I told him, once you get your new job,

you're squared away, let's sneak up there for a Friday. I want to go up. He hasn't been up there for several years of self, but he's always had this weird, eerie feeling about that place even prior to this rock tossing incident. So I'm just curious where he's at. I don't even,

I just know he's up the Klantern's River somewhere. But yeah, rock flying up in the air coming down. I didn't. You went up several times. and never sutted when hit the ground because a rock like that, you're going to hear it plus feel it. Wow.

That's weird, man. I don't know. Just playing out, catching it. Yeah. And then like I said, that he made some comment. I remember made a comment. He thought, okay, I know it's you. And then there's brother and dad way down the truck.

Yeah, hundreds of yards away. So I don't have any answers for you. I just got the questions. Yeah, exactly. All right. So where we live, we live in one of the major river drains come off Mount Hood, which is an 11,000 plus foot dorm volcano. It's the top of the mountains like seven miles from us right now. And again, from we're at to the south of us, we've got zigzag mountain, 2,025 feet above us.

Behind us, we've got the Bull Run watershed, or excuse me, the Bull Run watershed, which is another 1,500,000 feet to the ridge top above us. And the zigzag mountain to the south of us has some stories on it. You know, I'll throw a few of those there. But just up the road from us, we have an older gentleman who his brother's a log home builder in the area. And he's been involved in the building trades himself. I don't, he's more, he's pretty much tired now. So he lives, not even a half mile at the road from his quarter mile probably. Tom.

And as we were with them, I guess, when was it, fourth of July? I was with him a couple of weeks ago. And I knew he had stories, but our friends that live up there as well, they are his neighbors, the friend of Chris, and said, he got to talk to some time. And Chris actually had a story too. But so a couple of weeks ago, I finally got to ask Tom. So he has two kind of similar stories,

but when he started clearing his land to build his home. Yeah. So again, this is a sandy river drainage. It's roughly a quarter mile, half mile wide. It's all old mud flows from Mount, or Mount Hood has erupted over the years and just the whole valley is mud flow, then the forest builds up and grows up. So it's a relatively flat down here.

So Tom was clearing his land, roughly early 2000s. And then probably very two similar stories. And then a couple years later, he used to go to work really early in the mornings. Again, I don't remember if he was contractor back then or home construction of what. But two very similar stories in the early 2000s, and a couple years later,

he'd be out there early in the morning, have a cup of coffee, have a cigarette. And two different times he's been out there early in the morning. And Boulders went flying across his yard. Really? Yes. Oh, man. And the difference between the two stories that he gave me,

there were two different times that it happened. And so he told our friend Chris, who I'm, we're better friends with that time we know pretty well. But, yeah. So, yeah, he's been out there three in the morning on a cigarette, drink coffee, clearing the land. And he's been up here long enough, some year, 20-ish years ago. There wasn't as, there's, there's several homes up, our valley, but not a ton. But, you know, he's probably one of the earlier people developing the land up here and clearing it and putting his home on.

Yeah, you're out there early in the morning and dang boulder goes flying across from one tree line out across your yard. And boulders, how big they are, I don't know. But random, random at, you know, three of the morning. It's happened on two different occasions over the course of a couple years. And the right time for weird stuff with Bigfoot to happen too. Yeah, I am in the morning, no down, man. So let me see as I'm looking at my notes here.

So yeah, okay, this ties in him as well. He mentioned a so, like said, up behind his house as well, just south of him is this zigzag mountain, which is, it is one rugged, steep, thick, fluffy, mountain side. There's a trail on the top. There's a couple trails that go up this side up, some creek drainage, it's just some lakes. They're all hiking lakes. And I want to go hike that, face that mountain down this side. It's going to be brutal. I wouldn't hike up it. I don't know if you could. You could, but you

wouldn't want to do it as again. Coming down won't be a whole lot more pleasant because it's steep, rugged. And there's some bluffy stuff. There's a lot of thick, elder thick. It's just, it's a no man's land, so to speak, for the most part. But anyway, So Tom, as I'm looking at my notes here, he heard a bellowing howl coming up off of there. It lasted like 30 seconds. So above his house, which again, he is that direction from you, again, less than a half mile. And then he said, it lasts like 30 seconds. And then he got a response down Zigzag Ridge later.

Immediate response. So let me see the notes. A bellowing howl up on Zigzag Mountain and 30 seconds later, response down the ridge to the west. Then, and I said, he just told me this story a few weeks ago, but I had the right knows, he says, he goes, you ever seen finding Bigfoot? It sounds like what Bobo, the sound Bobo makes. Man. Oh, that freak me out.

I've always, that's, that's one of my things, Rick, someday I want to hear a vocalization like that. Someday, man. No, boy. And it's, that's right up behind us. I mean, that's, wow. I can, long range, right? It's a crow flies. It's five, six hundred yards behind me.

It's the side of the zigzag. mountain and it runs for seven, eight, ten miles that way, right up to Mount Hood. So I will jump forward a little bit. So our mutual friend, Chris, him and his wife and kids live right there next to Tom. His young daughter, Lily, and this is going back roughly 2010, they heard screams up on the backside of Zigzag Mountain. And Lily, who was roughly about eight then, I remember Chris and dad telling me this, he goes, but it goes there's something up there so Chris heard about there and and I think most of these

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So again, over. outside of Estacada on the Clackamas River. Are you very familiar with this country up here? I have the Oregon Bigfoot Highway. And so I know when you say stuff like Esticata and Zigzag Mount, I know like they sound very familiar, but I've never like actually gone out to the area yet personally. But like I've read the book by Joe.

Well, yeah, I've got to get it. So Esticata is the clack. Where the Clackamas River comes out of our Cascade Mountains, Estaceta is like at the gateway. It's where the mountains meet and the foothills meet the flatlands, and that's Esticata. Small little rural community, been there for a million years, whatever, but it's grown like crazy now, and there's a ton of recreation that goes up. But up the Clapman River, a lot of camping, a lot of waterplay, a lot of fish and all that stuff.

A bunch of people, especially in the summertime, go up that way. And there's some people live up there. But away from that, down towards aggression, which is one of our bigger, more better communities to Portland. A little community outside of that called Boring. Again, I'm going back years ago. Now, as I put these notes together over the accumulative over the years, I kind of estimated some of them.

So roughly around 05, 18 years ago. I've always had dogs, I-Wee, chocolate labs in particular, and loved a bird hunt. I just like getting out with my dog and busting my butt and sweating and having a good time with the dog and getting family out there, whatever, sometimes spending days with friends. So one day I pull up in this little gas station in the town of Boring, Oregon, and got my dog with me at summertime.

windows rolled down, dog sticking her head out. Every time you go to a gas station, you're hoping they'll give you a milk bone to chill on. And a young dude comes up, pumps our gas, because we still, we're just finally beginning to pump our own gas out here. It's been attend and served forever. Anyway, guy comes out, pumps our gas. It starts talking about the dog and you have birds. He goes, yeah, that's my second lab and I love bird out and we just love getting out. then he looks at me and he starts talking about hunting grouse,

which I hunted grouse a little bit. They're more of a forest bird where I hunt the other types of birds, pheasant, chock or whatever. And I've hunted some grouse and found a hunt. Neek, you get to go on the forest. You know, and I asked about grouse and he goes, yeah, we hunt almost anything. Then he goes, yeah, there's a real good place up to Clackamas.

Then he kind of tilts us head. He goes, you ever heard of Bigfoot acres? Bigfoot acres. You don't know, no? Oh, boy. Yeah. So it's a little place outside of Estableness. He gave me some rough directions. I don't, I didn't make, no, there's enough roads and left area up there.

Ever heard of Bigfoot Acres? No? And so he told me, you go up this one road, go here, there, you arc there and all that, and there's all kinds of grouse. I said, so why's it called Bigfoot acres? He goes, Bigfoot. Matter of fact, he go, is he there? And the kid goes, shakes his head and turns to walk away, helps another car, just pulled in. Philip old gas. Oh, wow. Okay. So that being said, there's a ranger station in Esticata, Estigator Ranger District, Ranger Station for the Mount Hood National Forest. And I've heard stories for years. You may have. I know Joe has and Cliff has and other people, but supposedly there's a sightings book in there that doesn't exist. Doesn't exist. Exactly. You go ask where they don't know what you're talking

about, but supposedly there's a book in there. And I've heard that for for 20 years. There's got to be. And I know, and I know people have gone in asking for it and they don't have any any of what you're talking about. Rick, did you ever go up to Bigfoot Acres? I never got the exact, as he gave me the rough up here, there's so many forest roads. And again, once you gets past the cicada up in the area where it was, there's some ranches and some,

there's no communities or towns up there, but there's just plain of logging roads and forest roads and this and that. He gave me a rough idea. I mean, it's just a casual chat. I wasn't, I mean, I was obviously interested in Bigfoot, but as he gave me that info and I tried to make, mental note, but then as I tried to fine-tune it, it's that all that country's Bigfoot

can ship there. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. That's why I was going to go to the exact road to the dead end and go to Bigfoot acres to look for Browse slash Bigfoot. I probably had as much a chance that going down another road and taking a right instead of a left and probably finding Bigfoot, I guess. So I don't know, I'd never

go there. And again, I've always wondered, I wish I would have gotten better details, but we were talking bird hunting when not Bigfoot. I just know that. general area but across that's on like so that's on the north I guess you could call it even the east side of the Clackamas River you across you got goat mountain um I can't there's hillock Hillock burn road there's there's all kinds of stories and stuff up there as well and and on and so I never know I never went to Bigfoot acres and I and I couldn't tell you

exactly where it's at but it's up there somewhere maybe maybe a listener knows about Bigfoot acres and they can email me a Bigfoot Society at Gmail I I have Google search to be before. I can hook Rick up. Yeah, that'd be awesome. I'm right here. I'll have Google search and nothing comes up on it. I'm sure.

That up behind that general area, you got Mount Mitchell, which I think Joe in his book, actually there's a trackway from Mount Mitchell, which is up in that same country and all that. But I said that I won't get into a lot more specifics up there because there's quite a few lakes and remote campground stuff that I, between Joe and Cliff. they've they've they've they've got a lot of people out there in the field themselves and there's there's a lot of stories that come out of all that country for those that are actively out there doing doing more than I'm doing out the woods so anyway bigfoot acres that's my story yeah dude you got to get this book I got I got the book right here next to me

yeah well like it said yeah it's so good yeah well I'm sure it's it well actually uh Joe it told me about evacuated before he even published a thing. Oh, that's awesome. But again, I do need to get it in. I need to get him to sign it. Okay, I've got like two or three more. Then I'm going to, I have to go eat in them. Yeah, I mean, you've got to be just starving by now, Rick.

I'm fine. I'm going to do it. This is quelling my appetite. Yeah, yeah. So, again, from where we live, we can't worry live. We less than two miles from us is National Forest boundary. Wow. And this time of year, our little remote little mountain road gets a lot of traffic because there's four or five campgrounds up here, three or four.

Then there's a lot of trailheads that take you, the Pacific Crest Trail, which is our big international trail, just from Canada all the way down to Mexico is 15 minute dry from us. And several other trailheads, a lot of them go up to the base of Mount Hood and all around. And I said, this is the exact mountain up here. And I mentioned there's a couple trails on this side that take you up to these remote little mountain lakes. but another friend of ours, acquaintance, or not tight, tight friends, but he works for Clackmas County, which is one of the big metropolitan counties in the area. He runs search and rescue. And he is telling me a story, five, six, seven years ago is telling me. So just up past our house as you go up towards the trailheads that are up here, going at the Sandy River and heading towards Mount Hood and backside of Zigzag Mountain.

several summers ago, again, roughly 2010. This, excuse me, occurred. There was a hiker or hikers lost up there just didn't come back. So in the summertime, again, it starts to warm up here. You start getting a lot of breezes in the mountains. And as the mountain winds go, it's just a lot of noise, birds or squawk and stuff. So they like to do, especially in the summers, especially with weather conditions permit.

It's not like it snowing or going to be sub-freezing or whatever. they prefer to do their search and rescues at night because it's dead call. People can shout and holly your name. You can hear people that might be injured that can barely whimper. You can just the sound carries so much better in the dead night. So Scott, this gentleman's name, heading the county search and rescue, and they've got their posseys. And they've got a lot of nonprofits and other search and rescue organizations that like to help out and lend a hand. So they were, I think it was an individual hiker.

I came here. There was a couple. I think it's just an individual just didn't show back, show up. And so they'd go up and set up base just a couple miles up from our house. And this hiker or hikers was up on somewhere on Zigzag Mountain. Again, there's not a lot of trails up there. And you shouldn't get off trail. There's no reason to because it's just rugged country. And I say you couldn't fall off or stumble or get injured or whatever.

Who knows what? People disappear in our mountains every year or two. someone disappears with no sign, no reason. They find a card to trailhead and there's no evidence of anything afterwards. Or else their camp is vacant and never, then they never be seen again. And again, there's not much reason to get off any of the trails in this whole area because it's just just in hospital country. If you're hunting, that's one thing that most of these people are just AI and or overnighting

or whatever. But so anyway, the Scott and their group gets up there one evening. And several groups go out, a couple different trailheads. Some might have been on horses. I don't remember the whole exact scenario. And you go out in pairs, two people at a time. And then at night, they're going out of night. So it's roughly like two in the morning gets a radio call from one of the couples,

we're coming down. And Scott goes, did you find them? They said, nope, we're coming down. They're going to, hell, this is the prime search and rescue time. Two in the morning, dead quiet and all that stuff, for all the reasons I mentioned. So why the heck they're coming down? So an hour, hour and a half later, I don't remember how long, But these people come down and go, why in the heck did you guys come down?

They said, there's something up there. And this is, again, this is kind of word for word as well. There's something up there. It says, it doesn't want us up there and we don't want to be there. Whoa. And it was, the other song just started screaming and carrying on, I guess, relatively close to him. And they just pretty much, man, they didn't want us there. We didn't want to be there.

So they came off the mountain, quit their search and rescue efforts. And this is then, and so the guy, it's replaying us to us to us. Like I said, he works for Clackamas County Deputy Sheriff's Department, search and rescue. And, yeah, they came off the mountain. So that's his when something started, something started raising hell up there. It didn't want us there and we didn't want to be there. Oh, my goodness.

And if you looked at this mountain, if you are ever here, I can look at it daily. It's right out my back door. It's, if I could live in that environment, didn't want to be found, that's ideal place. And I want to climb down that mountain from top to bottom. I've got a couple different ridges, a couple different. drainage is this is going to be brutal and I'm not a spring chicken anymore I can still do it it's gravity help me down the dang hill but I just want to see what's in the middle of that mountain because there's no trails in the middle there's a couple of little trails that work

there we have some creek drainage is to the top but there's miles and miles and miles of non-vertical but extremely steep rugged rough bluffy or north Oregon Cascades forest wild oh man yeah it's got to be beautiful out there's cool over neck you know we left that God, it's really really neat, especially this time of year. So that being said, around Zigzag Mountain between Highway 26 on the back side through the little community of Rhododendron and Welch's and up this way. A friend of Cliffs had a siding just up the road from us. Real similar in the close proximity to where the Scott, the Clackamas County Search and Restory guy.

Cliff had a buddy of his about eight or nine years ago, woke up one morning up there looking and had a siding out of his camper window right in the base of the mountain one morning. So, but, yeah, there's, in the last 20, 25 years, there's been several sightings between all around here. And that's just stuff I've heard of, you know. All right. Let me throw, there you see, two more at, yeah, then I'm done. So I mentioned the other guy that was camp hunting a couple, about an hour, hour and a half from here, 20, 30, 40, 50 miles, whatever, that had something bump his truck in the middle of the night. Right. And his buddy's going to be there and two hours later, whatever his buddy shows up.

So he was hunting with our mutual friend, Ron, in the same general area. Not quite that far. A big river bottom, big meadows and all that stuff. And Ron is my one guy, I think I mentioned earlier, who was a retired logger spent his entire time in the woods. He's out there even his retired. He's a big time photographer. He does a lot of stuff outdoors. He's a trail cameras and all that.

And he's an unbeliever, because he spent his entire life in the woods in the Cascades and on the coast range. So Ron and this other gentleman, Dave, they went down and hunted this big long metal one day. And again, we're talking this back 2013. It looks like September 2013, archery hunting. And as they're working through these flats, you've got a big metal. You've got a lot of this river bottom is about a half mile wide. There's some big cedar trees in there, big cedar swamp. A lot of elk in there, usually.

and they're working their way through the timber. And again, it's open timber, kind of a little bread of brush, Huckleberries, and Rotate Enders, but typically, some of that stuff, you can see 2,300 yards, which is in our forest around here. That's quite a distance. And they look and weighs from 100, 200 yards, they see another hunter. That's really weird because the only access point where they came in from is really about the only place you could park there.

and there's no other rig part there. And all of a sudden, there's a hunter down in the river bottom. And again, river bottom is a high valley. So there's another hunter there. They were really surprised. So then the hunter walked behind a tree. And again, it was roughly 100 yards away, if I recall correctly. It looks like a big dude, dark, all dark clothing, quote unquote clothing,

walked behind a tree, never saw him again. And as they go walking over. there, there's kind of a little dip in a ravine, because in some of these rivers is a meander, you get this, they'll cut a bank and they'll switch channel, whatever. I think if I recall, there's kind of a little dip of ravine behind a little cut bank. But they slowly worked the way over there because this hunter kind of went behind a tree and never saw him again. Walked over there, never saw a hunter, didn't find anything. And so this Ron says, in all my years in the woods, that's the first time I've seen something and not been able to identify it.

He's still an unbeliever, but he says not sure what it was. And it's to random. Yeah. So, and that's, and he and I had that on one of our hunting forms that, that's how I met this wrong, neat guy. And it's got a thought of what a followers. He'd actually made that post on our hunting form again back in 2013. That first time I've seen anything and never been able to identify it. But he and I, a couple years later, we were out driving around out of the mountain.

And I brought, I brought such a death. And he's still, he's still an adamant non-believer. But he goes, really. Oh, that's really interesting. I have no idea what it's on. So anyway, it was just, yeah, coming from a guy like that. And lastly, you had mentioned that one of your speakers a while back, it dropped a name and dropped a very specific location somewhere.

And I know that specific name and I know some of his specific locations. And coincidentally, so you're, yeah, yeah. And coincidentally, it's an area I'm very familiar with myself. Okay. Roughly from near home. Yeah. Neat little ponds, meadows, and Maycliffe. I say that.

We go up there, you go up there and just drink some local beers and plays. Yeah, he's a musician. He plays his guitar. And he says, well often then I get some, something happens in the middle of night. Might just be a knock at two in the morning or whatever. but very, very near that location. And he mentioned that place randomly to me several years ago. And I don't think we were talking about that specific location.

He's thrown a couple names to me, but it's all touched right now. But within about a mile of that, there's a big deep canyon. And there's an old logging road that goes down. And it's all heavily timbered. And I have three different, what I would call trackways that have come off these deep cut banks. I sent them to, I sent pictures at Joe. We'll order to send him to Cliff, sent him to Todd Nice is another name I'll mention.

If you know Todd, he actually lives within five minutes over here. Oh, does he really? Yeah. Yeah, we had a couple of beers a month or so ago. Funny. But they're not definitive by any means, but a couple of them.

Again, I'll send you some of these photos later on if you like, but yeah, definitely. A couple of them are older and washed out. Even the best ones weren't. But the thing is, and even Cliff was trying to poo-poo on them, but it could be deer, elk, or bear. Well, I hunt deer and elk and bear, and I've seen a lot of deer and elk and bear,

and I've seen a lot of tracks. First of all, these have a straight toe edge. I also thought, okay, I'll do it, deer hoof, a bear. And the substrate was in. It was a very hard-packed cut bank, and they're long. You could think it was someone's, and if there were people walking on this, It's a very, very, very remote road in an area that people wouldn't have really very little reason to be up on that hill to be walking down.

You can see if they stepped side hills trying to come down this cut bank where the feet could have slipped. But the straight edge was only was about eight inches. That's a short, that's a small foot, be walking and making the impressions that were on this cut bank coming down. And then I found a couple older ones that were all very indefinite. But you just see large impressions work walking up this cut bank. again. And this is near where this little pond and me, is it, what's his face like to hang out? I don't know how I'll have those up there now, but. And it's in a remote, rugged little canyon. And I was up there about three or four weeks ago, and I haven't been to this road in this cup banks for a couple years now.

I always look at the cut banks. It's about a two-mile section there that it's, it's thick, brushy, up high. The whole bottom is just a thick, rugged jungle. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. made those impressions, but one of them, there's like five or six impressions going up this cut bank, and they're all sizable. They've got a straight, what I call toe edge. It's top end. Yep. That's wild.

That's all I got for you. Wow. I mean, it's cool to hear that that area, someone else has found something cool in an area close to that, you know, and I'm being vague, but you get everything. Like, yeah. Yeah, that's cool. I've got nothing earth shattering, groundbreaking, whatever I told that before. I've got no encounters, nothing, you know, from what nose to nose with me and we arm wrestle or whatever.

But. Rick, this has been a fascinating chat of like just a lifetime of collected stories and like how, I mean, you pretty much had some really cool. experiences chatting with people involved with Bigfoot history in a way, which is very cool as well. But thank you, you can. Yeah. Well, you bet. And, my pleasure.

And like I said, I could throw other second or third or fourth hand stories, but these are all, you know, vast majority. It's either, you know, those people I know. And or the random thing at the gas station, the kid asked about Bigfoot Acres, but it was a personal encounter between he and I. To Bigfoot Acres. We got to track that down. Listeners, if you know what Bigfoot Acres is please. email me in Bigfoot Society at email.com. We have to track that down.

Yeah, no, I'd love to. I said, I'd love that. And there's a lot of roads up. It's hard to say. I wish the kids still work there. But you could be on 18-year-old working a gas station some years later or 18 years away, however. You have probably not working there anymore.

But anyway, it's just you and I've gone back and forth for another months. And I said, I've got a lot of stories for you. I don't know, some people might fall asleep on them. I think that people are going to be very interested. My listener is love the episode. like this. Rick, thank you so much for reaching out and I'm taking your time. And this has been just a really fun chat. And keep me in the loop if anything else cool happens, man. I know where to find you. I said, I don't go out looking, man, but I keep my eyes bill, definitely. Cool. All right. Hey,

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