Bigfoot Society - A Conversation on A.I. Photography and the Future of Cryptozoology with BitSquatch

Episode Date: October 17, 2022

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I've got the privilege of talking to Mr. Bitsquatch today. How are we doing, sir? Great. I'm mister. I like that. Well, I think it sounds even cooler, you know, you put a mister in front of it. But this is going to be, I'm a good. I've been excited for this interview for a long time.

Just because, you know, I saw your account on Instagram Bit Squatch. And I'm calling this individual Bit Squash because, you know, for certain reasons, we're not wanting the, you know, the actual name of the individual known, which is perfectly fine. And I respect that. It kind of gives a little mystery to it, which is good too. But, you know, I saw your Instagram account, which, of course, is Bit Squatch. And just the photos or, you know, the artwork that you're seeing on there. And if people are on YouTube, you can see Bit Squatch has one of his profile, for his profile picture, he has one of his artworks up. And it's, man, when I first saw it blew me away, I was like, how is this even possible?

and where is this going? And I need to talk to this guy about it, no matter who he is. I need to have this discussion because I think it's going to become very important for us to realize what we're up against and where we could be going. So Bitsquatch, take a few minutes and, you know, fill in the cracks with what the listeners need to know about yourself before we get into it. Okay, well, I grew up and currently reside in the Gulf Coast. My real job is like a digital media professional, but as a child of the early 70s, you know, I was exposed to things that most people talk about in search of. Thank God I never saw Legend of Bucky Creek.

I think they would freak me out big time. But two things happened in the early 70s. I was maybe five years old. One was, and they were both relatively close by, in Pascagoula, Mississippi, these two fishermen went on the news and claimed to have been abducted by a UFO. And it was like, this became a international story. And these guys said they went on the ship. They were, you know, the usual things happened to them. And after this incident, they went to the police.

They were totally freaked out. And then they went to the media. and then just recently I googled the story and one of the guys is still alive and recently came back out and said you know this really happened I stand by my story well anyway this was a huge flap and as a kid it was just sort of like amazing and then right around the same time the Honey Island Swamp Monster story kind of broke

the Honey Island swamp is east of New Orleans it's right in the Pearl River Basin and it's a swamp that's kind of adjacent into suburban, suburban part of New Orleans, more or less, what is today. And this guy, Harlan Ford, claims he saw this creature. And at the time in the early 70s, he had a footprint cast. And him and another guy, he was a hunter. And these guys, they live out in the, kind of like in the movies,

they live out in a shack in the woods, in the swamp. Right, right. And this story became another huge international story. And so just as a child, I was like, wow, all this stuff's going on. And I think his granddaughter, Dana Holofield, is still kind of nurturing the Honey Island Swamp story today. And then I didn't really think about Bigfoot or whatever until about 20 years ago. And I'm sure you know this story. I was watching one of these cable shows.

It was like 2002. Okay. And I saw Jimmy Chilkut on. He was talking about the Dermal Ridges. in the footprint casts. And this guy, his expertise is in primate footprints. He's a fingerprint guy for the feds. He works for the sheriff department or something.

He's a very credible guy. He was looking at these casts. And he noticed that the ridges go one way. And only primatologist geeks know this. And they were accurate. If it was a primate, the way these dermal ridges looked would have been accurate for some sort of primate monkey. So anyway, that really intrigued me. Like, wait a second.

Like, this is, this is cool. So that kind of started my modern day sort of obsession or just, you know, interest in Bigfoot. I'm just sort of an enthusiast more than anything else. I don't really go out and do research or anything like that. Just try to keep up with the subject. So I think that's important info to know that, you know, this isn't just an account where it's some summary. random dude who's like, hey, I'm, I'm, Bigfoot's hot right now. Let me, let me combine two things and see what I can do. Like, this is a individual where, you know, you've, you've grown up,

interested in the different, you know, cryptid UFO things. And also, you know, it's kind of been a part of your life all along, which is, is very, very interesting. I think it puts another spin on it. But we're here to talk, you know, about specifically your account, BitSquatch is it's making AI or artificial intelligence created Bigfoot artwork. Is that the easiest way to explain what's going on here? There's this new set of tools where they're called like text to image tools or image generator tools where you describe what you want to see, almost like text.

It's like texting a robot. and then the robot comes back and makes a very compelling image. And apparently, and it's using artificial intelligence, and there's a number of these products, programs. There's Dolly is one of them. One of them's called Mid Journey and other ones called Stable Diffusion. But what it's actually done is it apparently, and I don't claim to be an expert on how these things work,

but I just use the tools, but they've like sucked in or processed all the images on the Internet. And the intelligence has some capability of understanding what the images are about and what makes up those images. So then when you describe what you want, it uses this, the artificial intelligence to create an image based on all images on the internet, which is kind of insane. This is Terminator stuff, dude. It's Terminator stuff, man. Yeah. And that's what's so interesting and addictive about this. the text to AI tools is you get something back very quickly. Yeah.

And it's sort of like you usually in under a minute, you get an image back. And you can, you can, so the better you are describing something and you kind of just iterative process where you keep refining your description, and that's called prompts. So there's a whole thing called prompt crafting where you, where you massage the text and the order of the words and exactly what you say, it dictates what the thing is going to show. And interestingly, although I'm not doing too much of it, it understands art, it understands photography. You could say Picasso painting of a Volkswagen bug and you'll get something back that looks pretty damn good. And you can just kind of go from there.

You can mix up all kinds of different, you can kind of smash together different visual concepts. What I'm trying to do is just sort of visualize some of these classic Bigfoot type stories. and some of the legends and the, kind of the greatest hits, so speak, if you've been following this subject. And then I'm kind of riffing on just pop culture. Bigfoot is this great symbol. You know, people project onto it what they want. And so it can kind of, it's a stand in for like, you know, the human condition or whatever.

And so you can, some of the images are just sort of open-ended statements of what is he doing. You know, you're supposed to, it's not supposed to be real. He's in a shopping mall parking lot. he's right yeah which i like like half of your stuff is is that which is really cool it's like bigfoot in a you know a subway station or you also take like you're saying um there's a there's a series you did where it's like you know the rock apes the story of the rock apes and you have soldiers in there too which is really cool i think you had dedicated that to loren coleman right yeah i i you know kind of when i was getting back into it in the early days of the internet

that Lauren and Craig Woolheater were doing that Cryptomundo website, which was a blog. Yes. And at the time, those posts aren't up anymore, but Lauren was posting really in-depth content almost every day. It was just amazing. And it was sort of a schooling on the whole field of cryptozoology because Lauren, of course, is an expert. And then quite a bit of it is about Bigfoot sightings.

And that's where I first read about the Rock Apes. I just couldn't believe it. I was like, what the hell? Yeah. Vietnam vets claim to have interacted with apes or monkeys that threw rocks at them in the jungle. That's basically what, and I've never heard. I had never heard of that. Of course, there's no pictures of that.

There's no nothing. So once I started putting some of these images together, I said, well, let me try to do some renderings of what, you know, a rock ape kind of situation would look like. So I have a few of those in there. AI art is very interesting. There's some really, really people are, they have opinions about it on either side for sure. And we're not going to really get into that. But it's wild because there's even an economy that's starting to come out of this where you can find websites where you can pay someone for the prompts that they're using to create certain. art, which is mind-blowing.

So if there's someone out there that is, like, super into this, you could literally figure out how to make different types of artwork and sell your prompts. That's a totally other Gary Vee conversation as well. But so I don't want to, you know, I've tried to make Bigfoot in Dolly in the past. And my Bigfoot did not look like your Bigfoot bits like yours. You have to put some time in. And it's funny. When I first started doing this, I was rendering,

if this is one of the first, you would message me. I was going to send some messages to the various names in Bigfoot, who do podcasts and stuff to say, hey, be on the lookout because it'd be pretty easy to fake an image. And all my images are obviously contrived. I put a watermark on it, so no one, it's clearly not supposed to be real.

But if you wanted to. trail cam images, for instance, are very easy to create. Oh, my goodness, yeah. Blurry. I've never posted one, but the few I did where it was like, wow, that could definitely pass as the real thing. So this is coming where we're going to have to sort out the difference between, you know, real images and sort of fake images.

But these tools have only really kind of exploded in the last maybe 30, two months, 30 days, they've really just sort of taken off. So it's brand new. And it's even since I've been using it in the last month or so, they've gotten better. They've evolved. So, you know, where they're going in another six months or a year is going to be truly, you know, I believe videos coming and all that. So I want to pause for a second and make sure the listeners got what was just said.

These tools have been around for 30 days to two months and we're already at the point where BitSquatch is able to make photos where some of them could easily be mistaken for what is real. Bit Squatch, how this, you know, obviously it's exponentially getting better. Are you seeing that it's a thing where sometimes people talk about technology and it's like, you know, every certain amount of time, it's going to increase and increase and increase. Do you see it's just getting crazier and crazier or what do you see? Is there any patterns? I mean, they're refining it.

They're refining the algorithm and the technology to actually do the render. You mentioned like Dolly and some of these things. The images were fairly crude. You could kind of tell, well, that kind of looks like whatever it is I'm trying to show you. But there's a certain clunkiness to it. And just recently it's getting more photorealistic, basically. And you can put in prompts for lenses, for exposure, for film effects, for film grain. Like one of the renderings I did was, you know, there's the infamous case of the Sasquatch on videotape raiding the dumpster behind the casino.

Oh, sure. Yeah. It was in New Mexico or Arizona or somewhere. Of course, people have seen this video, but it's never been publicly released. So I tried to render that. And I actually described the videotape and things like that. And it actually put distortion videotape kind of noise in the rendering. I have type 2 diabetes, but I manage it well.

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get back into other stuff. but it's like you can get really crazy. You can do like high definition, as you were saying, the lens types. I mean, literally you are only limited by the knowledge that you might have about how to create images. Right. If you're a photographer or what's an entry called an art director

and you've art directed photos shoots or you've art directed an illustrator where you're telling a real human sort of what you want, and you work with them to get what you want. Those skills help in this department in that you're kind of used to going, okay, let me close up, extreme close up, you know, blah, blah, blah. You can describe the weather conditions. You can basically describe anything. And I think what's so fascinating about this,

and I'm in the technology business, you hear a lot about AI, and you can't really get your head around AI, and AI is already doing all these things that we can't really touch or see. But in these tools, you actually see it come together. And that's when you, and it's kind of breathtaking. Also a little scary of what AI can do. Like you don't know if AI is being used in other ways for like advertising and things. You can't, you just can't see it.

But in this case, you really do see it. As a user of these tools, it's truly breathtaking. Sometimes I'll do a prompt and then I'll get a result. I'm just like, I can't believe what it just did. I mean, it's like, holy. Are there times where for the good of the community, you don't release stuff? I think you may have already answered this, actually. Yeah, no, it's just the trail cam stuff.

Oh, yeah, yeah. It's wild, man. But it's coming. I think I saw Facebook's working on something where you put a prompt in and you get like a five-second video. I think they're already demoing it now. like Adobe Photoshop's building something. So there's going to be a lot of these tools. I think you'll probably be able to do describe videos at some point,

possibly, you know, hey, Patterson Gimlin film, frame 167, you know, whatever. Spell it out what you want. Totally. And you'll probably get something that looks pretty good. Another example of how this has really escalated. quickly. You know, I think I asked you to be on the program maybe just a few weeks ago. It feels like it was not that line ago.

And since that time, not in our community, but I don't know if you noticed this in the UFO community what happened last week with AI photography, AI graphics. I don't know. Pretty much what happened. Someone started making, you know, like the old. photographs of the Roswell crash footage with UFOs. It is so good, Bitsquatch. I can't tell if it's actually

not historical photographs that were taken. There's no blurriness. It looks 110%. I looked at that and I was like, one, we're in trouble because it's going to get to the point where people figure out like, how can we, how can we, you know, believe someone anymore where it's like, I got this photograph of a cryptid. Look at this new cryptid. Or like, look at this photo I magically uncovered from the estate of fill in old school

Bigfoot researcher. And look, you had this photo all along, you know, like, what are we, what can we do, man? Well, I've read that. I don't think this is live yet, so to speak, but they were thinking about putting watermarks or, you know, something to train you, a QR code into the image where you could then reverse engineer potentially where the image came from. I don't believe that's in there now. But, yeah, I've never tried.

But yeah, UFO images would be very simple, easy to fake because it's especially blurry, old pictures, black and white, 70s, you know, chrome, anything like that. But of course, it's just a digital image. You know, somebody might say, well, show me the picture. Right. You could print it out, you know. But anyway, and you know how things are now. People believe all kinds of stuff.

So, and I guess this UFO thing you mentioned had gone viral. So it's about it's going to get silly with political things and God knows what. Oh, I don't even want to think about the political ramifications. You know, it's going to be bad enough in the Bigfoot community, which in the grand scheme of things, yes, it's very small. You know, if we, but man, the ramifications across the entire, you know, scope of human history could be far-reaching. You mentioned a little bit earlier, and we were talking about this off-camera. So let's put it here.

Bitsquatch, where could this go? I don't know. I'm just saying. Think of the scenario that this could go. Well, I think people are going to be able to create the images they want to see. And I'm sort of getting at that point. And I'm not really sure what that means. But like it's instant gratification.

So if you train something to show you what you like or what you want to see, you know, that gets entertainment, all kinds of things. So that's as an art. I have an art degree. My background is an art. So this is rewarding for me because you have to put the time in, but you're certainly not. I mean, I could sit down with Photoshop and try to draw some of the stuff. but I don't have the patience for that,

and I wouldn't get it nearly looking as good as what these things look like. So it's very empowering. If you put the time in as a writer or someone with a tool and you're driven, you can generate amazing images of anything you want. So I think it's going to open the door up to, you know, what's called the creator community.

In one hand, it democratizes that. There's very low barriers to entry here. that's the good news and the bad news. Exactly. I wish there was like everyone could just agree be a good enough person to say, yes, I made these using Dolly and don't be a liar. You know, like there's got to be some accountability. And the thing is, is there's not going to be, you know. And how can we, is there any way right now that we can know.

100% that a photo is a real, like if it's real or if it's AI generated. Is there anything, you know, that we can look at? Most of these tools have a look. And if you just typed in, for instance, Sasquatch under a tree or Bigfoot under a tree and the different platforms, you'll get a real simple rendering. And you kind of get an idea of, okay, that's sort of its default look. And then it takes a lot of work to sort of craft that into something more compelling. but, you know, just about every image I've created, you look at it.

So it's obviously fake. There's maybe one or two where it's like, whoa. There's a few where I'm like, ah, it's close, man. Give it a year. It's going to be there. Yeah, like one series I've done, and I, you know, I'm a fan of Wes and Sasquatch Chronicles. But I did the famous Claire episode with the British woman saw a number of Sasquatch on the California coast.

And that was always a really compelling story. And I thought, let me try to do something with this. And there's something about the atmosphere, the beach, the sun, the sun in the horizon, and then the wetness of the figures that actually makes it look more real than some of the other things I've done. And so I've done a lot of those because, A, I like what it spits out. And then a couple, including there's one in the water that hits a close up of his face, and it's just like, whoa.

That's the exact one I'm thinking of. Yeah, it's so wild, man. It is so intense. Is there anything like hidden or anything in the metadata of the? I've looked. I don't believe there is. It doesn't, but it's certainly not going to show you camera metadata where a real image would. And I don't know enough about the meta-hacking, if you can have.

a metadata or not, I don't know. Like, could you put photography type metadata, Canon camera in this? I don't know if that's possible. Someone else. Oh, that's even a, I didn't even think of that. You could, oh, yeah, that could be crazy. I don't know.

I'm not sure if it's editable or not. I know you can remove metadata, but I don't know if you can add it. If listeners have any thoughts about that, you know, feel free. You can email that in the Bigfoot system. at gmail.com. Do you think we'll get to the point where someone will be able to recreate the Patterson Gimlin footage using a...

Yeah, or something close. It may be a tool to study it. If you look at what... Who's the guy who did all the analysis of the film? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The proof... It was a history channel show, right? No, he's the he's a Bill Munn's.

Oh, yeah. He's really dissected it and, you know, people like that, you could possibly use it as a visualization tool that maybe better understand, you know, turn the camera around. And I've seen some visualizations like that where they're doing like a 3D simulation to kind of figure out where was he standing, where was the figure, you know, what was in the background. So things like that. You may be able to, you know, use it to kind of further bring it to life or certainly kind of recreated. in either a simplistic way or possibly, you know, very realistic. It's hard to say. Right now the tool doesn't understand Patty.

I've tried to say, hey, draw. No, it doesn't. I've tried that too, yeah. It doesn't know what that is. That's an interesting thing. Most things are in there. If you name figures or animals or different, you know, understand every now and then you hit a brick wall where it's like, okay, it doesn't, you have to describe it another way.

I bet, though, in the future it will. Yeah, I believe you can train it. I saw one of these special effects guys, YouTubers, who I'm not sure which platform they were using, but he got it to understand his face and his likeness. And then he was able to make things featuring himself doing things. So right now, the only thing you can do, I believe, is like people who are famous on the internet, basically where there's multiple pictures of them published. Right, exactly.

Do you think it's important for people listening to this to get to be able to be familiarized with how to use these programs, know how to do with themselves? Is there any value in that, do you think? Yeah. And there's as you mentioned earlier, there's like a cottage industry of people helping you with what's called trumped crafting. And even certain tools, they encourage you to share. When you share your image, you're supposed to share your prompt. And so basically you can look at someone else's image and go, oh, how did they do that? Then you actually can copy their copy.

And certain tools will either recreate it exactly or give you something close. And then you can kind of iterate from there. Interesting. Have you ever played around? I saw this the other day on a platform where they were taking album art and they were expanding on it. Have you seen that? No, but, dude, it was wild. Album covers is sort of a little genre in the AI community of making either satirical or, you know, I was trying to do like a 70s van with like a Frank Frisetta Bigfoot painting on the stuff.

Oh, nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I couldn't make it work, but I was like, that's one of the things I was trying to do. And he did like the Molly Hatchet cover, you know, with the Viking guy back in the day. I've had it. I've been able to. get it to reproduce the Frank Frazetta Mothman pretty close, which is like, that's so niche, but it was on it, dude.

It was all about it. I was like, what is going on? This is crazy. Yeah, you know, it's funny. I tell my kids this. Like, you know, growing up in the 70s, you know, somebody like Frisetta, or there were a couple of, like, concept artists. There was a guy who dealt Star Wars stuff.

you know, that was, that's all you could see in the world of, you know, fantasy or science fiction or whatever. There were just these paintings or drawings. There was no special effects. There was no nothing. And, you know, some of these guys, and I think that's the industry. This is going to impact the most, you know, the whole idea of a concept artist, a guy does a visualization for a movie scene or book cover. And I believe some of these concept artists are moving to use the platform. I read somewhere certain artists are using it to generate background.

because they don't feel like drawing a background. So I'll just say, you know, whatever, California mountains at sunset and boom, you'll get something very quickly. You can drop in your piece. And a colleague of mine was using the tool. I showed him a tool, and he was using it to do some visualizations, some storyboards for a music video he was working on. So, you know, it's really, and people have produced comic books, I think, already using Mid Journey and stable diffusion. and yes, it's a little This is the thing about the tool is

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Like, what are the positive things that can come out of this? You can create, anyone can create visually interesting graphics and artwork. It's amazing. It's very empowering. And if you can type a sentence, you can get art back. And like everybody, you can even just use three words. And it's, and occasionally it's usually the shorter the prompt, the much more random it is. But you'll be surprised.

everybody's going to have a piece of art that they've created on these tools that they like, that they could blow up and hang on their wall or whatever. It's within 10 minutes of using it, you can get something that you like. That is really cool. Yeah. That's cool. So it's empowerment. I like that.

What is, what in your opinion is the easiest one to use? If after this interview, people are like, yeah, I want to take, you know, check it out and take a swing at it. What's one that they could? There's so many. I know. For BitSquatch, I've been primarily using mid-journey, and you have to get an account on Discord, and then you have to get a mid-jurring, but you can get a free account. You have to jump through a few hoops.

And there are things like stable diffusion. You can install them on your own machine, or there's front ends to get to them through websites and things, and those all vary in terms of how much you can do for free, and at some point you have to pay. And the good thing about these tools. that are sort of managed is they do have moderation built in. So they're looking out for, you know, political stuff and just people to no good. That's good.

But you can apparently, I have never done this, you can install certain tools, I believe, like stable diffusion. If you have an NVIDIA card or a PC, you can run it locally. You do need some technical knowledge to do that. I haven't even tried. But most of these are basically browser-based. That's what I was talking about, like, you're texting a robot. You're literally putting a text prompt in a box on a web browser and hitting submit. So, and then a minute later, you get an image.

So Mid Journey, Stable to Fusion, and Dolly. I haven't actually used Dolly. And I Googled this this morning. There's already several dozen tools. So who know, there's all kinds of stuff out there. When you say tools, is that something completely different from like Darwin? Meaning, no, several dozen AI to art, text, to art, image generators. And I think there's going to be more, and I would imagine, you know, people are going to commercialize it.

And they're already charging access for some of them. But like, the easier they are to use, you know, those might be software service or something you buy, like from Adobe or something. Wouldn't that be wild if in the future it's like part of Adobe's creative cloud is like, AI photo generation. I've seen it in other places already. I've seen it. I'm not going to mention names because I can't remember them, but I have seen it where,

in one of them, where it was like part of your AI, you know, article generation. Now you can generate photos. So it's definitely start to, it's proliferating throughout the entire, you know,

everything. Do you think it again? you get to the point where people could have, like, create Bigfoot eyewitness reports through AI generation? I guess this is more about. No, no, this is a good twist because apparently there are tools. I've never used them that generate text, generate stories. I read something just the other day where I'm not sure who has this tool, but it can look

at someone talking, telling a story for only like 10 seconds and then it'll fill in the rest of the story. Oh, my goodness. So, again, it's probably, AI is probably sucked in all text on the internet. So then it understands, here's what story structure is, here's common themes, you know, here's, so if you said, tell me a nursery rhyme or whatever, it would probably, it could probably write something. And I don't know if you saw this thing, Google was working on that, what do they call it, there was like a text-based personality that you interacted with. They're trying to really simulate. And one of the Google engineers claims this thing's a lie that has consciousness.

That got weird. Yeah. Yeah. And there's a term for that. I can't remember what's called when all of a sudden we crossed the threshold. But they're just saying no, it's actually just really good at talking to you. And you've been duped. But he's insisting it's more than that.

Another fun thing I stumbled upon is there's a program out there. I think it's descript where pretty much it's a transcription program based off AI. But the cool thing about it or horrifying is you can feed it a few hours of your own voice. It has to be your own voice talking. And then it learns, the AI learns your voice so then you can type out words and an AI version of your own voice will say it. you can think about the ramifications for that if they're historical or famous figures that have multiple hours of audio available on the internet. I mean, you know, it's some crazy stuff. Even for this interview, I was going, it's didn't have time to pull it together.

But there's my son informed me there's V-loggers, virtual video loggers, who use virtual avatars as their visual presence. and they're talking in real time and the avatar is moving and eye tracking and animated. And I was going to try to set up some sort of bit-squatchy version of that. I just didn't have time and didn't understand the technology to do it. Maybe we can do that in a future episode. I mean, I am actually really interested in technology as it's used in the study of Bigfoot. And I believe you've had one of these guys on. And there's all these people doing the mapping stuff with GIS.

Yeah, I've had a few of those guys in. Yeah. Yep. I think an opportunity would be, and something like this used to exist, take so much is happening with these oral histories, you know, the Sasquatch Chronicle type stories. None of this is written down. It's just you hear a recording of someone describing, you know, a siting and encounter. They describe all kinds of behaviors and the conditions.

If we could index these things and tag them based on these parameters, where was it? What did it look like? what did it do? What behaviors did you observe? Just using simple tagging, you can then like pull up. Let me read about all episodes involving a wood knock or whatever. I'm making that up. When it comes to mind is a hunter was looking through a rifle scope and he saw the creature make the wood knock type noise with its mouth. And he clicked, he clicked his tongue or he used his teeth or something. This is what he thought he saw happening. So have other people seen this? You know, If you tagged all these sightings and these descriptions, we could pull up very quickly,

you know, what's happening in the old days and the, you know, crants or whatever. Everybody, these sightings are all in books. Well, now they're all just audio on either YouTube or in podcasts. It was just tremendous. I spend time listening to these when I'm working or driving. I mean, they're fascinating. But a lot of great information is getting put on the table. It's just hard to pull it all together.

And if we somebody just sat down. And of course, maybe to transcribe this, you could use software to do it. Then index, okay, what are they talking about? What are the parameters that I can key off of? Then you could create some sort of like relational database of, you know, citing conditions, behaviors, appearances, et cetera. That would be a tremendous undertaking, but I think it would be very, very beneficial for the community. I mean, if someone wants to run with that, do.

Somebody, please. That would be amazing. I don't know how many years it's going to take. And the thing is, it's like, there's so. much content being generated daily just in the Bigfoot community alone. It's intense. It is intense to keep up with, dude. No, it is.

And just filtering it and separating the wheat from shaft is brought up. And that's the thing that's really changed. You know, 20 years ago, there was Bigfoot forums and there was a few little things here and there. And there was a lot of negativity, a lot of trolling. People were a slam. There was all kinds of showboating and just idiocy. and it wasn't a very conducive environment to actually learn anything or share any kind of information. Now, thanks to people like yourself and Wes and all the many people out there,

they're letting people, you know, and then you have experts on who actually talk about things they're doing, things that have observed in the field. Exactly. You can really put, as I don't want to take this for granted. This has really just happened, I think, in the last couple of years. And it's a little bit overwhelming, but where it's so much of a better place. today than just 15 years ago. Yeah, and I appreciate that, you know, you are one of the people that see that.

I guess that is one of the big goals that I have through this is to help create a better community where people can work together and, you know, pretty much work towards, you know, figuring out what this creature or this animal or what is going on, you know, and pretty much go across lines that have been drawn in the past. BitSquatch, is there a, what places do you recommend, what resources do you recommend if people want to learn more about how to use this, this AI software, or is it a thing where it's so new you have to figure it out as you go along?

Well, get your platform of choice and then just Google it. And there's guides. Sometimes the tools, the tools have forums and message boards built in. I know Mid Journey does. You can people, there's threads where people are discussing, prompting and how to do certain kinds of things,

portraits or environments. I did read the other day, like architects are using it. Oh, wow. Someone's so many fashion designers are now using it to create patterns and fabrics. There's just a lot of actual commercial application. Mm-hmm. So people,

There's a number of YouTube. There's all kinds of YouTube videos on it. But if you read these forums or these websites, you can actually get the text, the prompts. You can copy and paste and literally start with someone else's prompt and then sort of refine. Exactly. Exactly. This has been a really enlightening discussion of BitSquatch. Thank you so much for coming on.

Before we start to head out, is there any other thing? that you wish we would have covered that's important to know, or you think this is a good introduction? No, that's a good introduction. I want to talk about Bigfoot more. All right. Let's do it. What do you think Bigfoot is?

Oh, boy. I definitely think it's flesh and blood, some kind of primate, hominoid, you know, it's an animal that eats, sleeps, poops, that's in the woods doing something, how it's evaded. all of us for so long is sort of the ultimate mystery. I was watching one of these cable shows and they had a tracker and he was like in South America and he was tracking some kind of big cat and he was able to find it. But he had this great quote. He said, if this animal was just a little bit smarter, let's say as smart as a chimp,

I would never be able to find it like ever. And that really stuck with me like, wait a second. You know, if this thing is as smart as we think it is and obviously, as a master of its environment, well, clearly it's great at, you know, stealth, hide and seek, moving quietly, whatever. That would explain how is it doing this? Like, you know, it doesn't need caves. It doesn't need to teleport.

It doesn't need to go underground. It doesn't need to do all the things people sort of project onto it. It's just really good at mastering its environment and invading us. And here's this coming a mile away or whatever. you know, that's, that's, but also the conundrum, like the more you dig into this, and there's been guys like Project Go and C, and you read the sightings, you realize how widespread this damn thing is. It's like it's in a lot of places where it only has the most minimal amount of wood cover, deer population, and fairly close to humans in many cases, which makes the fact that it's still out of touch,

of reach even more, like, infuriating. Like, how can it's possibly be happening? Like, they've kind of had odds with each other. But that's what's really kind of intrigued me. Just recently, more sightings are coming out from very credible people of, particularly in the South, there's just a lot of activity in just semi-rural areas. It's not like you don't have to go up to the, you know, deep in the Pacific Northwest or something.

It just needs some cover, some water. and some game. And I believe I read some stat somewhere that like there's more deer today than there was 100 years ago. There's like 20 times more deer because people are feeding them, you know, with the plots and everything.

So you sort of create, at the same time it's massive habitat destruction. It still might be a, you know, target-rich environment in terms of wild hogs, deer. There's just so much going on out there for these things to... I have type two diabetes, but I manage it well. It's a little pill.

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This is strictly my My own conjecture here Right, right Do you have you ever thought about Going out yourself To try to look at it Or are you pretty comfortable with that? I did go

A funny story Okay Right, it was 2005 in July, and I had my young son with me. I was really into it. I had been reading, you know, Lauren Coleman. He has his great book, Apes and a true story of Apes in America. And I was just looking at BRFO and looking at all the siting reports.

And we took a vacation to South Carolina on the coast. So I said, look, like one day I'm going to take my son. We're going to go, you know, look for Bigford, quote, unquote. So I did the research. I found a siting and it was, you know, 45 minutes north of where we were staying. So I went to the, it was like Francis, National Forest. And I'm driving.

We had a minivan, you know, so I got my son. We were on camo. It was partly just put on. Hey, let's do this. Have some fun. So we, you know, I had done the research. Like, okay, this is potentially, we went during the daytime, but we drove, he's in the backseat watching Scooby-Doo the

whole time. We finally get there. We go through a small town. We're out in the woods. We're in this marshy area. And I'm like, okay, this looks pretty, pretty squashy, so to speak. So we finally get to the end of this dirt road. and there's a trail, this is apparently where the sighting had happened that was in the BRFO report,

there was a trail going through this kind of marshy, woody area. And when we pulled up to it and looked down this trail, it looked like a tunnel going through this dark, congested, kind of creepy looking thing. So I was like, okay, we're here. And he was like, no way he would not get out of the car. He was crying, he screamed, really. Oh, wow. And so I was like so frustrated. I spent all this time.

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I'm looking down the, I mean, I'm just trying to make something out of nothing. And I look on the ground, and God damn it, there is a, looks like this big-ass footprint. No way. It didn't have toes, but it had that classic shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was big. So I had my camera. I took the picture.

I took my shoe off and put it next to it. And I was like, well, thank God I got out. And so then I'm still looking at it. Well, here comes his other car. This guy drives right over it. Oh, nice. Yeah, perfect, bud. I had taken a picture, so I sent it in to the beer for they called me back.

I said, look. Oh, cool. There was no toes or anything, but I was like, this isn't an area where there was a siding. This sort of looks like one. It was certainly big enough. But I felt gratified, like, okay, I'm one for one. You know, this was July 2005. Katrina hit two months later, and that put an end to my big footing for quite a long time.

So I had to get on to other things. Keeping up with this stuff, even as a hobby, is almost the, I don't want to say it's a full-time job, but it's just something. It's pretty intense, dude. Yeah. I think the armchair researchers get slagged, and I don't consider myself one of those, but the point is you can keep up with what's going on. There's so much good information out there. You can develop at least some kind of working body of knowledge that has practical impacts for this pursuit of this hobby or whatever you want to call it. Do you have any other favorite

resources that have been helpful over the last few years? I know you mentioned the Lauren Coleman book, but anything else that comes to mind? Yeah, I was really interested at first in the classics. Bobby Short had that, I believe she's passed away, but she had a website called Bigfoot Encouners, and it's still there. And that's got all the classics in the ape canyon and all that. That was a lot of fun. And then now, nowadays, it's, it's channels like yourself, all the interviews, the Sarsquart Chronicles, some of these YouTubers. That's where kind of all the action is. And you sort of have to, you know, see what kind of suits your fancy.

Some of it's better than others. I appreciate the time these people put in, even though yourself, you know, no one's getting paid doing this. No. It's a passion project. It really is. Yeah. It is. Yep.

Totally. Totally. It's a positive vibe of just sharing information. I think that's really, again, needs to be commended because at one point that really wasn't happening. But, you know, and I mentioned Southern Bigfooters. You know, one guy really loved and he just recently passed away, Carrie Arnold. Oh, yeah. What a good do.

That story was really compelling. It kind of got me back into the subject because there was so much bitterness and negativity back in the day. It was easy to get burnt out and the hoaxing and the refrigerator and all the stuff that happened. Right. I can't deal with this. But then you see somebody like that tell that story and it's like, whoa, you know, this is Mike Woolley. You know, these people are very powerful speakers. they're obviously very genuine.

Their life's been changed by this. This isn't like a joke. And it just kind of pulls you in even further. So good. Bit Squatch. It has been a pleasure talking to you. Thanks for also just chatting about Bigfoot in general. I think in the future, the way that this AI stuff is progressing,

I could see us easily chatting, you know, maybe a year down the road or having some sort of follow-up episode if you'd be up for that. Sure. Yeah, this has been extremely enlightening. Thanks for coming on and helping tell everyone what's going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of the first, you messaged me right away and you said, he had this great quote. You said, who is this?

And you had like an exclamation point. I was like, who is this guy? I was like, this better not just be like the moth boys hanging out, right? Like, who did you think it was? I had no idea. I had no idea. I didn't know how to read that. I was like, I was flattered by the question, but I was like, you know.

Yeah. I just thought it was funny. But it was just like, you know, when I first saw your account, I was like, this is such an interesting combination of a, you know, rapidly accelerating science plus cryptozoology. And I got to get what the story on this is. So I'm glad that you're cool with coming on. And it has been a fun chat. Biskwotch, do you mind taking a few minutes reminding people how they can keep up to date with what you're all doing? Yeah, I just have two channels right now.

I have an Instagram channel called Bitsquatch. So if you search Instagram, you'll find that. And I had an older account that's been retired. And you'll say, hey, we moved. If you find the wrong one, it'll link to the new one. and then I have a Twitter, same thing with BitSquatch. And I think you'll post the links. Exactly.

Oh, yeah. Instagram is the main thing. I get on Twitter and just kind of goof around, but Instagram is where I'm posting the images as they're the ones that are kind of worthy to be shown. For every image posted, I have dozens, sometimes hundreds. I'm sure. Yeah. You have to iterate to kind of get something worth showing.

So definitely go over, follow BitSquatch on Instagram, Twitter, but I mean, you're not going to find images like this anywhere else. So get in on Bidsquatch. It's a good time. It's enlightening. But thank you so much for coming on again, sir. Thank you, man. I really appreciate it.

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