Bigfoot Society - A Search for Sabe Bigfoot Documentary Youtube Live discussion | Tate Hieronymus | Ron Mann Read

Episode Date: August 15, 2022

#143Tate Hieronymus is a Bigfoot researcher who is soon to release the documentary series "A Search for Sabe".Ron Mann Read is an avid hiker and Bigfoot researcher.Episode Resources:Tate Hieronymus:Tate's Youtube channel - https://www.youtube.com/user/tatehieronymusBluff Creek Project Podcast - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCt_mKhNSETUPU1nu_N55nwAOne Strange Podcast - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBaUnpLSZTUwmeytkxX7dbQRon Mann Read:Trailing Giants Facebook group - https://www.facebook.com/Trailing-Giants-188267931208363Check out Jonathan Easley's Western Bigfoot Exploration Youtube channel for more Bigfoot documentaries - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLKVc5Id8l1sC_rOWw8Kl7QFOR MORE INFO ON THE VAN METER VISITOR FESTIVAL:https://www.facebook.com/vanmetervisitorfestival/_____________________________Join us over on Patreon! Get access to more content about the Iowa expedition, a whole library of extended shows, exclusive merch like a membership card and stickers, watch me interview guests weekly live on video, a Patron-only Discord and more.https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyPick up a Bigfoot Society shirt to rep the podcast!https://www.etsy.com/shop/BigfootSocietyTune in every Saturday at 5 pm Central for new episodes of Bigfoot Society!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7QIG: https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Full links: https://bit.ly/bigfootlinksSupport the show

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Welcome back to an extra episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Every month I'll be doing a live YouTube episode, Bigfoot Society Live. And this month, I had the privilege of chatting with Tate Hieronymus and Ron Mann-Reed, primarily about Tate's upcoming documentary series, A Search for Sabae. We talk about everything all over the board. And some really fun questions from the YouTube audience came up during the filming. So definitely make sure you're subscribed to the Bigfoot Society YouTube channel in order to not miss out on those live experiences once a month. But sit back, relax, and we'll chat all about Tate and Ron's adventures through California, Washington, Idaho, and a little bit of my adventures with Tate in Iowa as well.

So thanks again for listening to the Bigfoot Society podcast and enjoy this interview. All right, Bigfoot Society. We've got a fun interview tonight. This is actually a live show on YouTube. We're going to start doing those once a month on YouTube. And I see we've got a few people here right now with us in the chat. If you've got any questions for my guest, we've got Ron Mann-Reed, and we've got Tate Hieronymus Bigfoot researchers.

We're supposed to have Jonathan Easley, but that's all right. He had some work stuff come up at the last minute. So Scott, I'd see you're hanging out with this. Good to see you there, dude. But today's topic is we're going to be talking primarily about Tate is coming out with a documentary called Search for Sabay. And it's a four-part documentary series about how he went through different locations throughout the U.S. And he had some other people with him at times. You know, I was with him for an episode.

We'll talk about that. Ron, who you may know from the group. trailing giants on Facebook and he's got some really cool Bigfoot and hiking videos on YouTube. He was there for a few of the episodes as well. And just a shout out Jonathan as well. Guys, if you don't know Jonathan Easley Western Bigfoot exploration, definitely check out his channel out. You know, there's some solid, really, really good Bigfoot documentaries on there about Bluff Creek and Tate's channel as well. I'll have those all linked at the end.

but how are we doing today guys oh i'm good i'm just barely rolling out of bed here dude i'm i'm so thankful that i know like life is crazy right now like ron is working hard and i'm thankful you're here dude and tate is just tate and like it's just me and i went to iowa state fair yesterday with my family so i felt like it got punched in the face 10 times because tate you know how it gets like that fair just destroys you, but it's really fun, right? Yeah, dude. It's wild.

Man, like, I don't even want to talk about it, but it's a good time. We'll talk later. But so, just want to say it again, we got, this is a live show, but it'll also be on the Bigfoot Society podcast. But if people watching, you know, we're going to be talking about a search for Sabe talking about, you know, Tate's adventures, Ron's adventures, and my adventures, too, because I was involved with an episode of this. If you guys have questions,

feel free to put them in the chat and we'll work those in in the show. But yeah, Tate, let's start with this. Tell us a little bit about why create this documentary series and what's it all about? I wanted to create it because I was bored.

Okay. Yeah, I think that's just the main gist, honestly. I was bored. I was like, oh, this sounds like fun. I want to do something. And I want to grow my YouTube channel. So I was like, man, I've had a YouTube channel for years,

and I just want to just grow it. And I feel like when I made my last documentary, I got a lot of followers from it on YouTube. And so I was like, well, I like the subject. I like filmmaking. It's fun. So let's do another series.

And I wanted to go to Washington, which is a place I've never been before. And that was my first time there. So that was really exciting. So I was like, well let's just do it so and then uh the name i was listening to on the patreon on your patreon yes someone mentioned that and they liked the fact that i had the name sabbe in there so sabbe i i was watching survivor man bigfoot and it was on the willa creek episode where he mentioned that

he was in manitoba canada and i think the tribe up there the name for saskwatcher bigfoot in that area, Sabay, and each animal in that, you know, the seven teachings they have, each animal represents a different attribute. One is like strength or courage and Sabay, Bigfoot represents honesty. So I was like, well, that's a good way to have two, it's a double meaning. So it has, I want to come about this documentary series honestly and have the name Bigfoot in it somehow. So I was like, a search for Sabah.

And I was like, that sounds pretty cool. so that's kind of where I went with that. And I think that's really important to point out Tate because we won't get into any specifics. But it's important to know that not everything you see on TV is 100% accurate. But the thing that's really cool about Tate's series, and I learned this really hands-on

because I was out there in the field with them, is you don't have 70 Bigfoot things happen every day. it's a lot of it is you're being patient you're camping and you're waiting for that perfect moment and I think we had some really cool stuff happen that you know we'll talk more about that later but we got a really important question here first Tate Scott from Patreon says

distracted by the base hanging out behind Tate is that a Rickenbacker? Yeah it's a 1970 Rickenbacker since it's going to be on YouTube it'll be shown bought it in Chicago So it has the cigarette burns around the headstock, which is pretty cool. That is very cool. So there you go, Scott.

Now you know, now you know the story of Tate's base. Ron, I got a question for you before we get into it. So how is it that you got involved with going out in the field with this Tate character? What's the story behind there? It was 2018. I was making my way out to do some long-distance hiking. I was the year that I first started using the term trailing giants. It was originally supposed to be a film,

and I was going to hike the Bigfoot Trail, which is a long-distance hiking trail out there in the Klamath region. And I got out there and kind of got my butt kicked by the trail a few days in a row, and I ended up in Willow Creek. And, you know, I wanted to make time to do a Bigfoot investigation because that was an important component of the film project was to also do some Sasquatch investigation. And I met Steven Struford at Bigfoot Books,

and he says, hey, there's a, you know, these guys from the Bluff Creek Project and some other individuals are out camping at Historic Laos Camp. You should go out there and try to catch a few of them. So I pulled up probably, what was it, like, 11 or midnight or something well after dark and everyone was by the fire and this strange vehicle with a person and a dog rolls up in the darkness and there I was and they were kind of sketched out at first but then once I introduced myself and when I was there you know I was I was a member of the camp and and it was a great trip you know I got to meet kip morrel and nice and

Danny Perez and later Bobo came out and we followed up on some investigations of some encounters that had happened in the years past and we were checking them out seeing, you know, if we could rediscover some of these locations and it was awesome. And then from there, you know, it had been more, been making more of an effort to get back out to the Bluff Creek area. And I've been, I guess, two more, two additional times after 2018 last year and this year. and we think that it's still an area with lots of potential and some active goings on. So that's why we went back this year and glad we did.

That's awesome. That is awesome. If you haven't heard, I had the privilege of interviewing Ron for Bigfoot Society. This is probably a year, year and a half ago, it feels like it's been a while. But definitely go back in the archives and, you know, check out my interview with Ron. and, you know, if you haven't, there have a guy up to about number 72 with Tate. I'm just kidding.

We've done a few chats, and I appreciate you always coming on, dude. Always a fun time with Tate for sure. So let's get into it. Well, actually, before we do, Tate, how did you meet Jonathan? Oh, God, Jonathan. He's not here, but let's,

we'll talk behind us. back. We'll just do it, yeah. No, I'm just, um, I, I met Jonathan. Well, you know, it's funny. I was on like Facebook scrolling through like videos, like the whole Bigfoot forms and all that kind of stuff on those groups. And I saw this weird video where it's like, this guy got this strange audio from Laos camp. I was like, I don't know about that. So, and it wasn't until, it wasn't until 20, it was 20, um, I went out to Bluff Creek and Jonathan and a few other people

were out there and he's like oh I'm the guy that got this strange audio and so the more I got to talk to him like dude this guy was not hoaxing anything there's no way and then he was like really cool and then we hung out and then I showed him my thermal video that I got and then we went out to different

areas in the Bluff Creek area and hit up and then kept in touch and then it kind of just went from there and ever since then Me and Ron and Jonathan have kind of been like the three amigos. Pretty much, yeah. There you go.

Fantastic. And hey, the cool thing about the live shows is I welcome the crazy chaos. I don't think we're going to get crazy trolls like Alex Petikoff does. I saw. But why not give this question from Alex Petikoff to Tate? Tate, how long do you usually go splashing for? Is 15 minutes good? That's a valid question.

question, dude. If only I could say bad words on this on YouTube. Don't make me at it. If you're a veteran squatcher, that's all the time you need. If you're an area X, that's all the time you need. You get in, you get your proof, you get out.

Yeah, yeah. No, if it's longer than that, then you're just, it's overkill. I once spent half an hour out in the woods. Yeah. And for 15 minutes, I didn't do anything. Yeah, that, yeah, 15 minutes, yeah, that's, let's move on.

But before we do, let's put a little bit of a serious spin on it. So like, let's say I'm headed out for a few days. What's the least amount of time you would probably recommend me go out for? One night, two nights, what do you think? I think, well, as you'd learned. Yeah. Honestly, think if you're wanting to do like, least nights is possible because maybe like schedule scheduling or something i would recommend

two nights okay at the least what do you think yeah uh you know what i will say i've had a lot happen in a single overnight at uh um at locations you know so if if you can't afford lots of time or if you're on the road and you're you got a six hour drive from destination a and destination b um what i've learned is at least one night you're there overnight. The tone is kind of set. You have wind down hours. So you have your camping hours and you have an opportunity to lure things in.

And then when you turn in, then you have an opportunity to drop your guard and have things tested luck, so to speak. Yeah. And then you have that first morning light. You know, there's just there's a large period of time just from sun down to sun up. and animals are going to make their presence be known, not always specifically Sasquatch, but you get an idea you can take in a lot from a single overnight. As long as you make time either before nightfall or after to inspect the area, you can walk away with a lot of information for follow-up investigations.

So use daylight to see what's around you and then use the night to let things check you out, so to speak. What I have learned isn't enough is to go from one location and spend a couple of hours squatching after dark and then give up and go to another location. All right, quick quiz for the hiring managers out there. What's worse? Being understaffed or being poorly staffed? Well, that's a trick question because both are recipes for chaos. Either way, just say to yourself, this is a job for indeed sponsored jobs.

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Mount Hood and it took a couple of other additional trips to realize that there were areas with potential because they spent more time there. And same thing with Bluff Creek. You know, we'd have our little areas that had a handful of sightings and we'd go there, we'd call for an hour, then we'd retreat back to Laos camp and we wouldn't get anything. But, you know, after doing this trip, this year, you know, with Tate's project and Jonathan's project, all of our collective projects, we made sure that, you know, areas that had a reputation, we gave from them each at least one night. And I think my understanding of those areas and our mutual understanding of these areas and their habitat potential and everything else, it's grown exponentially just because we took a full night instead of portion of a couple of hours or so.

some solid advice, especially look around your surroundings in the daytime before. Like, that's exactly what Tate and I did. Well, yeah. We were looking around. To go along with Ron, um, yeah,

like he said, either, either or works one or two nights, both is good, whatever you can manage. Um, and what Ron said is perfectly, it perfectly makes sense. And the whole Bluff Creek thing when, because like, we had,

I don't know how many years, been going up there and we like ron said we would start at laos camp as our main area to go out but what people don't realize about bluff creek yeah maybe everything is in kind of that general area but to like drive from louse camp to say one air like one of these areas out there it's a good 30 minutes sometimes to an hour um then that's one hour out one hour back in then you got to have the time to be squashing out there. So it's like, that's not a lot of time in retrospect, you know, through a whole night. So that's where like, we were like, dude, let's just camp at each spot.

So we went to each spot in the whole Bluff Creek region. And there's a few spots we still haven't gotten to camp at that I really want to go. But some of the main spots I really wanted to go, we did go. So that was really cool. before we get going into the different locations you went through I feel this is a good question to throw in here too at this point Scott from the Patreon says what criteria do you look for in choosing a place to squash and I feel this could be really interesting from both you take

I don't know if you want to start and then Ron can if Ron wants to or vice versa yeah okay so I guess I guess I've become a little bit methodical about it. How I choose a spot, typically square one is I just look up, if I know I'm going to go to an area to do some hiking or if I kind of have a place in mind, but I'm not entirely sure. I'll start with, I guess, a case in point would be like, let's say I'm planning a Bigfoot trip to the Adirondacks. So I just go Bigfoot Adirondacks, Google it.

And typically I'll get something from the BFRO. I'll deep dive the BFRO database what's public. And then I start to try and corroborate that data with an additional sightings database. And so from there, I will look and see, okay, there's four or five sightings that are all coming out of the same town, wilderness, or river. And so that kind of helps me hone in on a landmark or a local town. And so when I see those kind of clusters where the name drops, you know, you've got a list of 12 sightings and you see out of four to six of those it's the same town, then I know, okay, instead of the entire Adirondacks region and flying blind, I'm now in this area that's known for Bigfoot activity. And even if half of those are BS, like there's still something there with those other half that have potential. So at that point, you're trying to, you know, you're doing a little bit of statistical.

analysis. From there, I have to admit to myself that we are on the fringe of wilderness, and that typically these sightings that happen, it's out of a dynamic change in the environment. People are driving because there's a highway there. There's a, there's that, I guess, overlapping of human habitat and Bigfoot habitat. And so I don't think that the potential is maximize where the encounters occur, I think it's typically maximized somewhere else. So the population, I guess, is in a different location. So then I start looking for water sources and establish trail networks to access some of the more remote areas. If I see a really biologically diverse national forest or something with prevalent streams and rivers,

I kind of say that looks like an epicenter for not just Bigfoot habitat, but all local wildlife. And that's where I want to go to get the most understanding of what lives in these mountains and where Bigfoot's place is in it. And so I try to deviate from the BFRO, like Ground Zero, go to the sightings location mentality because in the past that hasn't really turned up a lot for me. Right, right. So you want to try to get to wherever they're coming from. They're trickling out of the mountains and having encounters with people. And I think, you know, if you look at the layout and you try to find a watershed and follow up the creek, you know, you'll find the epicenter of that animal's range. It's a lot of good stuff there.

Personally, I use bigfootmap.com. similar to that, but I like being able to see the visual. I was using that when me and Tate were talking about setting up our expedition in Iowa. But Tate, do you have anything to tag on to that? I think I do agree, like, just because there's a site in an area, it doesn't mean that's going to be, where it's going to have activity. I mean, you can look at it this way, like someone saw a deer right over here near the edge of town. That doesn't mean that's where they're going to be frequent, just because you saw one.

I mean, yeah, obviously it came from somewhere. So where did it come from? You got to look for where it came from. Where is the food source that the deer is using water source and stuff like that? So you kind of look for that. You can use it as a jumping off point of those sightings and like, okay, there's a siting here. Now where near here is the food source, the water source, the cover, you know, all that good stuff. And that's kind of what I would look for is just food and water.

I like generally isolated areas because there's not a lot of people are going to be going into that area so there's less people I think you have a better chance of having something happen just because you don't have like other campers or people bothering you

or making noise where it's disrupting the piece so I think that's kind of what I do that's kind of what that's a good way to do it what Ron said too so both ways what him and I said I think are really good ways to oh yeah Yeah. Perfect, perfect. Before we, well, let's get into, should we start with the Iowa expedition portion first. All right. I'm going to start out with, I'm actually going to share that little teaser you sent over to me, Tate. Yeah, do it. All right. So we get, let me get it. So this is going to be a little, it's a little clip that Tate sent me of the beginning of the Iowa episode, which will be premiering end of September. So here we go.

When I think of, you know, when the normal person thinks to Iowa, you're thinking of flat, cornfield, stuff like that. What we had to drive into, once we drove into the area, I mean, it really feels more like you're in a place like the North Woods or like New England. Rolling, you know, pretty steep hills, tons of forest. and a lot of animals out here too. So, yeah, I was surprised by what kind of terrain is out here. You could definitely see it as a place for, you know, Bigfoot and other things like that. Awesome. And I've seen the whole, I mean, I live the episode, but I've seen the whole episode and Tate did a fantastic job.

But let's talk about it, Tate. So why, and I think we talked earlier, you're going to ask me some questions along way. But why choose this area in Iowa? Since you're the one that came up with where to go. Well, my whole big footing career didn't really start until I was in California when I moved that way like 2015. And so, you know, once I kind of had more of like once I really knew how to do big footing and stuff when I moved back to Iowa, you know, I kind of grew up listening like I had friends that had signs in Iowa and Missouri. So I was like, dude they gotta be here and the more I learned about it it's like they can be anywhere

and so I did the whole Google like I was looking on Google Maps and to see where is the forest that have possible you know where's the like the really good areas where's the water okay I know there's water here there's I know there's deer in Iowa for sure that's that's no question there's no doubt in my mind about that so it's I kind of just started going there and just kind of you know scouting it out like there's this area has it all, honestly. This is, say what you will, but Iowa definitely has the potential habitat to support an animal like a bigfoot. I mean, it's not that far-fetched if you think about it.

No, it's not. Honestly, it's not. Because, like, I mean, you'd be a fool to say bear don't travel through the state of Iowa. Yeah. And I really think they do. I mean, you got them in Minnesota and you got mountain lines of Minnesota. and there's been sightings of mountain lions in Minnesota. I think there's a museum that has like,

like a, was it like a map or whatever of mountain lion sightings in the state? So you know there's predators there for sure. So why not Bigfoot? And then using the BFRO context that I have, a couple of people that I know in the northeast part of the state of Iowa, they actually recorded some audio down on this. area where we were at.

And so I was like, dude, I knew there's activity here. I just never had it for myself, but I know they're there. Yeah. So going off that information, I was like, okay, we should try the spot because I know they're going to, I know they're going to be there. It's just when are they going to be there? Yep. And it was, it was crazy.

So, you know, I was my first time going out, uh, big footing and Tate invited me to come along. And so we make the, we make the convoy trek to, to, to the spot. you know, it's out there. And then you get into the place and you've got to go even further out. And I was like, where in the world are we going like, you know, a solid if, I mean, it was like on the dirt roads. And then you get off like, it got to the point where it was like going up and down hills. And I was like, man, I feel like I'm back in, you know, New Hampshire, Vermont or like Western Mass.

Like it was crazy for Iowa. And we're way out there and like some crazy. remote like you know boy scout whatever camp with no water and it i mean thankfully you know tate was prepared he had his uh he had his burgers ready to go i had my dehydrated food but uh he was like dude we got burgers don't worry and i was like uh this is great so but i learned so much uh you know we're out there for two days uh well two nights uh the first day was really high 110 heat index that was something else you know it was crazy though It was hot in Des Moines, but where we were, I don't think it was nearly as hot because there was roads buckling, you said, in Des Moines.

Well, yeah, at that point, the West Des Moines Highway was buckling in multiple areas. Thankfully, in our area we were at, we didn't have to worry about that. The roads don't buckle, but. Hope. So, you know, I learned a lot. It was like going out in big, footing. It's so much camping and waiting until the nighttime when it's game time and you're waiting and so many, so many good lessons. We heard some, some interesting things. And, you know,

Tate, I don't know how far we want to get into it. But, you know, we definitely, especially the second night when I had my recorder out there for, for the whole night. I got about five, six hours the audio man we were capturing some really interesting audio that's going to be revealed in that Iowa episode in the end of September yeah I agree and you know I think something I think is interesting for people to know is since it was your first time stay tuned for more bigfoot society we'll be right back after these messages you had that bigfoot on the brain where you thought oh I did you thought a lot of things were big so you were a lot of things so you were a like asking me, you're like, hey, is this a big foot or is that a big foot or something?

And I'm like, eh, I don't think it was. There was. So the first night was really, was really bad because I was like, Tate was like, I'm going to take a nap. And I was like, dude, what are you taking a nap for? And I didn't realize, like, hey, if you're staying up late, you probably need to be taking naps to repair. So I was around the campfire. And I was like, all right, quick quiz for the hiring. managers out there. What's worse? Being understaffed or being poorly staffed? Well, that's a trick question, because both are recipes for chaos. Either way, just say to yourself, this is a job for Indeed's sponsored jobs. You'll get matched with candidates that meet the skills, certifications,

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phone, trying to like not think of other stuff. And my mind started playing tricks on me. It was like,

I thought I heard a knock it, but we it was you know there was i think there was wind at that time stuff like that we pretty much decided at that one it was kind of big foot on the brain i mean it just shows you like it's not as easy as one person thinks like oh this or that no like as researchers i mean wrong can attest to it i mean you gotta be listening

you almost have to be on your game pretty much it's not just camping i mean because you're also looking and listening for things. And you could have to have a basic knowledge in wildlife almost. Exactly. Because you're like, well, case and point in buddy, I'm just, you know, sent me some audio of something he thought was a mountain lion. And I listened to it. I was like, dude, that's a fox. And I know that because I made the same mistake because I recorded one thinking it was a mountain lion that I made sure to ask just to make sure.

And they said, yeah, that was a fox. So it's important to have a good understanding of the animals that are out there, what noises they make. Exactly. I would say just like go on YouTube, honestly, and just listen to different animals sounds of animals that you know for sure in the area. Oh, yeah. And kind of get familiar, like, okay, well, that's this, that's that, that's whatever that is, you know. There was a few times out there where we were at, we heard an owl that you thought it was like,

dude, this is. So I captured that in my night audio. And I thought after I heard it, I was like, dude, we found the next area X. But it turns out that a bard owl sounds like a monkey at times. Like it or this weird like scream thing. And I was like, okay, well, there you go. That's why you spend the time researching the area you're going to be in and listening to all the animal noises. Especially foxes can sound really weird too.

Yeah. So it's definitely more involved than just camping. Oh, yeah, totally. Totally. Any other interesting things come to mind, Tate, or questions you would want to ask me about the whole Iowa episode thing. So, yeah. So, Ron, if you have any thoughts on it, too, you can feel free to ask. Yeah, I'm trying to think of something right now.

So, okay, your first, you know, like your expectations going into it versus what you got out of it. What was that? Yeah. So that's a good, that's a really good question. So my main, my main thing was not to actually, it was to be able to connect better with people I interview on the podcast because I look at myself more as, you know, I'm in a way a journalist, not as much a Bigfoot researcher, but I'm a journalist who talks to people in the field. And for that, that was a success because I thought of many different ways that I was able to relate to Bigfooters after just being there for two days. You know, just going through it and realizing, hey, you have to sit around a lot before you can get the action usually. So that was my main thing.

But, you know, stuff happened where I was like, you know, I wasn't expecting us to hear anything, honestly. but that Sunday night was weird dude. I mean, so like, I mean, did you, did you think it were, do you think big footing required that much patience? Or do you think it was a lot easier than that? So I knew that it did, but there's something about when you're sitting in camp and just trying to keep yourself occupied for hours and hours that really drives home the point that there's patience and there's waiting involved. So that was a new experience for me as well. That's why I drink during the day. Yes, you do, my friend.

Mike is here. Mike says, yo, what's up? Mike, Casey, good to see you. Why not? Hey, Gilbert says, Tate, are you related to Bob Peronomist? Why not? We'll just throw that out there. No, I'm not.

No, absolutely not. Thanks, Gilbert, so much. It's spelled differently, right? Yeah, so my name is. my name you can see it right here on the spelling Bob Hieronymus is H-E-I-R-O-N-I-M-U-S.

There's no why. Sorry, bud. Better luck next time. Weird coincidence. I get it all the time. I do give you props for asking that. I actually enjoy it when people ask it. It's pretty funny.

It's funny stuff, yeah. All right, good question. Any other questions for me, guys? Come on, Ron. I know you have some. I'm trying to play. Ron's on fumes right now. It's all right, buddy.

Yeah. I'm trying to think. So you obviously kind of had different expectations going into it versus what happened, more of a patient's game realizing. Did you like, obviously, let's talk about Bigfoot in the brain real quickly. You said you had Bigfoot on the brain, how much that playing in a factor your first time out? Because it's different for everybody. I mean, because you've interviewed a ton of people talking about experiences in the woods.

And so did you probably look back on those interviews trying to help with the whole Bigfoot on the brain? I mean, I think a lot of it is just you have to be, you have to get out there. And then I felt like my viewpoint kind of switching when I was past the first day and like after the first night and like that initial like okay tate's in the truck it's me in the tent hopefully something doesn't come like knocking on the tent door right uh but after that i was like okay this is cool you know just kind of chill out a little bit and not everything in the woods you hear right now is a big foot and then you know uh we had some good chats about that as well but i think once i got past that initial day like you know things were a little bit better in that regard so and obviously obviously you realize

like even if there was like the craziest encounter nothing's going to kill you because right if that was the case wrong would be dead i'd be dead oh totally yeah bobo cliff everybody that we know would probably not here anymore so i mean obviously these things are around and if they wanted to kill you they would but they don't so they were around dude right did you have you had you had you had you had you doesn't have to say wrong? Yeah, I just wanted to ask you if you'd ever been camping prior to this and how did this Bigfoot trip kind of hit different?

Yeah, that's going in, knowing that you were going to do an investigation. Like, it's like for me, it's, I'll touch base on it after you comment, but it's almost like a camping trip, but then plus. Yes. So how did it feel for you going and saying, I'm not just putting up a tent and spending the night. I'm doing something different, you know. So, Ron, I grew up really involved.

I grew up in Western Mass, really involved with, like, hiking and camping outdoors. But like me and my father, we've hiked the Appalachian Trail in all of Massachusetts and Connecticut. So, but what we usually would do is we would do hammock camping. so he would put up hammocks between trees. But the difference is, so one, I was in high school, now I'm pushing 40. So that's a little different. So it's been about a good 20 years since I busted out to hike and stuff. But the difference that I noticed is when you're hiking and there's no Bigfoot involved,

you're just focusing on let's get to camp, let's set up camp, let's eat, then we go to bed. When you put Bigfooting into the mix, it's all that and more because then when you get past all that stuff. Then it's game time and then the crazy stuff could happen. So you're kind of like, you got to do all that camping stuff, but then you're getting amped up until, okay, this is when the stuff could actually happen. Yeah. So it's double, dude, for real. I can see that. I always have this feeling like when you're, when you're heading into a camping area,

you're thinking, oh, it's a retreat. I don't have to work for a few days. I might go swimming in a lake or I'm going to break out the fishing pole and catch some fish. But I do like going to an area that I've had experiences in the past or going to a new area that has this level of like legendary status. It's I get that feeling like I feel like I'm the crew of the ship going to Skull Island. you know, I get that very like, okay, we're about to make a big discovery, or we're about to be in the middle of, you know, uncharted territory, essentially. And sometimes that feeling kind of goes away, you know, when I go and assess the area in real time.

But then other times, like, I come out of that area being like, absolutely. We had an encounter with King Kong, you know. Right, yeah, yeah. No, dude, I totally get that because, like, after, I spent hours and hours going over that audio, there was some stuff, you know, that comes out in that episode. And I was like, it made, there were a few days afterwards. I was like, I can't explain what I heard and I'm going to be trying to explain that for the rest of my life. Like, seriously, it just, it puts questions in your head and you're like, I don't know how to explain this, dude.

Welcome to the club. Yeah, welcome to that's what Tate was saying. He's like, that's how it is. Good luck, man. there's some good questions in the comments yeah i am getting to let's see so i'm going to leave gilberts for later let's do this scott says how many episodes are planned for search for saba and what will their release schedule be so um episode one is iowa

that comes out september 20th california is november 20 is that right november september november yeah you were going to put it on No, September, yeah, so September 20th is Iowa, October 20th is California. November 20th is Washington. And then last one, not least, December, Idaho is, you know, December 20th. So from here on out to the end of the year, four episodes. So I think that was a good little chat about Iowa, unless we had some more we want to throw.

but I think we're good to move on. What do we think, guys? I will put a little plug in here. If you want to hear more about the Iowa trip, I've got a ton of stuff in Patreon.com for the Bigfoot Society. There's interview, me and Tate chatted in the field. We've got it in the field interview, and we're going to have some sound analysis.

I'm going to have some sound analysis in there from what I recorded after Tate releases the episode. So there's that. But let's talk about California is next. So tell me what you can tell me about where did you guys go in California? What we have going on there? So there's one area I can't say the name. Okay.

But I call it Nogo Valley. That was one of the areas. When I go to Bluff Creek each year, I always try to go to Onion Lake, Lared Meadow, or Nogo Valley. you know and so like kind of what wrong was saying earlier we wanted to camp at each of these spots instead of just going there for a few hours so we ended up camping at no go valley which is like a huge thing i wanted to do always since going there and then i've never got to camp at you know like onion lake so we wanted to go there okay um laran meadow that was another place we wanted to go camp at so um that was a lot of fun to do that and so we got to cross it off on a bucket list

And I think that's going to be a cool part of the episode. That's awesome. So that was, so that's a pretty big deal going to this one, the first time for you going to this one area, then the, the valley area. Well, I've been there before. I just, we've never camped that. Oh, right. Yep. We would drive to that spot.

Like, I've been, I've drove in there several times. But like I said, it's just, it's so far from camping. Even Alex in the chat can attest to it and wrong to. It's, it's far. to drive out there because those roads in the Bluff Creek area, you can get a flat tire so easy so you don't want to drive fast. You have to drive slow. That's why it takes so long.

Exactly. So if you do get a flat, it just multiplies that time. So that's why it takes so long. So it eats up so much of your time. And then when you get out there, you're there for the rest of the night and you come back at sunrise. So that happened to us last year.

with Alex and Eli and Ron and Jonathan. It was like the sun was coming up and we got back at 5 in the morning. Was that a thing where you guys were meeting at a certain point? Or was Tate doing stuff, Ron doing stuff in a different area? Were you pretty much together for that whole area, for the whole time? We pretty much stayed course. the whole time, I believe.

I wanted to get out a little bit earlier to follow up on an area. The first day I had hiked the Bigfoot Trail, I had a pretty unusual circumstance happen with what I thought was a stump at dusk, and it seemed to get up and move, and I couldn't relocate it. And that was under poor visual condition. So I got out a few days early, and I had spent the night at that location before grouping with Tate and some other people of the Bluff Creek project. I'm trying to follow up, try to recreate that visual effect and investigate that area a little bit further.

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for GSK um yeah that was an interesting adventure in and of

itself but probably a story for another day but then yeah we we grouped up

after that and pretty pretty much stayed together from there all the way through Iowa where we

split off he went and group you and I had to get back to Wisconsin got you

yeah And I think that was the longest we've camped in Bluff Creek. Was it 10 days, 11 days? Yeah. I mean, that's the longest. Half a month. No, not half a month. That's third a month.

Third a month. It's still a long time. It is. Yeah. And even, you know, Bluff Creek is such a huge area. Even 10 days is not a lot of time for that whole area. Because, you know, we were there for the first three days waiting on everybody else to join us. and you know that took it some time out so you and our left with so much time left to go to these areas

and it was unusual weather too the first three days it was raining and cold yeah like this is uh october weather not july weather did you notice anything uh different about the area because you were there for such an extended period of time as opposed to previous years I wouldn't save I think we had more opportunities to see wildlife Okay We were there a little bit longer And driving roads staying active each day

And each evening And as a result We saw a few bears And we did see deer I mean you expect to see those animals out there They're pretty common We kept seeing Or hearing of the Martin

out there, Humboldt Martins or otherwise, unless we're misidentifying them, if there's Pine Martins up there too. I think they were saying it's Pine Martins. Yeah, but they caught some. We had a group, another group of big footers that go out around that time of year, and they were catching them on trail cameras,

and we caught a couple of them, caught one on a dash cam, and then saw a second one off the side of the road. So, yeah, definitely just, we were able to see more wildlife and then also just getting out there and spending more than a couple of hours in the dark at a place like Laird Meadow.

We did several Meadow walks and would find a little bit more strange sign out there that we'll talk about in the series but then also just a lot of animal sign too. Of course,

it was a different pattern of weather. Like Tate was saying, it's usually dry, and the rainfall doesn't really come until the fall. And so Laird Meadow had a bunch of standing water in it. And that available water source probably was, it brought a bunch of fresh animal activity, a lot of life to that area. And I think last year it was a little less active

in terms of animals in general, just because it was a dry, grassy meadow. But now there's ponds out there, you know, where tadpoles are growing into frogs. And there were snakes all over the, we were seeing like the snakes. Yeah, it was a whole different environment. It was just because the rain pattern shifted.

That, it was a whole, yeah, like Ronset's a different environment when it's raining. And what's crazy too is this time, I mean, yeah, we wanted to go to these other areas. But I think Ron kind of made a point. I was agreeing with him on that. I was like, yeah, we should make Laird Meadow our main focus this trip. So, I mean, we went to check these other areas out. But we spent most of our time in Laird Meadow.

I think due to the fact that what we had last year, the activity that we had with Alex and I, we're like, dude, if they're going to be here again, it might be in this area, especially with all the water there. It's a nice open area. That's good for hunting too. And the area itself has a history regardless, just from over the years. So we kind of really attacked Laird Meadow pretty hard this year.

That's awesome. That's awesome. One thing I appreciate you about you guys is, you know, you're always trying unique, unique things in the field. I believe, Ron, you've tried, you were the one that tried Didgerid once, correct? And Tate was the one who pioneered

using a drone with a pheromone chip hanging from it, correct? I still, yes. I believe that's right. That's right. We'll leave it at that. But so was this time anything cool or unique that you guys tried out in the field? or?

We didn't watch any movie this time. Not a, yeah, not at Bluff Creek. We ended up employing a projector and screen out at Bumping Lake. We had a bunch of great ideas. I took a risk and

brought a PS5. We were going to hook up to a projector and play a game called Ancestors, the Human Kind Odyssey. It's kind of like an Assassin's Creed type game where you're like an ancient relict hominid trying to survive a hostile

period in the Miocene or a place to scene epics and I think it's Mia scene. But, and we just didn't get around to doing that. We'd get so tired after setting up camp or surveying certain areas. It was just too elaborate to put up the PlayStation to the projector and set up the screen.

It's like it's so many steps. process and it always seemed like we couldn't find one HDMI cord or something like that. But I'm going to do that eventually. I'm going to do it up here in the North Woods of Wisconsin. I'm going to play an ape man game to try and lure in an ape man. We just didn't get around to that part. But we used a lot of light projectors and lasers and stuff. You want to tell them about that? Yeah, we had

I don't have it with me, but I have like this little ball. It has like different color lights. I showed you that. We put that. up and then Ron had this really cool, like, laser thing that would play music, and it kind of goes with it. The music and, like, laser shootout is pretty cool. So we did that. We got some interesting stuff, not from the lights in general, but I think Bluff Creek is going

to be a pretty cool episode because we had some weird stuff happen. And then obviously we goofed, we were goofing off and we had fun as one does when it's in the middle of the day and you're doing that. Nothing. Yeah, there's room for some goofing off for sure. I can attest to that. So for those who are interested, we made some funny videos called post later. Is that going to, what is that going to be on your YouTube tape?

I think so, yeah. Okay, cool. Awesome. Yeah, they're hilarious. I might just give them to Ron so he can post. So before we head on over to the next leg of the trip, Are there any other things we would want to know about California or maybe save the rest for the episode? What do you think, Tate?

I will say we found some interesting stuff in California. Okay. I don't want to, I don't want to like reveal anything at this point, you know, for the integrity of, you know, the story. But I think it was probably my most active. like leg of squatching. You know, like, we pulled like the triple threat of,

of good, enticing evidence. And it wasn't, you know, it seemed like some things lacked in quality. But, I think it's hard,

it's hard to say, but it's just, you know, without saying too much, but, um, it was, it was extremely good.

I think, you know, to have such a variety of things. And we did our, our due diligence and we said, okay, could this be something else? You know,

that sound that we heard, you know, what was that? And it was in conjunction with something that we found, like what could it have possibly been? Could have been two unrelated things. And we just went through that process

of trying to debunk a lot of this stuff and explain it away. And the further we got into it, the harder it was to do that. with any degree of absolution. So that's the thing about big footing is, you know, you think you find tracks or you think you catch something on audio or you think you find something interesting.

And you, if you start, if you take a step back and you look at it and say, look, I'm in an active area where bears and mountain lions and people and horses and mice and everything else comes through, is it really a big foot? And I think this was one of the hardest trips to explain away Sasquatch as a conclusion of some sort of some of the stuff we found. Because we didn't just come across one little nugget of interesting thing. It was lots of things that were kind of all coming out of Bluff Creek. It was like...

It was weird. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's like last year was different because we had activity, but we didn't find much. in far as evidence. And this year we had activity with finding evidence. Oh, man.

So, dude. It's crazy because it's like, like Ron said, it's hard to really know. I mean, obviously there was weird things that happened and then we found stuff

to go along with it. So it's like, it's really hard to say. Yeah. All right. Well, hey. What Ron said. It sounds like we definitely want to,

I know I want to check out that California episode for sure, but let's head on up to where we head in Washington. What was the next step? Bumping Lake. Oh. That was, hey, should we tell about our car incidences wrong? I was going to leave that up to you guys if you want to throw it in there. I don't want to go into detail.

We'll just tell them my car got told. My car got totaled out of California. It did not survive the treacherous road conditions out there. Be careful, guys, when you go to California. Yeah. Yeah, so then I was in a rental car with front wheel drive trying to go up into some remote mountain roads in Bucking Lake. But yeah, everything worked out.

I got a vehicle that can handle Bluff Creek a little bit better now. But yeah, it was a trip, dude. It was, yeah, I was trying to figure out rental car options, you know, trying to figure out what they were going to do with my former vehicle. And that vehicle was a legend. It got me everywhere. So RIP, 2014, Ford Escape, titanium edition, color red. you did great things

and I'm glad you went out like a warrior in Valhalla and not like a little punk sun a day on a local highway or something not like a smart car yes yeah so you went up you went up to bumping lake now bumping lake is a pretty it's a hot spot

for for Bigfoot up there isn't it? Yeah I don't Ron did you hear Tristan tell me he's like yeah you put pissing people off saying you're going to Bumping Lake. Oh, is it, but I don't know. To me, it didn't seem like it was a hidden gem. That's what they were saying.

Like, yeah, people know about it already. It's not. If I know about it, it's not a hidden gem. Yeah. And then the thing that surprised me about Bumping Lake was, you know, I had this expectation of it being really isolated or whatever, maybe the certain spots of these campgrounds. But when we got there, there was people driving in every day. day every hour, every minute.

Really? Oh my. Yeah, they were parking lots to the lake, the boat access that were, like, they were filling up. And then there's primitive campgrounds where we were, and there's people in jeeps and, like, dirt bikes driving by all day. I'm thinking, we are literally probably five miles away from the boat dock, and there's people camping everywhere. Wow.

Yeah. And I was, like, thinking, I don't, I can't really say to, like, in my opinion, I don't know. I don't have enough an opinion of the place to give you an honest representation of it. But I'm like thinking, how does this place have this much activity? It's weird, but people swear by it. People that I know and trust, they swear by it, that they still have activity to this day. And then Tristan with the audio from there, who knows? Well, you know, we talked to Paul Graves, and I was skeptical about just how much

exposure of that area got the people or got from people. And but Paul was, he was telling us, he's like, well, you have to look at it. Like, maybe that's what's bringing them here. Maybe they have all this wilderness. They have countless springs, ponds, water sources, acres and acres of food that's readily available. And maybe the only thing that keeps them coming out of the woodwork and having these encounters is they're interested in the people.

Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. right back after these messages. That are paddleboarding or kayaking or swimming in the lake. You know, they come in all different shells of, you know, camper and tents. And, you know, people could just be an interesting thing for something that's, you know, been in. All right, quick quiz for the hiring managers out there. What's worse? Being understaffed or being poorly staffed?

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to the way to do your doctor or pharmaceutical You know, deep wilderness its whole life, and that's the only exposure, because these things aren't going to traverse to Seattle and take a look at the people, you know.

It's kind of like a human zoo. You know, you've got these parking lots and these and this lake access, you know, in some of these camping areas, and then just wilderness. So something could come in into the edge, the fringe of human dwelling, and just take a little bit of. a look and if they get spotted, then they're going into miles and miles of square, square mileage of just endless wilderness. So there's never really a compromise for them to take a look at something interesting

in our human world and then get out. Yeah. You know, he's like, I'm not going to be able to follow anything. If I see something at the end of camp right now, it's going to take off through the woods and I'm not going to catch up to it with all that deadfall and everything else. Yeah. I mean, that made sense to me, you know, it was, you know, they don't have a problem peering in. And then if things get sketchy, going home.

Well, I won't say too much. But one of our friends, Stevie, he said he saw something. Oh, wow. And it got away. But then we kind of went in there looking, you know, trying to see if we could find it again. And then what we were thinking is like, it is like Ron said, It's thick in there. I mean, sometimes it can get really thick.

So especially at night, if you see something, you're not going to be able to chase after it up through these, this hill and trees where there's deadfall. That's going to be impossible, even with a light on it. And what I think is, I do think the reason there is activity too is because where our camps are, it's like butted up against this mountain. Okay.

There's a pretty good line of sight from, our camp to like a ridge that's pretty clear. So anything could be up there watching from down there. And then that's like, as I mentioned that, and Paul's like, yeah, I think that's where they're coming from. They're coming from down there and they're coming back up. You know, they're just going back and forth. And then because the way bumping lake is,

it's kind of a whole, it's in a whole bowl type area. So anything could be on the ridge all the way around the lake and see everything clear as day. I was going to ask you. Did the fact that there were tons of people there as opposed to California where there's definitely not as many people there, did that affect the way that you did big footing in that location at all? Or is it pretty much the same way? We didn't really go out as much. I think we stayed more in camp this time, kind of what we did in Iowa.

But I will honestly say it does affect the way you do research because if there's a lot more people around you, go out like making calls and someone's calling back is like is that a person or a bigfoot sure and that's the issue you got to fight when you're out in a public area like that so i think doing knocks it travels decent you know travels a decent amount of you know space or length or square mileage or whatever you want to say so anything within earshall of that's going to knock back as either a human or bigfoot so i mean it either it's way you still got to contend with people messing with you. That's true because there's probably other big footers there in that location.

It's a big time. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds like it's easier to get into as opposed to the Bluff Creek location where it's like you could, your trailer could fall off into the woods and catch on fire or whatever. Well, I mean, it's easy to get into Bluff Creek. You just have to have good tires. Okay, yeah.

But it's just more isolated in Bluff Creek. No, really only big footer. I think Bluff Creek is one of those areas that you really have to know where you're going to get into because Bumping Lake is so popular. Gotcha, got you. What do you think, Ron? I definitely think that Bumping Lake is a little bit easier. The roads, even the rougher roads, aren't as bad. at least the section that we were driving on.

Yeah, I don't know. It seems like an easier trip in there. Yeah. Because you have to, like with Bluff Creek, I don't know. And is it there also? There's like a national park not too far. Yeah.

From Bumping Lake, right? That's I feel like that's where a lot of people are coming from. You're coming from the national park. And then obviously, like during the summertime, Bumping Lake. There's a huge destination area for, you know, boaters and stuff. Yeah. And it has the amenities, whereas, like, Bluff Creek, you have to, you have to kind of get out there and you're, and there's nothing that's paved or anything like that. You can't get a camper trailer out there.

There's no, like, nice bathrooms. Like, there was a bumping lake. There's, you know. And so that's the nice thing, again, about Bluff Creek, because there's different camp areas in the area you can go to. that probably won't have people, even in the summer, surprisingly. And so the only people that you're really going to run out in Bluff Creek are either locals that know they are really well or other big footers. And even then, it's still pretty low on people coming out there even in the summer. So that's why I like Bluff Creek so much, because it still has all this activity.

It's rich in history. And there's not that many people that go out there even on an annual basis. Gotcha. Whereas, like, Bumping Lake, I was surprised, like, there's a lot. a ton of people here. It was almost disappointing in a way. I was like, man, but you know what? It's still, I wouldn't,

I'm not going to say it's that doesn't have activity. I think it does, but just depends on when you go. Sounds like you still had some interesting things happen there and we'll have to see what that stuff is when the Washington episode releases.

But before we head on to the last stop, which would be Idaho. Anything else that we wanted to throw in about Washington before we head to that last stop? I don't know. I've drawn. Washington's always been kind of a weird state for me because it has a lot of unique historical and landscape type attributes. When I went up to there in 2018, you know, they had the lava flow. I was around a Mount St. Helens area, and they have like the lava tubes. And some people think that that's, you know, bigfoot dwellings up there.

When we were driving in to Bumping Lake, we encountered an old abandoned mine that was right by the highway, but there's tons of abandoned mines throughout the Pacific Northwest. And there's quite a few in Washington. And I just think, you know, here's a couple of other things. You know, you're in a volcanic area. There's hot springs in some of these areas. You know, there's so many other aspects about that Washington environment that you don't get in somewhere like Bluff Creek. And so now you're thinking, like, are these additional things that something like people could take advantage of?

Is Bigfoot living in lava tubes or living in an abandoned mine somewhere? is it, you know, thermoregulating its body temperature in the winter by hanging out in hot springs, you know, just similar to Asian snow macaques, you know. It's just one of those things when you're thinking about adaptability in an animal and behavioral changes. Washington definitely introduces a lot of new characteristics and a lot of new arguments or ideas towards how something like Bigfoot could survive. out there versus an area that doesn't have those potential resources. That's very interesting. Man, I'm going to be thinking about the snow macaque thing.

That's an interesting idea. I like that. I'm thinking about that for a while. Before I move on to it from Washington, I joined the rank of carb being destroyed, not nearly as bad as Ron's. mine didn't die. Oh, I don't, did I hear about this?

I don't think I heard about this. That's the reason. So we were going to go, Ron and I were just going to hang out and have just a relaxed down bumping lake and take some beers and our kayaks out there. Nice. So I had my inflatable one that was deflated and I had it in the back. And then I did not care to want to put that heavy, ridiculous kayak of Ron's on top of the roof racks and tie it down.

Oh, yeah, yeah. So I was like, I'll just open the window and then put it, you know, the, kayaking the back to the tailgate. And then I was backing up leaving camp. And then all of a sudden, I heard like a, it's like, what the heck? And I look over it wrong. I was like, he's making the space. And I get out in my windows all over the ground, in the bed of the truck, on the, you know, the shelf of the truck too.

I get out there and I, you know, sweep some of it out. We get out to where we're going to park and kayak, and I still sweeping out glass and taking pieces out of my kayak and glass was all over wrong. It was a mess. That's wild. Yeah, stuff happened on this trip for sure. At least nobody got hurt. Yeah, that's the crazy thing through this whole thing.

Again, no one got hurt. which is the most important thing. Yeah. So cars. Yeah, cars can be replaced, you know. But Tate and Ron, no, they can't be replaced. So let's talk about the last stop, starting to head back east. But where did you guys go to in Idaho, if you can share that?

We went to two different areas in Idaho. And I think both areas we had something happen. too. Oh, wow. I'm trying to remember. I can't remember the names of the places. Jonathan knows that one. But, yeah, we, Jonathan had an area.

And then the thing was we kind of made plans. Ron and Jonathan had to help me a little bit out on gas because I was so freaking broke. I couldn't afford. Yeah. But luckily it worked out, and I still owe them deeply. I don't know my case of beer with some money on top. And I think I ate probably 50 bucks worth of burgers that you cooked over the course of the trip.

There you go. There you. And then probably 100 bucks worth of beer. Yeah. I gave a lot of weight out of my food. I'm like, here you guys want some burgers. So, but yeah, we went to a couple areas. Definitely places I want to check out when I go back there. Okay.

I know that's for sure. The second, the first place we went to was cool. I looked up on Google Maps. I was like, this place is cool. So we went there and we had something potential happen. And then we packed up, Camo went to another place the next night. And then possibly had some stuff happen, I don't want to say. Right.

And then I would say for me that was probably the highlight on the trip because what we got to do, we went to Idaho State University really early. Why would you go to Idaho State University out of of all the universities in the world. Why would you go there? I don't understand. I don't know. Ron,

we'll never tell. We'll never tell. Do you want to say Roy, Ron? Can we? Yeah. Hey, it's to see our personal pal, Jeff Meldrum. Oh, yeah, dude. Dr. Meldrum, man.

Yeah. I love it. Oh, that's going to be awesome. We got to go meet with him and show him some stuff we found, so that'll be interesting. we kind of came up to an interesting conclusion about what we found there in the lab something that Ron and it was mainly I think Ron and Melgen that kind of came to that conclusion but we'll we'll see gonna have to wait and see all the all the stuff about

that for sure yeah so that the second night there in Idaho was pretty rough because we had to leave, what do we leave at, 515? Because it was a six-hour drive from Boise, Idaho to Pocatello where Melbourne was. Yeah. Yeah, that was crazy. It was, was it that far? Six hours?

I think so. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. We'll be right back after these messages. We had to wake up early because it was, we didn't get there to like one or two, right? Something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it was, yeah, it was six hours, six and a half, something like that.

Yeah, so we woke up early, we had everything packed up and this was crazy. The first spot we went to, when we got to our second spot, we got all set up, we were going to hang out, we were going to get ready to cook food. Jonathan was like, dude, I can't find my thermal. He looked through his car like six, seven, eight times. We went through bags and suitcases and nothing. so and also we were trying to set up the bug net too and we couldn't find the other pole that so jonathan left camp and drove about what's it 30 minutes one way 35 to the other spot and then drove back and he was like dude i found it he holds it up oh man and we were like well that's a relief so it ended up being a good

Good time. Nothing like that. Nothing major was lost except for our window in a car. There you go. There you go. Just my window and wrong entire vehicle. Nothing at all. Oh, man. Yeah, that's funny. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to throw in a question here from Alex. You had to jet out a while ago, but, uh, uh, His question back then was, which of the locations you guys visited this summer did you like the most? All right, quick quiz for the hiring managers out there. What's worse?

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will be developed. I see the eruption dolorous with ampollos during the end upro-simples, making that even the more simple are all a lot of not learn about the

Culebrilla to the way of difficult. Talked or Pharmaceutical, patrocinoed for GSC. This summer, hey, I feel like he wants me to say Alaska because Alaska was pretty awesome.

That's true. You were involved with STM for that, weren't you? Yeah. Oh, my goodness. Yeah, let's take a search for Sabbe then. For this, you know what? Bluff Creek continues to surprise me because it gets such a shifting cast of characters of people that, you know, I really feel fortunate to meet in the Bigfoot community.

You know, Bluff Creek is that magnetic pull to anybody that's serious about the subject and getting to meet such a great group of people there. but then the potential in that area is really good. And, you know, even those outlying places, like that spot that I did a solo investigation with Bandit just the night before really blew me away because it had some interesting things happen. With the both times I had visited there. So I think that's maybe, you know, maybe we're going to make more of an effort next year since we spent each night in the central Bluff Creek area. we might spend next year dedicating a couple of overnights to the outer Bluff Creek areas of that Klamath Range. Yeah, there's a few areas I want to go to.

I'd like to check out Ron's area. And then there's a spot that I've been to a couple of times. I want to go back to Twin Lakes, camp there a couple nights. That's another good spot that has good activity. And that's kind of on the outer edge of Bluff Creek. Ron, you can totally say Alaska. It's totally a similar thing. Well, if we're talking about the Sabe series, Bluff Creek's probably my go-to,

but that little area before was really, it really stood out and surprised me as an area that has no reports, but I had a personal thing happen, you know, four years ago and then as a follow-up investigation for just, you know, my piece of mind, I had something else happen. I'll probably, you know, I could just say it here. It's not too in depth or anything. No one watches this.

It's not going to be part of Kate's film. Yeah. But I had what I thought was a stump and it got up and moved. And then it got weirder on that trip four years ago because Bandit, you know, who's been here with me the whole time. Bandit was out. Hey, Bandit. Yeah, everybody.

He started growling at something along the trail the following day. and in the middle of the night, I thought I heard a couple of wood knocks. So this area had been kind of on my head, and I didn't even tell anybody really about it. And I was just kind of thinking about it over the course of the months that happened afterwards. And I was like, I may have had a sighting and just didn't really process it fully. And so I went back finally. I was like, I got to check this spot out. And so the stump that I thought I was looking at, there was no stump on that shelf below the trail.

And I tried to walk and I recreated this, you know, effect and did it on camera saying, okay, there's a root ball over here. And basically what happened was as I was walking, you know, a tree would get in the way. And it would break the line of sight. And I explained that, you know, what I was looking at changed in stature and then later it was gone. And I used that root ball as a comparison as I was walking. But then I said, well, I'm here. I might as well do an investigation of some kind. This was in the middle of the day.

This was like a 10, 30, 11 in the morning hike. And I went to do a wood knock. And as I lined up the knocker on the tree, before I could pull back and strike, I had it lined up. And then I heard a knock down there just below the shelf where I had seen the stump. And yeah, that was weird.

And I heard a couple of other knocks that day getting out of my vehicle and moving something out of the road or I think I was trying to spot an animal like a little thing that scurried along the road and I try to get out and film it. But when I got out of the car, I could knock up the ridge and it's just an interesting spot along a seldomly used recreational trail somewhere in the Klamath Mountains. It was about three and a half hours from Bluff Creek.

And yeah, I'm trying to. get Taiton and company to go there and investigate it with me next year. I definitely want to go there. And what's crazy is, I think, a couple days of the last day, we were going to be in Willow Creek. Ron was actually going into Bigfoot days and then from Bigfoot days to that spot. Well, I was going to go to a different spot, another spot. So, okay, you're going to head in that general area? Well, no.

See, the other thing. This is another spot not close to. the Bluff Creek epicenter that I was going to visit from 12 years ago back in 2010 my first trip out. And that was, I had heard Knox from three different locations at a trailhead. So there's a couple of like nature trails of just designated wilderness area. They're minimally maintained for backpackers convenience. And it's still in the middle of Bigfoot country. in Bigfoot territory.

The thing is, is you didn't have John Green and DeHendon go and get in newspapers from a cast that they made. There's not a big blowup from, you know, Jerry crew in 1958 or the Patterson Gill film. There's something

out there in some of these other areas, but you've never had the Bigfoot experts leave Bluff Creek, essentially. Wow. And so I think that's where we want to shift focus is go to some of these unmentionable spots, because they have just as much potential

of getting fresh evidence. You got to put them on the map. Yeah, it's in that greater area. So, I mean, it's, I consider the whole, I consider Bluff Creek as in this giant, almost oval shape, you know, area of wilderness that has activity.

And then to answer the question here, Bluff Creek, yeah. Bluff Creek is always my spot. I mean, even if I was to go to Alaska that year or whatever, even if it was part of the series, or regardless,

I think Bluff Creek is always my spot. Because it's, like I said before, it's unique. You can go to different areas and be away from other big footers going in there. And there's not a lot of people going in there. So it's, for how popular it is, there's not that many people, surprising. Gotcha. So, I mean, it's, in my opinion, yeah, Bluff Creek is really popular.

But it's my go-to. It's what got me into the whole subject. Of course, I know it's an extremely special place for, at tape, definitely from everything you told me. I have one more question I'm going to bring in from the chat. Before I do that, are there any final last words that you guys wanted to say about Idaho before we address this final question? You do what? Any final words about Idaho?

You do what? What? Oh, okay, whatever, dude. I have one little caveat I will throw in there. I think it's going to be fairly apparent that we were blown away by getting to meet Meldrum, hearing what he has to say, cross-referencing, his understanding with our discoveries. But even just the field, I'd been dying to get out to Idaho and do some overnight squatching. and I just want to say I was kind of blown away with just the

a couple of things involving the first night just Tate's intuition and saying, hey, we should check out this spot, which was really just like a roadside like a curve on the side of a mountain road where we set up our cars and tents and camped out and stuff. But we pulled a little bit of interesting audio from there. and won't go into detail, but and then from there we just found like fresh bear

tracks. I think there were deer. I can't remember do we have elk tracks or something out there. I think there was. It was just a random spot and the things that were happening were really interesting. So it was

cool to be there and just kind of spur of the moment last like just a decision, sudden decision, just seemingly impulsive and then all of a sudden like hey what's going on you know yeah it was that was really cool how that turned out and that just kind of it's just one of those things it's the ongoing mystery when you're big footing and you just kind of it's it's more of an awareness of what's around you but you'll be surprised where the evidence starts to show itself yes and it could be in the

most unexpected areas like yeah it had the area like we looked at i was just looking on them now. I was like, this area looks like could be good to the mountains. The reservoir is not too far.

There's creeks nearby. It's wilderness. So let's try it. And you would think, I mean, it's kind of dry like where I had my thermal video siding.

But if my thermal video siding says anything, it says that there's bigfoot's some weird areas that you wouldn't think they would be in. I mean, there you wouldn't think, but they're there. So.

That's right. Let's go to interesting last question from Gilbert. I really want to go squatching. Is there a database where I can see if there are any local clubs

in my area? I have a few ways to answer this, but I'm curious to see if you guys have some ideas as well. What's he mean by clubs? I think what he's asking

maybe is how do I find other people I can go squatching with? You've got to be careful in that one. That's the thing. right um i'm not saying everybody's like a lot of these people on these you know facebook groups they're kind of are trolls so um but like if you really want just reach out to one of us here

our bluff creek project or um we can point in the right direction for sure we probably between all of us collectively we know a ton of people throughout the U.S. we can recommend. But no, there's not really a database. No, there's not one idea I had was you can go to BFRO and they do have expeditions every year. You can sign up for. They do cost money, but you know you're going with people that know their stuff.

And you're going to walk away with a ton of knowledge and, in practical learning. So that's one thing to check out too. Yeah. Like I said, just reach out to one of us and point you in the right direction. I will say that there's, I think social media is a kind of a tool if you know how to use it. There's, if you Google in Facebook or something or Instagram or something, if you get in a search bar and you say, say, hey, my state, Bigfoot, there's going to be a group.

There's going to be a Bigfoot group or page for Tennessee Bigfoot, Kentucky Bigfoot, Iowa, Bigfoot. And so you can follow those, especially if they're a page that you just like, you know, then you don't have to get notified, you don't have to notify anybody that you're following it. But I would say follow them. and then if it's just like the material kind of seems off, you could always just break that tie if they're publishing weird posts or things. If you feel comfortable, you know, contact them,

ask for more information, but you can still end up in a situation where, oh, you know, these guys, you know, they're big on guns, but not gun safety. And I'm out here with a bunch of armed big footers that are pointing their barrels every time a stick break. breaks and half the time it's when another person takes a step. So I've been in situations where I felt kind of unsafe with armed individuals.

Then to contrast that, I've been in situations where armed individuals feel, you know, that I'm glad they're there. There's a place of security. So it's not like an anti-gun thing, but there's, you'll find yourself in a variety of different cultural environments when you're out there in the woods with other people. Sure. And you just want to make sure that you're not going to be in an unsafe or uncomfortable environment.

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are all a lot of a retort. No, learn about the culebrilla of the way difficult. Talked or Pharmaceutical, patrocinoed for GSC. Yeah, like at this point, me and Tate, you know, we've been around to enough

different states. We, if you had any interest, let's say you live in the Southeast, I know somebody, maybe not for every state, but somebody that has jurisdiction over part of it. So, like, I could say, well, I don't know, let's maybe contact Lyle Blackburn, who can point you in a direction of, you know, maybe he knows somebody in South Carolina that knows more or, you know, you just get in the circuit. You start asking questions and we'll find somebody that we can hook you up with. but Bigfoot clubs and groups are difficult.

If you really want to get in a group that you want to meet the people in person and kind of judge their character before you head out into the woods, I recommend a conference. The Bigfoot conferences, you know, you can kind of, when you sit down and you eat lunch with somebody at a VIP dinner and you get to speak with them for an hour or two hours, then a lot of times you can say, oh, that's not somebody I want to. to be in the woods with or hey i i trust this person you know like let's you know let's uh let's uh let's go out and and do a couple hours of squatching somewhere you know but um but yeah i i think for me that was

kind of the two different ways is i met a few people through social media and got a couple of leads from there but that's usually for my benefit as a solo investigator um the conferences is where and and in camps like where i met tate were the places where i started to you know film form those alliances to go out and do investigations as a group.

That's some really smart advice at the end of the day. Know the person that you're going out with if you can and always think safety for sure. Guys, we are about, I think

we're at the end, we're at about an hour and a half we're doing good, but I want to give you the chance so that if people, because this is going to be on the podcast, too, if people like listening to you, how can they keep up to date with what you're doing? If you want to plug anything, any final thoughts, this is the time to do it. Tate, go ahead. Okay.

Put it on you. Well, my YouTube channel, Tate, Heronimus, T-A-T-E-H-E-R-O-N-Y-M-U-S, just my name. So that's type that in and you'll find me. Uh, that's where my new series is going to be, uh, on. So go subscribe there. Also, Bluff Creek Project podcast is the other one I do. And my other podcasts, I'm just kind of doing whenever one strange podcast. Which is a fun, uh, interview, uh, podcast about other, maybe some other stuff, which is interesting.

Yeah. It's worth checking out, definitely. It's pretty fun. Ron, what's you got going on? What you got? Uh, uh, right now i just got the facebook page um trailing giants and that's that's going to be where i post a lot of my other content if i ever do any like uh writing or or photo post or something or you know that's

where i put a lot of my photos and and write-ups of investigations so if i spend the weekend somewhere in the north woods of wisconsin and take 30 photos of of a trip and and you know i'll do a text write up of what I kind of discovered along the way. That's where a lot of my stuff is. I do have a YouTube channel, but it's just Ron Reed, R-O-N-R-N-R-A-D. I don't really want to, I don't advertise it too much because I'm not active on it right now. I'm in the process for this final

quarter of the year of splitting my content into two separate channels. So I'm planning on having a channel specifically for long distance hiking and backpacking trips and just nature, you know, recreational nature type stuff. And then the Bigfoot and unexplained type stuff in a whole other channel. And I'm still working on the titles for that. Hopefully I get to keep trailing giants for the YouTube channel.

And that's kind of my idea is to split it. So any of that stuff will be kind of communicated on my profile and a non-referral. on the Facebook trailing giants page. So hopefully I'll have a little bit more solid information, but I'm kind of in the middle of a transitional period. I'm sitting on a bunch of content that I need to get out there. And I've got plans to start on that soon. That's awesome.

Even though he wasn't here, you definitely want to follow Western Bigfoot Exploration, our friend Jonathan Easley's channel. That really, if you look at all the content from all those different places, it really puts the whole story together. His stuff is amazing. Of course, I'm Jeremiah from Bigfoot Society. If you like interviews with people in the cryptozoology field all over the stuff, not just Bigfoot, but a lot of Bigfoot, definitely Bigfoot Societypodcast.com.

And if you want to get involved with a really cool community and see a lot of extra content about the Iowa episode, you can head over to Patreon.com forward slash the Bigfoot Society for $7 a month. But thank you so much, Tate and Ron, for coming on. It's been a fun chat as always. Yeah, thank you so much, guys. And listeners, thanks for watching live. And I appreciate you guys asking questions. And have a good night, everyone.

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