Bigfoot Society - A Southwest Oregon Man Shares His Terrifying Close-Range Sasquatch Encounter

Episode Date: March 6, 2026

In this episode, we delve into the extraordinary experiences of Mark from southwest Oregon, whose life was permanently changed by a late-night encounter on a snowy mountain road near Grants Pass. What first appeared to be a small tree standing along a ridge revealed itself to be something towering, powerful, and far too close for comfort. That moment in the late 1980s set the course for decades of reflection, research, and unexpected encounters across some of the most active wilderness corridors in the Pacific Northwest.Living near the Applegate and Rogue River regions, Mark shares how reports quietly surfaced over the years from hunters, firefighters, law enforcement, and everyday outdoorsmen who trusted him enough to speak. He recounts a recent investigation near Butte Falls involving thermal imaging, night vision, and his 165-pound wolf hybrid, where the forest seemed to move with intention and the night carried sounds that still defy explanation.From repeated 3AM vocalizations near Wolf Creek and Glendale, to unsettling activity in the Diamond Lake region and Highway 138 corridor, Mark paints a vivid picture of southern Oregon as a place where something continues to operate just beyond the edges of certainty. He also reflects on the stranger elements reported by credible witnesses—anomalous lights, missing time, and phenomena that challenge simple classifications.Mark’s grounded, thoughtful perspective brings weight to every detail. His story spans decades, terrain, and testimony, offering a rare look into ongoing activity in one of the most compelling regions for Sasquatch reports in the country.Join us as we explore Mark’s experiences and the enduring mystery unfolding in the forests of southwest Oregon.🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to [e-mail] – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn MoreLMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNTOrganic and non-GMO groceries delivered for lesshttp://thrv.me/uarEhS🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072

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You've got the privilege of talking to Mr. Mark Horband today from down there in Southwest Oregon. As we were just saying, it's a always, well, it's a privilege to be able to talk to someone from down there. We don't get a lot of individuals from that area on the show. But welcome to the show. Mark, how are you doing today, sir? Good, good. Thank you. Absolutely.

A little bit of info about yourself that I think the listener, will find interesting is you've actually been in this, I guess you can say in this field and in the Bigfoot topics since the 80s, correct? Yeah, and I'd say, you know, I've had that term Bigfoot researcher coined to me at one time, and I wouldn't really say that. I'd kind of say more of a Bigfoot enthusiast since back then. and it just kind of fell into, fell into this, actually, from, like I said, that first encounter and then telling people about it and had people approach me since then. And it's just one thing after another kind of.

I worked at a hospital for 37 years, and I've had doctors, you know, come up to me. I've had people sitting down at lunch at the hospital before. tell them, you know, my story and a couple people laugh. And then next thing, you know, I've got a doctor talking to me that, you know, went on a hike and had a experience. So it's just kind of been that over the years. And lately it's just been compounding. More and more people have approached me and more and more things have happened, you know.

So. And before we get into, that's interesting, because that is a thing that's been on my mine too, because it seems to be discussed a lot in the community. Do you think that it's just because people are getting more comfortable with sharing and it's becoming more acceptable? Or why do you think that could be? Kind of, you know, and I notice, I don't know if it's me, too, I'm approachable. And my wife said that before, you know, I'm kind of not a, I don't know, a no-nonsense-type thing. A lot of people don't want to, I notice that when they talk to me, a lot of people don't want that misnomer of being crazy, you know.

So there's a fine line there I'm finding out where people are telling me things that I've had some very rational people tell me some very crazy things. And then the exact opposite too. So I think it's the people that do know that they're not, they're very, very. rational or very, like I said, doctors and stuff like that, police that don't, I don't know if they don't want to be associated with that or not. But the more stuff that's been coming out, I think people are starting to feel a little more comfortable with that, knowing that, you know, no, you're not crazy. This is happening. And we need to try to figure out what it is and explain some of this stuff, you know. 100% yeah i totally agree with you on that mark let let's go ahead and would you would you be able to

take us back to uh that time back in the 80s when you had that experience and that kind of kicked all this off for you yeah yeah so back then you know uh it's out of high school and it was probably not quite this time of year, but just before the day, before winter. And me and a friend were trying to go up into the snow with his lifted 4x4, Toyota 4x4. And I used to do this all the time. We'd go get some beers, go up and, you know, late at night, whatever. And we'd go try to hit the snow. and this time had him and a girl with us and we had drove,

this was actually out of Southern Oregon here, way up on an old skid road, got to the end, we got up into the snow, got to the landing on the skid row where you'd always find these all over down here in Southern Oregon. Anyways, a little landing and turn around. basically so I'd say it wasn't more than you know 30 foot round maybe if that so they got the the hill going up this way and the road or the the hill going down this way

the road coming back this way so it went up and we turned around parked it in the snow and it's probably about six seven foot from the embankment on this side which actually it'd be on this side now going down the road so we parked there had the Toyota Park like this. My friend and this girl, they were rolling around in the snow on the other side, on the passenger side of the truck, and I was sitting on the driver's side drinking a beer, you know.

And yeah, I would drink in a beer, but was not drunk. And anyways, so I'm sitting there just kicking back, looking straight up the hill. And I would say maybe 50 yards up the hill was the top of the, the ridge and the moon wasn't directly behind it but it was back enough to where that was lit up so you can see the trees and just dark and then you just see the light through the trees if that makes sense so I'm sitting there and it's very very quiet very quiet night no wind and I'm watching this tree I just had noticed this movement and it was going like this

and it looked just like a little Christmas tree basically, just literally almost, I actually did think it was just a tree moving. And I'd say it was maybe four or five foot tall. And so I sat there and I'm looking at this thing for quite a while. And it's going just like this. And then it would go and then it would move, you know. And back then I wasn't afraid of nothing and it was.

pretty, I didn't care, you know. And I called my buddy over and I said, hey, you know, take a, look at that thing. There's something up there moving this thing. And he looks at it, it goes, yeah, you know. And I go, I'm going to go find out what it is. So I proceeded to step toward the edge of the bankment there. And there was a ditch there too, kind of. So I had to go through that.

but I didn't even get to that. I probably took maybe two steps, and this thing stood up. It stood up and it walked off to the left. And for an instant there, I was like, who was up here? Yeah, that was my first thought was, who in the heck is up here? You know, and then I'm like for about a millisecond, you know, and right then this saying had proceeded to start just breaking branches and making this bellowing sound, this just warbling, just ller-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-l-la-l-l-l. And at the same time, it was coming down and branches were being thrown pieces of stuff.

And I don't know how long, you know, everybody asked me, well, how long did you stay there? I don't, I don't remember, you know, I remember enough to know that this thing was barreling down like, almost like a bearer does through trees, which I've seen tons of that before. But I immediately turned my, my buddy and his girl, they were already in the truck, in the passenger side and hunkered down in there. I jumped into the driver's side, and this was a lifted four by four. So I had to climb up in it. Back then in the 80s, you know, everybody had one that was, you know, 10 foot in the air. Did it have the KC lights on top? Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Back to the future. Oh, yes, yes. But even bigger than that, you know. Okay. So I can't even remember what size tires that thing out on it. But anyways, I get in that thing. And I slammed that door, start that.

And I mean, when I was coming in, it felt like this was right on me. And I, it really was because when I started that, my eyes went like this to the window. And I could see this section. You know, I'm trying to, you can't really see me. But I'm seeing maybe this section of it filled the entire window. you couldn't really see much. It was a darkish gray maybe. Couldn't tell because it was so dark.

The only thing that's lighting it up is my dash, the dash lights from me starting that thing, putting it in gear. And I took off, and the funny part is I vividly remember this part. Like, I don't know if you, when you're a kid, you're watching horror movies and you're watching a movie like this,

you know, where you don't want to see it. And that's kind of how I'm looking at a peripheral. And I did not want to do this for some reason. And I didn't. And I hit that, took off in that car or in that truck. And I remember, I don't, this is the part I don't, there's a lot of it I don't, trying to piece together because it was sheer panic.

I mean, yeah. Uh, anyways, it, uh, sorry, well, I went in that ditch and I don't know if that thing hit the back of the truck or whatever, but spun me sideways. And I kept that throttle on, came back out onto the snow road. And I'm kind of lucky we didn't crash because, you know, it was a mountain road and full of snow. And I'm pegged, you know, I'm just. dumb, I'm just pegged to get out of there. So after that, didn't, I'm trying to think how many years before I went back in the woods, you know, it was, it was pretty, pretty intense, you know.

And then I started thinking since then, I've been in the woods riding motorcycles and had weird stuff happen, always thought something else. And now I'm, now my, now I've second guessed a lot of the other stuff that's happened to me before that point, you know. Wow. And so I kind of started studying there or, you know, looking up these things on it. And years later, I came across the Sierra sounds. And they had almost that exact sound. And other than it didn't shake my chest like the real thing.

it literally reverberated in you like these kids with the stereos, you know, just basing it. It is just crazy. But yeah. And like I said, I don't know. Don't, you know, everybody asked me, well, what do you think it was doing? It's like, I don't know. No, it didn't care. What I thought it was doing was trying to kill me.

So, you know, it was not a, it was very harrowing. Yeah, I got a few questions for you. That's such a wild first encounter. So when you saw it stand up, how tall would you estimate that it was? Well, I was estimating maybe four to five foot, and it was double that when it stood. And it stood up. It was double probably, you know, so, you know, nine foot maybe. and I tried to kind of guess that on the Toyota, how high that was up and where the chest or

where the area that I kind of thought that I seen of it. And of course, there's a ditch there too. So if it came that, it was, I mean, we're talking right here. You know, I could have just, if I had the window down, luckily it wasn't, I could have just touched it. And it had to be at least, you know, eight, nine, nine foot probably, I'm guessing. Oh, yeah. Because what it, it was over, definitely over the top of the, the Toyota truck, which was elevated from this ditch, and it's lifted too. So other than that, that part, it was it's hard to tell, but from the first initial deal when it stood up and walked over, like I said,

I was guessing that might have been about a four to five foot tall looking tree. And I really did think it was a tree at first. So that's the weird part. Right. And that's something you hear, or at least I hear every once in a while where it looked like a tree or it merged into a tree or or there's something. It looked like a stump. When it was breaking branches,

were you able to see it actually breaking the branches, or you just started to hear that? Just heard it. Didn't see it at all other than maybe some movement. You know, it was hard because it's pitch black. We were silhouetted from behind. So once it stepped out of that lighted area, I guess, you know, where it was backlit into the folio,

I couldn't see, but I could hear and, you know, kind of see stuff hitting coming down. So apparently it was throwing stuff too, you know, which was landing next to the side. And I don't know how much stuff. I don't know if it was even just one. To me, it was, everything was coming at me, you know. It was, like I said, it was not a, it. It was not an experience that I could sit there and, oh, yeah, it did this. And it just exactly, oh, no, I was, I'm out of here.

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Talk to your doctor or pharmacist today, sponsored by GSK. No, I, it was absolutely terrifying. if and buts about it. You know, yeah, I still just, to the day, it just is not. It's still kind of, I get worried, yeah, to this day. And which we could get into the next encounter, which was just this last year, wasn't quite as harrowing in this, but it was enough to, to put me back in that same spot, you know.

Absolutely. When you saw it through the window, how close would you estimate that it was to the vehicle? Right there. Oh, man. So feet away. Not even feet away. Probably maybe a foot from the, it seemed like, you know, maybe a foot from the window, if that, it was right smack there. and I may have actually even turned into it inadvertently just because I'm on the edge of that ditch almost.

Well, no, we were about six feet away, so I had to drive. I think I kind of just drove halfway into that thing. And that's when I did also go a little bit sideways. And I think maybe that might have been, that's the part where I'm a little bit confused is I can't tell if It hit the back and made me go into that ditch because we were a little ways away from it. But I just remember going into that thing. And then luckily it wasn't as deep as over here when I did. And I was able to just, it just rode right back out and kept going.

The other individuals that were with you, did they notice any other details or parts of the encounter? that you missed because you were trying to drive? No, no. They were down in the thing. And the one friend, I never did meet the girl since then. Don't even remember who can't even remember her name because it was associated with him, my friend. And he never wanted to talk about her anything ever, ever again.

Okay. Never did. Never. And that whole time he, They weren't even upright. They were down, just basically, you know, head down everything in the passenger side. Last question about this. Have you ever gone back to this area as a enthusiast into Bigfoot since that time?

No. No, actually, I have not. I have heard of other stories from the same area. though. And actually, most notably, one of them was a county commissioner in this area. And he, he had, I actually spoke with him. I heard from other people. They said, oh, you need to talk to this guy. You need to talk to him because he had this same thing. And over the years I've heard that. And I actually finally talked with this guy. And his was pretty harrowing too. He won't go in that same area ever again. Now, as far as where it's at, it's very, very close to town where I live here. But, yeah, I just haven't been up, I don't know. You know, I would go back up there.

Not by myself. There's a lot of places I won't go by my. Actually, most of them I am not going to go by myself. It took me a long time just to even ride my motorcycle around in some of these places, you know. And so I did a lot of that dirt bike riding and everything. That was just in my family. But, yeah, this place I just haven't been. And I don't know if it's the, you know, now I could probably do it now.

It's not like I think I could get over that. But I just, just logistics or something just haven't been out in that area. Yeah, it's that whole area of Oregon, you hear a lot of really intense stuff out of there. And, you know, so it's even if it's on, I mean, no matter what side, I mean, over an Applegate, that area, I've heard stuff that's crazy down there. And then if you go, that's where you're at, right? Yes, exactly what I'm at. Yeah, exactly. And then on the other side, though, you've got like you're going to Rogue River stuff,

and there's wild stuff that happens in there too. There's weird, weird stuff that happens in there. That's kind of the area where I was. It's, there's Grants Pass, there's Rogue River, there's Weimer area, and it's out past up in that area where this happened. And where I'm at, I'm actually right next to the Applegate River. out here and I can ride my, my backyard, I can drive straight up over the ridge and hit the Oregon Caves where Matthew Johnson had his thing.

And that's funny because somebody asked me, well, do you do any research behind your house? And I'm like, no, I don't want, I almost don't want to. I do because it would be convenient, but I almost don't want to know if there's something right in my backyard. I, you know, it's kind of some of the, getting into this, it's, it's, it's, it's interesting, but it's unnerving at the same time. And it's, it's kind of good to step away from something like that, just, you know, and I, and I, and who knows, the more, the more I do or something, it's, it, it seems like I'm stepping back

into a little more with people approaching me and everything. And it's, yeah, it's still, like I said, that that first thing was, I'm not one of those. I let a lot of people say, well, you know, they're very, they're, oh, they're mellow, they're not going to kill you or whatever. Try to tell that to somebody that just had something like what happened to me to them, that it's uh yeah extremely hero extremely harrow oh absolutely oh my goodness

um yeah so then after that it's out so you did not go out in the woods for a while but then there's a point where you start to get more into it

you become an enthusiast and you have something even happened recently as well you're saying last year Yeah, yeah, just this summer of this 2025. So what happened is, well, probably after that first incident, you know, no, nothing, nothing, nothing. And then I started trying to understand, you know, what I just, just happened and seen. And so I started, you know, looking into it.

And then I started believing some of the stories, too, that I've had heard around this area for since I was a kid. That's the funny part, too, is I remember hearing a lot of them and thinking, that's crazy. Well, so I, as a result, started studying that, started getting more interested in it. And then I kind of slowly came out enough to tell people, you know, what happened to me. and then people started approaching me more and more. I had hunters and I had people that I know. And then I even got into the point of where, you know, people tell me, well, you're crazy.

And I'm like, no, this is what happened. So I'm trying to kind of condense this or not. But I, years ago, it's actually, he's nine years old now. I got, my daughter came home with a wolf hybrid. and a high percentage wolf hybrid. He's 165 plus now, pounds. So I'm sitting here at home and I have a friend of mine that's a hunter that was into Bigfoot. And he came by and said, hey, this guy Greg Roberts is having a podcast or on Facebook.

He's having a town hall. That's what he told me. And before that, I actually had went to a Bigfoot. town hall in Cave Junction to just kind of see it. The same person got me to go to this, you know. So went to that and Greg Roberts was there too. I didn't meet him. I probably met him, but I didn't really know him, you know, then.

And that was with Scott Violet too from America. To watch America. But anyways, so, uh, uh, uh, Greg Roberts had this Facebook Town Hall. Sorry. And so I get on there.

And my friend asked me, can you get it on your big screen TV? And I got a big 75-inch TV. So he's like, I go, sure, you know, so I screencasted it for my phone. And we're watching it. And he mentions that at the sportsman show, which is in Medford, outdoor sportsman show that he's going to do a wolf talk on wolves. So now I'm interested. I'm like, oh, wow, cool.

I'd like to go to that. So I actually commented on there. I said, hey, if you need a wolf to show people the size, I said, I've got one. That's all I did. I commented that. Well, he got back to me and said, hey, bring him. Well, he thought that I was going to just bring a little husky, you know. So I brought AAPA, which is, gal, I could probably see if I could bring up a picture.

He's actually sitting over there laying down behind here. but he uh so i brought him there at the same time there's uh there was these wolves of yellowstone which were the wolves that are used in um hey on here i'm going to look for a pitcher here so we can get something going but oh that's an AI one hang on uh oh anyways well there's i made a meme with him Let's see if he could see that. Oh, nice. Okay. So that's kind of, you know, that's what he looks like.

But imagine he's big. He's big as great Dane. So anyways, I brought him there. They had these wulsie yellowstone there, didn't know it. And anyways, met with Greg. Greg was ecstatic and stuff. Well, that passed. And later on, he got a hold of me.

He had started communicating with me on Bigfoot. you noticed that I had commented on a lot of stuff on Bigfoot's and his page and stuff. And so he approached me with this idea that he said, out in Butte Falls area of Oregon, which is not too far from here, he says that he has a place where it was very hot spot for Bigfoot activity, kind of nose of a family group is what he says up. there. And he says, hey, I'd like to take your wolf hybrid out there and see just kind of reactions because he says, he goes, there's, there's wolf pack that's known in that area. And that's another thing. He does, I think he does some tracking for ODFW for wolves. So he's very knowledgeable on the wolf packs that are in Oregon in the Pacific Northwest. And anyways, so I'm thinking he

goes, or first he's saying, would you like to take the dog up? We'll go up at, you know, 10 at night and stay till 4 in the morning. And I just want to see how he reacts to if we get any kind of encounters, you know, of either bigfoot or wolves, you know. So I said, sure. And I'm thinking, at the time, I really didn't think any kind of bigfoot thing. I really thought wolves, I'm thinking, this would be kind of cool that maybe the wolves will start howling and my dog will start howling and maybe they'll come in and we'll get some of this, you know, it'll just be just be cool, you know. So I really didn't even have, I, you know, I'll admit, I didn't even have any inkling of the Bigfoot thing at all kind of going up there. And so we had a thermal imager, I borrowed one. and Greg had a night vision goggles or something.

I can't remember exactly what they were. But I had a monocular axiom thermal imager brought with us up there. And kind of the same thing. It was out. It was a very remote area. We took us a long time to get there. Greg was driving in front of us. I'm driving in my van.

Got my brother with me and the dog. And we had their windows rolled. down. And when we started getting up into this area just before we got there, I didn't know we were there or getting close to the area yet. My dog started going back and forth through the windows, just like he's smelling something. And he does that. When he gets on a scent, he'll do some strange stuff. Wellness looks different at every state. The right support makes all the difference. Power performance with vital proteins advanced collagen peptides plus creatine, designed to help build and maintain muscle mass in combination with resistance exercise.

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kind of hits the skids in front of us, and he stops for a while, and I'm like, what is he doing?

Nothing, you know, my dog's just really now just alert. He's just like this. So, all of a sudden

Greg takes off and he's, driving and about maybe two corners later, I think I see something on the side of the road. And I think I see it move and I'm okay, is that, and my headlights are shining it and just kind of turns. So, and I'm turning this way away from it. So I didn't get a good look at what it was and I just discounted it. So we get up to a first stop where, which was right after that. And Greg gets out and he's like, did you see that? I seen eyes shine. That's where, I stopped.

And I'm like, no, I didn't see that. I go, but I did think, thought I saw a shadow on the next corner past where you stopped. And he goes, well, that's interested. He goes, I probably got big foot on the brain. And I'm thinking the same thing. You know, he's got big foot on the brain, you know. So we kept going. And it was probably another mile or two up to the spot that he had stopped.

And it was almost the same thing like I described earlier. just the end of the road type of landing, very, very short landing. So we turn around, had my van parked right up right up next to the bank, headed downhill. His car was parked kind of a little bit behind me, and we set up chairs, and I put my dog, actually brought his bed and set it right in the middle of us down on the ground. And at first it was nothing, you know. my brother took the took up a down the road he i'm looking through the thermal thermal uh vision and watching him and uh he uh he's going down the road and he's peeing and looking for spots to pee

mark in his territory you know doing stuff like that and uh he comes back and everything's fine and then chris takes him down the road again and it's kind of funny because i don't i don't even know how my brother, I asked him later, how did you even see? He goes, well, I didn't. He goes, I just was letting the dog take me. So, uh, anyways, uh, it was pitch black. It was dead silent to pitch black, no win. And, uh, we're not hearing nothing, but, uh, I'm watching Chris down the road, probably 20 yards, you know, down the road. And I see Opa kind of start to lift his head up. and he starts looking just like a pointer, you know, down the road. And now he's just fixated.

And I'm going to, what is he looking at? I'm looking at it. So I start looking down the road. And this, that axiom, it's kind of hard because it burns your retina out, you know, looking at it. And so I'm trying to do this. And then I put it back on and look. And pretty soon I just kept it on. And I'm watching him.

and then he starts just turning like this down to the ridge down to the side of us. And there's a ridge going up this way, the ridge down this way, if I'm looking down the road. And OPA is doing this. He's going just like this. And then about partway he whips it and turns and looks up the hill above us. And then he whips back and then he starts back, literally backing up. and my brother at the time says he could hear on the the going below us he could hear what he thought was almost footsteps crunches every once in a while so he uh opanow is backing up literally backing up on down the road so my brother kind of i think he could feel this because i'm watching him through the night vision and he or the thermal and he starts come he comes back and then opan now says he's sits down and actually he's looking down the ridge where we're hearing a sound and we're still

hearing this sound. And then he stands up and actually Greg's got a good picture of him standing and he took a picture of Appa and me and we're both just looking down because we could hear something. So I'm scanning with this thermal imager. Greg's looking down there. He can hear it. can hear it and I see I'm just it's just it figures too that I'm scanning like this you know I'm looking this way I start going like this and literally right as I just about get out of the

the this point of the tree I see this thing go like this just a big white hot signature come out of the tree and and go back as soon I mean I didn't even get to whip back before that thing is already back in there. Greg says at the same time, he goes, I just seen, he goes, I seen eyes shine. I seen a figure right behind a tree with, he has night vision.

So I'm like, and I tell him, I go, that's weird. I go, I just seen that too. So they're, they're right there. So we're focused down there.

Well, Opah's here. And he's, he's turned, keeps turning back up the hill. And I, uh, turn this thing down.

He, I kind of at that moment was like, well, why is he keep looking up here? You know, I don't hear anything up here. So I take that thermal imager and I walk around to what I think is the front of my van and I look up there. And I see, this is the weird part, is I see this kind of, I couldn't even describe amorphous blob is what I kind of. say and I can't and I thought about this afterwards I don't know if it was a heat signature coming from behind a lot of foliage but it wasn't like there was these white hot specs didn't look like a normal something going behind foliage it looked more like a uh yeah and I and I say this and I hate to say

it but it like almost like the predator type thing you know what I mean just but in a heat signature type of way. So I've got this grayish shimmer that's not fully white hot. It's more of a grayish different color that's moving. Can't really tell what it is. And at first I thought my van has an antenna and it has a little ball on the top. And I'm thinking, I'm looking at the ball. And so I stick my hand and no, my antenna's way back here. So it's not that I'm looking at. There's something on the ridge above us and it's it's going by it so then i'm like okay i get my phone out because you can't hit record on this stupid axiom you got to go on your phone so you have to light up your phone which lights up everything yeah it drives me crazy i i there probably is a way but i didn't

know how to do it so uh and i do have some recordings of the dog that night um but uh so i try to i get that record recording started and of course it's gone. So didn't, I'm like, okay, I'm going to sit back down here with the dog and we're going to just kind of focus down here and I'll look up there once in a while to try to see what's going on. And APA just started getting more and more and more anxious and nervous and which was making me nervous. It was almost the exact opposite. I was just telling somebody about this the other day is you know how your your dog is in tune with you you know if you're angry your dog gets angry or whatever this was the exact opposite my i was not i we would have been oblivious that there was

anything there until other than him and the more anxious he got the more anxious i was getting and pretty soon he's backing up under the chairs with me so i'm thinking okay something's really close here and he's just acting strange you know and great seen it too and and Greg so Greg kind of says well you know and I or I told him I go Greg I go I kind of want to put him in the van because he's acting very you know and you know he's got a lot of anxiety going on here yeah and something's making him nervous as heck here this is making them nervous you know and and I got that feeling too that we were being surrounded and didn't like it at all because it was starting to bring me back to the whole thing back then.

And about that time, Greg says, well, we can, you know, I've seen enough. We can pack it up kind of. Well, I had opened the van, or just before that I started to go to proceed to open the van and the wind had kicked up. Just, and there was no wind this whole night. The wind had kicked up. And the instant that wind kicked up, my dog just flipped out. He just want, I mean, almost tried to bust through the door of the van. I opened it up.

He dives in and he goes like this on the side of the van that's facing the hill. Like he's trying to look through the windows and then he dives down underneath the passenger seat and just he, he's, his eyes are this big around. My brother turned on his flashlight on his phone and my dog's eyes. He's laying flat as he can get on the floor and pushed in as far as he can into the passenger side. And his eyes are this big around, you know. So I'm like, okay, this is, this is crazy. So I grabbed the flashlight. Greg and them now, Greg's over now with Chris too with them in my van.

We're all right there. And so I grabbed my, I had a spotlight flashlight there, grabbed it, went around the back of my van. of my van to the side of the hill and I flashed that there and that's when I realized how dense it was too super super dense. I didn't realize that it was that dense of woods there, you know, because we got there at night. And at that instant too, the bushes just exploded of this thing moving through it going up. It did not get a good look. I couldn't tell you if it was a bear or not,

but I could tell you I don't think that it was a bear because there was multiple, these things were surrounding us. And like I said, I don't think a bear is going to sit there and coordinate efforts, you know, to try to surround us. It was a very, very weird feeling like at that moment, too, I realized we were being flanked, basically. This one, I had a lot of time to think about it. I was thinking, the only thing I think of is this one was kind of maybe purposely making noise.

So this one could come up around and get real close to it. And it was really close because when I shine that light and I shined it, and I wish if I would have shined it up a little higher, I probably would have caught it because I had shined it. thinking that I'm looking through the woods and and it was just on the edge of my eyes of the shine and then you know as soon as I seen it moved I went like this but the woods were just being basically exploded now through at that time but yeah it was another another scary thing you know but we would have been oblivious I would have been probably oblivious had not the dog kind of

started doing what he was doing at the beginning. We talked with Greg after that, and he was kind of the same thing. You know, he had seen, you know, we had focused down there because we had heard just crunching steps, but I don't know if we heard those crunching steps. We didn't hear anything until APA started really focusing, and then we started focusing, and then that's when we started hearing, kind of started hearing. kind of started here to some stuff, if that makes sense. Wow, that is wild.

Did you say that was in Butte Falls? Just kind of out of that area. Out of that area. So between there, I would say if you took, you know, I don't want to tell where Greg's site is or anything like that because I don't know how he, but, you know, if you took a, or not a crater lake, Butte Falls. and then took over to like Diamond Lake, you know, you could, in that area. Which is, oh my goodness, is such an area.

I've never been there. But like the hunters I've talked to about prospect, crazy stuff. And then Diamond Lake, some really wild stuff. And there's been multiple guys that have said once you get, what were they saying? Once you get west of 2.30, just look out. because it gets really crazy west of 2.30 that highway or that road or whatever. Oh, yeah. I've met another gentleman since then, real nice guy that has showed me pictures of footsteps and tree breaks.

And actual, he actually had figures on a rock that were there, gone. And you could tell that they're, you know, they're very big. And he's like, oh, I'll take you right to that spot if you want to measure it. And I'm like, and I asked him, I said, how come you don't get this? You need to. This is really good stuff, you know. And he goes, I don't want to, I don't want any of that kind of limelight, you know. And which is.

Sorry, so you're saying like petroglyphs, right? No, no, no, no. Oh, okay. These were a rock outcropping, kind of a rock mountain. And there's two figures on there that. definitely had long arms, just, you look at it and you're going, okay, that's, uh, it looks like two bigfoot, you know, on there. Really? Yeah. Oh my goodness. And he's just like, and then I asked him too, he's going through it and I go and I was basically, uh, he basically

handed me his phone too and I'm kind of quizzed him on it. I said, well, did you get a picture of it without him? And he goes, you know, that's funny. He goes, uh, and he was friends with the Scott Violet. He goes, he said, no, or no, he did. He told his buddy right after that, and his buddy told him, you need to go back and get a picture of that without them. So he did. Wellness looks different at every state.

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By the time I hit my 50s, I'd learned a few things, like how family is precious. Work can always wait. And 99% of people over 50 already have the virus that causes shingles. Not everyone at risk will develop it, but I did. The painful, blistering rash disrupted my life for work. weeks. Don't learn about your shingles risk the hard way. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist today. Sponsored by GSK. So I'm like, okay, that's good. And literally, you know, I'm looking at the timestamp on his phone and the pictures. And I'm like, okay, he didn't, these aren't manipulated. And he's not the type

of guy that would, you know, and you could kind of tell too if somebody's, I've done a lot of computer work. And if somebody's manipulated time stamps on a phone or something, it's just pretty obvious. But no, he's got a progression of pictures. He's got footprints going around a lake. And I, another thing, the guy that loaned me the thermal imaging since then, or actually, I can't remember, you know, it was about the same time. He had put a recording out in this other area out of Douglas County, Glendale, and it's toward the coast, it's out in the middle of nowhere, 29 miles from any town. I drove out there with him. We got pictures of tree breaks, footprints, and I actually got an audio. I could let you hear

this. This was at 3 a.m. I'm going to play it through here because, let's see here. Okay, where's my speaker on this thing. So that's a stream that's nearby. So we're working on getting a better. And I'll do it again here. I don't know. Could you hear that pretty good? Mark, that's really good.

That's extremely good audio. Well, and the funny thing is that was with a crappy recorder. We have since bought a good one. I'm still going through stuff. This is just one that's on my phone. I have knocks, grunts, some crazy stuff that I can't figure out. I'm still going through. It's super, super hard.

That's a hard part. But on just this, since then, we've got a better, this wildlife acoustics recorder that we're going to set out. And the funny part is I had just went to a memorial for Scott Violet in Cave Junction. and a lady from, oh, shoot, where is that? Gosh, darn it. Now, you know what, I got to look this up real quick. She's out of Oregon, north, out of north of here. And it's not Lebanon.

Gosh, darn it. What is the name of that? Oakridge. I think it's Oakridge? Yeah. Well, anyways. Oh, is it Priscilla? Yes, Priscilla.

That's her. Yeah, I'm great friends with Priscilla. Yeah. Okay. Well, Priscilla has a recording. Not quite as good as that? Exactly the same. I mean exactly the same.

And that's out of Oak Ridge. And so I actually just contacted her because I'd love to run hers through. I actually ran this through AI through chat, GPT, GROC, you know, and said, hey, you know, what this was at 3 a.m. This area. You know, what is it? And it says it doesn't match any. known North American animals. So I said, okay, well, run this thing through the gambit of everything in the world

and tell me what's the closest match. And it said howler monkeys of South America. That's cool. Yeah. And it actually went into even more depth and said that the tonal resident of this and that is more indicative to a larger mammal than a howler monkey. And I thought, well, that's kind of weird. I was amazed that it could do that by listening to a recording.

And I was also amazed that it's like, oh, wow, you know. So just real quick, it would be interesting if you put it into audacity and then looked at the spectrogram. That's right. And then you did that. That's exactly what I've been doing to try to find the pieces. And some of it aren't showing up very well at all. Like I actually ran past this because it did not show up until in audacity until I just blew it up so much. And I'm like, well, this is really weird.

And a lot of those were like that. But yeah, it's, but since then I'm getting a little better. I think it was the recording too because it had that just from the stream. Sure. And so, but this area, this area, every single time at this certain time of year, between, it's June, July through, you know, August is just, it's just before hunting season, just before elk season, every single time this person's been up there and heard stuff. In fact, my own daughter was her ex-boyfriend now, was friends with this group.

And she went up there a few years ago with them. And she always gives me crap. She's, dad, there's no such thing as Bigfoot. You know, well, she did until that day because she got woken up at 3 a.m. And said she heard two, all the girls actually woke up. The guys were probably passed out drunk, you know. But the girls woke up and they heard these. She said she heard two of them, howling, you know,

and it was more of a kind of a whoop type sound because I played a couple things for her. And she said, no, that's kind of what it sounded like. And yeah, every single time they've been up there, they've gotten some. So is this the Glendale by Wolf Creek? Yes. Yes. Oh my goodness. Wolf Creek, holy macro.

I would not go out in the woods by myself there. The stories I've gotten outside of Bigfoot, there's some weird stuff going on out there. And like you would not mess around in those woods or you might not come out. No, you know, that. Yeah. I actually stayed in that Wolf Creek Tavern hotel. Oh, the haunted. And we didn't know it.

We stayed in the most haunted room there. because we went up there for New Year's, and our friends of ours wanted to go there. And I stayed in that room and slept like a baby. Didn't know it. I didn't know it at the time that it was supposedly the most haunted room. I didn't know that they were supposed to be haunted up there. But, yeah.

But I, you know, I've got some stories on that type of situation. I actually have a story that, it hits both of those things from a guy, too, that, you know, I don't know how much time we've got. Oh, no, we still got time for sure. So you're saying, like, ghosts and Bigfoot? Yeah, kind of a mix. Oh, really? Yeah, one guy told me a story.

Well, I'll just go ahead and tell it. We can go back to the other things, too. and this guy, this is a law enforcement guy, okay? So, and I don't want to say too much because I don't want to, I definitely know he doesn't not, does not want anybody to know exactly who and where and what this is. But it was an old house that he had bought. And this house had a little bit of property, very, very close in town, if not, you know, in town type of thing.

but the property had been there since, shoot, this house had knob and tube wiring, and there was structure of an old house from like the 1800s or early 1900s, I think, still there, a chimney in the backyard. There was old fruit trees in the backyard that have been there for, you know, 100 years or more. Well, he had been remodeling this house and had just weird. stuff happening in this house. And his dog wouldn't go upstairs.

That's the first thing. And he had a couple guys doing some work on it, doing like the HVAC work, putting a new unit in and everything. And they stopped about three quarters through it. And they said, we're not, you know, we're not doing this. This house is haunted, you know. And he's like, you know, yeah, he kind of, he had come to that conclusion because of stuff that happened to him.

He had been working on a counter in a kitchen one time, and he got done with the whole kitchen, and he's standing back and he's looking at it, you know, and then literally he hears right beside him, somebody go, good job, you know. And so he's like, okay, there really is ghosts, you know, and he's a very rational person. So this is not somebody that just tells you some BS. So, well, anyways, he's got a hot tub in the backyard. and this happened to him several times, I guess. He was in this hot tub and he hears this grunting over by the fruit trees.

And he's like, what the heck is? And he stands up at the hot tub and sees this figure run across, just making a god-awful sound and take off up through the irrigation ditch and up into the upper part of the mountain, you know. And there's houses all around in this area. And he said that this happened more than once. And I was telling him, I go, you know, I go, this is really strange because he's, I go, what you're describing to me sounds more bigfoot than ghost.

I go, but what's happening in your house is ghost and definitely not bigfoot. So I don't know what is going on. with that whole, that whole situation. You know, the whole fruit trees there, maybe established for 100 years. It sounds perfect for a Bigfoot that says, okay, I've known this area or, you know, my whole family or whatever's known this area

and just known to come back here to get fruit out of the trees. And it sounded like it was near the trees, whatever this was. He said, he's seen this black figure literally look like it ran. And then he actually said, said at one point it was on all fours it either dropped to all fours and took off running and just made some weird drunting noises yeah he's never heard before but yeah and this is some wild wild stuff yeah just just strange you know and and there's tons of other stories from people around

this area just uh but that one just kind of struck me as a very very very odd when we were talking there about ghost and and bigfoot and that's the first story i've heard of kind of a merge of both and you know other than you know you hear these stories of in in graveyards which people think they're ghost and they're probably uh bigfoot but uh yeah this one definitely i like i said don't know associated with the house don't and and they area that it's at, you'd look at it and just go, there's no way. You know, other than there is a, there is a hill there. And if you get to the top of that hill and you follow it down and cut through backs of

houses and stuff, you could get out to where it's just open ground. So it's feasible, but it's very, very, very, very, it's not rural. I mean, it's almost in town. used to be rural. It was probably the end of town back in the day. I want to make sure that you're able to share the experiences that you were whined to, just because I know we got into a little Q&A rabbit trail there, but I want to make sure you were able to share.

Okay, very good. I do have some more questions for you. Yeah, yeah. Because you are based out of the area you're at. So there is a for context. So we brought up Matthew Johnson earlier. And there is that story, the account with him and Adam Davies. Have you heard that in the portal?

Have you ever heard that? No, no. And I knew. Very interesting. Yeah. You know, that's funny as I got a story. another one that's kind of similar to that. But I'll have to ask the guy to talk about it.

But it's kind of a weird portal thing where basically he was near something where he didn't have cell phone. I'll kind of loosely tell it because I don't want to, I'll have to ask him before I could do it. But basically he was in a, he's a very rational guy too. and he had a situation where he was in the middle of nowhere with no cell phone reception whatsoever and came across something like that and all of a sudden his phone blew up with phone messages. He all of a sudden had phone reception. And then, you know, of course he gets away from this and, you know, it's got pictures and, of course, doesn't have cell reception until he gets back to his thing.

And I thought that was interesting. And I told him, and unfortunately, it's been a while since this happened. And I told him, I said, if this ever happens again, you need to somehow get a hold of your cell phone records and see maybe your phone pinged a tower in Chicago or something. And, you know, everybody with this portal thing is, you know, it's just speculation, you know, until if you have some kind of solid evidence like that, now that's kind of a big deal. You know, that could actually put something like that out there, you know. Until then, it's so, like I always tell people, because they ask me, well, do you believe in portals? and all of that. And I tell him, I go, well, I go, I don't have an interdimensional portal meter that I can look for them.

So I'm not going to, I can't go down. You kind of almost, you take it with a grain, not a grain of salt, but when you hear stories like from this guy and this very credible person, you're saying, okay, there is something there. but until I have some kind of tangible way of checking that, it's nothing. Whereas this cell phone thing was, you know, I'm thinking about, I'm going, hey, there is a tangible way of checking to see if there really was some anomaly. And that would have been, absolutely. So, yeah, that's where I'm kind of more, you know, I'm on the practical side of it. And I've, even though the experiences that have to me, I'm also like a big, probably a big skeptic on a lot of these things, you know, a lot of these people do the AI stuff and they'll take a circle and say, there he is. And it's like, well, I don't doubt you, but there's nothing there that, you know, and then you got to take the person too.

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And 99% of people over 50 already have the virus that causes shingles. Not everyone at risk will develop it. But I did. The painful, blistering rash disrupted my life for weeks. Don't learn about your shingles risk the hard way. Talk to your doctor or pharmacist today. Sponsored by GSK. And to see how much weight you're going to give that piece of evidence, whereas if this guy that I'm talking about now, if he shows me a shadow in an area and he says, hey, this wasn't there. I'm going to be able to. like, okay, this guy's got, this probably is, because he, he most likely has another picture that doesn't show it there. Whereas somebody else that's, you know, that's, how would you say, you know, just big foot, everything's big foot. You got red circles around everything. No, I totally get it. Yeah. So that is, that's very interesting, you know, because I haven't talked to

Adam or Matthew about that experience, but that's one example of a portal experience where things come out of it, and then there's another story out of Saddle Blanket Mountain near Oak Ridge, where Bigfoot reached out of a portal and almost

dragged a guy inside of it. It's a wild one that was documented on a BFRO expedition, actually. So I was just curious if you'd ever heard anything like that, and it sounds like you have, it's just, you know, you want to have the okay to share it. Yeah. And the good thing about where I got this sound, and actually I got some pictures of tree

breaks too, if I could find them. I should have got that with you beforehand. Who knows, maybe we'll do this again. But the place where the sounds are coming from, thankfully, there has been none of the orbs or any of that weird stuff yet. so I'm more comfortable going out there because, you know, that just puts you in a whole different realm in a way. And but this other guy that I talked with the cell phone, he's got an area and it's out in that kind of prospect area where we've talked about before. And he has had that kind of stuff.

And he actually kind of made me more of a believer in that just because, because he's super, super, super rational, no nonsense guy that just, you know, and he even admits that this is some crazy, weird stuff. You know, he says he's seen lights going through. He's actually had pictures of it above water and, you know, look like a ball of, ball lightning, one of them. And, you know, it just cried to me some stuff. But, yeah, it's, Yeah, you know, and to me, I try to look at that, like, kind of scientifically, like, okay, let's just, instead of just discounting it, discounting these people, let's assume it's real. And let's assume what does it take to create a portal, or interdimensional portal, or whatever it is, you know, it's going to be, there's going to be some, maybe some electromagnetic radiation, something that can be, something tangible that you can probably look for, which I don't know if anybody has.

I don't know if anybody's even taken that to somebody and said, hey, you know, let me take this meter out here and see if we can get any anomalous readings on, you know, a electromagnetic sensor or something to that type of thing. I'm not that versed on some of that science, but, you know, I read and watch TV. So, but, yeah, there's got to be, oh, there. Oh, nice. There you go. Wow.

Yeah. That's big. Yeah. And he's way back there, so I can't even reach him. But anyways, yeah, he couch potato. But, yeah, so I try to look at those things like that, that, okay, you know, before I used to just, even believing in Bigfoot or believing in the evidence of Bigfoot, too. I believe it because it's my own encounters.

But more importantly, it's the evidence that's at hand. And, you know, I used to just discount kind of that stuff of portholes. And sometimes I'll still make kind of fun of that, you know. But I still, there's too many credible people that. that talk about that. So it's like, okay,

there's something here. And then the other part of it is, is it actually Bigfoot? Or is there a separate thing going on here that is just this big, basically Bigfoot has an association with this, aliens, dimensional beings,

whatever. You know, maybe they're an experiment of theirs. I don't know. you know because when you look at the big foot solely without that thing you can almost say it's a it's a unknown primate or a or people i know a lot of people get uh angry on that too they'll say they're not a they're not a monkey they're a they're a person well a good good program to watch i don't know if you've seen this is uh it's called unknown cave of bones on netflix and

No, I have never watched that, actually. Watch it. And the reason why I say that is there is a species of these apes. They're almost the size of chimpanzee homo niletti. And they found them in this cave system in Africa. And not only did these monkeys, they found out after a long investigation that these monkeys, buried their dead, which kind of almost shows that they believed in an afterlife and believed in a god. And there was other evidence of that. There was evidence of them making fire.

There was evidence of one of them being buried with a tool, which is incredible. You know, because if something's dead, why is it going to give, if it's a monkey or just an ape, you know, you hear that. It's not just an ape. Well, these words, were just an ape and they were using tools and they were burying their dead with a tool, which proves that they believed in an afterlife type of situation. So that's not an ape. That's almost a people, but it is an ape. So it doesn't mean to say like Bigfoot was a giganathipus or some other ape that's evolved doesn't mean it's still an ape.

I mean, you know, it doesn't mean just because you're calling it an ape or whatever that it's not smart or isn't just like a person type of thing. Oh, absolutely. If that makes sense. Yeah, no, I'll have to check that out. That sounds interesting. Yeah, because I've had that a lot of times, you know, I start to talk about that. There's some people that kind of get, they're like almost offended. No, they're a forest people.

And they're not an ape. And it's like, well, you know, I understand that. But there, this is, this is, that doesn't, just by saying that it's an ape or not an ape or a evolution of an ape doesn't degrade it at all. You know, it, it's, here's evidence of actual apes. Yeah. Or from way back doing stuff that's incredible. So, yeah, that, I watched that.

I kind of opened my eyes on that subject. So, no, absolutely. Maybe one more question for you. We have a few minutes left. Have you ever gotten any reports from the Diamond Lake area or anything on 138 going over? Yeah. Okay. Yes.

Yeah, the one, in fact, the one guy that I was talking about earlier with all the pictures and stuff is just is in that area pretty much. Gotcha. You know, lots of stuff there. In fact, I've got a, I put myself out there after my second deal this summer. I put myself out on Facebook that, hey, you know, I know a lot of people don't want to be considered crazy, you know, and they got these stories and you want to tell them, but you don't want to be on the limelight. I said, telling me, I don't care if people think I'm crazy, they already do anyway. But I'm just like, telling me, I'll tell you, you know, I'll try to get out there, tell you stories.

And I got a guy out of Shady Cove area that's told me in the prospect, lots of him. And there's a lady that is out of there that had a face-to-face when she was up mushroom picking. and then I've had this guy where he had a sighting in his Jeep crossing the road and then had it smear the Jeep mirrors with mud muddy handprints. Yeah, really strange. And then I've had another firefighter actually where the helicopters had dropped their food. They would drop it twice a day and something was stealing their food. and one of the girls that was related to him that was on the fire line.

They had to walk this fire line. One of them did every like twice a day, once in the morning or once at night. And they were in the evening. And she had a face-to-face. This thing, she was walking up the trail. And it was like a stump and it had stood up right in front of her. And she just looked right at it. And I still haven't.

I got to go, I want to go interview all these people and get as much deep. detail as I can because it's just just interesting, you know, and there's just so many more, so many more. Wow. I'm glad there's someone like yourself where people feel comfortable enough in that area to be able to talk to. That's awesome. Yeah, that's what I hope, you know, it's just, just let me know, you know, and I'll

try to get it out there. So I just wish I, my biggest thing is, is I try to, well, like you, you, you're asking a lot of detail. Try to get a lot of detail, and I don't want to mess something up of somebody's story, and I don't want to offend them as far as wherever the area is, if there's somebody that's doing this kind of stuff. Wellness looks different at every state.

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Actually, we ride motorcycles all the time. They used to call it the Whistler, the Coors Creek Whistler. And I remember that when I was a kid. Always thought it was crazy. Now I don't. Oh, my goodness. It's so awesome out there. It's like you can find activity pretty much as long as you're near the Cascades. It's pretty amazing. Yeah, it's weird. And then even West, yeah. Yeah, it's weird. There's these certain clusters I'm noticing of spots. And some of them are, you know, random people say, oh, yeah, I've hear it. But there's only.

like I said, this one spot that I know of, I almost can just put a hundred bucks on it and say, go out at this time, you're going to get something. And that's where I've been focusing on trying to get a lot of this audio. And we're going to try to blanket some of the hillsides in that area and try to get some really good audio. Because I hear little bits and pieces of people. and like you, you're just saying, like, that's really good. And it's like, to me, I'm like, wow, you know, it's not that great audio because I'm hearing all the, the creek and, you know, and from what I've, from what I've heard, you know, and this is, you know, and this is, I should be able to get some really, really good stuff. So we'll see.

We'll see. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely. But Mark, thank you so much for, for hanging. out with me for a bit today and for sharing what you've experienced and what you've heard. And definitely keep us in the loop with what happens next down there. It sounds like you've got some really cool plans of, he's a big guy. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's king-sized bed. Oh, wow. So, yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much for coming on today. Mark, no problem. You also are okay if individuals want to reach out to you directly, right?

That's fine. That's fine. I'm all perfectly fine with that. And I think, aren't you, are you going to be in Oregon in this summer? Yeah, I will. Okay. Before, I don't want to miss it. So if you want to contact Mark directly, sometimes people like to talk to people from the area about their stuff. Horbin M. at gmail.com. Yeah, I will be in Oak bridge for in July I'll be speaking at Priscilla's festival, Sasquatch Summer Fest. So I will be in there. I'm going to try to get up there and try to bring him to.

So I might drive up there with a motorhome and make a weekend out of it. So we'll see. And if I do, I'll see you there. Awesome. Yeah. It'd be great to me. Yeah. I mean, it's it's one of those where you can, you know, camp out and stuff like that.

So that's pretty cool. but yeah, we'll be in touch, Mark, and thank you so much. Okay, yeah, feel free. Contact me anytime. So. Have you ever heard all the accounts of Bigfoot activity around Oak Ridge, Oregon? And you think to yourself, man, I would love to get out in those woods and experience it for myself. Well, guess what?

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