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01:21Say 40% for a limited time.Get started at CNN.com slash subscribe.Terms apply.Kara Swisher wants to live forever.New series now streaming with a CNN subscription.Bigfoot Society.In this classic episode from 2021, I talked to Jackie talks about her intense face-to-face Bigfoot encounter in Humboldt County, California.If you've experienced something similar to what Jackie has or have more information regarding Bigfoot or other cryptids in the same area,
01:51please reach out to me immediately after this episode.Remember, your encounter could be the key to unlocking this mystery once and for all,so please don't hesitate to contact me at Bigfoot Society at Gmail.I have the privilege of talking to Jackie talks for me this afternoon. For her, it's this night,because she's over in the UK. Jackie is really a cryptosologist, a Bigfoot researcher.She has a psychology degree, all sorts of stuff going on. Is there anything else you would liketo add to that as well, Jackie? I'm also a trained cancer therapist, so that's been quite goodin the research as well. Awesome. Oh, yeah.
02:31of an interview and witnesses as well.Oh, totally, yeah.Yeah.I am extremely interested in that.How has that helped with your witness interviewing?I think especially my therapy experienceand also my first psychology degree,if somebody's fabricating stuff,
02:50you can tend to tell.Very subtle, nonverbal.Sometimes they look at you too intensely.That's one thing they'll do.It also depends, though, people may look.I didn't really know about numerolinguistic programming.When people are thinking about things from there,it depends where they're left or right-handed,
03:12but most people, they'll look down for recall,and the left or right for recall,and then opposite the things from imagination.And you've got to deem really what's their dominant brain sideactually tell whether they're trying to fabricate stuffjust by, you can do little tests of stuff.there's all sorts of things you can do really and i think it's also just checking withsomebody's a credible witness not necessarily about what work background they've got but
03:40it can help really and what checking up in the community are they seen as a reliable person andi think the big thing with multiple witnesses as well if you've got multiple witnesses that'sthat's really powerful i'm going to be aware of everything i do in this interview after that conversationI find myself looking up a lot when I'm interviewing.Does looking up mean anything particularly usually?It usually means, I know the old thing they used to say about teachers would say to the kids,it's the answer's not on the ceiling.But actually it is because it helps them dispel when they look upwards.
04:19Oh, interesting.Wired and what, yeah.So actually the teachers used to tell kids off.But actually it was actually helps them to spell.I was involved in some experiments.and I got wired up by a psychologist.No way.Oh, really?
04:33That's cool.Yeah, it was quite when I was at university,some of a psychology degree.It was quite fun that.Do you mind me asking,so you're in the UK,what part generally over there,just for context?
04:46I'm presently living in Devon,which is a south part of the southwest.It's also where, right,not far from me,where they filmed some of War Horse as well,Spielberg, War Horse.Oh, yeah, sure.Yeah, we get quite Cornwall, quite a lot of stuff filmed.
05:02The last scene of Apolletto when they see the conquistals on the beach is actually filmed in Cornwall.I hear it's beautiful over there.I've been over to Ireland two times to the western coast, Galway area.And it's just such a beautiful Ireland is definitely laid back.I haven't been to England yet, but someday either that or Scotland, I have Scottish heritage.But yeah, it's such a beautiful, nothing like being able to walk up to old.medieval forts that don't have fences around them and just enjoy it.Oh, yeah.
05:32We've got some really old sort of Celtic and,yeah,even Neolithic forts as well.They're quite cool.Yeah.In America,we'd have that lockdown because we don't trust anyone.And it's like over there,
05:45it's like whatever.It's really cool.I'm curious,how did you get into cryptozoology?What's your story there?A very weird,as a child,I used to watch the series of philosophy,
05:56Clark's mysterious world and it had all different strange phenomena but one of them I remember as achild about must have been seven eight years old watching Patty very famous walking across thegroup and thought oh I'd love to do that but never thought anything I would ever woulda big button but I've never seen Bob Gimlin as well a very younger Bob Gimlin in thatoh you did yeah back in the 80s and oh wow I never thought I'd get involved with that and then I had a reallystrange encounter. I was reading the 14 times. Do you get the 14 times over there?No, but I have, who's my contact? I have a contact, I believe his name is Peter Loss. Peter.So he got me an interview with Richard Freeman, which was fantastic. And then British cryptozoology
06:44is amazing. It makes us look like we're in the Wild West and you guys are super locked in.And it's, you're going for it. And you're all over the world and you're taping stuff. And it's, you don'tcare if it's on TV or not. TV doesn't matter. It's very respectable.I respect to you guys over there. Yeah, I think people are very dedicated here.Oh, yeah. I think as well, I think we have, because I know in America, I noticed people don'tget much time off work, a lot less than they do in England, so we have longer holidays, and Ithink that makes a difference. Sure.I've been able to do that, but going back to Richard Freeman, actually, the way I got into
07:21it, I was reading the 14 times, and there was this article on the Mongolian deathworm, which is not secreted.And I got to the end, and there was a picture of a gossy-looking guy next to a dragon.And I thought, I thought, he looks a bit scary.Anyways, I thought, I'd have at the time.And it was 20 past 10 at night.I thought, well, better walk the dog quit.I walked to the end of my road, which is near the train station, big main train station next to
07:44in Devon, across the road, and then walked along.And then suddenly the guy whose picture I have seen in the magazine walks past me.Oh, no way.magazine. So I did this double tape and I swung round and I said, oh, excuse me, you'rerichard. He went, yeah, and he was looking at me strange. My dog was a bit scary looking,but that's actually really funny. And he does like dogs, but, and I said, do you write forthe 14 times? He goes, yeah. And I went, oh my God, I've just been reading an article.Absolutely freak me out. So we've just stood, ooh, weird. Anyway, about six months later,
08:17the train station had a news agent there and now, and I was buying the 14 times and two hands wentto grab a copy.So he said,I was the person who met you on the street.He said,oh,yeah,I remember you.
08:30And then he invited me to the conference,the,called Weird Weekend.Yeah.Then there's a weird weekendas one held in Devon.There's no one held up in North as well in Manchester.And then I met various people.
08:46I think that was second conference I went to.I met Adam Davies.And he was going,I'd be invited out with Laurie Simmons to a big foot in.So he said, oh, you can come if you want to.So I joined them and other people from the Central Fortisology.Went out and not looked back since.So seriously got into it.
09:07Wow.Man, the coincidence and synchronicities for that all to happen is wild.What are the chances?Yeah.It's amazing.I didn't realize he lived in Exeter as well,but the chance of me reading the articleand he was literally just past the bottom of my street.
09:25Wow.Such a cool story.Yeah, he's almost meant to be getting, he's one of my best mates now.Oh, nice, yeah.He's a cool dude.Yeah, and me and other friends with me to do stuff.And yeah, I've been like to North America.I've been to Carbidina Bulgaria, which is now in Russia looking for the Almastie.
09:46Oh, yeah.Yeah, so I've been to Nepal as well, interviewing people about Yeti site.And although the last time I was there, I've got a possible interview with a professor there who's,I think he does economic stuff, but he's also written books on Yetis.And he had a theory that Yetis have a migratory route, which is interesting.Because there's some theory with bigfuts that they go from the mountain to the coast in the winter,which I thought was really interesting.And a bookseller said, oh, I just happened to know him.
10:18I'll arrange you to meet him.and just as he was arranging the Nepal earthquake.So I was in the earthquake,and we just had to get out of theirs because we could, really.There was still quake happening.Yeah, so I could meet him,but we're meeting people who'd had like rocks thrown at them by Yetis,and my friends, I was just meeting a friend,
10:40my friend's brother there,because suddenly my friend who was a Sherper died,and he basically hired some guides,and he said they came back absolutely shaking with things,and crying like children, he said.Oh, my goodness.And they come up from, they were at Annapurna circuit, Anapurna Mountain.Yep, yep.
10:57And he said, what's the matter?What's Maron?He said, he ended up hugging them, which he wouldn't normally do.It's not really, and he said, like, they were like little children crying.And he said, what's the matter?And he said, big man monkey, three rocks of us.And he said, how big were the rocks?And they basically, the coffee table size.
11:15So it wasn't going to be a macaque.And they said, what did it look like?and they said taller than any white man.They'd get quite a few Americans in Catman about six foot seven,and they said, well above that.They said, really?Right.And they said it had no tail, so I'm pretty sure it was a Yeti from the description,
11:34but he rocked the massive.So I met a guy in Exeter, actually, he'd seen a Yeti when he was 13.And he doubt with his dad, climbing lower peaks.He was near this forest area, and he saw something standing up.And he thought, what's that?He thought it was a bear.And suddenly this thing panicked.And it was on all fours.
11:55And he described it having a face like a cat.So he said, you've got what the bear knows,but the rest of it was hair, but a flat face.And he said it was standing upright.And he looked manline.And suddenly it went on all fours and panicked and sort of running all fours.And it gambled him over.He just, that's like he staggered a bit and fell backwards.
12:16And then all the Sherpers grabbed his camera off.and said like this.No way.So yeah,this was just a casual conversationwith a guy in my townin a Yeti as well.Oh, I love it.
12:28That's amazing.Oh, man.Wow, you have really gottenyourself into some crazy adventures, haven't you?Yeah.That chance meeting.Yeah, the one in, yeah, Russia was quite,I've obviously done not Bigfoot stuff.
12:41That's my area.But the one in Russia was quite interesting.Originally, I think they wondered what we werebecause there was no other west.customers in the area and I think we had the police come and sit with us and the detectivekept joining us every night and I thought I were going to get arrested and then he said we thoughtyou might be some spies or something but we realized you were just crazy scientists and then he wasjoined with us but they all completely believed in it they all said I don't know why you're
13:07interested in it it's just a normal animal no way they view it as a normal animal yeahthe farmers were saying loads of them we don't know why you're so interestedYeah, they were just bemused as to why we'd be out there looking for it.They said, why don't you look for bears, whatever?They just couldn't understand why we were looking for this thingbecause they knew it existed.Yeah.And I had this really bizarre conversation.
13:34We interviewed this guy who was an ex-priest.Okay.And he'd been with, this was the time of the iron curtain,and I don't know what he'd done, but he ended up in jail and no longer a priest.But he was telling us, and this guy,was quite a credible witness being a priesttelling us how his grandmother used tohave one in the garden and Almastie,
13:54which is the Almasters,no, it's a bit...My friends have sin it to my friends,Ukrainian friends, and they said it looked a bit likean Australopithecus. That was the closestLucy Macbara. Yeah, yeah.And he was basically saying his grandmotherhad one coming to the garden, and it was throwing a few things
14:14to start with them. When she fed it, it was a female one.And then it got quite tame and it's sit next to her grandmother and she'd feed it.And then the grandmother, oh, actually this could be quite useful because it could be aggressive, but it's okay with me.So she tamed it and she put straw down in the shed and it used to sleep there.So she basically ended up with this hominid guard dock.Okay.So anybody would literally throw rocks at them.This is funny because, so I did an interview last week with a researcher from Alaska, Fairbanks area.
14:47And she shared a story with me from the 1860s that has been passed down in her area.It's not in a book at all that she's aware of where it's very similar to that,where there was an older grandmother where there was pretty much like a younger Bigfootand it like became almost like her son and was helping out.And like after she was gone, it just disappeared.I got told the one up at Ocean Shores by the First Nation people there.There was an elderly chap who lived on the edge of the ocean shoreswho used to feed this quite a large, I think it was a male, Bigfoot,
15:27and sit on the bench with it.And then it regularly meet him every night.He'd hand it food.And then he said the old man died and the Bigfoot disappeared.Nobody saw it.But he said, oh, yeah, we all remember that.It was just like a normal thing.Yeah, normal thing for them.
15:42You had mentioned that you've gone to North America for expeditions as well.Do you mind sharing about some of that?Yeah, quite a few times.The first time with Adam Davis and Laurie Simmons,and we got the sort of camera trap photo that's quite controversial.I really don't know what that was,but we did have, if you can see it on YouTube,but extreme expeditions it comes up.
16:07And we did have one of our members who's quite strong.docky cracked in the same position,but somebody else there's analysisand said from judging Dave's heightcompared to this thing was about eight feet tall.But we don't know.We didn't know whether it was,I think we were just open-minded.
16:25Is it one of us in a sleeping bag or just looked too large?Very strained, but it was just no footprintsbecause the ground was just really solidor just dust and you can get in touch.But we did see about 10, 15 miles away from there.We did find some really good.Bigfoot foot footprints.PNC Bank brings you
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18:40They're like one after the other.And that's, they look quite authentic.And I also heard what I think was a howl.Really?Yeah, just as I was getting my tent.The others had gone over the other side,but I could hear what sounded like a howl.Was it like, are you familiar with the Ohio howl
18:56from the early 90s, like that one?Yeah.It's the one you hear on all the TV shows.Yeah, that one.Yeah.Yeah.Yeah.But the excitement and stuff really starts to happen
19:08with 2014 and went out with Tom Contral.I've met Tom on the first day.Oh yeah, totally. Cool.And we went, quite a few of us met up and we went just outside Orleans.There's a logging road up there.It's the OS or G Road.Anyway, the Orleans to, oh, I remember the name.Anyway, this was in 2014.
19:30And we got there and you could clearly see what looked like big footprints within minute.No way.like over the antills, the big footprints.Oh, this is good.And then it's about three, four days in,we would regularly would drive to Willow Creekjust to get a meal, which is about 40 miles away.Now, the logging road's really good.
19:51It's, oh, what do you call it?I don't know what you call it.It's like gravely stuff,but it can drive quite fast on it.I got you.I got you to get it quite safely.Yeah.And then a bit to the campsite,
20:00you have to go really slow.But we were going along there.It was 24 in the afternoon.and I suddenly see from a distanceand I'm really annoyedbecause it was that I was just chargingmy camcorder batteriesand all the things out of all the things
20:15jammed in with my neck support thingand like, oh no.These things from a distancethey look like two menin all in one suits,dark suits with a hood up,but bare feet.And I said to Tom,
20:29God, what are these idiots doing?They're killing their feet on their.God, do you think they're drug runners,doesn't they?He starts laughing and he said, what are you here to look for?Oh, that's awesome.Yeah, what are you here?Oh, yeah, it gets better than that, though.
20:42They then ran out into burnt trees and then panicked because they couldn't get coverbecause it was literally burnt out for miles on the one side, but not on the other.Oh, yeah, sure.And then they suddenly came back in front of the car.And I'm talking, I got my head turned to time.I heard him yell.And suddenly they're right in front of the car and he slams on the brakes and manages to stop.and you're skidding because it's like quite gravelly.
21:07And literally for about a second and a half,they just stood there because they don't know where to goand you tell they were panicking.They were like rifting and their faces like twitching.The one you could go.I was just looking at the one, you know,was flicking to the table of the one.I was looking at mainly.
21:23And you could see the faces twitching.They were that close.They were panicking.They didn't know what to do.And then they shot down a really steep slope,which afterwards, it's funny.people do this.I've read it very consistent.
21:36People will see them and not stopbecause your brain's going,oh,not to that,but it doesn't know what to do.My brain is also,wouldn't have said stopbecause a bit and things,
21:44they're just really weirdlooking for a grunners,because your brain's trying to rationalise.It's got to be something else, yeah.But also, you don't,but for Tom, it was the novelty.He hardly, like,oh yeah, glad you've seen them sort of thing.
21:56He hardly reacted because Tom's seen themloads of times.And Arla, Kaleach was in the back as well.and she she didn't react too muchbecause she's seen loads of them as wellbut they were like to type of name.Who was that?Who was that in the bedroom?
22:10Alah Killeach Collins.I never pronounce her name right.I'll check though and let you know.But Ala, I know it's Allah,but Colette, that's it I think.Anyway, she was in the back as well.She'd been half asleepso she woke up just to see them shooting over this slope.
22:26Yeah.But it was a close up.You could see the, it wasn't fur.It was like hair all over, just like this, but all over, apart from the face, which was a lot bearer.And the hands looked a lot better and some of the feet, a little bit on the chest.But you could see that the face was really not, their eyes were a lot bigger than I expected.They were all dark.I couldn't see any white at all.
22:53They were quite spooky-looking eyes.Very deep, deep, brow-ridge, pointed headlug because domed headluck and gorilla, like such a crest, possibly.and massive shoulders.The shoulders are about three and a foot across.Oh, wow.But it was almost like an inverted triangle.So they've got the very broad shoulder.And the legs were incredibly thin.
23:14You know, they weren't stocky like they could train some images.They were like a human's leg.That's interesting.They were a bit like a rugby player in Englandor I don't know what you call rugby there.But rugby players don't have much neck.They're very mussela.You couldn't see much neck.
23:31as well.Oh, man.Yeah.Yeah.Remind me how far away were they when you're taking a look at them?I reckon I said 15 feet.Tom said 20 feet.And I said they were six and a half and seven foot tall.
23:46Tom said they were seven and seven and a half feet tall.He's ex-forces.So he's probably going to be, and he's an ex-logger,he's probably better at judging distances.Sure.Yeah.You said Northern California area because you were driving into Bluff Creek?Yeah.
24:00It was basically, we found out afterwards, it was two and a half miles from Bluff Creek,the Patty was formed where we saw them.Wow.Humboldt, I think this Humboldt County, something like that, yeah.Yeah.Oh, that's fascinating.Curious, I don't think you mentioned this.Do you remember color scheme at all?
24:18They were like, very dark.It was almost like black, but slightly slaty gray, but I think they were black,because it was very dusty.I think the dust have given the effect of slaty gray,but I think they're actually black or very dark brown.They looked almost like slaty grey.We have Welsh slate and that's like a very dark grey.Did seeing, so looking at the figures,
24:42looking at the faces,did that evoke any emotions particularly in you?I always find that interesting.I think there's basically,it's like seeing a unicorn in the middle of road.You just go, I can't believe I'm seeing this.And your brain's going, oh, it can't be that.It must be drug runners.
24:58I must be drug runners.I must be drug runners.I was thinking if they're wearing a big woolly suitin that weather, it was hot.It was really cold at night,but really hot in the day.As Tom said, they'd be blacked out.They would not cope with that heat.
25:14Your brains rationalised and are they just really ugly blokes?And I think I'm never going to end up in an interview with this guy.But I would describe the face like a really ugly Zaviyo Badem.got very similar features for himthat's amazingyeah no I knowyeah yeahI was amazed how human
25:35yeahwow that's really interestingand I'll find youthat as I'm speakingI'll find youthe net all of some surnameI'm hopefully someoneher surname
25:43but she she sayssome of them are actuallyquite handled by human termssome of them are quiteeight in someI say allahreallyKalich Collette
25:51that's her nameis that anotherresearcher from the UKorNo, she's from, originally from Texas.Really?I've never heard that name before.She's written books on it as well.
26:04Okay.As a child, her and a mother came across a couple.She's been interested.I have to check that out.So that's interesting.They're saying that some of them were almost better looking than others or like some of them.Yeah, there's both, you know, those the ugly ones and the pretty ones.There's, those who look eight-like, knows who look like you.
26:25I know some people have said.Is it a subbreed or are they just like people?You're going to get ugly people and pretty people.Yeah, sure.I know with Richards, that organization,they sometimes would make,I haven't watched you all the stuff on YouTube,but they've got a lot of stuff.
26:43Is there footage available to watch of that expeditionor is like a private thing?The one I did with Tom,I have got a lot of it's funshed.I've been very busy with work.I've not got around to putting stuff together.though. I did do a bit of filming. Yeah. It's just hanging out.It's one of those things, isn't it? Yeah, I know.
27:03No. It's one of those things. It's, I get it. I get it. Yeah. I often try to get other people to film there.I have actually done filmmaking courses. Yeah. I'm notorious for connecting it, but not compiling it.Although I have made friends with a guy with the production company, Brian Sterling, V.And we're hoping to do stuff together. He's ex-bbc cameraman.Oh, wow.presenter he's got his own so that's that should be good is there is there footage of the big footor no okay no it's one of those things charging the camera but i think even if i'd have the camerathere and now people are often asked like why the one with we got quite a lot of film with the one
27:44with adam davis there's already been the camera the photo has been published but i think the thingis when you see one now it's like with jeremy holden while i've camera i'm fromAustralia when he saw in Narang Pendek.He's used to acting quick to film stuff and he just dropped his camera.From what I hear, you can't be prepared for it.You can't.Your brain's in shock.I think if I saw one a second time, but even the second time, I had the rock throwing
28:12incident, which was highly likely to be one that was just after the Sasquatch Summit,which was one of the Saturday night.It was on in November a couple of years ago.and Brooklyn and Cisco who films the summit.He normally works in television and film.We always try to do a little tiny expedition on Saturday nightand go out for a couple of hours because it's a prime big area there.And we asked Johnny who runs the summit,
28:37is there anything activity?And he said, yeah, we've had solid activity a couple of miles away.And he gave us the rough location.He said, yeah, we've had loads of loads of sightings of a big foot.So we went out to this location and went down a little logging road there.and we just randomly choked just part of the carI went down this logging roadprobably about half a mile
28:57and I could see the carI could get a thermal image of the car enginestill from where I wasso we weren't that far but probablya quarter mile and it was a verysmall logging roadvery strange actually andwe started doing the whoops
29:13we started doing bit wood knockingbrooky with a hellI'm pretty good at the whoops but I'm scared peopleI think it's the real thingBut we didn't it. It was a bit of a laugh, really. We didn't really expect to get anything. It was raining a little, so we couldn't really use much equipment. I was using my thermal for a bit when it stopped raining. But the undergrowth was so thick. The trees hadn't been thinned out, really thick. You couldn't really see through. And we carried on, do expect anything? And suddenly, Brooklyn just grabs me. And he goes, oh, I've just heard a growl. And I can hear something in the undergrowth. And he said, I said, what was the growl like? And he said, like this. And it sat. I said,Oh my God, that sounds like that's like a silverback gorillabecause I've sat with my gorillasand the sound he did was just like an annoyed gorilla sound.
29:59I thought, whoa, I said, but he also could be a bear.They did it huffy, so, yes, it could be.So we were getting a little bit sick.It was such a small path unless you could run back to the car.Something blocked your path.You'd have nowhere to go.You couldn't get through the undergrowth.It was too thick.
30:14So a little bit delicate at this point,we're quite vulnerable.And then you heard the undergrowth.initially it was really quiet thoughwe thought it was like a raccoonand then we heard the groundit was almost a bit louderbut not like
30:26frathe was likerelatively quietbut then you heardbut this soundthat the grunt was literallyabout foot above Brooklyn's headand Brooklyn's about six foot threesix five so the ground was flat
30:38so he thoughtoh this thing's toreso we startbut it could have been a bearon its hind legsbut then we had a pine conethrown at our feetand we thought
30:47oh it's got tonsand I saidit's probably just fallen offthe tree, don't panic.And suddenly a little stone came in front of my face.Oh, man.And I thought, oh, my God, it's definitely got hounds.So we were like starting to panic at this point.
31:01And I think Brooklyn did the wrong thing.He pulled his machete out and it stopped.Oh, dear.He was swinging his touch.We just panic because it was so close.This thing was no more than four or five feet away.Really?Yeah, yeah, it was that.
31:17Oh, wow.And he took out a machete?Yeah, he had a little tiny machine, one small machete is like...That could have been it.Yeah, it wasn't a good choice.Anyway, whatever it was...Or maybe it was a good choice.You don't know.
31:30You don't know, but it was, whatever it was,I'm pretty sure it wasn't a human,because the next thing that came hurtling throughwas probably something like that.It was like a rock,but it was with such force.It actually, and the ground was quite hard.It wasn't completely frozen,
31:48but it was quite hard the ground.It literally went to...into the ground and it smashed every stone it hit in their hard stones.And the force this thing was thrown.It was like, I don't know whether you have shot putting as a...Yeah, totally.Yeah, yeah.Just literally like a shot putter.
32:04And I thought, oh my God, that's not a human.Initially, Brooklyn shout, stop pacing around, stop fooling around.He thought it was a human.I thought we'd possibly set up.But the force, unless somebody had a catapult on them,randomly sat in winterbut it would have been about half tennearly eleven at night
32:24and they wouldn't have got it throughit must have I'm pretty sure it was a big footand the growl it was likeYou said this is a colleague of yoursnamed Brooklyn?Brooklyn he's the guy who filmsthe Suspot Summit yeahhe's normally he does like production
32:41manager stuff and all sorts of other stuffas well for televisionand yeahRemind me, I am not overly familiar with the Sasquatch Summit.Tell me a little more about that.It's really good.Everybody gets there on the Friday nights.There's a little bit of a social thing there.
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34:27of the way difficult.Talked or Pharmaceutical,patrocinoed for GSC.It's very unusual in the English conferences.It would be a whole Saturday,but obviously people traveling long distances,you can't do that in this country.country. It's a bit unusual for me, but I find it literally starts about eight, nine in the
34:46morning and carries on all the way through. And we find that a bit of a challenge in England.We like our break. So I try to...Tea time. Not that, probably.There's so many lectures, and it's really good. There's all time of people there. They oftenhave Bob Gimlin there. Is this in the UK?No, we haven't had one yet in the UK. Tom Contral ages ago was trying to get one started in the UK.And we do have one's general cryptosolology and unusual phenomena,but we've not had a big foot one.
35:18It'd be great if we could get one,because I'm sure we'd fill it.That'd be crazy.So the Saskatchewa Summit, it's a US thing, man.The US, yeah.Oh, really?I'll have to look it up.Ocean shores, Washington State, yeah.
35:29Okay.I'm going to get feedback.They'll be like, you've never heard of this.But there's so many things.I think it's one of the biggest conferences on.Oh, that makes me feel.even more amazing.Yeah, it is great.
35:44One more,Ed, Tom Powell,great,Bob Gimlin, as I said,who's actuallyvery close friendswith Tom Cantrell,so I know Bob.
35:52He's great guy.I was watching thatArthur C. Clarke,mysterious world.I never thoughtI'd end up friends with Bob.I got...Didn't we invite
36:01when I go backand it's,oh my God.That's funny because I wonderif that's likehow everyone in America is likeI watchedin search of as a little kid.
36:09I want...Is that like theBritish equivalent, like the Arthur C. Clark. I got a copy of it in search of, yeah. Okay.Okay. Okay.No more, wasn't it? Yeah. Yeah, I've got that one as well. Okay, cool. We used to get thatas well. Yeah, very similar. Nice. Obviously, the guy who designed the satellite.Yeah, kind of a big deal. You know, good presenter as well. Yeah. Similar stuff, really.Gotcha. I have to check it out. So you said you met Bob Gillen back in the 80s?
36:37Oh, no, no. I saw him on this program in the 80s.Oh, okay.Yeah, when I was, you know, about 10 years old, eight, nine years old, something like that.But obviously, I know him now because I've met him at the summit.He's friends, very close friends with Tom Cantrell is my main mentor, really.So, yeah, it's really weird.I've actually got to know this guy as a child.I'd be watching on this thing.
37:01That's got to be so cool.It's wonderful for me.It's such a nice, it's so honest as well.You meet him and Tom said, you'll know in the first 10 minutes,the guy didn't fake it.And he would,he was a really transparent guy,really incredibly honest,
37:15he very religious and genuinely wants to help people,really nice guy.And he'll say,I could have been fooled by Patterson.He could have set me up,but I'm pretty sure because this guy would have been in his suit for daysand he probably would have been a tap by a bear.And he would have got really cold.
37:32He'll say,I'm pretty sure it was real.He'll be very honest that he could.Yeah.He said,I'm pretty sure it was.Yeah.That's so amazing.
37:39I hear.version of that from everyone that I interview that has met him. So you're definitely dead on withthat. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. I have a few listeners that are starting to get into actuallyinterviewing witnesses of maybe different types of cryptid sightings. Do you, and I know we'vetalked about this at the beginning, but any, any advice for them as they start off with maybe theirbest practices when they start off their first interview of a witness? I think no leading questions.I think that's an important thing really with anything like that. Don't ask leading questions.Just let the people speak and get the description first. You can ask questions later on,
38:27but just let them speak, because if somebody is confabulating, if they are making it up, you'regiving them cues what you want. So I think it's good to just let them speak. Just say, tell usyou saw and just don't say anything.So I think that's, and you can alsothe consistency in the report, really.But sometimes interesting in courts,a couple of friends of mine who were judges,have said inconsistency is sometimes a good thing
38:55to indicate it's true.If somebody's lying, they're often rehearsed the storya bit too well and they're too consistent,a little bit.And also, it's in like child abuse cases.People are stressed.they're often memories not that goodbecause when you're seeing something you're scared of,
39:12your primitive brain kicks in,your low brain centres,and that's often out of time sequence.It's often not very goodbecause that's your reptile brain.It doesn't really have contact of time or sequence.If you've got two, the person said,oh, it's exactly, I can say,
39:31oh yeah, it was about 20 to 4because we both purposely looked to the clock.But you get it.Some people's stories,there's too much that sort of detail,which with somebody's adrenaline going,make you think they,yeah,
39:44there's too much.That's fascinating.Yeah.Have you written any books, Jackie?No,I keep people keep encouraging me to.You need to.You absolutely need to.
39:56Oh, wow.I'm really surprised you haven't.The stories you've been telling.People keep telling me I need to.And I think it would be good to do a bookfrom an English person's perspective.to visiting America to look.Oh my goodness, yes.
40:11I found other people in UKyou do go over.It's quite good to get involved with them, really.I've written articles for journals, but yeah.You could even just record yourself talkingand have someone transcribe it too.That might be an option too.But yeah, that would be so.
40:29I know plenty of people that would be into readingthe viewpoint of big footing in the Pacific Northwest,Northern California from someone from the UK.That would be so cool.And I don't think that book has ever been written.Yeah.I wrote quite a chunk of my experiences in Richard Freeman's Adventures in Crypto's.Oh, okay.
40:50I wrote a sort of section in there about mine, my two main big experiences.So they're in there.But yeah, it is quite.It's that further step, isn't it, the book?It is right.It's a big challenge.My friend Richard Freeman, he's just written loads.and I just don't know how he does that.
41:07I don't know either.And Peter Laws as well.It's like the whole research behind it as well.Yeah.Yeah.Man, if we had the same determination over here,imagine how much would be putting out in the US.Yeah, Richard is putting out some serious books.
41:29Yeah.Is there any place that you haven't gotten to investigate yetthat you would, that's on the bucket.list. I'd love you, Tam, because I love to go there, because it's amazing country. I've onlyrecently allowed internet there because they're worried about corrupting people. And one of theprinces there is seriously into Yeti hunting. Really? He was on that program, wasn't he?What about, oh, what's it called? Anyway, this English guy went out there with a team. They'd spotted aYeti in this certain area.
42:00They'd been footprints found.And they managed to get environmental DNA,which is DNA from water and soil.And they got a DNA that looked in between a human and an ape.And it was proper DNA.But they interviewed one of the princes of Utah.And hardly ever, will he allow an interview?But he was so serious.
42:20And he said, oh, I've set up a Yeti reserve.And he's seriously into it.He couldn't get him himself.He sent one of his representatives.Oh, to do the interview.Oh, yeah.So it's quite serious.It's great, isn't it?
42:34I have to check that out.That's awesome.Yeah, yeah.I am going to, so got the list of questions here.So these are, they're interesting questions.There might be some that are like, oh, that's a little departure.Still into kind of cryptozoology, but just we'll see.But is there anything that I should ask you that I didn't know enough to ask?
42:56Oh.Yeah, interesting.Right. Oh, I don't know.You could ask me, what else do I do, apart from Cryptozoology?That's true, yeah.But it's relevant to this program.I do paranormal investigation as well.Oh, man.
43:11Yeah.That's a whole different.Yeah.Yeah.But it's similar overlap because you're used to using night vision stuff.Yeah.So similar stuff.And it also, another thing where it tests your reality really and you're willingness
43:25to open up to stuff.And I've had some pretty weird experiences with that.as well. So it makes me a lot more receptive to Bigfoot. I actually had what seems to be ghostsdo things to order for me and I've asked them to and all sorts. So yeah, that's some weird stuff.So Bigfoot's not weird to be anymore. I think it's poorly normal. Is there an incident in thatparanormal research that made you completely change your worldview? I think the first time you get anexperience. I think it really throws you. I was out. I don't know whether you've ever seenMost Haunted. It's like a big ghost program.
44:05Out with David Wells and I've also done stuff for Kieran O'Keefe and I've appeared onI think taps. And I was, I did an investigation with David and this group and it,I just got some very bright light or ops on the camera. And it just, I thought,whoa. And for six months I couldn't go, it was my first experience. I couldn't go,ghost hunting it completely freaking out.I thought, oh my goodness, they really exist.I'd had some weird stuff when I was younger with experiences,but it really threw my sense of reality for a while.
44:40And I think I showed to some people who just couldn't dare looking at it,it would have scared them.And I think that first experience,and I've had other things that are just so bizarre,had one pub called the Carrick Barton,used to be part of the bits of it.It was a monastery that was knocked downand then it was rebuilt.
44:59It was a school and it now at a public house.And it's really haunted.It's been investigated by loads of the television teams.It's got loads of ghosts, monk ghosts, you name it, it's got it.And we had this one that you'd be thereand the door handle would be bang, bang, bang.And we could actually bunk it to check it wasn't sucked airbecause there was another door behind it.
45:21It wasn't.And then we see.study in front of it and there was six of usI think andwe weren't really thinkinganything would happen. We just said all, we knowyou're there anddo you mind moving
45:35the door handle again? As we watchthere was about four or five of usI think a couple of them couldn't see it because theywere obscured by a bit of furniturebut you could see a white lightlike a ball of white light that almost look likeplasma like almost like planktonwhose programme's illuminated from the back
45:51and it was slightly moving like in aIt was circular, but it would change shape,literally came out of the wall,went towards this door handle,and then the door handle,and the voices had got really high,because it's going,oh, thank you very much,
46:04you might do that again.And it, it, it, eat, it again.And then, you're doing the third time.It, eat, eat, eat.No, he said, oh, thank you very much.And then the ball of light went back into the wall.And went, oh, my goodness.That's it.
46:16So, yeah.Wow, what, that was in England?Or?Oh, it was in England.Yeah.Wow.Cowick Barton Pub in Exeter and Devon and it's been it's got monk ghosts,a little ghost who will do things to order.
46:32Yeah, she's quite good.Yeah, she'll giggle in your ear and she'll, like,they hear the crying in the kitchen, but she'll actually do stuff if you asked her to do it.It's freaky.Yeah, no thanks.I'll let you.You got all those.Yeah.
46:46Very receptive ghost, but that was freaky, this light ball.The little girl, you know, you can say, will you,stand next to somebody, but you'll tell the ghost and not them, and then you'll see whichyou can feel the cold spot, and it's always the person.Pranks with a ghost.I love it.What are you most excited about right now?It could be anything.
47:10Oh, I mean, I'm just about to live on a canal boat.That's right, yeah.Yeah, so I've been exploring, reading up about haunted waterways, and there's loads of themThe Irish navvies who built the canals, loads of them died.It was really bad.There weren't a lot of safety things and there's loads of haunted tunnel.I'm really waiting to get down there.But I really want to get back out to America and do some Bigfoot research.
47:38That'd be cool.Various people and just want to get out of there and just get back.Yeah, but it's quite frustrating at the moment.But I have been looking at more Almasdi sightings in different areas of the world,where those might be.Wow.Any Papua New Guinea stuff?I do.
47:56I've not actually been there yet.I've gone in by Rex Yappy.Talk to him quite a lot.And about the Ropan,which is the flying reptilepossibly out there.Yeah.If there's going to be anything,
48:10it'll be there.But might you area,the Siberia,just go on forever.I'll flown over Siberia,and it just goes on for hours.Yikes.So we see that we're not Canada as well,
48:19isn't it?It's amazing.Some of the, there are the possibility of any undiscovered creatures.And I think New Guinea as well, there's so much that's been explored there.Is Rex say a cryptosolologist over there?Yeah.He's, I think he's the main one, if not the only one.Oh, he's the dude for PNG.
48:39Yeah.He's good.Yeah.I got to track that dude down.That would be cool.What are the top books someone getting into Bigfoot should have on their bookshelf?What do you recommend?Although he is my very close friend, I wouldn't just say this just because he's my friend,
48:54but Richard Freeman's Adventures in Cryptoology.Oh, yeah, sure.He's already got Volume 1 out, Volume 2, I think, it's coming out about October.They are, it's really well written.Really good.Covers dragons.All sorts of stuff, yeah.Varys, very good researcher.
49:11He's like an encyclopedia, Richard.You just ask him something.I'll tell you the date and who did it and, yeah, I got amazing memory.I like Tom Powell's book, the locals.That's very good.And the pictures on the front are very authentic looking.Okay, so hold on.That's interesting.
49:27So very authentic.Like that matches up with what you saw.Very similar, yeah.Really?Very similar.Yeah, the face is just right.Yeah.That book that Autumn Williams did, was it called the one?
49:40Oh, it's got religious.The one that Autumn Williams did about the bloke who reckoned he spent time with a big foot.I'm just trying to think.I think what's a, oh.I can remember the name of it now.But that, Enon, that's the one.Yeah, that's amazingly close as well.Yeah, we call that.
49:57And also, there's that other one,the radio show guy who saw one who got the face reconstructed.That was a bit similar.It was a bit more ape-like.But, yeah, I've seen some,and it's made me go cold because they look so similar.And I've got a bit shaky, yeah.PNC Bank brings you,
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51:40pharmaceutical, patrocinoed by GSK.Okay.Some things are sent me a bit shaky again.I'm almost reliving it because my sighting was all, I almost recall it like a road accidentbecause your brain slows down because you're in shock and you know, I don't know some.Yeah.Ooh, that is cool.Not that you have to relive that, but just the fact that some book covers will just be like,
52:04bam, put you right back into that scenario.Yeah, it is.It does send you almost like you've had a car.it is the similar feeling.They're all shaky.I mean, it's, oh, the lady who had the,I've got a name memory block tonight.Cindy Dozen, is it?
52:19The lady got chased by the big foot to a car.Okay, okay.She, I interviewed, I had just coffee with her at the Saskatch Summit.And I saw it was always that she really, or is it?And I started chatting with her,and the legs and the chin starts shaking.Oh.And I said, you got really traumatized by that.
52:37And she said, yeah, I got really traumatized by it.You could tell she was recounting a real event because she was like reliving the dormer and she was shaking.And I'm like, ooh, yeah.I think there's a good lesson there that when we're interviewing witnesses, we have to be very empathetic to what they've gone through.Oh, yeah.And to be able to connect with them.And people with a rock phone.Yeah.
53:03With a rock phone, people said, why do you stay there and get a shot?And it was like, it could have been killed.Yeah, totally.massive.Of that one rocket hit us, it would have snapped your leg.The force it was thrown.You hit your head.You would have had your cult school cracks apart.
53:19And you were so close to it.And we realised this thing was probably four or five feet away.It would have just ripped you apart if it had come out.And I think people say, you know, Bigfoot's potentially friendly,but they're also potentially, if it's an eight,guerrillas, you have to really watch yourself.And they're in a mountain gorilla can rip their arm off just like that.What can a big foot do?
53:41Because they might say...I know, right.You have to be really careful with things.It could be partly man, but it's also a wild animal.And I think the obituation stuff's quite good, because it's got a choice then.It can come up to you.And I think that's a lot safer.But I think going into the territory, especially if you've got young, things will attack.
54:03So you've got to be careful.And humans will attack if they're younger threatened.So I think we all...Sure, yeah.You've got to be careful when that's involved.What, in your opinion, is Bigfoot?I think it looked very similar.It's probably in a bold hominid.
54:22It looked very similar to the homo habilis to me.It wasn't anywhere near in the adult.It wasn't as primitive.I wouldn't have thought it was Australopitheca.But it was like somewhere in between, I would say.I wouldn't, the gigantipithecus, the pictures, reconstructions,it's quite ape-like.It wasn't as ape-like.
54:41It was a lot more, it was a bit like a cross treein a human and an ape.You could see characteristics of an ape,but you could also see early man characteristics.Sure.And I think the Sierra sounds,I know people who've heard those.Yeah.
54:56John Hammer, I know,from the Beafarrow friend of mine,he was out campingand he actually had somethingwhacked the side of his truck really high.And then he heard them,and his dog was terrified.What was that name again?
55:09John Hammer.Okay, because I've heard a similar story from a gentleman, Alabama.That's how that happened too.He didn't believe it.And it's difficult until he heard them.And they said exactly the description and what we hear on the tapes.Wow.Exactly look that.
55:27Oh, that would freak me out.Yeah.Yeah.I've heard the whoops as well.I've heard those.Oh, that would be cool.Yeah.Yeah.
55:35Yeah.be able to record.Did you ever get anything, any sounds on tape?Or is it thing where it just happened?And usually there's not the recording.I know of the time it happened.I tried to record, I think, when I was at Tom Contrails,but they were just too far away, really.
55:50I got you.You can hear them, but your sound recordedjust wasn't picking them off.I possibly got, it's a lot of it's finding.I do, I want somebody who just loves going through data for hoursand it's willing to sit there.I occasionally managed to get stuff out,but it's having the time, isn't it?
56:07I've done it with ghost stuff,but it's not a lot of these things.You've got to sit there for hours and hours.We have got people in the CF said who love doing that.We sometimes hand them stuff,but it's having that patient.On the time, if you're working as well.I have got to really get on a,
56:22get created website, really,and put this stuff up, I think.It sounds like almost a thing,like David Ellis from the Olympic projectin the Pacific Northwest.He's the sound guy who's like,he's just pouring through.Everything looking at the...
56:36Yeah, David's office to do stuff with me.Yeah.Yeah, he's really good.Totally.Analysis.Yeah.He's probably the top guy, I would say.Is Mothman good or something else?
56:48Do you have any thoughts on Mothman?I'm not too sure about Mothman.I would say you've got the Jersey Devil.I think that was probably a crane.I'm quite frank, but my theory had...It was also a political dig, wasn't it?Somebody a lot of it.Oh, yeah.
57:04I think the Mothman...I don't know, really. It's bizarre.I think the brain can create some amazing stuff.Sure.It can really, and I think the CF said, John Downs and Richard Freeman,there's the global monster template.They've looked into the idea that we've got these genetic memories.There were things in the brass that used to attack us.
57:26Because they, like, with big cats.We do get, it's another thing I've been into big cats as well in England,looking for them.but they also showed, a researcher showed,a bleating black shape to kids in Berlin.It would very unlikely to see a wild black catand kids in the Amazon basinwhere they could see jaguars, whatever,
57:47and they were equally likely to interpret this shapeas a big black cat.Is it genetic memory?We can recognize spiders,we can recognize snakes,and there's evidence that's a genetic memory,but is their genetic memory,other things that were perhaps other,
58:02large apes that preyed on us or flying animals.That's been brought up in an interview just the other day, actually,that same exact notion.Yeah.And I'm sure Richard will expand on that with you.But sometimes these misinterpretations are things.I think it's a shame in the big foot field.People jump to conclusions.
58:22They see a shape.It's a big foot.And it doesn't do.It's better to just hold back unless you've got something really goodbecause it's giving the field a bad reputation.I don't think scientists take it seriously because of that.I think it's great to offer stuff and to get it debunked,but I think people need to get something really good before they show it.
58:42I think it's a difficult one, isn't it?One the other day, me and a couple of people on a site,quickly debunked it's a porcupine up a tree.Now, I'm not even American, and I could tell it was a porcupine up a tree.I'm not used to seeing porcupine up trees, but it can figure it out.Yeah.Yeah, I think people just need to be a bit.They get excited, I think.
59:01think that's the thing they get.I think that's the thing.Yeah, they get extremely excited and you're not thinking logically.And yeah, I agree.Yeah, enthusiasm's great, but you need to hold back a bit.Yeah.Are we, and I don't know if this is just the US thing, so we'll see if it lands or not.Are we concerned enough about Dogman?
59:21Or do you have any thoughts about that?I did give a talk a while back on Dogman.I'm also in an association for study of anomalous phenomena, which is like a scientificgroup and I did get I'm pretty sure I didn't realize Pat Spain PNC bank brings you call the wildmoney moves you hear that that's an internet troll telling you to put all your money into a singleinvestment he wants you to liquidate your emergency fund yolo and buy a digital racehorse namedsilicon steve yo lo stay vigilant he's very persistentYOLO!
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01:00:46have the virus that cause a Culebrilla.Although not all those people in riskwill be developed,I see the eruption dolorousa with ampollososduring that even the tasks more simpleare all a retort,not learn about the culebrillato the way difficult.
01:01:02I've come up with your doctor or pharmaceutical,patrocinoed by GSK.I'd come up with this theorythat it was actually a bear with mange,and I independently came up with that.Wow.And then Pat had come up with it as well.And that Pat had got even,
01:01:17because he's a zoologist, a biologist,he'd actually realized as wellthat it was seeing it eating something like that.And of course bears do that,not anything wolf-like.So that was even more.I thought, oh, God, yeah, that's dead on.I think a lot of the time,
01:01:31And they look bizarre.They look, they've really lost their fatbecause a lot of a bear is fat.When they lose that fat and they're really scrawny with mange,that he's suddenly, a lot of them's fur as well.You've got this real dog-like.And they are dogs and bears come from the same evolutionary line.We can understand.
01:01:48But you see them, they look like a werewolf.They look really unusual.You said the gentleman's name is Pat Spain.Yeah, he's the guy who did the, is it Beast Man series?Cutsatiology, yeah.Okay.He's Charles Fort's great nephew.Oh, that's cool.
01:02:05I had a chat with him on the internet.It was great.He's one of our 1014 zoology.Richard Freeman's one of a guide Sahar.He sadly died.And I randomly contacted Pat,because Pat had used this guide,not expecting a response and got a really long email back saying,
01:02:22oh, you're from the Fort Sensorology.Cool.And telling me all about Pat that he was Charles Ford's great nephewand how they've got some of chartful stuff at home.Oh, man.Yeah, they'd a really good sort of chat with him on the internet.That is sweet.Yeah.
01:02:39I love that.I got a few emails talking about it, yeah.Oh, that's cool.What do you think the possibility of living dinosaurs are?I think the McCallember Bembe and the other ones in Africa,I think a lot of the time they're mistaken elephants because certain people who do them,certain tribes wouldn't be used to.they don't particularly go to certain areas.
01:03:02And I think they're often elephants swimmingbecause you've got the head coming up.I think Pat Spain as well thought that one.And I think that's a highly likely theory.But again, I've been to the,it was then Zaire, it's now the Congo,the massive area, loads of it.You can't even get through very thick forest.
01:03:23And there's a possibility, yeah.I think there's definitely a possibility.You know, there's one paying the tribe etitand then they all died, almost all died.A lot of that flesh is quite toxic.That would be consistent with thatand get really bad salmonella off it.So there's a little bit of evidence there,
01:03:41but I don't know.I think as well some of these areas,they're very poor.And if you get somebody coming in saying,can you show us this?There's also a cultural thing in Africa.So they want to please.They'll say yes to please you
01:03:57because they don't want you to have a bad time.I came up of this.I had one point when I said to a guide,is that snake not poisonous?She said, oh, yes.And then I had a massively poisonous snake crawl across my shoe.No way.This black snake.
01:04:14And I found it afterwards, it was like a really poisonous one.So you just have to ask.It's a cultural thing.It's trying to please.You can't ask any yes or no questions ever.Yeah, that's it.It's a cultural thing.They're trying to make sure you help your time.
01:04:29So I say, yeah, fine.But it's a few.How poisonous.They have to watch out for.Yeah.How poisonous is a snake?Zero percent.Great.
01:04:38Let's go.Yeah, that's it.Yeah.I think with anything, you have to get to know the culture, really.And understand the cultural nuances as well when you go out anywhere to check why.You might say something.They just try to please you.And that that does happen in a few areas of the,
01:04:57world as well. Yeah. Wow. Lastly, what do you consider the top evidence for Bigfoot?Obviously, I know it exists because I've seen it myself. There you go. I think the footprintsare very good evidence. The fact they've got dermal ridges. I don't think, because I knewProfessor Brian Sykes, who sadly passed away recently. Oh, yeah, exactly. And we worked with him and theCF said he very much believed there was a program actually Bigfoot files that was done with him in it.and they edited it in a way to imply he didn't believe it and he wasn't happy about it.That is absolute garbage.He really does.
01:05:33Yeah, I was really upset because they edited it in a way to imply he didn't believe in it and he really does.But he basically said unfortunately a lot, things like Melbourne Catchens DNA, there's a lot of evidence.It was corrupted by human DNA.It's actually very difficult.Brian's done some very good techniques with other people for removing the corrupted stuff and washing it,as it were to try to remove the corrupted, but it's so easy to contaminate it with human DNA.And I think this is likely what a lot of people are seeing.He writes about this, and I think it's called the last Neanderthal in the U.S.
01:06:09It was called, The Book was called The Nature of the Beast in the UK.But besides some of the legal connotations, they change the name in America.Yeah.But it talks about it there, but I think it's very easy to get it corrupted,and you've got to know what you're doing when you collect it.Jackie, this has been super, super fascinating.This has been amazing.Thank you so much for chatting tonight.
01:06:32Yeah, thank you.I can get you know all the names tonight.Hey, it's enough for me to look up stuff, so that's fine with me.Yeah, this is cool.If it sounds, there's definitely maybe some, maybe future things coming.Are you putting out things currently to do with cryptozoology?It sounds like you've, you have in the past, at least in Richard Freeman's book, you can read stuff.anything else that people can keep up to date with what you're doing.
01:06:59I always ask that.I am going to have probably a bit more time soon.I probably will do a website really.So I'm hoping to do that.I'll let you know when not up really.And as I said, I keep getting nagged to do this book.So I might have a bit more tight soon.Yeah, totally.
01:07:17Oh, that's cool.Definitely.Jackie, thanks so much for hanging out.Any last words or if not, I think we're good.to go. Yeah, I think we ideally need to get evidence for Bigfoot and I don't think it's thatwith the forests it's in. I don't think it's that much in danger. It's not like an owl with a nestthat gets knocked down. I think the forestry protects it, to be quite frank. I think thoughI'm definitely not an advocate for shooting it. I think you can get other evidence. I think
01:07:47it's any animal. I think I don't agree with shooting to get specimens to prove for science. I thinkthere's other ways you can do it.And I think wildlife cameraman, they're probably the best people.I spoke to some top wildlife cameramen who are quite interested in it.And I think that's the answer, isn't it?It's get, don't use autofocus cameras.They can't cope in the woods.Try to get manual focus cameras and try to.
01:08:15The obituation seems to be the answer.I think people are starting to get quite good results with abituating,which is what they did with the mountain gorillas.Wow.That's very interesting.Oh, man.There's a lot to unpack from this episode.Thank you.
01:08:30This has been a pleasure.Let me know if I can ever help in any way in the futurewith future publications or anything.But thank you so much for coming on, Jackie.Yeah, great.Thanks very much.I just want to take a few minutes to say thank you to you,all my listeners, for listening to the podcast.
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