Bigfoot Society - Anthropologist Encounters Sasquatch on Maryland’s Seneca Creek Ridge and Faces Pure Terror

Episode Date: December 3, 2025

Anthropologist Kenny Joholske joins Bigfoot Society to share two of the most intense and well-documented Sasquatch encountersever recorded. His first experience takes place along Seneca Creek near Black Rock Mill in Maryland, where he comes face-to-face with multiple Bigfoot on a remote ridge line. From chilling nighttime vocalizations, rock-throwing, and circling behavior to an eerie clicking language, Kenny recounts a terrifying night that changed his understanding of Sasquatch forever.His second encounter unfolds in Harrison, British Columbia, near Sasquatch Provincial Park, where a massive figure is caught on thermal imaging—an event witnessed by multiple people and backed by casted tracks.In this episode, we explore Kenny’s unique perspective as a trained anthropologist, diving into Sasquatch behavior, social structure, evolutionary theories, and cultural significance across North America. Whether you’re a Bigfoot researcher, outdoor enthusiast, or cryptid fan, this deep-dive into real Bigfoot encounters, field evidence, and scientific interpretation is one you won’t forget.Resources: Contact Kenny:[e-mail]🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to [e-mail] – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn MoreLMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNTOrganic and non-GMO groceries delivered for lesshttp://thrv.me/uarEhS🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072

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So stay with us. All right, Bigfoot Society, you've got the privilege of talking to Kenny Jihulski today. Kenny is a trained anthropologist who's had experience with Bigfoot in the past. It's a pleasure to have Kenny on the show. How's it going today, sir? Thank you, Jeremiah. Thank you for having me on. Absolutely. It is going to be, I feel from what I know so far is going to be a very interesting conversation, get your viewpoint about things because of your background. But Kenny, let's get right into it. What side of the country are we starting with in our conversation today? We're going to start. My first encounter happened in October of 2014. in Maryland, along a ridge line where the Seneca River meets, or Seneca Creek, meets the monocacy.

And it was a part of an area known as the Black Rock Mill Quarry, which is also a historic property and protected wildlife refuge in Maryland. And I'll set you off by how this all happened. Several years prior to this, I was in this area hiking and noticed some very strange structure. tree bends and things that I could not identify. And as I began hiking in this area more and more and chatting with some indigenous friends about what I was seeing, they were recommending that this could be an area

of where there's Sasquatch activity. So initially I was very skeptical of this, but I began to continue to hike this area, to very beautiful area. And on this particular evening in October, I decided to go for a late afternoon hike, and then it turned into sort of a night adventure, because what ended up happening is I did have some basic camping equipment with me, but no tent. So I basically had what would be like a bed roll.

And so in this area where I decided to hike, prior to that, I had seen tracks. I had heard howls and whistles. And in one afternoon, I was hiking in this area, and a tree was pushed down. from a ridge line above me, down, facing me, coming down the ridge. And I was able to scoot up the ridge quick enough to see that the tree, which was a juvenile, a small tree,

it wasn't an elderly tree or a sick tree that would have fallen on its own accord. You could actually see where it had been split, bent, and it deliberately pushed down. Whatever had done that was gone. And I saw no footprints. One of the things about the Maryland topography and soil in this area is it's highly acidic and there's a lot of dense leaf litter. So footprints are in general hard to come by.

So when you do come by them, they stand out. And so I had seen an area where there was a lot of mud going up this one ridge and there was very distinct footprints that were not human. and there were the spang of the toes and the widths and breadth of the footprint and the depth of the footprint was not human. And it was going up this ridge, and I only saw two of them. I had no casting material with me, which was my unfortunate error. But as time went on, I began to hike more in this area, and it can get very remote. And this afternoon in October where I was there, I come in up this trail. I park my car in the parking lot by the Forest Preserve.

And I began walking. And as I'm walking up the trail, it begins to ascend in elevation. I'm walking up this trail and I'm going up to an area where I picked out a ridge line where I would be where I would sit for the evening. Now, to paint a picture of this, the ridge line where I'm at is about 75 to 80 feet above the creek, and it just falls right out. So there's no, once you're there in this particular part of the ridge,

you're up against a wall. So there's no leaving the area once you're there, and you could trip, you could fall, you could hurt yourself, and I'll explain why this becomes significant later in the story. So I'm going up the ridge line, And as I'm going up the ridge line, to my left and to my right, I feel like I'm being paced or that there's somebody following me. And so I stopped, and as I stopped, it stopped on both left and right side. And as I'm climbing up this elevation, there are these, the trees become pines.

So they become like this deciduous forest. And it's very thick. The tree foliage becomes very dense and dark. And of course, as I'm going up this ridge, the light is fading. So there is no real, the light's coming to a dim. And so I was wanting to get to where I was going to be camping. I'm going up the elevation of this. And it's ascending and going up and ascending. And I quickly turn to my left and I hear like a snap of branches, expecting to see a person to, so the middle of the ridge line, the pathway, there's a ridge above me and then below me as the creek. So I turned to what would be my left and I look up where I'm hearing the snap break and right in front of me is a seven and a half foot tall gray Sasquatch with a grin of blocked teeth grinning at me. And I look up at it, of course, I'm completely shocked. And it then moved. And it then moved.

moves to my left a little bit, and as I look down coming up from the base of the creek towards me is a much larger, darker creature that, and of course the light is faded. So this larger creature is completely in profile and shadowed out so I don't see its face, but I do see it's immense structure, it's immense stature. And it's coming up the creek bed towards me, and this thing is much more resemblance of the Patterson Gimlin creature, as far as height and size and width goes. The one above me, so the one above me was much more lanky,

and to me, I'm only making an assumption as to what it could be as far as its age, but to me it looked like it was a juvenile. So it was like, and once I turned to look to my left to see where this creature it was, and it had moved off behind the bush line,

the one below me, then moved behind the thicker, bush line. So I'm entering the evening, having seen two of these creatures. I go up to the upper ridge where I'm going to be camped and put my stuff down. I'm completely white, and I'm a type one diabetic. My heart's racing. I feel my blood sugar's dropping, and I'm like, when you have a shock like that, you start to shake. And so I'm sitting down on the ground, and I immediately realize that it's now completely dark. And so I'm not in any way able to really leave this area without my fear would be that I would fall or that I would not be able to get back because I hikes quite a bit

in to get there. So as this is going on, I'm setting up my camp, I'm drinking water, I'm trying to get myself together, was thinking about completely leaving at that point. but as all this is going on, this is where it gets very interesting. The way Seneca Creek works, it's almost like a holler or a hollowed area where the creek is surrounded by these ridges, which then lead to out to the Monocacy River. And so this was at the widest point of the Seneca Creek. So the creek, the way the creek was running, I could hear other creatures echoing down calling and calling to each other from up and down the creek. And there was an echoing of

larger, which to me sounded like larger individuals. And the sound was like, was this giant echo going back and forth up and down. And I could hear several of these individuals, which to me sounded like there was more than the two that I saw. And they kept calling back and forth. And what was really horrifying was having hiked this area previously, trying to figure out where these these calls were coming from, and what part of the creekway it was coming from, to my very far left down the ridge where I was at, there was the most blood-curdling scream.

It sounded like a woman being stabbed. And this went on, it just froze my blood cold. And I sat there and I never got a glimpse of what that was. although I could hear it. And throughout the evening and throughout the night, this particular Sasquatch continued to make that awful howling sound.

While there were others that were equally, that were going back and forth, and the sound of the calls kept getting closer and closer, which is why I didn't leave. I stayed where I was at. And understand, while all this is going on, it was happening so quickly, the only thing I could explain it as if I were being surrounded and being watched.

So the elevation of where my little ridgeline camp site was, I could hear the sounds of the callings getting closer and closer. And I sat there and began to, I was waiting for either one of them to step out of the bush. But the rest of the evening, when all this was going on, I never, they never came out of the wood line. I could see eye shine. At parts of the night, they were throwing rocks and tossing stones at me. But the most extraordinary thing, two things happened that night that really stood out as being the most interesting looking back. One of which was throughout the evening, these creatures continued to make their presence known vocally

or through tossing rocks or screaming. But the most amazing thing was one of them would break from the group and run circles around the ridge that I was on. So the ridge line that I was on was right above a smaller ridge below me. So think of like a bluff with a circle on top of a circle.

So this thing, one of these things would run and begin to run circles around it. Now, I was above where they were running, so I could hear them run but not see them. So this went on and then it would stop. And I would sit there and then another one would do it. It would do it and it was going on sporadically. All the while the calls from the down the creek up and down continued

and then they moved up closer to the ridge where I was at. And to me would have felt like was my position was being triangulated. Obviously, they knew where I was at. And what I felt very much so was that I was invading their territory or completely unwelcomed. This was unexpected. And so the most disheartening thing about my entire experience is I did not have equipment with me. I did not have the proper gear with me to record this. So this is all anecdotal.

Still life-changing and terrifying. But very much an experience. that when this was going on, and throughout, I'm trying to give you a time frame, this wasn't like a five-minute encounter or a 20-minute encounter. This went on for several hours, and I was unable to leave because if I had gotten up with the fear that was going on and with these creatures around me, I was afraid if I got on to the pathway, which was very narrow going to go back down the ridge towards where I was parked, that I would have fallen. and hurt myself. I was trapped in this area as all this was going on. And so then the second

most extraordinary thing happened. And from an anthropological perspective, I kept this to myself for a very long until several years later when I heard an interview with another Bigfoot eyewitness on a podcast where they describe very similar vocalizations. So, So about midway through all of this, two, which sounded like two individuals came down the ridge right next to where I was camp. Now, it's completely blacked out. I don't have a fire going, it's a cold camp. So I have no fire going on. There's no lights. So we're in a dense forest. I'm trying to give you the mental picture of what this would be like. So these two individuals come down the ridge near me.

I can hear their footsteps and they stop. But what begins to happen is this. These two individuals begin to click, talk to each other. So I'm talking like, but a much higher rate, and they're going back and forth, clicking to each other back and forth, at a very high rate of speed. Now, what makes this very significant,

And in my mind, as this is what happened, I was completely blown away. But in my mind, when I'm familiar with this, is this occurs in human language. So the Hansa people of Africa, the Sons people, or the Kholahari, all use politely and lateral cliques between their phonemics, between their and their language. In human language, and even in the Athabascan native languages, they will use, you'll hear click sounds and things in between the words. And this occurs in several languages throughout the world. It's very rare, but it does occur. I have type 2 diabetes, but I manage it well. It's a little bill with the big story to tell.

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So that immediately grew my attention. But so imagine that with no phonemes, with no words, with no sounds other than the clicking. And to me, it was like a language and they were going back and forth at a very high rate. And then it stopped. It completely stopped. And then I could hear them walking away. This went on for about five or six minutes. But I sat there listening to this completely.

completely blown away by this. And with an understanding that what I was hearing was not human. And the rate of speed of the clicking going back and forth between these two individuals was as such a way that it was almost as if that in itself was a language. And I had never, ever heard this before. And when this happened, I talked to some friends about it and was trying to bounce ideas off of my friends about what exactly could this be. And I kept this to myself. I never told, when I talk about the soft squash encounters, the howling, the grunting, the rocks growing, things like that. But it wasn't until several years later, I was listening to another podcast and an individual began to describe this clicking language going on. And I totally.

dropped my pen out of my hand or I was completely blown away by this because I'd never ever heard anyone else mention this now more and more people talk about this but back in 2014 when this was happening I had never heard of this and it completely blew me away and originally I'm thinking to myself are these humans is somebody just trying to scare me out of here and it was like but I knew that wasn't the case because I had seen these two individuals earlier in the day that completely scared me to death. I was unprepared. I tell people, you want to see a Sasquatch,

you want to find a Sasquatch, be prepared for what you could see. Because I think a lot of people aren't. And when you have Class A encounter or visual encounter with these creatures, whether it be close or far away, it can be stunning. That's extremely intense.

I've just been listening this whole time. You had definitely a few questions for you. The two main sightings at the beginning, the one to your left and the one down at the creek, how far away from you were both of those? My estimation, the one, what I'm going to call the juvenile gray, white one, which is right above the ridge above me, was no more than about 85 feet for me. The one coming up the ridge line was maybe, maybe 200. to 300 feet for me.

So we're talking close. And what I found terrifying and scary the whole time this was going on is when you're seeing this, your mind is not comprehending what you're seeing. And I was, at one point, felt like I was going to black out from this. And being on a ridge that high up

and then having to go up another incline to get to where my camp site was. This was absolutely not something I was expecting. And when you have, when you have these experiences, unfortunately, I did not have any equipment with me. And I could, when I've talked about my setting with people, they're like, did you have a camera with you? Did you have a video camera? Did you? And I'm like, no, I didn't. I was not, this was not something I was anticipating. And, but it was life altering for me, because it was, for me, a vindication of the fact that I've always suspected that these creatures were real,

and having seen the evidence in my little research area that this happened. Now, also keep in mind that along this ridge line about a mile to my north, less than a mile to my north, was a farmstead that was adjacent to the ridge that had a huge cornfield, and they were growing tomatoes and other vegetables that a vegetable garden, but it was like a corn field that backed up to the ridge. So my thought was maybe these creatures, and it being October, and this is when people are harvesting corn, and they're harvesting for the winter. I was very curious, were these creatures there because of the food resources? Because this area, Black Rock Mill, has an abundance of deer, has an abundance of fish.

And then you have these outlying farms that have corn and other food resources. obviously there's an abundance of things for them to eat. So maybe I was just at the right time, at the right place when all this happened. Because I wasn't when I initially went into do this hike, was not anticipating to have an encounter like this. Whereas prior, I had a tree that pushed down. The tree pushing down in front of me was extraordinary. And one time along one of the ridges that I was hiking one day, I was grunted at. by one of these creatures,

and I kept looking where the grunting was coming from, and I couldn't see where it was coming from. I could hear the direction, but there was a divot along the base of the ridge where it may have been laying down and grunting at me that I couldn't see, because these creatures, for whatever reason, they have an agility to not only hide,

but their running ability, and the very fact that this creature was running, in circles around the base of where I was at at such a high rate, it was like listening to a deer run. You know, I mean, that is how quick it was, and then it would stop, and then it would do it again. But this is bipedal running, not quadrupedal running, this was bipedal running.

And it was just, and then to interspersed this, as this was going on, there was also vocalizations, coming up and down the creek bed, the creek, I want to call it like a holler, but it's very steep the way the creek, runs. And so the echoing effect was that was in itself fascinating but chilling at the time. In retrospect, looking back at this experience and everything that was going on, it was something that was terribly, you don't know how to respond emotionally to this. And unfortunately,

again, this way did not have equipment with me. So I'm very much, this is an experience that will definitely change me. But what I've also realized is that these creatures must have a complex social organization because just the two that I saw, and then they were joined by their friends later in the evening coming up the ridge. And they were obviously curious about my presence. They never injured me. They obviously had multiple opportunities to charge me, to injure me. there were a few times at night where I was, I had my bed roll laid out. So imagine there's no tent going on here. So I've got like a makeshift bedroll against a tree. And there are these high trees, they're like juniper trees with mountain laurel growing around it. So they were about

seven to eight feet in height. And they were in front of me like a curtain, like a stage curtain, imagine. And throughout the night, I would look up. And around the seven to eight, feet level, I saw two eyeshine, milky white eyeshines looking down at me, and I would look up, and then they would blink their eyes, and if they blink their eyes, they were gone. At one point in the night, I had to get up and relieve myself. So I'm walking, so if you can imagine this ridge line has smaller hills adjacent to it, going down towards the creek. So I went to my right to go relieve myself. And as I look to my left, right near my camp,

I look and I see these large, circled eyes at around the seven to eight feet level, looking down at me again from behind this mountain laurel tree, bush tree area. And then I look over at it and it closes its eyes. And it's gone. I'm like, and so I look back over and then I slowly turn back and walk back to where my bed roll is and my makeshift camp, which was essentially a backpack and a walking stick. I think I may have had a pocket knife on me, a Swiss Army. I had no firearms. I'm in Maryland.

We don't really have them as far as your ability to carry, conceal carry, whatever, open carry. So I had no protection. So this is one of the reasons why, you know, I tell people when you're out in the woods, I don't know if they're aware enough to know what firearms are. I think they are. But it's like I was never hurt. I was never injured. I was scared.

I'm pretty sure they tried to scare me. Obviously, I feel like I was in the wrong place or they were trying to hunt. And maybe I interrupted their ability to hunt. But this is something that I will never forget this encounter my entire life. and having shared it with a handful of people. But this is something that immediately, when I'm going as an after effect of all of this, I'm thinking to myself,

what is it that these creatures are and what is their level of social organization? Because ultimately, these creatures have probably been going through this area for decades. I have no idea for a long time, for this to be a base for them of some form, And maybe they're seasonally gathering and hunting in this area. Maryland, where I live currently, I'm in what's called the Piedmont region. So if you go on a map and you look at the Appalachian Mountains, the Sugarloaf region,

the Piedmont region of the Appalachian Mountains sits right here in the area of Maryland that I live in, and it has one of the largest courts deposits of all of the Appalachian Mountains. And so the indigenous peoples would come here and quarry their courts to make their arrowheads. So it's always been a settled, it's always been an active area as far as native peoples. And then during the colonial period, I've actually done archaeology in this area. So I know the history of what goes on, what is going on historically in this area. But what's intriguing is that the Piedmont, if you go from where I was camped and had my sighting, and you follow it north, the monocacy, as you're going into Pennsylvania, the Susquehanna River,

and you keep going north into Pennsylvania, and you can actually pick up. If you go the C&O Canal, which is a part of this region, the C&O Canal actually runs from Washington, D.C., all the way to where I'm at, where there's a place called Edwards Ferry, you can pick up the C&O Canal, take that to point of rocks in Maryland. And then from there, the Appalachian Trail goes all the way up to Maine, to the White Mountains of Maine. So you literally could walk from Washington, D.C.,

to the White Mountains of Maine, and never see a person and never get on a road. And so this is what's fascinating about this area, yeah. And so I'm of the opinion that these creatures use this as a byway. Maybe I was at the right time, at the right place, for this to intersect. But literally, there have always been sightings along the Appalachian Trail. I think there's actually an organization that tracks Bickfoot sightings along the Appalachian Trail.

That's what they do. And I'm often wondering if this is what's going on is that they're using these natural resource corridors that actually run from where I'm at in the lower Piedmonts through the sugarloaf all the way through the Susquehont into Pennsylvania. Or they're just taking the Appalachian Trail all the way up to the Maine. And there's plenty of sightings between Pennsylvania going into, of course, upstate New York, the Adirondack Mountains, the Algon, this whole area into into the main regions and down back and forth. I did my field work in upstate New York. So I'm very familiar with Western New York. And having been there and having been in very remote regions in Western New York, this is, there is plenty of, there is plenty of

on the East Coast to cover these creatures. And of course, in Northern Maryland, central to Northern Maryland, there have been sightings for decades in this area. This is, it did just blow in my mind. So a real world example for listeners, so the juvenile that he was able to see 85 feet away, a real world example that would be like the size of a full-sized swimming pool. So it's really not that long a distance,

which is incredible to see it that close. To ask you about that a bit, so what you were seeing had no clothes on it at all, correct? This was hair covered. Like I said, it was lanky. It was not robust. It was very lanky, and it was white, gray, and color.

But what was striking was I could see some of the facial features and the eyes were dark, the brow ridge and the zagomatic arches, which is the cheek under where the cheekbones are, were sunken and swollen, I should say sunken in, and where the lower jaw meets, the lower jaw was a little bit protruding. The nose was flat than a human nose. It was a little bit flatter than ours. It wasn't projecting. And it grimaced at me. And when it grimaced, it showed its teeth and they were blocked. They were blocked like teeth. Did not see canines in this individual. And it was like grimacing. I was not smiling, but grimacing. And I don't know if it was a shock

response to seeing me or if it was a threat response, which in primates, usually you would see the canines. But this was to me a grimace that I could see its teeth. And then I heard the individual below me coming up from the creek bed so the trail was in the middle so there was a ridge above and then below coming up just to give it some perspective i have type 2 diabetes but i manage it well it's a little bill with the big story to tell i take once daily jardians at each day start and for adults with type 2 diabetes and known heart disease jardians can lower the risk of cardiovascular death too prescription jardians Empiglphlozin, 10 or 25 milligram tablets, are used to lower blood sugar along with diet and exercise and adults with type 2 diabetes.

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And then this other aspect happened. And I've contemplated going back. This experience was so altering for me that to try and put it into words, and I've, I've tried to articulate my experience is the best way I can to give as much detail because really, I really need a forensic sketch artist to come and sketch what I saw because I can, like this happened in 2014, I literally could, if somebody, I could draw, they could draw it if I described it for them, the facial features of the juvenile and how I saw them in the grimace and the teeth. And I saw it long enough to be able to make a very,

good sighting of it. And it was really, you know, your mind just, you can't wrap your mind around it. And it did not, neither of these creatures during this encounter vocalized at me. They didn't hoot. They didn't scream. It was a very interesting encounter with no vocalization. It wasn't like they roared at me to get me off the trail. They looked at me and they just moved into the bush. and the fact that the one coming up the ridge, I later went back to make a comparison to the tree that it was standing next to, and it was well over eight feet. This creature was well over eight feet tall,

and that one, I'm assuming and making the assumption, that it was a much older creature, was a more mature creature. It was the shoulders on this thing were massive. And the only comparison I can give it to is if you've seen the Patterson Gimlin footage, which most people have, and the massiveness of patty shoulders, that was the size of this creature. And that was massiveness of this creature.

I'm making the assumption that it was a juvenile and that the one coming up was an older adult. But then there's this whole concept of sexual dimorphism. Do these creatures have extreme sexual dimorphism between male and females? And so that also is a whole other evolutionary question about what these creatures could be. I have some ideas. I'm actually currently working on a theory about what would explain the divergent appearances of these Sasquatch around the United States and in Canada and why they're so behaviorally aggressive in certain parts of the United States and not in others.

So I'm working on a theoretical model currently using microevolutionary theory to explain this. And so it'll eventually become a paper, but I really want the application of science to apply to this. And that includes my saying, although I was terrified and thought I was going to black out and believe me, I'm a type 1 diabetic.

And so I felt as if my blood sugars were dropping. So I had food in my backpack, thank God. I thought that I was just going to lose it. Oh my goodness. So one to the side, I would recommend you reach out to a lady,

her name is Sabilla Irwin, and I believe you know who she is. Yeah. Okay, cool. So yeah, she's your best. bet for something like that who would be able to draw what you saw. I would recommend talking to her. Also, so you have so much knowledge when it comes to what different human ancestors, different types of apes look like, I would imagine. What you saw in the face of the juvenile,

did it ring a bell in your knowledge base of anything else? Did it come close to anything? Interestingly enough, looking at the robustness of the skull as far as its facial features go and looking at the creature that, of course, I only saw in profile coming up. To me, this is just my assessment. I've often said this. The fact that these creatures have spent their entire evolutionary history avoiding humans are only having close encounters with us. And usually among First Nation and indigenous peoples,

When we go into the Pacific Northwest and we look at the Kwakua the Ku Klutal people, these are the people we get the appearance of Xennaqua from. And this is on the totems, they actually have a clan, the Hamatsa, which are a Shamanic clan, among the Xennaqua clan, which is where we get the open oval mouth of the Bigfoot, the Sasquatch. They have a ceremonial and ritual complex centered entirely around these creatures. And to me, the fact that there is a going up back and forth between cultural complexes and then interactions with Western European peoples throughout Canada and throughout the United States, to me, these creatures are probably a form of relicomede of what variety is of still of debate. I'm not a big camp believer in the gigantic epithecine. I think a lot of that has fallen out.

I don't think that we still are arguing whether gigantic antipithecus, blackie was actually bipedal. We knew that they were large and enormous, but we only have roughly several hundred teeth and the reconstruction of a lower mandible from these creatures from excavations and China. And von Konigsvold, who was the Ralph Von Koningsvold, who was the anthropologist that discovered the giganticopithecisian teeth prior to World War II before the Japanese invasions. invasion into what was called Indochina then. Koeningswald was working at the School of Medicine in Beijing, and he was an anthropologist there, and they would go to apothecaries and look at fossil teeth, and he began to see these fossil teeth and collecting them and recognizing they were from species and undescribed species. I could go on and on about evolutionary anthropology and how this, because there's so much about these creatures that are intriguing enough, but to me, in my opinion,

and this is just in my academic opinion. And that is that we're probably dealing with a relic hominid and not an anthropoid, whereas Giggenopithecus was an anthropoid, was a giant anthropoid. Although, as a side note, there was a German anatomist named Franz Weirenrake, and he examined the same teeth that Konigswald did. And in his assessment, Giggenopithecus was of a hominidic. form, a giant hominid form that was bipedal. Now, Howie came up with this assessment from examining the same fossil material that Konigswald did is interesting, but they both published papers. And

Koningswald's paper is available, and Vaitenrika's paper is available. And they came to two separate conclusions from examining the same fossil material. I'm going to just make the basic assessment here that what we're dealing with is probably more than likely a co-evolved relicominin that has lived alongside modern humans. Now, keep this in mind, too. We have never, in our evolutionary history as homo sapiens, we have only in the late Holocene period, the modern period, been alone as a species, supposedly.

And I put that in big quotation marks. because throughout our history, we've always had our hominid cousins living alongside us. Homo erectus, the now describe denisavans or Denisovans, however you're going to pronounce it, Denisovans, I say Denisovans, which we do have some fossil remains from,

but we don't have a lot. But the fact that we're pushing back the calendar on the evolution of humans, but also pushing it forward into how long they may have continued to survive, because we know the Neanderthalus continued in southern Spain and in Siberia much later into the Pleistocene, and obviously encountered us, modern humans, and bred with us as well. So there was interbreeding going on.

The fact that this was going on for thousands upon thousands of years, from the Pliocene all the way up to the modern halicine to the modern period, that this interaction was going on, all of a sudden say, oh, we're it. And these other, I don't know, these people sing these hairy hominids in Alberta, Canada or Vancouver, these people are crazy. But the fact that they're found all over, southeastern Asia, South Asia. I could do an entire show on relic hominids in Southeast Asia as opposed to Siberia. The fact that these creatures are so widely, diversely seeing, we may be dealing with multiple species. we may be dealing with relic anthropoidal creatures, and we may be dealing with relic hominid creatures

that persist among our modern human populations throughout the world. So there are so many questions around what we call Bigfoot, the Canadians call Sasquatch. I do want to put a little side note in here about the word Sasquatch. So most people may know or may not know that the Stati Loss,

the Shihalas people of Harrison Hot Springs, British Columbia, the Fraser River Valley, where a man named J.W. Byrne, who is the Indian agent for this area, did his research of being collecting these stories. He was actually a school, like a schoolteacher, began collecting these stories and publishing them. And the word Sasquatch comes from the Shihilis, the Stahawai-Loss people, their word for Bigfoot. And it's stuck. And so throughout all of Canada, it's generically known as Sasquatch,

but its origins are the Fraser River, Harrison Hot Springs Valley. Okay. Extremely interesting. It's so much information, my goodness. So I want to make sure that we do have time to talk about your second experience as well. You might if we start moving on to that?

Yeah, absolutely. And I'll go through this. So this is probably a pretty well-known citing at this point, since it did appear in a documentary already. But in January of 2017, I went to visit my friends in Canada and Vancouver. And we decided to take a visit up into Harrison. And I had never been to Harrison before, nor been to the areas that make up what is also known as Sasquatch Provincial Park, which is where Harrison peaks at this area. And so I was, it was there at a weird time of year because it was winter in January in Vancouver and in that

part of Canada, the weather is unpredictable. But so we decided to get in my friend's car and drive from Surrey, Surrey, Canada, which is a suburb of Vancouver, all the way up to Harrison. And as you go into Harrison and you enter into these areas, the elevation picks up, it becomes more remote, but then there's this place called the Sasquatch Inn, which is very famous. And they serve food, they sell books and T-shirts, and we went to visit. And actually, when we were there visiting, they were redesigning the building, so it really wasn't open. But we were there, we were able to go into the gift store and buy a few things and look around and everything, but we didn't eat. So we continued on up to go to, to go into Harrison.

and we stopped off on the way up to the Shahelis Reserve and got a chance to walk around the reserve and talk to some of the locals and visit. And so we continued on, again, this is late afternoon, so the temperature dropped significantly as we began to go into this area. And we got to describe this area of Harrison. As you're going up in elevation, you come to a gate. entrance, which was open at the time. It was off-season, but you enter into what's called Sasquatch Provincial Park. And at the gate, which is a yellow gate, that was open,

we stopped our car, and we were deciding, do we want to go down into the camping area where there's a lake there? And the lake oversees the mountain ridge. And so we were sitting there. There was a light. Light was fading. It was late afternoon. say around 4.30, and we get out of the car to stretch her legs, and we look up the ridge, and there's a ridge right above the yellow gate. And we're looking, and we see this very large, shadow-like figure peeking behind a tree. Now, my friend John, who had never had a Sasquatch encounter, was looking up going, he pulls us all aside and go, what is that?

We're looking up at it, and this thing begins to sway between the tree. And these trees in Harrison, these huge spruce pine trees, they're very thick, they're very wide, and we're looking up, and we're pointing to it, and we're looking at it, and it keeps swaying and looking at us, going in, this peeking, going back and forth. And his wife, Winona, who's a lifelong friend of mine, Winona, looks up and she's native and she's First Nation and she looks up and she does a wave at it like waves at it and this creature raises its right arm and waves back and you can see the string hair coming off of the arm and it lowers its arm back down again and of course at this point we all know what we're

same. And we begin to go up. We leave the roadway and we go climb up the ridge towards where and of course understand the steepness of the ridge. We didn't have climbing equipment and it was, it had rained, I think, the night before, so it was a little slippery. So none of us had any gear with us. So we're trying to make our way up to where the tree line. We finally do. Of course, we don't see any tracks. We don't see anything, but we all saw what we saw. So we come back down the Hill. John calls one of his good friends who's a soft squash creature in Canada and is a member of the British Columbia Cryptosurologic Society, which I'm also a member of. And John calls this guy up. And so he shows up, knows where the location is, shows up. And if you remember back in the day

when the foreign looking infrared, the flur cameras were huge. They're not like, they're very portable now, but back on the end, they were much larger. So this thing was in the bed of his truck, his pickup truck. I have type 2 diabetes, but I manage it well. It's a little pill with the big story to tell. I take once daily Jardians at each day start. And for adults with type 2 diabetes and known heart disease, Jardians can lower the risk of cardiovascular death too.

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your doctor right away if you have nausea, vomiting, stomach pain, tiredness, rash, swelling, trouble breathing or swallowing. Tell your doctor about lightheadedness, weakness, fever, pain, tenderness, redness, or swelling between the anus and genitals. You may have increased risk for lower limb loss. Call your doctor right away if you have new pain or tenderness, sores, ulcers, or infection in your legs or feet. To learn more about Jardians 10 or 25 milligram tablets, ask your doctor, visit Jardians.com or call 1-88-968-6648. All right, quick quiz for the hiring managers out there. What's worse? Being understaffed or being poorly staffed? Well, that's a trick question, because both are recipes for chaos. Either way,

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down and see if we could get this thing to call back up or possibly even catch it coming up the mountain side. The snow was so thick. We had to stop. It was up to when we got out of the truck, It was up to our knees. So there was no snow at the lower elevations, but it was so cold outside. None of us had the proper coats or gear to stay the night. So we come, this is where it's really interesting. So we decided, okay, we can't go any further in the truck. So we turn the truck back around, come back down the mountainside to where we were originally

where John's car was parked. And so we parked the car there. and we're telling the gentleman who owns the truck in the car, we're like, this is where we saw him, and we're pointing up towards the ridge line. So he then takes his FLUR camera and works it around, so it's pointing up at the direction where this creature was. And lo and behold, it had come back.

And it was watching us, not realizing it was being filmed, and watching us as we were, looking up and talking and describing, and we actually did a few calls to see if we get a call back. We did a few Bigfoot house. And all of a sudden, the truck goes, it's right there. And so we're seeing this creature move down the ridge from in front of the tree as it's sneaking around the trees to behind a boulder. So it's now peeking over the boulder so we can see the crest of its skull and its head. on top of being able to see this thing move down and it moved back up. So it did it twice.

So we got about two minutes of this. And the rest of the evening, this thing then moved off entirely and it moved away. And so we stayed there for another hour, maybe two hours, seeing if it would come back. And all we got were rodents and the underbrush going back. We caught wildlife moving. But this thing never came back down. don't know if it realized it was being filmed, but we got it. We got it for about a minute and a half,

two minutes. We got this thing moving. And so it was freezing cold, realizing this creature wasn't going to come back. And of course, we didn't have equipment with us to camp out. And it had to have been maybe 20 degrees outside, maybe colder than that, with the wind howling and everything. And so we then pack up, leave, go back to their condo in Surrey, and then the next day, we go right back up. And we're looking for Cass. Now, Winona, having lived on Alexis and Stony Plains in Alberta in a First Nation, Dakota community, she was a trained tracker. So she began to look for tracks. And lo and behold, where this creature had moved down,

from the tree line near this large rock boulder, which is what we were able to get up to, we had three tracks, three clear imprints, and we had casting material, and we casted them. I photographed them, I have them. I photographed the length between the footstep

between the three tracks that we were able to cast. There probably would have been more, but they were not castable, but we were able to cast three clear tracks. And they were over 17.5 inches long, and about five and a half inches wide with a huge end-step. Clearly, a large individual. That same day, we were able to visit one of the leading Canadian researchers, Tom Steenberg,

who is a well-knit Canadian researcher came and took our reports, took our eyewitness report, and was able to then interview us. And then when I came back to the states, Tom called me back and was able to interview me further about my citing. And so, yeah, so that was my sighting in Canada. And still, I think one of the best mass sightings ever of a Sasquatch, citing probably in the last decade or so. And so to be a part of both encounters,

although what I jokingly say is my encounter in Maryland was terrifying, life altering, but I had no equipment with me. The one in Canada was seen by multiple eyewitnesses, photographed, plenty of evidence. to show what this creature was dealing with both ends of the spectrum here. Bigfoot experiences, I generally say lightning does strike twice. But those were my two experiences. It's absolutely incredible.

You said that, is that in a Small Town Monsters documentary that that's called out? Yes, it is. And it was a part of the series. I think it was just recently released. But John, we'll say, we had an American friend visit. I was the American friend. Gotcha. So I've known Don and we've for a very long time, and they're old friends, and I'm very, very happy to be a part of the British Columbia Cryptozoologic Society had been for a number of years. Unfortunately, I don't get up to Canada as much as I'd like to, but yeah, those were some really incredible times, and I would like to go back to Harrison into the same area and maybe spend a lot more significant time because it's an area. There's a reason why it's called Sasquatch Provincial Park, obviously.

because it has been a feature of many Bigfoot sightings over the decades, and it's well-known. And the really cool thing about the Harrison sighting was, with great fortune, we had the right people, the right equipment, and everything there. Although it was more of a long-distance sighting, we could document it. My Maryland citing, which, again, was very scary and terrifying, but I don't have, it's anecdotal. But having had both experiences, one in 2014 and then in 2017 in Canada, this is, I think these creatures are much more vibrant a population than we give them credit. And I think that they're closer to civilization as well, probably to habitat loss. Oh, yeah, absolutely.

I would actually, maybe a different show, but I would love to go into some of the possible evolutionary theories about why we have such disparate, When people describe Bigfoot in Texas, when they describe them in Maine, they describe them in the Pacific Northwest, why that is. And the evolutionary mechanisms behind the behavioral differences and the morphological differences, that is something that I've become very attuned to in a theoretical way that I would love to do either an academic paper or a presentationist to explain how do we apply evolutionary biology to, to these incredible sightings in both Canada and the United States. Part of this encounter is extremely interesting because it's a pattern that's started to come up in my interviews over the years, different places. And it's the part where Winona was really able to have a form of sign language back and forth. This has come up. There's a interview I did with Ernie Devereaux with Ernie.

with Ernie out of Western Massachusetts where there was this present and there's also a researcher in the Mount Hood area that had many times where sign language was used back and forth between themselves and individuals.

And do you have any thoughts about sign language or hand motions being used between Sasquatch as an anthropologist? Yeah, I do actually. I think that when you combine the Sierra Sounds and what's going on in the analysis of the Sierra Sounds, which of course are very famous now, and when you look at reports of people having nonverbal sign language going on

and how it's used, a lot of the First Nation peoples in Canada will talk about the use of sign language and their encounters with the Sasquatch throughout Canada, whether it's Central Alberta, whether it's in the mountains of Canada, the Canadian Rockies, or along the Northwest Coast, what's been studied more, and again, there's so much more I could go into detail with as far as cultural goes. The Northwest Coast people have an entire ceremonial and cultural complex around their interaction with these creatures, going all the way up the Fraser River Valley. And then you go into Central Canada, the Canadian Rockies, you go into Alberta, in Saskatchez, and Ontario.

Some of the earliest documented European encounters with Sasquatch in Canada come from Ontario from French-Canadian encounters with these creatures. But then the ethnographic research and the actual field work done by anthropologists going back to Franz Boas in the 1890s, he talks about what we now call Bigfoot and Sasquatch. There is a written record from both anthropologists in the Northwest Coast and then European descendant peoples in the Ontario region of Canada that document these creatures going back 200 years or better. This is what's really friends, Boas is doing his work in the 1890s through the 1920s and 30s,

and I've studied Boas's work extensively. And then there were other Canadian anthropologists doing field work among the Kwok, Goodle people and the Haida and the Klinget, the coastal Klinquet and Alaska, which have Alaska, their indigenous cultures have a major Bigfoot culture. This is something that is intriguing. And to me, I have always said this from day one. To me, the biggest evidence for the existence of these creatures is the ethnographic and ethno-historical evidence.

To me, that speaks more widely. of the existence of these creatures, then the footprint evidence, the sightings, they're all very important, incredibly important scientifically, to examine the foot tracks. But the ethno-historical evidence is overwhelming, not just in North America,

not just in Canada, but in Southeast Asia, in Central Asia. You're going back centuries at that point with human interactions with relicominated populations. This is just something that, you know, it needs much more attention from academia, but much more attention when we're all

in the field. We need to be acutely aware of what's going on when we have these things. And I know it's hard because they can be terrifying. But to record as much as you can, the data, what you're witnessing behaviorally as well as what you're seeing as far as the creatures go, there's just so much. There's just so much. What kind of data should one be capturing? What's the most important data to capture when you're in that situation? I think if you can get visual evidence, that would be the best. I often have held that if people have been putting out plot watchers, I know that's been a thing now for a number of years, but the audio evidence, at a tamper recorder that night, that will never leave my memory what I heard, and that I kept it to myself. And for a

a long time until I heard another person being interviewed on a podcast that mentioned this. And I about dropped what I had in my hands because I'd never heard anybody mentioned that before. But the audio is, I think, as important as the visual. And of course, the footprints, if you can cast footprints do. I think there's a lot of mistaken between bear tracks, double steps with certain species of bear and Sasquatch. I think that I think there are genuinely great casts out there. There are hundreds of them.

But I think some people are seeing, I've looked at people who say, oh, that's a softscor. No, that's an all the pad and claws. That's a bear. That's a large, it's a grizzly or a large brown. It's not a soft squash. But I've seen what I saw on the Ridge Line when, before I had my encounter. That was clearly not a human track. I unfortunately did not have casting material with me.

It's all about being in the right place at the right time with the right equipment. And really, do those things ever come together? What if you're, let's say you're out in an end. area, you're wanting to do the Jane Goodall method and you're, I'm going to spend a thousand hours in this area. I know it's active. It's just be there and observe. All you have is a journal and a pencil or a pen. What are the most important things to be writing down, would you say? I would write down, first of all, when you're doing field work like that, you want to be consistent with not only where you're at, but consistent to be there all the time at the same time of day,

but also to note things like, what is the weather like? What is the temperature like? What time of day are you there? And if you're getting activity like calls, rock clacking, which in my area is much more common than wood knocking. I've discovered that with rock clacking. When is this occurring? What part of the areas that's occurring. And then going there, and we have this concept in anthropology. It's called being a visual presence. So even if you're an other and you're not from a culture, the nature of both intelligent human beings, and I would assume also intelligent primates or relicomondids, your presence and your visual presence, they're aware that you're there. There's no reason to put a gillies suit on or camouflage. They know you're there. People, I see that.

people are going in with camo and they're putting like football pain on their face. I'm like, they know you're there. So be there. Do normal things. Sing songs. Be a visual presence so that they're curious. They will come to you. You don't really need to look for a Sasquatch. They will come to you. If they're in the area, if you're there long enough and you're willing to put in the time, they will eventually make themselves known to you. And so that would be my recommendation, but keep notes about what you're doing. What works, what doesn't work? Are you leaving food? If you are, what kind of food?

How often is it being taken? Is it not being taken? Are you not leaving food? Are you just hanging out? When I had my terrifying encounter, all I had was like a bed roll, a backpack, and a walking step and a hat on. And that was it. And I think I had my insulin with me and some food.

I was not anticipating this. And that often is the case. I was thinking, okay, I'm in an area where I know they're at. let me just go hiking in this area. I was not anticipating this level of activity. Now I know after the fact that, you know, what I need to bring when I go back out there, but to your point exactly is to be a visual presence, but to be non-intrusive. So you're there observing, you're sitting there.

I know people that have brought in musical instruments. If you play a woodwind instrument like a flute or a harmonica to get just, or a lot of people who have encounters are having picnics. They're just camping, they're singing camp songs. I will have to say, I know two other anthropologists that have done research in this area, but because they're not, they're still teaching at universities, they're not out about their research. I have type two diabetes, but I manage it well.

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as children and Boy Scouts in Northern California. So one of them was on a camping expedition in Northern California as a Boy Scout or Cups Scout or whatever. And one of these creatures walked into their camp at night.

And they could see it through the campfire that was going, they could see the outline of this creature walk through their camp. And he was a young boy. And of course, later, years later, he became an anthropologist. And he had an encounter many years later. But because they're both still teaching, they don't want to jeopardize that. There's still a lot of prejudice. in the field of anthropology around the subject matter, academia.

And so Jeff Meldrum was an amazing man, somebody I spoke to on a number of occasions, an incredible person in a great loss to our field. Jeff Meldrum was the exception to the rule and not the normally people that teach anthropology at universities and colleges. You can mention Bigfoot and Sasquatch in an ethnographic context.

In an evolutionary, you can't bring, you couldn't just say, I'm gonna teach a course on Sasquatch Swatchwatch Studies. Although I think that, might be changing in certain parts. Not yet someday, probably, hopefully. I really hope so. So I want to clarify just something to make sure I heard.

So are you saying that multiple anthropologists have had encounters while researching in this one Maryland area? No, not in Maryland. One was in another part of the United States, but they're both colleagues and friends of mine that I've known for years. And I said, why don't you come to conferences? You're like, I can't. They literally can't. But this is something that when you have somebody of a professional area, that, you know, would be like having a medical doctor being in the field or a surgeon that has an encounter and is seeing a softwatch or a podiatrist. You know, somebody, you know, who works in the field of medicine that is trained and then has an encounter.

I would be curious to get a group of podiatrist together who are not Bigfoot enthusiasts to actually seriously look at the known. really good castes out there from a scientific perspective totally adjacent from the Bickford field. That would be a real interesting study. No, I agree 100%. And I believe there could be a few out there. Have you gone out to, do you still continue to go out to the Maryland area or was that a one-time deal? I was actually out there. Ironically, I was out there about three weeks ago. I was up early in the morning and I could not sleep. So I got in car and it was around three or four o'clock in the morning and I drove to the area where I had my sighting parked my car and went up the river and I was there to try and get the morning light I was actually couldn't try and do some photography which I actually did but the entire time I walked into that

area parked my car was walking along the river I didn't go up to the ridge because it was I was walking along the river trying to get the sun coming up over to get good shots of the area. And I, the entire time, the ridges were above me. And as the sun came up, I swore I was being watched. That feeling of being watched. And I was like, I got really uneasy because the foliage is so thick in some of these areas. You literally, during the day, it's so dark, you almost need a flashlight. So I'm going through this area as the sun is coming up. I knew the sun was going to come up. I knew the sun was going to come up very soon, and I was walking through this very dense foliage along the river, along the Seneca River. And I looked up towards where the ridge lines surround the river. And I was like,

I got the very strong sense that I was being watched. And I took my pictures, took a few flower photographs, some pictures of the river. I did put my camera up and take pictures of the ridge, just to see if maybe I could get something like a shadow. of something I didn't, of course. But I was just very, it was very eerie. But I do plan on going back and doing a nighttime investigation with the right equipment. That's awesome. What a fascinating conversation. There's, I would say, the last question that I'll ask you today, Kenny, and this is a hypothetical. So let's say your viewpoint as an anthropologist, let's say that an individual We're in a really active Bigfoot area,

and then you stumble upon something that looks like it's a tool-making or tool-using station. There's picked ferns, there's piles of mud, there's pieces of bark that are ripped off, there's a handprint in the mud. Are there anything, what would you recommend to do as an anthropologist in that situation to capture evidence? If you come across any list,

FIPT technology. Two things. Call me. No. No, no. One thing would be photograph it in C2. Don't move anything. Photograph as much as you can as it's placed. Then if you can do that and even measure the distances between what looks like a tool and any other pile of rocks or anything that looks very suspicious, do measurements, photograph everything in place before you pick anything. up. Then, if that's the case, I would be more than willing to look at whatever found and to see if it's actually something that is been made by a human or otherwise, because all indigenous peoples in these areas have a tool technology, but usually it's not surface. So if you're finding unusual things at the surface that look like a tool, again, photograph everything as you find it

in place. We call it in situ. Photograph it in situ and then measure to your best ability. The art, what's there, put tape measures, give it some scale. If you have a tape measure, that's the best thing I tell everybody carry tape measure in your backpack, or a ruler or a pack of cigarette, something to give it or a pen, something to give it scale, measure everything in relationship to one another. And if you do know somebody of professional qualifications, call them and have them come out. If you don't, it's better to gather the material than lose it. So if you can gather it in plastic bags or whatever you have and then call somebody who is credentialed to look at it. And like I said, if anybody wants to contact me, if they do come across this, I'd be more than happy to look at the

photographs or even meet them in person and look at the artifacts. in person. That's really great advice, I think. So that actually leads me into, is there a way that people could reach out to you if they had questions like this? I think I can give you my, I think I gave you my email address. Yeah. So they can contact me via my email or I'm also on Facebook.

They can reach out to me on Facebook through Messenger or they can email me if you want to put my email up. And I'd be happy to talk to people about this. Like, again, like I said, I would like to see much more work done in evolutionary biology around theoretical modeling, around Sasquatch, and around what the differences are. Like I said, I'm currently working on something around that right now. And so I would like to actually get to maybe present that at a conference at some point or publish it academically. My goodness. This is just, man, I love doing interviews. Some of them are extremely fascinating in addition to some great encounters. And this is one of those interviews, I think, where it has just been a great one to learn from, but also a highly engaging one as well, in my opinion. But Kenny, thank you so much for coming on the show. Definitely keep me in the loop with if you are able to one day get that paper out. I would love to know about it

and so people can check that out. Great. Thank you again for having me on, Jeremiah. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch, or forces,

and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a national park ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground, or if you're with the FBI, a federal agency, or working intelligence, and you've stumbled upon something you're not allowed to talk about.

And if you're a firefighter, paramedic, or search and rescue responder who's heard screams or found tracks that didn't make sense, if you're in the logging industry on a remote oil field or a trucker with government contracts, and you've had something happen that you've never told a soul, and if you're a biologist, a wildlife specialist, or a field researcher under contract, who has found evidence you're not allowed to report, if you're a pastor, a missionary, or someone on a spiritual retreat, and you saw something that shook your faith, or if you work in the shadows, CIA, NSA, or anything with clearance,

and you've seen what the public hasn't, then I want to talk to you. Even if it's anonymous, you can reach me at Bigfoot Society at gmail.com. The world needs to hear what you've been forced to carry alone, and you're not alone. You've got the story. We've got the mic.

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