Bigfoot Society - Australia has 3 Bigfoot Types? | Neil Frost

Episode Date: October 19, 2025

What happens when an Australian teacher builds a house in the wilderness — and finds out they weren’t alone? In this unforgettable episode, we travel to the Blue Mountains of New South Wales to meet Neil Frost, author of Fatfoot: Encounters with a Dooligahl. Neil's 50 years of research into Australia's three marsupial enigmas — the Quinkan, the Junjudee, and the Dooligahl — has led to chilling encounters, from guttural growls in scout camps to trees violently shaken in the moonlight. With engineering ingenuity, indigenous knowledge, and relentless curiosity, Neil and his neighbors formed a group called The Octopus to track the creatures roaming their bushland. You’ll hear about stolen baby clothes, eerie vocalizations, and the moment Neil realized something had been watching his children. From terrifying night thumps to an emotional goodbye with a familiar forest giant, this story reveals what happens when a family lives side-by-side with the unknown.Resource: Buy Fatfoot here: https://amzn.to/4oduyg7 (Amazon affiliate link helps support the podcast)🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to [e-mail] – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn MoreLMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNTOrganic and non-GMO groceries delivered for lesshttp://thrv.me/uarEhS🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072

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These are the voices of the people who've lived it. So settle in because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. All right, Bigfoot Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Mr. Neil Frost today. Neil Frost is an Australian educator, explorer, and writer whose background in science, anthropology, and engineering has taken him from the Blue Mountains of Australia to the highlands of Papua New Guinea and his lifelong curiosity about nature. culture in the unknown shapes his works and stories. Neil has written this book called Fat Foot Encounters with a Doologal,

and it's an autobiographical journey of 50 plus years investigating Australia's three marsupial enigmas. And I want to hold this again so you can see that it is what is about 700 pages, Neil. You've got that a bit more than that. It's intense. It's intense. A lot of good stuff. in this book, but welcome to the show. Neil, how are you doing today? I'm going to go. Thanks a good. Absolutely.

And thank you for being on the show right now over there in Australia. It's almost 9.30 in the morning. Over here in Iowa, it's about almost 5.30 at night because we got to get that 16-hour time difference to work. But I'm excited to talk to you today. So many things I didn't know about Australia. I thought Australia was just about the YOWI, but there's much, much more. going on with it. But Neil, is there anything else that you would want the audience to know about

yourself? I was a teacher. I went to university and did anthropology. I wanted to become an archaeologist originally, but the university I went to didn't have archaeology. So I stuck with anthropology instead. I studied anthropology and then during term, I would get hold of old cars and do them up and sell them to get money and use that money to. to go overseas to New Guinea to study the tribes in part of New Guinea and throughout Micronesia, Melanesia, because I was interested in them and following my studies. After I had done that, I then went and got a job. I got a job as a teacher because I was bonded.

I had a scholarship, so I was committed to having to work for the part of education. And they sent me out west, and that's where I had an encounter, one of many. We built our own house. After I finished there, I came back to Sydney and the Blue Mountains. We bought a vacant block of land in the middle of nowhere and built our own two-story wooden house. After we'd done that, we noticed all these weird things were going on in the bush around us. And it wasn't until about 10 years later that we actually realized what it was. And of course, it was the fact that we had the hairy man walking around our property. That caused a lot of trauma for a family, for my wife and I, who didn't know what we're dealing with.

And that motivated me basically to do something about it. So I formed a group called the octopus. The octopus was a group of local inhabitants who investigated the activities of these beings in the bush. And the object was simply to not only just report on them and get information about them, but also to help people who had encounters. Because like us, many people have had these encounters are traumatised. They have a lot of trauma. They don't know who to turn to.

People realise very quickly that as soon as you mention the topic, you're in trouble. People are treated as a taboo topic and people start to ridicule you. So people become, as I suppose we say, they become very self-aware of this problem and they tend to self-censors probably in the middle of those same. So they don't say anything. They come in very introverted as a result of that. So that was our main issue. Not only just to study these things and find out about it from an anthropological point of view, also from the zoological point of view, but also to help out the people who had encounters because they were basically suffering.

So that's generally it. That's fantastic. There's so many similarities to what we have to deal with in the US. And really North America, when it comes down. it about people having to deal with trauma after having encounters with Bigfoot. And although these things we'll be talking about might be a little different, they might have some similarities as well. And we'll probably talk about that later. But I would think it, so your first encounter that you had was way back in 1966 in the Blue Mountains.

Is that correct? It was a, originally I was a scout, cub actually. then I moved up into the Scouts. And at the age of about 11, I think almost when that occurred in 1996. And when I went into the Scouts, it happened we had a seven-day camp in the Blue Mountains, seven-day, six nights. And they'd been preparing for this for quite a long time. My scout leader, my Scoutmaster, was an ex-World War II Prisoner War.

I'm a very talented man, a very knowledgeable man. and he knew a lot about the Australian environment. And what he didn't know, he went out of his way to find it. So he would learn it from the Aborigines. So we had this camp that was coming up, and other people prepared for the camp as well. So they had the more senior people, the rovers, in the group who used to go down on weekends,

and they built a dam, would you believe it was a curved wall dam. They were basically engineers, some of the metal urges, so they were very knowledgeable blokes. and they built a curve, and they had a pressurized water system for the area. It was an incredible bit of engineering for a remote area.

So they built all these facilities in this incredibly remote area and it was the Gross Valley was what it was and it's basically a gorge of a 600 metres deep. To get into it, it's a bit of an effort you've got to walk down these goat tracks and traverse these very difficult sections,

very dangerous sections. It wouldn't be allowed today, wouldn't be allowed to do what we did because the risk of getting injured or killed was very high. Anyway, we went to this area. We set up and, I think it was the second or third night. Things started to happen. We started to hear, of second night, we started to hear how on the cliff above us. And of course, the people in the tent I was in, the old bloke started stirring us up trying to get us terrified.

I was only 11. They were 16 to 18 years. So they were working me up a little bit. And it was howling, and I can't describe it really much better than that. It was an unusual sound, very guttural, very loud, and coming 600 metres above us. The very next night, after we'd experienced that, the thing was down in the valley with us. And we had the campsite, had a main campsite where nearly everybody was camp, except for my patrol. leader who decided he wanted to have privacy and put us 100 metres further out in the bush by

ourselves. As a result of this thing came down into the campsite. It terrorised the main campsite for a considerable period of time. We could hear it and then it discovered us and came over to our campsite, our tent. When it got to our tent, it started shaking things. So it would shake trees around it, shake the tent, make various noises, and it's probably early, the early hours of the morning, eventually I was so fatigued. After basically two nights of not been able to sleep like everyone else, I went to sleep. And then I suddenly woke up, startled away by the sound of something growling in my ear. And what had happened was I was laying, I was on the into the tent and something came up and growled into my left ear and of course I reacted to that

I flew through the air and I landed further down the line on two other scouts. No one said anything no one complained. It wasn't a peep out of anyone and this lasted till dawn. No one said a word until we got up in the morning when anyone ran around to try to find out what it could have been. That was the first encounter. Very unusual. Incredibly scary. as my neighbor next door, so many years later, it was basically a testicle tightening experience.

It was so frightening. It really was. I had a really high levels of kids. So that's my first thing, yeah. My goodness, that is, wow, what a way to start things off. Do you think that was then an actual doula gal that was messing with you guys at that time? It was either a dula gal or Quicken. Winkins are very nasty.

They're very aggressive, and this thing was obviously very aggressive. That sort of leans towards a Quinkin. We didn't go outside and have a ludicry too scared to do that, obviously, and did that what we're dealing with anyway. And the other possibility is a dual legal. Doologales can be. These males can be aggressive. So it's either dual a male, a large male or a Quincan, any one of the number of

of male, really. but I think possibly I lean towards Dooligar for that one. Gotcha. Do you think we could take a few minutes maybe talking about what each of the three are,

the Doologal, the Quinkin and the Jungadi? Sure. We have, it's quite a pan. We've got three different species here, three main species. So the Yaui is really not one generic species.

It's a broad range. They've got three types. and they're very distinct. So we have, at the top end of the scale, we have the Quinkan. The Quinkin is an Aboriginal name again from far north Queensland from the rainforests up there. Now the rainforests up there are extremely dense and imagine it's very hard to get through them

so you can hide anything up there, including World War II aircraft that crashed there and they never found them again. They might be able to find them. So you have these Quinkin and they're about, so it can be up to about eight, nine feet tall. They're rather slender. They only have three digits.

So you have three fingers and they have three toes. Their foot is rather long and extended, so it's like a kangaroo foot. So you have these quink of a large ones. They tend to be very aggressive. The Aborigines were terrified on them because of the fact they used to eat Aborigines. That particularly their favourite food, according to them, were children. They used to like taking children. The second type is Doologal.

Doologar is the one that we had most experiences with and the one that we called Fat Foot. Doologals are lesser height. They're up at six to seven foot in height. They tend to be, they can be rather aggressive, but see our one was a female. And we knew it was a female because an Aboriginal elder told me. I won't go out you know how we knew that,

but he said that you've got female and there's a consequence that they're a lot more caring and they're not as aggressive. males can be aggressive. So the female was, we're lucky having a female because we didn't have as many problems as we could have had.

They foretoed. We called our one fat foot for a simple reason that it obviously sustained an injury to its foot. You've got cast to you, it's really hard to get it right here to be able to see this,

but casting shadows on it. But you can might be able to notice on this side here. That's better. Here there's a bulge on the foot on the outside edge. The foot actually extends down here normally and it has a bulge on the side here. We suspect that's you to an injury. After all, if you run around barefoot at high speed in the bush, eventually you go into

your foot. So yes, that's what it is an injury. You can see up here there's a big tail. There's a compression ridge in the middle where the big tail and the lesser tail is here off to the side and there's four of them. sorry three of them have squeezed the soil forming a ridge and that's why it's a hollow there down the bottom here got the heel the heel is separate to the main part of the body in second heel has gathered foretoed rather large and that's why we call it fatfoot the last time

the junjiji now junggiji is the best way to describe and the actually is describing politely as mischievous that they're steaming little bastards that's what they are. They've got a real attitude to them. They will still rob, damaged, sabotage, do anything to you that they possibly can because I think it's funny.

So there's like a European elf, I suppose, the rich stories of those sorts of industry. These things are about three to four foot high. They're more monkey-like. I've seen that one, which I've seen one of these as well. It's probably the difference

between the height and then the skin the fur, they have fur, which is more like a horse's fur. It's a very short fur. They have a yellow annuals around each eye, so that makes it very distinctive. What else got to say about them? That's basically it for a jungey. So they have three basic types, small, medium and large, aggressive, mischievous on the bottom, into the scale. Gotcha.

And just to make sure I get this, and these are all. included under the umbrella of Yowie then? Is that right? Yeah, because of the stories, isn't it? Yeah, you have to try and differentiate them from the stories. But yeah, they are included, the one number one. Okay, gotcha. So when, let's say over here in America,

if we hear Yowie stories from Australia, they could actually be about one of these three creatures. Okay, gotcha. Yeah, so we have to listen carefully. story to figure out which when they're talking about the main thing of course is they're all fast so that makes it hard to differentiate they all move incredibly fast like i think like your bigfoot 40 kilometers an hour is what we've clopped them at and high speed so 40k is pretty fast they go they run through bush nor around it they just tear through the undergrowth

don't see to worry about it too much well it's about things the well that's probably The main difference is what you hear. And then you've got stories of monkeys, monkey-like things, or kids. Some people confuse the Janjiji with children. So they think they're child-like because they have small feet. They have five toes. So you've got five toes. So they can be confused with human children.

And that's people confusing with generally speaking. So that's three basic types. When people have visual. sightings of, let's say, the Doologal, are they, do they say it looks more like a human or some kind of ape or is it some weird mixture? In case of the duly gal, most people, of course, go to the thing that they're most familiar with, they say, to Bigfoot. So nearly invariably, let's say, we saw Bigfoot. The most common description. So the very similar appearance to a Bigfoot, as you would have called.

But clearly they're not the same. If you get down to Delft in the fine details, there are distinct differences between them. So in the case of our ones, we have four toes on Doologel. I think a big foot typically has five, although there are reports of different toes, I think, aren't there? Some of them, yeah. Absolutely, yeah. Different regions of the US, for example, like Southeast Alaska, there's four-toed ones that are reported. but for the most part, yeah, it would be five toes.

Yeah. Yeah. Also, there's something I wanted to talk about when laying the groundwork for what these three creatures are. So they are also looked at as marsupials, right? No, I'm the only one. Basically, he says they're marsupial. Everyone else says that they're big, they like big foot and they're placentals. Now, humans are placentals.

and for the benefit of people are not too sure, that means that they have a placenta. So babies are born internally and a mother and they give birth to it. That's a placental. Marcipio's, the babies are, or the joys. When they're born, they travel from the birth canal, up the mother's belly, through the fur and attached to the nipple. And so they grow up externally to, and that's why they call marsupials, because it comes to the latworms are marsupian.

So they have an external wormy, might say. So that's the difference between them. It's the way in which the babies are born. That's fascinating. So all three of these would be considered placentals then is what it sounds like. No, all three of these are regarded as marsupil. Okay. Gotcha.

Bigfoot placental are these three that we have in Australia. I would argue that are Marseupil. their master year build, but unfortunately most people here think that these things are also placentals like Bigfoot. So most Australians have the object that because they look similar to Bigfoot, they are Bigfoot. So therefore they're similar in every way. They have basically placental animals. But the things that separate them from placentals that makes them a bit more interesting. Probably the best thing to say about it is like with us, we have flat pink. nails. Other hominids like us like apes and chimpanzees also have flat pit nails and

that's how you tell you're hominid. With these things, no, they have black claws on their hands and feet. Now that by itself, that one ticker thing just by itself tells you they're not related to humans in any regard. So they've got black claws, they're flat, They're not flat-named, so they're something weird about them straight away. Sorry? Also, Quinkin does a weird thing where it'll make loud thumping noises, correct? Yeah, yeah. The thing about thumping is that's the characteristic of kangaroos.

Kangaroos, I think it's 49 out of 52 species from memory, of kangaroo foot thug. And foot thumping is used by the ultrasound. So you thump your foot and any other kangaroo in the area will hear that noise and think there's danger in the area. There's a predator around or it might be some other reason they're foot functful. So kangaroos typically do that particular behaviour. Now the interesting thing is that the Doologal also foot thumps. And that was the problem we used to have with ours is that it would come around at nighttime and it would announce its presence by foot thumping. So in fact, it's foot thumping.

kangaroos, foot thumps, means there's a possible link there with kangaroos. There's quite a number of them, but that's yet another one's the foot thunk. The junjid and don't foot clump. They hit sticks. So they get sticks and they built things. They built trees on a stick, which I think what your big foot does also. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. How far back to your historical records of these three back in Australia?

When you're talking historical records, you're talking about Aboriginal history. Oh, sure. They're oral histories. They're not written histories. So you're talking about European history if you're talking about that sort of history. But in terms of the Aborigines, their history of their oral history of these things goes back a long time. One of the classic things they will say to you is they were here before us, but they're not the same as us. I've heard that a few times.

Oral histories are pretty much discounted too much. Now, I'm originally anthropologist. I used to do, was to rely a lot on oral histories. But one of the people in studying this, which really amazed me, were oral histories of past geological events in Australia. And one particular one was a group of Aboriginal ladies in Tasmania, which is down the bottom of Australia, which is separate from Australia by the Bass Straits.

It's got water between them. Now, that separated 12,000 years ago. Yet these Aboriginal ladies is to talk about their mothers distant, their ancestral mothers who used to walk from Tasmania to Victoria across this area on dry land. Now that's an example of a 12,000-year-old memory. There's quite a number of examples like that.

But I found that fascinating. People say, you know, I can possibly have an old history like this thing has been preserved over that period of time. I think that's one example at least where it's been the case. So, yeah. As an anthropologist, have you gotten, have you had the opportunity to interview Aboriginals about stories regarding these from their oral history?

Yeah, you know, the, when we originally had our first encounter here at our house and we were quite terrified about it, we started to try and find people who would be able to help us. And in the first 24 48 hours, we knew of no one. So we mentioned it with a few friends and basically they looked his sideways and say what's wrong or what drugs are you on. So we realised that wasn't a line to pursue. We then thought about using our neighbour. Our neighbour was a bike, an ex-com. He was a very

tough man and he was really good. We're glad we spoke to him because he was prepared to give us physical support and backup on this. But the Aborigines, when we asked them, because we were teachers, we went to the partner of education and spoke to Aboriginal consultants. And they're always a little bit shy about talking about it. And we said to them, we'll have to talk to you about the Yowie. And I'll say, what are you talking about? I said, what do you mean?

I said, the hairy man. And they said, okay, what do you know about the hairy man? I said they've got red eyes. and they say, okay, what else do you know? I said they run very fast. All right, we'll talk to you. So you've got to pass the test. You've got to actually be able to, yeah, pass the test

before I get the help out of really that stage. So the information they had, the guy that we mainly relied on was a guy called Merv. Merv was regarded as the Awey expert in Aboriginal society down the south coast and New South Wales. Merv knew everything. When we first had this problem, when we spoke to Merv, Merv said, you've recently built a house, have you? We said, yes, we have. How do you know this?

He's like a charm. And he said, there are plenty of tracks around your land when you built. I said, yes, there were. I said, okay. Did you build your house across any of these tracks? Yes, we did. He said, tell me how far from the swamp are you? I said about 40 metres, about 40 metres on the swamp and he said, after a lengthy process,

he then said, do you have any children? And I said, yes. He said, what ages are they? And I said there, that time it was two and a half and six months. I can't remember exactly, but they were very young kids. And I said, male and female. And then Murph said to him, this is very important. He said, have you ever lost any children? children's clothing. He said, what do you mean lost children's clothing? I mean from the clothes on it. He put clothes out at night to dry and you come back and they're not there.

I said, no. But I tell you what, I have found children's clothing in the swamp. And he said, there you go, you've got a female, straight up. And the reason is, he's argument after questioning him afterwards, why that was the case. He said, because with Doologal, they like to teach. their joys what humans are like and various other things like normal parents do so he said well go females will go and steal things like clothing from the clothes line and take it to the joys and let them sniff it and basically tell them this is what a

human smells like so this is pretty amazing so he was telling us that all these sort of stories and and nerve said to me this is very worrying you need to be careful now because it means you got a dolego in the area and he says they take children. I said, you kidding me. He said, no, they will take children. And I said, what to eat? And he said, well, put it this way. He said, you might lose a child during the night and the chances say, you probably won't see it again. And that was really frightened. So we, I said, how do you know, know how do you know all this stuff? And he said to me, back in the 40 years ago or something of 30 years ago, he said, I used to take Aboriginal children out into the bush to hide them because we had a bad

practice here in Australia of taking children, the government had practice of taking children away from their parents. Same was, I think, with America, with the Indians. They used to take the children away and put them in foster homes and bring them up as whites. So it said, we used to take our kids out in the middle of the bush to hide them from the government men. And he said, on one occasion in particular, we were all the bloke because of the men used to mainly do that. The men be sitting around the campfire and the children be playing in the light at night time. And he said, one night we had a dulae came into the campsite, very fast, picked up a child and kept on going.

And so, says, all the men instinctively went and grabbed their weapons and pursued after it. And he said, apart from fact, the king was screaming away. They followed it during the night until dawn. He said, it was a long process. and when they got at dawn they came to an area which was a big clearing and he said you could hear the dole go off in the distance so all the men formed a line

he said we formed a line across the clearing and we all raised our spears and shook them which he said it tells them we're going to go to war with you that was a sign for going to war so he said what happened then was the child it came out in the clearing he put the child down and walked back here we got the kid back said that's how I know I thought that is amazing.

But there's plenty of stories. You have stories of European women who wrote their autobiographies too. And one woman in 1840s wrote a story about she reckoned how bad the Aboriginal women were. They weren't very good mothers, she said, because she would have, she said, you'd go into a camp. It's in 1840s. She said there'll be an Aboriginal kids playing, and then you'll come back a few weeks. a month late or two months, whatever it was, and one of the kids had been gone.

So whatever happened to this kid? And the mothers would say, a dula gal took it, whatever the name of the local hairy man was for that area. And she, this woman in particular, Elizabeth, whatever it was, she said these women were very bad mothers

because they would lose their children and then blame it on something like, a magical evil spirit took their kids. In fact, she said, I think it is because they necessarily don't look after their kids. And there's other examples of stories like that too, but that one that sticks in my mind about how bad they think they treat them. Wow.

So it's a thing, it's taken very serious in the cultures over there, it sounds like. Even today, even today, in the Northern Territory, for example, you've got cases where a lot of people still live in traditional, for a variety of reasons of the traditional. And he said, the usual arrangement is you have a campfire in the middle. If you haven't got a building, you have a campfire in the middle of the clearing. You clear a long way around, they used to say. You have the young children on the inner circle, followed by the women on the near circle,

and then the men on the outer circle. Outside of that, you have then 44-gallon drums, metal drums. And they had put logs in it and burned them. He said, these are the common name up there for them. is they have these large logs and they call them all nighters because they burn all night. And the thing is the light keeps them away. And the interesting thing about light is it's like a moth. A light does two things with Dooligar in particular.

It attracts them to the site because they see a light in the distance. They're dying to find out white here. So they'll come and have a look and they'll stare and just observe. But they won't go any closer because while the lights are there, is they're blinded because they're primarily not to, or primarily not too. I have night vision, which is very badly wiped out. They start staring at a burning fire.

So the lights in particular have a double-edged sword. And that was the first bit of advice were given by the Parameda Aboriginal Land Council. When we had a problem was the guy said to me, the Aboriginal guy said, you can have a laugh at this. He said, we spoke to the Aboriginal Land Council last night and got the advice. He said the decision's out.

Half the men decided that you turn all your lights off, and the other half of the men said, you turn all your lights on. So that was the typical because it is a double-est sore. Right. They are very light sensitive because they're not turnable. You tend to have a problem with it. So that's what happens with camping.

I always give advice to people who had gulagar around their house. is the best thing you can do is clear around your house and then put motion-sensitive lights on each corner of your house when they come on, they're blinds it and it'll keep them away for a short period of time because what happens because they're very intelligent, they're not stupid, is that they learn and they learn very quickly and the end result of that is that they'll find some way of getting around the problem and that can involve say stalking using trees as cover or in the case of a doctor up here surgeon and a trauma neural surgeon. He said at his place that they had learnt to travel along the edge of the wall so he had these lights on the eaves over here and he said they would

travel along the eaves of his house to get to his door to look at him all through his window to see what he was doing at two o'clock in the morning and he what he was doing he was studying for his latest degree so he said we had these things coming around but they learned to do that. Junji, just to jump to a different Yowie, Junji on the other hand, are more destructive. What they do is that if they find motion sensing lights, they'll go out of the way to deactivate them. With our case here, they started off by pushing the lights down to the ground,

so they wouldn't light the air up. And then later on, they went to getting a stick and ramming it in through the passive infrared sensor, wheeling around the tools totally demolished. So they do was, oh, the other thing they did too was disconnect to power. So these things, particularly things like what they do is they're in the bush day and night. Merv told us that, don't think they're not around during the day. So during the day they're sitting there and you're putting up in motion sensing lights and they're watching what you're doing and they're watching very closely.

And they realize that whatever that thing is on the side that's hanging down there is an important component. And they'll go and investigate and they'll muck around with it and they'll find out that by doing that it will stop the life from working. My goodness, there's so many similarities. It's wild between what we're experiencing over here and what you all have experienced over there. Something that is... I'll be here for a second.

Yes, go ahead. That's an important, very important point, because that's what people say on the tunnel. The similarities, the behaviors in particular, between Yowie, the three-type. of Yale and the American Bigfoot are so close, they must be the same animal. But they're not. They just have the same behaviors, which perhaps we'll get on to more depth later on. But that's an important point you mentioned. It is very, I remember reading through your book, and I was like, it's very weird because, yeah, as you just stated, it doesn't look the same.

Like, it's different, but it acts similar. Do you guys get reports of there being, some people over here report there being a form of telepathic communication. Is that anything that's reported between these three and humans over there? No, but, no, some people talk about it, but not me. The main thing is I think that they're so smart. That's what is peat telepathic. If you're walking towards the camera and they know what a camera is, they run away. And so they're actually communicating to you.

We used to have them communicate back to us, for example. Fatfoot used to go, muck, muck, which I think was a warning, because one time I went muck, walk back to her, she got upset and yelled it back at me. And then the third time I had to go back as far as I could, and she just bellowed at me. Mom, mom, blah. Yeah, telepathic, but I think they rely pretty heavily still on voice. Okay.

Interesting. But the thing is that they've learned things like, have a very strong understanding of how people work. One of my favorite things with Fatfoot was, and with new people who would come into the area, was that they would break a branch off a tree. So you have a large branch, large dunger branch. and put my hand on it and just break it off because they're very powerful.

And then everybody who hears this would say, there's something wrong with that sound. You think about it. Then after you thought about it, while you realise what it is, you didn't hear the branch hit the ground. You just hear the branch, shh, that. And then silence.

And then you put it two and two together, and you go, that was a deliberate branch being broken off. Now that's missing. with your mind. They do things like that. Another example might be, for example, if you're tracking one, they'll throw a branch or a rock in front of it, the other thing, and then you go back in the front, and then they'll turn around and go the opposite way. It's a pretty simple one. It's so similar, Neil. It's crazy. The behavior is very similar. I can't get over it. Yeah, both intelligent. That's the reason why. Yeah, absolutely. Over the years,

Have you had any visual sightings yourself of any of the three? Yeah, I had a really good daytime siding of Janjani, which I drew a picture of, and it's in the book. And it turned out that there was another daytime siding by a woman 150 years ago, and our two descriptions matched. That was the one with the face, almost humans like face, but it has two yellow wings around the eyes. So daylight savings. I've had them with Fat Foot in the early days mainly because Fatfoot didn't realize what our limitations were

and we didn't realize what our limitations were either. So we had a greater chance of having a visual encounter as the days and weeks and months and years went by the chances of having an encounter diminished rapidly. The only thing is that recently, see Fatfoot finally died because I've made predictions about her death several times. She finally died in February, 2020.

And the reason why she died, I'm sure she died on that occasion because I had thought she'd prophesied to die earlier. It was because of the fact that one night we had some foot thumping, but I listened to it was in the house, and I thought, said to Sandy went, this foot thumping is very soft. It's always pathetic, like it's struggling to do it. And then after that, we never saw it. fat foot ever again. So I think she was coming up to say goodbye. So there's too much detail here

to try and cover everything. But in the case of the foot thumping, what we would do was we had to respond. So when she did a foot pump like this and then she'd do it every minute, really loud. If I didn't respond, she would keep on doing that all night. And the response had to be, in our case, was turning the outside light on and off three times. Click it on, on, on, on, and then she would stop doing it because that was a signal to her say, I've heard what you said and I'm not coming outside because we used to go out and play with it. That was the main thing with using signals. There was something else I was going to tell you.

I think it's a good thing. You alluded to it is that in this book there's so much detail. We're not going to cover even a fraction of it. in this interview. There is so much information in this book. I really recommend that the listeners pick up a copy of it and I'll have how to do that in the description. But it's just, it's an incredible book. You'll learn a lot about what's going on over there in Australia. These three creatures, are they only found in Australia or are they found in other places as well in the region? I have one researcher that I respect.

And he said he saw one in New Guinea, which makes sense because New Guinea was 12,000 years ago, was attached to Australia at Queensland. They were attached like Tasmania was. So there's no reason why they should have gone into New Guinea. The only difference might be the fact that these things are very heat sensitive. They don't like hot weather, probably like your big foot. They like to live in high mountains and cool areas.

This is why to live in a great dividing range here because they go down the plains. It's not a nice thing for them. They prefer to be cool. Whether there are other places. They have ranges, like for example, Quinkham because of their size and because they're rainforests.

It seems like they're rainforest animals. You only really find them on the east coast of Australia and the mountain ranges. Dooligar found from Western Australia to Eastern Australia. They're basically everywhere, the same with Junji. So there are certain limitations with them. But yeah, what else? Yeah, it's made it for it.

Do you have any favorite investigations that come to mind over the years where you've been brought into trying to figure out what's happening with it, or maybe talking to a person that's having interactions with any of the three that we're talking about today? Yeah, once again, so many, because we used to have, especially the octopals, we'd have reports probably three a week. Wow. There wasn't any shortage. People used to say, how can you have three a week?

These things, first of all, they don't exist. And secondly, you know how you have so many reports of them. I said, these people, they don't know each other. They just report to, they report to members of the octopus. And the octopus members ring me up and say, this is what happened last night. I'd hop in the car and I'll drive it down and I'd interview to poor buggers because half the time to be absolutely terrified. For example, I think it was an example was a real woman who went outside

and she turned on the light and there was a big fella, a good hairy man standing there and she said she could see his penis. She was absolutely terrified by the whole process. There were other reports too that there's no end on. My favourite one probably is the one that happened to me in the early day. or quite a number of them, but one was when I was out living in the bush, I was out of a wheat and sheep station, 15,000 acres, no one around. And one night's come back from my holidays and I came back and I found that my pigeon

coop, which I had built underneath the water tank, all the pigeons were dead because the water tank had collapsed for some reason and killed the birds and something got out. and the whole area was written off. I spoke to Ned, the farmer. I said, look, Ned, he can do something about the water supply. We haven't got any water again. So Ned was a good bloke. He went and bought a brand new concrete tank

and came with a bobcat the next morning and cleared the area. Got rid of all the rubbish. You put a brand new water tank in. And then carted some water from in town and filled up our water tanks. Oh, thanks Ned, great bloke. That night, I was woken up approaching

midnight to the sound of something outside. Now this house was a double brick house. It's a farm house. It's built solidly, shall we say. And it was a keep the heat out and various other things, very high ceilings. And it's still like it here through the bricks. I thought, whatever this is as big. And I didn't realize, had made the connection. And then I heard footsteps on the wooden veranda. Now, the footsteps were very heavy because the floorboard which were pretty solid, the hardwood floorboards started to creak. Now, they normally didn't creak at all. They would have any creek. And then the next sound, it's a sound like whatever, it was coming up to my window.

So I slid my self up against the window and I was sleeping on the floor and then gradually sat up in bed. and as soon as I did, this thing took off whatever it was and ran across the verand into the paddocks. As a result of that, I thought, gee, this sounded really scary like it was a big person because it was definitely on two legs. It wasn't a sheep or anything like that. So I ran into the kitchen, turned every light on.

I drew out two kitchen knives and held them, and then rang the manual exchange to ring up when I spoke to one of my students and said, anyone over here, there's something going on. I need some help now. So I went and stood out in the paddock with two knives with all the lights on. This kept turning around and make sure nothing was sneaking up on me.

And eventually the other teachers arrived and relieved me. And then when they put their cars around where it were, and turned the high beams on. Or we could see all these muddy footprints going up onto the verand and then down off the other side. I, once again, at that stage, I wasn't aware of these things. It wasn't the yell, you're there. I still thought maybe this is an intruder

because they were footprints, weird footprints, but there were still footprints. And I went and spoke to all the people in the town. I went to go to the pub. There's nothing else to do. I'm going to the pub, nothing to do it all day to do it. And so I'm going to the pub and talk to them. And the people who talked most about it were the truck drivers.

The truck drivers would say, they'll be driving along all these in the areas. you don't go through because he said they would run across in front of their trucks during the night he said we'd do a dash this big hairy thing will just built across in front of the trucks or they'd get out of urinate and turn around and stop standing behind them or they'd be asleep in the truck and then something would grab hold of that truck is that trying to move behind you be rigged and they would shake the truck to run these were quite common things that start to make you see maybe there's something in this I need to investigate this bit more so there were that

was probably one that was stuck out pretty well probably the ultimate scary one for me was one night after Ian and I my neighbour my biker neighbour have been out chasing fatfoot through the scrub and we got back about midnight and we were sitting on the veranda and Ian said look I'm going to have to go to bed because I'm going to go to work and start working in the morning I said, okay, I'll see you later. So I sat up by myself and I thought, I'm going to sit out here. I'm going to test fat foot stamina in terms of how long it can put out with Lou Teaser. So I moved the table up against the edge of the veranda in the moonlight and the chair,

went inside a pack of smokes, six pack of beer, put it on the table and just sat there. So I had a smoke and had a beer and this went on for quite a lot. And this time's going by, I'm thinking, no, nothing much is going to happen here. So get the table and drag it further across into the moonlight so they can see me clearly. And then eventually, after this really long period of doing this thing, fat foot spat the dummy. And she got up and she shook these trees. Now, I don't know familiar with Australian trees, but they're harbonds and there are very solid trees. And this was only an eight-inch diameter tree.

It wasn't like a pine tree. It was eight inches diameter, but very solid. And in the moonlight, I could see this Australian Euclip tree whipping through a 90 degree arc like this. And then it moved across to another one and did the same. And then it kept them both going. It must have had been running around pushing all the trees to keep the motion up amongst the whole lot of them. And then it stormed off down into the valley and all the dogs erupted. So I went down to the swamp to try and encourage it and say,

I'm sorry to them stir you up like that. She wouldn't come back. She just spat it. And what could hear was the dogs barking down the valley for the next five or ten minutes. But just emphasise how strong this animal was, relatively strong. To be able to do that to the trees, because next morning when I went to the trees, you can see where you had been pushing on the tree. But I put my weight behind it.

I could barely do it. If I started rocking out, I could barely move enough and know where we need what Fatfoot could do. I thought that's a scary animal. That is extremely intense. That's like it was me. After that, things like that scared me so much. I used to carry a tomahawk down the back of my trousers. And I knew I was going to go, yeah, we're hunting at the night time.

And then he would say, he was a stirer, he would say, now when you got to Trump, Tomahawk down the back of your trousers for? I said, oh, in case we needed, in case we need to self-defend. He said, you're wasting your time. your time. They'll absolutely waste your time because if you use that that tomahawk on Fat Foot,

all you're going to do is get a cranky. You're better off in that case if you use the Tomahawk on yourself because it'll be a lot quicker and a lot less painful. Oh dear. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Have there ever been any videos

taken of Fatfoot over the years? Yeah. On page two, I think, of the book. There's a black or white photograph. I made my own game camera because back of those days, you couldn't get a game camera. So he had to make your own if you wanted one. So I made one using a film camera, high speed film, car starter motor, solar load off that, connected the cable release onto the end of that, a car battery, a passive infrared sensor and some flood legs. So what happened is anything went through the standard beam of the passive infrared, it would

set off the lights and then it will set off the car solvenoid on starter motor you'll push the cable and take one photograph per night and doing that and they should get a photograph of fatfoot's face and that's what's on the cover there is based on that photograph is yeah that's where it came from i think i've got it here it's a pretty crude photo people say can't you do that all that i said you can go and get your own exactly you can go get your own exactly you can go get your own. That's awesome. So we've alluded to it a few times. Do you have any thoughts about the behavior of these three being so similar to what's reported with the behavior of the Bigfoot in North America? Because they're all intelligent. And things they all have in common like us is

they've got two hands. They've got a highly developed brain, whatever it is even a reasonable brain. They walk on two legs. That's the basic end. because in having two hands it means the hands are being freed from quadruped from walking on four to walking on two biped and the two hands are then used to manipulate which means they can use tools means that they can basically do the same as what we can do so that become they're intelligent because of the fact that they have the tools physical ability to do it to do complex tasks and And that's probably the main reason why you would say that the same.

The other reason is of what's called convergence in nature. A lot of animals that are not biologically related. So, for example, you're flying squirrel and our sugar glider. You have a little bit of them. They look pretty simply to each other. But one's a marsupil and one's a placental. One's in North America. One's in Australia.

So they're on opposite sides of the planet. They've been separated from each other for who knows how many millions of years, but they still have the same physical characteristics. But more importantly, they also have the same behavioral character. They behave almost identically. I did that in the book. I read all the characteristics of flying squirrel and then all the characteristics of sugar gliders

and did that with other things like the thylacine and dogs. It's convergent evolution. If an animal lives in the same environment as some other animal for a long enough period of time, they will both eventually develop or evolve techniques or physical characteristics to make them cope in that environment. So that's basically the reason why they look very similar and why they behave very similar. That's a simple answer. That's extremely interesting. A few of my listeners might be wondering, is there a place to...

Is Octopus, is it still a running organization, and is there a place to, like how we have with the BFROC reports that are given, is there a public way that people can see the reports, or is it more that the reports were taken and they're not really in a public forum? It is a closed network. Okay. So what happened, we didn't share it with anybody. A lot of, not long, but a number of these forums do it to collect data, information, swap stories, and they tend to become a little bit contentious over a period of time because people have disagreements. In the case of the octopus, it was very congenial. It was never really problems because people would talk to each other.

rather than the deadliest thing in my opinion is electronic communication. I mean, Apple and the iPhone has a lot to answer for. It's physical face-to-face communication is the important way. So I believe in the old-fashioned methods of communicating. They have less problems. You don't have arguments. Everything is a lot smoother to operate. And that's how we operate with the octopus.

So we get people ringing up. And people did it a bit for simple reason, not do they want to fade or they want to have a see how many hits they got on the website. They did it because they knew that what they were doing was making a difference. It was making a difference to some people's lives, in some case because they'd lived through the same problem. And so by doing this was making life easier for those poor bastards. And also it was, they felt that the research being carried out was ethical. And a lot of ethical issues was some of these. groups. Some of them want to, I don't approve of groups that want to go out and blow them away

with a gun, just simply say they can prove it. We had that with the police here. Once again, we need to stop. We had the police here. We got them in the early stages because we were very scared that no one would believe us. And they were particularly, we were very scared with Merv told us that when your children could go missing. Now, I don't know how, for me, any of you Americans are, with the classic Australian case of the dingo taking a child's baby. But there was a case here, sorry? I can comment on, so I would say, I guess talking for the American culture, the most that we know about that is because it was referenced in Seinfeld back in the 90s. There you go.

Anyway, you know what I'm doing about the dingo took a child. And the woman, the mother said, it wasn't her, it was the Dingay came into the tent and took a baby. They locked her up. Wow. They locked her up. And that was the evidence. There was no real evidence to it.

And then they claimed that she must have killed the baby on circumstantial evidence. And then years later, when she was acquitted, they found out when DNA got more sophisticated, they found out that the blood samples they had didn't match in various other things. and it wasn't her fault. She wasn't the cause of the problem. That scared us a bit, so we thought that we need to be a little bit careful with things like that. Absolutely, no, that makes sense. You're walking on thin ice, it were.

It was the fact that we turn to get the police to help us in the early states. We have the Aborigines, but we needed it. We thought maybe we need the police. You can imagine the police response to us saying we've got a yelling. You can probably imagine what it would have been like. They didn't believe. And so we had a procession of people coming down to our house to experience it. I had one bloke who was particularly interesting because he had a few encounters

and he thought there's something in this. And then one night, his last night down there, he came with me down to the back. And I said, it's over there. You might be able to hear it. And then you could hear noises or whatever. And I said to him, look, I'm going to go and wander over and have a chat to it. You're welcome to come. I think you'll be right as long as you come quietly and you can experience his firsthand.

And he said to me, now, there's no way you're going to get me over there and I'm packing a gun. He said, I'm not going over there under any circumstances. So with the police, that was one of the incidents, but they all experience. the standard ridicule. So back at the police station they had, all the cartoons put up on the wall saying something about yowls, blah, blah, blah. And so it was quite traumatic for them too. But then we had the sergeant of police a few things, and he checked out the eyes. I had a photograph of the eyes. And he looked at and said, oh, it's a fox mate. I said, no, problem. Here's the photograph. There's the camera I took it on. There's a chair. You and the constable going to figure it out

yourself. And then after about 10 minutes and a lot of swearing, they came back and said, this thing is six foot tall. I said, that's right. He said, what is this thing? I said, you tell me. So we had that. And then the police switched over, their attitude, it became, we're going to blow it away. So then they came in and said, we're going to have a stakeout, and they came in with high-powered rifles and hollow-tip bullets and all these sorts of nasty things. And they came into a house, and I said, what are you doing? I said, we're going to shoot this thing. I said, no, you're not. I said, you're not going to shoot this thing for the sake of it. We don't need to prove it. And he says, he said, don't you want this problem solved?

Yeah, but not by killing the thing. This thing's really smart. And it's not worth killing it. You're not going to do it. And so my wife, I went and had an emergency meeting in the bedroom, and then came back after a while, because we decided we had big enough trouble trying to shoot it with a camera, let alone and then trying to shoot it with a gun. So we thought, to go along with this thing. So we told the police that we weren't going to cooperate. It was up to then what they did. So they went out there and they ended up talking to all the neighbors around here.

And all they came back and said, I don't know what's going on down here. We've got a lot of support in this valley. I said, because they're all octopus members as there is all. But someone else is a he's stuff on here. I think I could be here for all the day. So I think I'll call quits at that stage. So the area where you have,

of the Fat Foot encounters, even though Fatfoot is not no longer with us, do you think there's still interactions with Dula Gals that happen in that same area? Yes, the reason one way is because of the 1st of December last year at 5 past 10, I had a daylight signing of Dula Gale about 50 meters away to the north of our house scratching a tree up. Now, that was, as we call it jokingly here, son of Fassette. Fatfoot. We had, and that was a date on such. So the answer to that is yes, we, when we had Fatfoot around and very active in the early days, we'd have a lot of the neighbours involved, suppose you'd call it, community watch. So when would we be outside, other neighbours would be as well,

and I get telephone calls the next day. And what happened was one night, one morning I got a phone call from a neighbour up the road and said, I saw you and Ian last night outside. Yeah, we're hunting. I said, we all say what we do it frequently. And he said, you know you missed her? I said, no, he didn't. He said, yes, you did. I said, okay, why did we miss Fatfoot? And he said, because I saw you falling her down, heading down to the swamp, and she was up here at the top, near my place, standing behind a tree, turning, looking at me and looking at you two down the bat. So then we realized that there's at least two. And it turned out we thought there were three we thought that she had I understand the Joey's little ones that she was bringing up

as well there's yeah it had clear maratium nature abhors a vacuum so whenever something leaves something else moves in behind so when fat foot was getting weaker and that was happening for last decade or so notice of it weaker which even though i recognized we had junjody moving in behind behind. So we had increasing Junjidi activity as soon as Fatfoot started getting weaker. Because obviously Fatfoot being the large powerful woman, she would be a matriarch. She would defend her territory and included it from Junji. And as soon as she wasn't up for the scraps, the Junji moved in. So it's a standard thing.

We had a lot of examples that are around in the mountains. We have, for a period of time, we have a dominant male, female, or whatever, Quinkin, judging you or whether it's a dual egal, and then things seem to change, and then different characteristics, different behaviours appear, and you get different types of sightings.

So it's a constant state of flux. You get, it must happen anywhere in nature anyway, that sort of behaviour. I can't wait until this episode is released, and it'll be very interesting to see what this brings in, because this is a whole new world of things

When I was reading your book, the first time I was like, this is all incredible. I can't believe I really haven't heard any of this. Over here in North America, especially the U.S., we have a focus right now on trying to break the genetic code of the Bigfoot. Is there anything like that going on over in Australia with these three creatures as well? Yeah, we're trying to do the same thing here, of course. It's in the book as well. I talked about DNA in our attempts to try and do that. We actually got hold of three hair samples from a barbed wire fence down on the edge of our property.

And as a photograph, we can see the bar, and you can see these three orange airs coming out of the wire. Now, what orange is significant is because orange is an adaptation, genetic adaptation to low light levels. Orange hair allows more light to travel through the hair to the skin, which is, vitamin D. So anything with orange hair tends to be come from a low light environment. Anyway, we had these three orange hairs and at that time back in the early 90s, DNA was in its infancy, infancy and we couldn't find anyone who would analyze it for us. And the closest we came to was biological hair analysis or microscopic hair analysis by looking at the scales of the hairs, they can tell what time of that.

all it isn't. So we thought, oh, we'll give that a go. So stupidly, I gave this, and now, and I was through the hairs. If you're living alone, I should have only given a woman. Probably shouldn't have any, but I gave her one, I gave her all three. And when I rang up to find out what the outcome was, she just said, oh, it's nothing. So what do you do? I think it's a cat. Okay, it's a cat. Can I have my hairs back? I said, oh, no, I was. throw them all the bin and I said how do you throw up the bin I mean they're hair samples so I weren't very early on be very careful with any samples you do get I then had I was lucky enough to get oh the other point about that too microscopic hair analysis has been discredited

highly discredited by your FBI the old FBI the FBI has been an unreliable method of doing analysis for hairs but anyway the other thing I found out it's a good idea to do do is we do blind samples so if you do something like that you don't tell them what you've got the forehand otherwise they just closed down on ice a cage there's totally contempt for what you're doing a lot of people try it up you're doing that but it's really hard to get samples i think in the early days like with the hair the only three orange hairs which was an early day example if you want to have evidence you've got to get it very early on because with our ones as they say they learn and we've always say they as we were learning from them they were learning from us and so anything

that we showed curiosity in they would tend to be more cautious with particularly juncture but also do they're doing a smart animal here they're not dumb don't make a mistake of thinking they're just like something or something whatever it is these things here quite smart and they react to what you do they react quite positively to actions you take so we learned that If you do something, you're going to do it early on. And probably the other bit of advice I give to American people is we used to always use passive methods. Running around the bush with a torch is not a good idea

because they very quickly learn that a torch or sorry, a flashlight. We'll blind people, will blind them, and they don't like being blinded because they're very sensitive night vision. They learn that anything that looks like a reflector, that means like a flashlight reflector or in a camera flash unit anything silver reflective turn away and don't look at it and move away from it so they learn very quickly to avoid things like that as I say you've got to get in early to do anything and passive is the only way to do it that's why recording was good audio

recording in the early days we used tape recorders and the problems with tape record is that the batteries die with temperature decrease and you've got probably large problems with temperature decreases so as the temperature goes down your batteries drop out the other problem of course is sound I used to wrap hours in tape recorder in Gladwrap in order to waterproof it and then in a cloth around the outside of that to firmly insulate it and also have to try and get in any sound and then put it in a steel container and bury it in the ground with an external microphone on the outside.

Ultimately, that was the only way to try and make a tape recorder. I'm talking about mechanical tape recorder, passive enough. But with the progression of technology over time that we were doing this, we ended up having things like, and we call them solid state drives. Now there's no mechanical parts in that thing. The certain doesn't produce any sound, and they're more economical with electricity, with power usage. So as soon as you had things like those sort of recorders, it was brinked.

The problem was largely solved. Light is a problem. As I said, we used to use flashes. And the problem we found out is even when we used automated flashes, the thing was that they would recognise the reflector. They would see the LED, so it would tape over the LEDs. They'd hear the thumb of the capacitors charging up in any number of things. So we always had to think in terms of anything we did had to be passive.

One thing which I used was for tracking was always a problem. How did you track passively? And the way I got around that particular problem was we're using cotton three. And I don't use standard American-made cotton thread. Use Chinese cotton thread because it's very weak and it will break very quickly. And the cotton thread, I used to stretch it between trees. and then anything that passed through there would tell me that somebody

had moved through there during the night and by doing simple variations on having thread at different heights you can work out not only which that something was going through there but you could work out what the height was

and to modify it even further if you only anchored one end of the thread when it went through and picked up the thread it would trail it So you then got the height of the animal, you got the fact that went through the animal, wiped it out, and the direction it was going. So we ended up, a very short period of time, was trying to keep track of all these threads. So we end up having to get different kinds of threads, different colors for different days or different weeks in order to differentiate between all the types of thread we had.

But it worked really was a passive method of track. That's really smart. Yeah, I think probably some people can take and learn from that as well. well that are listening to this that's super smart yeah i love that the empathy is definitely the only way to go and i said before you've got to get in early because i learned the same way that we do i made a list of characteristics that explain why these things aren't homines aren't humans oh yeah why they are mr you feel so a quick rundown if you like yes please first of all there's no anthropological or archaeological evidence of hominids in Australia.

In other words, there's no evidence of humans in Australia before the Aborigines. So no Homer Orectus, blah, blah, blah. And it's in greater detail of the book, if you have the patients to go through it all. They have black claws instead of flat pink nails. I've touched on that. The foot morphology, they've got three, four and five toes, which makes them definitely odd. They have visible canines, things.

Now they're also known as the eye teeth because they descend from directly below the eyes. So if you know the canine separation, you have a close approximation of the eye separation as well. Or it can be used to confirm the photograph you've got of the eye separation by measuring, off the canine measurements. But again, once again, let's mention the book. They have long legs and they take a long stride and consequently they're fast runners. Now like everything that's Australia, Australia works on efficiency because if you can't make it here, you're going to die. If the environment is too tough, so you can't waste energy.

So long strides mean you're going slow, hardly in the effort that you're troubling to be in distance. The thing is a different height and body masses with these things. And also the kinetics. If you look at the way which they move, their motion is a lot more. different to human motion. They've got night vision, obviously. They have red eyes. They secrete redopsin on the back of the retina,

or the front of the retina, which increases the sensitivity of the rods to light, which means I can see in the dark. They have, you might find this one surprising. They have a vertically slit pupil, so like a cat's eye. Oh, God. Wow. Most people in the witnesses, when they see it,

They say they have black eyes. There's nothing there like a bottomless pit. And it's a reason for it, not only do I have black vertically slit eyes, which you need for controlling the light very accurately in day and night. It's a better method of doing it. And there's also things with cigar to hunting animals at night. But we go into that. You have to read the book to do that.

So I don't see good. They also have, they have a white scolera. Now, with our eyes, they have white around their pupils. The reason why is that humans are a social animal, and monkeys are and apes are too, and big foot ears as well. And they're social because having a white sclero means that you can tell what you're looking at. When you move your eye off to the side, you can say, you're a permanent at that. It means what is not taking your interest.

These don't have that. So the non-social animal, which makes a lot of sense because they tend to be solitary. Also, white squittery gives away your position at night so if you're hunting. They breathe in sync with their movements and when they run, their breathing is in out, in out. That's the same thing that kangaroos have because it doesn't make sense if you're jumping in the bush. If you're landing on the ground, you don't want to be breathing in as you're landing.

You want to be exhaling and the same as when you take off, you want to be breathing in. Now, these things tend to have a synchronised breathing pattern too. They also pant because kangaroos, because they have trouble trying to control their body temperature, like a dog, they have to rely on panting. And these things, if you chase them during the night time and you stress them out, you'll hear them panting like a dog in the bush. Now, I don't know many aides to do that. They're also facultive quadrupedids, which means that they walk.

on all four legs or two legs and two arms when they feel like it. Now we're obligate bipeds, which means we're obligated to walk on two legs because it doesn't make sense using our arms. These things are faculty bipeds. They have a choice. They can run on two legs, which they do most at all because that tends to be more efficient for them. But quadrupedipaternity if they're going to go super fast, they go dropped to all fours and they

and dealt along. Yeah, there's more to that I'm not going to worry about it. What are things can I tell you? Oh, they're superhuman physical performances. They've got very athletic, like kangaroos. Kangaroos used to amaze the early settlers because they could outrun the dogs that were set on them.

The dogs are trying to run them down, and they just keep on going. The dogs are the panted and worn out. These things would be up on the hill and wave them saying, you can't get me. It was a classic example of one of a kangaroo that ran for I can't remember six, eight kilometers, five miles, and then the dog was cornered it on a peninsula and so that rather than surrendering it killed, it jumped into the water and swam for another two miles and then

turned around because it wasn't getting anywhere and came back before finally got killed. And when it got killed, it puts back up against the tree to protect us back from them, attack from behind. Amazing. Their body temperature is 30% lower than placentals, so their metabolism is very low. And once again, that's a very Australian characteristic of marsupials, because low body temperature means greater efficiency. You don't need to eat as much food if you're burning less of it.

So how I achieved, how I measured that was using a flur, or I'm saying a simple flur I use in this. You get a great scar reading from 0 to 100, so it's basically a percentage. Stick it on the Mac, get colour slurp, I think I used, and hover the mouse over the pixel your internet, which in this case was the head, the hottest part of the mouse pupil. And then from that it says, and this. This pixel was 8.9 degrees hotter than the rest and then add the ambient temperature,

so whatever the outside temperature was, and it gives you the body temperature at the surface. And in most cases, it was about 30 degrees lower than what was a percent of would be. I used foxes and rats as an example to get measurements off then. Once again, you need to read it. to itself with a book and then, of course, things like you've got to absence of breasts. Placetals have breasts, marcipials don't because they feed from nipples inside their marsupium. Number one out. That is, that's, so there, that's great evidence for it being marsupial, absolutely.

But what a conversation, Neil, my goodness. How can people pick up a copy of Batfoot? If they would like to jump into all, my goodness, let's look real quick, 715 pages. Yeah, if they're that way inclined, then probably Amazon. Amazon, all through the publisher of the website, but probably Amazon would be the best way to do it. There's two versions of it because of the fact that we printed originally in color, because I said to the publisher, I wouldn't have been half decent. I want it on decent paper and not rubbish.

He printed it that way, but it came back to be very expensive. So the end result was we did a second edition, which is lower quality paper and in black and white, which is good for the, it forms of function, but it's cheaper. Now, you make up your own mind, we think it's worthwhile spending the extra money, but I think it's worthwhile buying the colour version.

It doesn't make any difference to me in terms of a royalty. I get the same royalty, So I'm not pushing it for that sake. But I think for your sake, you'd be dead there if you got the colour version. But if you haven't got the money, black and white, okay, for that one. If there are listeners, maybe even from over in Australia, that have things that they would like to report, is there a way that they can reach out to you?

Are you still actively taking reports? No, not since I retired. All right. I still get reports, nowhere near as many. but I'm not active in the field anymore. I've accomplished everything I wanted to accomplish. I think I've satisfied myself. I know everything about them.

I'm absolutely 100% certain I know what they are, and I certainly know what they're not. And so there's not much purpose of me continuing on. So no, I haven't done any more research on that one. Hopefully, I've put out the call in the book for someone to take on the task. I would like Aborigines to do it themselves, because they have a lot of stories to tell and now one will say anything. They won't say anything because it's forbidden knowledge.

It's knowledge that you have to be in Aboriginal or you have to be initiated or whatever the excuse is. You don't tell average people this information. So I'd like Aborigines to come out of a shell and I'd like them to actually write about this. I'll certainly get plenty of support for me. and I'm sure I love other people as well. Absolutely. I hope that does happen someday.

And if listeners do have things they would like to share, they're welcome. They can always send me an email as well. It's Beefat Society at gmail.com. Neil, I feel this has been a very interesting conversation. I think my listeners have learned a ton about Australia and what is going on there with the Yowie. more specifically the Doologal, the Quinkin, and the Junjody. And thank you for spending some time with us today and for sharing your years and years of research and investigation.

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