Bigfoot Society - Beyond Bigfoot with Ryan Edwards!

Episode Date: January 14, 2025

In this engaging episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast, host Jeremiah Byron discusses cryptozoology with Mr. Ryan Edwards from San Antonio, Texas. The episode focuses on Ryan’s latest book, 'Beyond Bigfoot: The Unrecognized Primates of North America,' highlighting intriguing accounts of mysterious primates like devil monkeys, gugwe, and North American apes. The conversation covers primate sightings across regions, and the importance of combining old-fashioned zoological research with modern-day findings. Ryan also shares personal experiences and observations from his field research, emphasizing the need for continuous exploration and education in the field of cryptozoology.Resources:Beyond Bigfoot: The Other Unrecognized Primates of North America by Ryan Edwards - https://amzn.to/4j15Wpd (Amazon affiliate link - helps support Bigfoot Society)Contact Ryan:https://www.facebook.com/RyanEdwardsCryptozoologistEmail: [e-mail]🔴 Subscribe to our Youtube channel and leave a comment here: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Share your Bigfoot encounter with me here: [e-mail] to call in and leave a voicemail of your encounters for the podcast - Check this out here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsociety(Use multiple voice mails if needed!)Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: [e-mail]

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and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to patreon.com forward slash the Bigfoot Society. And now let's get on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. We've got the privilege of talking to Mr. Ryan Edwards today. He's a cryptosologist from San Antonio, Texas. You may remember Ryan was back on the podcast. Oh, man, maybe even a few years ago now when his first book came out, I believe.

But we're having him back on to catch up. And he's also got some new things cooking. So how are we doing today, Brian? Doing good. Great to be on. Awesome. Oh, man, I want to say right off the bat, the new book that you've got out, the Beyond Bigfoot, the other unrecognized primates of North America, it is very cool. It is not, I would say it's different from your normal Bigfoot book, but it's a book that needed to be written.

And it is just so cool how, I don't think this is giving too much away, but you were able to take research that was done a long time ago by people. people such as Lauren Coleman and connect that to current day. And there's a lot of reports in there that I, myself, hadn't even seen before. So, man, some really cool stuff in this book. I appreciate it. Honestly, when it comes from me in writing books, with Sasquatch books especially, I'm like, everything's already been written about. So I try to bring up books out like, hey, what hasn't been written about yet?

And the animals and cryptos are bringing up in this book, I feel heaven. gotten a book yet. So that's the reason I wrote this. Yeah, exactly. And I'll, you know, for example, there are multiple parts to this book, but one of them I found very interesting was the whole devil monkey thing because I've done, it's come up every once in a while and interviews on this podcast, but man, it's hard to find resources about stuff like this. I'm glad that you took the time to put it together. What was your main motivation in going back in, and writing another book, but this time about these unrecognized primates. Pretty much, I always think of this book as a good follow-up of my second book,

Saskatch Free History. That one goes into deep, deep research into the Sasquatch, and there are possible evolutionary origins, prehistoken North America, stuff like that. And while looking at Saskatch in recent years, we've probably both seen that type chart of like the 10 types of Bigfoot, the Patty type, go time, all that stuff. And I looked at that. I'm like, how can we break this down morphologically? How can we break this down zoologically? So are there 10-touch of Sasquatch? No. It's very unlikely

for primates, high-older primates that have a lot of subspecies. So I was like, okay, so let's look at it. And then the three that mainly bring, get brought up are devil monkeys. That's a well-known the crypticine throughout North America. That's been researched since the 60s since Mark A. A. Hall and Owen Coleman. And in recent years, we've been getting a new variety, like a variety of quote-unquote Sasquatch. You get the guggooey phenomena. These saskatch like species with a mandrel-like muzzle. And then we also have the North American ape. N apes are seen as more chimpanzee-like. This is a well-known creature worked with Juan Coleman. If you know the Destiter Illinois footprints, it's a

a sash torch-like footprint, but with a divergent big toe. And this is a cryptor that really hasn't been talked about recently. I was like, okay, let me break this down, see what these creatures could be. And also, what's the likelihood of them? Like, am I suggesting this four unknown species of primate roaming North America? Most likely, no. But let's go on the idea of like speculative evolution of like, if these creatures were real, what would they look like?

What would our evolutionary origins be? And then we do have sightings of them. Could these be misidentifications? Could these be another species we just don't know about yet? And that's really what brought me into this book. It's a book where I learned a ton from Ryan, especially with the NAEP part, with those tracks, because I've seen them over the years,

some that got sent to me. And I was always like, man, this just feels like it's not the normal big footprint. and like something's off here. And now you're able to present this like, yeah, this is what's going on here. And actually I had an individual Harley Owens that captured a track that is very close to this nape where it has that one toe branching out to the side like that. It's exactly what it is that he captured down in Tennessee.

And this is very recent. So I think you're doing a great service to the community for bringing this stuff out into the open again because as we both know, it doesn't take long for a community like this to maybe forget things that have been discovered

in earlier years like Lauren Coleman and Mark Hall brought to light. Yeah, like that's one thing too, especially with just my research in general, is that I very much am a person that I look at the past.

I'm what I call myself an old-fashioned cryptosurologist. I look at the zooltural tool field I look at the biological fields. I put myself in like a researcher very much similar to like how Bernard Hooverman's was. Ivan T. Sanderson, Lauren Coleman, Ken Gerhardt in the modern day, Laude Blackburn. Because I try to begin to like, okay, nowadays, at least for modern cryptozoology and modern Bigfoot research, it's got muddied up so much by UFOs and the paranormal field and supernatural.

I'm like, wait, no, let's bring out the zoology in cryptozoology and let's look at the animals. Let's look at the old-fashioned research of like, okay, let's know the biological fields. Let's know primatology. And I am not classically trained in these fields, of course, but still you can bring out like, okay, let's see what we've learned from the past and bring it out into the modern day and hopefully bring out an kind of almost a revolution of, no, cryptozoology. is zoology at its basics. And that's really what my research tries to go after.

I love that. When you were doing research for this book, did you make any discoveries along the way that were like, wow, this is completely new to me? Or was it more just putting all the facts that you knew together in a handheld written book? Actually, there was a lot of discoveries made along the way. A lot of things that I learned.

that were very interesting to me. Like, for instance, not a lot of people realize that primates first evolved here in North America. Some of the first primates evolved around 66 million years ago. These were known as purgatorious. But then some well-known primates called Pleasia Dapper Forms. These are very much like lemurs, tossier-like primates, that died out about 37 million years ago. But they had a long lineage.

existed from like 66 to 37 million years ago. And then around 37 million years ago, Manae forms formed. These old lemur-like primates that roamed North America back in the Eocene. And I bring the idea of like, okay, so primates were here a long time ago, and we believe they died out around 37 million years ago. It's interesting.

Back around 26.3 million years ago, a primate called Eko Lashkalala. That means little catmen and sue. This primate just came out of nowhere. The last known primates from the false record were about 10 million years before this one. What did this creature come from? This idea is like what we like to call ghost lineages. Animals is the kind of pop out nowhere within evolution.

And especially with primatology, ask any good primatologist and biologists, they'll say we only know about 10% of all primates known to the world. So that really brings in the ideas of like, let's look at Pierce and spoken off-American and see if we could see primates evolving here in the more modern day of like the pliocene and replace the sea. It's extremely interesting, man, especially the whole Catman thing. When I was reading the book, I was like, oh, wow, this is a new one for me.

And definitely learning. And also I wanted to point out, I was reading through, I was making, man, it would be cool if there are some pictures. He's describing the pictures. And then you get to the back, there's some solid pictures. It's a great appendix in the back of pictures that are shouted out during the writing of it. So it's got great encounters. It's got also great pictures, some of which I don't think I'd seen at least one of them before.

Maybe I just wasn't looking in the right areas. But some really interesting stuff. the unrecognized primates that are called out in this book, have you actually yourself been out to try to do any field work to look into these primates or try to see them for yourself? What me, I have not, I've been in areas before that we've had sightings. For instance, I've done research in East Texas with Bigfoot, and there have been double monkey sightings in the same area.

But a lot of these creatures, for instance, the Gugwe, It's primarily seen in parts of Canada. And recent sightings have been spreading into the more Mississippi River Delta. But for me, field research is a secondhand step. It's like I try to do it as much as I can, but being a full-time educator and being very busy with my schedule, field research is not a large aspect of my research. A lot of it is the more academic side of it. looking at textbooks all day and looking at human anatomy postings like, okay, like what could these primates look like?

And I've been in areas where they've been seen before, but actually researching them in the field, I have not yet. We were talking about earlier before the, in the pre-interview, that you had actually made it up to the Red River, Texas area and experienced some interesting things, Maybe something that was a little bit out of the ordinary. Would you mind sharing about that? Of course, yes.

I recall Brown Springs. Good friends of mine, Texas Weston and Jason McLean, researchers were at Texas Front Porch. They've been researching out there for years now. And they've invited me out. And I was like, yeah, let me come along. Because they've gotten the Bigfoot signs out there. There's been dogman signs out there.

There's a haunted cemetery on top of the hill with a natural spring to it. So I was like, okay, they're some of their spooky sky place. Let me go check it out. And I was there with a couple of other young guys, a good friend of my Nick. And it was one night, we were like, okay, we had a thermal imager. And we're like, let's turn the field, turn the back of the field, see if we see anything pop up. And this is a phenomenon I've ever heard of, but I've never experienced myself. We turned this one corner.

We had all our windows down. We'll probably go on maybe 10 miles per hour in this car. all of a sudden, all the insects, all the noise has stopped out nowhere. And we were driving, and I referenced to the guys, I'm like, it got quiet, didn't it? And we just listen and just, there's no sound at all.

And there was a thermometer in the car. And we looked on the screen and went from, like, belief, like, from, like, 76 down to like 57 and, like, less of five minutes. So we felt the temperature change. and you just have that weird feeling of like there's something here that doesn't want us here. And this is a phenomenon we've had occurred with like Bigfoot sightings. And this part of the property we were on has had a lot of Bigfoot sightings in the past.

So was this conclusive evidence? No, but it was a weird experience. And also on that same expedition, we were in the back part of property as well. And this is right along the Red River. and I'll host texts. He said, yeah, this time of year, usually if there's any stats watching area, they're on the other side of the river on high ground.

And I'm not really sure what I heard, but I thought I heard about like a whoop, like almost like a howl in the distance. And didn't sound a canine, sound primate-like. And it was coming from the other side of the Red River. And I was like, I looked at the other guys out with me, and we're like, did you hear that? They're like, yeah, we heard that.

that too. Was it a possible auditory signing of a fast watch? It's possible. But I always try not to jump to conclusions because it's right on the edge of my hearing. I can't really make conclusions, but it did sound very primate like. That's interesting.

It's an area where it comes up every once in a while and there's some really intense things that can happen down near that area that have been reported. So maybe someday in the future I'll make it down there. Your viewpoint as a cryptisologist, when you're thinking of about this, you've stated

in your book, you have all these unrecognized primates of North America. Your viewpoint of Bigfoot then, is it similar to how you're viewing these other things, or are you viewing Bigfoot a little bit different as well than that? Oh, I view a Sasquatch Bay similarly. Like you stated earlier, This third book is a kind of a sequel to my second book, Saskharch's Prey History. Because with Saskwatch, I come at it from very much, I'm old-fashioned, I'm an aper. I believe it's an unknown ape. Unorganized Apesy in North America. I don't believe it's a human species.

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I came at Shastroft from very much a personal cleanse, Because my biggest issue with Bigfoot sightings is just the size of this creature. These animals are seen to be like 8 to 9 feet tall. And if anyone knows anything about with zoology, animals that are larger, animals that are most specialized, usually die out quicker. Look at the megal pharma species of Plyssestine in North America. They're almost older than extinct. I look at Sasquatch, not through a modern lens, but through a prehistoric lens. This is truly a piece of Paisozy and megafauna that most likely thanks to its intelligence

and thanks to its adaptations has been able to survive into the modern day. Like I reference in the book, people don't realize that grizzly bears have been around for like more than 10 million years. Grizzly bears live alongside mammoths. Why can't a Sasquatch? I bring in the ideas like what a Sasquatch evolutionary history, where could have come from? because these animals are animals. Every animal has their natural history, cryptic, or known species. I kind of speculate on where these animals came from.

What is their morphology, from like sightings, what's the behavior set? What can we get from sightings and what we see? And also, what is their ecology? If these are natural species living in the world, they have to fit in some type of niche. Are they an apex creditor? Are they an omnivore? are they a frugivore with Sasquatch and a lot of

these unknown primates, they're very much an apex omnivore. They're not a hyperconvore. They're not like a cat or dog. But they're very adaptable. They eat a wide variety of things. You can tell by the dentition. For instance, when people

referencing Sasquatch, I've heard eyewitnesses talk about kids calling Lincoln log teeth because they're very human-like teeth. From our own dentition, we can suspect, yeah, these animals are most likely highly adaptable with meat, hard nuts, stuff like that with having grinding molars. Because one big aspect of biology not that people look at is dentition, is a teeth.

If you know how animals' teeth look like, you can speculate on what that animal eats. You can speculate on their niche and also how they probably look like. So that's one thing I try to look at with Sasquatch, primarily is like the, ideas of like their biology because this is truly a biological species. Something that I have tried, trying to wrap my mind around how I feel about it, just because as I go along the last few years, talking to people daily, but also starting to go out to different areas and experience things, as an individual that their viewpoint of Bigfoot is,

is primarily, I would probably even say 100%, that it is an ape. How do you deal with reports where there have been individuals that say, I experienced something that I can't explain or heard something, or there seems to be something related to these reports that are not within the normal realm of science? Yeah. the more woo aspect of this field that has come out in recent years. Yeah, that's an aspect that I bring into my research. Like, for instance, a couple weeks ago,

I did an interview with Wes Germer of Saskatch Chronicles, and he brought up the woo. Like, what about all this aspect? And in my honest opinion, it's just, it's not where my research is. I acknowledge that the phenomenon does occur, but it's like trying to have me make a opinion on quantum of physics. If I don't know it, I'm not going to make an opinion on it. My research is primarily based in zoology and physical sciences. Yes, there is other phenomena occurring, but my research

doesn't go into it, so it's hard to make really an opinion on it. I acknowledge that there's other events occurring around these creatures being seen around the world, especially with such as far as phenomena. But even, like my good friends, Tex Weston and Jason McLean bring up, what if there's different phenomena occurring but with the same face? Like, what if there's something else occurring here that looks like Cess Watch but isn't a Cess Watch? And that's one thing I bring in with my research as well. Like, okay, there's other, like, when me being a general cryptosurologist, I just don't do Bigfoot.

I do all types of creatures. Like, from Bigfoot to Lock this Monster to I've had Thunderbird sightings, Mothman, Dogman. And researching these other cryptids makes me think like, yeah, there is something paranormal occurring, but with Sasquatch, there's too much for the physical side. There's too much for it being some kind of biological species to try to disprove it being something supernatural. Like, it makes sense biologically. So why would we throw the baby out with the bathwater once only other phenomena are occurring? Very interesting. Yeah, it'll be, I think we

you, man, I don't even know what's going to happen in 2025, to be honest. It feels like there's so much, I don't know, I hear a lot of things and there's a lot of behind the scenes research that's going on right now. I, man, I don't know. Maybe it's just me being overly positive and I would hope that this is the year where we get some really cool stuff that comes out, evidence wise. I think all of us hope that it feels like it may have been a while since. there's been something substantial.

But have you, are there any things of evidence that come to mind over the last few years that you've seen and thought were pretty cool? A piece of evidence for me, there's been a couple of sightings that have been interesting. For instance, I'm trying to think of one siding. I'm burning for it right now, but a lot of sightings recently have been very indicative of, like, a lot of private behavior. For instance, in Texas a couple of years back, there were, I believe it was by Houston, there were, in the story in the news, it was about a escaped chimpanzee out on the loose. And I was like, okay, a skate chimpanzee, that brings my interest.

And looking at it, I'm like, wait, these people are referenced like a chimpanzee that's six foot tall. I don't know what they're seeing, but I don't think they're the chimpanzee, guys. Like a lot of things like that. For instance, of course, one big piece of evidence that I'm looking at a little bit more now, thanks to a good friend of mine, is stick structures. Down here in San Antonio, good friend of mine, Rod Nichols, a bear can you Bigfoot, he's been bringing out more ideas of like these stick structures of Sasquatch building these fairly elaborate structures that don't look like they were made by humans. and I've gone out in the field with Rod and I've seen these in person. I'm like, no, this is something peculiar. This is something that this isn't human made.

That's like a piece of evidence with Sasquatch, I've never really looked into until seeing it in person. And I'm like, okay, no, like this might be something I might put a little bit more time and effort into researching. Absolutely. I'm glad that we were able to bring up Rod because I was just about to. I just had Rod Nichols on the show a few episodes back from Barrett County Bigfoot, of course, from around the same area where you're at in San Antonio. After that episode, there were many people that reached, more than a few, I'd say, that reached out saying, yeah, I am also having some weird stuff happen, sightings, class B stuff, just around these different areas of San Antonio.

Have you, besides going out with Rod in the field and looking at stick structures, have you run into anyone who's had encounters down there or been able to have any communication with people besides the stick structure related things? I've had some sidings. One interesting thing that's been bringing out a lot of eyewitnesses recently is right now in San Antonio, me and Rod and did a good friend of Auguster, Jordan, a megapologist. of curious realm we're doing an event series in San Antonio called Symposium of the Strange. It's based at a local restaurant and pretty much what it is. It's like a mini conference every two months. We've brought out King Gerhard before. We've brought out Alien Duck D. We brought out the Clean Brothers, the ghost hunting, like the ghost researchers. And when we're doing these events, we've had a couple people come up to us again. I saw this or I've heard of this before.

And I've been hearing a lot more eyewitness accounts and also not just Bigfoot accounts. Like, for instance, a couple of weeks ago, I got a siding with someone referenced the Lachusa in their siding. I know I've gotten even a dogman report in a couple of days ago, actually. So I believe right now it's helpful for us doing these events and talking to the community a little bit more

because, think, how many times do people see something weird? But they're like, who do I go to? They're not going to go to the cops with this. They're not going to, they might not even hear of a cryptos wall, just until they go to an event, hear someone talking about a big friend. Oh, I had a sighting. So I'm excited to see what else comes about of this. But yeah, I've heard a couple dog mail,

a couple of dog mail reports in this area before. You know, researcher based in San Antonio's world, a guy named Aaron Deese, very well known for his Texas dogman. Triangles book. Of course, Rod Nichols, Rod gets sightings a lot of people in the area, like people have been seen in the Berni area and San Antonio. And it's interesting to me because I've even brought this up Arrond before that. That's why in San Antonio does very, sounds very unlikely, but there is evidence for it. What I believe is happening down here in San Antonio is that we are a very large city, but we have a lot of creek and water waterways. Rod brings up just a lot of

Creek in his research. I think these animals are migratory. They're moving through San Antonio, moving through these areas, but they're not consisting there. They're not staying there to live. And that brings up the ideas of Bigfoot being migratory in the first place. Like, I believe these animals are highly migratory and have very large ranges. Because if you think of, like, how much calories this animal would need, how many square miles this animal would need. Like, we compare it to a black bear because this is an indicated species for Sasquatch. But I bring up that they would probably have a couple hundred miles at home range. And also they would probably need a caloric needs of like a large grizzly bear.

Being in one area consistently doesn't sound likely for an animal like that. Because if you look at bears and other animals like that, they have large home ranges as well. I think Sasquatch would be the same way. They're moving through areas, moving using, Creek ways. Because think Legend of our Creek, what did they say? They always follow the cricks. I believe these animals use these waterways

to get to areas that they need to get to resources and a hide away from humans as well. No, I agree with you as definitely with that statement. Are there any food resources that would be available for them around the

city of San Antonio that you found? Yeah, we actually have a large white-tailed deer population. Like literally last night I was driving on a road called Nacadoches. This is a road in the middle of town, let you know. And I was had a deer while driving home because we have a large deer population. Even I live maybe 10 minutes away from downtown, and I've had white-tailed deer being seen less than five minutes away from here. We also have, of course, raccoons, possums, things like that. And also, we have a lot of areas where these animals can hide away from. And even in some of the creek creek ways we have here, we do have fish and also

aquatic life they can survive off of. Like even I think people have seen like things like crawfish and crawdads in the creeks that these animals could possibly try to survive off of. But I think primarily they're going after white tail deer in this area. And even at sad thought, I even bring up the ideas of maybe in these more urban areas, maybe they would go after maybe feral dogs, be feral cats. Because think, if you're a large omnivore and it's smaller than new, it could be a food resource if necessary. Yeah.

The, that reminds me of an email that I had just gotten in the other day about, unfortunately, with some of these situations, in dogs and cats do disappear. larger dogs as well. It's a very interesting thing. I don't think a lot of people like to talk about it because it's one of those sides of it where it's not the pretty side or the fun side. There's sometimes repercussions

from these creatures being around that might be things that we might not want to necessarily deal with, the loss of pets or things of that nature. Maybe even people too. don't know, but that's a whole different. Like, I've even made jokes of like, because when me and Rod have gone out and seen these thick structures, we've seen like human dwellings nearby, like homeless people living

these parks that we see these sticks structures. Sometimes I look at him and I'm like, I wonder what Dave's seen. And also, where did they go? Because a lot of times, this stuff's been abandoned. And it's like, I'm like, maybe Sasquot's got him. But it's like, as a joke, but also you've got to think of these. aren't the big cuddly pets people sometimes think of them as. These aren't the benevolent gods of the forest.

These are wild animals. And people have brought up, they're safe. Any animal, even a pet, if you make them angry enough, and put them in the corner, will bite you. So these creatures are large omnivores and can be dangerous towards people and pets and things like that. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. Plan B made over-the-counter emergency contraception legal more than 20 years ago. It's a safe, effective backup birth control option that helps prevent pregnancy before it starts by temporarily delaying ovulation. Plan B is the number one OBGYN recommended brand and the only one that you can find at all major retailers in all 50 U.S. states.

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It's like, no, these are real life creatures living in the woods. But like any wild animal, it can be highly dangerous, especially with the size of it is and the intelligence. In fact, I think I've heard Cliff Bergman say before, if these animals wanted to kill people, but you wouldn't have the National Park Service right now. Like, they could be dangerous, but do they go out and purposefully go after people? They are unlikely because I think there's small enough to know, oh, if one person goes missing, soon enough you have a search party and now there's 100 people in the woods. So maybe they have any intelligence to know things like that.

Bigfoot is such an interesting topic because there are so many different ways to look at it in different viewpoints and everyone that has experienced something has their own bias and way that they look at the world. To me, it's a fascinating topic for sure. Yourself, being a cryptosuologist, you already brought up that, yes, you're not just looking into Bigfoot or these unrecognized primates. you're looking into all sorts of different things out there do you have a favorite one that you know if you were able to like let's look into this one is there one that always brings your focus back well that one probably one crypt that's always brought a lot of interest to me was the morozy the morozy is a unknown like possible lion species that has been seen in kenyon

before. These were known as the spotted lions. The Lord Coleman bought these up a lot back in his early research and parts of West Kenya. People are seeing lions, but without mains and with spotted coats. And this is a crypt that brings up my interest, not because how fantastical it is or how it's like a monster, it's because of how realistic it is. Like, there's a lot of cryptids around the world. People don't realize and don't know about that. could very much be real.

Like, for instance, down in South America, people reference the Mopengrawee. A lot of people reference the Mopengrawi as a bigfoot-like creature, but when you really look at the sightings, people are referencing something more similar to a ground slough, something that existed in prehistory. Even an interesting aspect of it was a lot of Native American stories, too. Some Native American stories reference animals

that they reference as giant bears with giant claws, that could stand up on two feet and will very like smelly animals in these Native American stories and looking at it, it's like they're not referencing giant bears they're referencing what sounds like a giant ground sloth back in the day.

With me, especially with cryptosurology, I'm very much, I look at it from a prehistoric lens. I'm very much a fan of mammoths and ground sloths and smilodons. I literally have a smilodont skull on my desk as I'm speaking to you right now. I try to look at a lot of these cryptics in around the world that have more pre-sfolk aspect. I think also another one I would love to go after is the Queensland tiger.

This is a unknown, people think of it as a feline being seen out in Queensland, Australia. But when you look at the signs of these creatures, they reference a striped body, almost like they said they almost have almost like a human-like hand to it, and a rounded head like a feline, and it climbs trees. What they're referencing is an animal called Thiala Callio. Thial Calliol. Carnifax was a what we were called a marsupial lion. It was about the size of a mountain lion,

and it was a marsupial that was related to a koala or kangaroo. But if you look at a picture of Thiala, you would think it's a cat. That's another great example of convergent evolution. So that's also another that seems honestly realistic that I would love to try to go after

in future research. You bring up something that was actually on my mind because I was trying to remember if we talked about it last time and I'm just going to

bring it up just in case something that I've found over the years that I've done this coming up on we're past five now. I've found that there seems to be

almost you can tie threads together that some of these sightings of cryptids seem to be related to animals that have a prehistoric background. It feels like there's something there, but I'm not quite sure how to, how it would tie all together. You mentioned the ground slots, and I mean, there's sightings of those even in, I believe it was Sherman County, New York back in the day, and there's your thunderbirds and your, I believe there's even maybe Willie Mammoth sightings every once in a while, way up in northern Alaska. Do you feel like, man, I feel like you could take it a few different ways.

Are there maybe areas where these creatures just didn't go extinct and they're hanging out like the Headless Valley up in the Northwest Territories? actually I think there could be regions that these animals could have survived for instance yeah you bring up to the Nihani valley the headless valley up in Alaska it's interesting because that area people reference animals that should have gone extinct a long time ago the natives reference a giant bear that they've seen that has longer legs than a grizzly bear that's much larger than grizzly bear that has a short face there's there's literally referencing Octodus Zymus, the short-faced bear. And another animal being seen in this area is something called the Wahila. The Wahila is a giant, like, white wolf that they're seen. But it's interesting because this white wolf has a long, almost otter-like tail day reference, and it's built more like a bear. It's very stocky, very much, like a mix of a wolf and a bear.

If you look at prehistory, we have an animal called, literally called Baradogs, or Afosionidae. The amphosionidae were a creature that's found in myocene and pliocene in North America that was morphologically very similar to Ercidinians and Canans. They were possibly one of the last common ancestors between these two groups of canoforms. And these native tribes are referencing an amphision when they shouldn't know what the amphision is. and they tell stories also in the Nahani Valley the Wahila is like the

apex predator in that area but they reference there's a nugget predator that the Wahila is scared of and it's a lion they reference it's a lion like it almost looks like a mountain lion but it's like double the size of a

regular mountain lion. It's like the size of like a large bear what they could be referencing up there too is the American lion the American Lion pent there at Leo Atrix was a lion the size of a black bear. It was truly gigantic, one of probably the largest feline species to ever exist. And maybe this creature could be surviving in politics of North America until this day. For instance, I believe in the 1990s, people were referencing bison being killed

out in a yellowstone by some predator people who didn't know about. They look like some type of giant cat. Maybe this could be very small populations of relic American lions. Maybe American Choral Face Bear could still be surviving in some areas of like Alaska and Canada. And even like bring up

Sasquot. Sasquots could be like another one of these relic megaphoneal species that has been able to survive but just it's seen more by humans. Or maybe even I bring up the idea of like maybe Bigfoot gets a lot of attention because, you know, is just how human-like it is, how anthropomorphic it is.

Like, what would someone rather hear a story about? A giant gorilla-like creature that looks like a human in the woods or a giant lion. A lot of people go towards the fantastical, go towards the Bigfoot side of it. So maybe that's why the creatures like Sasquatch around the world get so much more attention than other cryptids because it's how human they are. Like anthropomorphism does exist. we like to put ourselves into the natural world. Maybe that's why a lot of creatures like Bigfoot,

the Mopengrawi, the Mandibarou, the Batutu, the Yeti, the Yer, and the Woodwolves, the Hu, the Jew, all these different creatures being seen around the world that are very human-like. Maybe these are the cryptids that get a lot of the attention because it's how human-like they are. We see ourselves in these creatures. It's extremely interesting to think about, It's one of these rabbit trails.

I allow myself to think about the whole prehistoric cryptid connection. But then I always come back to Bigfoot, of course. But it feels like if there are people encountering short-faced bear in these areas, we're probably not hearing about it because they're just being. It feels like if you encounter a short-faced bear, you're not probably, you know, living. you're going to be taken. Yeah. Yeah.

I talk about how many people see these cryptids but just aren't seen seen afterwards. Like, and parts of like, especially in Mahoney Valley, it's a dangerous area in the first place because it's just the environmental differences. And also, it's really noticed the headless valley for a reason. Some of people have gone up missing in that area. And if the McLeod brothers, the ones that did lose their heads, we don't know why that happened.

and the natives in that area reference a creature called an Akkad. These very like these mountain ogres they reference in that area are very human like that are very human like that. Some people even have speculated could be surviving Neanderthals

but I believe could be this maybe another subset of Sasquatch. But like yeah there's been Sasquatch signs in that area. So yeah it's a very interesting thing to look at. I do want to up, of course, if this is new info for people, I would really recommend that you check out

the books by Hammerson Peters, of course, who has done so much legwork of categorizing all of these stories about this area. And not a guy that I've been able to talk to yet on the show, but maybe someday I'd love to the invites always open. but just a very another great author, a gentleman who takes the time to categorize and put things in a place where we can read them about the legends of Canada and also of the Headless Valley as well. There have been no, I really don't expect you, don't feel like you need to know this, but have there been any recent expeditions that have been going on in that area that you've heard of, Ryan? Not that I know of I think one expedition I know of happened back into

I believe the 50 And I know that was referenced a lot by Hamilton Peters In his research Because he's an author that I love reading I've read all of his books I know you have with his expeditions in the 50s I believe in the 60s But I don't think there's been anything recently

Because I know it's a national park now It's protected by the Canadian government Yeah you look up photos of that place, it is just, it seems like one of the wildest places on Earth up there. The rapids, the waterfalls, definitely would be at one of those unforgiving places that you might not get too many chances if you're up there. But going back to Beyond Bigfoot, when you were writing this book, was there a goal in mind that you would want readers to be able to attain after reading this or something that

you wish they would take away after reading this book? With it, like my goal or like what I want people to take away is like, with any books I write or with anything is that education. It's about learning new things and opening up your eye to different possibilities. Like for instance, like you reference yourself that there's a lot of things in here that you've probably not a lot of people have heard about or maybe we've heard about once. Maybe we've heard maybe you've heard a name devil monkey but you never knew what it was. And maybe you've heard a name Doug Wee, but you really didn't know the research behind it.

What I would want people to take away from this is learning about these creatures. And also, one thing I always like to do is make your own hypothesis, make your own summaries. Like to bring it out, like maybe, heck, maybe say, no, Ryan can be wrong on these hypotheses he puts out. But this is a good counter argument. This is a good counter hypothesis. instead. Like, I love getting challenged on my own hypotheses and own ideas because it really brings out a lot of, like, high-level thinking in the first place. Like, for instance, my 9-to-5 job, I'm an educator. When my, when it comes to cryptosurology, it's very much coming from a perspective

of education of learning and trying to teach people about these creatures and let them make their own judgments, their own summaries on it. Like, the three main creatures that I go over, whereas the North American Eighth, Doug Lee, and a devil movie. Like, I would love for people to learn about these creatures and maybe even go and do their further research. Like, for instance, myself, with this book, my foreword's written by the legendary Lauren Colman. Lauren Coleman's one of the only real research I could think of

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And like that's what I love people to do is maybe like after you read a book, maybe like if you can find an author, like reach out to the author. Like reach out to me like, hey, like I like this part. What about this? My own sighting. Like go out there and do you further research because reading a book is great. But if that book really had connection to you, you go and read even further on or even maybe learn a little bit more about our prehistory because I bring up like First World of North America. And like earlier, the Pleas Adapt forms and on Maya forms, the prehistoric primates in North America, people have not really heard about a lot. Like learning new things and maybe furthering your own research. That's what I would really look people like come out with after to read this book.

after you released this book, did you get people reaching out to you saying like, you know what? I read this and realized, hey, I've actually experienced one of these things and I just didn't realize it. I have, I have not had any experience yet, which is, I'm like, what it is pretty much is, it's a fairly new book. It's been out only a couple months now. And also, I began trying to get it into reviews. like author's hands like I gave a good copy good friends of mine

King Gerhard Lab Blackburn give a copy to Jeff Melrose things like that but like I was talking other researchers have been like yeah like I've had people reference these bigfoot like creatures with muzzles I've always thought they're a dog man now I think it could be a guggery and I'm like cool like and they've literally gone back and talked to the eyewitness and said like okay like let me get a little more details on the muscle and they're like, yeah, this sounds more like this guggery creature. Or even I've had a researcher out of East Texas reference. They're like, yeah, like people out here were seeing baboons.

And I was like baboons, like how big would these baboons? They're like the size of a human. I'm like that sounds very similar to a devil monkey. So I bring out that like, yeah, maybe a lot of these sightings that people thought were bigfoot or people thought were baboons, maybe old chimps. maybe old chimpanzees even were actually these cryptids being seen. Like for instance, I think

when I was under, I saw a I think it was a Monster Quest episode and it was about chimpanzees in North America. And the whole episode was over. People were releasing chimpanzees out in the woods and people still seeing chimpanzees in the woods. And I'm like looking after this book, I mean, what if some of these chimpanzees side

these were chimpanzees? Maybe they were these North American inks or maybe even young Sasquatch that people misidentify as a known species. It's weird to think about it. We always think of cryptids as being misidentifications of known species. What are some of these known species or actual misidentifications of cryptids? Like, it's a kind of, it's a perspective that I think not a lot of people think of. Like, it's very much a paradigm changer.

A lot of times when you do research like this. No, I think so, too. And this book will definitely, it'll either give you new information or it'll challenge the way that you've been thinking so far. And I think that it is healthy to do that to learn from things you read. Thank you for putting this book Beyond Bigfoot together, Ryan. And it's been a pleasure having you on the show today. Ryan, what's the best way to pick up this book? I would recommend Amazon if you look up Ron Edwards.

Bigfoot, this book Beyond Bigfoot will come up. my second book, such watch Prehistory History of the Living Legend would come up and also my first book Critters of the World.

So yeah, you can pick them up on Amazon. Also, these two of my, both of my last two recent books were also released by Aurelii Lydes publishing company. They have a website

that is done by a good friend of mine, David Weatherly, another well-known cryptosologist. If you reach out to their website, they also have copies on there as well. Fantastic. After reading this,

listeners, if you have an account that is, you're like, wow, that lines up with the Gugway or the devil monkey. Is there a way for people to reach out to you, Ryan, to share maybe their thoughts about the book or if they've experienced things that you've written about in the book? Yes, of course. I always have my social media is open and ready for people to reach out to. I have a Facebook, Ryan Edwards on Facebook. I have an Instagram page, R. Edwards at Crypto, 20,

five. If you look at Brian Edwards on Instagram, I'm there. Also, I do have my email, Ryan Edwards.cropto at gmail.com. Right. There's just one word. You can reach out to my email. And I'm always open to people talking to me. Like, people that have maybe good reviews for the books or even bad reviews for the books so I can maybe fix mistakes I've made or eyewitnesses or just people that have fans of cryptosology in general. Like, I love talking about the weird in a strange, so reach out. Fantastic. And before we head out completely, Ryan, are there any other things that you would want listeners to know before we end our time together today?

It's just that, like, always question, always do your research, and what I always say is to never stop exploring, never stop wondering what really is out there. Because the second we think we have all the answers, we don't. Science doesn't have all the answers. Neither does cryptosology or any other field. Like, the world is a mixture of different things. Never stop exploring, never stop questioning, because without questions, we'll never make discoveries.

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