Bigfoot Society - Bigfoot Hears the Bagpipes — Then EVERYTHING Goes Crazy!

Episode Date: August 9, 2025

What happens when a teenager brings a set of Scottish bagpipes into the deep woods of the Olympic Peninsula — and something ancient answers back? In this electrifying and immersive episode, we hear from Jonathan, a first-time BFRO expedition attendee who joined his father and brother for four days of Bigfoot research outside Forks, Washington. What started as a graduation gift quickly turned into something far stranger, as they encountered power knocks, thermal sightings, massive footprints, and the unnerving feeling of being watched. You’ll hear how a unique sound experiment triggered an immediate response, what it’s like to be followed in the forest, and why some researchers believe Bigfoot may mimic human footsteps to stay hidden. This episode is packed with eerie moments, raw emotion, and the kind of detail only a firsthand witness can deliver. Whether you’re a skeptic or a believer, you won’t want to miss this unforgettable night in the woods.🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to [e-mail] – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Patreon – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereGoodchop (Better Meat): Check it OutSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn More🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072📧 Business Inquiries:[e-mail]

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but from a teenager whose senior year graduation gift turned into a four-night encounter with the unexplained. In the Mosse Hills outside Forks, Washington, Jonathan, his brother and their dad, joined a BFRO expedition, and what followed included something no one expected, the haunting sound of bagpipes echoing through the woods, and an answer that came in the form of power knocks, massive footprints, and a thermal sighting of something peering from the hickory brush. This isn't a secondhand tale. It's Jonathan's story, and you'll want to hear every minute of it. So stay with us.

All right, Bigfoot Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Jonathan. He's from the Pacific Northwest. Jonathan reached out to me about an expedition he was on and some interesting things that happened on it. But how's it going today, Jonathan? Oh, pretty well on yourself. I'm having a great night. I'm glad to be able to talk to you.

And, you know, I'm going to go ahead and let you get right into it. Yeah. So we, me and my brother, my dad, attended a expedition to B. FRO last July. and the group was about a little over 20 of us and we went out to the Olympic Peninsula, the area around Forks. And yeah, no, they constantly kept telling us the whole time that they basically promised that they could put us

into a situation where they could try their best to have something happen, but they can't promise it, obviously. And we were completely surprised by just how much happened, I was the span of like four days. It was one of their more eventful ones they'd had in the past couple of years. That's awesome. And was this the first time you were being involved with a Bigfoot event like this? Or like how long had you been able to Bigfoot for?

Oh, yeah, since I was a kid. It was more of like, funny enough, it was kind of like my senior year graduation present in a way, which I thought was kind of fun. But yeah, I've been into it for forever. So it's just more of like I finally got a chance to do it, you know? That's awesome. Is your dad really into it as well? Yeah, he is. The three of us were.

It was one of those things that we kind of all fancied. We just never got around to actually sitting down and finally doing it. We're like, oh, we actually have a chance to do it. So let's do it. How did you get set up with going on the expedition? Did you have to get a lot of gears or had you been hiking before? Yeah. Yeah, so, you know, did the whole winter cabellas, picked up a couple of camping materials and whatnot.

And they kind of did like a grocery store run. They gave us a rundown of what you should and shouldn't bring. Yeah, it was just more of just getting the supplies in general, like the tents and the food you need. And the only downside is obviously there wasn't any showers because we were literally camping for four days. But it was honestly really fun. Like I never thought, you know, being like just not showering four days. the bunch of 20-year-old 20 random strangers would be like that fun if that makes sense. I get it.

I've also been out on a few things, not BFRO related, but it was independent. And it's just really nice to get out there disconnect from different things. Especially if you're in the Pacific Northwest where it's beautiful all year long. Oh, that's true. I mean, you could probably go to a grocery store and it'd still be beautiful because it's in the Pacific Northwest. Yeah. Can you paint the scene for us? of what kind of area that you went in?

Because I know you have to be very careful about how you tell where we're at for this. Yeah. So that just is because it was private property. Like, because normally when you sign up through a VFR expedition, this is actually, I thought this was really cool. They make you sign an NDA that basically says you're not allowed, you're not allowed to disclose where we're going, how we're going, or what we're doing. until after the event because obviously they don't want some Joe Schmoe dressing up in a gorilla suit beforehand as a third party and setting stuff up you know they wanted to make it as fun and as actual genuine as possible but we actually had to sign a second NDA because this was

private property basically saying we're not allowed to disclose this if we're to do stuff like this like podcast or tell other people on a platform like this we're not allowed to disclose like obviously because we were literally camping in another person's backyard like their house was visible from our intense. It was a pretty bizarre experience, but it was pretty cool. It was out by forks-ish. That's kind of where it was. I mean, there's a lot of wild stuff out there besides the twilight stuff, but you've got like what the whole rainforest is out there. Do you know if this was a property where they had reached out to the BFR with a sighting and they had a lot of activity happening on that property? So, yes.

Yes, it was a mix of both. It was more of it had been in their eyesight for a while, and they'd been there a couple of times. And it was more of like a private one of those high up on the food chain, I guess, only a handful of people knew. And they finally decided to release it out to the public to actually try to do stuff with, like, did you do an actual expedition on?

Oh, that's pretty cool. So he kind of walked me through, what happened first day when you first first got there? Yeah. So we got there in the afternoon-ish just because the drive was a little interesting. And the time they arrived,

you were going to do an evening orientation with everybody there. And they kind of told us what to expect, like how the night walks work, they call it night operations and whatnot. They basically were just picked their camping site and kind of went from there. And nothing really happened in the day,

but it's more of the evening we did our night operations, my brother, actually, kind of for kicks and giggles, but the expedition hosts thought this was a very good idea. My brother bought his literal Scottish bagpipes, and they thought it would actually be a brilliant tool to use because, you know, you've ever heard of bagpipes, they're pretty stinking loud. You put them on a high elevation. There's nothing in at least two miles.

They can't hear it. And they thought it would be a brilliant idea to use that on a night. ops with one team was with the bagpipes which me and myself and my dad were on and there was another group that circled around like the mountain because we are at the base of the mountain and there was a third team that was a couple of guys they were going to go camping up on the top of the mountain and just stay the night there but yeah no it was it was a pretty bizarre experience because it was just like my brother was sitting on the hillside playing bagpipes and there was a clearing below us and it just be carried.

Like after he played, you could hear it just carry for like an extra three or four seconds. It was really cool. Do you know if that ever had been used in the history of the BFRO or this is probably a first time ago? I actually don't even think so. I don't even, to be honest with you, because I know I'm talking to these BFRO guys,

they were so cool. They basically very much heavily distinguished that there was a difference between the finding Bigfoot TV show and the BFR. they worked very and within, I don't even think they did that type stuff, even on finding Bigfoot like the show. So I actually think that was probably the first time they did something like that. And I think it's just because the bagpipes is such a hard instrument to learn that it was just really, it was really off-putting. But we used it and it was, to be honestly, I think it was pretty

effective what they were telling us because it's something that really, I thought was interesting that they constantly told us that there is no experts in Bigfoot. But anyone who says that is basically just lying your face. There are people that are more experienced that have just learned from like working in the field, right? And something that they told us from their experience is that because of TV shows like Finding Bigfoot and documentaries, that people kind of kept doing like howls and whatnot to where they've noticed is that they don't really do howls anymore. They just kind of like knock or make other noises.

So hearing a bagpipe, I think really startled them. and after we played essentially my brother was playing some tunes on a hillside there's another group that was below us kind of circling around and there was also a group in base camp and when we were going down the hillside playing, you know,

open, clear cut and eventually when he stopped playing and while they were playing, the base camp immediately on radio started calling off that there was knocks going on across the road behind the base camp. like immediately and these weren't like from what i we talked about later that evening is these were not just simple like tree snaps these were like what you would can traditionally call the

stereotypical like power knocks just like the wham bam bam you know like a baseball bat to a tree which like really got everyone excited and there was other knocks people were hearing on like the other side of the road um towards our base camp and that was that was really bizarre to hear like two different places at the same time basically because it's like oh okay so you don't you don't you know that this isn't like normal. Did they say if there was a pattern to them at all? No, I don't recall them ever mentioning it was a pattern, but they were just making, I just remember,

because I was with group A and they basically just called on the radio that they were hearing knocks, and they were just describing it that evening when everything was said and done. So then you've got, you've got knocks happening. You got power knocks. You've got your brother playing bagpipes. Did the bagpipes continue after the knocks? Or were you like, okay, let's settle down with the bagpipes?

He actually kept going. He brought it all the way into base camp. And nothing, basically all the groups kind of met up after a good hour or two. And we just decided to go back to base camp, you know, just sat around the fire, having fun, you know, telling stories and just in general having fun. And my brother kept playing in the base camp a little bit. nothing really happened while we were in base camp. However, it was more of when me and my father were going back to bed

is when stuff like really kicked off that evening. So all the groups were in except for there was like a group of the more of the quote-unquote BFR leaders. There was a couple of them that were camping on the hillside where my brother was playing the bagpipes for the night. And before the group heading back, they all had thermals and all this high-tech gear and whatnot. And one of them spotted something on the thermal, unfortunately just how things are. None of them had the ability to record on their thermal.

One of them spot it on a thermal. And then they had two other people seeing the exact same thing on the thermal. So it's kind of like one of those weird experiences where you have three people with three different thermals, all seeing the exact same thing. And what they were describing, and we saw this the next. day through the recreation, but basically it was this really thick hickory bush. So you really can't see through it or like even the thermal can't peek through it. But they would see like the top of like, I don't know, describe it like a cone head basically. And it would like peek up and then go down,

move like six or seven feet to the right. Peek up, look down. It would keep going. And it did this about a dozen or so times from what I recall from what them saying. But it was just really weird that all three of them were seeing the exact same thing. And this was way thick in the woods. Like there wasn't anybody from our group back there. And then on top of that, there was a third guy that was behind that was kind of acting as like a watchman.

He kind of was following us, like 30, 40 yards behind. And he kind of was trying to get the group's attention because he was hearing something walking behind them. And of course, everyone, when that happened, everyone turned the attention to wherever the walking sound was coming from up on the hill. It was behind us about,

or them by about 20 or 30 yards. And I personally think looking back to it, it was kind of like a decoy trying to get us to distract it because they basically were looking down to it in this hickory bush patch and there really wasn't anywhere for it to go. And there was the second one behind us, or behind the group up the hill. And it was like making sounds and not like sounds, but it was like making really loud like stomping sounds. And I think it personally distracted the group just long enough for the other one to get away. That's what the group conceded with hindsight the next day. So that happened and then the group came back and then everyone was kind of like really pumped up after that happened.

Wow. And was that just the first day then? Oh, that was just the first night. Oh, my goodness. Wow. And how late was all that happening again? This happened probably between 8 p.m. to 11 p.m. So in the span of like three hours.

Okay. So happened at 11 p.m. And then how late did you guys go to bed? Or did you do a thing where it's like you're staying up all night? Oh, first night. I think we went to bed around like midnight or one in the morning. We didn't stay up that late. But it was when me and my dad,

we were going back to the truck or in our truck where all our food was. And where my dad was me and my dad wanted a Twinkie because we just dropped some. So we went back to the camp to get one. And we heard this rustling in the bushes. And we couldn't describe it. Honestly, because there was another guy truck right next to us. And there was kind of like a little path into the woods.

And, you know, guys using it as a cheat sheet, cheat, we kind of used it at a little mini bathroom, you know, this little path into the woods. And at first we thought it was like them.

Like, I didn't really think it was much of anything until it, like, stopped moving. Like, it just completely stopped and we're like, okay, whatever. Like if just the guy wants his privacy, whatever. But the thing was is it kept moving.

And it wasn't, until we heard, the only way I can describe it is if you took a two by four and just clean snapped it. Just like, we just snapped it into. That was when I like freaked out because I was like, that is not a person. Like I was like, oh, okay. We're like, oh, okay, this is different. And then that was two hour like facing the woods. That was like two hour 11 o'clock. And then a couple seconds later, we heard like heavy stomping. And then we heard another snap. to about our nine o'clock. And then at that point we realized, okay, this, whatever, it's these hickory bushes,

like the owners of the house surrounded the entire, um, property in these really tall, 10 foot high about three or four feet thick hickory bushes because, you know, they're also were big footers too. So they wanted to see if they could bring them into the property essentially because, you know, it's a lot more they, to they, experience, they felt that it was a lot more comfortable if these things had more security, if that makes sense, to where they could just kind of freely approach people without being seen, because you really couldn't see, even with a flashlight, you could not see through these

sacred bushes. But we were hearing us, and this couldn't have been more than 30 yards back behind these bushes. And at that point, we went back to the cabin, or to the group at base camp, and we were telling like, hey, we think we're hearing something behind our camp. And at that point, everyone kind of like, you know, freaked out. And there was a kind of a small group that went out into the woods. I didn't really go with them. I stayed in base camp. But like that really was freaky. It's just in that moment, you just hear that like two by four snap and you're just like, oh, what is that? What is that? You know? That's wild. And that's a really interesting piece of info. So you said that the people that own the property were also Bigfooters. So do you know if they, did they purchase the property because they knew Bigfoot was there? Or did they discover Bigfoot and just happen to be Bigfooters? I couldn't tell you, but I honestly don't know. To be honest, I think more of, it was just more of a convenience thing. I think they noticed it and just like, hey, let's just put this and plug this in and see what happens.

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See penshoil.com slash warranty for full details and terms. Right. Yeah, makes sense. Any interesting sounds have been recorded around the property? Oh, yeah, definitely. Not just that property in general, but there's another organization. organization that we did stuff with. That was the Olympic project.

I don't know if you know those guys, those guys have set up audio recorders like in that whole woods. And they were showing us like what they caught over the past couple of years. And that was really cool. That's awesome. So the O.P. guys were there as well.

Oh, dude, that's great, man. When you guys went to sleep eventually and were you woken up in the morning? anything weird happen at, you know, like a two or three a.m. type feel? No, to what I remember, I don't think anyone that night woke up to anything in particular. What's the morning like on a BFRO expedition? I mean, everyone kind of like wakes up and does their own thing. It's more of they do a nightcap, like a recap of what everything happened at 11 a.m.

I think 11 a.m. to noonish, like right around lunchtime. So everyone kind of did their own thing. But the reason before the morning thing happens, we got approached by the BFRO leads. Me and my dad did early in the morning right after everyone broke up. They kind of disclosed us to the side and talked to us. And they wanted us to disclose what happened because they wanted to wait until 11 a.m. to really tell. But of course, word spread of the snaps that me and my dad heard.

And they wanted the leads wanted to talk to us because they said that there was a couple of like, FRO guys that went around back there that morning. And they had found tracks following the exact same line of the snaps we heard. And they wanted to like tell us, be like, hey, like, don't tell anyone yet. You kind of want to like get the cast in before people go out there and like destroy the tracks because they're apparently they were really good tracks. Oh wow. So they wanted to like go out there and cast it and whatnot. How big were the tracks?

When we saw them like if you have ever seen tracks before, like you, you know what I'm talking about. It's just bizarre. It's otherworldly. Like there's nothing else to describe it. There was about, um, one of our, the good,

the better tracker guys in our group, uh, was he said he was able to track it for about 100 yards under the wood, woods, which not very far until he lost it. But there was about seven or eight really good tracks. They were about six to eight inches wide and about 20 inches long. And they were about almost an inch and a half deep into the ground.

Like, and this was, wasn't mud. This was straight dirt. So a lot of weight to push that down for sure. Oh, yeah. And there was another guy in our group. He was six five-ish, six-six.

He was probably 250, 260 pounds, probably a little bit more heavier than that. And he tried to jump with both feet next to the footprint to see how deep he could get. He couldn't even get an inch at all. Not even close. Were there any interesting details in the track? cast that were found, like dermal ridges or anything out of the ordinary?

I was talking to them a couple of the Olympic project and BFRO guys and they were discussing over it. And they actually initially thought that somebody was hoaxing us because they were way too good. Like a lot of those, a couple of those guys were saying, these are the best tracks we've ever gotten in our entire like Bigfoot career. They kept doing like recalls from last night like, hey, everyone was accounted for. Like this isn't somebody hoaxing us. But it was the part that just really was freaky is that one of the steps that came off a log and the log was not only indented but you could see it pressing into the ground and like the toes were spaying as each step which is obviously a big teller if it's fake or not because like the fake ones are like

the wood clomper right don't like move around very much that is really cool so how did the rest of the group take that info when that was shared they they were unbelievably like a excited. Like it was just one of those cool things because like it was one of those things like when others take it a step further to say that why we thought they were real because within perfect eyesight, you could see at the height of five foot to six foot. You can't really see much. But somebody came in and was able to look at it from an angle of like six or seven feet and it was a perfect eye line to our camp. But where Hickory bushes were, it completely covered it. You couldn't in the middle of the dark, you wouldn't know this thing.

was looking at you and you could have been 30 feet away from it. Because when it was standing still, just looking at you, that's all it did. And that was like really creepy to think that it was just within like only a couple yards of our camp just looking at and just watching us. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Yeah, that's, that's really wild stuff. Was anyone able to get like a 3D scan of it as well or just stick to track cast? I believe one of the organizers for the expedition was going to do 3D cast of it. I cannot recall. I believe they did. I can actually ask them later,

but I don't know if they did or not. So everyone's pumped from the news that you found some tracks and then the news of what happened to you and your father. So then what happens later that day? Following, we did a couple day walks. They actually showed us how to like cast tracks, which I thought was kind of cool. It was just cool. see like tracks being casted in real time.

Did a couple day walks and then we actually did a recreation of the night before we saw the cone heads. And the reason why I was saying was around six, seven feet tall is the bushes of the bush line. Like we couldn't see the person. We had actually had a visual like tried to set up to see if we could see them in the bushes. We totally couldn't.

And they're just the tree line. It was just with hindsight when you do recreations, just how like well hidden. A lot of things are. in the cover of darkness, like just things could be right in front of you and you just do not know. It was really, really freaky,

doing a recreation and noticed that, yeah, this thing was probably at least six, six to like seven foot. Oh, that's wild. Yeah. Was that around the same time of day that it happened originally that you did it too? Yeah, it was, no, it was, originally it happened at night and I made a recreation in the day

and it was just weird to see it like side by side, like just like from what everyone's recollections and then we actually the guys tried to the guy actually put on bright clothing like neon green clothing and actually went up the hill um it tried his best to get out there because there wasn't any game trails this was like a straight inclined tail forest and shrubs everywhere and he laid on the top of the hill and started making noises and we could hear him but we definitely could not see him so it was just like another thing that was just like oh okay Yeah, that's crazy.

And you're, you said it was a four-day expedition. Yeah. And that was, we're only to the end of the second day. The second day, we decided, or the second night, that night ops, we decided to kill the bagpipes. Because in my personal opinion, and this is something that the expedition leaders agreed to to is, I just thought it was a good opinion, was that, let's be real here. if you're living out in the woods 24-7, you're going to get like, there's nothing for you to do really, you know?

So it's like when you hear something like bagpipes, it's kind of like, it's different. It's like everyone else. I mean, think about it. If somebody was playing bagpipes in their backyard, all the neighbors are going to open their window

as being like, who in their world? What's going on here, you know? So I think it's just like a natural response because they're reported to be curious. So I just thought that was bizarre. But the second night, we killed the bagpipes because we thought it would be better to see if like,

they would make noise in response to like other noises that we did. The second group, group A, I was with group B. We did split up into two teams. Group A reported or thought that they were being followed. Nothing really happened with my group. I was in group B. Nothing really happened the whole night. But group A thought they were being followed.

And they had this new developed strategy that the BFRO started to is using um because people found out that these things were really found out but have like come to some sort of a consensus that they thought that these things will mimic your footsteps to kind of like mask your height mask their steps essentially so we do like a three to one stop where all this just kind of like counts down to one and then we stop and then if if it's always timed you know you can hear like a crunch crunch crunch of it like stopping like in the background and that is a really freaky experience, especially when it's like, it's never directly behind you. It's always to like your three o'clock or your six o'clock or like seven.

Like it's like it's your sides behind you, you know? And that was really freaky for them to hear like with hindsight, like hearing them describe it, you know? Did you actually hear that play out? I personally heard that the third night, which was the final night. I heard that on the final night. but the second night, no, nothing really happens. I had a pair of parabolics on, and I heard whistling constantly,

which we deduced the later by listening to whistling sounds of birds. It was a bird, but it was just really cool to hear like a pair of parabolics, you know, just listening to it. But yeah, that was really all that happened night too. We were hoping to try to lead it into the camp again. And no, nothing really happened with that. Gotcha. So you got a lot of stuff on the first day,

recreation on the second day and then the third day sounds like that was your last day to try to get stuff to happen again because fourth day doesn't really sound like much happened or it's the last day. Yeah, we just kind of pack up and we pack up and leave. But the third day, that was really interesting.

There was a guy who showed us basically the sound system that he set up in the Olympic Peninsula that he would just record sound and he would just spend hours just going through it. He would record a year's worth of sound and then go through that audio log. It was really interesting the stuff that he just caught because he was saying that there was a recent study

out of, I don't know what college it was, but that specifically chimpanzees can see infrared, which was what trail cameras see. They see infrared. Which is why when they were trying to take trail camera footage of chimpanzees, they couldn't ever get them. The chimpanzees were elusive.

But when they put up audio recorders, they were hearing the chimpanzees left and right, left and right. So this guy who came to our expedition, who was telling us about it, he thought it was actually, wait, why don't I supply the exact same knowledge to Bigfoot? Like, just no trail cameras, only audio recorders. And he was showing us some of the things he caught. It was pretty cool. Just the things he's caught over the years, like random weird sounds like he wouldn't expect to hear in a forest, you know? Was that an OP guy? Yeah.

I bet I know who that was. Yeah. I think we both know who we were talking about. He's a really cool dude. He's so cool. He just rambled on. Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, he's so nice. We were talking about the exact same guy. Yeah. But yeah. It was really cool to listen to all the things he's caught and heard over the years. And that day, nothing really too much happened. But it was that night was actually, I think, was like the highlight of the whole trip. I mean, the foot trips obviously were like its own highlight.

Right. But it was just more of my personal highlight. And so the final night, we did an exact same thing. We brought up the bagpipes because we're like, okay, it worked the first night, not the second night. So common sense kind of tells you, okay, let's bring out the bagpipes again. And we did three groups again, guys on the hill. There were guys circling the mountain and we were on the hillside. And this time

going down the hill, we didn't hear anything. And there wasn't, it just felt dead the whole night, you know? Like just the whole night, there was just nothing. And I was with a group of people. And we just, it was just our last night. It's like one in the morning, nothing happened. And me in a group of people, we were like, yeah, we want to find something. Like, this is our last night.

We're going to go out. We're going to come back, not until the sun rises, you know? and so this is really freaking cool there's this one guy, a survival expert, my brother and a literal Afghanistan vet, like the four of us just went running out in the woods. I like running out of the woods, but we went really deep

into the woods. We went like at least two miles in, like just random off the trail, game trail. We're going in and one of the expedition leaders is like, wait, why don't we just start like doing knocks? We're deep enough to where they're definitely not going to hear us and the radios couldn't pick it up.

So like, yeah. So we started. The former started doing knocks for a little bit. We sat there for a bit. Nothing really happened. We were there out for like an hour and a half-ish. And we decided to walk back. I had a pair of parabolic on the Afghanistan event.

I'm not kidding you, brought his actual military-grade helmet with like the earmuffs and the eye goggles and everything. It was something out of like Call of Duty. Oh, that's awesome. It was really cool. And the other travel guy bought his like first aid kit and there's massive like survival bag. And my brother bought a pair of night vision goggles as well.

So we were like very set up. But it was when we started walking back was when the creepy stuff started to happen. So at first, the only way I could describe it is if this wasn't as loud as a two by four snap. It just sounded like, like, you're just like walking by a tree and you like grab upon a low hanging branch that's like just at your eye level and you hang on it and you like let it snap. That's what it sounded like. I heard that and both me and the guy at the time, the vet, he, we both looked at each other because he had enhanced hearing and I had enhanced hearing. We're like, oh, did you hear that? We're like, yeah, you did. It's just kind of one of those cool moments where it's like when you

both know, you're not going insane because you're both looking each other like, oh, did you hear that, you know? Right. So we stopped for a minute. We heard something. And then we started hearing the footsteps again. And it was behind us to our right. It was like around five o'clockish behind us. So like, okay, cool. So let's, that's one thing that they told this was that, like, if you think it's following you, don't let it think that it's following you. Like, if that makes sense, like, you want to outsmart it. You want to make sure that you want to act like a normal person.

It's just because it's curious. The moment you, it thinks you're timid. It's not going to want to approach, you know? This is Matt Rogers from Los Culture Reistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Los Culture Reuters with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Spend your balance instantly with a Venmo debit card in an end up to 5% cashbacks on your Favorite bundle of brands when you join Venmo's stash. Your rewards come from bundles of brands you can keep or switch every 30 days,

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And it wasn't that far behind us. It was probably around 50 yards-ish. But the thing is that that's the other part that freaks me out is you kind of know when this thing's around because you don't hear any birds. You don't hear any nightlife. It's just dead quiet. So a sound kind of carries farther when there's no nightlife. And we started walking and we kept going back towards the trail. And we were like, you know what?

One of the leaders of groups is like, I've been practicing all year to do like an intimidation growl. I want to try it. So he turned around and we waited for a second. And then he did the really loud like, I don't even describe it, like a gorilla grunt or something. And the part that really scared me. And this thing actually, this actually still scared me to this day.

We actually heard the footsteps go back. backwards and just proceeded to go backwards into the woods until we couldn't hear it anymore. It just kept going until we couldn't hear it. That freaked me out. Yeah. And then a couple of seconds later, we walked back down the trail. We're on an actual page trail at this point, like the main trail you'd see in the woods where like bikes would go back and forth and whatnot.

Behind us, immediately me and the vet turned around because the only way I can describe it is it sounded like you took a rock, like about the size of a softball and just, through it along the pavement. You know, you're like that skidding sound. Yeah. Um, you heard two of those just like skid skid and just like across the room. We both turned around. I was like, was that a rock? Like it was only like 30 feet behind us, but it was just like, what? It was just weird. And we kept did the whole three, two, one stop again. And then we heard it again. We're like, okay, this thing's, I don't know, it's back, but it's back for something, you know. Um, we did a couple more times. The final time when we got closest to the camp,

we didn't hear anything. Um, but on that trip, we headed back. we told everybody about what was going on. So everyone was kind of on hindsight and high alert, you know. But nothing else happened that night, the rest of that night. But at that point, it was like three in the morning. So it's like the whole night had been spent at that point. Yeah. Oh, wow.

Oh, that must have been hard to go to sleep after that for sure. Yeah, right. So was that, I mean, after that, then you are, you're pretty much, you know, getting camp all packed up. But was that, do you think that was the craziest thing that happened during that expedition then? I,

the footprints were definitely freaky. They were just bizarre to see. I think experiencing this type stuff in real time is what freaked me out. I actually hear the footsteps behind you, to hear a rock skidding across the pavement, you know, and then to look at another person

who is a military vet, who uses this stuff all the time, have panic on his face. And he's like, what the heck, what's that? Right. Like that was freaky to see. You're like, oh, okay.

Have there been any visuals on that property or in that area? Supposedly, other people who've come on their own personal, they have two. Not on that expedition, particularly. But, yeah, that was really bizarre to hear, you know. That's wild. So I'm guessing there was probably like some final, you said it was called Nightcap or, you know, there's probably a final meeting the next morning.

And was this, yeah, was this par for the course for BFRO expeditions or do you think it was a little bit more action than usual? It was a little bit more action than usual to what they were saying. But they followed still all like the protocol, you know, with like the expeditions and like, the meetings and whatnot. It was still really fun, though.

That's awesome. Would you do this again? Oh, totally. I'm doing this again in July. Wow. Do you think it's going to be the same area? No, this is different. This place is different.

They actually, one of the reasons why I'm not revealing the place and it's not just because it's private property, but it's because this was an Olympic project and BFRO collision. Everyone played their part. Everyone was happy. Everyone had their fun. So this was a really fun expedition. Yeah, that's awesome that you were able to experience that.

Because you're right, that is a very rare event. And I don't think I've heard of too many more, too many other events happening like that in the past in that area. So that's awesome. It sounds like then after that, pretty much all went your own ways. But you'd said there's something else that had all. also happened to you at a point. Oh, yeah. So this play around, we kind of went all of our separate ways from there and people kind of kind of,

kind of the Facebook page that they kept for this kind of died off and everyone kind of went those like ways. This was back in last July. But then February, this was recent. This last February. One of my really close friends was coming back from college early and I wanted to hang out with him. So we went out to his property.

He lives out in Port Orchard. and there there was an old cemetery in that area and he wanted to show me it because they had just re-revenated it because it was like these were like graves going back to like the 1850s like these are really old graves and they re-redivated it so because they want to

like just keep preserved the history you know and he wanted to show me it because the contractors had just finished like the week prior so we went up there and it was just one of those things where it was just like, I don't describe it, like you just feel like something is watching you

while you're up there the whole time. We tried to go back in the woods and, you know, I was just telling him from my own personal experience, like, you know, just the Bigfoot and going back on the previous expedition. He thought it was really cool too. And, you know, we're in the woods, you know, having fun,

just two teenage young adults. And it was when we were walking out of the woods or out of the cemetery is when, like, weird stuff happened, I can't describe it. Like, coming back from the cemetery, we heard like,

that's the part that I don't want to, I don't want to describe it as PTSD because it was just like freaky to hear it again, but it was just that exact same two by four to snap coming from this, back from the cemetery. And we're like already 25, 30 yards away. We're walking down. At that point, I was like, okay, I'm walking

back. Like, dude, this is hearing that two times in a row in a span of like six times, like, from two separate events, is just weird, you know. So we went all the way back. I walked all the way back. I didn't see anything, didn't hear anything. But it was just more of that moment

where it was just like, yeah, whatever it is just doesn't want me there, you know? So we walked back again. But on the way back, we took a separate route. You know, because if you know the layout of Port Orchby kind of like is a circle, so we walked all the way back around. And on our way back around to his house, this was really creepy.

I actually got photos of it and I sent this to a couple of people in the BFRO and they thought it was really cool too. I saw, we saw a peerage in the mountain side because it was like a highway and it kind of on the left hand side kind of turns down into a bank where there's like a riverbed and then going up to the right hand side is like this huge steep hill

with like trees, you know, with like trees, you know, stereotypical Pacific Northwest like rainforest type like looks. But in the woods there's this like gap in like the bushes. Coming down there was these muddy footprints in the driveway and the lighten driveway in the road

and the highway and it goes all the way off into the river the tracks go all the way down to the riverbank and then on the other side through the river and up the other side and this actually freaks me out because it was the exact same type lookage I guess if the the ones from the previous summer were like it's just the exact same style you know

single file four feet apart about the same size these ones were definitely smaller these ones were like six inches wide and about probably 15, 16 inches long. But I actually put my boot up next to it. I'm like, oh, these were small. Like at first I thought this was somebody running down. But I put my boot up next to it.

I'm like, I wear a size 13 in men. And I'm like, this is at least four or five inches longer than my foot. And I can see like toes. Like this is not okay. So me and my friend are freaking out because we're like, we're just seeing like the track line, like just the breakage of the bushes coming down the like the hill and onto the road and then just into the riverbed. and it looked relatively fresh too

because this is a highway you know there's like mud on the road still so like if cars are passing by you know it'll ruin these like mud lines you know so I just thought that was really freaky to see you know in the middle of February of all things yeah that that is wild

did you say you got pictures of that yeah I got pictures of the track line the track line and the footprints side by side my friend got the track line and I got the photo of the footprints of my boot right up next to it of the best one because they were all like you could see the outline of the foot but it wasn't like really defined you know because it's this is on a this is on a highway but the one because it stepped

in the gravel and the gravel I'm not kidding you it like pushed the gravel down and you can see the toe line like where the toes were because like just how heavy it was I was just freaking out and I'm like this is gravel like how is this like creating this in gravel you know and I sent those a couple of my BFRO guys and they thought it was they're the ones from the previous expedition I still had their numbers and their contact information. And I sent it to them and they thought it was really cool as well. Jonathan, you have experienced some pretty, pretty cool things over the last, I mean, not even a year.

And this is your first foray into it. What do you hope to expect from when you go out again this year? Honestly, I don't know if I'm going to, I'm not accepting. expecting much because I don't think it's going to happen. Like lightning doesn't strike twice in the exact same spot, you know? Sure. So I'm not expecting much. I'm more of because like I've developed friendships with these BFRO people.

That's the thing is that they don't tell you is you develop. If you do this right and you are just a genuine good person, they will, they're genuine good people too. So I'm just, I'm more there just to hang out and have fun because these guys are really cool. Like once these BFRO guys, once you get to know them, they're pretty cool dudes. But I just want to go out and have fun. It's just big foot, just the side piece, you know. Yeah. Yeah, you know, it's very weird that, you know, if it's people where they tend to have the right, the good intention when they go out, those people usually tend to have stuff more happen than it's a guy going out.

And he's like, oh, I'm just in it for the money and the fame. And you're probably not going to have too much happen. But that might just be coincidence. Who knows? I got to ask you the question that usually always gets asked. But do you have any thoughts as to what you think Bigfoot is just from what you've experienced so far? So, I mean, this is something that one of the Olympic Peninsula guys said, and I thought it was really profound, was that I know the reason why I think it's flesh and blood is because it leaves scat, leave footprints, leaves hair. what also leaves footprint, scat and hair,

beer, elk, moose, like every general animal, you know? So it's like, I get the argument for saying that it's, that it's spiritual, but like also, I mean, anything else could be spiritual. So it's like, it just could be anything at that point. I'm more attached to the physical side of it because it's like, if there wasn't, we don't we call it big foot because it leaves big foot tracks, you know?

Right. true and good point good point um so definitely flesh and blood um do you are you thinking more of uh of a ape type creature or maybe something that's you know a lost human type creature or do you have any thoughts about that i actually that's the part why i'm so curious and i don't know because like I myself, I don't know, I've just listened to a lot of the spiritual podcasts that that make sense because I myself am a Christian, so a lot of my friends who've done this before, they did describe it as like a demonic thing. That's the part where I went out there when I experienced this and I got so close to it. I didn't feel that weird like spiritual presence or whatever.

I just more of just felt curiosity, which made me more inclined to think that I think this is more of just an animal, like a, like a, just a, not half sentient, but more of like a, just an ape that just has a, bit more of a brain to it, you know? Sure. So your friends, I'm going to guess they're probably, they're thinking that it's like some type of like Nephilim or. Yeah, that's what they think. I mean, as the old argument goes, there's two, there's two crowds.

There's a flesh and blood and the, they call them the woo crowd. I don't, I don't know what they call them now. No, that's, that's, you know, pretty much dead on. That is pretty much the big distinction right now, which. You know, there's, there hasn't been one captured that we know of that's been studied. So, you know, kind of who knows so far. But, man, Jonathan, it's been a, a fun chat with you. It's, it's always interesting to see events like this from the viewpoint of someone that is, you know, hasn't been going out for 20 years.

because I've talked to a few BFRO researchers, and they definitely have a certain viewpoint, but it's very cool to see things from someone who is new to the subject. But be interesting to, you know, definitely keep in touch. It'd be interesting to see if anything happens in the future for you as well. But thank you so much for coming on. And how do people, you know, if they want to go on their own expedition with the BFRO, how do they do that?

With the BFRO? Yeah. Just go literally just go on the BFR website and just like look at expeditions in your area. The fee, there is a fee. It's like a $300 to $500 fee and it sounds like a lot of money. But when you think about it from the place of that money is not really going to Matt Moneymaker.

I know a lot of people that have negative views towards Matt Moneymaker, which I don't really care too much. I don't really pay attention to the bigfoot politics, you know. But when you put it in perspective that most of this money isn't going to him, it's actually going to the expedition leads, the guys that are literally driving out of their way from like Scott Taylor, for an example, he drove it from Oregon, a couple of guys drove it from Idaho. They're getting reimbursed for gas money because, I mean, like,

you don't want to drive all the way from Boise and back or Portland and back, you know. So it's like these guys are doing it for fun. They're doing it because they want to experience the attention, the love and the dedication that they've put into this hobby to you guys. And they're trying to put it to you guys on a silver platter, showing that like years of experience, they just want to get to you. All they want to do is just have a good time.

And honestly, three to 500 bucks for it. It's like, I think that's reasonable. It's really worth it. Like you couldn't put a price tag on that experience. It was really cool. Yeah.

And I think the, the connections that you would make out of it and the people potentially you could meet at one of these events, that alone to me would probably be worth it in itself. I mean, you have, it sounds like you met O.P. members, you know, and were able to chat with them. And, I mean, that alone is, is awesome. So. Oh, it is.

It's actually, they're very rare and hard to get a hold of apparently. And it's actually getting to meet them and, like, experiencing, like, just talking to them. Like, because those guys are, like, veterans and they have years of experience and just hearing their stories. Like, I got some wild stories. And I love just listening to them, you know. Oh, I bet, man, I bet the stories that are shared. on those expeditions are pretty wild, but I bet they also probably stay in the expedition.

Oh, yeah, dude, I talk to a lot of guys that actually, a couple of the guys who actually worked on finding Bigfoot actually were there at the expedition. And they were telling me, like, behind the scenes, like the TV show, like how it went down. It was just like really different. It was really cool. Like here somebody who worked behind the scenes, like tell how it works behind the scenes, like how weird it was, you know?

Oh, that would be awesome. I can probably, I bet I can guess one or I can guess who those guys are, but I won't. But yeah, that's a cool thing about the Pacific Northwest events is you have some really cool people showing up. But Jonathan, thank you so much for reaching out to me. And I'm glad we had this chat. I think this is a fun one. So thank you. Yeah.

You're welcome. I just wanted to take a minute to say thank you truly for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Jonathan's story stands out not just because of the cone-headed figure caught on thermal or the chilling crack of a branch at 11 o'clock at night, but because it reminds us how curiosity, sometimes in the form of a bagpipe, can lead to unexpected moments of connection, wonder, and maybe even contact. If you enjoy this conversation, please subscribe to us on YouTube and hit that bell icon so you don't miss any new episode. and share this one with a friend who's in the Bigfoot, the Pacific Northwest, or just a seriously weird night in the woods. If you're listening on Apple Podcast or Spotify, make sure you're following the show, and if you'd be willing to leave a review, it really helps more people find us.

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