Bigfoot Society - Bigfoot in the Berkshires! | Massachusetts

Episode Date: February 27, 2025

Originally released 5/3/24In this gripping episode, we hear from TJ, a listener with harrowing tales of Bigfoot encounters in Great Barrington, Massachusetts, and Sevierville, Tennessee. TJ recounts a... camping trip with his uncle that spiraled into an eerie ordeal, with large, menacing creatures terrifying them in the dead of night. Later, TJ describes another bone-chilling encounter at a remote cabin in Tennessee, where his family experienced the brute strength and unsettling presence of an unknown creature. Sasquatch Summerfest this year, is July 11th through the 12th, 2025. It's going to be fantastic. Listeners, if you're going to go, you can get a two day ticket for the cost of one. If you use the code "BFS" like Bigfoot society and it'll get you some off your cost.Priscilla was a nice enough to provide that for my listeners. So there you go. I look forward to seeing you there. So make sure you head over to www. sasquatchsummerfest. com and pick up your tickets today.If you've had similar encounters or experiences, please reach out to bigfootsociety@gmail.com. Your story could be the next one we feature!🔴 Subscribe to our Youtube channel and leave a comment here: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Want to call in and leave a voicemail of your encounters for the podcast - Check this out here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsociety(Use multiple voice mails if needed!)Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: bigfootsociety@gmail.com

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Starting point is 00:01:55 All right, Bigfoot Society. You've got the privilege of talking to TJ tonight. T.J. is a listener of the show, and he reached out to me. I'd like to share some things that has happened to him over the years regarding Bigfoot. But how's it going today, T.J. Oh, good. How are you? Awesome. I'm excited to hear your accounts for a reason that I will share later. I kind of keep that in my back pocket for now.
Starting point is 00:02:22 but I'm going to go ahead and give the floor to you and you're welcome to share what has happened to you over these years. Okay. So my uncle, who was basically my father as well, he acted as both for me, he would take me on probably three to four camping trips every year. And it was what I looked forward to the most. And one of the places that I really enjoyed going to was up in Great Barrington, Massachusetts. and it's right on the New York, Massachusetts state line. You could probably throw a stone and hit New York from where we were. So this place, I was thinking about it,
Starting point is 00:03:04 and I'm not going to mention the name of the site because I just don't want to step on any toes, for one. I did a little reading on it, and I know what's closed down right now. It's in the process of being changing ownership, so I don't know who owns it anymore. So I just don't want to piss anybody off by mentioning it on the internet. But this is the type of place that it had a lake in it. I will say that. And it was one of those lakes that like you see on a screensaver, crystal clear and had stones on the bottom. It was just, you know, the most relaxing place you can imagine.
Starting point is 00:03:39 But we also went up there to go off-roading, you know, ATVs, all that other stuff, dirt biking. Not at the campsite. We actually went, I'm not sure if I remember the name of the mountain that we went to, but it was probably a 40-minute drive because of all the hills and turns you how to take. I think it was called Bear Mountain. I'm not sure if I have that right, but I think that it was.
Starting point is 00:04:00 So this trip, it was not like the others. The previous trips, I was just getting with excitement, ready to go, couldn't wait until he picked me up that Friday, and it was always on Memorial Day weekend. This was, it was like,
Starting point is 00:04:14 did you ever go somewhere or plan something? And from the start, everything was just Fubar. Well, this was that he got stuck in traffic on the way to come pick me up. We ended up being two hours late, and then we were trying to rush up there because that night, storms were supposed to roll in. So on top of that, we got stuck in traffic going up there, and everything was just messed up from the start. So luckily, we got up there with just enough time that you could see off in the distance from where the campsite was.
Starting point is 00:04:44 The storms come and just lightning and everything, and we were trying to set up our tents best as possible, so that we wouldn't get, you know, ringing down while we were trying to do it. So this place, when you pull in, it's a whole bunch of winding turns and campsites that are set up, and then you can go up just one road
Starting point is 00:05:04 and it follows you to the parking field. And the parking field is just this big open space, and then beyond that, it's just all dense woods. So it was pitch black by the time we got there. and we pulled into the parking space in the parking field and I remember getting out of the car because my uncle had his high beams on.
Starting point is 00:05:28 He had a Cadillac escalade that he was driving. And I remember getting out of the car and looking because I was always a little uneasy about dense woods at night. I don't know why. It's just how I've been since I was a kid. But I remember looking over there and that's when I noticed the eye shine.
Starting point is 00:05:46 and I didn't know a whole lot about nature and eyeshine and stuff like that at the time. You know, I saw wildlife during the day, but never really at night. So I pointed, you know, I called over to my uncle and I said, look at that. You know, I said, is that like deer or something like that? And I remember his face just turned concerned concerned right off the bat. And that bothered me because my uncle was the type of person. He was not scared of anything. he was he was out of his
Starting point is 00:06:21 mind and I mean that in the nicest way possible there was not much this man was scared of so when I saw a concern look on his face that that made me really nervous from the start and he kind of just brushed it off and he was like you know just don't pay attention to that just get the ten up you know we're about to get ringed on so
Starting point is 00:06:37 we did that and thankfully he had the sense enough about him that night that he took a blue tar and you know the little holes that come in the tarp little metal rings he tied it up to the part of the tent where the poles come out from underneath the tent because we couldn't get a great view of where we were that night and we were wherever we were there was a chance that rain was going to come under the tent and thank God he did that because that night I woke up probably 1 a.m.
Starting point is 00:07:06 from the thunder and there was a river running under the tent so we survived that night thankfully and I just had this feeling that there was just something off I couldn't change it when the Tommy woke up that morning and we left to go to Bear Mountain to go ATVing and it wasn't just us it was his friend had a camper that was just probably a few sides up from us up on a hill and it was usually a big group of us that went together but we were all spread out all over the campsite so it was just us kind of alone near the parking field and I think that's probably why I felt the way that I did because we were so close to what we had seen that night so we kind of just forgot about it,
Starting point is 00:07:51 went off-roading that day, had a blast. And I remember we were parked in the field. We had the trailers unloaded. And it was about probably two hours before we were set to leave. We heard people screaming. Just bloody murder screaming.
Starting point is 00:08:10 Now, there's bears up there. So we thought that that was it. These people in their ATV came pulling ass out of the trail. And they just, like maniacs, went to their car, which was just a few cars down from where we were parked and started loading everything up as quick as we could. And my uncle went up to them to try to say, like, is there a bear back there? These people wouldn't even acknowledge him. It was like he didn't exist. He was trying to get their attention to see, like, you know, what's going on?
Starting point is 00:08:40 You know, is there something we need to be worried about? They didn't acknowledge him the whole time. They packed up as fast as they could and sped out of there. we should have known after that that we should have just left and went home because after that it just gave off on top of the night before that it just gave off bad that something was not right
Starting point is 00:08:58 so that kind of killed the mood after that because everybody was really concerned about what was going on and we figured you know what let's just take the loss we're going to come back tomorrow anyway pack the stuff up and we'll go back to the campsite to eat so we got back to the campsite and it was just about dusk
Starting point is 00:09:18 And my uncle, wherever we would camping, he bought this huge, old-school white eagle with a cooler with it. And, you know, I don't know if you know what I'm talking about. They had the double doors on it. And that's where we had all of food, the fruit, everything. It was all stored in there. And I guess we were so tired that night that we made the mistake of not putting the cooler in the truck in the escalate. So that's probably what set this whole thing in motion. So I was exhausted and everybody else was true.
Starting point is 00:09:50 So we went to bed. And until this day, I cannot figure out what woke me up that night. But I remember waking up, I'm not 100% sure what time it was because this was before the age of cell phones. I didn't have a cell phone or anything. It was 2005. So it was just entering that error. But I was 15. I didn't have a cell phone with me.
Starting point is 00:10:12 You know, kids didn't have cell phones. And it's not like today. and I remember waking up and I just had this terrible feeling like something was wrong and I turned to my right which was where my uncle was sleeping off to the side of me and I noticed he was already up
Starting point is 00:10:29 and the tent that we had because you know the mountains in Massachusetts during that time of year you get that cool breeze blowing at night you want the top off it blows right on your face keeps you nice and comfortable at night but there was you know see-through mesh that it wasn't a big
Starting point is 00:10:46 tent so if you sat up you could see through to the outside and I remember seeing his face and he was ghost white and he was staring at something and I nudged him to ask him you know what was going on because I've never seen
Starting point is 00:11:04 a look of concern on this man's face like that before and I automatically knew something was really wrong and then I turned my head to see what he was looking at and that's when I saw two of them. And I let out a gas because I was not prepared for what I had just looked at. And they were massive.
Starting point is 00:11:31 So my uncle's escalade, I remember the one, its waist was up to the window on the driver's side. So this thing was towering over the escalate. Like it could probably see over the escalate no problem, like in a clear view. And the other one was staring at my uncle and it did not look happy. And I gasped. And it was just involuntary. I had no way to control it. And that's when it turned its attention to me.
Starting point is 00:12:05 And the crazy thing was once it did that, its whole demeanor changed. it went from looking pissed off and angry to gentle. I guess that's the best way I could put it. And that's what was the craziest part about it. It was, you know, I've always had the type of a baby face when I was younger, so it must have realized I was just a kid at the time. And I don't know if that's what it was, but that's how I reasoned it. that it realized he had a kid with him
Starting point is 00:12:40 and it like not you know it turned it down it didn't want to scare me and I remember when I first looked at it my stomach turned like my nerves were just all bunched up
Starting point is 00:12:54 and it was almost like I was gonna throw up because I was just so scared I was trembling and it was like I just I didn't know what was happening it was like being in a horror movie where you just couldn't I didn't know anything about this stuff then. You know, I grew up in the suburbs of Long Island.
Starting point is 00:13:12 Nobody talks about that stuff there. So it was like my brain was just trying to process what I was looking at. And when I couldn't find an answer, I was starting to freak out. And the other crazy part was once its demeanor change, there was this calmness that rushed over me. And I don't know what caused it because I went from freaking out almost having a panic attack. to this warm, relaxed feeling. And once that happened, my uncle finally snapped out of the trance he was in. And once he saw me looking at it, he pulled me back and just kind of shove my face into the sleeping leg.
Starting point is 00:13:56 And I remember him saying, don't move. And that's when I heard it speak. It was just one word. And I will remember it. It's seared into my brain. And it said, Enoch. At least that's how I remember Enoch. And I don't know if it was talking to the other one or what.
Starting point is 00:14:21 But right after that, I heard some commotion. And these things tore us out of our camp. And I don't know why I got up to look again, but I did. These things covered 300 yards and probably four seconds. And the crazy thing was it took our cooler with them. because I guess it must have been the one side of the cooler had a hinge that was broken
Starting point is 00:14:43 the clamp so it never stayed close so I guess it looked in there so all the goodies that we had and it was like well I'm not this is coming with us whether you like it or not and I remember as it ran
Starting point is 00:14:59 into the woods it sounded like a bulldozer was going through those woods and what creeping out even more as it went into the woods, there were three more sets of eyeshine that came over as soon as these things entered the woods. I don't know if it was like they were watching out for them or what. So there was five all together. And just the fact that I knew that there was five of these things out there,
Starting point is 00:15:24 I was freaking out. And I remember after it left that calm, this feeling just left. And I was back into panic mode. And I was begging my uncle to just please leave. And that was the first time I normally he's like ah just suck it up you know it's going to be okay don't be scared he said we didn't even take the tent he got us all in the car and drove us up to the trailer that his friend was staying at and i remember he was he was in a complete panic he was knocking on the door and you know that's when they knew something was wrong because for my uncle of all people to be knocking on your door at whatever time it was in a panic something is wrong so thankfully they were nice enough to let us stay there that night.
Starting point is 00:16:09 But we left the next morning very early. Miles didn't want anything to do with it. And that was the last time we ever went there. He never wanted to go back to that place after. And this was probably one of his favorite spots aside from Kinetini that he enjoyed going to. And he wouldn't talk about it with me the whole right home. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. This is Matt Rogers from Las Coltranexas with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang.
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Starting point is 00:19:44 It was like he just wanted to forget it. and I remember his escalate had a sunroof and he pulled the sunroof back as we were driving down the mountain in the shade and I was looking at it as the sunroof was opening and before the glass opened once the shade pulled back there was a perfect handprint on the glass and it was so big it was pretty much overlapping the sunroof that's how big this this print was
Starting point is 00:20:16 So after that, he refused to talk about it with me. And I had so many questions because I wanted to know what happened that night. Because I still have nightmares about it until this day. I'm not ashamed to admit that. There's still times I go to bed. And it's like I'm back in that place or it's some type of similar scenario. And I'll wake up with a cold sweat because it freaks me out. And unfortunately, he's passed away now.
Starting point is 00:20:45 But even when I need it. knew he was coming to the end. I figured I wanted to give this one more shot to talk about it with him. He wouldn't do it even when he was on his deathbed. He wanted nothing to do it that night ever again. He refused to talk about it. He was the type that didn't like anything he couldn't rationally explain. He was a very devoted Catholic and if it couldn't be explained by God or some other reasonable scientific explanation, he didn't want anything to do with it. And he would get angry at me because there were times over the years I begged him to just talk about it with me so we could see if he both saw the same thing.
Starting point is 00:21:21 You know, did we really both see this? Did that really happen? And he would get angry and he would just don't, I don't want to talk about it. And that was the end of it. So it kind of bugs me that we never really had a serious conversation about it till this day. You know, and that'll never happen. But yeah, that night was, that was something. It was bizarre. It really, really was.
Starting point is 00:21:43 You know, you go from thinking the world is one way, one minute, having that all shattered in just a few moments, it messes you up pretty good. It really, really does. And I don't talk about it with most people anyway, because I know how people are about it, and I just, I don't want to, I don't have the patience for it.
Starting point is 00:22:03 You know, the way I'm thinking is, you know, if you want to be ignorant and just refuse to believe that these things are out there, that's, I'm not going to sit there and beg you to believe it. I know what I saw. You know, it's scary that these things, things are out there and we're being looked at as the crazy ones. There's something really wrong with that.
Starting point is 00:22:25 Just, it was just so impressive how big they were. That's what really got me, how massive these things were. I'm sorry for the curse words. I grew up in Italian family, so it's a second language to me. But, yeah, that was a night. That's for sure. T.J., that's wild. That's, I mean, first off.
Starting point is 00:22:49 I'm sorry you lost your uncle. Thank you. I appreciate that. So just the one last detail that I want to forget to tell you. Definitely. After we left, about a week later, we got a call from the person that ran the campsite saying that our cooler was found in the parking field and the doors were ripped off the hinges. And they, you know, they called my uncle and they were yelling at him, why did you do that and leave your cooler there? and he's you know he tried
Starting point is 00:23:20 I don't know what exactly he told them but I don't know if he said a bear got into it or something like that it was something wrong those lines because he didn't even want to tell those people what he saw and I think he was more pissed because I think he knew that the people that run that campsite knew these things are there just when I go back and look at it this is not the first time they've done that
Starting point is 00:23:40 this is not the first time those things have gone into somebody's camp and took something or the first time they had an interaction with people at that campsite it's it they were way too calm about it you know even though like I said they were they had that one had a grimacing face just that around and find out face when he was looking at my uncle you could tell it was just like posture and like just let me do what I'm going to do and I'm going to leave you know but the other scary thing was you know when you look back and realize it just those two things alone could have tore ass through that entire campsite and nobody would
Starting point is 00:24:15 have been able to do anything about it they could have done anything they wanted to to those campsites or anybody that was there that night and nobody wouldn't be able to stop them. Just the size of them and the muscular, the muscles they had on them. I don't think anybody could have done anything. And by the time somebody called for help, it would have been too late. And I think that's what scared me the most. How perilous, you know, I felt in that situation. I had no control over it.
Starting point is 00:24:43 And I'm the type of person that doesn't like that. have to be in control of certain things or I just am not cool with it. And knowing I was just completely powerless to everything that was happening that night is what really, I think, pushed it over for me. For me, camping-wise, and I don't enjoy it the same way that I used to. Or if I do go camping, I know it's going to be in a really well-populated area where, you know, it's not super dense woods or anything like that because I just can't enjoy it anymore.
Starting point is 00:25:14 And it sucks that it's like that, but it's, just that every time like I get into a you know a dense area like that that feeling just replays in my head of how I felt with that the pure terror that was flowing through me that night and I just can't do it I can't deal with it but yeah sorry I just wanted to add that in before I forgot my ADHD brain skips over details it's it's hard I totally get that I'm right there with you wow that is an extremely intense encounter Thank you for sharing that. It sounds like you haven't really shared it to many people at all.
Starting point is 00:25:55 And like I said, it's because I just don't want to deal with it really cool. Right. You know, because it's something I take seriously because it did affect me in a very physical way, not just emotionally, you know, it affected me in a physical way. So it's,
Starting point is 00:26:11 to even talk to anybody that's just going to sit there and laugh at you, it's, I'll snap. Because I know how I felt that night. and I'm not going to deal with somebody to make it fun of it. You know, if I know somebody really wants to hear it, I will tell it. But to just some random person now, that's why I was comfortable to come on here because I, I listened to your episodes and I saw how serious you take this.
Starting point is 00:26:35 You know, I know this is the hobby for you. No, this is it, man. Dude, this is it for, I'm not even kidding. For the next 30 years, at least this is it. Like, I take it extremely seriously. So is it okay if I ask you a few questions about names from that night? It sounds like you got a pretty good look at the two creatures. Do you remember any details about how the face looked?
Starting point is 00:27:02 I know you've said that you saw emotions, but do you remember anything, any other details? Yeah, so the one thing was why I was able to meet them out so clearly was because our campfire was still going just enough that it was shining light on them. and the creepiest part was the one that was standing on the opposite side of the fire. I could see its hair, which it had like, it was almost like a reddish brown, but the fire was causing it to also have eyes shine at the same time. So this thing was no more than 10 yards away from me, but it was staring at me with its eyes glowing. And that's probably what set me off to just go into panic mode,
Starting point is 00:27:41 because it was just so not normal. the way it was, you know, it was like a staring hole for my soul type of thing. Right. And then the other one that was off to the side by my uncle's truck, it was also the same. It had reddish brown hair, and that was the bigger one. I think that one, if I'm looking back at it in my head, that one probably had a foot and a half on the other one, maybe a little more. I couldn't tell the eye color on that one because of how dark it was. And it was far enough from the fire that it, I guess to angle it was at,
Starting point is 00:28:19 was it catching that eye shine. I don't know if it has, the light has to hit the eyes a certain way for that to happen. But I remember you could see this part of the face here. And everything else was just hair. Like it had a super long beard. And then the long hair that kind of went back at its head, it was kind of matted. But it was also, it seemed like it was well kept.
Starting point is 00:28:46 It looked on some places like sleek, like it was being brushed almost. Like they take care of themselves. The hands were massive. And I could tell that even before we found that handprint on the window of the sunroof. I mean, it could probably put its whole hand around my head and squish it, no problems, especially then when I was 15. They were also, the arms were insanely long. I remember that, like abnormally long.
Starting point is 00:29:16 impaired to us. I couldn't tell where they, how far they went down, but because they were kind of like this. Their arms weren't down at their sides. They were up in the air. So I don't know, you know, I know a lot of people say they go below the knees. I would have to say they probably definitely did, but I can't say it for sure, because like I said, they weren't hanging down. They weren't like just standing there. You could tell they were investigating our campsite. They were trying to figure out what they could take from us. At least that's what I think they were doing, especially since they just took the whole cooler and ran off.
Starting point is 00:29:53 And the other thing that I know that the arms weren't seen along, because this thing picked up an insanely large, a glue cooler, like it was carrying a baby and ran off with ease. So the muscle, and this thing was packed with ice. I mean, it was only there for a night.
Starting point is 00:30:11 No thing was held ice for days. So the fact that this thing picked it up at one hand and just kind of hunched it over on its side like it was it was nothing and ran off was just it was it was nuts when you know when i go back and think about it just knowing how much weight that probably had that me and my uncle two people were having trouble lifting that thing and this thing picked it up like a baby that's that's scary that's a that's a scary level of strength right there the one thing i don't remember is the feet. Okay. I don't remember looking down there. I was so focused on the face and the body that I just didn't look down there. I would have to say there were male. That I would have to say I didn't notice any female features on them. They were definitely, you know, broad chested for sure. You know, you could tell there's a lot of muscle up here. And that was, I mean, the hair on it was really thick. So the fact you could see the muscle under the,
Starting point is 00:31:18 the hair was really impressive. Did you, I know you already kind of talked about how, how they were in, you know, how looking at the escalade and how one of them looked next to it. If you had to estimate, like, how tall each of them were, would you be able to estimate the height of them? The big one had to be easily over 10 feet over, because I know the top of the escalate, I think is about six feet, maybe six two, if I'm remembering right, and this thing towered over it.
Starting point is 00:32:00 I mean, it was just, it was almost comical how much bigger this thing was that. And it escalates that small car truck. I mean, it's big. So the fact this thing just towered over it. And like I said, it's hip was at the glass, the window of the passenger side. so that should give you an idea of how massive this thing was because me standing at the I'm 5-11 so me standing at the passenger side of an escalate probably goes up to here on at least so the fact that that was its waste I mean yeah
Starting point is 00:32:39 I can't give you an accurate number but just just a guesstimate it had to be over 10 feet were you able to notice did you notice anything about the mouth like could you see teeth anything I thought yes I could see teeth from the first one because it was almost like a smile when it was looking at my uncle
Starting point is 00:32:59 but it wasn't a smile it was like a I don't know what I have a husky so if my husky goes after prey you know how its lip comes up you know a dog and it shows its teeth that's what it looked like it was doing so I couldn't see the color but I could see teeth that that was plain as day
Starting point is 00:33:26 the lips I don't know I don't know the color looks were I really don't it was you know this is a weird combination of being a blur and steered into my mind at the same time if that makes sense
Starting point is 00:33:49 absolutely yeah seeing the the teeth on on one of the creatures were you able to to see what the shape of the teeth were at all? Our teeth. Okay. That was the first thing I know.
Starting point is 00:34:03 Our teeth, really? Yes. Just much bigger. Okay. And so that being that, like how they were rounded? Yeah, no, I mean, it's, it's jaw. It looked like they, they go like that. Really?
Starting point is 00:34:17 It didn't look like they flat or anything like that. It looked like they curved to the side almost. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. This is Matt Rod. from Los Culture Eastas with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang. This is Bowen-Yang from Los Culture Reesters with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang. Spend your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card and earn up to 5% cashbacks on your favorite bundle of brands when you join Venmo's stash. Your rewards come from bundles of brands you can keep or switch every 30 days, so you can choose the ones that match your everyday spending.
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Starting point is 00:37:14 Text iHeart to 505.05. You were able to see the eyes, correct? Yes. Did you notice anything about the pupils? So the one, I couldn't see its pupils because, like I said, it was given off that eyes shine glow. Right.
Starting point is 00:37:41 The other one, they just look black. Now, I don't know if that was, because it was dark, but I didn't notice really any white in the, it just looked black. Like, it was like staring into a hole almost. The nose of the creatures, did you notice anything out of the ordinary about the nose, like how it was shaped? More like a gorilla, more like a human. It looked more like, you know how we have like a ridge here? There's look more like it went down. Like, this didn't stick out as much.
Starting point is 00:38:14 It went like that type of thing. So it's flat flatten? Yeah. Yeah. The bridge with the nose didn't look like it was there. Oh, wow. What about the forehead above the eyes, that area? How would you describe that?
Starting point is 00:38:35 That was just skin. Okay. There was no hair that I could notice. And I didn't notice that the one when it was like snarling at my uncle, you could see the wrinkles in its forehead. and they were so prominent. It looked like it had like almost extra skin there. Like when it did that, you could clearly see the bumps from it doing that. Gotcha.
Starting point is 00:38:57 You were able to see hair on the creatures. It sounded like, how long would you estimate that the hair was? I could compare it to my husky. Okay. It was like a husky length hair almost. So a few inches? Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:16 Okay. You mentioned that there. almost like kind of a main of hair or were you able to see a shape to the head through that? I didn't notice that it didn't go like, you know, our heads are like rounded. Right. It looked like a lot more before it went back. Okay. Trying to stick what to compare that to.
Starting point is 00:39:46 I don't know. It just looked like elongated almost. It almost looked like it was elongated at the top. Like there was extra, like their skulls weren't rounded at the top. Was this your first introduction to anything with Bigfoot? Yes. Okay. So this is where it's interesting because any other person that I asked that question,
Starting point is 00:40:10 they would have been like this. But the fact that you have to like think of how to describe that, man, it's very, yeah, wow. So this is your first, this incident is your first foray into Bigfoot. It's not like you're watching the documentaries. and in search of like this is not you. Wow. Like I said,
Starting point is 00:40:29 on the suburbs of the Long Island, Hockwood with my life. Yeah. Oh, man. I didn't watch shit on the same channel like other people do. I was always outdoors, you know, that's where I lived with my friends.
Starting point is 00:40:40 We were on our bikes, you know, causing some type of mischief or playing video games or I didn't even know it was a thing. That's really why it. So the only mythology that I knew before this was, I don't know if you've ever heard of snipe.
Starting point is 00:40:55 Yeah. It's not real. Absolutely. The adults made up around the campfire and it's just scare kids. And when we would go on these camping trips, like I said, there was always a big group of us at night. They used to take the kids night hunting. And the adults would hide in the bars and they would jump out and scare us. That's the most I knew about anything.
Starting point is 00:41:16 Wow. That was it. This is very, very wild. The way that the creature looked to you is just some of the creature. you, is this something that you would more see in like a zoo type setting or like you would almost see like you could be walking in the city and you might see a person that looks kind of similar to how they looked? There were features about it that are definitely human. But if you saw one of these things walking in the city, you're going to know. Okay.
Starting point is 00:41:50 It was that different. I guess un-evolved is the best way. it's like almost human but not modern human okay yep i wouldn't say caveman but i guess somewhere in between that were there anything anything you noticed about the creatures that reminded you of different apes or monkeys that you would see in the zoo i'm going to get flack for that question but i'm just going to ask it no this thing didn't look like that i mean i guess there were some similarities, but no. No, I would never go to a zoo and think a gorilla
Starting point is 00:42:35 look like a big foot or a chimp. No. Or like an orangutan. I'm not going to sit here and say that they all look the same. You know, I don't. Who knows that? Right. No. But no, I wouldn't mistake in a gorilla or a chimp for it.
Starting point is 00:42:55 It sounds like you saw them move a bit. Was there anything about the way that they moved that was weird, like the way that they were running or walking anything out of the ordinary about their gate? From what I saw, it was, I hope this is the right word, methodic. Every movement looked like it was four areas. And the other crazy thing that I noticed was when they ran off, I didn't hear a thing. And you would think something that big, until they got to the forest.
Starting point is 00:43:35 that's when I heard them crash into trees. Before that, when they were running through the field, I didn't hear anything. It was almost like they were running in silent mode. And I couldn't explain that. Because as big as these things were, if they were running, you would think you would hear it. And it was like almost somehow they were running in a way that they weren't making sound, which really creep me out when I thought about it. You know, the longer time goes on, you start thinking about it.
Starting point is 00:44:08 stuff and start analyzing things a little differently. And the more I put the details together, the more creeps me out. Absolutely. The fact one of these things can run and not make a noise, I mean, you could be in the middle of the forest, one of these things will sneak up on you and not know what's there. Yeah. And the fact, something that big can do that is crazy. It is wild.
Starting point is 00:44:37 So you having no introduction to Bigfoot before this, did you have anything in your mind then that told you, okay, what am I looking at right now? Or you were just, you had no idea what you were looking at. I didn't know. I had not a clue. To me, it was like a monster. That was how my brain was reasoning it at the moment. It was like a real life monster.
Starting point is 00:44:59 It was like something out of a Stephen King novel, Stephen King Doble had come to life. You've already mentioned that you do have nightmares about this. And so that was, I'm going to guess, I mean, what's been going on for? like 20 years? Yeah, it's been a while. Okay.
Starting point is 00:45:18 Is it just a replaying of the events, usually when you have those? Sometimes I am back in that scenario. Other times it's something completely different, but I am in the woods and I know something is coming and I could hear it and I know what it is and I'm panicking the whole dream and then it's almost like right before I see it, I wake up. Do they ever talk to you in the dreams or anything like that? Every once in a while I'll hear that one word that I mentioned to you. The word, Enoch.
Starting point is 00:45:59 Yeah. Enoch, Enoch or something like that. It was, the fact that it talked was just weird. Because of how deep it was. It wasn't like me and you talking right now. Right. It had so much base in its voice. Have you ever looked into what that word might mean?
Starting point is 00:46:21 No, I'm not even sure it's a real, real word. It is, I can tell you, it's a real word, religious word. The Book of Enoch has to do with, it's one of the books that weren't put into the canon of the Bible. And it has to do with things like the Nephilim, which is like, you know, the giant. you may have heard of and some people think that those are related to Bigfoot, but it's very, very interesting that that's, excuse me, the one word that they said. It's going to take me a while to process that for sure. I'm very familiar with that area since my grandparents lived in Great Barrington.
Starting point is 00:47:12 So I spent... It is a beautiful area. I was not into Bigfoot at the time because I was a little kid. but I'm very familiar with the Great Barrington area. My father grew up there. Western Massachusetts is extremely wild, and I have no doubt in my mind that there are Bigfoot in Western Massachusetts, especially around that area.
Starting point is 00:47:35 I'm pretty sure I'm aware of which that Bear Mountain area. There's a few different places it might be. But it's, man, I was just imagining the woods. out there, you know, the phrase is that there be dragons out in western Massachusetts because it is wild out there. You know, Massachusetts is not just Boston. It is, you get out. That's not a place you want to be at night with no flashback. I remember one of the first times I ventured up that far as a kid. That's when I found out what true darkness was. Absolutely. Absolutely. And, you know, we went hiking in an area. We went,
Starting point is 00:48:18 camping out in this meadow and we're just camping in the middle of this meadow and one night we had a pack of coyotes just like run through the middle of the field jump over people sleeping bags like it's a wild place out there have you ever done any research to see if there are any other incidents that happened in that same area bigfoot related i've browsed the problem is i couldn't figure out how to use some of the maps like there's one i know i stumbled across that was like woody or something like that, but I think those sightings were only limited to like the middle, like Texas. Yeah, they're going to be more Oklahoma and Texas, yep. I come across a couple years ago, this one map that gave so many sightings, I can't find it
Starting point is 00:49:02 again, but it had a lot in the northeast area. And I remember trying to look one night, and it was like really fidgety. So it crashed a lot, and I had kind of given up on it, and then I went to find it again, and it was gone. but it looked like you know that one picture floating around that shows the sightings and it's like the whole United States
Starting point is 00:49:26 it looked like it in the aspect of the markers that they used the little Bigfoot that's what it exactly looked like on that map that I pulled up that night except it was virtual and you could zoom in places and see the reports one you could look up that would be really similar to that and that's really good
Starting point is 00:49:44 is if you go to Bigfootmap.com it's Bigfoot mapping project and it takes data from all different parts of places, and that would give you the info that you'd be looking for, for sure. I'm not going to lie for a while. I was too scared to look. Yeah. No, I bet.
Starting point is 00:50:02 I mean, when you bring these feelings back out in yourself, it's hard to deal with. It really is. Like I said, I'm not the type person that likes feeling that way. So. And never,
Starting point is 00:50:16 it feels like you'd never been. drawn to go back to that place ever. That's a never go back there. The side of me wants to. On the common sense side of me. Not so much. Yeah. I mean, you just wait until you find out where I live here in a minute.
Starting point is 00:50:35 You have heard of a Uari? You live in North Carolina. Oh, sorry. It's okay. You live in the UR National Forest? Ten minutes above it. Holy mackerel. Dude.
Starting point is 00:50:46 Oh, my goodness. Oh, my goodness. did you know about it when you moved there? Not after we moved here. Holy mackerel. You moved right into the middle of the fire. Like one of the craziest areas for Bigfoot sightings. North Carolina is nuts in that area.
Starting point is 00:51:05 Oh, my goodness. You don't have the devil's tramping grounds? No. You go look that up after we get off this. Okay. You're going to have your mind blown. Really? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:20 I will definitely. Let me make a note. of that real quick. You ever are out this way. There's a, I get the name of the road, but the rest stop is called El Dorado. Yep. And it's right in the middle of you are in national forest and the entire store is dedicated to Bigfoot. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:51:36 Yeah. I've talked to a few, at least one person that lives in the middle of that forest and they were, I mean, their house was being just attacked by some creature, which they feel is Bigfoot. it is because they were pretty much doing landscaping on their property. So you live a few minutes away from there. That's why. Has you ever gone to the forest, done any hiking in there? Not yet. Okay.
Starting point is 00:52:04 Yeah. It's going to take some courage to muster up for that one. But, I mean, I can't say that the whole area, you know, right it off because they have off-road trails there. They have really nice cabins for camping. And then there's bad in the lake that you could just go pull your RV right up next to wait. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. This is Matt Rogers from Los Culture Eastas with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang. This is Bowen-Yang from Los Culture Easters with Matt Rogers and Boan-Yang.
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Starting point is 00:55:22 Text eye heart to 5.0505. I mean, I would be stupid to not use that just because, you know, what happened. And, you know, I got two kids now that are going to want to experience all that stuff, you know. I'm not going to keep them inside and not let go experience nature because something happened to me. Exactly, yeah. That's not the only thing that you've had happened to you, Bigfoot, related. Yeah, yeah. So that was last year before the birth of my second son. We went out to Tennessee to stay up in the mountains to go see Dolly World. And, you know, that whole area down there is just a tourist trap. So, you know, my wife couldn't do much because she was two months away from giving birth. So we found this nice cabin in the woods, the one that I had sent to. And I remember when we got there that night. I had that feeling again.
Starting point is 00:56:35 And it was, I chalked it up to, this is just the first time I've been in that remote of an area in a very long time. So it was my nerves playing with me. Now, this one isn't as, isn't as exciting as the previous one. But it's more, it's scary. But I remember my father-in-law went out to smoke his cigar that night, and he came in and he said he saw something staring at him from the woods. And automatically, it was like, oh, you guys? got to be shitting me. You know, please don't tell me that that's happening again. So I just didn't want to, didn't want to know. I didn't want to know. So I went to bed that night with
Starting point is 00:57:12 my wife, my kid. I was just, you know, focused on, you know, having a smooth night because it was our first night there. At 2 a.m. So the way this house was set up was, it was like three stories. We were the bottom bedroom on the bottom floor of the house, which is pretty much even with the mountain. And there's a depth that comes out. But after the deck, there's probably like a 20-foot drop that goes off.
Starting point is 00:57:40 And then there's another level that had a hot tub and a swing that was a western-style horse saddle. And then there was another story on top of that. At 2 a.m., I heard the most terrifying roar
Starting point is 00:57:58 ever that it woke me out of dead sleep. And followed by that, it felt like somebody pulled the side of the house off. Shortly after that, it sounded like something was thrown through the woods.
Starting point is 00:58:18 So my father, he's an ex-marine. So he's something that's going on. He's going to go investigate it. Something ripped the swing, and these
Starting point is 00:58:32 were still changed that were bolted into the beams of the house. Something gripped the horse saddle off the house and threw it about 80 yards into the woods. And I knew the sound.
Starting point is 00:58:48 Once it yelled or whatever it did, I knew the sound and I knew what it was. And I probably sat there in bed for about 10 minutes just unable to move because I knew what was happening. And then I heard a whole bunch of commotion upstairs. And I
Starting point is 00:59:04 my stepdad was screaming. My stepdad, my father-in-law was screaming. And I knew what was going on. And I felt bad because I just went into that panic state. My wife was trying to figure out what's happening, and I couldn't even answer her. And then my kid was crying because it woke him up. And I'm not kidding, it's not like, sat up because the side of the house would pull off. And I don't know what set it off.
Starting point is 00:59:32 I don't know what set it off. I guess we just pissed it off somehow. But, you know, this was never being. we had to let them know what happens because they were going to come back to the next team but he like what the what did you guys do you know so
Starting point is 00:59:47 my father-in-law called him to tell him something happened something came and ripped the horse thing off and this guy was way too cool about it way too cool about it didn't blame us for it didn't say oh well you're going to have to pay for that he just said I'm sorry that happened
Starting point is 01:00:04 and that was the end of the conversation that was it that was it thankfully nothing else happened in the rest of the trip. But I don't know why it picked our cabin that night. I don't know what set it off, but something pissed it off so bad that it ripped that thing out like it was a toy.
Starting point is 01:00:23 And they found it. I mean, they found the chains and it, like, wrapped up all around the saddle, and it was probably about 80 yards of this team. It wasn't light. It was not like anything that could throw that thing that far.
Starting point is 01:00:40 That's, it's terrifying. It really is. just the raw strength that these things have scares me. And I think that's what what scares me about them the most. Is that if you ever come up against one that's pissed off like that, what are you going to do?
Starting point is 01:00:57 You ain't going to be quick enough to do whatever you need to do. If it's close enough to you, you're done. That's game over right there. And I think that's what scares me the most, knowing that something could have you that powerless. Was that around like the Severville Pigeon Forge area? yep seaverville
Starting point is 01:01:24 seaverville really yep I knew it dude yep because I've had another report similar setup
Starting point is 01:01:35 Airbnb log cabin type deal I just I just had a feeling dude wow that is the crazy thing is that he's like
Starting point is 01:01:47 he's pretty much like oh happened again yeah that was basically it that was basically it that's that's the gist that i got from you know my father and i'll call him expecting to be yelled at and he was going to have to argue with him that he didn't do it and this guy was just like a motion to i'll tell you what that area of tennessee some wild stuff that goes on in that area and more than more than bigfoot too they call them the ridge walkers and i mean that's pretty much what they're doing i mean there's no flat land over there it's a disaster
Starting point is 01:02:29 I mean living up there you know it's I don't know how people do it I mean it's beautiful don't get me wrong but I prefer flat land as you come out to Iowa it's pretty flat out here
Starting point is 01:02:46 oh that's wild Tj man dude you have gone through some wild wild stuff and like you know I'm not going to lie to you like being in North Carolina, there's a chance. You know, there could be other stuff that happens too, but I mean, it sounds like you kind of,
Starting point is 01:03:12 you got a handle on it, you know, it's not going to, this isn't going to ruin your life, you know? No, no. I mean, I've been through quite a bit aside from that. So it's, you know, you can't let things ruin the fun you want to have, you know, in life as short as it is. it's more just less pisses me off that they know
Starting point is 01:03:34 what's out there just from the reading that I've done over the years they know these things are out there they're not telling anybody the government you know whoever it is that's in charge of these
Starting point is 01:03:46 decisions right I don't buy the whole wall if we tell them and then people are going to stop going to parks like really this is America
Starting point is 01:03:59 you really think people are just going to stop because they know there's something crazy the woods, they go to Yellowstone knowing that a grizzly bear could walk by and eat their face off. Absolutely. If that's not stopping anybody, I doubt something like that is going to prevent anybody from going out and enjoying nature, you know, although it sometimes does.
Starting point is 01:04:18 But that's for the unlucky schmucks like me that have to have a face-to-face and count on with them. It's wild. Yeah, and I don't know. I try and rationalize why it happened, but there was no rationale. It was just wrong place, wrong time. that's really what it comes down to, at least I think. You know, I've read a lot of opinions that they choose to reveal themselves too. I don't know if that's true.
Starting point is 01:04:46 You know, I am a nature person. I don't hunt or anything like that, not that I'm against it. You know, if you're hunting for food and stuff like that, then you're doing the right thing. Right. But that's not me. I've never been able to do it. I just don't have the heart for it. You know?
Starting point is 01:05:03 So I don't know. maybe it's that is true maybe they sense the calm demeanor in people that who is and who isn't safe yeah i i believe you probably are onto something there that's something i've been thinking through and i yeah it's that's a whole different discussion for sure but i think you might be on to something there tj i want to say thank you for for discussing for talking about this with me. You know, I've tried for years to growing up in Massachusetts, like I get it because one, New England people, New Englanders don't talk to you if they don't know you. And especially about weird stuff, I get that because that's where I grew up in
Starting point is 01:05:55 Western Massachusetts. So, but I've been trying for years to talk to someone and you're one of the only people that have reached out. So thank you for being so open to share what you shared in that area. And it has been, it's been fun talking to you about, it's been on light, it's been an lightning talking to you. I should say that instead. Thank you for, for sharing that whole area Tennessee is, is weird as well. I think there's more to, to come out of that from other listeners. but we did talk earlier that you're up for there's a new thing that I'm trying for the Patreon and the YouTube channel members trying to come up with a name for I think maybe strange days but pretty much we have a conversation about weird stuff that you may have experienced
Starting point is 01:06:51 that's not Bigfoot related and I've done it a few times it's led to some really interesting conversations. So if you want to check that out, you can become a Patreon. The links will be at the description. But yeah, I think we're going to have a chat. I got a few questions to ask you about that. But I just want to say thank you so much for coming on, TJ. Oh, no problem. Anytime. I appreciate you having me. I just want to take a few minutes to say thank you to you, all my listeners, for listening to the podcast. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell. so you don't miss any notifications and share the episode on YouTube with a friend.
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