Bigfoot Society - Bigfoot in the Meadow — And He Had No Idea We Were Watching | Oregon

Episode Date: October 3, 2025

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You're listening to Bigfoot Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first-hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways, the stories come from everywhere. And each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. So settle in because today you'll hear another account. that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us.

All right, Bigfoot Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Jim today. Jim is a hunter who reached out to me from the Pacific Northwest over email. He has been out there quite a bit. That's an understatement. And he's had some really interesting things happen. Areas we'll be talking about today have definitely come up on the show. If you're aware of the Oregon Bigfoot Highway,

then you'll probably be familiar with, a lot of the areas we'll be talking about today. But welcome to the show, Jim. How are you doing, sir? I'm doing great. Thank you. How are you doing? Doing good.

We've already had a little chat before you went out and went hunting. I think it was maybe a week or so ago. And that was an enjoyable time. And I've been looking forward to chatting with you again because you are definitely an individual who, I mean, the amount of time you spend in the woods is incredible. Do you mind sharing a little bit about how much time you're actually out there every year? I'm out there a bunch. On my busier years, I'm probably in the woods, maybe 300 days a year.

You know, people have a lot of things they do for entertainment. I scout around and take drives in the mountains and, you know, try to get out and venture and keep on top of what the animals are doing and so on and so forth. So I hunt virtually almost year-round. I spring bear hunt and do quite a bit of scouting leading into that. And then from spring bear, we go right into the summertime, which then it's time to start following the elk and keeping an eye on where the bucks are. And then we turn around in August 1st, we open up fall bear season. And then September 1st or right about there, we open our archery.

elk season and then October 1st we open our blacktail deer season and then and then that goes all the way into the first week in November and then the second week in November we start our rifle elk season and then if we haven't gotten fall bears yet then we you know continue to hunt bears all the way till the 31st of December depending on weather but typically the only time that I'm not there regularly in the mountains is, is, you know, probably, you know, Christmas up through February 1st or so. And then we go snow wheel on. So we go four wheeling in the snow because, you know, that's what you can do at that time of year. So, and then my kids, I have four boys and and they, two of my boys are nephews that I raised. And they all hunt different seasons.

So it gives me the opportunity to go with them on all the seasons I don't hunt. So we're hunting archery elk right now. And I do a lot of calling and that kind of stuff for them and tons of scouting. And when we can't find animals, we go separate ways until one of us gets into them. And then, you know, we get together that evening and come up with a plan to go to the area where the animals are. So that's why I get to hunt all these different seasons is pretty much between my, you know, my immediate family we have. We have tags for every season there is.

So I guess that's kind of the story on how I spend so much time up there. And I'm also 30 minutes away from the mountains. So, you know, I can be in 30 minutes. I can be up the corridor and Malala. 30 minutes, I can be well up the Clackamas River outside of Esticada. And then everything in between. I started up there when I was a little kid. My dad took me camping up there and he started dragging me around hunting with him.

When I was about eight years old, we can't hunt here until 12 years old. Well, we can now. There's a few new things going on where you can mentor kids and let them hunt with your tag and that kind of stuff. But when I was growing up, that wasn't the case. But my dad wanted me used to it and he loved the mountains. So he gave me my first hunting rifle, my 30-od six. And when I was eight years old, he had me start carrying. it around in the woods. Well, I followed him deer hunting and elk hunting and that kind of thing.

So that's kind of the story of how I end up spending a ton of time there. Wow. Jim, you're one of those guys. I could imagine. You know every creature that's in the woods of this Clackamas County area. You know every sound. I mean, you've got it just locked down in the knowledge category of this area, which is extremely active Bigfoot area. Do you remember, was there a time when you realized, hey, there's something else going on out here? Maybe you had an experience or an encounter that really kicked things off? I'd had a ton of experiences from age 13 all the way to date. But, you know, I wasn't, you know, I really didn't have a lot.

I don't know. I was on the fence. I, you know, I, I didn't not believe that, you know, there was, there was a creature out there that people call Sasquatch. I didn't not believe it. But I was the type that would, if you believed in it, I'd argue, you know, against you. And if you didn't believe in it, I'd argue against you. So I just, you know, it was just kind of on the fence and didn't really think much of it. later on in the late 90s when I actually saw one, that changed everything. It was a very interesting feeling. I spent a lot of time, for example, you know, I'd find elk a day or two before the elk season would open, and I'd just follow them. And wherever I spent the night in the woods, I could be, you know, miles from the truck. I could, I'd just spend the night there and wake up and be with the herd in the morning.

and not many people are, it's spooky, especially the first handful of times you do it. It's spooky just to go to sleep out in the middle of nowhere and the timber when you have none of your typical securities. I mean, I was armed. So that's a security, but you can be armed and you don't, and not feel safe when things can come at you from any direction and you don't have any way to see it. once you see something like that, those nights of hiking miles and miles and laying down in the woods become few and far between, it definitely changes.

When I was young, I had fear of noises I didn't recognize and those kind of things. And probably a fear of getting lost. And that was, you know, I kind of point that to why I know that country so well pretty much from, you know, Mount Hood to Detroit. And I know a lot of other country in Oregon, but that, you know, that's my stomping grounds. That's when we were kids growing up, you know, as soon as we had driver's licenses, you know, me and my buddies would head up there every second we could after school, after, you know, on the weekends, you know, you name it. That's, that was our, that was our stomping grounds and we were constantly exploring. And I went out of

my way to learn the country is good or better. than probably anyone out there because I had kind of a fear of being lost. And that was about the peak of it. And, you know, when I had actually seen one of these things in person, it, it changed everything. I sat and watched this thing and I was so afraid with a rifle in my hand. I even had a friend with a rifle in his hand right next to me. and we were hidden in the, hidden in the woods watching this little meadow that was, you know, kind of at the, kind of at the top of a deep, dark, kimbered canyon and small little meadow.

And when that thing, when we saw that thing, it, neither one of us moved. In fact, we, we were so afraid to move. We didn't, I mean, we didn't, we kind of looked at each other. We never said a word. and we ended up not what we walked out of there probably an hour and a half after dark it took us that long to get the nerve to move because we were afraid to see us and in this case this thing didn't see us it had no idea we were there so it was you know the fear of it realizing we were there that that was just climbing inside of us it was it was pretty crazy oh wow so this entire time you're having this sighting it doesn't know you're there. It's kind of like you're almost observing something at the zoo, but I mean, it's, you're out there in the woods. Are we able to, to share where this took place? I think I have it in, in the email here, but I'm just checking. Yeah, that, that took place. The creek bottom that,

that the meadow sits up above is, is last creek, which comes off. It's south of Pevine Mountain. and actually the road that goes to the top of Pevine Mountain, it was within, within the road that comes from the top of Pevine Mountain, if you follow it to the south, it comes out and tees into a road called 4210. And maps, maps can be confused.

Some maps will say that that's 42, but it's actually 4210. Unfortunately, these maps are, for the Bigfoot Highway area, a lot of them are not accurate. Road placements are accurate, but the road numbers names and things can be wrong,

even from the Forest Service. So if you tee into the 42110 road and you were to go west within 200 yards is where I actually had my truck parked and had it, you know,

walked, you know, south directly into what would be, you know, it's about, oh, 40-year-old timber now. But at the time, you know, it was just basically very large regrow, or a reprod. And there's a couple little hidden meadows in there. It's very thick, but there's some hidden little meadows and some old skitter roads from one they originally logged it. And we usually sneak down the skitter roads.

And then it goes into heavy timber right as you kind of break over. over the edge and you start heading down to the creek. It's pretty steep, pretty deep and pretty steep, but it's not real bad. If you're used to the area, if you're not used to the area, it would be very steep and dark and scary, but if you're used to the area, it's about, you know, five on the difficult, you know, level of the timber and how dark and steep it is. And the, where we were, where we were sitting, it was kind of funny because we were driving in and we were, the highway was still closed down at, in 1996, the big flood washed out a bunch of the,

a bunch of the highway. And the only way to get into like Highway 63 going up the Calawash River and all that was to go up over Mount Hood and come in on Highway 42, which is Skyline Road. And then you'd have to basically, you know, come all the way back in, you know, probably, I don't know, 15, 15 miles or 20 miles, 20 miles at least, yeah. And then you'd have to drop down to the highway 46 and work your way through the road, which was very in very bad shape also. And then down to 63 and go up the collar wash. And we intended to Elkhon up there the night.

This was the night before Cascade Elk season, which is the third Saturday of October, or was until the last couple of years. So we were, that Friday night, it's about one in the morning, and we were freezing down 4210, and a giant bull elf ran across the road. And a young raghorn bull was following right behind them, and they were scared out of their wits. And they don't usually move, you know, like that at one in the morning unless something's on them. Well, they ended up crossing the road, so we changed our mind and decided we were going to stay there the rest of the night. and we'd sneak into where the elk ran and, you know, at first light. And oddly enough, we wait until first light and the elk were there, but we never,

we never saw them. And we had come back around lunchtime and we're sitting at the truck, BSing, and all of a sudden out of the blue, this great big bull elk comes running out of the woods and is running down the road away from us. We're all sitting there. None of us even have our rifles in our hands. They're sitting in the back and on the back of the trucks and this and that. And we're looking at each other going, wow.

And that bull takes off running in there. And then we decide, okay, well, we'll figure out a place to camp somewhere nearby. And we're going to go ahead and get in the evening. And we had been visiting for probably another hour. And all of a sudden we hear this rustling in the woods. and a mountain lion comes scrambling out of the same place that that big bull elk came running out of, which was, you know, that last creek area in there. It came running out across the road with its tail between its legs.

And I've never seen a mountain lion under any circumstances with its tail between its legs. No matter what they're going through, usually you can tell their demeanor by the way their ears are, whether they're going to attack or whether they're, you know, curious or whether they don't care about. you it's all about how their ears are setting usually and unlike a dog or something like that where you'd watch the tail and this thing scrambled across the road just like the bull out did and we thought that was one of the the strangest things we've ever seen and we ended up hanging out and and deciding to go in a couple hours before before dark and we hike down this

little little skitter road it's overgrown but it's a nice little trail and me and me and one of my buddies that my my boy and and my buddy's wife ended up going the other side of the road where it appeared that the herd was and we got down in there and and found that little meadow and well we knew the meadow was there we just were going to re you know we just needed to relocate it and we found the meadow and instead of walking into the meadow or anything we kind of fish hooked around off of that you know a little trail or Skidder Road. PNC Bank brings you

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into the woods and all of a sudden here comes another one right out of the exact same place the cow walked out walked out of the timber and it ends up that this is not an elk it's on two legs and it followed right behind that cow elk just very slowly walking and we're that's when we looked at each other and we looked back and it was insane it we i think what was going through our heads after talking about it a lot since then is that that neither one of us could figure out what it was or why or was it you know and it it it was very you know it was very much like, you know, a lot of people say apes. They say humans. They say it had more human characteristics than anything.

I mean, the way it walked and it was deliberately following that cow elk. I don't know if it was practicing its hunt or if it was getting ready to hunt or, I mean, who knows what was going on there. It appeared that he was hunting that elk. And I say he, I don't know if it was he or she. It didn't have breasts. but you know it's it's interesting because we were so scatterbrained looking at this thing that people talk about their eyes and their colors and this and that the face on this thing was a blur it literally was so well put together in natural camouflage that there were no highlights on the face at all absolutely not you couldn't see details of the eyes it definitely had a very flat face it did not have, you know, any kind of a, you know, I call it a dog's nose, a beak.

It didn't have any kind of beak whatsoever. It was just similar to what a human would be. And the other thing that was really different compared to, you know, the thousands of stories I've heard is that at the tallest, this was maybe seven and a half feet tall. I would say probably closer to seven feet. I'm six three and it wasn't a lot taller than me. It was big. It was very scary. So it had a look to it that it could do whatever it wanted.

I would say in this case, you know, some people, some people say, gosh, you know, my gun wouldn't have been enough to kill it. I would disagree with that. it, I could have killed it, but I didn't know what it was. I, even at, you know, I was 30 yards away from it. And I could not verify what it was. I mean, my mind was going a thousand miles an hour trying to figure out what the heck this thing is. And, you know, the thought kept crossing that it was like a human and a suit.

You know, I mean, there was no possible way that was the case. but your brain is still, you know, it, you know, and maybe I wasn't prepared for it because I've never gone out looking for it. It could be that maybe my mind just wasn't prepared, but my mind couldn't settle. It just, you know, and I couldn't focus on any part of it. It was really, really weird. I find myself looking up and down it.

Like you see somebody stunning and you naturally without, you know, without putting an effort, you'd naturally kind of look up and down them. And it was like that. I found myself going up and down and up and down trying to figure this out. And it was interesting. It was very scary. I did feel like, you know, if you shot it, you better kill it because it'd probably rip you apart.

And knowing how fast bears move in the woods, from the appearance, it looks like this thing would be pretty fast. and the bear can close the gap of 30 yards and just, I mean, it seems like a second. They're so fast. And yeah, that was kind of, kind of it. We stayed there until dark. And then we went ahead and stayed up there the next morning. And we've seen exactly where it walked.

So my friend drove back to town, the friend that was with me. And by the way, that friend was one of the total. When anybody ever said anything about Big Footer Sasquatch, he was absolutely no possible way in heck that such a thing exists. Absolutely no way until that moment. And that moment changed his life and his beliefs. I'll tell you, it was probably more devastating for him because I was kind of open-minded that there was a possibility of something like this. but, you know, he was completely closed to the whole idea. And so he went back to town and got plastered and came back and casted an absolutely perfect print that, you know, going through that meadow.

And we saw him stand it. We saw him make the print. We saw him standing in it. So there's no question of whether that print was real or not. And the funny thing is, is like a few years back, this is clear back in late. in the late 90s has happened. And a few years back, he took that,

he took that casting into the North American Bigfoot Museum there, the Cliff character. And they glanced at the track and said it wasn't real. And I'm like, yeah, well, when you see it standing in it, you know it's real.

Yeah, so that was kind of something else. It kind of makes, you know, I don't, there's not, you know, I don't follow really, you know, I'll watch YouTube stuff. I like I say, I'm not and not going to be a researcher. They're just, there's way too much controversy over that. And I, I like to hunt. I don't, you know, I don't like to go, I don't like to go out there and chase,

chase, you know, critters that, you know, some people believe in and others don't. it just to me it's kind of a waste of my time it just happens to be the areas that i go in i seem to have a lot of activity but again i'm you know when you hunt that many years up there you go to the places that you rarely see anyone it's yeah and i i think that that's very much the case i heard your your interview with oh the guy that a lot of people think's crazy that I think his last name starts with a Z. Oh my goodness. Anyway, he's talked about Skookum Lake and that kind of stuff.

And I've actually seen that guy up at Skookum Lake. Had no idea. Oh. Oh, Henry Franzoni? Yeah. Oh, yeah. He's no longer with us. But that's incredible.

That's where he had. Okay. So, oh, man, this interview is going to be nuts. There's a few questions I want to ask before we leave this. the Peavine Mountain area but I'm going to make a note about Henry Vrantzone

yeah he's what a what a guy I'm going to make a note about that okay so you have the sighting and it doesn't see you so you're saying that it pretty much just it keeps following the elk cow and then

it leaves the area correct yep it followed that that cow right into the timber exactly where that It basically followed that elk's footprint. And it literally right behind it, I would say that, you know, inside of, inside of 20 feet behind it, following along, it was very, very close to that elk. And the elk, you know, didn't respond to it at all. So it was really, really interesting because, you know, elk are pretty spooky.

Typically, once an elk smells you, it's over. You know, they can look at you, they can hear you. They won't put a lot of stock into it, but if they smell you, it's over. And I don't know any way that you could be 20 feet away following, especially, I mean, it's things not walking in a straight line into the wind. It's literally kind of come out of the woods, a little bit of a straight line and made a bend, and now going another direction. There's no way you could make that loop without getting wind of it.

but the cow elk just walked on and that thing followed it. And, you know, there was never any breakout where the elk took off. You can definitely hear once an elk gets spooked and it runs. It makes a lot of noise. So, yeah, it was, it was crazy. And that thing never took its eyes off that. Never took its eyes off that cow. And maybe that's why, you know, I couldn't tell you, you know, really good details of the facial.

I remember thinking how well the face went in and, and, and, It was shocking to me. I remember the hands definitely being, they were clearly bald on the bottom of the hands. There was hair on the back of the hands. And then it seemed that the hair kind of started about halfway up the side of the hand or the finger. But the hands definitely looked like an old working man's hands,

just, you know, probably, you know, twice as, fingers twice as bulky as what you would consider for something that size. The, you know, the arm length was, it was right in the middle of what, you know, some people say normal length, some people say down around the knee, his arms definitely, his fingertips definitely did not touch his knees. I would say, you know, his fingertips were three quarters the way down his thighs. And yeah, he never, never once looked at us. So that may have been why we couldn't get your or why I didn't see any details to his face is that he was focused on that cow the entire time.

Absolutely. Who has the track cast? My buddy. He's over in Montana. Okay. Very cool. Very cool. That's cool.

He still has it. And it sounds like it did really affect him. So tell me about, you know, the Skookham Lake area. There's a lot of history to that area, and it sounds like you had a time where you actually ran into Henry Franzoni at that area. I'd love to hear about that. Yeah, I mean, I had no idea who he was, and quite honestly, I thought that he was a little bit crazy. But, you know, I have a quite a bit, you know, I have much more open mind now, you know, to what was going through his head. but, you know, I'm not saying I'm, you know, 100% sold on his whole ideas and all that, but, you know, there, who's to say, you know.

But yeah, I spent a lot of time up at Skookham and up at a lake called Surprise Lake, which is just west across the canyon from Skookham Lake, which is very, surprise lake was probably had less guests than Skookham Lake. And either one were just so far. off the beaten path, you know, you could, you could hike into Skookum Lake. You still can't hike into Skookum Lake relatively easily. You can even ride a motorcycle in there. That's how good the trail is coming from the Malala side.

But the Surprise Lake was, you know, higher in elevation, west and up at the top. And I heard some crazy stuff up there and spent tons of time. But like I say, it's so far out. once you leave, you know, Highway 46 or Highway 224, whatever you want to call it, it's actually Highway 46 right there. But once you leave where Fish Creek comes off of Highway 46, it's 14 miles up to Skookham Lake. So you can't, and it's not, it's passable pretty much only by foot now. They never fix it after the 96 floods and all the, all the,

all the, there's probably 50 creeks in that 14 miles across the road. And every one of those culverts is ripped out with some naturally, some they went ahead and tore out. But it's so there's really no way you're going up there now. But even back then, we'd go up there, you know, half a dozen or more times a year. And I don't recall ever seeing more than I saw one other guy on a motorcycle one time and and saw a couple of, a couple of young people camping in a Subaru or something one time. And I saw, I saw him maybe twice, but I actually talked to him once.

And it, you know, it was just so weird to run into somebody up there. And when I was hearing him talk about his van and this and that, and I ended up digging a little further to get a look at him and on the TV. and I'm like, yeah, that's the guy. Wow. So he was just hanging out up there, was he just sitting around, trying to see if you can get any interactions?

Well, you know, he had said that, you know, he was walking around and mostly interested in hearing what goes on at night and that kind of stuff. But, you know, when I'd seen him, he was just hanging out. He wasn't, you know, 15 yards from his van and just hanging out. So it would just, you know, there's very few people to do that.

You really like the mountains to, you know, just get that far away from everything and just sit around. So, you know, as far as I was concerned, he was just a guy that needed his peace and quiet and had no idea he was that serious about the whole Bigfoot thing. He mentioned the Bigfoot thing. Oh, okay. But it, you know, I, it was kind of going in one ear and out the other because, you know, it seemed like he was kind of. pushing more of the alien thing. PNC Bank brings you Call of the Wild Money Moves.

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And then, and I was really, really open to, you know, it could be a, you know, there could be certainly a creature that was somehow left behind or, or managed to keep itself in hiding. You know, you got tribes in South America that, you know, have just recently been noticed and other ones they didn't notice until the 1980s and, you know, that had never had any kind of communication with man. So there's some big woods up there. And if something wanted to stay hidden, if I wanted to stay hidden out there, you'd never find me. So imagine something that's, you know, lives in that, you know, in that type of environment. So yeah, I did, I, I didn't take him real seriously, but, you know, I did run into, I did see his rig multiple times over the

years and all in very, very rural places that normally you wouldn't see anyone unless you were hunting and been very serious about hunting. That is so cool. Because most of the hunters don't get very far away. Absolutely. Was that late 90s as well that you had, you stumbled upon them? Yeah. Yeah.

Actually, it was about a year before the flood. So it would have been about 1995. Okay. It checks out. Yep. Wow. Oh, it's so cool. So, I mean, it's not seeing Bigfoot, but it's something for me just as cool, which would be, you know, stumbling upon Henry Franzoni when he's trying to do Bigfoot research out in the woods. That's so cool. Yeah, I didn't think it was cool until just recently when I figured out who he was. Yeah, absolutely. You have, I'm looking at your email, so you also have a second confirmed citing, which is up on Hillock Burn Road, correct? Yeah, way up Hillock Burn, up.

where Hillog-Burn goes up, basically Hill-Og-Burn turns into Forest Service Road 45, kind of like the S-Dicada-24-46 thing. As soon as you enter National Forests, it becomes a Forest Service Road, and then it's 46. And in Hill-Ogg-Burn's case, it becomes Highway 45 and makes a big loop around the mountain and comes back out at Nemelous. there's a bridge off of, off of 46 that they call the Memelous Bridge. And that's where, you know, basically the road comes and goes. Now the Memelous Bridge has been closed now for a lot of years.

But back at the time, I think it was still open. But you get up, you get way, way up. And oddly enough, the place that I saw the second one was if you go all the way up, up 45, and then you basically make your first turn heading up Southport Canyon, and it takes you up to a place called Helen's Lake. And there's a couple different ways if you continue on the road past Helen's Lake, it'll take you up to the road. I saw them.

Or the way I typically go is I take another right and go up and kind of come out at the top or the brim of Dead Horse Canyon. And then there's a road that drives around Dead Horse Canyon, and taps back into that, the road that goes past Helen's Lake. It may be 45, 40. You know, there hasn't been a road signs up there for years and years and years and years. And I don't know that they could be 45, but there's only one road that pretty much goes from, from where Dead Horse and, and kind of Memelous Lake, there's,

Membleu's Lake has an access trail on top also. So from that access trail on top and from Dead Horse, they kind of meet together and then they head south in between the head of Dead Horse Canyon and then over the top of Lucan's Creek on your right side. And on your left side is basically you're at the very highest point above at the west side of Wash Creek. And Wash Creek and Fish Creek, if you go up the Fish Creek, drainage like you're going up to Skookham Lake or Surprise Lake, the Wash Creek is part of that

huge basin. So there's kind of a finger that splits the two drainage, but they meet together for the bottom, you know, five or seven miles of the fish creek drainage. So Wash Creek, going up Wash Creek and going up Fish Creek are just very similar things. And really as, you know, terrain wise you're just you know like wash creek is only you know a couple few miles from scoakam lake and wash creek burned out that there was a there was a big fire up there and then the flood of 96 washed one of the bridges out completely so that shut that whole road down and this was in around 2010 2011 and i was it was virtually the same day this was saturday morning third saturday October opening day of elk season and I was hunting pretty much in south the head of south

for a canyon and I wasn't getting getting even close to anything and so I thought I'd take a run way up wash creek and and maybe drop into Lucan's Creek and I got up there in the snow we had a lot of snow the night before and and a lot of snow that morning and the snow was kind of dying off it was this guy was clearing up a little bit but I'm driving along and I'm you know several miles up there and the snow is about maybe 10 inches deeper so my maybe 12 and I hadn't seen another rig all day so I there there was nobody else up there nowhere no one even close and then when I got into about four or five or six inches of snow all of a sudden the tracks vanish no more deer tracks no more elk tracks no nothing and I'm cruising along and it's getting

deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and I'm thinking to myself, well, I hate to have to, you know, walk to a place I can call a buddy to help me get out of this if I do get stuck. And, you know, I had a big, big, big truck that was in good shape with the right kind of tires. And I thought, you know what? I'm just going to, you know, I haven't seen a track in, you know, probably, you know, two miles. And the snow's getting deep. So there's a wide spot up here. I had my girlfriend with me at the time.

I know this wide spot ahead. So what I'm going to do is, you know, in that kind of snow, especially when you're breaking the path, you don't, you don't just, you know, stop and back up and turn and back up and turn. You want to probably try to pull a cookie if you can to get you most of the way turned around so you don't get stuck trying to turn around. So I'm heading for this flat spot and I hit that little flat spot

and I pull a cookie and get turned around and start, you know, get back in my own ruts and start heading back down the mountain. And I come around the very first curve and I can see something standing on the right side of the road. And I'm like, am I confused? You know, what is that? Because the timber is in the background because it's not standing out in the road where I can see the, you know, see where I have a silhouette. It's standing on the right side of the road where I've got timber behind it. So it's really blending in well. And though I was only, you know, I got within a hundred yards before I watched it jump off the side of the road. And right, that particular spot, there's a rock slide there. And the rock, it was either a rock slide or, or they could have

brought a ton of rock in when they were building the road originally. So it could, it could be a base that was built. It may or may not be manmade. There's a lot of rock right there. So it may or may may not be a man-made rock slide, but whatever this was jumps off. And I haul butt, you know, to close up that 100 yards real quick, because as far as I'm concerned, it's probably an L. And it's big and dark in the wrong shape, but, you know, what else could it be? And I jump out of the truck and look down immediately, and I'm looking at footprints. And, you know, my Dan or Elkunter boots are size 12, and these footprints,

were perfect footprints. And they had come up out of the rock slide. So it was about, I would say, 40 yards from the road to the thick timber and just this rock slide in between the two. And when I got out, I see this footprint, and it must have been waiting for me to get down the road. Must have heard me coming, waited for me to get down the road so it could cross or whatever. And I get out of the truck.

And the first thing I'm going to do is look at the tracks to see, you know, whether it was a bull or a cow or whatever it was. And it was, there's a human-like foot. And it's, you know, a barefoot. And it's at least three inches, maybe three and a half inches longer than the soul of my Daner boot. And so I run over to the edge immediately. And then I realized they don't have a gun. So I yell at my girlfriend to grab, hand me my gun. And not because I was looking to shoot it, but because I was looking to make sure I was protected.

And I'm looking and I can't hear or see anything down there. It goes straight into dark timber. But what I could see is that 40 yards was covered by two jumps. And it was certainly very steep. So, you know, a human probably could have done it in, you know, I made five to ten jumps and you would have been at the timber depending on how athletic you were maybe you could do it in five but there was there was two spots where he had jumped and hit a third of the way and it jumped and hit just before the trees and then it walked off and the tracks coming up to the road were absolutely perfect it walked they walked up out of there they stepped they crossed my first rut they walked in and stepped into my second rut and walked down my rut for about, oh, you know, under 20 feet, 15, 20 feet. It walked up my rut and then must have heard me coming and walked over to the edge. So it wasn't, you know,

the prints were perfect. They weren't scrambling footprints by any means. It was just walking very casually. Had to have some weight to it because the prints were even good in my tire tracks. So, you know, my truck weighs 8,000 pounds. And naturally it spread over four. tires and and you know the tires are soft and not rigid and so you know it's possible it you'll see elk tracks and tire tracks where they leave a deeper impression so it's not you know it doesn't have to be crazy heavy but it had to be pretty heavy to leave those perfect prints even in my rut and I had I kind of investigated for a few minutes was a little bit you know surprised and you know I guess the thing that surprised me to most is that it and now I'd seen one before okay 10 years earlier so

this wasn't a surprise to me that they exist but it was very shocking to me for it to be that far up because the animals seemed to be much lower you know I hadn't seen an animal track in two miles so maybe it was moving down at that point I don't know but it was in some pretty deep snow you know 10 12 inches of snow is pretty deep snow to to you know try to gather. And then I told my girlfriend, I said, well, do you believe in Bigfoot? And she said, I don't know. And I go, you want to see if it's real or not? And she says, I don't know. I said, come here. You come out of the truck. I want to show you something. And she walked over and looked at those tracks and jumped back in my truck and started screaming for me to get her

off of that mountain. Oh my goodness. She was so scared just by seeing the prince. And I couldn't, I couldn't calmer down. It was crazy. I ended up having to drive. I got to hunt the rest of the day, but I had to drive 15 miles from there to hunt before she was like, okay, I feel okay enough if you want to stay up here. It was pretty crazy. Oh, that's incredible. This is around, was it 2010 or 2011 around there? Yeah, 2010 or 11, I'm not sure which, but one of the two. you had said something I just want to see if you can give a little bit more detail about it when you

so when you say bear footprint can you maybe describe what you mean by that I meant like human footprints with no clothes on yeah like you know

naked footprints yeah it yeah they don't look anything like a bear let me tell you that and there's they don't look anything like a bear even when a bear tracks over itself You know, a lot of times you'll see a bear, you know, step almost to his front paw. And so you take a rear foot and a front foot and combine the two together.

And, you know, a lot of people will, you know, say that's a, you know, a Sasquatch track or whatever. And there's nothing further from it. You know, bears can't retract their claws. So they're always going to have those claws sticking out. And even a black bear's claws are, you know, an inch and a half plus long. So there's really just no confusing that. And the pads, you know, the bears have pads and different pads on their, on their rear feet versus their front feet.

And it's, for a trained eye, there's no mistaking when a bear has stepped on its own track. It's, it's, that cannot be confused. However, I've heard a lot of people, you know, and, and even seeing pictures where somebody said they got a picture of a, of a Sasquatch track. and I glance at it and I'm like, yeah, no. Right. Yeah, I gotcha. This area, the Hillock Burn Road area, I mean, it comes up a lot.

There's been a ton of activity up there. A lot of it is not public, but it's been told to me. And there's some where if you start searching for Hillock Burn Road, Bigfoot activity, you're going to find it on older websites. And it's out there. It's definitely out there. so it's a very, very interesting area that you're up there. Now, this is up near Goat Mountain, right?

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visit CMN.org to see how Children's Miracle Network is making big change for all kids. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you literally, when you get up, oh goodness, you're probably four miles above where you enter into National Forest is the road that splits off that goes up to goat mountain and and it goes in dead ends the road goes up it's tricky to get up to goat mountain you've got to really know how to do it these days but the roads are virtually cut off right where you hit you hit private land so the towers the go mountain towers and the and the Williams lake towers which you know I call them all the goat mountain towers but they're two separate humps a few hundred

yards away from each other. Those are both actually public land, but they're accessed from from Warehouser, which is private timberland. Okay. Yeah, I'm looking at it on Onex right now. And it's just, it's so weird because, you know, you're right. You've got, it's got Warehouser and then Mount Hood National Forest and just, I don't even know how you would get up there, man.

It would be awesome if someone from Warehouser was listening with, and they had Bigfoot stories. I can always just dream about that, but you never know, right? Yeah, I don't know, you know, I don't know what those guys say about it. You know, I've ran into, I hunt a lot of warehouser property. I go both in and out of, you know, public and warehouser. I try to put in for it every year. I have Malala Warehouser this year.

And the last 10 years or so, I've been hunting Eskata Warehouser, and prior to that, I hunted Malala Warehouser. but it's really interesting. As you're going up, when you turn into national forest coming up, Highway 45 or Hillock Burn, the left side of the road is all national forests. And pretty much the right side of the road is all either BLM or private.

There's a little bit where national forest kind of crosses the road, but the higher you get, the less national forest there is. So once you get up a certain point, Like, you know, up around, say, for example, Williams Lake, Williams Lakes really only, you know, it's not very far from the main road. And there's an actual crossover road that's on BLM land that has a trail coming from public to get to Williams Lake that's, you know, it can't be more than a half mile long. It's really a short trail to get to Williams Lake. and you can drive the Williams Lake at the other end. So Williams Lake, part of it's on warehouser and part of it is on public.

And then the public is up in that higher country is all BLM land. And which is, I don't know why it is, but BLM land just holds a ton more animals than the regular national forest does pretty much anywhere you go. The BLM land is just rich with, you know, deer and elk and bears and so on and so forth. but yeah it's and it's a complicated road system it takes you a long long time to learn it from either side it's you know i remember years ago the county sheriff had a this has been a long long time ago 25 30 years ago the county sheriff had a supposedly found a body up you know a pasco mountain somebody you had found one in the rocks or bones or something that they thought was a body

and it wasn't a body but they there was a a whole bunch of deputies that were up there six or seven of them, and they were up there half the night. They ended up coming out in the middle of, you know, in the middle, mid hours of the morning because they were lost up there and they were just on the public side. And there was two ways out then. So it could be pretty complicated. Oh my goodness. That's, that's intense. So Goat Mountain is another area that really comes up. If you search into this area for Bigfoot, stuff comes up a lot. The Oregon Bigfoot Highway book, you can find a lot of stuff in there. Have you had things happen around Goat Mountain as well?

Never at Goat Mountain. Okay. I've heard some crazy stuff. I'll tell you, one of the craziest things that I've never been able to explain to this day. All right. And this was prior to me seeing, you know, that living creature the first time. I was a lot of people, anytime they're on Highway 45 is they go up Hillockburn. Once they, once they get up in the national forest, a lot of people from that point, in fact, even Hillock Burn Road, people, anybody that goes up there, they say they're going up goat. So from there, all the way up to Dead Horse Canyon, which is kind of the highest point of that road system, people refer to that all as goat mountain. So when people tell you they had a siding at Goat Mountain, it probably wasn't on Goat Mountain.

In fact, Goat Mountain is, it has so many, you know, that's where high school kids go up and drink beer and it's, you know, kind of a party place. And it's really not, you're probably not going to have any sightings right on Goat Mountain itself. It just, but you get over, you know, you get within a quarter mile any direction of it. And it's very, very possible. And then I would bet most of the references are, you know, higher up above. you know, where you would pass go mountain on the main highway or the main road. I say highway, but it's literally, you know, only the first quarter of it is paved. And even then, it's barely double wide.

And then it instantly goes to single gravel and it's very rough. And it's, but it is a main, it's considered a main through road through the Forest Service. And it's got a two-digit number. It's a main road. So it's, yeah, you'll find that most of your sightings of people pinpointed or they knew the road they were on. It's going to be, it's going to be a four-digit or a seven-digit number, which is, yeah, so the four-digits means that it connects. It'll, it has two ends. It'll come out somewhere.

And then the seven-seventh digit number, so basically you have the four-digit number, which is going to start out with, say, 45 to the highway 45. So say you have Highway 45-40, okay, you know it's going to go through, it's going to come out at another end. Maybe it comes out to the same road, maybe it comes out to a different road, but it goes through. And then, say, a spur road off of that that just goes in dead end, that's going to be 45, 40, 120, or 130 or 150 or 170, you know. And they continue to climb. The three-digit number gets higher as you go further up the road. So I was in Southport Canyon. I was above Southport Canyon taking niece and two nephews with a sister-in-law up to a place they wanted to camp someplace rural, way out of the way, someplace it was going to be more like being in nature.

So I thought, okay, well, I can take them up, goat. Again, I'm referring it as goat when it's not. I can take them up, Goat, and give them a nice place. It's easy for them to find their way home, and they're not that far away from things, and they might even have cell service because they're so close to the towers. And I take them up and help them get a camp set up on a little tiny, little dead-end log landing road, not an actual road, just a little skitter where they have the log landing and the yarder at one time when they logged it. And we're above, we're above, we're the west side of South Fork, the South Fork of the Clackamas River,

which is South Fork Canyon is where it comes out of the, out of a spring. And we are, uh, the, what went on elevation wise was a few hundred feet lower than, than Helen's Lake, not to the 45 road, kind of between the 45 road and the next road that would be to the south or uphill from it. I heard a fight of some sort that, you know, I can't confirm what it was. The only thing that I could ever tell you back at the time is it had to be some kind of a bear that I've never heard of make those kind of noises before in a all-out fight with a mountain lion. It was the scariest, loudest, most obnoxious, you know, you could picture the hair

flying just by listening to the noise. It was unbelievable. And it went on for probably a good 10 minutes straight before either somebody surrendered or one of them got killed. But, you know, after kind of experience of what I have now, it makes me feel like that could have been a Sasquatch, not a bear, because I've heard bears and I've heard all their noises. And they make some incredible noises. They can even sound like human. But this was, just different. It was just deeper and more throaty and just it was just vicious. Not just not like anything I've ever heard from a bear and and you could clearly tell the mountain lion was the opponent because they make such crazy high pitch noises and and such a

different range of vocals and and you know every once in a while throwing in one of their nasty you know, growls or rouse or, you know, whatever you would call it. It was pretty clear that there was a mountain lion fighting something. And whatever it was, it was a worthy opponent because this, I mean, this was, it was unbelievable. So that's kind of the only thing other than hearing, you know, weird sounds in the night that I've actually seen up Goat. Now at Williams Lake, a week ago Sunday, spending the night at Williams Lake, I heard some pretty incredible stuff.

At 2.30 in the morning, I heard something woke me up, and something, you know, within 50 yards of my tent and mine and my nephew's pickup trucks, just up on the hill and the timber. I mean, it was very close. I definitely could have thrown it and thrown a rock to where the sound was coming from. But something was mumbling very, very loud, very, very deep. And I think I told you about this before. It was mumbling kind of like you hear those Sierra sounds, but it didn't have any of that weird, high-pitched, massive elevations in high-vers-low. this was all just really low, but somewhat aggressive and definitely it sounded like it was trying to talk,

except for I couldn't tell you a thing it said. It didn't, you know, none of it made, it was totally foreign to me. But the crazy thing was this thing goes off and then across the lake, which would be just, you know, a couple of acres away, it's probably not 150, yards across the lake at that particular point, all of a sudden there's something talking exactly like that back at whatever was on that hillside. And they went back and forth, which seemed like a half an hour, but it was probably five minutes, maybe 10 at the max. But they had a conversation back and forth, almost like, you know, I've heard a lot of times being way up

in the mountains, especially like up around like O'Lolly Lake and the O'Lolly Wilderness area. You hear a lot of owls around those lakes where the owls can make some incredible noises too they don't just make the average little hoot and they make loud noises and you hear them up in those a lot of times i've heard them up around O'Lolli I've heard a lot of owls but up there it seems like they'll talk back and forth all night long and you might even get two or three of them from you know even a half a mile away from each other and they just they're so loud you can just hear they carry back and forth. It was a lot like you hear them conversing except for it was way more mumbly. It wasn't as sharp and crisp as the detail of the noise that the owls make.

Even when the owls do their weird, you know, hoot-hoo-do-hoo, you know, where they don't sound anything like a hoot, but they have multiple levels of, you know, their vocalization. This was just not consistent like that. It was, it was pretty creepy. you what, it kept me up the rest of the night. I did not like having something. I didn't know that close to me. And it's very dark down at that lake. At night, there's, you're down in a hole and it's, you know, thick brush and timber 360 degrees around that lake other than the very narrow little trail road that is so narrow you couldn't turn around on it if you tried. You have to back out to a spot to turn around or there's one little tiny place right out the lake you

can turn around. But if you're down there, we have our vehicles down there and we turn around way up the road and back in there. And then otherwise, once one rigs down there, you don't have room to turn around. And then you put a tan up, you know, back in the trees, nobody, anybody that comes in has to backpack out. And so it's very dark. And a lot of noises around the lake. It's really weird because the morning, the evening started out that we were hearing a bunch of Elfugel. And, well, not a bunch. bowls that were bugling, but it seemed a little crazy because every time the elk could bugle, this happened sometimes, the coyotes go crazy. And there was probably a half a dozen coyotes up there and they make all their yipping and screaming and, you know, everything from from mildly high-pitched

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but by a crow's fly easily within two miles, maybe a mile and a half to the towers. And that was, you said it was around like September 7th, 2025, so very recent? It was, yeah, it was Sunday a week ago, a week ago Sunday. Okay. That's wild. It was Labor Day weekend. So, yeah, the, yeah, that's right. Labor Day weekend.

So yeah, as much time as I've spent up there, you know, up around Go Mountain and, and all the places beyond, you would think that, you know, I'd run into something by accident. But remember, I'm also not looking for it. So when I find it, it's entirely by accident.

I'm not comfortable around them. You know, I'm not, if you wanted me to go on an expedition, I'd be heavily armed. I just, you know, I don't want anything to do with those things. They just happen to be in the areas that I spend a lot of time and I've just stumbled into them. And if I never saw one again, I would be very pleased. There was an interesting account that you had shared with me in our first chat.

And I believe it was around, I want to say it was like around 46. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that something you'd be able to share on this call? Sure, sure, yeah. That was this spring. That was in May. This, I probably, I could probably tell you the exact date. It was May 10th, just because I have a punch tag for that date. But, yeah, I'd been watching this bear for a couple of weeks, and he'd show up, and then, you know, he'd disappear, and, but he's for some reason like this hillside,

and it's, you know, pretty heavy timber, bordered on heavy, heavy, reprod that goes down into a canyon that's been pretty well protected from logging down near the creek for a long, long time. So we were down there messing around and there's an old road that comes in from the opposite end that I was on May 10th. So I kind of experienced this the first time walking in from the other side on a dirt road that got pushed in and they were logging. and then the Forest Service was logging, but they were cutting through Warehouser to get to get the logs and to get in there and do their stuff.

It was right, literally logging right on the border of Warehouser and National Forest. And I couldn't figure out for the life of me why they punched this road in and they took all these logs out of there, but they left like, there must have been like six or seven log truck loads all stacked up on the side of the road,

and they just abandoned them. They were good, full-length logs, not like they were scrap ones. And they literally threw a bunch of trees and pushed some boulders to block the road from going in long before, you know, they got all the lumber out of there. So had a curiosity, me and my nephew decided we were going to go down to the end and we walked down there. And we're just looking around. We have our binoculars with us constantly. if you don't have them, you're not hunting. And I'm looking through the trees up the end of this thing,

and I'm looking through the treetops, trying to see the mountain on the other side to see if there's any open meadows or any place I can see through the trees to see what you can't see from anywhere else. And this technique is very, very good for hunting. You should be, you know, you got to look everywhere because you just might be surprised at what you see

that nobody can see from anywhere else. So I was looking through and all of a sudden I caught like this huge clump of branches and and not really, look, we won't call them branches. We'll call them fur boughs because that's what they were. They were branches that had still had all the fur boughs on them. And I'm looking at this thing and looking at it and I'm, it's like a hundred feet up in a tree. And I can see the tree pretty well at different places. So it's an old gross tree.

it's, you know, six, eight feet in diameter, Douglas fir. And it's like 100 feet up in there. And I'm looking at this and I'm like, I can see the detail of this, the bottom of this nest that this is weave like in and out. And it's not, you know, alder branches. I mean, there's a lot of alders around, you know, being at a, you know, near the base of this tree is very close to the creek bottom, you know, within 50 yards of the creek bottom. it was a very strange, weird thing that caught my eye that was different. It was wrong. Nothing was right about it.

And so I met up with my nephew a short time later and said, you got to come look at this. And so he pulls up his binoculars and he says, holy smokes, that's like weaved. And he goes, is that a nest? And I go, well, if it's a nest, it's like at least eight or ten feet wide, maybe white. You know, it's hard to tell from this distance what the real width is. I go, but that's, you know, it looks like a giant nest to me. And he goes, well, let's go down there and look up. So we went down to the base.

And if you get down there, it's like 100 feet up. And the canopy is so thick. You can't see that nest at all at the base of the tree looking up. But I investigated the tree thoroughly to see if there was any spike marks from, you know, a logger climbing up there. if there was any any any any any any any any claw marks from bears or lions going up there cougars and there's just there's really no tear marks or no distinct of scratch or or marks on it so so you know in my impression something had to you know physically grab it

and go up it like a bear except for without claws the bears just run up it like a cat you know they use their strength not necessarily their claws but their claws get in the way so they leave all kinds of scar damage when they go up a tree, especially one that size. And there's just no damage to the base of the tree. So, you know, we went back up until, you know, we could see it again, which was almost to the exact spot I spotted it to begin with. We couldn't seem to get any closer to look at it, but, you know, we have very high quality binoculars. And we could clearly see that this was all weaved out and this and that. And, you know, we're sitting there talking about it. Is this like, you know, some kind of a saskwatch nest. And I said to my nephew, I'm like, there's no bird I know of

that can lift those branches and fly into that canopy and then come up with fingers to be able to tie those, you know, to weave those things in and out. And he's like, I'm totally with you. He's like, there's, there's no way that this is there, but it is. And so we kind of, you know, left it alone. And, you know, in the back of our minds, we were thinking, well, maybe the Forest Service ran into this and maybe they just shut off their logging because of it, you know, so it wouldn't stir up any attention or, you know, there's a lot of rumors around there. I know that a friend of mine reported a Bigfoot signing to the Estigator Ranger District, which is no longer there. Now they operate out of a building in Sandy now. but a few years back they up until a few years back they had a office right at the right as you come in to escapata and he reported it and the gal at the desk said that he said well have you had other people say anything and she said yeah we've had quite a few reports but we don't talk about that really i've never heard of that oh my goodness yeah she flat out says that to my buddy he goes you don't talk about it he goes she goes yeah that's just something we don't

talk about so it makes you wonder you know how much they know if the if the gal at the desk you know here's a lot of this you know what what of what of those forest service guys stumbled into over the years hard to say but anyway it appeared that they kind of abandoned their operation they didn't leave a mess they didn't do they just it's like they picked up all their equipment went home before they finished taking their logs out that were already cut, stripped, stacked, ready to load right onto the log trucks, and they just left them sitting. So it really made no sense. And I think that's where my curiosity came from originally to walk down there to find out why did they stop. You know, this does, you know, they're not leaving a pile of logs for habitat for

bunny rabbits. That's, you know, they do plenty of those kind of things. But funny rabbits like brush piles, not stacks of perfect logs with no branches. So back, after this, we kind of, you know, let it go, and we talk about it a little bit amongst each other. And about a week later, we're back in there, but we're in from another direction. And just because, you know, we'd seen some out across the road, so we decided we'd go down and investigate.

And we were kind of following that brick bottom down, which is creaked. and it we found another one of those nests except for this one was all dried up that the the needles that were still up there were completely brown 90% of the needles had fallen off half of the branches had just kind of crumbled I guess once the you know the fur boughs dry up maybe that's what was kind of holding some of the joints or whatever but you know down on the ground you know between the the tree and the creek the downhill side of the creek there was there was all kinds of branches that that you know were broken off that had fallen out of

that other nest so i don't i don't know what what why how i don't you know i was talking to another friend that said you know well there's no reason they go up and live in a nest a hundred feet up in a tree i said well what about if they had young you know and what if they had young what if what if mom needs to hunt and there's there's you know an infant version or a small one that's, you know, in danger to be around all the bears that are in here and all the mountain lions that are in here and even people, you know, which there's not many people once you get off a road anywhere in the, in the, in the mountain hood area. But, you know, but the only thing we could figure is maybe, maybe, you know, they shove their, their youth in those things.

Well, they, you know, well, they're out hunting. And, you know, it doesn't seem like, it just, doesn't seem normal for, I don't know, but it's hard to say there's a lot of unanswered questions to that, but anyway, I ended up hunting in there and from the other side and I spotted this bear over

and over, and he was a giant, he was an absolute giant, and I'm watching him one day and this might be my final opportunity, or this might be my opportunity. It looks like he might, you know, end up

stepping someplace that he gives me a chance to take a shot at him. And the out of the blue after watching him for hours, and he just disappear and then he comes strolling back by the areas where I could pick him out. And he's just feeding and wandering and eating berries and all kinds of different stuff. But he, he all of a sudden is like sitting down with his nose straight up in the air. So I'm thinking to myself, well, he must smell me.

but I'm not close enough to him to really be a threat. And the wind's coming my way, so there must have been a swirl in the wind. And he's kind of looking, he's facing downhill, and I'm kind of half-side hill, downhill away from him. And all of a sudden, he stands all the way up on his hind legs, and he takes off running away from the area that I lose him every time I see him, he disappears into this thick stuff,

and he goes downhill. I can hear him, you know, when he's walking. I see where he's going and he never, ever goes out where he's exposed, which he takes off running like something's going to eat him out through the open timber. And I can't get him to walk in that open timber so I can get a shot at him, let alone have him take off running across it. And then coming out of that timber, he has to run through a clear cut beyond the timber and puts himself inside of everyone. you know, anybody driving down the road would be able to see him. And he vanishes.

And then I all of a sudden hear some, you know, here's some noise down below. And basically if you follow the tree line that I'd been watching him, the big timber that he ran away from, all of a sudden I see a bear go running up a tree. And I'm thinking to myself, well, that was crazy. And I'm looking at him and this bear's not near as big. He's more like a better than average size bear.

And he's up that tree and he's panicking. He's running around this tree. And this is an old growth tree also. And so it's really massive in diameter. And he's running around the tree and he goes up to the first big branch, which is quite a ways up, you know, 30, 40 feet. And he gets out on this limb and he's looking and he jumps on the back of the tree and he's peeking around both sides of this tree.

looking downhill, same direction that big bear was looking. And it seems like he gets comfortable and he starts heading down the tree. Well, he gets down the tree and at the very base of the tree, I can't see where the tree meets the dirt. I'm missing the last couple feet because of branches and brush and stuff kind of blocking my view. And this thing starts, basically it comes out of the tree and it starts sneaking down the hill. PNC Bank brings you Call of the Wild Money Moves Shh, listen

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But if it gets near the timber, then I can see it, you know, it'll show up here and there on its way down to the creek. And it's staying up near the timber. Well, all of a sudden I see it whip around and I can hear it take off back up the hill. and the next thing I know, I see him going up that tree again. He's going up the tree next to it, I think. And he starts taking off up this other old grove tree. And I'm looking down with my binoculars trying to figure out what the heck is going on down there. And all of a sudden, in one of those low spots, in one of those spots that if you're near the timber, I could see you.

If you're near the reprod, I can't. I can see this black hair dark thing that's not in the timber. It's near the reprod, but I can see this black thing go across this low spot that's only a few yards wide. So I kind of only see it for a split second and then it disappears. So my immediate thought is there must be giant black bear because that the chocolate bear I was watching was just unbelievable. I mean, he was probably close to 500 pounds. And just a giant, just a pig with big fat rolls and just huge. Head just looked, you know, like a basketball.

And so this other bear would have to just be huge or just wicked mean and huge. So I'm watching this bear. And this bear, the bear that's in the tree seems to calm down a little bit. And then it kind of comes down to the bottom. and I decide, well, I only have a week left in my hunt or whatever, and so I'm going to go ahead and shoot that bear. And he's about, I don't know, 10 feet up in the tree,

and I shoot him and he falls. And I'm pretty sure that, you know, I kill him. And then all of a sudden I hear this horrible screaming, just nasty, loud screaming, just stood the hair up on my back. and it's going down to the creek, and it keeps screaming all the way to the creek, and then I can hear it splashing down the creek, screaming at these unbelievable levels.

I mean, it was loud, and it kept screaming as it ran. It probably got at least a half a mile down the creek before the timber and the brush and everything completely dampered the noise out, and whether it stopped screaming at that point or whether it just completely faded out. I'm not sure, but I've never heard a bear make the noises that this thing was screaming. And so it kind of left me, you know, to believe that there might have been something hunting

those bears while I was hunting those bears, but I don't know that. You know, it's like I say, it could have been just a vicious bear. It could have been maybe they have a scream that I've never heard before. But you certainly don't hear them screaming and running, you know, at top speed. You know, they wouldn't be running at top speed and bellowing, you know, at the top of their lungs for, you know, I mean, it seemed like it lasted a minute. It probably didn't. It probably lasted, you know, 20 seconds. But it was, it was pretty creepy. We thought at first my nephew met up with me before we go to go to get this bear. And I said, you know, I don't know what the heck's going on. He goes, well, maybe you didn't hit it right. and maybe you wounded it, and maybe it was making some blood-curling roar that you've just never heard before because it was wounded and trying to get away. And I said, you know what?

We'll call it that. So let's go over there and see what's going on. And we hiked to that tree. We drove to another road because it was a lot closer to get down to that tree. And we hiked down in there, and my bear was laying on its bag dead right where it fell out of the tree. Oh my goodness. What a wild story. I mean, that's as crazy as the first time I heard it.

It's awesome. That area is so intensely wild. And any of these places that have been coming up today, I mean, you got to be careful when you get out there. I mean, as it says in the book, Oregon Bigfa Highway, you got to make sure you got a full tank of gas, you know, safety. safety supplies and extra tires, you could easily, you know, mess up a tire up there. It is, you don't mess around when you're going out in these areas outside of Estaceta and Detroit for sure. Jim, it has been awesome talking to you. I do have one last question, kind of a one-off and doesn't hit, no problem.

But have you ever heard of anything weird happening over by the, let me look at my map here? It's the Warm Springs Reservation. Yeah, there's a lot of, a lot of people, you know, claim that they've seen stuff. Where I told you, my original story that was above Last Creek there south of Peavine, that's only a couple miles from Warm Springs Meadow, which is kind of almost borders the Warm Springs Indian Reservation. Yeah, there's a lot of country that really, pinhead, deep. A Lolly Butte, you know, the Pinhead, that, you know, I ran into, I'm sorry, I can't keep his name,

but the guy from Skookham Lake, I saw him up at Pinhead once. Oh, wow. So, yeah, it's, that's one of the other places that I'd stumbled into him. So I'm going to say there's probably an awful lot of activity there. I know that if you're going out there looking for these things, you need to make. sure you're in a place where there's lots of elk and lots of bears because they they either you know that's a food source or that is well like i i know of one place of the colawash river where there's been a ton of of activity and i've had some really weird things never

personally seen but i've had some incredible stuff that could be a whole other story going on up there and that is just filled with deer there's hardly any elk in that particular pocket so it's not always elk. They've got to have a good source, though. It seems like everywhere I hear of a sighting, or I've heard somebody say, oh, I saw one of these or so on and so forth. It always seems to be where there's a lot of elk, and there is a ton of elk on the reservation and back towards. I actually saw a footprint in Badger Creek Wilderness Area one time, which is kind of the other end, off reservation, kind of the other end, the mountain, you know, very close to just basically directly east of Mount Hood.

But I've never heard of anybody seeing anything over there. Every time I've heard of somebody saying, oh, I saw one or I heard one or this or that, it's always been kind of where skyline road gets to kind of the headwaters of Cabin Creek and then through the timber back towards Pinhead and then east of there. There was an Indian guy I used to run into all the time up on 42. his name was Rodney, and he lived on the reservation, and he had claimed he'd seen him multiple times, and they were always right in that area also. It's incredible.

I mean, how cool is it, you know, you're out there as an outdoorsman as a hunter, but you keep having these interactions and weird things happening, and I'm just, you know, thank you so much for reaching out to the show and for sharing what you've experienced over the years, Jim, has been delightful conversation. It's always fun to talk to someone who really knows the area around the Oregon Bigfoot Highway. I just want to say thank you so much for coming on the show. I just want to make sure that you were able to share everything that you wanted to talk about today. Yeah, I think we covered plenty.

Maybe we'll have another conversation down the road and I can tell you about all the things I can't confirm. Absolutely. Yeah, feel free to reach out and we can definitely set that up for a later time. I'd love to have you back on, but thanks again, sir. You bet. Thank you. Thank you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Every encounter we share reminds us that the world is bigger and stranger than we think

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