Bigfoot Society - Bigfoot of the Driftless with the Midnight Squatchers

Episode Date: June 3, 2024

In episode 446, Bigfoot of the Driftless with the Midnight Squatchers, Jeremiah has the privilege of interviewing John Montoya and April Gabel from the Midnight Squatchers. They dive deep into their fascination with Bigfoot and their thrilling experiences in the field. John, originally from Monterey Bay area, shares his journey from witnessing apparitions at a young age to actively searching for Bigfoot in the Northern California wilderness. He recounts spine-chilling encounters, from eerie growls behind his tent to a massive creature almost 9 feet tall throwing dirt clods at his car. April, born and bred in Minnesota, shares her outdoor experiences and sightings, adding another layer to their dedicated research. The conversation shifts to their intensive investigative work in the Driftless Area, a Midwest geographic region that formed because it was largely untouched by glaciers and teeming with potential Bigfoot sightings. John details encounters that range from odd howls to mysterious orbs of light, while also contemplating the nature and origin of Bigfoot itself. They even discuss their future plans, such as hosting a Bigfoot conference in the Forestville area to bring together enthusiasts and skeptics alike. Throughout, their passion and commitment to uncovering the truth behind the Bigfoot phenomenon remain evident, making this episode a must-listen for cryptid enthusiasts and believers. Join Jeremiah as he navigates through this electrifying conversation filled with mysterious sightings, unexplained events, and a shared hope of solving one of the greatest cryptid mysteries.Resources:Facebook Group - https://www.facebook.com/groups/777964916242032/Chad Lewis books - https://www.chadlewisresearch.comShare your Bigfoot encounter with me here: [e-mail]🔴 Subscribe to hear more Bigfoot encounters: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: [e-mail]

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minnesota how are you doing tonight guys great how are you doing jeremiah oh man doing good i've always wanted to talk to you guys i mean we've chatted for a little bit down in the van meter visitor festival down in van meter iowa and i kind of get to chat with you guys for a bit but but I've never gotten the chance to actually sit down and talk with you. So I'm glad we were able to finally make this happen tonight. But John and ABLE, do you mind sharing a little bit about yourselves how you got into the Bigfoot game and all that good stuff? Sure, yeah. I wish we had more time on some of these events.

I get it. Personally, I'll go ahead and start. I've been into the Bigfoot phenomenon. Anything that goes bump in the night. You know, I grew up around the creature feature scene in the West Coast. I'm from Monterey Bay Area, San Cruz, to be exact. And I've always been fascinated. My mom was a big reader in the Fate magazines, which I wish I had all five boxes of them now.

I didn't know they were so much, but I used to love them magazines. And I'd read them a little bit, watch all these horror flicks. You know, I was born in mid-60s. So I was always fascinated by that. And what really got me was about seven years old. I've seen apparitions, you know, a ghost. So spooked the heck out of me, but that kind of made me start drifting in this, you know, maybe Nasty is real. Maybe this Bigfoot lore is real.

I mean, I come from the Northern California part, which is a mecca reports up there. So that kind of got me interested in UFOs. I'm still interested in all that, you know, everything that goes bump in the night. Bigfoot is my forte. That's what I really emphasize on. But, yeah, that's kind of what got me started in it. And, you know, I've ever since probably the, you know, late 70s, early 80s, I'd get out in the woods a lot and started really venturing around to see what I could find. But I wish I knew what I did now versus what I didn't know then, I should say, because, boy, I'll tell you, there's probably a lot of stuff I missed over the years.

So just to make sure that I get that. So you were starting to look for Bigfoot in the late 70s and 80s? Yeah, we would go, I was a teenager, I was 14, 15. I would venture out in the woods and I'd always look for footprints. We had a levee that came down with trees that went all the way out to the ocean and ventured up to my dad's friend's ranch. It was 6,000 acres. So we roamed them, apple orchards all over the place.

So we had roamed them a lot and ride our bikes. And when we get a chance, we'd go up to the mountains and, you know, we'd camp out. And we'd venture down the trails and see what we could see. So I was always interested in it. But mainly back then, I didn't know nothing about the tree structure, I mean, you know, structures, footprints and visual. That's basically all it really developed in my mind to. But yeah, so we were out, you know, out and about since early age, just looking around hunting, fishing. But it wasn't until the, I would say, early 80s to mid 80s when I really started, really venturing out.

You know, I had a vehicle so I can, you know, I'm not on a bike anymore. I'm on two wheels on a four. So you can get out and venture up and down the state and different places where you want to get out and really look. You know, I mean, it's a big state. California is huge. Wow, that's fascinating. April, what's your story? How do you get into the whole Bigfoot thing there?

Well, I always was in the outdoors when I was a kid and stuff. And my grandma always told me never go in the woods at night because there's a boofy man, Bigfoot, whatever. So don't go out there. at night. Well, we kids would always roam, you know, the acres we had. We had five acres and we were always on about. And, you know, things would, you know, you'd hear things and stuff. I knew he existed, but I never saw one until later down the road. And when I really saw one, I was like, wow, you know. And I was into like seeing ghosts and stuff. I seen a lot of stuff like that before. but I like Bigfoot.

I mean, it's interesting, and I didn't tell anybody about it until I met him. Oh, interesting. Okay. And when you were talking about the earlier life, what state was that, April? I'm Minnesota. I'm born and bred here.

Awesome. Yeah. No negative. Yep. So, John, what was the first time that you had a, uh, that you think you got relatively close or the first interaction with Bigfoot that really sticks out in your mind, I guess? Well, if you're looking for a visual, because I've had two of them, an actual Class A sighting, that would happen until the mid-90s.

But in the 80s, I've heard many of screams in the woods, found some strange structures. It looked t-pe-ish that I really dismissed. wasn't really in the structures. I have seen footprints. I heard some loud howls. I've heard even something that similar to the Ohio hell. Like that moan, long, drowned out, steady, not no up and down on the vocal,

just a straight, steady, like, moan in the distance. Again, I just, in the 80s, I wasn't, it really didn't stick in my mind like it does now. I just really didn't know enough. but the one in the 90s is when it really started coming together for me in the 90s is when I've had a lot of interaction I think because I really feel it was there was time that we went camping after I heard that moan and we had been in this area after we found this teepee structure and I've seen some light footprints that were pretty big I mean they were huge I didn't take

no pictures we had the old you know phones back in and it It didn't exist. You know, you had a 110 camera in your pocket, which if I carried once in a while, which I didn't have at the time. That stuck out. You know, it was about 14 inches, real deep in the ground, very deep, but two and three quarter inches. And it was a real heavy footprint.

And there was two or three of them that went across this trail, and it went up towards the tree line in the redwoods there, which I didn't have no, I thought it might be a big foot, but I really didn't, you know, I just thought to myself, it probably ain't I just missed it. I just, yeah, it could be, but, you know, who cares? In the mid-90s, I just kind of threw it off the side. In the mid-90s is when I was there with my ex-wife where it's beautiful when you come down from Gilroy. It's called Mount Madonna, and you come over the top of the mountain.

And as you come around, there's little pull-offs. I don't know how they are now. They might be blocked off. But back then, you can pull up your car, you know, a little 100-foot pull-offs, and you can see the lights of Monterey Bay, Santa Cruz, the coast. and we'd love to go cruising the Redwood. She knew I was in the Bigfoot. And we'd love to just go out.

And on the way down, we'd park and hang out. One night, we were sitting out there, and we had just pulled off to the pool off. We weren't there maybe five minutes, turn the radio on low in our car. I was going to roll down the window. And we were just chit-chatting for I rolled down the window. And we were looking off the beautiful lights. And all of a sudden, I heard this boom, against my driver's side window. And it startled me because, you know,

I run this to Smokey Roberts and something mellow, you know, cruising together. And then you hear this boom. And I looked and there was a dirt mark on my driver's side window where something had hit and broke open. And I realized it later it was a dirt clot. It was a bot, big as round of grapefruit. And it startled me and she looked at me and goes, what the heck was that? And I go, someone's got to be messing with us, you know.

So open the door. They go, who's out there, you know? There was nobody out there. It's just a little road that turns around a corner with a mountain. but a little 50-foot cliff. There's a mountain behind us, the mountain goes down. And when I looked,

I heard some rattling up on the hill about 50 feet up. This road goes around like a U. And there's a little pool off on this side. And you see that my little 50-foot hill with grass and some trees up there, and there's redwoods. But there was a pine tree that was moving

and you can see the gravel kind of trickling down towards the road. So something had been up there. What, right away, I thought, Bigfoot, you know, it's the only thing. Who could throw this? It was about midnight, 12, 30 at night. It wasn't real late, but it was late.

And I'm a late-nighter. That's why I call them Midnight Squatchers. But anyway, I got out and I said something had to be up to because the bush is moving. I was leaning down, talked to him, and told her, but then I go, that didn't make any sense to my mind because how can you throw a dirt clot straight down and then turn like a U, L shape, and hit my window? at that point I looked up and I had that uneasy feeling you know we all had that instinct that gut feeling and I had a feeling of something where that dirt cloud had came because there was a little barrier there some people want to go over and over the hill overlooking the bay area there there's a lot of pine trees and shrubs in that area and I felt like something was watching me like you get that uneasy feeling

and I couldn't shake it and I told her I think we better go which we did but I did see the dirt cloud before all this happened the dirt clod was on the ground and it was broken in three pieces and it was a hard dirt cloud

like you'd see in a field after it dried but something had thrown that and hit the window and it startled us and I believe something was there because there must have been if it was Bigfoot related And if it was a Bigfoot, which I think it could have been, there had to be one that threw that at us to get our attention.

And then there had to be one on the top of this little hill there overlooking us, kind of like watching out. But that, that startled me. And I still, to this day, can't say it was or wasn't. But, you know, who knows? And that was about the mid-90s because we had just, I just met my first wife. Later on, this would be 97, if you fast forward, I'll go to another incident. And this is where I had my class A. We were, I had a friend with me, George, and we were cruising around, you know, and we'd go way up.

We got Loma Prieta is up in our mountains. The Tana Cruz Mountains is a big range there. But Lola Prieta sits on, and we would go up a lot of these roads and you can, you know, get all the way up to the top, and there's nobody up there. And I had an old glass business called Johns Auto Glass. I had my point of pickup and had a slider. Once we got up there, you know, throw a couple beers in the back, and we pull over and have a beer here and there. Have about one or two, you know, going down the road

and just kind of have a good time, just get out and just relax. And we had been up there about two hours. So on the way back down, we were coming down towards the Mount Madonna, where I camp a lot and where I've had a lot, not just me, but I've heard from other people where they've had seen some of these creatures up in that area. we were coming back down the back side. It's a windy road. It's desolate, dark, scary at night.

I mean, it's just dark. It's a little one-lane road. So if someone's coming, you got to back up until you get enough room to pull over in some spot. So it's very narrow. And it winds around, just like a snake all around there and curves. We were coming about halfway down the mountain. It was probably about two in the morning.

And we were probably about two in the morning. and we both had to relieve ourselves. So we pulled over and there was a little, there was a lot of red, it was a little dark, but around this corner where we stopped, we had pulled up just a little bit further than that, about 50 feet.

There was a little clearing. It was a bright moonlit night. I never forget that night. And you can see the moonlight trickling down through the redwoods there because it was a little clearing where it wasn't so thick. And we went to go to the hill there

and do our duty. And my friend was standing about 10 feet from me. And now I've seen him look up and this kind of stutter and he points up like that and straight up to yell. He's going, my nickname's JD. He's going, J. J. J. J. J. J. J.

And I go, what's wrong with you? You know, I'm going to something around you. And he points. I look up and that's when I've seen. And Bigfoot Times wrote about this, Danny Perez. It would look like a nine foot tall, out backlit, hairy creature. What got me, and I always say it's in all the podcasts that I've been doing on different ones, the shoulder with, the shoulders were. just huge. Four foot, easy. And just massive. I can only see it by the thighs up,

but whatever it was, was staring right back at us. And all you can see is the outline, but it was huge. And I tell everybody, my dad, you know, he knew a lot of promoters, take us to allow the wrestling matches. I met Andre the Giant. I met Rock's dad, Rocky Johnson, Peter My Beaz. I mean, I probably even seen the Rock in there. Andre Giants put his hand over my head and go little Montoya and here I am eight years old and I was being ah. When I look at this creature, whatever it may be, you know, we still know what they are. I have a lot of theories on that. It just didn't make any sense.

Nothing on earth could be that big that we're taught in our brain, you know, in our heads. It's just, you can't conceive that up here. It just don't make any sense. And the arms massive. I did a silhouette where I cut it, and it doesn't even look nothing like it. And this thing's three foot. I made a cardboard cut out of it. It's similar, but no.

There was no really head. It's just like a bump with shoulders. I mean, it was just massive. And this all happened 15, 20 seconds, but it felt like eternity when you're looking at this thing. I had pulled over and had a butt. And I tell this, and I had about a quarter of my beer left. We were going to have a beer and sit there for a minute, where I went down the hill. And I don't know what, why I did this.

Don't ask me to this day. I don't know. I was freaked out. I looked in and I go, hey, and I threw my beer bottle up at it. Why I don't know? And it went about 10 feet because it's up to you. Life with CIDP can be tough. But the Thrive Team, a specialized squad of experts,

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and a deep guttural grunt. That's when I turned around and hightled it right into the truck, and we couldn't go more than 15, 20 miles an hour max. And I got out of there. I don't know what it was doing there, and I have theories about that. Maybe it was, I interrupted its meal. Maybe it was chasing a deer. Maybe we just came across it, and it just happened to be there,

and it didn't like that. But me thawing that bottle up at, I think, really got under its skin. It did not like that. but when it started swaying is what it was swaying and then I threw a beer bottle and it just froze

it felt like it was walking towards me at that point coming down the hill I don't know I heard crunching I was so terrified it just it just didn't make

and still when I think about it it doesn't make any sense you know I believe that they're out there I know they're out there but what they are, I don't know. I don't know, but all I know is they're massive. And I would not want to be anywhere close to them

if they're not in a good mood. I'll tell you that, because these things are massive. I've been hunting a lot. I've had a gun on even shot at this thing. I would have just got out of there and left it alone. It was massive. But that was in 97. And I still, to this day, I went down there twice after that.

and looking around in the daytime. I will not go there at night because there's mothing down some of these trees. It's just an old, creepy road. If I brought you out there, if I took you there at night, you'd probably have second thoughts. It's really. So I took April out there in 2018. We go out there once a year, every year, but I have lung issues. So when COVID hit, we didn't go out there for a couple years.

Excuse me, but I've been out there in a rental car and tried to get down that area. I can go around the surrounding area. but when I want to go down that road, it's, I don't know if you want to call PTSD, what everyone call it, I cannot get myself to go down that road at night. I can go anywhere around this United States, but where I've seen this thing,

I cannot get myself to go down that road. I tried. I get two car links and I spin around. Once you get within about 200 feet down that road, it's hard to back up. You're pretty much going to go all the way down. But that freaked me out. You are you're stuck pretty much.

You're going down there. You can get, yeah, if you're, it's, it's windy. It's got, it's a mountain. So you got drop-offs on each side. That's not a good idea to go down there. I mean, you can navigate it backwards, but it'd be slow going. So one of these creatures came out. And there's only one way backwards or forwards.

And if you have to go backwards, good luck. Yeah, perfect, perfect area for something to take you out if it wanted to, for sure. Oh, guarantee it. Guarantee it. That is, that's a wild sighting that you had there, John. And you saw it backlit. Do you remember anything about like the shape of the head?

It didn't look. And I've watched Bigfoot shows since the 70s. So it, to me, it didn't look to conical. It was, it just looked big. I mean, but it was, if you looked at shoulders with a little bump, like a basketball size, but it was bigger than that, of course, but it was just more of a roundish. There was a head, but it was round.

It wasn't conical. It was more, it was round. And again, it was dark, but you can definitely see that in the moonlit. And, you know, you can see a little bit of tough of hair, because it was lit pretty good. But it was very dark. So it had to, I don't know if it was dark, brown, black, who knows,

but it was huge. I know that. You could see the arms from about the, the forearm up. And it was by a big fern and there's trees there. That's all I can see. Like I came back to, you know, next day a couple times during the lab that two weeks after that. There were some shrub like ferns that grew up in the redwoods there.

So that kind of blocked its view from the legs up. But when I estimated the height of it, it had to be every bit of nine foot. It was big. Wow. The shoulders got to me. To this day, the shoulders. Absolutely. I mean, yeah, it's something that, you know, four feet across at the shoulders. That's wild. I can't imagine. That sighting that you had, how did that affect the future of your Bigfoot research after that time? Well, of course, as is very intrigued about what these creatures are. Are they different, are they part of one of the four hominic groups? Are they a totally different one all in, all together?

Are they even from this world? I'm open-minded. Very open-minded to all theories. Of course, the most common theory, the ones that make sense to you, is it's part of the Great Bate family that were taught back in the day. I've came a long way since then. You know, that's all I ever thought back in the 70s and 80s. I'm open to other theories now.

I just don't know. I do believe the government might have. You know, it probably does have some, you know, have shot one of these things and probably knows about him. I mean, you hear about it all the time. I mean, there's that pamphlet that shows them up in the training pamphlet that actually mentions these creatures. You know, my dad was full-blooded Apache. He, you know, the Indians, Native Americans, they know they know about it, you know. So they've been here a lot longer than us, maybe.

You know, who knows? There's a lot of theories. I was listening to Ron Moorhead this morning on one of the talk shows, and he was, you know, it's still going off about some of the different theories. And I like his theories, and I like everybody's theories. I just don't know. We just don't know. That's all you say.

We don't know. That's a good way to put it. You know, there's, you have to pretty much just be open to all the stuff because we haven't gotten to study one yet. And be careful if you are saying that I'm not open to this or I'm not open to this because, dude, you're putting yourself in a bad situation. If you're not just, you've got to consider all the stuff. That's where I am right now. You know, I'm talking to all these different people. And it's like, who's to say it couldn't be this or it couldn't be this?

You know, hopefully in our lifetime, we'll figure it out. But, you know, we'll see. So you have that siting in California. And then how do you get to where you are now where you're in the Midwest doing some really interesting Bigfoot research out here? Yeah. Well, I did have another sighting as a road crossing not too far from that area in California. And I can just do that briefly. We were just coming down the opposite side of the hill.

And I had my kids playing in the back of the same pickup, had a little camper shower and put my windows in. I did auto glass mainly, but I did anything in the glass trade. But we were coming around a corner, and I'll go, because I got a lot of different stuff talking about, and as we were coming around the corner, we noticed this black figure. It wasn't, it looked funny compared to the other one I seen. And now it's tall. It probably was seven and a half foot tall, maybe the most. But it had came down a steep hill that was almost straight down.

and as we were coming around this corner and there's a lot of windy roads out where I was born and raised, believe me. We cut this black figure, and then it went across, you can see the reddish hair coming off, it was on long arms. It took one step across the road, and that's about all we've seen it, and it was gone over the hill by it. It went down about maybe 50 feet down to a little creek, and then it went straight back up another hill.

It's very mountaining in that area. And we stopped. and my second wife said what the heck was that? My little boy, he lived with me. He came up with me to Minnesota. He still lives here. My oldest boy is still in California from my hometown there in Santa Cruz, Watsonville. So he had seen it.

My oldest boy says he didn't see nothing because he had his back turned to that area or something. But he heard everybody, you know, he felt the truck stopped and he was wondering what's going on. And we had little sliders back when my youngest boy has seen it. And it looked like a dog. But when we hit it real quick with the lights, as it came across, you see his arm movement. There was a little reddish in the light tint from the headlights. But it jumped. It just took one step across the road.

These rolls aren't very big. I mean, they're very narrow. And launched over the edge. Again, maybe I'm an idiot. I don't know. I got off the car to her stop. She was not into that. My second wife said, no, no, no.

You said, before she can move. I got off the car, so she had to wait. I was in a passenger site. She was driving and went around. Had a little flashlight. I didn't work together. I was trying to sign it down, but couldn't really see much. But it just looked dark.

When I went to look down that area, and my flashlight was very weak, batters are dead, so I'd go and see maybe five feet. I started getting this feeling again. It was like a toy feeling like I had before being watched. But it was totally different. It was more of a feeling like you get out of here now. I have a feeling like you don't belong here. And what's weird about this sight is I had this buzzing in my head, which I never had

and never have after that. It was like a, not a ring. It was like a buzzing feeling in my head. Like I know we've talked, and a lot of people talked about, not we have, a lot of people have talked about infrasound. I think I get hit by some infrasound. And I've never felt that ever again in my life, never before. Just that one incident.

But it felt like something was throwing something off. I was kind of getting busy almost. It was just a buzzing. And I had a real uneasy feeling. Like if I stayed there a second longer, it probably wouldn't have been good. So that gut feeling that we all have, I backed off and got on the truck and we got out of there. I did go back to the next day. And what I've seen, and I never forget, we just had crossed this white little picket bridge.

And so one lane, so the drain comes under. of that to drain from the mountain. And there's a few houses scattered here and there up on the hills. But there's little white picket fence, not more than two feet. I mean, this is an old road. And so one lane. So if there's a car coming, you've got to wait until he comes by and you go around. We just came around that corner.

I went in the daytime, and I was the exact spot, I was saying, I said, here, is it there? I got close to it. And sure enough, there was a, it looks like I got a footprint that was probably, it was a half print, maybe about five to six inches. It looked like the middle part where he had hit and then pushed off. So you only got the middle part of that, just kind of where it jumped. And what I did see was there was no bushes or shrubs or any of that weeds or anything disturbed to about 15 feet further.

They looked like a cow had rolled down the hill there towards a creek. So this thing had to launch and land and then make its way down the creek there. And then probably went back up. But you can see where it had been disturbed, the bushes there. So that made me think, yeah, probably did see what I seen. But this one looked more almost like it was malnutrition. Like it just wasn't eating well. Maybe it was older.

I don't know. But I just got a glimpse of again, maybe a second, just a glimpse of it going across. And that area is known. The BFRO has some of their sightings there from. the mountain of down area where a lady had seen one same vicinity where she had came around a corner and she noticed a figure walking, a hairy figure walk on the side of the road. And there's always a little drainage creeks that go down around these mountain areas. And when she told her husband, well, it had darted off and went down towards the creek there,

you know, in the redwoods. So there's a lot of different stories in there. I have friends have told me they have seen something ripped out of tree and pick it up and carry it. And they don't, they didn't see the figure, but they can see a tree cracking and then it goes up in the air and it just starts being carried. That's, that's crazy. I mean, I can't even imagine that. That's superhuman strength. Oh, yeah.

How do you explain that away? I mean, that doesn't make sense. No sense. Yeah. No, no, not at all. But I could, I could tell you a lot of stories I've heard being born and raised on the West Coast. And I mean, I'd have to be here for hours, but I'd listen, I observe Mike Rood from the Bigfoot Discovery Museum. I've talked to him several times.

And I remember last time we were there, I think it was 2018. Yeah. And he was showing me a jawbones. They had found down there by the Santa Cruz Mountains. And it was a picture that his friend had found and brought it and showed him. But the sheriffs have got word of it. And because, and it looked three times larger, but it looked human-like. It was an animal.

It looked like a human jawbone. It was about three times a size of ours, so extended. But he said the sheriff took it, and they said they had to do some forensics on it, and it looked too human, and they would return it later. He said, never got it back. I remember. But we've seen the picture of it. Yes.

2018. Really? When he was. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And I've seen a picture of this.

I wish I could have snapped a picture. I didn't even think about it. Even though I had another technology we have now, but it was crazy. It was a, you know, it was a decent size, you know, jawbone. If you try to measure ours, just imagine that about twice, maybe two and a half times larger. That's crazy. It was, yeah. I've never heard of that.

That's really interesting. Yeah, that's, you know, we've heard a lot of stories from around there. including a person that had shot at one of these and he has a ranch. And I don't think the creature really liked that in the middle of the night and came back. Having MG can make cooking difficult. But over the years, I found some really helpful tools and tips that I'm excited to share. Hi, I'm Alicia. I think cooking should always be fun, creative, and of course delicious.

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And I don't know, man. Yeah, I don't know what would, you know, what the significant meaning of that means. But I mean, if you, from when I heard, this thing was harassing his cattle, so he shot it, he's seen it in the middle and I could keep hearing him being disturbed. Again, not too far from the area in California. This was actually in Hollister by the mountains, Fremont's Peak, and I guess this guy shot at one. And an early morning here to thump against his door,

and we opened it, and there was the head of this, you know, cattle or bull. It looks like it twists it off. Me and April, not too far around here, took a report here in Minnesota from two hunters. And we researched that. We used to fish there. We still do for the last, I've been here 24 years. So I met April and 03. So about 21 years ago, we fished there.

And I fished there forever. A little pond, now it's state run. But they had spotted something coming out of the woods when they were hunting all there one day. Because they were asking me about my little Bigfoot sign on my little Sion. I got a little Toyota Sion. I said, I do Bigfoot. I'm a Bigfoot researcher and this and that.

But they had told me that when they were hunting, they had seen something across the meadows behind this pond. come out of the wood line, they got their scope of looking through it, and they said, they thought it was a bear, because once in a while I get a bear down here in Southern Minnesota coming out and passing through. And he said it wasn't a bear. It looked like an ape or something. It came out of the woods and walked about 20 feet and went back in. So I told ape, that's crazy. I still couldn't believe it. So we started not just fishing there, started looking around the wooded areas there. And we did find like a mossy type little structure,

about 12 foot, not very tall, maybe four or five foot high, but it looked like a little structure like something was laying under there. What's odd about this is we had found a, right by the creek there, we had found a dead raccoon, a deer half-eaten, the head was on it, the ribs were missing, the middle part, one of the legs tall on, one leg was missing, and we found someone's pet, which is unfortunate. It was about a 50-pound dog when a really childish. chow-chow, black, all-black, chow-chow dogs, and the neck was twisted on it.

So that really piqued my mind and thinking, and I didn't like seeing anyone's pet, and I took a picture of it. I don't even want to show it to anybody, but it just didn't make any sense by this area. You know, it just by this little structure we found. So we're keeping an eye down there, you know, in that area, and it's not too far from where I live. I think they're closer to rural areas and they use our rivers and streams like highways. Like we do our highways. They travel them. And we can go on too.

Yeah. And it's because our rural areas keep going in, they keep moving out into their areas. That's what I think is going on. So as we go further out into the woods with our houses, that's when the crazy. stuff can happen. And even urban areas. We live, my town right here is Claremont, Minnesota. It's only a 550 now, two must have passed on. But it's a small town at that. And we got a little creek about a mile out this way, the new Highway 14, the old Highway 14 here. My backyard has nothing but corn behind it, the old 14 more corn, ponds, and then Rice Lake State Park. And so we're, who knows,

what they do, even when the corn's up, I think the creatures know. It's their time that they can wander. They know when to be secluded and elude us. I don't, you know, I don't know if you want to call them creatures either. They could be a primitive human. They could be smarter and us for all we know. You don't know. But I refer them to that because my mind, when I first seen one, that's what I thought. You know, it's something you thought in your childhood. You see something like that. It's like a monster. You know, it's not something that we, in our everyday lives, you don't see you don't see Chabaca walking down the road waving at you every day.

So it just doesn't make any sense, you know. That's true. Yeah. But yeah, so getting back to your question about it, you want to know about Minnesota. Yeah. So when I moved up here, I kind of left alone for a couple years, just didn't really care. I met April 103. we had talked a lot

and after we got together after a year she told me about her incident in Georgia and you know she had she had near death experience where she was in a bad car accident and she's seen some apparition

so we really started hitting it off and we've been together a long time now, 21 years but that's when I started saying hey we're you know I'm in this bigfoot you know stuff

So let's just get out and start venturing, and we have been. So that kind of piqued my interest and got me back into it. My youngest boy, he's raising two kids, so it's hard, but he's into it. So he's like a part-time squatcher, midnight splotter. But maybe just me in April, we go everywhere, and we pick up and hang out with different people along the way. And we got some part-time researchers to hang out with us, you know, whenever they get time, they come out with us. But it's just mainly us. But we, that's what, when I moved up here, I really didn't.

think that Minnesota, believe it or not, I thought, yeah, Bigfoot around here, but nah, it's got to be all up and down the West Coast, you know, Oregon, Washington, maybe some spots around the Midwest, but not Minnesota. Boy, was I wrong when I started really diving deep and researching and reading up and talking to different people, there was a lot more reports than I ever would think of. And I didn't know about the Jimps area until about 10 years ago. I never thought about researching it. I love the area. But in the last three years, we've got access to a place up by La Crosse now.

And like I said, down by the Harmony area, Spring Valley. You know, we got access to about 500 acres here and there in different parts. And then which we do, now we have access where we cleaned out an area, which I can bring people out. Once in the blue moon, I can bring a couple people out camping. And they don't want to hoard people, you know, be respectful. But we actually set up a place where you can put four tents in our research. And in that area, once I started research now, about three years ago, two of the farmers had some sightings out there.

And they slowly came out and relayed that to me. One of us, and I can, that's what kind of get me. I mean, I started getting back into the Bigfoot, but we didn't hear too much about it. We heard a couple reports here and there. it wasn't until about the last 10 years where I started really picking up a lot of reports. Start asking a little more questions, being a little braver about, you know, I'm not shy. I'll go up to anybody and say what I want at times. And sometimes I guess you're in trouble.

But I decided to start looking around and, you know, doing a little more research. And there were some people that would laugh at you and other people who say, well, I do remember someone or I had or I know of somebody. and it just started growing from there. But down in Spring Valley, if I can relay that this farmer had this property for about 10 years and hunted it. And one night he had a big bonfire, a brush fire. You know, I'm talking huge. Burn up some brush around his land. He had 100 acres there.

It's probably maybe a half mile from where we research now, where we got access to. and he one night he said he was sitting out there about 10 at night he started here some thrashing and some growling

and something in the woods again man probably a bear that came through from somewhere you know but as he got closer it sounded too big to be a bear it was thrashing and screaming and was strange hollows

I don't know how long it took but he said all of a sudden this thing came out of the wood line and he's seen it. And he told me they looked every bit about nine foot tall. I started thinking of my encounter when he told me that. And I was just like, whoa, you know, that's crazy. And he said this thing looked agitated.

It wasn't happy. And he has 10-year-old son sitting there. I guess this thing had slung a log at him. And he had a rifle with him, but he picked up his son around the waist and highted in his house and pretty much stayed in there for the rest of the night. and this thing thrashed around for about 20 minutes and was screaming and doing doing whatever it does and eventually he went back in the woods and when he got out to the next day he found 17 and 3 quarter inch tracks which he claims he took a picture of which

I have not seen because I have it hooked up to meet this guy because I've heard this from a couple friends from over there of the story and the guy really is not conversation He kind of likes to be to himself. So he's not, he's not, he's not open to just meeting anybody. He just like stated. Don't want to meet anybody. He doesn't want to deal with anybody. So I'm trying to work my way over there and get this report.

I would love to see that picture. But it came from rep people. These are farmers. They're not going to pull the wool over your eye. But that's what really got me interested in this area. and our friend Chad Lewis had wrote about Forestville. I don't know if you read that book on the Minnesota about the, I don't know, it wasn't, it was kind of like a dog, man. I believe it was some kind of wolf-like creature or something that was in the Forestville.

People were camping there and this thing was doing mice on them. And then you remember that story. So we had investigated that place a couple times too. Yeah, we did. There was. That's what got me down in that area. Sorry, so you investigated one of Chad Lewis. the stories like you followed up on it?

Yeah, we went down, looked around, asked around, talked to the, the, uh, the, uh, Rangers there and they were not, they were unaware of anything. But when we got there, uh, we just went there about a month ago, too again. And they said, yeah, we did read the stories. Very interesting. But I asked around and none of the other forest rangers have heard the story. So they were, they were shocked. Do you mind, uh, sharing a brief.

summary of it just because, and I'll put Chad's book in the show notes for sure, but I think that's one where a lot of people might not be familiar with how they. Yeah, and I don't remember the whole detail. It's been a while since I read it, but I'll break it down briefly. I believe that the campers, there was three guys, I believe that went there on the offseason, which is late September, early October when there's not too many kids. campers around. So they got to run out of the place.

It's just, you know, so they camp site number 13 in the Forestville camping area there. Excuse me. So anyway, they had went there and they were having a bonfire, having cold beers. And I don't know exactly what time was. It could have been 9, 10 at night. I don't remember. But they had a camper there in their truck, you know,

and they were planning a camp there and just hang out, you know, buddies. and I guess during the course of them sitting around the bonfire they had some a rat or something did a rat thrown at them by the fire and I don't know if you remember the story about I try to remember what I remember in my head and they thought it was just someone mess and they said hey knock it off who's out there

and they heard some rustling the bushes and they had another one come you know a few minutes later by the fire so they didn't know what it was and they hurt some growling And so they thought whatever it was, one of these things, actually threw them back out into the bushes there by the campfire. It's cleaned up now.

We looked at it. It's nothing like, I don't know what it looked like before, but it looks pretty open. It's not as, it sounds like it was really wooded and had a lot of brushing at a time. So they decided that whatever it is, they'll just leave them alone, and they won't bother them. They went into their camper,

and one of them was playing car. I guess they were playing cards, and one of them was cleaning the bathroom, I think, with a brush or something, if I remember it. And all of a sudden, they started growling outside the camper, and then pretty soon something started pounding and shaking it, where it was almost going off the wheels.

And I think they, you know, they were freaked out and heard this growling. And so it stopped for a minute. So one of the guys cleaned the bathroom, and the reason I say this, I always tell everybody, because there's a point of it with that brush that you clean the toilet with chemicals.

He opened the door, and this wolf-like head I don't think it was, I don't know of a sum but tall or how big it was, but this giant wolf-like head came in and it scratched at him and he hit it with the brush and if I remember it, they'd think the reason it backed

off and he was able to shut the doors because the chemicals got to the nostrils, but it had gassed his forearm open a little bit and they closed the door and this thing thrashed around a little bit in the last, so they decided to get in their truck and get out of there. They were scared.

They didn't want to be there no more. And I believe, if I remember right, when they were leaving out of that park, and we've been in that area, it's really wooded. This thing came back out of the tree line and jumped on their truck as they were leaving. And I guess they went, oh, no, they came out of tree line, and they went around. He jumped on a truck or they went around. I can't remember. He jumped on a truck.

I think it jumped on a truck from right. And anyway, I think. they either put on the brakes or rolled off or something like that and they got out of there and they went to the course to the Austin police department if I believe right and they pretty much told them it's probably just a bear you know life with CIDP can be tough but the Thrive team a specialized squad of experts helps people living with CIDP make more room in their lives for joy watch Rare Well Done. An all-new reality series, Rare Well Done offers help and hope to people across the country who live with the rare disease CIDP. Watch the latest episode now, exclusively on Rare Well Done.com. Wellness, longevity, health as a lifestyle. Every week, a new trend explodes across the media landscape.

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You got our permission, go in there and do what you want to do. So we looked around a little bit, hung out, and took some videos. And that's going to be, if I may, me and a friend of mine, Dan Adrello, he's a good, I don't know if you know Dan Adrello. He's a great big foot research. I have tried to talk to Dan for such a long time. And if Dan is listening, you always have an invitation, my friend. Yeah, he's a great. He's actually been out to my research area.

He goes, it looks squutchy. We went down in a tracts machine with, like, train tracks. We went down, I know how we got in some places. but anyway, I was fathoming this ideal about having a conference down in the Forestville area since there's so many reports as of late. So I talked to the Rangers. They said, you got our permission. They showed us where we're going to go.

So in 2025, I'm going to try to get some guest speakers together. Dan's going to help us out and we're going to throw. And we don't know what's going to be called yet. You know, driveless area conference, you know, four county, Iowa, whatever. We're going to figure it out, but it's in the making right now. So we're going to have our first ever Bigfoot Conference at that area. And it's a beautiful site with cabins. I believe we can have 30 or 50 camp or something of that.

One spot 30, the other 50. Yeah. So we're going to get together. And we're contemplating on June or September. We don't know yet. You got to make it work. You know, but we're going to, that's in the making. So we should be able to get that going by,

it will be in the making for next year. And it's a beautiful area to research. Yeah. Oh, man. There's not, so there's not enough Bigfoot Conference. Well, in the Midwest, I guess we have the Nebraska Bigfoot Conference. And then there's one up in northern Minnesota, right? Abe Del Rio's thing he played out.

Yeah, we go there quite a bit. The last three years in a row. And then around here, yeah, there's not. it's not too many you know hopefully we can get some more for people to come out and enjoy you know I love the Van Meter Festival.

The Van Meter Festival rocks yeah it's a fun time yeah it is it is I love that idea of you guys getting a some kind of bigfoot conference in that Forestville area

and I mean it that's I mean relatively close to Minneapolis is not that far away right? Probably about I don't know we're about our

away. I love our location in Claremont here. I think about two and a half maybe. About two hours. Two and a half forever. But you got Rochester, you know, the airport there. So if you want to fly in, but still it would be, it's kind of in the middle of, you know, you got Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Illinois ain't too far away. And that'd be.

A tourist area, beautiful area, a lot of caves. You got two in that area in that part. we're going to have it. They got the Fordonsville caves, which are beautiful. You can go on the ground. They've got a cave system you can venture into. A lot of hiking trails, I think 17 miles of hiking trails. It's a beautiful area. I mean, it's perfect. Picture perfect. We researched, me and April, we're thinking about this, contemplating it, and we went around different areas, different. I thought that would be perfect. It's right in the middle of everything. Yeah, right in the Driftless area. And not too far from there. You got the Niagara Caves, which is a little bigger than the

Forestville mystery cave. Yeah. And that one, you can go about a mile underground. And you end up in the Iowa side, actually, when you're down. 60 foot waterfall, we've been down there many times. Yeah. But all the reports. Yeah.

Once you get down to the end of the tour and you can go on further, there's private tours. And they got a wedding chapel too down there. Yeah. Believe it or not. Beautiful. That's funny, guys. So let's take this time. kind of talk about why is what's up with the driftless area?

Well, the dripless area is just unique in the own self. I don't know if you're familiar with that. That's where the glazers, and I didn't learn this until recently. The glazers kind of went around it, so it's been untouched. Everything is pretty much like it was 10,000 years ago. And there's a lot of caves, a lot of reports that I've been noticing from different. different people in that area, Wisconsin, Minnesota, the Iowa side up in that corner. But the triveless area is just a unique place.

Ecology, it's streams. I just noticed, I was looking on the Bigfoot mapping project and I was reading a story. I don't know if it's new or not. I think it was 86, where a lady had, and where we're going to have the conference, had seen a bigfoot-like creature kneeling down in the stream while she was her and herself was trout fishing. Yeah. and had seen a creature that she called found footprints later,

which she went over there later. But it looked like it was in the stream fishing, I guess. It was in the stream and it took off into the bushes. So the more and more I hear stories about this area, I'm just, I'm so glad we're only an hour away. I mean, it's a unique, it's a unique place to do research. And, you know, Cadd wrote about that one story. I've got about five that I know of from that area now.

across that's only about an hour and a half from us you know it's not too far away so all this is kind of jiving together that Mississippi corridor on each side how it's it's unique it's just unique yeah there's a massive amount of reports in the Driftless area on the Iowa side I mean Dubuque County alone just a ton and also I'm Stuff that's not even documented anywhere. People that just reach out to me and just like the whole Dubuque area is just wild. And that whole, well, actually the northeast, that whole northeast area, tons of Bigfoot sightings over the years. It's crazy.

So I think you guys have a great idea in mind getting, potentially getting that Bigfoot conference for that Drift area together. You had mentioned that you had an inn, was it over in La Crosse where you had like, there's like a 500 acre area or? That place, no, that would be more in the Spring Valley area. On that area, I couldn't tell you, it's pretty large too, but the person we met, actually met him through a person in Spring Valley, had it told me that he had seen Red Eyes in the Forest. and he's a hunter. He builds retain well. He's a nice guy.

But I took Dan Andrella with us because I wanted to go see the area. But we got game cams up right now in that area, you know, sell game cams. We keep monitoring from here in our house. It's pretty nice. Although you've got to hike up there to put him up and get in that area. But he had seen a little one and a larger one one day while he was hunting in that area. and the little one was probably five foot tall, but he said it kept coming up

or the big one of observing him. He was at a distance and would stand up and it would have like these little, the heart-danny lips, his straight lips, and we'd go, and kind of make a weird noise. And he kind of emitted from that kind of like chuckled,

but what it was trying to do, I don't know, but it would peek up and do some kind of motion with his mouth and then kind of go back down behind this log, well, all in all of his larger, he don't know how big it was. He looked at mass or, though.

was watching him. But he took us up there, and we did find, there's an old graveyard overlooking lacrosse there. And this is on the Minnesota side by a cult lacrosse, because it's right across the Mississippi. It's right. You can see the cross when you look across the river there. So it's, and they own that land there.

And there's a little graveyard there. And he said that's some of the first founders of lacrosse. They're buried in there. There's eight gravestones. Lucky I had some EMF meter, so I got to do a little bit of that. paranormal stuff too. But we went down with Dan Adela and him and he showed us around some different stuff.

We did find an interesting, it looked like a fence. It looked like, you know, 40-foot trees that were veed out and then you put one opposite this way and then the other one the other way. And there's three of them, like it made a little fence, which is kind of odd. It didn't make any sense. And these are big trees, so it's hard to pick up and say, hey, Jeremiah, let's go make a fence here. You know, it just ain't going to happen. So that was interesting.

and he also had shows a place where he thinks one of these hunts because he said he's heard weird strange noises up there, but he showed us this tree that he said it looked like they had broken off the branches and made like a roost where they sit up there, kind of like a hand, you know, upside down with the branches broke off. And there was a little, we noticed a little area where it looked like something had been laying there, but who's the say if that's what that was or not? But he's been out there and he said he's seen something out in this area.

He did text me about two months ago while he was out in the forest. He had showed me and sent me some video, but he's seen two of these running away from him and going down a hill during the day and it went back up. And this mountainous area, it's pretty mountainous forested. And it was going back up the hill. Now he did show me a picture from across. So if you're taking a half-mile picture with a cell phone,

it's not going to be very good. maybe a quarter mile, but you could see in the forest some dark, two dark figures. Now what they are, I don't know. So it's not definite.

They're not definitive, but it's interesting. But I'm going by what he's observing, and he had asked me if I picked up anything on my trail cam because he said they ran right by it. No, I didn't. The only thing I caught one time was a deer

that was by the trail cam, and it looked towards that area, because you put the cam, the cams right on top of the hill before it goes over. And it looked, and also it took off and ran, and then you see two sets of eyes kind of do this and come up. So that's another deer. They were white. It could be another deer.

It was a little taller than a deer, but I don't know. It's just, it's interesting, but. Interesting. I can't say it is or isn't. It's just interesting. But we do have our cams going, 24-7 up in both areas. right now. So hopefully we can

there's some solid sightings that are going on in that area. Anybody who ever wants to come up with us and you know, including you're welcome to come up. We can plan something and you can get out in the woods with us and like I show Dan, he was really impressed

when we were out there. He said some nice areas. Dan's a guy who gets, he goes everywhere. I know. He's a nut. I told him on the phone. I told him,

would not, I go, I handed to you. I mean, he's got a couple years on me. I'll be 59 in a week here, but I told him, I'd like to drive, but I can't, I don't sleep well. So for me, just to go somewhere, knock out and get up and go, it's kind of hard for me, but I give it to him. He's a go getter and he's everywhere. I like it, though. I like it. Absolutely. Have you guys ever been, let's say, out researching for Bigfoot and heard any sense? sounds that you weren't expecting to hear or that don't really fit in the environment where you're at. Yeah. Well, yes. I mean, yes, we recorded one, but I think that is sound more like a wolf, but I don't think there's wolves down to the driveless area. There were coyotes were going off down there one night just last year, and then we heard a long straight howl. It was crazy. I record it, but it sounds coyotes, wolfish.

I don't know. As far as the Bigfoot sounds, we've heard screech as like a lady. I hate to say that way, but it sounds like a lady not doing very good. Just a loud screech for about 25 seconds, which has startled us. We've heard that actually, we believe it around this area and once down in the Jifflis area. Around here, though, as far as anything, like the Bigfoot, like the Ohio sound or anything like that. Not too much. I haven't really heard too much of that type of sounds.

More of the lady screeched sound that was just straight. Yeah. Screaming. And I've known a mountain line that. That came pretty close to one. That's something I don't know. I don't know what that is. But it was loud and high pitch and it went on for about 25 seconds.

And that's, it's interesting. You know, I mean, who would say whether it's a big foot or not a big foot? I mean, we've been around all this minute. and, you know, researching this. And it falls in that realm where it's possible. And we were down, we were also listening, and there was no sound, nothing, no animals, nothing. Yeah, down in that area in Spring Valley, for two weeks,

there was no coyotes, no animal life, it was quiet. And it was strange because he has a dog, it looks like Lassie. And it stared one night at the forest for a good 10 minutes and we're not moved. And we were wondering, I go, so many dogs, I'd probably seen the Coon or something. This was this last September. And it was me, her, and my friend Adam, you know, his mom owns a property. And all of a sudden, the dog went back up to the farmhouse, which is a little ways away. So I said, I don't know what's all there. So we just dismissed it. But we were kind of, we were uneasy that we haven't heard in the wildlife. You know, it's been pretty dead for two weeks.

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I say, I don't hear the coyotes. They go off like alarm clock at 10 o'clock every night. And right, I always camp, even when I do the she squatch, one she squads way up north, we're on a half mile from Canadian border. I don't know why camp's right next to the bush. You guys stay there.

I'll go by arm. away and I'll be the idiot that camps right next to that bush by the game trail so I can see if I can get any action. So I put my tent up in this area where I do every year in that, in that where we clean it out right next to that, it's a ravine that goes straight down behind my tent. We ran onto the river. Yeah. And that night, about 8.30, we're going to sit around and having a beer and then we're

going to go out and do some research, come back about 10.30 and go back out for another. About 8.30, we're just like like a deep. kind of coming behind my tent. And I looked at him, and we had the radio kind of low so you can hear it. I mean, it's how I go, behind my tent. And I go, did you guys hear that? And then my friend Adam says, me, now, Ralph? I said, exactly.

And if I heard it too. So I got my light out, the red lights, and that's what we're supposed to use. And they can't see the light. So I shine it out there. I was nervous. I didn't get scared much, but I was nervous. And I started shining the light up, and I lit up the forest with that red light.

And I went real slow, combed it for about five minutes, and didn't see nothing. It's thick. I mean, something could have been hiding, but I didn't see nothing. So we just missed it and thought, eh, you know, who knows what that was. Just don't let it get to you.

Well, we took a walk up down, you know, the hill. There's a little bluff that goes up, and then we went down the ways, listening with our parabolic area and did some night vision surveillance and didn't really get too much just quiet. So we came back up, sat around the fire, about

10.30 at night. Then a half hour, we heard the same growl again right behind my tent. Oh, wow. And I freaked us out, I go, what the heck is that? You know, I don't know if you're... I didn't go look this time. I thought, let's see if it does anything else but I just don't go over there. Nothing. So we went ahead and did some more research for about probably we turned in about one and then came back to the campsite.

And then we said, oh, let's, you know, pop some beers and hang out. We'll just sit here and monitor everything and let our cameras do its work. So we were enjoying the night. But two in the morning, the same growl again. Oh, man. Same plates. So that's when I got uneasy. And I did turn on a regular flashlight and try to beam that.

whole area up and I didn't see nothing. And then we went to bed pretty late. We were up just listening, almost till down about 4.30 before we turned in. Nothing. And nothing ever since, nothing after so far. So that's strange, very strange. I don't know what the growl was. It was a deep guttural growl.

It didn't sound like something I'm used to have in the forest. Yeah, exactly. You know, I've gotten some interesting reports of, or, along with Bigfoot from the northeast Iowa area. Is that anything you've ever run into in your research, any orb interactions or things of that nature? I haven't, we haven't seen the orbs as far as mixed in with the Bigfoot. But back in the late 70s in California,

I've seen two orbs that floated around in the area where we farmed. and I guess there was an old generator back in the 1900s they used to irrigate and, you know, there was a pump, no pump. And I guess the farmer and his son actually got electrocuted there. They're kind of work on and they both, I guess, once I grabbed the other one, they both got electrocuted there and it passed on. So I'm thinking maybe that was why we've seen them two lights. The only other thing is when we were out at the Spring Valley area one night,

we've seen some lights and there was low clouds. kind of overcast. And we've seen these little lights out by the clouds kind of doing this, if I can do it. Kind of like a circle a little bit and going out and coming back together. And they look like almost like a spotlight in the cloud, but there's nothing, there's no Kmart or anything. I mean, no Walmart or anything. To me, I thought maybe it was like it got some kind of cell going on somewhere, but

there's nothing there. No, right. So that was odd. So we went down walking about halfway the creek. and again I was a little spooked that night. And I was trying to film it, but my galaxy didn't really pick it up. And I do got some kick-button night vision, color night vision psionics that I could probably pick it up with. But didn't have it on me.

By the time I went to go back to get it, so I watched it for about a minute. Time went back, they had disappeared. So I don't know what that was. And I don't have no clue what it was unless someone on a ranch had bought a bunch of lights and were shining up in the sky. Right. I don't know. I couldn't tell you. But it's a strange place and it's getting stranger and stranger.

The more we get out to research. It's not Bigfoot, but in the area that we've been talking about, have you gotten any reports, any Dogman reports at all or anything that's not Bigfoot up there? In Spring Valley, where we're usually at a lot, no, not. just one that Chad Lewis wrote about there was a lady that said she had seen a black panther, like I call it a Cougar. You guys call them Cougar, I call Mountainlands.

She had seen something like that around there. She said, it looked too big to be a cat. But, yeah, there was a down the road from me where Rice Lake State Park is, and if you're looking on the map, you'll see it. Like I said, I do sell the marketing. And there was a guy that did not believe in Bigfoot, does not believe in UFOs, not believing any of this.

It's all garbage to him. And he was a young kid. He managed a produce section down there in the Oatown store. I won't name no names. But he had, came up to me one day and said, and his grandma, there was just about four miles from where we live now.

She had a little 100-acre farm past the Rice Lake State Park. And it was a year when the corner was up. And he had told me he goes, John, can you come here for a minute? I go, yeah, what's up? I don't mean me need help with something. You know, I'm in the store. I'll help you if you need something. And he goes, what do you call them things that look like a wolf that stand on two legs and walk like a human?

And go, do you mean a dog man? He goes, I guess. He goes, I need to talk to you about that. So we went over in the back, you know, the store there by the loading dock. And he goes, I want to tell you a story that happened to me last night. And I said, okay. And I'm getting excited, you know what? Because I already know it's got to be something.

And he told me that he was. driving home about 10 at night, 9.30 10 night, and his grandma was about a half mile out of right at St. State Park north. And the corner was still up, you know, it was still tall. I don't know, eight,

eight nights and tall however the corn gets. I know we got it right in my backyard all the time. And he said, as he was coming, drive down the road, before he got to the edge of about a mile before he got the stop sign, this wolf-like,

he thought it was a wolf, but it looked like a wolfed him, but it came across the road, but it wasn't on all fours. It was running on two legs, and it was tall. I told him how tall was, he goes, six and a half, seven foot tall. I go, you're kidding me. And he goes, they had red glowing eyes and a long snout with teeth. As I went down my headlights, it snarled at me. And I go, what did you do?

Because I was in shock. And it went down to the little drainage ditch, came up by the corn, and it was almost tall as a corn. and it had nice range, long, dangling, like it looked like it had claws on it because the guy had a pretty good look at it. And it turned around and looked at me and just snarled. And I go, what did you do? He goes, I got the heck out of there.

That's what I did. I stepped on the gas guy out of it. I didn't want nothing to do with it. And this is the guy that did not believe, he was about 30 years old, did not believe, joked in all my big foot stuff whenever I told him about it and all my God. Just a non-believer, but he is now.

And he told me that it just snarled at him. It looked like it didn't. It was ticked off for some reason. But he said it was standing up the whole time, kind of hunched over. It looked very mussely, you know, muscled up, and it had the legs bent kind of like a dogwood. But he had long, long arms, he said, with claws. It looked like nails coming up.

But the snout was very long, and he had teeth. And the red eyes, it was almost like they were illuminated. So I said, back sometimes having a beer by the field and it's only about 12 foot from my fence. So every time I go out back now, he told me this about seven years ago, I bought this house in 2005. I do a garden. I got a garden.

I would put a garden out back by the field, but the corn is pretty high when they don't have the soybeans and I always have that in back of my mind. And we have had deer pop up sometimes, a coyote run by. It's a little rural town, but that's always in back of my mind to this. And I'm sure if you lived in this area and you've lived in this area. You heard that you, you know, sitting out back in a big swing and a nice night. It makes you think. Oh, yeah, definitely.

Dogman is, you know, Bigfoot. Bigfoot is my main thing. It's cool. I don't get freaked out about Bigfoot. But like Dogman, that's something I kind of get freaked out because it's, for some reason, it's harder for me to explain a way. And it's just, you don't hear too many nice dog man stories. They're usually not having a good day.

No, they seem like they're a whole different group. I get you just saying, though, as far as the Sasquatch, you know, they're, yeah, I would, I mean, even though the one I've seen, it freaked me out. But I would rather, I would rather see a dog, I mean, a Bigfoot than I would have dog man. That dog man just, it doesn't seem like any encounter that you ever hear about. They're not very nice. They're very aggressive. And for what reasons? I don't know, but if there's one running around back here, yeah.

I'll keep my eye out because I'm not too far from the cornfield. I got 12 feet separate my garden and the cornfield. Right. And that area is only four miles away. Oh, wow. You know, John, going off of all the information that you have from all the years that you've been looking into Bigfoot, But let's say if you were to, you could go to anywhere in the U.S., where do you think you have the best chance of having a solid visual of a Bigfoot just based on what you've known from your research from over the years? you know that's really tough because my mind's opened up a lot more even we went down to the Ozarks we did a little looking around there and uh on that little snake that was chasing me that probably was poisonous uh i didn't you know the Ozark Howler uh the swamps in Florida um that that that'd be hard but you know my horse still got to say northern California up in that area Washington Oregon Northern California that

whole area there that just seems to be a mega of reports there. And, I mean, it's nothing like here. It's totally different. You've got redwoods. I mean, the Sequoia is down south. I mean, it's perfect. You know, you get Shasta. You got this year.

I mean, you've got so much areas where they can be. And there's places out there. We fly over all time. I mean, when you come over from into California, You look at all them woods that you pass over over the states. Having MG can make cooking difficult, but over the years, I found some really helpful tools and tips that I'm excited to share. Hi, I'm Alicia. I think cooking should always be fun, creative, and of course delicious.

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And with a second free membership for someone in your household, you'll receive AARP benefits for two. Go to AARP.org slash IHeart to join today. How much of that has never been touched by men? I'm sure you can go up to the Boundary Waters, we've been several times. We've researched at Rich Chabwean National Forest before, There's a lot of reports, but there's some vast areas where you can get lost, nobody ever find you ever see you again. I mean, but up in that area, the West Coast, I think that would probably be my go-to place if I ever wanted to send something. I think you can get solid evidence here.

But there's so many out there. I mean, I don't want to say that, you know, I want to say respectfully because there's so many places out here that you can research. I mean, I never thought in my wildest dreams that here in Southern Minnesota, Northern Iowa, lacrosse would have this many reports, but wow, was I wrong? It's all I got to say. You learn something every day. Absolutely. You know, I've been only really looking into this for about five years.

And it's just, it's so interesting, the more I find out about the driftless area from people like you. I just talked to a researcher, Bob Bar Height. he's a bigfoot guy and we're talking also kind about that area i've talked to uh another researcher her name is ontario richardson from eastern iowa and uh yeah i mean that whole driftless area there's there's so much to learn and um i i think in in our area that's probably where you have the best chance of uh definitely you know having a a citing or some sort of interaction um john this has been a really fun discussion. Very a ton of information.

Thank you. Would you mind spend in a few minutes talking about your organization, Midnight Squatchers, and anything you want to share about that or how people can contact you to share what they may have encountered up in your area? Sure, yeah. You can reach us at Midnice Squatchers 1 at gmail.com. It's all lowercase. you can go to our Facebook page. It's private.

Just send a request. We'll get you in there. And that's at the Midnight Squatchers, Facebook. We don't have, just look us up as Midnight Squatchers on Facebook. You can, we have a YouTube, I don't put a whole lot on it. I'm getting better. I got a ton of video. I say this to every podcast I go on.

But you can look at Mid Squatchers, YouTube channel too. We have that going. But I definitely want to get that more. videos put on there. They're just sitting on my phone, taking up space, but there's a lot of research we do. I've got research in California from 10 years ago that I need to go through and I find stuff on it. I'm like, I can't get this on there. I'm still learning. I know. I'm still learning. I got to get all these. It takes a lot of time to go through it. We just did a, we just did a paranormal. We went to another paranormal group up to Greenlawn Cemetery last

weekend and researched one of the second oldest graveyards did a little paranormal rescation in Minnesota and we got some great action I get I put that on there too but it's not bigfoot related so I don't put it on my side I'm trying to put on my Facebook page but yeah in the stuff that you've got from like 10 years ago you just put it up and you know let people watch it and maybe they'll find stuff in it you know right yeah I get and I need to do that you know but even when we went to research yet in 2018, and we had a tree pushed over. And I had a railroad car.

I was a Kia in that area where I researched. And we had went through there on the way back, this tree was pushed over blocking us. So it didn't look like it was old. Like it just fell over. But anyway, long story short, we got pebble and all that stuff. And I got a video.

They get bigger and bigger, too, that pebbles. But yeah, if they want to reach us, if people want to reach us to, again, it'll be midnight, mid-squatch, one at gmail.com you can look at midnight squatchers of Facebook and in our YouTube channel we do have and I will start

thanks to Jeremiah I will start posting a little more video I got a lot of years to put up there believe me I might just fly it well they're always wanting to look baby and also look forward to us next year we're going to try to get that what conference I don't know

the name of it yet but we're going to have something going next year for sure more likely in the June timeframe but we'll Yeah, we'll fine tune that. And definitely I'll let you know on that. Yeah, I'll be keeping an eye out for that because, I mean, that's less than four hours from where I'm at. So it's definitely doable.

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