Bigfoot Society - Bigfoot Roams All Over Northeast Oklahoma!

Episode Date: October 2, 2024

In an astonishing episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast, host Jeremiah Byron sits down with Mary from Oklahoma, who shares her lifelong experiences with Bigfoot. Growing up around Grand Lake, Mary recounts numerous encounters, including strange knocks, whooping sounds, and even sightings of Bigfoot and their footprints. She details an unforgettable moment when she saw three Bigfoots, including two smaller ones, across a ridge. Mary's stories dive deep into family lore, where even her devout Christian grandmother was aware of Bigfoot's presence. The episode also explores the cultural context, local folklore, and other supernatural encounters such as skinwalkers, paranormal activities, and even a strange creature dubbed the 'shadow man.' From eerie Indian drums to an old bootleg cabin turned Bigfoot nest, this episode is a treasure trove for Bigfoot enthusiasts and anyone fascinated by the unexplained.Share your Bigfoot encounter with me here: [e-mail] to call in and leave a voicemail of your encounters for the podcast - Check this out here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsociety(Use multiple voice mails if needed!)🔴 Subscribe to hear more Bigfoot encounters: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: [e-mail]

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beforehand, and it sounds like we'll definitely be getting into some interesting things. Feel free to take us back to when all this interesting stuff happened to you in your life. I think the first time I'd actually experienced anything Bigfoot-wise was when I was growing up on Grand Lake and I lived with my grandmother and we would pick cuckleberries

down the summertime and we would be out in the woods and we would hear strange knocks or just strange noises that didn't sound like normal wildlife noises and anytime we would hear them she'd be like okay we need to move to

this area or we need to start thinking about moving back out. And I would ask her why, and she'd be like, well, they don't like us being around. And that was what she left it out. And you're young, you don't ask questions. But you learned to listen for the knocks. And then at times you would hear the whooping. And during certain times of the year, there would be a lot of it, a lot of activity of the

whooping and knocks late at night, especially early summers. There was always seemed to be, would increase. And you could go out into the woods and you would see, you know, footprints sometimes. Or you'd see tree branches down where yesterday they had been just fine. You would see where the undergrowth was kind of pushed. I remember finding areas where the berries were just picked bare. but over in another area they were fine. And just there was all kinds of just, I want to say at that time I felt like it was weird,

but you just got used to it. You know, you learned to listen for the notch, learn to listen for whoops. If you heard any of that, you didn't, you know, stay in that area. You moved. And while I was young, the first time I actually saw one, my grandmother, myself, and her best friend, who was a devout Christian, never said bad words, didn't do anything wrong. You know, I didn't think she'd be the type to believe in a big foot. We were out on this one ridge.

It was really way back into the woods, I'd say two to three miles, almost to the lake. And we were standing there and we looked across the hauler, and I saw something up in the cave, cross from the holler and the bluff. And she was standing there beside me looking at the haller. that direction. I'm like, do you see what I see? Because I wasn't going to tell her she wasn't going to say I wasn't seeing. I knew what I would see him was there was a big foot standing there. And she goes, yeah, I think that's a big foot. And I was like, it is a big foot. And she goes, it's looking at us. I'm like, yeah. And she goes, we might need to, you know, move out of this

area where they can't see us because it was just staring at us. There was a bigger one. And then when we were moving backwards, we glanced back and there was two others, two small. smaller ones up in there. And we went to go find my grandmother, bring her over to show her, and they were gone. And at that point, my grandmother goes, we need to leave.

And as I got older, my grandmother said that she had been taught when she was little, that you just, if you hear them or see something of them, leave. Just go back to where you came. They won't bother you as long as you're not

messing with them or in the area where they're at. you would get used to see in like tree limbs that are too high up for a person to knock down or pull down. I would say pull because it didn't really look like they were knocked over. It looked like they were deliberately broken along paths. And it looked like they were along game paths where you would see the dears and stuff come through. I know the one thing I did notice was there's a huge spring down on Grand Lake. it's called the Great Spring. The Indians used it because it was a wonderful water source.

The water there is so pure and fresh tasting. It's amazing. But you could always see where they were around it. You could see the footprints of it. And footprints would go back up the hills. And you could, when you got down there, it's just a different feeling in that area. It's like you felt that they were watching to see what you

were going to do. But I was never really scared of them because it just wasn't something. It was just, oh, they're here. Pay attention for them. You know, they would get loud at night. You know, you could hear them during the knocks and the whoops really loud during the summertime. Fall and winter wasn't too bad, but summer was the main time we heard them.

and we'd see glimpses here there and yonder through the years you would just see like silhouettes of them the footprints that you saw over the years how long would you estimate those footprints to be goodness definitely bigger than size 13 okay wow some smaller there i had seen some through the years it would probably, I would say about a woman's size four or five, you know, like they were young. But the big ones were definitely over 13, you know, like a 12 to 13. My kids, my boys were 12s and they were definitely bigger than that. The area that we're talking about this Grand Lake area, what county is that? It's in Delaware County, Grand Lake of Cherokee's, the Atlanta, the, the,

lake was actually built. They call it Grand Lake of the Cherokees because it was actually built over the Cherokee Indian where they burial mounds are or used to be. They tried to get as many up and moved as they could, but they did miss some. And so they just come to refer to it as Grand Lake over the Cherokees. And then they shortened it through the years to Grand Lake of the Cherokee. That's why I was told by my grandmother, who was actually there when the lake was built. the original town is still under the water.

They just literally flooded it. Once they built out where they wanted the lake to go, they flooded over it. I'm assuming there's probably been a ton of Bigfoot sightings beside yours in that area as well. Yes. Yes. My sister-in-law experienced them through the years. My nephews have my cousins. If you go out into the woods hunting up there, you're going to hear them if you don't see.

them. Just last year there was a woman on Facebook. She's like, what in the world am I hearing? She goes, it sounds like weird Indian drums and we're all like, okay, that's just the big foot's knocking. You know, just leave it alone. They'll be fine. You're not going to die. It's okay.

Because she was freaking out about it. She thought something's really strange was going on. I think my grandmother said she first remember hearing about them as early as when some of her ancestors had settled in the area and they come off the trail of heroes

and she said it was just you know they've always been there she felt like I know the one thing I noticed and was weird to me was we had actually seen one time one year we went out and there was a cabin it used to be an old bootleg cabin.

Bootleggers would stay in it and do their little moonshine stills and stuff in there. Anyway, I was out there exploring one day and I thought, oh, I'm going to see what's in this thing. I go inside and there's a big nest in the building. Like they had actually discovered they could use the building as protection from the elements and they built a big nest in there. And it stunk so bad. oh my goodness did it stink. I remember coming out there thinking,

oh, that's where it's skunk. It was so bad because the smell is just, I don't even know how to describe it. It's just awful. And even today, where I live at now, if I am out and I smell that, I'm like, oh, okay, they're around here somewhere because once you smell it, you don't forget it.

What materials were, was the nest made out of? Um, brush leaves, mainly. I think there was a little bit of, uh, maybe pine stuff in it that was mostly brush and leaves. I would say about the size of a love seat and Diane and like width. Yeah. Yeah. It was decent sized. It was a decent sized thing.

I thought it was cool, but once I told my grandma, She's like, nope, you're staying out there. You're out of there. So this is a weird one, but did you get close enough to see what specific type of brush was used in the nest? To me, it looked like young oak saplings. Okay. Brush, because up in that area is mainly the brush would be oak or walnut about that material. that's mainly what's out there

is oak and walnut trees some elm but not much but that's what it looked like it was and then like I said the pine there was pine needles and they might took some pine limbs off so that is that's very very interesting

especially the part where it's inside see that's what through me was because before then I had seen you know where you could tell where they had knocked trees over to kind of make a protection. And I know that they have been in the caves from seeing the one in the cave, obviously, but also the Great Spring has a cave behind it. And it was common knowledge that something large lived in there and you didn't go in there.

And so we're like, okay, what would be in there that's large? And I asked one of my cousins, I'm like, well, is it the Panther? and he goes, no, it's not the panther. Like, oh, okay. And I left at that because I knew what he was talking about, it's not the panther. The legend was that people would see a large creature then and in that area of the cave.

Yes. Yes. Yep, they would see it in the cave. I think, I don't know who, but there was a story that I heard from my dad that some kids went down in there and came hauling butt out and never went back. Oh, wow.

So I'm like, I didn't try it myself because I can't swim. So I was not, and to get to the cave, you have to go through the water. And obviously I wasn't going to do that if I can't swim because it's a very deep spring. Oh. It's a natural spring. Yes. So I get it now. So in order, this is a cave behind the waterfall, you had to swim through the waterfall.

Oh, no, there's no waterfall. Oh, okay. It's a big spring about the size, oh, goodness, of a 30 by 30 house. He's how it's big around. I mean, it's a huge spring. And it fed into Grand Lake and behind it was the cave. And you'd have to go through the spring to get up into the cave. Okay.

That's wild. When you had the sighting, were you close enough that you were able to notice any details about what you saw? I could just tell that one of them was tall, you know, very tall and then two smaller ones. I could tell that they did have the long hair. It looked like reddish brown to me. But I was a holler away from them. I couldn't tell close-up features.

But you could tell what they were because it was daytime. It was like maybe we went out at six. It got out there about 7.30. It was probably, And it was mid-morning. This was probably about 10 or 11 when we saw them. Because I remember after that, she's like, we're coming home. And it's a long walk back out.

And it's on an old wagon trail. Have there ever been any reports in that area of aggressive encounters? I've heard of some. But I don't know if it was actual... I don't think they were physical, but they were scared. I know I've heard of hunters coming out just scared to death of something they've heard or seen in there, but they won't talk about it. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. Plan B made over-the-counter emergency contraception legal more than 20 years ago.

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would come haul and out for no apparent reason. You can tell when they're around too because you don't hear

as much wildlife. It's like the wildlife stays more quiet. Does anyone ever I know. Or any, like, weird communication or hearing any, like, language-type stuff or anything I got in the area?

I hadn't heard anything. I don't know if anyone else has on that. They've never really said. I know most of what we heard was always just the whoops and the knocks. Now, you could hear some knocks. You'd hear, like, a series of knocks followed by whoops. and then they'd knock again. And you could tell they were coming from different areas.

You know, you could tell, if you stand out there and listen, you could tell, like, if one's to the right of you, and then from the left, they would respond. Okay. So you had situations where you were having multiple talking to, or something communicating through knock patterns all around you. Yes. Oh, boy.

Yes. Yeah. That's common, especially in the early, evenings. I was always out in the woods. They're definitely up there. They travel through this area regularly. I know today they still have people hearing them and seeing them. And just so listeners know what we're looking at here. So we're in the northeast corner of Oklahoma here, which is over by the Ozarks, right? Yeah, there's areas where it's very heavily wooded. Not a lot of people. There's cave. you know, caves that go distances in there. I know it's closed up now, but there used to be a cave that did run from what is now grove

and come out on the south side of grove up on a hill. And you can actually, when the water goes down, you can see the one cave entrance. Wow. But the other side is now under a parking lot. So I know the caves run through. and that could be one way where they're getting from one area to the other, is through the caves. And I know there's caves in there and people have not been in because they're up on hill sides or they're just too far to get to very easily. There's a question I want to ask you, mainly for just my own curiosity, because of the geography of the area that this is.

A factor I've seen come up in different areas that are like yours. are there also reports of other things besides Bigfoot that would also be considered similar creatures in that same area? There's skeeleys. What's that? A skeeley is like a little, they call them little people. Okay. But there's little creatures. You'll hear them, see them occasionally.

there is definitely a lot of paranormal activity ghostwise. That's just something else you get used to seeing and hearing. That's just part of it. There's Panthers up in there. There's Black Panthers. There's. I personally haven't seen any aliens up in there, but, you know, I've heard a couple of people say, swear they've seen them.

I do know, you know, you see weird bites occasionally. So just something that's unexplained. Those are all things that I was not expecting to just come up. That's pretty intense. I grew up around there, so I'm used to, you know, I'm used to. I live in a haunted house. I'm used to it. Okay.

What was it like growing up in an area where there's everything from little people to ghosts to Black Panthers, aliens, Bigfoot? For me, it was normal. Okay. For me, it was absolutely normal because I was just raised up that it's part of what's up there. You know, it's just around you, accept it, and they won't mess with you if you don't mess with them. You know, if you don't show no aggression towards them or, you know, and you acknowledge they're there, then you're fine. You know, that's just the way my grandmother taught me.

And so I've always had the acceptance of it. So it's not like I moved in. I'm like, oh, no, what am I dealing with? I always knew what I was dealing with. And so it never bothered me. I mean, I ran free all over those woods. And I was a kid growing up in the 80s. And I was all over the place up in there.

Never fazed me a bit to be out in the middle of nowhere by myself with them. Even today, you know, you just accept it and deal with it and go on. Did you ever have any interactions with the Skeeles that you know of? No. No. Thankfully, they chose to leave me alone because they're a tedious little things. But my cousins have told stories about them, you know, stealing their stuff and putting out in different spots or terrorizing them. But thankfully, they chose to leave me alone.

I think it's just because I'm like, whatever. Right. Is this another name for the Faye, do you think? Have you ever heard that term? I think so. Yeah. I believe so. believe so, because Skeely is an Indian term from what I've understood, and so it very well could

be to me. That's a makes perfect sense. Okay. So you mentioned you have, you've lived with in a haunted house, which is, I'm sure you have all sorts of weird stories to do with that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I've got, well, I've lived in a haunted house growing up. For the years, we've lived on the one where now is currently haunted. So, you know, it's fun. When I was growing up, where we lived at was on the old wagon trail. It was on the actual settlers trail. My family farm was one of the first farms actually put as a farm when Indians got land.

And there was numerous areas where you could have cold spots or you'd see just a white figure. there was an old cabin that was it had to have had something to do with cowboys or something because when it's rainy nights and thunderstorm and if you stand outside to where the cabin used to be you can hear the bottles clanking and you can hear it sounds like they're playing cards and you can't hear what they're saying but you hear the chatter the little mummer You can't make up what they're saying, but you can hear them. And then also in that same area, and this is all in the same area where you have the sightings and stuff, there's an Indian. You'll see an Indian, he's got a headdress on and he's tall, very solemn looking.

But we call him the guardian because he'll watch you while you're out in the woods. And you'll see him ever so often. And it's just like he's there making sure you get in and out of the woods. Okay. He just said, so watch us. So we just call him the guardian. That's what my cousins and I grew up calling him. And you've seen that yourself personally? Yes. How tall would you say that is? About six foot.

Yeah. Five eight to six foot. Very tall, very solemn, weathered face. You know, even though it was, you know, obviously white, you could still see the weathering. You could still tell he was very old. When you say that there are reports of aliens in this area, are you saying more like UFO encounters or there's actually like aliens being seen? Well, the two guys I went to high school with swear they saw UFO. They swear to goodness they saw UFO. Whether they did or not, I don't know. But they were definitely serious about it.

And from where I grew up, it would have been about it. halfway going into grove up in another really wooded area which that area itself is kind of crazy. It's got weird activity. There's a cemetery up there that has the grave of Stan Waity from the Cherokees and it's said that if you go to his grave

at night and you listen you can hear a fiddle being played. I'm not going to have to be. hear it, but I've had friends that's told me they've heard it. And there's just some very weird stuff over in that area as well. I can only imagine there's got to be. Are there situations where these different players have been seen in the same location, like skeeely activity with aliens? Do they cross over or are they usually separate? I don't know on that part, but I do know that if you go out in the area where the Bigfoot's a real general. were at when I was younger, you would definitely have some other activity. Well, Skila-wise or just other weird, I can't really describe it as anything but weird because you'd feel a odd sensation that wasn't from the Bigfoot, but you couldn't quite

place it at times. The funny thing is when you started talking about whatever you just said, the phone did some really weird stuff like someone was trying to mess around with the phone. do you mind repeating that what they would do? Like the skeleys will... Okay, well, from what my cousin said, they'll either pull pranks on you or they will terrorize you, like, pick on you,

like peck on your shoulder, but no one's there, or they take your stuff and move it from one spot to another. Especially if you were outside, doing something outside, you'd have a tool beside you, you'd turn around look and it's gone. And then it'd be way over in another spot. that happened to my cousins a lot. I was very thankful they left me alone.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I'm sure that stuff like this that was happening to your cousins out there, that would probably follow them home, I'm guessing. Yes. Yeah. Yes, sometimes I do know that there was one time where one summer, there was a weird big foot coming through. Okay.

And I say weird because this one would actually come up and like staring your windows. and rattled doors. And it terrorized my nephew's something awful an entire summer to the point where they would sleep in the hallway with their bedroom doors shut, refusing to go in the rooms after dark. It was so bad. And they lived just down the road from me. We found handprints. That would have been in 94. Okay.

Yeah, because I was pregnant with my first one. So, yeah, 94, 95, somewhere right in that area. Oh, wow. And you were saying the handprints were being found around the houses as well? Yes. Yes, we found handprints on the window a couple of times. And then our neighbors, the neighbor next to them, had been hearing weird stuff at night and her dogs were scared to go out.

They wouldn't even leave the yard. And usually them things ran all over hell in creation. Cowls would be clustered more than normal. So it was definitely weird that year. And that's why we just thought it was a weird one. You know, he was more aggressive than others. But he never actually, you know, hurt anyone, but he was sure terrorizing people. The one I wanted to ask you about specifically, were there ever any reports of dogman in that area?

I don't remember any dog man. I do know I could never get her to describe it but my daughter was terrorized by what she called the Shadow Man and we spent and this was something common again that different kids in the area once we got to ask it around

had experienced this thing just terrorizing them and it was it would scare them to the point they would not leave their parents side. I mean, we spent six months with her right next to us inside and out because she swore it could get her. But she would never describe it to us. And none of the other kids had seen it would describe it to us as well. So we don't know for sure what that was. But you could feel when you could feel when it was around because it felt it literally felt evil. It felt like it was the worst thing. And you would get really

bad, like something bad's going to happen, feelings. That's why we thought of it is evil. So they wouldn't say what it was like? They wouldn't give us a description. Okay. They wouldn't tell us anything. Wow. Yeah. And the only time any of us ever saw it was we caught a glimpse once, my cousin and I, because we had raced home, a bunch of the teenagers had been home alone, and they'd seen it in a break, they called us, and we got there, and you could see something, with red eyes. But that's all we could tell was the red eyes.

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weird The eyes were definitely weird. Wow. There's some really strange things going on in this Delaware County area. Yes, Delaware County definitely has activity all over in this area of Oklahoma. It really does. Mace County, where I'm at now, is definitely weird and unusual stuff as well. I mean, I've had a Bigfoot siting down here.

This was where my husband actually saw his first Bigfoot. There's a story of from back in the 50s that the Army Corps of Engineers actually had a fight with Bigfoot's before they built one of the dams down here. Really? Yeah. You'd have to give me a couple of days to find my information on that, but I've got some information on it that that I have saved from what a friend sent me about. it. The story is that they told them, forced them to move, and if they didn't move, then they were going to be killed. And they flooded the area. And now that Spavanaugh dam is there now. You know, you've got all the time you need, because I've never heard of that one. That sounds

really interesting. Well, I'll definitely get, I'll definitely get the information together for you. Because that's one of those ones. I'm like, ooh, I want to, you know, dig into that myself, but there's all kinds activity. As I said, there's an option over here on Highway 412, and my husband and I were there late one evening, and all of a sudden he comes running up to our vehicle. He's like, get the kids loaded, let's get out of here, let's get out of here. I'm like, why? What's going on? I noticed the cows were moving, but I have been distracted with kids, so I didn't pay much attention. Well, I glanced. step when he said that and he goes about the time he's telling me I'm seeing there's a you know familiar

silhouette walking across the field he goes I just saw something literally crossed that creek in one step he I was like you may have stepped once into the creek he goes no he goes it stood on one side and stepped across two together we're getting out of here and I'm like oh you just saw a big book that's not because that's right there and we had to leave immediately And up to that point, he had never believed in it. But after that, he's like, okay, yep, I'm a believer. I'm a believer. Oh, yeah, definitely.

Definitely. That's the same county area as Delaware? No, it's a county over. Okay. Yeah, it's just they're connecting counties. Very, very interesting. If you don't mind me asking, do you have any Native American heritage yourself? Yes, I do.

I have Cherokee, Delaware, and Pottawatomie Indian. Okay. Awesome. Wow. Um, it's just, I can almost, you know, when I, when I do interviews like this, I can almost bank on the person definitely has, um, some, some heritage. I mean, it's like every single time. It's, it's, it's incredible. Uh, I don't know quite what it is, but there's definitely a connection there, I think. I, uh, I think it's because, you know, with us having that background, if you're raised up in it, like I was, I was. I was. I was taught the old ways and whatnot, that you're more accepting of it and you're more open to it. So it doesn't bother you as much.

Oh, I agree. I think once you know what to look for, you're going to start to see stuff for sure. Oh, yes. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I tell my kids when they're out in the woods, I'm like, okay, keep an eye out. You know, if you hear this or you smell this, you need to be watching. and just leave them alone.

The interview, you kind of turned into something I wasn't expecting. I mean, there's a lot more going on in this area. So we got a little bit distracted, but I think is definitely worth

having the conversation. Are there also other times that you've had what you think are Bigfoot interactions in your life? Yes. We were,

let's see, we had, what year would have been, around 2000, 2000, 2001, somewhere right in that area. I can't remember exactly how old my third child was at that time.

We lived up on Coffeyville. I actually lived in South Coffeyville on the Illinois River on a ranch. And we would go through the hayfield through this really thick area of trees to go down to a river, which was actually the Illinois River for the kids to swim and whatnot. And you would feel like they're just there watching you. and a couple of times it made my husband so uncomfortable he actually said we're leaving now because of how intense the feeling felt but one night we were out there there was a very bad storm coming in we had 1500 bales hay on the ground and so I was helping my husband

hauled up hey in and my son goes mom what's over there in the woods and I look and you could see the outline of the of the Bigfoot and the edge of the woods. They were in enough where you couldn't see all of them, but you could tell they were there and you could see its eyes. And they're just watching. And when you get closer to that area, it would like step closer to where it's going to come out into the headlights,

but not quite. And so I made a couple of rounds getting haybells. My son kept getting uneasy. So I pulled over and my husband's like, what's going on? I showed him and he goes, okay, he goes, I'll do that area. You just, you know, stay up this way because we didn't want to, you know, scare my son. He was like three at the time. And I was back up this way.

And then pretty soon he's coming over. He goes, nope, forget it. And I'm like, why? And he goes, well, I just got a rock throw it at me. And I'm like, okay, they threw a rock. And he goes, no, I've got a rock throw it at me. and he held it up and it was a decent size little, little boulder. And it was like they were warning him to stay out of that area.

So he actually did not get the hay in that area. He left it. And I was like, well, I guess they just don't want you over there. And he goes, I guess not. And we left it and went home. And then we went back out the next day. And all you could see because of how bad the storm was, well, you could tell something to have been standing there,

but you couldn't tell any real footprints or anything. but you could tell where it was sunk in from something standing. That's the only time I'd ever had anything that was, it wasn't even toward me, it was towards him. And I think that he might just got too close for their comfort. And so they chunked the rock at him. I told him, I was like, well, I told you. There's Bigfoot around here.

Just got to watch them. And was that before or after his sighting? After. After. If you're in South Coffee, Bill, you're about, 15 minutes from the border. Because once you get into coffee bills, when you hit the border, and it takes about 10, 15 minutes to get up in there.

But there's also, if you get into looking to sightings, there's a lot of sightings up in that area because the rivers one of the best places for them to catch the fish. The Illinois has got some of the best fishing there is. Okay, Illinois, Illinois River. Gotcha. So a lot of sightings along that. Interesting.

I will have to look into that for sure. I don't hear a lot from, I'm sure there is, but I've never gotten a lot from that area of Kansas or. Well, most people don't talk about it. That's the other thing is you're taught not to talk about it because people think you're crazy. Yeah, like I was taught from an early age, don't go to school talking about any of this because people are going to think you're crazy. You know, if something weird happens, just pass it off. Don't go, oh, well, that's a ghost. Oh, that was weird.

You're taught not to talk of it. So it's just something you're used to. You go out looking for it, me personally. Any chance I get, I'm going to go hunt. I'm going to go look, see if I can mind me, it goes, or see if I can do something. But most people, they're taught not to acknowledge it. Yeah, my husband was. Growing up or over your lifetime, do you ever remember anyone saying,

hey, I've got a photo, a big photo, I got a video from a big foot. I mean, they probably wouldn't have said anything anyways, to be honest. That's what it sounds like. Unfortunately not. I know my cousin tried one summer. Oh, yeah. He was dead set on getting one. But he even put trocams up and everything, but all he got was a bunch of blur and a lot of deer.

So I was like, well, you know, you're just not in the right spot, I guess. He goes, no, I'm near that, I'm crossed from that cave where you sit. And I was like, well, I don't know. I guess they don't like you. You know? It was just harassing. because he was very determined to get a picture, but he never could. Because we had come back and I told him what we'd seen.

And so he was like, I'm going to see if I can find it. But he was never able to. I know he had some sightings for the years, but photograph-wise, unfortunately, never got to get one. Gotcha. And growing up in that area, was there ever, was there a person where everyone would be like, oh, you'd saw Bigfoot go talk to this guy? he's kind of the guy who's into it around here. No.

No, it was all you kept quiet about it. Ah, gotcha. Okay. Yeah, but it was old-timers up in that area, and it was people that had grown up in that area. So it was just, you know, it was common knowledge. You know, it was just common knowledge that they were there. I have families still live up there.

I know that they still hear stuff. They still see stuff. I definitely know down in the area where I grew up at, there is people having, you know, hearing the knocks and the whoops and stuff like that. It's not an area. A lot of people talk. I think everyone's too distracted by southeast Oklahoma, you know? Yes. Yes.

Yes. And, you know, if you follow the river, the Illinois comes right up. And then the Grand is up here. and the Grand River and it all flows right up, well, actually flows down from all of the lakes because Grand Lake of the Cherokees flows down into Lake Oon, Lake Oon, they're all just connected and everything flows down through the rivers. So it's not very hard to think. If you track it, they can walk, you know, and go from one area to the other.

during the different times of the year for food or where the fish are at, you know, where the game's at, you know, it would make sense. You know, like a natural migration. Absolutely. The longer I talk to people about this, I find that one of the common factors is there's usually it's by a river and you just follow the reports up and down. For example, I'm from Iowa. You can just follow the reports up and down the Des Moines River through southeast Iowa. It's incredible. It sounds like it's a very similar thing down there. Yes, it is. Because if you look at the geography of the area and then you look at the sightings, there's not a lot of sightings out in the western parts of Oklahoma, because there's not as much river. There's not as much

woods, but over in the southeast corner all the way up to the northeast corner, That's all we are is river and woods and creeks and lakes. And it's the perfect area for them because there's also lots of caves. Dripping Spring State Parks over here, and that is a huge state park that has, you know, natural waterfalls, caves, all kinds of stuff. Yeah, it's the perfect area for them to be. Did anyone ever see anything that looked like a like a tall, pale, skinny, like creature, just really kind of weird, kind of like if you remember the Lord of the Rings movies, like you had Gallum? I've never actually watched The Lord of the Rings.

Oh, okay, sorry. I think the strangest creature we've seen around here would be a skinwalker. Okay, so that could be similar depending on what your definition is. So what would be your definition of that? Well, we've traditionally around here, we've got two types from what we call skim walkers, or I personally. We have a gentleman in Tallahcloth, or lives kind around Tadalclaw that he's said to turn into a bear. And then we have those one that, to me, it's creepy. It's like the top half looks kind of human with antlers and a very creepy face, but the bottom half is like more animal.

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oh, well, it must be a scam walker and pass it off because it probably is something to do with that or something. I've never heard of that before, especially the deer antlers. Is it usually called, labeled as a female or male?

Usually male. Okay. What I'd heard. And like I said, I've now personally seen it. I've just heard the stories of it. One of my friends, she is a full-blood Cherokee Indian, and she lives out near Kenwood, which is, Kimwood is pretty much, if you're not Indian, you stay out. That area.

Why would you do that? And she, well, they don't like. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And if they don't like you, you're not going in there.

And anyway, she was always told never walk home after dark. Well, she was, and if you walk home after dark, if you hear something behind you, do not turn around. Well, she was walking home after dark. She heard something behind her. Well, she's smart. She didn't turn around. but she held her camera up and took a selfie over her shoulder to try to catch what it was she described it as a demon it's pale white walking on all fours red eyes scurrying after her she made that mile walk in four minutes she was done she was i don't remember how i got home and i'm like well now they know why they told us not to be out of that dark and it was just in that one area up in there because they said it was really haunted.

And it was evil and this and that's what you heard growing up. And then she took this picture. Unfortunately, the phone got broke, so she didn't get to get the picture off. But it looked like a pale white creature on all fours, like it was scurrying. Yeah, that's what I was asking about right there. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Okay.

Well, see, I didn't know what they were called. We just called, we was told it was a demon. We really didn't know what it was, but that's what they, her mom had called it. Oh, wow. And so that's Kenwood, Oklahoma. Yeah, up around the Kenwood Rose area. And that's about, from where I live now, about 20 minutes. That's an unincorporated community, it looks like?

Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, you don't like breaking down out there. That is, man, that kind of thing makes me want to look into it, but I don't know how far I want to look into it. People there probably not want to talk at all, I would guess. No.

No. Unless they reach out, which they're more than welcome to. But, yeah, you don't go knocking on doors around there. No. Not in that area. No, no, definitely not. It's been some fun talking to. It's a fascinating area of Oklahoma.

Definitely looking more into this. Oh, absolutely. Get in touch with me anytime. I'm more than happy to go out and help you hunt. Absolutely. And if you ever run into any other information, if you're able to pull up what you have about. I will definitely find that and send it to you.

Because to me, it's what I'm. I found fascinating about it was I remember because when she first gave it to me, I went looking and you can't find anything about it. Like, it's, they don't want you to know about it. And so I was like, hmm, I'm going to go to the historical societies and I'm going to try to pull, you know, more information in that route. Oh, that's where you found it. Was the historical society? Well, she found it there. She did.

Oh, wow. And she sent it to me. And so I'm going to go back and try because I have to go to the historical society for a grave I'm trying to find. So it won't be a very hard thing for me to look into and try to find more information. If I can't get that route, then I know there's still some old timers alive from that time that might talk to me. Because I've learned here in Oklahoma anyways, once these old timers get this search. age, they don't care what they tell. Oh, yeah, it's great. It is so good.

That is a lesson I've learned myself. You need to figure out where they're at and become friends with them, like buy them coffee or something. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's what I've learned. And I'm like, oh, I'm loving this because I can find out so much more information from them than I can't in a historical society half the time. Absolutely. And that's actually what I'm relying on to find. this grave I'm looking for is to try to track down some old timers that were alive when this

incident or not when it happened, but they would have been little kids and their parents might talk about it and try to locate it. And I'm like, ooh, I love these old timers, man, you give them a cup coffee, you're there for three hours learning stuff. No, absolutely. The same is with older librarians in a town. Yes. And historical societies. I've had luck with them as well. Oh, yes.

Absolutely. Absolutely. Now while I'm thinking about it, there is an up in Uchi, there is a cemetery, and there has been sightings of Bigfoot walking behind the cemetery. And I know they're fairly recent. Where is this? Up in Uchi. Which is, yeah, it's on this, if you are south of Grove on highway 20. Yeah, you take 59 down into J and then from Jay, you go like you're going down 59 to Talakawa, but you turn on to 20 and you go into Uchi.

And when you're going into Uchi, there's a huge cemetery on the left-hand side. and there has been as recent as last year, I know for sure, sightings of Bigfoot behind that cemetery are walking through the back edge of that cemetery. I'm going to definitely look into that. So as late as last year, you're saying there's been reports in that day. Yes. That's cool. Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. I've talked to people that's had, you know, they live up in that area and they're like, man, we see them all the time. You know, we hear this all the time. Wow. Mary, thank you so much for spending an hour of your time with me and just sharing some of really, really interesting things of what's going on in this area you're familiar with. And hopefully if people are listening to this and they know of things going on around Uchi and the cemetery and all this, man, there's even a place called Monkey Island near this. How crazy is that? Yeah. So Monkey Island got its name because a circus was coming through, a monkey's actually got loose.

Okay, cool. They captured them. But, yeah. All right. Yeah, this whole area is, I mean, you ever come down here, you'll have fun. Yeah, it's as crazy as there's another lake. It's down by Texas. The lake, what's called?

Lake Texoma has a lot of weird stuff like you guys. Oh, yeah. I drove over that one. That's some cool, cool areas down there. Yeah, fun stuff down there. They both look like dragons. That's weird when you look. Anyways.

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