Bigfoot Society - California Cliff Whispers: Bigfoot Voices in the Dark

Episode Date: September 6, 2025

What happens when one man’s childhood curiosity turns into a lifetime of terrifying encounters across California, Oregon, and beyond? In this gripping episode, we sit down with Mike — a witness whose experiences range from a shadowy figure sprinting past an abandoned UCLA camp in Lake Arrowhead… to a midnight chase through the desert tunnels of Lake Havasu… to family members hearing strange voices all night at Big Sur’s Pfeiffer Beach.You’ll hear stories of trucks lifted five feet off the ground in the Minnesota forests, a Tahoe driver struck by something massive in a snowstorm, and eerie footsteps circling a VW bus on a rainy night near Arcata. From Cougar Falls in Oregon to the haunted woods of Mount Shasta, Mike’s accounts pull us deeper into the mystery of what’s lurking just out of sight.This isn’t a secondhand legend — it’s a raw, emotional journey through decades of Bigfoot encounters that will leave you questioning how close you may have already come.🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to [e-mail] – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn MoreLMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNTOrganic and non-GMO groceries delivered for lesshttp://thrv.me/uarEhS🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072📧 Business Inquiries:[e-mail]

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In this show we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first-hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways, the stories come from everywhere. And each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. So settle in because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way. you see the woods forever. So stay with us. All right, Bigfoot Society.

You've got the privilege of talking to Mike today. Mike is an individual I got connected to about some things. He's wanting to share and his own encounter that happened in California. So welcome to the show today. Mike, how are you doing, sir? I'm doing well. Thank you. How are you doing?

Doing great. It is always great to talk to people about their Bigfoot encounters, but also, I mean, there's just something. about this area. It's a magical area, especially with Bigfoot interactions, as you probably know, being involved with it. But, you know, Mike, I want to make sure that we're able to have the time for you to share the different encounters that you'll be sharing today. So, you know, feel free to take us back to when you had this experience and what was happening at that time. The first encounter I had was in Southern California. I grew up in high school. I grew up in high

school, I will say Riverside, California. And about 17 years old, a couple of friends and I had ditched school and wanted to go up in the mountains and just explore and going to hike and such. And it was 1987. And it was in the Lake Arrowhead region. I don't know if you know or familiar with that region, something in the mountains. And we went up there and we were just driving around. My friend was driving. And he just pulled over on a, you know, a turnout.

And we got out of the car and just started walking around. We found a trail. And all of a sudden it was right kind of right there. There was a UCLA cabin, like UCLA camp sign. and there were all these cabins that were like log cabins that were vacant. It was in October, late October, so it was cold, and there was no one around at all. And so we just started walking down a trail, and my buddies were pranksters, so they took off. And the next thing I know, I'm alone, they took off from each other.

And so I just kept walking around this camp. And it was probably like a half an hour later. I was trying to find them. I couldn't find them for a little while. And I heard some noises and didn't think anything of it. Kind of just movement noises in the woods. And I came around one cabin and I saw movement. and I looked, because it was about like 3.30 in the afternoon in October, so there were some shadows going on, but I could see pretty well.

So maybe 50 yards away and maybe 10 feet in from that. So there was trees. But I saw something standing up and took off really pretty quick. And I didn't hear it take off, but I heard noises before that. I didn't even hear it take off, but I didn't hear it take off, but it was upright and brown, like a dark brown. Immediately I thought there's a bear out here, like everyone would think. But, you know, right in my mind, right away in my mind, I'm like, this thing was walking. So, of course, I wanted to really find my friends at that point. So I turned around and walked back to the car. That's the only thing I could think of where they'd probably be back there.

maybe, I don't know. And I got out of there quick. So I got back and I asked them if they saw anything and they both said no, they didn't see anything. I didn't tell them what I saw. I said, do you think there's bears out here and they're not possibly? That's all I said.

I was scared. I kind of wanted to leave. I kind of calmed down. I was like, oh, it must have been a bear in my head. I'm just going to convince myself if it was a bear or whatever. But in back of my mind, I kept thinking, you know, I know it was upright, but I'm with my friends. It took off. I'm fine.

Going back further than that, you know, I grew up in the 70s. My first experience with Bigfoot was The Legend of Bagget Creek with a lot of people my age. in my first book that I read about it was probably in sixth grade. So that would have been like, gosh, I'm 78 or something. So quite a long time ago. So I definitely was interested in the subject. So going forward back to the situation, you know, we stayed there until it got dark.

And we were all hanging out in the van, just talking and we heard footsteps and they were loud. I remember screaming big fun and getting down in the car all kind of scared, right? And my other friend did too. My other friend that was driving, he just laughed, whatever. But he heard it. And we all got quiet trying to hear whatever we could. We had the lights on in the van.

and he turned the lights off real quick, and we just waited there for like maybe 10, 15 minutes and started whispering, like, we don't hear anything. You know, it must have been 20 minutes later. We opened the van up and take the flashlight and went outside. And we were by, there was a picnic bench there. And there wasn't anything.

And then a family or big family raccoons came up. And we were like, that couldn't have been raccoons, you know, or scratched our head. Like, what the head was that? But I was. pretty convinced that maybe that was Bigfoot. I'm like, well, maybe it was a person, but I mean, it was so loud. So I had this racing going on my mind.

We got to get out of here. It's late. I got to go home. And we made it home, you know, by like 7, 8 o'clock. It was dark. So that was my first encounter, I think, that really got me, I mean, I was already into it, but really got me going thinking that there's a much, a good possibility that this is happening to people.

having sightings. The next experience that I had was in 1988. And out of all places, there's a Lake Havasu, Nevada. I have gone on the map and looked for any sightings there. There really isn't any. There's maybe one kind of close to there. And there is a desert Sasquatch that has been reported on the border of California and Nevada and then going west into, you know, Palm Springs area and such.

But this was, you know, kind of farther away from that. It was right on the river of Lake Havasu, I guess that's the Colorado River. And I was with a group of 10 friends and we were camping. we had driven out there as a group and it was probably 2.33 in the morning it was in the middle of the summer there was no one there

that assault anywhere. The whole campground was dead. We covered the grounds. No cars came in or out. And my friend and I went for just a brief hike around the campground at 3 in the morning. We weren't sleeping. and the Milky Way was out. It was the most incredible Milky Way experience I've ever had. There's no lights out there, so it was incredible. I let up the sky, you know, the sky like the moon would.

And I remember we're up on this hill, this little kind of hill, and we're like, oh, let's go back to camp, and we're going back a different way than we came right on the, the lake. And so we started going on this trail and there's this how can you explain it?

There's trees growing from the left, trees growing from the right or maybe brush and it was probably like 15, 20 feet tall and it kind of kind of met in the middle. So it was like a tunnel. And you could see the light come a little bit coming through the tunnel on the back end.

And we both kind of stopped about 30, 50 feet from it. And we looked at each other and said, okay, well, it was kind of dark in there. And we didn't have flashlights. We were all going by the Milky Way. I mean, you could see pretty well. And all of a sudden, we hear noise.

We're like, I don't know. And all of a sudden, something starts running at us very quickly, like unbelievably quickly. We turned around and ran up that hill. went all the way to camp did not stop and we were in shape I was 18 at the time

you know I played football and track in high school so I I was back at camp pretty quick but we this thing was right on us whatever it was I thought right at first I thought I was a human but it was black it was all black

and it was like a shadow person coming out and he could hear the footsteps. And we got back to camp and we're like, ah, I had to be one of our friends, you know, pranking us, right? They were all sitting by the campfire. And we, you know, we're adamant. Like, somebody's out there, you know, what's good?

They didn't even bat an eye. They were just like, whatever. But it could not have been a person. So I don't know what it was, but, you know, with my brain, I'm thinking what I saw the year before, I'm thinking, you know, it had to be that because what else would have been? You know, a track star out there? Maybe.

I mean, it was something very, very fast. Excuse me. So that was that event. In 1992, you know, I traveled the country quite a bit in that time frame, 1990. through 1995. I've traveled all over the country many times. And I was in Eugene, Oregon, and there was about eight of our friends there. We're in a house. And my friend's girlfriend's dad lived there. And he was coming over because she was in town. And he was a logger.

Well, he came over. He was about six foot five and is a burly man, rugged, tough guy. And, you know, of course, with the experiences I had, I asked him, outright, has he had any experience with Bigfoot? And all my friends laughed. And some of them shook their head, like, why he asked him this guy this? And he just looked at me straight in the eyes and said, yes. And my friends stopped laughing. I said, well, that's interesting what happened. And he said that, you know, over his years, he was probably like 60 at the time. He's had his equipment messed with and he's seen the footprints.

So that was really, really interesting to me. kind of gave me a little bit of validation and also just talking to somebody else that has had an experience was interesting to me as well. I mean, I was probably 22 at the time, somewhere around there. And, you know, I kept out my reading of books and trying to get a hold of anything I could on big foot at that point. I was really kind of going deep on it. You know, I read Dr. John Binderdogles. books in Grover Krantz. I read a book by him, you know, and watching anything that was on TV,

which, you know, TV is sensationalized. But there's Monster Quest, I think, is what was going on at that time. And I think it was 1993. My brother and his wife came up to visit me. I live in Sinema County now. And they're from Southern California. and we got to talk about camping and they both blurted out. We're never going camping again.

And I said, why? So my wife and I, his wife and him were also in there talking at dinner. And they were both kind of shaken when they were talking about this. They're like, well, we had an experience at Pfeiffer State Park in Big Sur last year, so that would have been 1992, that we can't explain and scared us

and we're never going. And you know what? They have never gone camping since still, to this day. They have never gone. So their story is they didn't have, this is pre-kids. They have two now, and they're all grown up, but they went camping

at the state park in Fipers Beach. And they slept on the beach. in a tent and something and then they had a cliff on one side that was non-scalable you can't scale the cliff

I don't know 60 70 feet high I don't know straight down and so you know they woke up to like little pebbles coming down the the wall

like somebody was coming down it and And they just were standing up the wide eye going, oh my gosh, they could hear some things, actually, because they were chatting together. They were talking in a different language, and it sounded like they had, they sounded like they sounded like they were small, and they were talking and chatting, kind of whispered chatting. But he couldn't make out what they were saying, because it was in some kind of different language. And

that went on for hours. And then finally, whenever they got to the very bottom, it was like four in the morning, they got to right back at the base of their tent and went silent. Nothing. They couldn't hear anything walk off. They didn't hear anything.

He opened up, the tent, looked, nothing was there. The sun came up, they packed their bags and they were done camping, I guess for life, because they've never gone back. So, yeah, I've talked to him, you know, many times since, and his story is the same, but he doesn't think it's Bigfoot. He does not. He's a scientist, and he's in the skeptic camp. He didn't know, he still just this day doesn't know what it was.

He doesn't claim to know what it was, but, you know, especially now since, you know, I've listened to Sosswise Chronicles, and I don't know if you have Jeremiah of episode 515. Yeah, I was just thinking about it. I was like, yeah. Yeah, when that episode, yeah, so when that episode first was played, I, the hairs grew up, you know, rose off my neck because it instantly reminded me of my brother because that was the same park

and I'm almost certain it was the same beach that that happened. So, yeah, I thought. I found that really interesting. I have friends that live down there. There's a few stories here and there, but they have never seen anything. I think probably it's maybe a migration or an area where they go through. I'm not sure. I just kind of think it may be because there's not a lot of sightings down there, but there's not a lot of people either. So who knows? And then as far as experiences that I've talked to people about, there was one more, well, there's two more. There was one more in 2002. It was easy to acquaintance, you know, from elementary school, my kids went to school with their kids and they became friends. And so we became friends. They were on the same softball team and so and so forth.

So we would do things outside of school and work. And we went camping. And I don't know how the, probably it was me, brought up the Bigfoot. Because, you know, they were talking scary stories. And I think one of my friends was like, yeah, say he's telling a story about Bigfoot. And so I did. And then the discussion became a Bigfoot. His wife and I kind of went at it.

She's a total skeptic. But he said, yeah, my dad is really into Bigfoot. And his dad's retired, straight shooter. And he said that, so his story goes, that he was in the Minnesota Forest hunting. So he's a hunter, deer hunting. And he was parked in his truck. And so he has a cab over Ford F-250, it's a big truck. and he sleeps in the back.

I was sleeping in the back in early 2000s, and it was in the middle of night, you know, two, three in the morning, something picked his truck up, five feet off the ground, and then dropped it. That's a heavy truck. And even if you had five men doing that,

you would hear them, and first of all, second of all, it would probably not get picked up all in one just whatever picked it up he said it picked it up and just dropped it like it was nothing like a toy

and then nothing so his his mind went to Bigfoot as well I mean what else could I mean what would you think it would be right your mind goes through all these things and it's like well bear's not going to do that

people it would take maybe even the strongest man in the world you might be able to do it I mean, that's a heavy vehicle, and it's high off the ground. So his mind went to Bigfoot, and he's been, you know, interested in Bigfoot ever since. He goes out camping, and he still goes in hunts, and he's on the lookout for any signs and what have you. So I thought that one was really interesting as well. And the last one that I have is my wife, she spent a good seven years in Tahoe,

Lake Tahoe in Tahoe City. And one of her friends there has a big foot story that he was driving home in the winter when it was snowing. And so he was driving home on the west shore. So it was coming from Tahoe City down to Homewood. And he was going pretty slow because it was snowing pretty good. but he clearly saw it. It was upright.

It was brown and it was a big foot. And it smacked his car as he went by going about 20 miles an hour. And we talked about that with not just my wife, but a bunch of friends that know the guy. And they were all, yeah, that's what he says happened. And, you know, a bunch of them were skeptics and, like, and laughed about it. And I was kind of shaking my head on down saying,

well, that probably did happen. It's because I know I've gone. and looked at all the sightings that are in South Lake Tahoe. It's put kind of a bit quiet the last few years, but a good 15 years ago there was quite a bit of sidings there. So, yeah, that's about all I have with the first and second sightings, secondhand sightings that I have. Some really incredible stuff.

I don't doubt that the story with the truck. being lifted up, I don't doubt it at all because, I mean, you do hear that through history. And then I've also had an individual tell me a story about a mushroom hunter in the Olympic Peninsula that he was, I believe he was sleeping in his truck and it actually got picked up. And then it was put upside down with him in it. This is Matt Rogers from Los Culture Eastas with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang. This is Bowen-Yang from Los Culture Reesters with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang. Spend your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card and earn up to 5% cashbacks on your favorite bundle of brands when you join Venmo's stash.

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uh with the stories and and talking to people about it um well i was was really adventurous when I was, you know, in my 20s. So at that period of time, 87 to like 95, I was hiking all over the place. Like I said, I was all over the United States. So I was on a lot of trails all over Washington, Oregon, a lot of Eugene area in southern Oregon, Grants Pass, Northern California. And I did forget one other one, but, you know, everything becomes subjector

when you don't see something. You know, I mean, I guess, I mean, there's a lot of, like, I don't know what classification, class could be, I guess, sightings you'd say when you hear, scream or, or you see stick formation or all that kind of thing.

But mine was in my bus. So, so, another story, but it's a little subjecture because I didn't see it. but, or it could have been a person, but I was up camping in October. It was about October 25th. It was pouring rain, freezing pouring rain, mind you. And it was like about two miles south of Arcata and a few miles north of Clam Beach.

I was right on the cliffs of the ocean. There was a beach down there. And I was driving back slowly. down back to where I live in the North Bay, down to the Bay area. And there's about 12, 30 at night, and my dog's hair on his back is up, and it's just growling really quietly. And so, you know, I'm hearing the rain, but I'm hearing footsteps walk around the bus at a VW bus. And I was, I was nerve-wracked. I was scared because, you know, I'm like, well, what?

I thought a bear at first, you know, there's plenty of bear up there. But it was circling the bus. And it did it a couple times. And I, you know, from my previous experiences, and I was already interested in it, and I'm, like, thinking, oh, maybe it was a big foot. Who in the heck would be out here? And at that point, there was no houses in that area. Now there are, I've looked at Google Maps.

Just curious to find the beach again and look and see what's developed in that area. So there are houses like on the east side. There's a highway one. And then there's like houses on the hills on the trees. But another interesting thing about that because I had people that were living in Arcata and they'd come down and stop for. the day at that beach and people were saying right next door there's these woods and uh they said that's no one will camp there i'm like why they could because they call the ghost woods i'm like what

what you know and then later i was thinking about it and i was like well i wonder because things are happening you know that they can't explain so you know like i said a subjector in in you can't prove anything by hearing something walk around your bus but i definitely had my my suspicions that if somebody's walking around my bus at 12 30 at night and freezing rain in october and they're crazy i mean just nuts but there's nuts people they're nuts out there well true yeah i mean everywhere but certain places more so but did you see any tracks the next morning no and so you know getting what you were saying about searching for him. I never really, you know, Bigfoot huntings per se, but I always had my eyes and ears open for any sign whatsoever. You know, I used to own property

up in Laytonville area and I always had my head on a swivel, you know, for anything that was happening. And, you know, even on my property, I had to fart in the property is 25 acres. It was really dense forest and rugged. And there was some trees that were, didn't look right, you know, but at the same time, it's, you know, I took pictures of time. It's on an old phone. It's gone. But, you know, I, I don't know.

But, you know, when you get, when you, when you get, when you, when you have these experiences and you have other people tell you about their experiences, and then when you dive in deeper to the subject and you realize that, there's something to it. And then you talk to people like, I've had a conversation with Cliff Brockman. I've had a conversation with Dr. Mildrum. And I've gone to their lectures,

and you really dive in deep to the evidence that's there. You know, I mean, trace evidence in court can put you in jail for life for murder, right? But they won't use, and they use it for, you know, discovering humans from, you know, 100,000 years ago, but they won't put it to Bigfoot. And these prints are way more clarity. There's dermal ridges, there's push-offs off the hills that you can't do with any kind of pneumatic mechanism. So they want a body, I get it, but the evidence is glaring right at you.

It's just that, you know, people can't put their minds around to believing it because believing, seeing is believing, right? To a lot of people anyway. Absolutely. I mean, there was last month I was able to go out in Clackamas County with an individual and yeah, I mean, we found like handprints out there

massive, absolutely massive. Like if you've ever seen the Paul Freeman ones, they're that size, like, huge. It just blew my mind. I mean, Clackamas County in Oregon is absolutely insanity. You mentioned that you went out a lot in the area around Eugene. Were you going out in the towns around Eugene then, out in the woods or anything like that?

Yeah, there's some great hiking out in Cougar Falls that area. That's about 20 miles east of Eugene in east of Springfield. Very mountainous. I think the what river is that? The river goes, I haven't been there a while. There's a river that goes along the highway there and it's very wooded.

And Cougar Falls is absolutely gorgeous, beautiful. There's a little lake with a waterfall and then there's hot springs. And there's a lot of hiking around in that area. And then east of Eugene as well. I've done a lot of hiking. and east of Portland and in Seattle. And then as far as going up there, west of Seattle,

that's a pretty good hot spot, but I never did see anything. I always had my, you know, and actually I had camped in some remote areas in West Oregon as well, close to the beach, very wooded. still didn't see any. Like I said, whenever I go camping,

I keep my ears and eyes open, especially now. Oh, I have one more story. All right. I almost said his name, but my really good friend, I talked to him in length about Bigfoot,

and he went camping in the cloud area. at this RV campground in McLeod, and it was September, into September, just starting to get kind of cold, and there was nobody there, except for the hosts, you know, they lived there. And he had his little dog.

It was a, it doesn't matter what kind, French bulldog or something. And so he was camping, and he had a fire going, and he went to his tent, and he was falling asleep. it was who knows what time. I don't think he knew what time was,

but he woke up to something kind of playing in the fire. And he's like, who in the heck would be playing in the fire? And whatever it was sounded upset. Like it was making noises that sounded upset. And then it cleared its throat. He was like, it did not sound human, but it sounded like a woman. I thought that was really interesting. Because it was taking logs, like it was like,

trying to put it out. Yeah. And he told me that story. And he was in, well, another thing about this is he, they put him in the very, very corner right next to the woods far as far away as you can get sight. So that was interesting, I thought, because, again, who's going to be doing that, you know? It could have been the campground host, maybe, but he said it didn't sound, didn't sound right.

Absolutely. I mean, you take into consideration where it is, too. I mean, that's McLeod, California, right? Correct. So that's in the shadow of Mount Shasta, which is also next to, you know, Dunsmer, weed, eureka, all these places in that area. And Mount Shasta itself, a lot of activity over the years and definitely in current days as well. So, I mean, yeah, that's some pretty weird stuff, dude. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, you know, I've been wanting to get myself out into the woods, but my kids and work and, you know, everything. And, you know, I just got done with college. So that all got, you know, it's taken a lot of my time. Plus, I broke my back last year in a car accident. So I can't hide quite afar anymore. Hopefully I can get through it and get back to where I was. But glamping's my style right now anyway.

Gotcha, gotcha. I wish you the best with that recovery. I know that can be a long road. Yeah, thank you. Appreciate it. But you can still get some activity from, you know, if you take your RV out, anytime after October and do some winter camping.

There's nobody in some of these campgrounds. And from what I've been reading and hearing on some of the podcasts that people are having experiences, even just having them come to you. 100%. 100%. They'll mess with your RV. I mean, I've heard of that. more than once, I mean, I'm thinking of the area around Eugene east of it.

You know, Dexter and Lowell and Oakridge, I've gotten many reports in that area of RVs just being swatted around like flies when there's people in there. You mentioned Cougar Falls, right? Right. Is that up by Rainbow, Oregon? I have to look at a map real quick. Yeah, just east. like you're going over, you're going up to the past, right? Well, if you go into Eugene, let me, Cougar Hot Springs.

Yeah, it's Blue River. Yep. Yeah. Right by the Cougar Reservoir. So you would take the 126 East, so you're going to go by Walterville, Lieberg, Vita, and Blue River, yes. Yeah, and it's right up in there. Beautiful area, right next to the reservoir. And I've had, you know, back when I was going there, you know, people were saying different, you know, they've heard things.

But I just didn't, I never got any, you know, definitive story told to me that this is my friend, my friend, you know, blah, blah. So who knows. But it's definitely a place where I could see activity happening. The Willamette National Forest is right there. Oh, it's so crazy. I drove through it about a month ago in July when I was out there in Oak Ridge. And I mean, it's just a weird area. You know, once I drove past, I don't know if you remember Finn Rock, that rock that's like the road splits it.

It's huge. It's just the vibes are weird when you drive through that rainbow and McKinsey Bridge area. You've heard so many things. and you've experienced some things yourself, do you have any leanings either way about what you think it is that we might be dealing with, whether it's something maybe more human-related

or ape-related, perhaps? You know, this is the very question that I talked to Dr. Meldrum about and why didn't gorillas in particular, or chimpanzees, why didn't they evolve like we did? Why didn't they, you know, and in particular if Bigfoot is an omnivore, which is what we think they are, because they have been seen stealing chickens, they carry deer, this type of thing.

Why didn't the brain evolve like ours did? Because, you know, brains, you know, complex brains need a lot of protein. And he had a great answer, which I can't exactly recall. But yeah. So I thought that was very interesting. But I think, you know, as we find more and more fossils, which are really hard to find nowadays, a lot of skeptics are saying, oh, well, why don't we have a body? Why don't we have, you know, fossil evidence?

Well, you know, back 40 years ago, the evolutionary, tree for humans was a lot you know Denisovans weren't for example weren't discovered yet and we're finding more and more pieces of that tree in discovering that oh there wasn't only four

now there's you know there could have been 25 different upright walking apes that contributed to a human species so that's what I think that it is I think it's one of the branches.

And just like anything else, a gorilla, chimpanzee, they have branches before them. I think it's another hominid possibly. I believe that they're smart, but I don't think that they're humans. They don't have this capability that we do as far as being as smart as us. I think that they are an adaptation to their environment. environment. They are very, very highly adapted to their environment. But, you know, there's a guy, Matt Pruitt. I don't know if you know of him. Oh, yeah. Matt's great. We've talked before. Yeah, yeah. His latest book was really interesting. He talks about how, you know, in different cultures,

let's say, you know, in India and China, they had all these different beliefs that tigers had magic powers. and for thousands of years. And the reason why is because they are so adapted to their environment, and they are so quick and they're so powerful, and so there is so much mystery to them. I think the same thing is happening with Bigfoot. I think that they're so rare, and they are intelligent enough to be able to evade us.

They stay away from us. They know how to hide. they know how to lay down on the ground and be quiet for heck they can out quiet you and outpatient you for an hour you think it's gone it's still there that's my belief I really do think that they

have stealth qualities they're so they can be quiet as a mouse even though they weigh you know they're in or bounce so I think that that's my nutshell of it I think that they're a hominid or or an ape, you know, that's very adapted to her environment, very quick, and, you know,

and smart for an ape, yes. Interesting, interesting thoughts. Thank you. Thank you for sharing those. I also, before I forget, thank you for sharing your original, you know, encounters. And that area is not the first time that, you know, crest line, arrowhead has come up on the show before we've had another. individual speak about how she really went through some interesting things at a house in that area.

That's episode 807 in the Crestline Arrowhead area. But yeah, once I heard you said, I was like, oh, man, yeah, we've been here before. But that whole area is is pretty, pretty wild. And I believe Eli Watson covers, well, the Southern California area in, his Southern California documentary series for Small Town Monsters on Bigfoot. But yeah, I just wanted to say, you know, thank you so much for coming on today. It has been fun talking to you, Mike, and thank you for sharing everything that you've experienced and heard over the years. Thank you for having me on, and I appreciate what you're doing.

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