Bigfoot Society - Catching up and talking Bigfoot with Chris Spencer and Shane Corson from the Olympic Project

Episode Date: November 2, 2022

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Welcome back to Bigfoot Society, a podcast where we focus on cryptids, the strange and the unexplained of this world. If you've got a story or something weird to share, send an email over to me at BigFefa. Foot Society at gmail.com. And if you'd like to support this show, head on over to patreon.com forward slash the Bigfoot Society. And now on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. We've got the privilege of talking to Mr. Chris Spencer and Mr. Shane Corson, both from the Olympic project tonight. How's it going, gentlemen?

Good. Going great. Jeremiah, thanks for having us. Fantastic. We got we got plenty of people in the chat. I'm going to let's see. I'm going to shout out a few people. We got Todd there. SoCal Squatch. What's up party people? Good to see you, sir. We got Scott from the Patreon. How's it going there? Scott? We got Rebecca Slick, of course, good times. Shouting out Todd there. And she says, hey, Roo. And oh, my goodness, we got Mike from Tate. practical Bigfoot research. I haven't seen him for a while. Good to see you, sir. But yeah, we're going to have a good time chatting about some Bigfoot stuff catching up with the Olympic project. And any questions you guys have in the chat, feel free to go ahead and put those in the chat. And we'll put those up on screen eventually. And we'll see what the answers are from Shane and Chris today.

But if there's people that might not be familiar with what you guys are all about, Chris, do you mind if I have you start with saying a few words about yourself, what it is you do with Bigfoot? Yeah. So I've been a member of the Olympic Project since 2017. Before that, I got interested in the subject because I had an experience in 2013. but actually I was always interested in the subject, but I got serious about it after an experience I had in 2013. I met Shane in 2015, Shane, David, and Derek and became a member. I was really interested in audio recording.

Basically, that's what I do. I do a lot of audio recording now. That's the short, short version. The short, short version. I love it. And Shane, how about yourself? Yeah, real quick. Chris is very humble. He does a ton of stuff for the Olympic project. The audio, he's very humble. He's a very humble guy. He's doing some amazing things. But myself, I've been involved with the Olympic project since about 2012. I'm a field investigator and kind of co-run the Olympic project with David Ellis and Derek Randalls of the Olympic project. Though people like Chris Spencer, Rebecca Ann Slick, and Todd Hill are an intricate part. specifically in the last couple of years of what we do,

which is a lot of just field investigation in specific areas. We're not ambulance chasers. We stick to a couple of specific areas and thoroughly vet those areas year round. And the audio aspect, which we'll get into, it's a huge part of what we do, especially and specifically as of recent times. But got a lot of exciting things we're working on. And many of your followers know I've been on the show before. Chris and Todd have been on the show before.

We're working on this nesting area. And so that's kind of our main goal right now is to focus on this specific area and continue our research in this area because we're in it for the long run. You know, it's not a sprint. It's a marathon. So that's what we've been up to as a recent, but we're really about collecting data. and as much data as possible and embedding that data and then comparing it from different seasons. So that's what we've been up to.

That's what we're doing. And that's kind of what we're about. Fantastic. I mean, and to just shout out Chris, you know, when I was able to go out for my first expedition with Tate Hieronymus over the summer. Chris, I really appreciated your help. You were walking me through how to set up my task cam. And, man, you had an answer for all my, for a newbie questions. So I appreciate you, dude.

We got some more people hanging out with us. We got tall ones. Howdy. We got Tate Hieronymus. Oh, these guys, just kidding. Nice, dude. Alan, what's going on, man, from the Patreon? We got all sorts of people.

And we got A.K. Luke, yo. All right. So just in case, and, you know, this is going to be, people are going to hear this later on. There might be people that are not thoroughly versed in the Bigfoot lingo as, you know, as, you know, the three of us are. And so they hear the Bigfoot nest. And you might have a person, they might be imagining, oh, my goodness,

Bigfoot is making like a nest in a tree like a bird. Can you guys give a short summary of like when you say big, you're looking for Bigfoot nest. What are you guys looking for? Well, I'll jump in here. Now I'll let Chris jump in. But when we say Bigfoot nests, first of all, we're not 100% saying what we were led to find our Bigfoot nest. We believe that Sasquatch is quite possibly and more than likely making these nests periodically.

It's not like a bear that makes a bed periodically. It's not like a gorilla that makes a nest every night. These nests that we were led to discover and discovered more subsequently are made occasionally, maybe every couple of years, so to speak, for maybe a specific purpose. So these nests, I mean, they're fascinating in a lot of ways. But they're definitely not. One of the things I think a lot of people get confused with are nests and structures. And this kind of drives me nuts because you can watch a lot of TV shows or you can jump on YouTube and people say they found.

a nest, a big foot nest. Now, to clarify, I mean, what is a big foot nest? Nobody knows. Nobody truly knows what a big foot nest, if they do, in fact, make nests. But you watch a lot of these shows at YouTube, TV, specifically TV, and they're more like structures. When I'm trying to describe a nest to somebody, I'm talking about what looks like in all, in all factuality, a giant nest on the ground, like a giant bird's nest.

but structured intelligently and made out of, I mean, out of Huckleberry, fresh bowels from Huckleberry. So we're not talking about, you know, a bare bed. We're not talking about a teepee structure. We're not talking about something that looks like a cave. We're talking about a giant ground nest. And I've seen too many times on TV, even as a recent on some shows I won't mention. and I've seen on YouTube and stuff that they describe stuff.

And a lot of times you can tell that they're either manmade, they're natural, or they're just complete hoaxes. And so what we've been led to discover is something that's not manmade. It's not natural as far as nature, as far as weather concerned. This is constructed intelligently and they're in clusters. That's another key thing.

You're not finding these nests really by themselves, like one giant nest somewhere. You're finding them in clusters. For example, bears will make beds. And sometimes they'll make more than one bed. But they're a bed. They're not a nest. People make weird structures, TPs and stuff like that.

And maybe Sasquatch those make structures. I don't know. But this is not a structure. These are ground nests. And they're over a foot. depth made up completely out of Huckleberry in conjunction with other nests. And usually they're formulated in a pattern or in a situation where they're almost like a B shape in a lot of circumstances. And as I've spoken about before, some of the nests we've discovered have what we call

bush nests or a practice nest that's above the ground in the Huckleberry that mimics what's on the ground. Interesting. So there's a lot to be said about that. But these nests are absolutely fascinating because there's no cut marks, there's no claw marks. These are snap peeled or twisted branches that formulate these giant ground nests of various sizes. And in many cases, as I've described before, you have Huckleberry bowels pushed into the ground and the nests is not necessarily weaved, but formulated around this sort of frame, like a bed frame. And so something, you need an opposable thumb, in my opinion. You need strength and need an

intelligence to make these nests. Chris, what do you have to say? I was just going to add and it's a lot of the material is transported. It's not like an animal just grabbed what was right there and built it because that's what a bear does. It comes to a spot

it wants to bed down in. It might be against a tree and it'll scrape bark off that tree. But normally a bear just scrapes up the duff or whatever is around it and then lays in it. This stuff, the huckleberry was broken all over the area. The original nest site is like 90 feet by 120 feet, I think. And all the hunkleberry in that area was completely destroyed and transported to the spot where they built the beds or nests. It was done with something that had

hands, basically. And bears don't nest together. You're not going to find, as Shane said, Bears will make new nests in the same general area or new bed in the same general area. These were intentionally built about the same time. The Huckleberry was built was the same age and all the nests and by multiple animals. This was at least in the original nest site that was found by a timber surveyor, not the Olympic project. A timber surveyor found him in an area where no one would be going but a timber surveyor. These are built by multiple animals.

And yeah, that's what I got. That's awesome. And it's, you know, when people ask me when I'm on shows and they're like, what's your, you know, the question you always get is what's your top big foot evidence, right? And the one I usually bring up are the nest from the Olympic project. It's just the fact that, you know, the fact that, you know, the fact that, uh, the fact that, uh, I believe you had, there was like a primatologist that went out in that area and pretty much mentioned that, hey, this stuff is like what we're seeing built in the zoos. That to me is just like, I mean, it's game over. If you're having like a primatologist person from a zoo come out and say, yep, that checks out.

I mean, yeah, yeah, we've had primatologists, zoologist, biologists, wildlife biologists in this area. And today, I mean, they're to come out now. There's nothing really to be seen. You wouldn't even recognize them. But originally, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2018, even though they were kind of really degraded and we've taken samples from a few, the majority of them were, blown away by what they were looking at. They could not describe them by any of their knowledge as, you know, this wasn't bare behavior. The primatologists slash and zoologists that looked at them and said, they're bare reminiscent, like you said, Jeremiah, of what they would see in, in captivity

and outside of captivity with gorillas or primates in general, like, you know, great apes in general, like chimpanzees, bon and bows and whatnot that would make and construct these. ground nest. They're very similar. And I remember one of the individuals, a female from a certain zoo out here in North America, said that she could actually see characteristics and of certain individuals that she worked with, chimpanzees and whatnot. And basically what I'm getting is that some of the nest had just characteristics. Like she could put a name to a nest.

Like, okay, this looks like so-and-so would have made this nest and so-and-so would have made this nest, which I actually had never considered. and found absolutely fascinating because I just, I see these ground nests. They're big in size. They're very intelligently constructed, but to see characteristics or character in somebody's nest that I as a layman would not have noticed was fascinating to me. And a lot of,

you mean, the bear biologist, even, you know, this is not bare behavior, period. As Chris stated, bears don't hunker down together.

You know, they don't build seven nests in one area at the same time with the same material, and they don't transport material from over 25 feet away to construct a very large nest. One that is not meant to be, in our opinion, and definitely in my opinion, for one night. These nests were made for a period of time for a certain reason. The reason, very speculative, obviously, but they were made for probably a couple of days. a week to maybe longer based on the food sources in this area and based on the amount of time because we've reconstructed a nest. This is Matt Rogers from Los Culture East us with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang.

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They were expert at what they were doing. And we were trying to reconstruct one the best we could. And we found out we still did not collect enough material, which once again was fascinating. And that's not, you guys weren't breaking the limbs with your hands. You were just picking up pieces that were already on the ground, I would assume. Oh, no. No, no. All the above.

No. So all the, there was no, when these nests were really originally constructed by whatever, they, they weren't, whatever made these nests weren't utilizing dead stuff. It was all fresh boughs from Huckleberry. And to your point, Jeremiah, a lot of the, we did use our hands. And we discovered, once again, that some of that stuff was almost impossible to break. Now, I'm a fairly strong guy. And I know Derek Randalls is a very strong guy. It took all of our strength, sometimes two of us, to break one of these and then bring it to the nest location where we were reconstructing a nest.

It took strength. And it took intelligence because it was transported from a distance away. where you had a lot of the bigger branches on the base and smaller branches on top, which would have made a nice comfort, you know, nice bedding, you know, you'd want to lay in as a human even. But yeah, I mean, it was all fresh Huckleberry. It wasn't anything dead. And that's another thing I've actually never really talked about on a show is a lot of these pictures you see where someone says, oh, this is a big but necessary. It's all dead.

It is big, dead branches and stuff that defies logic. It doesn't even look comfy. The Huckleberry is super comfy, especially when it's fresh. It is like a mattress. And so I get a little frustrated when people say they found something and they don't really have an age to it. Because we watched, when we built the reconstructed nest, we watched it age over months. And Huckleberry will stay green for months. And then it'll eventually brown up.

that's why when these nests were found in May of 2015, they were still green. And we surmise and hypothesize that these nests were made in the month of February. They stayed green. It was a, I mean, that year was a cold year and very wet. So I would assume they stayed very green because of that. But maybe they were made into the month of March. Again, we hypothesized they were made between February and March. but it's very comfy.

A lot of these photos that people send me or things I see on TV or on YouTube don't resemble a nest. They resemble a structure and they do not look comfy whatsoever. If I'm, Shane Corson's going out to the woods and building something, I'm not going to grab a bunch of dead stuff. I'm going to grab the greenest stuff around,

maybe some moths, maybe some puckleberry. And that's going to be comfy. And that makes sense that something with intelligence would do the same thing. There you go. There's already questions coming in about the Nessite, of course. So I want to throw some of these up here. Scott, of course, the question that is on everyone's mind.

So have there been any new encounters, evidence, or findings that have come out of the site lately? Yeah, mainly audio, because I got long-term audio running in there. But in May, we did a camp out, and we not only had audio gone, but we cast a trap. I'm fairly certain is one of our target subjects. It's hard. It's a grounded cover in there because it's so thick with Huckleberry. The ground is almost all dead Huckleberry leaves. It's not conducive to getting tracks, but we actually are second night, second day in there hiking and not very far from our camp.

Shane actually found a nice impression that had a very defined heel. It was 14, 14 by 7, I believe. I believe, and we end up casting that. So, yeah, we find, I call them ambiguous tracks, but they're definitely, they ironically fall within that 14-inch by 7-inch range a lot. Todd Hale, he found some other tracks in correlation with what we believe is possibly some feeding behavior last November. There was a whole area where all the Huckaberry was broke off from, you know, six, seven feet up, down to about four feet.

And the huckleberry is right in the area in November and October. And it's sweet, you can eat it. I was eating it in November. And we found this whole area, I don't even, it was massive where all the huckleberry, there was these trails made through the huckleberry, and the huckleberry bowser broke off. But one thing I noticed, all the boughs that I was picking up were completely stripped of berries. There's no berries on them. Whereas all the living branches

had berries on them still. So I kind of hypothesized that there's probably some feeding behavior going on. And Todd, like I said, Todd Hale found a number of really interesting impressions. One really large, a couple really

large impressions in the same area. So, yeah, we're always looking for more physical evidence. Me and Shane, we found some possible old mess in May on a camp out and hike into an area that we hadn't been in in a long time. And like I said, the audio, I'm reviewing audio. I'm pretty much recording every single night this year, almost every night last year.

And there is definite suspicious vocalizations and percussive sounds happening pretty regularly. Shane, anything to add to that? Yeah, I want to clarify something. We don't think that Sasquatch is, I mean, this is not an area that Sasquatch is in 24-7. If they were, I don't care how big of the area it is. They're going to give themselves up. They have to be nomadic. They have to move around.

But they seem to be in this area frequently. And actually, based on the audio recordings, a lot more frequently than I thought. As Chris stated, he's got multiple LDRs long duration recorders out in this area. and capturing every night, every night for, you know, lengthy, lengthy periods of time. And Chris bets this audio. And it's quite painstaking, as he will tell you. And not just painstaking, but it takes up a lot of time. And he's got a day job and alive.

But so the audio is amazing. But these things are not, and I say these things, Saskwatch is not in this area, you know, all the time. But they are definitely in this area periodically moving through this area, in my opinion. And a lot of nights when you're camping out there, you won't hear a thing. And you don't get anything recorded. And a lot of times, the audio speaks for itself. You don't hear stuff. It's amazing to me what the human ear does not pick up.

It can be dead quiet out. You cannot have a fire. And you don't hear, you know, you don't hear percussive sounds. You don't hear whoops, whistles. and it's just weird how the human ear does not pick up on some of the stuff. And I think that's why one of the reasons they say so elusive, they're so smart. You know, if you have something repetitive going on like constant whistles or constant yells or anything like, I'm pretty sure that's not a Sasquatch.

But when you have just periodic stuff, that's why you pay attention. And in this area, we have discovered, like Chris said, one of the things we look for is Huckleberry breaks. Now, yes, a lot of things to break Huckleberry. Elk can break Huckleberry branches, deer can break Huckleberry branches, bear definitely break Huckleberry branches. But there's no human element in here to break Huckleberry branches. You do have the known animals. But when you start seeing the lack of, say, antlers or claws or teeth marks on them, and you see things over, like Chris said, six or seven feet tall where it's broken off, twisted off, dropped, the Huckleberries are completely stripped.

in some cases the leaves are plucked off. It's when we pay attention because that's when we start noticing you know possible impressions. You know, we're not just looking at the huckleberry. We're looking down at the ground. In a lot of cases in this area, you know, the ground's not conducive

for a really good track impression. But sometimes it is. And you do find large impressions. And one of the characteristics we've discovered the last couple of years is a real consistency with these 14 inch tracks. 14 inch. And that's really appealing to me because I look back at the, you know,

the Patterson Gimlin film, Patty was, she was about 14 inches. And when we think about the nests, a lot of the impressions found around the nest site are about 14 inches. So things start kind of coming together and it starts paying a picture whether it's right or wrong, but something to think about that maybe a female Sasquatch is building nests and in this area and not. seen because there are reports in the vicinity outskirts on some of the roads outside of this area where people see large Sasquots crossing roads periodically. There's been a couple this

year, larger Sasquatch scene. And typically speaking, you know, the best majority of sightings are, you know, especially roadside crossings are typically of larger looking Sasquatch, typically. And that tells me that possibly that's a male. Maybe it's a female, but quite, you know, no one describes any attributes that may lean towards a female. But I would assume the males are the ones traversing the areas, monitoring it, the ones that are going to be the most exposed, whereas the females and say, if they live in a family unit or not, the infants would not be seen as much. So it's, it's an interesting scenario we have out in the, out in the nest area. And we're just collecting as much data as can.

That, the detail about 14 inch footprint. That's, that's pretty cool. Tate has a question as well. He says, is there any possibility people could have hiked in and hoax them? Well, I'll, I'll, I'm definitely going to let Chris chime in on this. Because this is a good one. But it's great question. It's great question.

We get this one quite often. The answer is no. This is two and a half miles behind a lock gate that we have the key to. And this is way off trail. to hope somebody you would figure that somebody's going to go out there. The only person that other than us as of recent that's been out there is a timber sub-bearance. That was back in 2015.

And to build multiple nests, there's no sign of trash. There's no sign of people impressions, both physical impressions or trash and whatnot, multiple sizes. And it defies logic way off trail. These are areas where you have a lot of cougar, you have a lot of bear, you have a lot of ungulates to I'm just going to say this people are stupid

if they're gonna if they're gonna hoax you they're gonna do it next to a road right not way I mean this stuff's impenetrable it's impenetrable I mean literally you have to go through Huckleberry over nine feet tall

you can't see a few feet and you who in their right mind's gonna hoax somebody out there and make it fresh you know to the point where you're going in there and it's fresh you know um you know give a

If that timber severe when he went in there, went in there a couple of months later, it would have been weird, but all that debris would have been dead. And the amount of time, the sheer amount of time that it took to build these nests with the depths, all the Huckabry broken, and the strength and the heights. And yeah, to me, that's not a silly question, but impossible. And not nothing that happened here. Yeah, so that's all. Chris, go ahead.

I know you got something to say about this. No, it just goes back to what I said earlier that the one person that the O.P. didn't find these nests. It wasn't like some bigfooters went out in the woods looking for, for a bigfoot nests. It was an area where known big footers go. A guy doing a job that he had to do, which is designate where you have to stop logging along a creek. because there's a certain amount of trees that have to be, yeah,

have to be left on salmon bearing creeks. So he has to, on this property, has to go through the property and flag it off. So the loggers don't only log to a certain point. So that means he has to go through stuff that no one in their right mind, not a hunter, not anybody would,

would travel. When you go, when the nests were originally found, you would not know they were there. The timber surveyor just stumbled upon him. He, you, you wouldn't see it from the top because the barrier of Huckleberry. You wouldn't see it from the creek bottom because of the sheer steepness of the hillside. The only way you knew it was there is if you walked right in on him.

So if someone was trying to hoax something like Shane pointed out, they're going to put it where someone's going to find it. And where this was at, it would be a terrible place to hoax. It just, it's a ludicrous thought to me. And I understand the question, though. I get being skeptical, but, you know, before I got invited out to look at it, that's the thought that went through my head, too. That's a thought that's going to go through generally anybody's head. But once you've been there, it's like, are you freaking kidding me?

No way anybody in their right mind coming out here. You know, last week and me and Rebecca were in their servicing audio and her game cameras because she's running a lot of game cameras and getting some great footage of known animals. We had a hike down. We had placed two months ago, an audio unit, one of my SM4s,

in an area that we think they're traveling, which is down in the ravine. And it's only maybe 100 yards off the ridgetop. It took us an hour to get there and over an hour to get out of there. And that's just the two of us, climbing through the crap just to get in there.

And there's so much of it's like that you could be traveling in there. We could be going right past well-used trails by the Sasquatch and not even see them because they could be two feet away from us and we wouldn't see it through the Huckleberry. Unless you walk right on top of something, you're not going to find it. It's wild.

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I just want to see what you guys' thoughts are about it. The nests were stated to be found down a slope that was so steep ropes were needed to get down to them. Can you ask them about the claims that the animals wouldn't likely create nightly nests in such a location? I think we answered most of those and no ropes were used. Yeah, yeah. I mean, let me just say that it is very steep, but never once. the only times I've ever used ropes is when I went with Mark Mercell to Ape Canyon, honestly.

That's the only time ever, and I don't want to be getting confused with that conversation. That was Ape Canyon out towards Mount St. Helens where the 1924 cabin site was located that Mark found. No ropes are needed, but it's very steep. I've seen people almost, I mean,

if you fall down this hill, you're going to be hurt. It's no joke. It's very steep. But as a human, it takes us a lot of time to get up and down it, whereas the Sasquatch, I would assume could just like an ungulate or a bear or a cougar or anything else,

up and down there, no problem. It's a very quick escape route that leads right down to a salmon barren creek. And as far as making nest nightly, if Sasquatch is making nest nightly, as to the caliber of what we have discovered and been led to discover, they're going to give themselves up. It takes a lot of work, takes a lot of material. And one more thing I was going to mention too was the necessary to, too, the canopy up above, Like drones, you cannot penetrate this area with drones.

The canopy up ahead, you know, the Douglas fir in this area is so thick. And then you have the Huckleberry. I described the nests like this. You can't see it from afar. It's like a house. You could see the walls, which would be the Huckleberry. You literally have to get past this Huckleberry, these walls, even coming into the room of the devastation.

So it's very intelligent. You don't destroy anything outside your house. You just build everything inside it and construct it. You lay your furniture down and all that. Very intelligent. So it's very impenetrable. You have to literally stumble across us and it takes somebody like a timber surveyor that has a job. Because I honestly, I do enjoy off trail hiking.

But generally speaking, this wouldn't be an Arab go to as a hunter as a hiker or an explorer because it's just you don't know if you're going to walk into a beehive or bump into a bear or a cougar or just get a stick in the eye. ball, which we've done multiple times. It's brutal. So I kind of hope that answers those last two questions. Yeah, I think that'll shine a little bit more light, hopefully for that individual to ask that. Speaking of salmon, Mike from tactical Bigfoot research says, question, how important are the salmon to your research?

That's kind of an interesting viewpoint to bring up your question there. relatively big, but not to end all be all. And I could say that off a number of things. Now, when these nests are being made, this is the big point. When these nests are being made, there usually is a big salmon run or a big chum run in some of these areas. And in the months of February, and even currently right now, there's a big chum run in some of these areas. February, you do have a big chum or salmon run in some of these areas. and these nests just happen to be coinciding with that run in February and March of some of these rivers.

And that's huge. That is huge because that's a natural, I mean, bears eat it. A lot of animals eat salmon, including humans. And, you know, when I'm out fishing, it's a good month to be out there or months to be out there fishing. These nests, I do believe, are made maybe around that time frame because of the salmon run, but that's not the end-all be-all. It's a huge component to those specific months. But as Chris will tell you, and as we've discovered that Sasquatch seems to be moving here through this area periodically,

for a number of reasons. It is remote. There's a lack of humans. It's hard to get to. And there's lots and lots of food sources. And like right now, you go out there right now in the Huckleberry and the different berries, the salau berry. You can find some Oregon grape.

You can find some red huckleberry. There are some mushrooms to be found. Mosses, skunk cabbage, devil's club, which a lot of people hypothesize Sasquatch eats. And you have salmon even up there right now. Salmon's big, but we're looking beyond that as to why Sasquatch might be possibly in this area. And wood are the food sources.

It's not just food, but it's protecting its cover and all those elements that make a bigger picture. interesting Chris the next one I'm going to throw this up this is from Tate for Chris specifically so remember

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search for Sabe that's starting on 920 on his YouTube channel I'll put the link in the show notes Chris he wants wants to know, what did you think of the audio that I sent you from the Iowa expedition? It's, you know, it's ambiguous, but it's interesting.

The circumstances surrounding it and your guys' presence in the area, it would be intriguing, like I told you before, to maybe start a long-term recording product. Exactly. And see what else you get. I mean, they're definite knocks, percussive sounds. What made those? There's a number of things that could have made those, but under the circumstance,

it was suspicious. And I would just take it as something to maybe go investigate further. It's not like, I'm not going to say it was Bigfoot, but put a long-term recorder out there and see if you get some vocalizations. Exactly. It's just something when you look at the whole picture and the circumstances surrounding it kind of raises a little red flag.

It's, you know, in that area we were at, there have been vocalizations captured in earlier years. So I agree with it. I'd be interested to see what's captured from a long-term field recorder for sure. hopefully that will happen someday. Yeah. Rebecca says, hey, I think they eat bald eagles.

So guys, you should keep track of that. That goes back to her comment is, and I'll address this because it's hilarious. Okay. And, you know, I won't bag on this comment because it, it's a legitimate question.

But someone had mentioned that are these possible eagle? And the answer, you know, eagle nests. and absolutely no. Absolutely no, because there's a thick canopy to fly out of this area. I mean, eagles are huge. And we do have a lot of eagles up in this area. I mean, yeah, because we're close to the coast, you know, basically.

There's a lot of eagles up in this area, but they need to get around trees. And the trees are so thick in this area, in the tree canopy. And eagles don't nest together. They don't make seven nests in one area of various sizes. And you always find, you find a bird nest, just a regular bird nest. What are you going to see? You're going to see bird crap. There's no bird crap there.

Oh, yeah, that's true. There's no. Have you ever seen an eagle nest? And I have. I can take a 20-minute drive from my house right now and go find an eagle nest. And you're going to find droppings everywhere, big piles of white droppings. Not one to be found, not an eagle feather. So that's where that comes from.

And that's why it's ludicrous. And just the predator aspect. And the eagle is going to build its nest where the eggs are going to be safe. You put an eagle nest. on the ground with eggs on the ground in that area. There's raccoons, weasels, bobcats, coyotes, freaking tons of wood rats. I mean, everything you can possibly imagine would be eating those eggs.

The gene pool for the eagles in the area would die with the ground nest. Exactly. And so, yes, it's an interesting idea, but a lot of it comes down to is knowing the sounds, the ways that animals act in the areas, that you're studying and then you're able to, you know, you wouldn't have that thought that a bald eagle would be nesting on the ground. And it's not practical.

You'd have that stuff in your mind. Exactly, yeah. I will say this. I do have some eagle calls on my long-term audio in the middle of the night. Nice. But it just happens to coincide with the huge chum and coho run that we had this year. The same week that those fish were just loaded in the creeks and the river is one. when I picked up some eagle calls.

Interesting. Scott asks, you mentioned that the area is so thick. Do you think there's any possibility you've been closer to them than you've realized? Any concerns that one day you might stumble upon one? I think that's a very interesting question. I'll go ahead. I guarantee we've been really close them a number of times and did not even realize it. I've had two possible sightings this year.

I can't say for sure what I saw. One of them really pisses me off. But I do have audio that I carry on my head that back in March, we got out Shane's truck. I reviewed the audio later. I'll go ahead and tell the whole story. I think I've told it before, but we go in repetitively. We go in the same way every time, service the same units every time, the same way.

and we'd had several occasions where we'd heard vocalizations when we'd been in there. I think two or three more times before March, we were pretty sure we'd been observed because we'd heard vocalizations really close to us. Anyways, we go in, not thinking, get out of the rig, and me and Rebecca stayed where my audio recorder was. I was messing with it. I was ticked off about something because usually that's what happens. I get mad at technology and curse it.

Rebecca was messing with her game camera that she has really close to where my audio is. Shane decided he was going to go place another camera in a different location, which happened to take him out of the Huckleberry that we were in, and he ended up kind of flanking getting behind us. Well, while he placed his camera and he's waiting for us to come out, he could hear me and Rebecca talking in the distance, but he also heard something in the Huckleberry, something large moving towards me and Rebecca.

Well, he called me, and I didn't answer my phone. I had my phone on airplane mode. And as soon as he put his phone down, he had heard a big crash. And so he started going to meet us halfway because he didn't know if it was a bear or whatever. And I'll say bears don't come towards you. They run away from you generally out here.

whatever this was was coming towards me and Rebecca. Anyways, Rebecca had heard some crashing behind us. I didn't hear any of it because I was ticked off at her. I was ticked off at my tech and this and that. And we met Shane halfway up the trail. He had his gun out. And I'm like, what's up, dude? He goes, dude, you didn't hear that?

Rebecca goes, oh, those crashes? I thought those were you. And he's like, no, I heard it. It was going towards you guys. Anyways, so that cue to sin that something was going on. Well, that night, I reviewed the audio I had rolling on my head. And this is an example of why I turned my recorder on before I get out of my vehicle. 30 seconds after we step out of Shane's truck and we're talking, so we didn't hear it, there's a whoop.

And it's not very far from us. I end up recording three different whoops. I sent the audio to Monagahela, too. And he, his email back to me was like, they were right on top of you and you didn't freaking notice it. That's not. Some perfect whoops that were happening around us, and they were happening at times when I was moving and Rebecca or Rebecca was talking and we didn't hear it. But they were, they were right bias. And it's interesting because, you know, in the same exact area in May on our way out, me and Rebecca, we're on our way out.

And I glanced out of the core of my eye, I saw a tall figure out in the Huckleberry. And when we came back a couple days later, and I blew it off in my head, I was like, that's, because it was ways out, and I just caught a glance of it. But it stood out to me because of the coloration, I blew it off as a stump or a broken tree from storm. And we went back and whatever I saw wasn't there.

And so I can't say that was a big foot or whatever. But, you know, and then just recently, we went in in July and we were down. And this is one thing. saying it when stuff happens usually happens

when our group separates a little bit we cause confusion I state we were down by the original nest area and Shane and Wes Liam

Wes is helping me with the audio project he's a statistical analysis I collect the information and he goes to the spreadsheets and does his magic

Squatter Matrix anyways he was the security him over to visit and he was with us. Shane took him down to the creek. Rebecca was down at the original nest site. I was by myself in this area where I had the SM4. I carry a camera with a telephoto lens on it for a reason in case I see something. Well, it's a pain in the butt carrying it through all that huckleberry in there. So I had taken it off and I set it down on the ground.

I walked over to this kind of clear area and I was just looking up the drinking a bottle of water. And as I was coming down, I noticed a figure about 75 yards out really, really black. And it didn't match any of the other shadows. And it looked like a head and shoulders right up against a tree. And I'm staring at this. And I'm like, it's got to be a stump or something. And I'm thinking, I don't have my camera. So I can't zoom in on it. I stared at this thing for about a minute. And it just was so off. And it didn't move. It didn't do nothing and in my head i'm thinking that's got to it's it's so big and so obvious it's got to be a stump so i turn around grab my camera so i can zoom in on it and it's gone oh man i'm now i'm i'm like

okay i'm looking i'm scoping everywhere because it was at the edge of a finger that drops down into another ravine i'm looking everywhere and i can't find this damn stump and there's no way i because it's so big and so black. And Rebecca comes up and she looks at me and she's like, what's wrong? I told her. So she started videoing me. And as she's videoing me telling what happened,

there's a, and then we're hearing subtle, not loud movement, but we're hearing brush movement from that direction going away from us. So that was in July. So do they get close? to us, in my opinion, yeah. You know, I get everyone wants to not sound crazy and everyone kind of pussy puts around everything.

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I have no qualms approaching something. And maybe that's risky me. That's stupid. But, you know, I always have a GoPro running. You almost always have some sort of audio and or video running. And most times we always have video running. I will approach it. But going through an area like that, where Chris saw that possible, where you had that possible signing,

I did go out to the area that day and it took me forever to get out there and I was going uphill through branches and a lot of time they couldn't see me. You can't run at something in this area. It's not like you said. It's not an area as a hunter and Chris is a hunter as well. It's not an area you're going to hunt. It'd be impossible. It'd be a joke.

But are these things quite possibly closer? Well, yeah. If say just there was a just for example, say there was just some, some, some, odd reason, which it would never happen, but a group of people that just wanted to meander out there, I could, I could just stand still and they're never going to see me out there. No one's going to see me out there. All I have to do is stand still or move very quietly. I don't care if I'm a foot tall to, you know, 10 p tall.

No one's going to see me. I could just stay there and watch people. It'd be that easy. And you would never know I was there. And I'm not the biggest guy. You get something that big. I mean, you could hide an elephant out there, as long as they don't move or make any, you know, But it's just that simple.

The other part of the question, any concerns that one day you might stumble upon one? No, I want to. I mean, I'm not arrogant to say that I won't have a bit of fear in me and all that. No, but that's why I'm out there. I want to get one on film, like a good film. And it's a matter of time, in my opinion, that one of us and the Olin Project will, it won't prove it. And we do have some good stuff within the O.P. That's not public.

But it's just not good enough, in my opinion, to even share. I don't want arguments. I don't want complaints. I don't want to even argue the point. But one day, maybe we'll get something that's really cool that we'll share with the public that I think is worthy. And then they can argue about it and I don't care. You know, one thing we're not is hoaxers. That's one thing about really good solid groups is it's so easy to hoax nowadays.

It's so easy. What's hard to do is actually do this fieldwork. It's very difficult. And it's time consuming. It's not cost effective. And so do I worry about someone across one? I hope for it. I hope for it again, because it has happened to me and multiple times,

but I just have not managed to get it on film. Well, you and Todd stumbled on one in two of 2020. That's right. February 2020, a brand new nest site discovered in the making. And we were this close to seeing the sucker, but it traveled down the hill and went up behind us, but the Huckleberry is so thick. But guess what?

We found 14-inch tracks. We found hand impressions. We found this huge Huckleberry that was collected from the area that day that was about to be formulated into a mess. So we were this close, this close. But what's Dr. Evil saying on awesome powers? Just one calorie, not evil enough. Well, we were this close, but we were this close, but just not that close enough. So let's follow up to that.

Let's say you do go around the corner. You get that face-to-face sighting. It's you. It's a squatch right there. What are you going to do? Piss my pants. Have you ever thought of that? Yeah.

Okay, piss your pants. Cool. Quite possibly. I mean, it's the same. Go ahead, Chris. Hopefully, I don't have my camera sitting on the ground and my GoPro. Because I carry a GoPro too. I have a chest mounted GoPro.

Shane carries one on his pack. Todd has one going. Rebecca has one going. One of us, if not all of us, always has a GoPro going. So if there is that kind of close, close encounter, hopefully it gets video. But yeah, I, you know, I can't say that I dream with that encounter. I don't really want that encounter. I want that encounter, but I will not, I won't be, you know, like I said, I'm not

that arrogant. I'm not going to go running at the dang thing. I mean, I wouldn't run at a bear. I wouldn't run out of cougar. I wouldn't even run at an elk. You know, I wouldn't run out of moose. But I'm going to soak up that moment. I'm going to be fearful.

No doubt about it. I've been fearful. You know, I'm a pretty brave guy, but I'm not stupid. You know, I respect everything in the woods, everything,

you know, and you have to. Otherwise, that's how you go missing. That's how you get hurt. If you don't respect just the known animals, yeah, you're asking for trouble.

I mean, you can be killed by just a, you know, a ground nest of wasps. You know, you got to think of all this stuff. but I would not run it but I would I would definitely I'm going to have audio running and video running and I'm going to soak up that moment I'm not going to you know maybe I'll back off it just depends

I mean this is all these are what people say they want when it happens that's different and but I know in my heart of hearts I've been at this a long time I'm not running but I am going to capture the whole everything I can at that moment so I mean who knows the more time you're in the woods you have those opportunities. You know, it's just like I run into Black Bear quite frequently, you know, out in the woods, mainly through hunting season. You know, I'm out, I usually hunt Blacktail because that's what we have up here in Western Washington.

And it seems I run into more Black Bear than Blacktail because Blacktail are a kind of species that call the Ghosts of the Woods because they're there and they're gone and you don't see them coming. They're very hard gear to hunt. I run to more Black Bear and they just, you know, they run away. And I don't fear Black Bear, but I respect them. Same thing with Sasquatch. I don't, the odds of it, I don't believe there's any time.

If they're in the area, and like Shane has pointed out, and I want to point out too, from the audio, they're not there all the time. We are seeing some patterns. They're passing through the area frequently, more frequently than we expected, but they're not staying there and hanging out. So if they're there when we're there, they know we're there. So I seriously doubt you're going to stumble into one. You know, what happened in 2020 was a one in a million shot, in my opinion.

I think they're going to be highly aware of us. I guarantee they recognize Shane's truck. Shane's been in there more than anybody else. I guarantee the minute Shane pulls in there, they know his truck. And I suspect they know me, Shane, and Rebecca now because for almost two years now, the three of us have been going in there, I mean, religiously. So, yeah, I stumbling into one that close, I don't think it's going to happen. If you do, it wants you to see you. And that's kind of scary thought right there.

It is. That's like the movie Congo for back in the day, dude. Oh, yeah. Game over, man. Mike has a really interesting question here, Mike from Tactical Big for Research. What sounds in the woods have made you unsettled? Oh, there's a big question, Mike. The creepy sing-songy stuff.

Yeah, and some of the, recently some of the chatter type stuff that sounds like the Sierra sounds. I've recorded some of that. And that just creeps me out. Cripes me out a lot. Shane, go ahead. Then I need to follow. Yeah. Yeah. There's one specific sound that I've heard not all the time, but on two specific occasions.

And we recorded a bunch of it or a significant amount of it is whistles, a specific type of whistle. When I hear there was an experience I had back in 2013 Mount Hood that was just, just at, you know, not that far. Excuse me, 2012, where I heard two whistles and had a tree come down next to our camp, three o'clock in the afternoon, and not too far away from where I had my original sighting. And then another experience I had on Tillamook down in the Oregon coast

that was very odd with the whistles at 1138 night, and we had a dog with us, and the dog reacted so freaking weird. Nothing good has ever happened in person when I've heard nothing good, I would say, after I've heard a whistle, a specific type of whistle. I don't like the whistles. The only thing that really unnerves me. The other thing is when you have a tree come down next to camp, that sucks. I don't care if it's naturally made or possibly within possibly Sasquatches.

Chris, well, he wasn't there at that time, but Rebecca and Slick can speak to. And Todd Hale and a member of us had whoops and stuff going on. and then a large tree came down behind her camp. That sort of stuff is unsettling. But you know what? I want that stuff to happen because that's sometimes you get the best evidence, audio and recordings and the best time to be out there therming. Because if they're doing that stuff, it's if they're doing that stuff,

it's for a reason. And that's when you've got to be on your A game. She will always be on your A game, but that's specifically when you should be on your A game. But it is unsettling when you hear stuff like, that. Other than that, I hope to come to my camp and scream my tent off me. Yeah, I want that. Bring it. Chris, so you have, have, you've recorded Sierra Sound-like sounds in the area? I want to clarify that. I've got a couple instances where I've got some stuff that's similar. Okay. It's not close range. It's not as close as what Ron recorded. But it's eerily similar. Wow.

It's, it's, yeah, it actually made me mad when I got it. Really? Well, you know, I love Ron. I've met him in person. I've hung out with Ron. Kindest guy in the world. And I absolutely do not believe he would ever try to deceive anybody. But in the back of my mind, those sounds I've always been really on the fence with and really, you know, maybe someone was hoaxing Ron or something

like that and uh i always said that until i recorded i don't believe it oh wow and i think i was talking with james million about it uh like a week prior to me reviewing some audio and i reviewed that audio and i got this call and it's it's straight out of one of the calls and the sierra sounds and i'm just like oh god why goodness um but yeah you know monauga has Hala has talked about this with me before. With the Sierra sounds, you have whoops and knocks in those sounds besides the others. And we kind of generally agree that these are possible Sasquatch sounds,

the whoops and the knocks, and we get those a lot. The whoops and the knocks are more for long-distance communication. The quote-unquote samurai chatter, that's for like in-person conversation type communication. Well, I would say 95% of everything that everybody records is long distance. Most of the stuff that I recorded is at distance. It's not right by the recorder.

I have some things close to the recorder, but generally most of the stuff is distant. So in order to capture, because that was one of my biggest points, I haven't heard a lot of recordings of what Ron captured. Well, I don't think a lot of people, I don't think the Sasquatch get close enough to the recorder to record those kind of communications. So that's why we don't have a lot of examples of it. It's a close communication between each other, whereas the other vocalizations that we suspect they do are meant to carry longer distance. That is very, very interesting. and just, yeah, I'm going to be thinking about that for a while.

Very cool. Thank you, Chris. Have you guys found any hair samples in the nest? Mike has a question for you here. Absolutely, absolutely. A lot of, not shun tell, there have been known animal hair found in there, deer and even dead raccoon hair. What made these nests left a lot of hair? I mean, yes, we've collected it.

And yes. So a lot of questions I get asked is, has any DNA work been done on the hair, which is a legitimate question? Right. Well, this hair is definitely primate-like, as Dr. Meldron will tell you, as Cindy Dosen, a homini enigma out of Canada will tell you,

visually speaking, the problem with doing, and I'm just going to, this wasn't part of the question, but it's always a question that comes up about DNA. The problem with doing DNA on hair, whether it's human or not, is you're looking for a follicle or a medulla,

Well, this hair lacks a medulla, which doesn't match anything up here. Bears have a medulla. Mostly, almost all the animals up here have a medulla. This is very coarse hair. It's untainted with, you know, like, you know, it's primate hair. So it's not got any coloration to it other than natural. It's got a red pigmentation to it underneath a microscope, almost a red pigmentation to it, red granules, which a lot of Sasquot sightings have are reddish color.

Sasquatch, especially up here in the Pacific Northwest. This hair doesn't match bear elk, you name it. It doesn't belong here. It doesn't match anything here. So yes, we've discovered lots of hair, and it matches other suspect hair found throughout the Pacific Northwest. This is Matt Rogers from Los Culture East us with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang. This is Bowen-Yang from Los Culture Easters with Matt Rogers and Bowen-Yang.

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That we kind of put in the category of unknown in possible Sasquatch hair because it doesn't match anything. So whatever made these nests left hair there. So that's fascinating. Yes, hair has been found and has been looked at visually underneath a microscope. And compared to every freaking animal up here and it doesn't match it. And it's not human, but it's very, it is primate. Oh, that's wow. That's wow.

Good question, Mike. I believe this is Joe, buddy Joe Turrey, says, hey, all, I feel that audio tends to be largely ambiguous. What makes you guys believe the sounds you're experiencing are wood ape related? Chris, any thoughts about this? Well, it sound is ambiguous, and by no means do I ever think of proving anything with sound alone. But I'm reviewing this visually, and that means I'm looking at the sound in a spectrogram and looking at the signatures. And I've been doing audio review visually for seven years now. I pretty much know all the known animals visually.

and when our suspect vocals show up, they don't visually match the known animals. Sometimes if they're distance, it can be harder to tell, but the longer you do it, it's one of those things with experience. You see it better, and they just pop out when it's not what you're expecting.

And you got to listen to a lot too. I use the McColley Library Sounded vet stuff. if I suspect it might be canine of some kind, I will look at all the canine calls. If I suspect it's some kind of owl, I look at all the owl calls, and I compare it. And a lot of my files are more ambiguous

because I can't say E or A, but some of the closer stuff, I just mark as unknown because at the end of the day, I don't know what made the call, but I know it was not an owl, and I know it was not a coyote or a canine. what I will say a lot of it is primate-like. A lot of it is really similar to primate vocalizations,

including human being vocalizations. And it's not like you get a lot of these. They don't vocalize a lot for a reason. That's part of the reason they're so elusive. So when you get one of the biggest things that I look for, if I have a vocalization that's repeating itself, and it's pretty much identical every time over a period of time.

I know that's not our target subject. That's going to be something, and it might sound goofy. It might sound like, oh, that could be a primate call. That could be a Sasquatch. But if it's repetitive, I guarantee it's not. It's going to be something else.

And, you know, like I said, it's not that I'm trying to prove Bigfoot exists with audio. What audio is, it's a scouting tool for me. So if there's suspicious audio going on in an area, that's the area I want to be in with my thermal unit. That's the area I want to be in with my cameras. That's the area I want to go hike and look for other physical evidence. That's what audio is for.

It's not for proving anything. So, I hope. Yeah, but I mean, audio does prove a lot of stuff in a lot of ways. It doesn't, it's not going to be end-all be-all when it comes to Saskatch research. But one of the things we do, and I really take pride in, is that we stay in one- area, we're not going anywhere. We stay in one area recording all known animals. Chris has logged thousands of hours and in thousands of recordings of known animals.

We're getting to know coyotes, deer, you know, all your ungulates, bear. We got all sorts. An owl. We're getting to know. And in a lot of cases, Chris can tell you, like he used to, he has an area called X1. He can name the coyotes in that area because he spent years recording that area. We can recognize the signature on a spectrograph because it was the same signature. So that's the key thing is if you're ambulance chasing or going to different areas,

you're never going to learn everything in one area. You're going to maybe learn a little and take a little bit of something away from that area. But when you're in the area for years and years, like I said, this is not a sprint. This is a marathon. If you're in one area and you're pretty sure and competent that something's in that area that's unknown. So it's your Sasquatch. You will capture some stuff like that.

But what you're really going to do by collecting the audio and being there and tracking stuff and finding stuff, just like a hunter would, he's going out scouting for elk or deer or bear. He learns that area. He learns animal sounds. He learns how to call them in. He learns their seasons, their mating seasons, their feeding habits. It's what we're trying to do in this area.

Not that we have. No, that's all I'm saying. But that's what we're trying to do with Sasquatch because they do come through this area. no doubt in my mind periodically. But being in this area for a lengthy period of time and learning your known animals, knowing the seasons, to me, is absolutely 100% key. Yeah, I should say, on top, I've always said,

because in 2015 I started recording in what I call area X1. And even when I started there, I always said I want to create a picture of this area. I want to know this area inside and out. and the audio allows me to do that. It's there when I'm not there. It tells me, you know, like Shane said, with the seasons, different animals show up at different times and make different calls and different sounds. So it tells you a lot about the area as a whole.

And honestly, if you're serious about this subject, you want to know everything not Bigfoot related to the area that you're researching as well. Right. This kind of plays into Alex Petikoff had sent in a question before this. And he said, bring up to Chris about how pretty much he's saying that, you know, you were able to analyze previously recorded what we thought were Bigfoot calls and vocals. And they ended up being coyotes and stuff because you were you were that good with being able to know what different animal sounds. Well, yeah, the coyote thing is like, what's funny is coyotes are crazy in the range of vocalizations they can do. And the coyotes in one area is going to sound different than the coyotes in another area.

And you do use your ears as well as the spectrogram. But just as an example, my area X1, there is one particular coyote. I'm sure he's deceased now. I named him Waldo. and his call had a particular sound to it in a particular signature. And the group, he was the, I'm positive, was the alpha male. Well, his pack was smaller and they made really more wolf-like calls. They weren't really yippy.

The whole pack was really more laid back. It was smaller, a smaller group of animals. And then I was recording 13 miles west of X-1, closer to human habitation and the number of coyotes was at least doubled what was up out away from human habitation and they're really yippy.

I mean totally different characteristics they're making the same kind of calls but completely different characteristics in how they're doing it and when they were doing it. So known animals, that's why you pick an area and you get to know that area because the known animals that use that area

are going to have their own sound. If I go out and start recording in a new area, it takes me a while to get to know that actual area and the way the sound moves in the area and where I have my recorder set up. So it is, like Shane said, this is a long-term thing. It's a long game. And I've always said it. I'm not expecting results right now. I'm expecting to collect enough data that 10 years down the road, I'm going to be able to look at all this sound information and start making some correlations and patterns and, you know, have the information. I'm in collection mode right now. Me and Wes are recording every single night up to next spring. We will have pretty much two years

solid of sound information, dust till dawn, from the nest area. After that, it's all going on. a spreadsheet and that's when the statistical analysis starts and we're all ready just me reviewing it because look I've done 6,000 hours of audio right now and I'm only up to July so I can I I already see some patterns I see some stuff going on but until we start punching the actual hard data and numbers don't lie that's why you do statistical analysis that's why scientists do statistical analysis it's going to tell us a lot of different things. We'll do that when we get to it.

Right now, I just got to review a ton of audio and get it all written down. I'm logging all the sounds that I can, and I'm identifying everything that I record, except for obviously the unknown. I don't know what those are. I have an idea what those are. Yeah. Shane, Tate's got an interesting question here. So you guys go there religiously so they're familiar with you guys.

How does the activity differ? Do you think when you bring outsiders in with you versus just you guys? I would assume this means when you brought STM in versus when it's just you guys and all the Sasquatch are very familiar with the Olympic project members, you know? Well, I mean, yeah, we once again, we assume that are Sasquatch in the area and then we assume they are familiar with us. We don't bring outsiders out. I mean, you know, SDM, yes, small town monsters and them. That was a rarity. We just don't bring outsiders out there because that was a one-off because I respect

Seth Bribilab and the whole small-town monsters and what they're about. We guess all the time, not recently, but in some of your biggest TV shows, I'll tell you right now, some of the biggest Bigfoot shows on TV right now have asked to come out to the nest area. We said no. Why? Because, yep. one, we don't want them out there, too. We don't need them out there.

We don't need our 15 minutes of fame. There's no money involved. And they don't add any value. Small Town Monsters was a, like a one-off. And I got so much respect for Seth and his crew. Oh, yeah. The whole crew, I love them to death because they keep it real, which your 99% of your TV programs out there do not keep it real.

And I won't go into that. And that's why I don't do serious. I've been offered in many series and many TV. I won't do it. I don't care. Sure. I mean, for the research. So when it comes to, does the activity differ?

Well, when we brought small town monsters out there, honestly, I mean, even when we go out to the woods, we don't expect anything to happen. You know, we camp out, we hope, we thirm. And nine times out of ten, nothing happens. That's just the truth. You know, we don't see a deer. We don't see a bear. We don't hear anything. Occasionally, we strike gold.

And so when we brought Seth in them out there, it wasn't quite the best time of year to be out there. And we were going off of their schedule and what they had provided us. So we had to bring them out there. But we don't bring people outsiders out there because it's other than if it's an academic individual. And once again, I've brought lots of academic individuals out there over the years. And we never had anything happen. So I really don't know how to answer that question correctly because it's, it's, Like when you're going into an area just on a one-off,

chances are nothing going to happen. You have to spend a lot of time in this area. And even though they may be getting, maybe getting familiar with us, I mean, I go out there a lot and nothing happens. It's just one of those things you have to document this up and pay attention. And it's really a seasonal thing,

in my opinion, when your best chances to have stuff happen. I love the fall months. I love the fall. I love the wintertime. Because this area is very, it's got his own microclimate. to speak. And so, you know, you could have snow in some of these areas. And this one area doesn't

really get a whole lot of snow. And some of the bears will still be there even into February, which is crazy. But, and then you still get the salmon and stuff. So we just don't bring a whole lot of people out there, especially outsiders. And I'm not noticed any, any abnormal stuff, even through the audio recordings. Go ahead, Chris. I was just going to say that, yeah, Yeah, there's been, okay, so we've been doing this since, well, 2021, the beginning of 2021. And actually, you've been going out there more than that. And in 2020 is when I first put a LTR out there and stuff. We've got like four, five instances where we're pretty sure they got close to us in a two-year period.

So stuff doesn't happen all the time. And we, yeah, we get excited and I tell you what I possibly had a siding here and we possibly had this happen. But this is Matt Rogers from Los Culture Rees with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This is Bowen Yang from Los Culture Rees with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. Spend your balance instantly with the Venmo debit card and earn up to 5% cashbacks on your favorite bundle of brands when you join Venmo's stash. Your rewards come from bundles of brands you can keep or switch every 30 days. So you can choose the ones that Matt. every day spending. The more you do with Venmo, the more you get. Earn 2% cash back when you set up

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These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Like Shane said, nine times out of ten, absolutely nothing happens. When STM came out and stuff, I had LTRs out, and I don't recall any. I'd have to look at my notes, but I'm pretty sure there was no suspect activity at all on those recorders for the time that they were out there. So, yeah, I look at it as we're going in there passively. And if they're there when we're there, if they're bored or curious, they might get close to us and check us out. But I think most of the time they just ignore us and do whatever they're going to do,

honestly. Hmm. Very. How much longer do you guys have access to the nest area? No idea. Okay. It's just like it could be tomorrow. You're cut off.

You don't know. Yeah, it could be tomorrow. Wow. Now, we do have. So this area is so vast. I've been exploring other areas just even recently. So even if this one area gets taken up, we've not been told they're going to take the keys away from us.

So I have keys to gates. And I can venture into a lot of different areas that, I've been, you know, I'm always forward thinking. I'm like, okay, you know, not just if this area gets taken away, but where else can we do long duration recordings? Where else can we go camp out? Where else can we therm? Where else can we explore?

And this are so vast. There's multiple spots. I just spent last week, I did a long drive checking out new gates, seeing which gates I could get into and where they led. And so I've got a lot of areas picked out my brain. this area could be logged tomorrow to be logged five years for now. As far as I know, they don't have permits

to log this area anytime soon and they've given us a blessing to keep doing what we're doing. This timber company is intrigued by what we're doing, intrigued by what the timber surveyor found and what the timber owner got to, he got to look at this area too and he was like, wow. And so they're intrigued.

And so it's just one of those things where it's such a blessing. It's such an amazing thing that we have access to this area. Anytime we want, free to do whatever we want with the lack of humans being out there. You know, we can drive two miles behind a lock gate and then park and then hike way the heck out and do our thing. Not, I don't know many people that can do that. And so we're going to capitalize on that. And I'm looking at the bigger picture. Where else can we go?

Where else could there be more nests? even older nest made five years ago. Now that I know and that we know, kind of what we're looking for and what we're looking at, there's got to be more nests out there. And that's why I always encourage people. You know, I don't want to hear structures. I'm just me.

I'm not, I'm into structures. But when you say a nest, I want to see personally, I want to see the same thing that we've been looking at. And it's been far and few between. But they're out there. I guarantee they're out there somewhere else. And you can argue what's making these nests,

but something's making. them and but you're not going to find them next to a trail you're going to find them in a remote hard to get to area don't go by yourself because there are a lot of things that you get hurt or you can hurt or have a medical condition take someone with you right get off trail and find these things that there's more out there and that's what excites me i want other people to replicate our what we were led to find yeah if you if you go in an area where there's a history of saskatch reports and you look at all the nice hiking trails around it, stay away from those.

Look at the deepest, steepest, nastiest pile of blackberries you'd never think of walking through and go in there. Is there ever, is there a plan for a book of some sorts to come out from the Olympic project eventually? Has that been thrown around or? Oh, man, it gets thrown around all the time. I've had a lot of people ask, me if I have a book, if I'm writing a book,

I think if anybody should write a book, it should be Derek Randalls. He's been at this a lot longer than most of us. David Elsa is another name I'll throw in there. It should be maybe a collaborative effort, but I keep prodding Derek to write a book. If I were to ever write a book and I don't plan on it, I want this story's not done.

I don't want to write a book and then have to write a sequel to it. I want to write a book. If I ever do, you know, I can write about reports I've taken. I want to capitalize the whole phenomenon and not just what I've experienced, but with I've experienced with others. And quite honestly, if I write a book, I kind of want some answers. I don't want another ambiguous book with a lot of questions. I want to write a book that maybe very erronely, I'm going to say this, has some answers

that people can go to and read and go, okay. You know, so I have no interest right now writing a book. I've been offered stuff. And could I read a book? Sure. Chris could write a book. Todd Hill could write a book. Many of the Olympic project members could write a book.

Many Bigfoot related investigators could write a book. I have no pool to write a book. I love sharing my stuff on podcasts and getting feedback and learning stuff from people. Because I don't know everything and I know very little. So why would I write a book at this point? Maybe down the road. Yeah, I would love to hear, I would love to read the Todd Hale book personally. I'll read all your books, but the Todd Hale book would be amazing.

Chris, sorry, go ahead. Oh, no, I just, I eventually will write a book because I like to write. But that's going to be when I can no longer hike or walk or where I'm bedridden. It's going to be when I have to stay home when I can't go out in the woods anymore. That's when I'll take the time to write something down. I mean, I write stuff down all the time, but something to make into a book. Yeah, that'll happen when I'm not out in the field anymore. Let's start to wind down with this.

So a question for both of you guys. Personally, what do you have as your goal that you hope is accomplished through your work with the Olympic project? Me? Go ahead. Yeah, go ahead, Chris. So not, then I'll try me. I'm just waiting for Shane. My goal is to learn as much as possible about Sasquatch as I can.

And to collect as much physical evidence and visual evidence as I can. Will it happen anytime soon? Don't know. But I just keep trying. At the end of the day, I'm not going out there just to tell stories. I'm going out there to collect evidence. And it might be just audio right now, but that's not the only reason I'm going out there. I want more than the audio.

The audio is just a small piece of the puzzle, in my opinion. Yeah, I agree. Hey, thanks, Rebecca. So here's the thing. I would love to see Sasquots proven to exist. honestly. Once again, keep using this word,

but I won't be so arrogant to say that I'll be able to do it or the only project will be able to do it, be able to do it. But if we can help that endeavor by accumulating data, working with others, sharing stuff, and it eventually gets Earth, that'd be fantastic. My ultimate goal, period.

I am not a scientist. I am Shane Corson, field investigator, an avid outdoorsman, hiker, fishmen, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. My ultimate goal, you know, if I kick the bucket tomorrow, I hope I've made this subject matter less taboo. That's my ultimate go, as John Bindernagoe wanted. And that literally is my ultimate goal to make this subject matter less taboo, that people can talk about it, share experiences,

and maybe get similar with this damn phenomenon, because the Sasquatch is a real thing. It is a real thing. Absolutely 100%. I don't mind saying that. You know, I don't state a lot of stuff as fact, but Sasquatch are real. They're out there. There's no doubt about it in my brain, not even a little bit.

So I want to make the subject matter less taboo, excuse me. And so if I can do that with a lot of my, I mean, the people I work with are fantastic. And we can accumulate data and share that data and get something more substantial than it's out there now. then I think we've made an impact. I've made an impact and that's all I want. You know, if we can prove it exists, that'd be fantastic. But that's a long, that's a, I don't expect that to happen. Do I want to happen?

Sure. But if we can, man, I tell you, in the last, I would say the last seven years, I've seen amazing things happen. Amazing. With academia, with the social aspect. to this, you know, I mean, there's some good and there's some bad. There'll be some bad. Yeah.

You know, I just shrug off the bad. I don't care about the bad because if you're just taking one step forward at a time, you know, you make it a step back, but then two steps forward, it makes it all worthwhile. And I know I'm not going anywhere. The Lember project's not going anywhere. We're in this for the long run, you know, and we're very optimistic and excited and we have fun. And that, you know, that's awesome. This is such a, this is such a worthy and great endeavor.

when you're out in the outdoors, man, you're living life. And a lot of people can't do that. And I don't take that for granted. And so shows like this, Jeremiah, you know, the Bigfoot Society and a lot of shows, I'll just say this. A lot of people live through us vicariously that actually get out to the woods. And like I said, I don't take that for granted. Yeah.

Because they can't. They're physically on. They're physically. They can't. Mentally they can't financially. All that stuff. A lot of us can. And so if I can share stuff through venues like such as this, this fine show here, then we're doing something.

And that's good. I appreciate that. You know, I will say something real quick in regards to that. There was a point where this is maybe a year ago where I was like, yeah, do I keep going with this? And then I had a listener tell me the only reason they got through the pandemic mentally was because they were listening to my show. and it quite literally kept them alive. And I said, okay, I'll do it forever. I don't care.

And I love doing this. But I was like, wow, you know, doing this stuff like you said, it really does help out people. But yeah, that's just my two cents. But guys, it's been a fantastic hour and a half chat with you guys. Let's close things out with, take a few minutes. to share how people can keep up to date with what you're doing and also any closing thoughts that you have. And Chris, we can start with you.

Oh, I have a YouTube channel called Tudel River Skookum. Tristee, Tudel River Valley, Schook, I'm sorry. I don't even know my YouTube channel's name. Chris Spencer. And I try to put up, I put up known animal. sounds as well as some of the suspicious stuff. Probably about every six months I put stuff up. You can go there if you want to link that in your show.

Oh, definitely. No, it's the stuff. And then if you want to put my email in there too, you can to get a hold of me. I was just going to add one or a thing. Yeah. To what Shane was saying, you know, at the end of the day, science is not fast. Everything takes time.

I see us moving forward, no matter what people think. We're moving forward, and as long as we keep moving the subject forward, that's the end goal. Whether we do anything, whether I do anything, as long as I'm helping so that in the future somebody else can accomplish what we'd like to see accomplish now,

that's the goal. You know, if the N-A-W-A-C, puts one on the slab next week. Great. But I want to push the subject forward. I want to push people into a more scientific direction. I want to help those that want to do what we're doing. So maybe the mistakes I make now will help someone in the future not make the same mistakes.

That's awesome. Yeah. I love it. Love it. Shane? Well, I'm a simple man. I'm a simple man from Washington State. Um, yeah, I'd like, uh, you know, if people want to reach out to me, you can find me on

Facebook or Twitter or Instagram, the usual, the usual places. Um, uh, I've been a little laxadaisal with Monstrox radio. I've been so busy, you know, uh, the last couple years for everybody have been really tough, you know, with, with COVID and everything else. And it's, you know, I'm raising a, almost 11 year old now and she takes a lot of my time, but I love every second of it. And so between work and everything else, um, Monster X is kind of taking a, backseat, but Monster X Radio, I promise we'll be back. I keep telling these guys like Chris, I'm all we're going to record. I just haven't done it. But we will be back. But yeah, reach out to me the usual spots. We have Olympp Project.com, which has kind of been on the back burner

a little bit. It is our website, Johnny, Johnny Manson actually kind of runs that whole thing, you know, with the Sasquatcham. He's a big part of what the Olymp project does online. He's behind the scenes, but we got some plans for some stuff down the road here. where we'll be sharing more stuff. You know, we're not trying to hide stuff or anything. It's just, we get busy and we like the better stuff,

you know, and sometimes that takes years to do. I'm sorry. It's just because we find it a really interesting impression doesn't mean we throw it right online or really good vocal or, you know, whatever have you.

We don't, that's one thing the only project doesn't do. It's just throw stuff out there because it just, you know, and then it's like showboating. It creates controversy, it creates arguments.

A lot of people like that. And, hey tweet your own we keep a lot of close to hip and we like to if we put something out public we want people to really respect that and it'll showcase the amount of work we've done with it you know barcateino is a great friend of mine a great friend of ours and he's got some of the best thermal footage out there but it wasn't released for years later until he really vetted it and it's probably some of the best thermal footage out there period so that's just kind of our angle so don't be frustrated if you guys honestly

anybody that's listening to the show, what I like to do and showcase stuff is at supposiums at conferences where I can interact with people and they can see me, they can talk to me, there's no miscommunication. When I post something on a slide and talk about it, they can ask me a question.

They can sometimes physically look at stuff. That's where I really like to share stuff because it's one-on-one. I can get questions in person. There's no shadiness. There's none of that. So that's why I like to do some posiums in conferences, not because I'm a name in the field. But when I get invited, because I never asked to speak at these.

None of us do. When we're invited, chances I might speak there. But I get to showcase the Olympic project, some of the stuff we're working on. And I get to hear from people. I get their feedback. I get to learn what they're doing, what they found. And so that's the best opportunity to, to engage with the O.P and ask questions and whatnot.

So yeah, I'll end with that. Fantastic. If you want to know more about the Olympic Project, go over to www. Olympicproject.com, I believe it's the website. And there's a lot of info there. You can see how many people are on the team. There's a lot of people that are really cool on the team.

Get familiar with those. But guys, thanks so much for coming on. You both are awesome. and just got to talk to you, Chris. It seems like not too long ago, but Shane, it's good to catch up with you, dude. It's been a while. But again, thanks for coming on and thanks to everyone in the chat for hanging out tonight. No problem.

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