Bigfoot Society - Class A LBL Bigfoot Encounter / Belly Crawl Bigfoot of Washington

Episode Date: March 3, 2024

In this episode of Bigfoot Society, I'm rereleasing interviews with BFRO researchers Scott Taylor and Larry Sidwell. Scott (recorded 10/31/22) is a BFRO researcher from Washington and shares about his thoughts regarding "woo" related Bigfoot researcher. Eye glow and cloaking are some of the topics. Scott also shares very detailed information about what occurs during a BFRO investigation and also great witness encounters from the PNW.Larry (recorded 11/4/22) shares his multiple encounters from over the years, including one with a Bigfoot pressing down on his tent. Larry also gives some great advice for newer Bigfoot researchers as well.Resources:http://www.bfro.netShare your Bigfoot encounter here: [e-mail]🔴 Subscribe to hear more Bigfoot encounters: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: [e-mail]

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Bigfoot Society. In this episode, I talked to two BFRO researchers, Scott Taylor, and Larry Sidwell, about their experiences researching Bigfoot in Washington, West Virginia, and Kentucky. If you have experienced something similar to what these two have or have more information regarding Bigfoot or other cryptids in the same areas, please reach out immediately to me after this episode. Remember, your encounter could be the key to unlocking this mystery once and for all, so please don't hesitate to contact me at Bigfoot Society at gmail.com. All right, Bigfoot Society. We have Mr. Scott Taylor with us today. Scott, how's it going? It's going really good this fine fall day. Awesome. Yeah, it's a beautiful one out here in Iowa for sure. And I'm sure it's even more beautiful out there in the Pacific Northwest. But let's get down to it. I wanted to talk to a BFRO investigator. And so I did a little dig in the citing reports on the website. And your name comes up a lot for Washington.

You're all over the place. So, Scott, can you tell us a little background about yourself and how you got into the whole Bigfoot thing and all that good stuff? Okay. I've been a lifelong hunter and fisherman and all that and been out in the woods a lot. And it's totally ambivalent about the subject of Bigfoot's. I had seen the Patterson Gimlin film when I was a kid and all that, watched the TV shows in search of with Leonard Nimoy and all that. So there was a little bit of an interest there. But 2005, I was deer hunting only about 10 miles west of where I currently live and had an encounter there.

And that just turns your world upside down as soon as you have an encounter because this so-called myth is suddenly real. And everything you thought you knew about the world is different. So my coping mechanism was not only to shoot my mouth off a lot at work about it, it was also to start learning everything I could. So I was digging into books on the internet, looking at the stories, and just trying to learn everything I could. And then I saw the BFRO website had the expeditions that you could sign up for and go. And this will be fun. So I signed up for an expedition the summer of 2006 and had a great time. I met some awesome friends, got to meet Bob Gimlin, got to listen to his whole story.

It took a seem three hours where we told the whole thing, all the details. Details you'll never read anywhere. And just really enjoyed it and made, like I said, made a lot of friends. We started networking and started meeting up and doing a little bit of squatching and learning from each other. And I was asked to be an investigator because of the interest I showed. And so I said, sure, I'll do that. And so I got signed up for it and they taught me the ropes of how to do an investigation and use the BFRO is a huge database. And there's around 75,000 reports in there right now. Wow. And I just started

doing reports about two a month. I've since slowed down, you know, life, life changes, work, responsibilities change. COVID came along. We had to, I took an early layoff, basically in early retirement, but it was layoff from Boeing and moved out to our place, which, is out in the forest. I've got a clear cut to the west. I got woods to the north, woods to the east, woods to the south, nearest neighbors a quarter mile away. I thought, okay, I want to live out here where they live. But anyway, I'm backing up to doing reports and that kind of thing. I was just looking at my log book. I'm up to almost 190 reports that I've followed up on. Wow. A lot of them, maybe half, turn out to be absolutely nothing. The people won't get

back to you, you call them up, they won't return your calls. Just nothing there. But there's a good percentage of them that are really solid. Eyeball sightings, what we call class Bs, where you hear wood knocks and you might hear vocalizations and rock clacking and tree breaking and that kind of thing. And then there's the real good nuggets are the reports where there's habituation going on, where these people live out in the forest or out in a rural area, they've got forest around them, and they realize that something's going on with something that's sharing their property with them. Tools might get moved around if they're left out, might disappear, find them out on a trail somewhere. Dogs get beat up, have problems.

Funny things like there might be stick structures found on the property. There might be actual sightings, glyphs, rock patterns left on their back porch or something like that. Go, where do these five rocks come from? Five rocks. Hey, there's five people in the family. Oh, they're acknowledging that. Oh, man. Really?

And it's also a journey. When I started out, you got this notion, this preconceived idea that you're dealing with a great big wood ape, something that is just like a super elusive priming. that's out there, which makes the whole problem easy to wrap your head around. But then as you go along and you learn and you learn and you have experiences, you compare notes with other investigators, you go on a bunch of expeditions and compare notes with a lot of other people, plus the experiences you have following up on reports, you find out there's more to it, a lot more to it.

They're not just a dumb wood ape. They're smart. They have their own norms. things that they do everywhere. Some groups will do more wood knocking in some areas and other groups will do more whoops and hollers. And it just depends on that local family or clan in the region. But they all do similar things. You'll have your vocalization. You'll have your wood knocking. You'll have your tree breaking. You'll have rock clacking. You'll have glyphs. You'll have stick structures. You'll have subtle signs that they're around. But it's the same.

everywhere, all the way from Florida to Alaska and from Southern California, all the way up to Maine, all over. They're doing similar kinds of things. That is fascinating. I'm glad you answered my question without me asking it, which is nice. The whole, what do you think Bigfoot is? And that's a very interesting explanation. It's very cool. But I'm curious, I would assume you've been on tons of expeditions, right?

All over the place, going out with a BFRO. You're out there in the Pacific Northwest. Has there been a time where you've been like, I'm in too deep, this is too crazy, or I don't want to be here right now because of what's happening? Has there been that level? Not for me personally. Okay. But I do see that in other people. Okay.

When you start down this journey of learning this, it will reach a point where some people cannot go further. And that's where we get into what everybody calls woo-woo stuff. You're talking early on. The idea of eye glow was woo. Sure. And people would say, people with PhDs would say, that's impossible. But they didn't understand what was actually happening there because they're not out in the field. When you got people out in the field and they're seeing eye glow and two big eyes that are eight feet up peeking out from behind a tree, it's really happening.

I don't care that the PhD says it's impossible. possible. It's really happening. And other things like cloaking, being able to just cloak out, can't see them until they move. When they move, you can see them on the movie Predator. Right. Yeah, exactly. And they can do that. And people have gotten videos of that. I've personally seen it myself. So I know that they do it. The great video that Barb Schoop got on our channel, squashing with Barb and Gabby, yeah, Barb and Gabby. Okay. That's her dog. He passed on. But anyway, excellent cloaker video. They do this stuff.

But then there's people that say, that's impossible. I can't wrap my head around that. And that's okay. But that's where you're going to stop. You're not going to keep learning because they've got a lot to teach us if we'll listen. As soon as we're done listening, then we're done. You're not going to progress any further. But then it can take you down a rabbit hole that is pretty mind-blowing. And you find out there's a lot of different things out of. there besides just our big forest friends. You've actually experienced you've seen cloaking done by Bigfoot in the field. Do you mind talking about how that was or what you experienced? First time, me and two friends, a gal and her son, had gone out to explore this area that's south of Tacoma, Washington, about 25 miles.

It's an area that was set aside formerly logging land, but it was set aside. to be a state park. And since it's been developed, but old logging roads, and we were just walking out on the logging roads, just walking around. And there had been a number of really good sightings around the area, reported, followed it up on just a half a mile away where they were having things happen real regularly,

you know, every week something was going on. And we're just walking out on our way back to the truck. And we heard a big something moving, from our right to our left, and it walked up across the road right in front of us, but it was all blurry and shimmery. But the thing was huge. And then as it walked off the left side of the roads through the trees, we could see the trees moving.

And then it seemed to stop about 50 yards in, completely out of sight, and this beautiful, big, loud whistle came to us. And so the gal I was with, she's really good at whistling. I'm not so good at. She is really good at whistling. And they whistled back and forth, that little exchange for about four times. And then we just heard it walk away. Got bored with us.

Definitely three of us. Okay. I was going to ask that. All three members of the party saw that shimmering as it moved. Yeah. That's incredible. What is that? So, yeah.

Is that something you hear a lot come up in reports for the areas out there? No. No. No. Okay. So the general part. public that turns in reports have, it's new to them. The whole concept of Bigfoot is new to them. They would never think to tie those things together. As a matter of fact, they would never even

notice that something like that had happened more than likely. We don't, I have never seen reports come in that talk about the woo stuff because it's just that's so far down the spectrum of understanding for the general public that it's just not associated with it. It's more what the ghost hunters would pick up on. And a lot of times when I watch some of the TV shows about the ghost hunting people, I'm going, hey, they're dealing with a Bigfoot and they don't know it. But that's interesting. That's interesting. Yeah. Okay. That's very interesting. I never thought that way. But yeah, totally uncertain areas. That could be the case. That's wild to think about. Do you think that Bigfoot cloaking would fall in the field of what some consider

woo? My personal opinion is that it's going to be mainstream. And it already is starting to become that as more and more people experience it. Learn that it happens. And once you learn that it happened, you learn to watch out for it. And like I said, the idea of I grow that was considered woo at one time. And it's not now. Every experience Bigfooter knows, watch out for I glow at night when you're doing your night walks because that's the first thing you're going to see. That kind of thing and other things. They'll gradually become mainstream. They call that stuff paranormal.

Yeah. Paranormal just is normal. We don't understand. Exactly. You don't know the mechanism that it's happening with. But if you just think back, do a little mental exercise. Say you took somebody from your 1500 and you took them to Walmart and you walk up to the front door. Not only are the cars and everything driving around going to freak them out.

But you walk up to the door and the door just magically opens. To them magically opens. Now, we today, because we understand the mechanisms, we know there's a little radar thing up there and it detects the presence of a person and it opens up. But to them, that would be sorcery. Absolutely. Paranormal. They wouldn't get it.

There's a lot out there, us humans, as modern as we think we are, we still don't understand. There's so many parts of the spectrum. that we can't or we can't see with the type of technological instruments we have right now, who knows what's actually out there. And that could be all over the place, not just Bigfoot, could be other stuff too. But has there been a time when you've been out in the field where you've been able to see, get a really good look at like a face-to-face encounter or anything like that? the one where I was that I could have done that was at night.

Okay. And he was only three feet away. Three feet away. Three feet away. Yeah. He wanted to grab me. He could have grabbed me. And it was fun.

They were having fun with us. We had a group that was night walking. We went out to the end of the road. We all sat down. Summertime, 10.30, 11 o'clock. It was still light to the northwest. Night vision was fully formed. We could see pretty good.

and we were approached from three different directions. Oh, man. And they weren't being, they weren't being stealthy about it. They were just stomping. They came down to watch us. So who's watching, who? Who's observing? Anyway, this one had crossed the road and was lying in the grass.

And half of the group got so scared because of this that they wanted to be taken out. And so I'm going, geez, you came all this way. This is what you're here for, people. And this is what you're here for. And now they're here. Let's make lemons or lemonade out of lemons. So I said, okay, here's the plan. Half the group stays and observes what they do when I walk out with basically the children and their mom.

And walking up the road, it had belly crawled across the road. Somebody saw it. Nobody was listening to that young man. But they saw it. Walk right up even with it on my side of the road and it gets up. Let's go, girls. So you've been taking one of these little pink pills daily? Yeah.

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got up and we all, I was startled. I turned around like I was going to hit it with my walking stick. The woman and her kids were screaming. Anyway, it just turned and dove off the side of the hill down the hill. So it didn't do anything other than scared a heck out of us. Yeah. And to me, that was one of the most fun encounters I've ever had. But other sightings have been a little more of a distance.

I saw a little one look like a four foot tall cousin, it walking across the basically running across the road in front of us, only about 50 yards in front of the vehicle. That was pre-dash camera days. Ran across the road. Coming back, same day. Coming back, getting ready to turn into the clearing where we had our main base camp. And a great big one, full adult walks across the road, about 200 yards down the road in front of us. And they are so fast, I had my camera out.

I had it on. I had my finger on the button. And he walks out, my passenger said, there he is. But my tension was already on making my turn. Yeah. So by the time I looked up to where it was and got my finger to push the button, he was already gone. Oh, man.

I didn't get him. But on that expedition, several other people did. Because you could go to that spot where we were, put your camera up, walk, you know, face it down the road. In about the same time every evening, he'd cross the road right there. That's crazy. a couple of hundred yards away. Wow, that's like repeatable behavior.

That's wild, man. Yeah. I love it. They have fun with us. Yeah. That's one thing about a BFRO expedition. You create an enticing, fun atmosphere. You have, not only do you have the guys there, but you have women there, you have kids there.

Kids are welcome. One expedition, we had kids riding around on bikes and talking on the radios and have a great time. It's a fun kind of a deal where you don't have to say, to the kids, shh, quiet, you're going to scare the Bigfoot. You want them to notice that you're there and everybody's thinking about them. So we're putting out this Bigfoot vibe and at least I think so. And they're picking up on that and they're going, we got to go see what's going on with these people. And we had one time, everybody's sitting around the campfire and adults have been doing whoops and that kind of thing, getting nothing in response. We said, hey kids, do a whoop.

So all the kids, one, two, three, all the kids went whoop. And we got an instant response. Really? They were, yeah, they were keyed in on those kids. And so because of the atmosphere that you create, fun, non-threatening, interesting, singing, laughing, joking, having a good time, but also being serious about it, but not so serious that you look like you're hunting. Sure. 85% of the time, my guess is you'll have something happen. And that's pretty regular.

We had one this summer where it was an expedition where not a lot happened, but we did have one good sighting. And also when the whole group was at the main base area having a meeting, one decided he was going to leave some footprints where we could find them. Wow. And left a great big one. coves everything for some people to cast. So they'll furtively play around with you even if they don't want to get too involved with what's going on. They'll at least let you know they're around. Roughly how many different expeditions do you think you've been involved with over the years?

Probably 15. Wow. Let's pretend you have someone, they're coming out on the expedition. It's their first time. How would you like that person to be prepared? prepared to be able to handle themselves in a Bigfoot expedition? What kind of stuff do they need? Okay.

All you really need, you don't need a lot. You need proper clothing footwear. You need proper camping gear because you're going to have your own tent and your sleeping bag and all that kind of thing. Just the regular camera. I prefer your standard digital camera over a cell phone. The reason I don't prefer the cell phone, and that's just me, though, is because it leaves as part of the metadata.

latitude and longitude. That's a good point. And if you don't know how to scrub that off of there, other people can go figure out exactly where you were. So I shy away from that, especially when I'm dealing with a habituation site. I don't want people to know where that is. Getting back to your question,

a headlamp that has red, a good walking stick, something you can use for scale when you take pictures. The most frustrating thing for an investigator is to have somebody send them a picture of what looks like a really nice footprint. And you can't tell how big it is. But not all big footprints are big. They have babies, little tiny feet all the way up, 21, 22 inches. Having something for scale, they'll need that.

And then other than that, a pack with your basic things that you need in it, a compass, water. If they want to bring something to make castings with, HydroCal is better. But don't bring plaster of Paris. That does not really work that well. It's not structurally strong enough. Okay. In my opinion, HydroCal, which you get a lot of building supplies, especially building supplies, a deal with masonry.

You can get that, bring that along. I used to carry it in my pack, and my back started hurting me. That stuff's heavy. Okay. I keep it in a tote at camp. If we find something, I'll go get it. But that kind of thing. And then the other thing is be emotionally ready to deal with.

this subject. Some people aren't there. We always have a talk first night of what to expect. So people are primed for it. We don't tell them about the woo stuff. That will sometimes turn people off because they're not ready for that. But we tell them, if you have some weird things happening, I don't care how weird it is, come talk to us. And usually there's an expedition staff member there who understands that stuff and can maybe clear it up for them. But we don't want to pre-prime them to be seeing cloak big foots everywhere. We just want them to just experience what happens out there. Most activity is in the dark at night. When I do night walks, I insist on the light, none, not even the red light.

Okay. Have the light, the flashlight with you or the headlamp with you. But it's for emergencies. If somebody gets hurt, trips over something, we need to deal with a medical emergency. Yeah, turn on the headlights. If something were to happen that was people were feeling very threatened, okay, you can hit the white lights. It'll stop.

They'll go away. You can leave and defuse a situation. You're there to have an experience, no lights. After 15, 20 minutes in the dark, on no moon light, you can see everybody. You can see what's on the road. You can see what the rocks are. People's night vision is a lot better than most people realize because they never go do it. To me, one of the most fun and interesting things is seeing the scenes that you see in the dark.

You're not just seeing black. You're seeing things, but it's from a perspective that humans generally don't get to see. And it's beautiful. Not only that, but that's when they're out. So if you want to have the highest chance of having an encounter, that's when you do that. And let the people in the group split apart a little bit, some ahead, some behind. Sometimes we want to come out, walk between the groups, follow in the first group. They'll follow along to the side.

there was one time where the group had seen one on a thermal and walked, just what kept going and walked up to where that was. Then they saw two of them off about 50 yards away. And so they all just stopped. And the girls started singing a song and swaying back and forth. Okay. And the guys with the people with the thermals were watching them. And the Sasquatches were swaying back and forth with the girls. as they were singing the song.

And that's not uncommon to have that kind of thing happen. I've even heard reports where there's been audio captured where it's like it almost sounds like singing. Oh yeah, they sing. Have you experienced that yourself? I have heard recordings that a good friend of mine did of them singing basically a lullaby to an infant. That's kind of what it sounded like. It sounded like or even almost. like an old, hard digs, like an old hymn.

It's just very weird. They love music. They love music. That's a good technique for getting them to come in and understand that the group that they're dealing with is friendly, is not a threat. Play music. Now, if you go out there and you play heavy metal headband music, they're not going to have anything to do with you.

But if you play something that is peaceful and sweet sounding and soothing, they've got to come listen. And if you do the same thing, night after night, the longer you do it, the more they'll come. Do you think there's any talking about call blasting? Have you ever heard of people using like a baby cry to try? Do you find that effective or it just leads to weird stuff? Mixed results.

Okay. Mixed results. We've had everything from nothing happening to so much. much going on that everybody wish they'd never tried it. That's what I hear a lot. Yeah, they have in the past come in very aggressively because they're not sure if it's one of their kids or one of our kids because when they're infants, you can't tell the difference. Have you ever experienced times where things have started to get more aggressive or not,

or hopefully not, I don't know how you look at it, but no, not really. Okay, good. Most of the time, it's respectful on both sides. You see it on some of the TV shows where there's a big foot over there. Run at it. Yeah. You're nuts. Not a smart move.

You need some help with what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to stand there, film it, thermal it, collect all the data you can. But if you run at it, it's going to go away. It's not going to stick around and wait for you to catch up. So no bluff charging is what you're saying. No. So people have had those experiences. Witnesses have had those experiences.

For instance, a guy who say hunting and he's checking out a draw that he's never hunted before and it's pretty rough and remote to get into. And he starts going up in there and he gets the heby-g-be vibe. Maybe I shouldn't be here. But he presses on through that. Most people take that tent and leave. Right. But he presses on through that.

And he's going in an area where their family is. So they're going to kick him out. and he's going to get screamed at. He's going to get rocks thrown at him. One thing they like to do is grab a big tree limb and just snap it off and it makes a lot of noise. It's very startling. They're just trying to get him to turn around and leave. There are people who have taken that hint, started leaving, and it basically escorts them out.

They think they're being chased. They think they're running for their lives. They think that if they stop, they're going to get grabbed and killed. But no, no, they're just being hurt. out. One fellow I knew of that he was running away and he tripped and fell and he expected to be killed. Wow. And all it did is it stopped and waited for him to get up. That's weird, man.

He took off running. It just kept up with him. They are so incredibly fast that if they want to catch you, you're done. Man. They will catch you. There is no human that can run as fast as what they can. their intent is not to hurt you. Their intent is to make you leave. Take the hint. That is very interesting.

Oh, man. Scott, this has been a awesome conversation. Thank you so much for coming on. Crazy to think we're already at the end of the time, but I could see maybe sometime in the future. If you're up for it, maybe we'll have a follow-up interview because it sounds like you got stories on stories

and some good advice. But is there a way that people can keep up to what? you're doing or just keep an eye on the BFRO or what do you say? I would say just keep an eye on the BFRO website, look for reports recently added. Sure. Not all of them that we do get published. Some of them, the witness doesn't want it published. Others are just, it could be anything. But that would be the best way to do it. I'm going to be speaking this year at the Sasquatch Summit in Ocean Shores, Washington. Okay. That's November 18th and 19th, February. leave. That's usually a really good event. A lot of fun. People can come to that. I've spoken

other places, libraries and Boy Scout troops and that kind of thing. But I don't have a website of my own. I prefer to let my work stand on the quality of the reports that we do. I love it. Thank you for coming on, sir. Okay. You're very welcome. Thanks for coming back to another Bigfoot Society episode. this time we have Larry Sidwell from West Virginia. How's it going, Larry? Very good. How are you? I'm doing great, having a great central Iowa day, nice and windy, but the sun's out. I'm loving it.

How's it over there in West Virginia? It's warm, sunny, and windy also. Gotta love it. These are just now starting into peak around here, so it's really nice. I'm having you on today, Larry, because I got this crazy idea that, It would be cool to chat with a few BFRO investigators. So I did some dig in through the reports on BFRO.net. And the cool thing about that website is it tells who the investigator was that was involved with the case.

Reached out to a few. You were nice enough to agree to coming on the podcast. And this is your first time chatting on a podcast, right? Yes, it is. I'm excited. That's awesome. The other cool thing about the BFRO is that they have a little write-up about the investigator. I'm seeing you've gone, I would say, at least 25 expeditions over the years going back through 2012.

It's pretty impressive. Oh, thank you. And I've got a few more. I've got to add on. We just did a Pleasant Hill Lake thing with Matt Moneymaker in Ohio. Oh, yeah. We're grown flight. And I just got back from the Kentucky Big,

the KBRO's expedition. And so when I believe two weeks we're going to East Tennessee, Lori Wade has an expedition in East Tennessee. She always does two or three a year. So got more to do. Wow, that's amazing. You are getting all over the place. I love that.

I just actually talked to a gentleman from East Tennessee. He had some pretty wild stories. He had some folklore tales, and he was talking about some sightings his family had over the year. of Bigfoot-type creatures, and it just seems like that eastern Tennessee area, there's some wild stuff up in that hills, for sure. Yeah, I'm anxious to get down there. I've been in North Georgia and Western North Carolina,

but I've not done the eastern Tennessee yet. So this will be interesting. I guess it's a Cherokee National Forests where it's going to be. Okay. Larry, let's start with the beginning. What was it that first got you into the big footing thing? What was it that first got you're into? trust. I did when I was growing up, I saw the old Patterson Gimlin film in my hometown

theater on one Saturday afternoon and I saw it. And I was a believer at that point. But then I, years ago, you're working, going through school and everything got away from it. Then I saw the BFRO's website and saw that they had an expedition coming up in Kentucky. And I signed up for that one. And it had to be postponed for some reason. He's not going to remember then. And I ended up transferring to the West Virginia expedition. And that was in 2012 and went. And we had tons of activity on that expedition.

The first night we were out on the trail, I was the guy with the guy named Tyler Bounds, who was this big northwest. North Western, I don't know if you know. I've heard the name. Yes. Yeah. He was our leader one group. We had a home run knock. that first night. And I was sold at that point. There was no way it was anything other than

something hitting it. It was like a biggest four by four in the woods hitting a big oak tree. Wow. Then we went out and some other groups had a class A on a thermal. Unfortunately, it was the only thermal we had that didn't record. I wasn't what friends were. They watched this thing for about 10 or 15 minutes. It was tree peeking and their usual checking us out, behavior. Then the last night, we came back and we did some call blasting with Managahela down in the down this road where we were at down in the House of Blackwater River. And that's where our campsite was. We just camp, some call blasting. Nothing really happened. We went back to camp about 2.30, we all went to bed. I could not go to sleep in the tent.

I was like, my bones were aching. We'd hike so much. And a couple, I think it was at least two cross the river behind my tent. My tent was close to the river, came up into our campsite and pushed on the top of my tent. I saw the hand really. I found, yes. This was probably at 3.30.30 in the morning.

Everybody else was asleep and snoring. I think I was probably the only person awake in camp. And they messed around their camp for a while, picking up things, moving, rubbing on stuff. And I was scared to death. I was just literally terrified. and to the point where I picked up my key fob, my truck was right up the hill from me and was ready to hit the emergency arm if it got crazy.

But they moved on, the Bigfoot's did. There were some chatter, weird chatter going on, some grunts. And the next morning I got up and talked to the other people there. There was three other campers there, three of other tent sites, I should say. And the wind up going down to the river and found a partial print down where they crossed the river in the side of the bank. And so that was exciting. It was the 2012 West Virginia expedition.

That was my first. And at the time I was living in the outer back to North Carolina, so it was hard for me to get back and forth. It was a long haul. Let's go, girls. So you've been taking one of these little pink pills daily? Yeah. And you feel.

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I don't know how it can get much better than that. That I wouldn't have been able to get back to sleep myself. I didn't go back to sleep. The mother nature was calling and I was too scared to even go outside. It was scary. And the next morning, finally we had some daylight and everybody else got us and I told them what happened. And they were like, we've been feared things across the river from us.

a couple of brown figures that we couldn't really pinpoint what they were. And this was days before any of us had, I didn't have a thermal imager. None of the group I was with had a thermal imager. Sure. He had stuff just going on across one of the guys up the river, something that got into his tent messing around. We didn't know somebody or whatever. So we ended up moving his entire tent down to our area and stay in there.

And the sad part is that area where we're camping and no long. underlaw camping. It's in the Little Banagahela Wildlife Reserve. Okay. I guess they have doing things they shouldn't do down in there. So they stopped camping along the river there, but it's an awesome place. Wow. That sounds incredible. I've talked to a few gentlemen from West Virginia. I've talked to people like Joe Purdue, Dr. Russ Jones. It just sounds like the area, like people don't realize how crazy for Bigfoot the West Virginia area is, even to the extent, Like, it's almost, you know, as crazy as the Pacific Northwest. Do you have any thoughts regarding that?

Oh, yeah. It's really taken off around here. Can you just go around some of the areas down around Marlinton area and talk to people? And most of them are pretty open about it. They'll tell you that they've had these encounters numerous years through their family from their grandfathers and talking about the wild man of the woods or whatever, what they call them or whatever. and Sutton is now doing a Bigfoot festival in June and it's a second year this year. And it's amazing how it's grown.

And we were, the first year, we were on like a question and answer panel, me and a couple other Bigfoot guys here, Charles Kimbrough from Virginia and Greg Lang, and we were on stage for almost two hours. It was supposed to be only like an hour of thing when these people were just asking questions. Wow. Really. And so, yeah, Russ Jones and Darren Povarnock were the leaders of the first expedition, first and second expedition in West Virginia, I went on.

Okay. Russ is a great guy. He is. It really seems like he is, yeah. Let's, just so I don't forget it, you mentioned that you were able to go out to Ohio to do some work with Matt Moneymakers. Is there anything that you can share from how that experience went? Okay, yeah, it was at Pleasant Hill Lake Park, and the Muskingham, I can pronounce that right? watershed district and they had a siting in their primitive campground a year before so louis and he's in charge of these the naturalist and he does special events for the park decided to set up a thing and he and suzanne farin check got together and they got this thing together we get

volunteers there's 12 volunteers we went out and what happened was we decided to do that wanted to do this is like a project he'd been wanted to do for a long time using a thermal drone. And so a guy named Robert Evans, he lives in St. Augustine, Florida. He has some really nice drone equipment. And we've got it all together, got him up here. We all were over there the first of September. And we were there a week getting up with him. There was a lot of planning involved. And it was a whole festival. It was for the family and everything. They had a VFD dinner on Friday night. And during the VF. dinner, we were able to fly the drone and in real time transmit the drone images back to a big screen TV. Wow.

So the participants in the VIP dinner and Matt narrated and I was the radio man between Matt and Robert Evans, who was flying the drone pilot. And we were able to, we didn't see any big puts, but we, you know, a lot of deer and stuff there. People were able to see the technology. Unfortunately, at that time here, the tree canopy layer was hard to get down here. You could see down in some mirrors. We had long in the woods, and it was really a great thing. The technology, the thermal imager was 640 resolution.

He could bring it in, bring it out. And we flew five missions each night. We had five batteries. So we flew each five missions the first night. And the second night, they had a town hall down at the park. It had a big screen set up there. And the end of it, after the town hall meeting where people were discussing their sightings in the area involved us. It's mainly in the Mohican Forest, Mohecan State Park area.

Okay. And this borders that there's a lake between the park and the Pleasant Hill Lake Park, between Mohegan Park. And the people were, they did, they talked about their sightings, like in a town hall, like they did on finding. Bigfoot. And so we flew it again that night. And things were a lot smoother the second night. We'd had some internet issues the first night. We worked all that out. And the second night, we were able to, it was flawless. We did so much more stuff. We had a lot more gear. We actually had two bucks fighting. And yeah, it came out really nice. And it looks like we're going to do it again next year. The first weekend of October, we're going to repeat it. That moneymaker will be coming back

there. And it was a pleasure to get to work with math for week and get to really know him. And he is so passionate about the research. That is fascinating. It sounds like there's probably some plans in order to fine tune that in the future. Just, just, you know, you can have an audience seeing live looking for a big foot. That just, that blows my mind. That that makes for a very cool future to do with big footing. You could have multiple people watching and more people are going to notice things logically than just one person looking at the footage. And that's, it could get really cool. Yeah, they were able to tell us where things were because we're looking at a phone size screen or laptop.

And we're not able to see the full projection. and they were telling us to go right, go left. And so we'd have the drone go right, left. And it was really amazing. That is awesome. Yeah, Matt has some very interesting, forward-thinking ideas when it comes to utilizing technology and Bigfoot research. And hopefully someday I'll be able to chat with them.

Let's talk some more about your expeditions over the years, Larry. That first expedition, you had some really crazy things happen. Was it a thing where did? Did things get even more wild over the years at different expeditions? Or was that 2012 kind of the epitome of how wild things got for you? Like I said, some years you'll get knocks and howls. I really get into recording audio. And I've had some audio.

We do a thing called long duration recorders, but those out that they'll record 30 days for nine or 10 hours a night on a set of batteries that we've got to set up. So I've done some audio plus I had a Class A siting in Land Between the Lakes in 2019. Charlie Raymond had a big BFRO expedition and land between the lakes. And I was actually able to get a catch one, or not catch one, but get to watch one for very few seconds. But it was definitely a big call. And it took a long time to get that Class A. Listeners may know that land between the lakes usually comes up when people are talking about dog man, but there's also Bigfoot reported in that area in Kentucky, correct? Larry?

Absolutely, yeah. We were only, it's the land between Kentucky and Berkeley Lake. Sure. It's forested area. It's protected area. And, yeah, there's a lot of dog ban. There was the ledge monster that killed the people that, yeah, no one seems to find a lot of. evidence about now.

But it was rumors that went around. But we went there two years and we had, the first year we had a little bit of the activity. The second year, we had quite a bit of activity with Knox and a lot of knocks in that area. And then the night I saw, we had split the group up. There was the intersection of two forest roads, force roads. And we decided, I, myself and other guy stayed at the crossroads of the roads.

and then we split up in four different groups. One went north, southeast, and west, and went down, and then we had time. We were going to do time knocks between the four. Every 15 minutes, a group was going to do knocks. After the second group, we had knocks right across the road from us, me and the other gentleman, and they were close. So I walked over to the road, and the main intersection,

it was thirming down where the knocks were coming at. And I have to look down the road going to the south, and we had two girls down there. They were down about, oh, 15, 200 yards down the road. And I noticed they turned on their white light, which spooked me. I opened, when there was a lot of activity going on. We were all, we had the hair on their neck, so that's that syndrome coming up. I were kicking in. There was a lot of activity going on.

And they turned on their white lights. When they did, it illuminated up the road. and the Bigfoot crossed the road about halfway between me and them went across the road and it was just, it was a huge and fast and I was just very lucky

that they had illuminated with white light, right? It actually shone and it came through there. And it was pretty, pretty amazing. We reenacted it a couple of times. Okay. I think Charlie has my interview on his YouTube with the Kentucky Bigfoot Research. Oh, awesome.

Yeah, very good. I'll have to definitely check that out. So you saw the Bigfoot cross the road illuminated by white light, correct? By white light, yes. Thinking back to that time, were you able to see things pretty clear? Did you actually, did you see anything about its face? Or what are some details maybe you remember about it? the just the broad the broadness of his shoulders the length of its arms and the way it walked it was hunched over i won't say walk it was moving pretty quick it crossed a 25 foot area in about three steps wow and extremely fast i didn't see the face spatial details and um but uh it was no doubt my mind what i saw it's it's the only thing it could have been it was just yeah this the size of it and the quickness it moved and quiet. I think what happened when they turned on the white light,

it had been probably in that area where we heard the knocks. It came out of that area. It came across. I think we spooked it when the white lights turned on. They were actually illuminating the ground. They had found what they thought was a track there, and we're looking at it with the white light. They couldn't see it very good with their red lights that we use at night on heights.

And I was actually a good glimpse of. of it. Good look at it. That is incredible. Do you, you know, over, over the years when you're going on different expeditions, do you ever encounter anything that is weird, but definitely not Bigfoot? Do you ever run across the past of any other could be cryptids or other weird things in the woods? Orbs. Really?

We had a lot of orbs, especially in land between the lakes. We were actually watching one the night that we saw Bigfoot. There was a red one up in the trees where we were watching, and people encountered them the entire expedition down there. Both years, we had orbs. That's not the only other thing I've really, we had actually an orb go near. There's a lot of cemeteries in the land between the lakes,

old family plots and stuff. And had some one of the groups. A really good researcher was their investigator and had them saw them. So it was, yeah, it was just a lot of orbs. We get them just about everywhere. we go, it seems. You had mentioned when you're talking about land between the lakes, I believe you said that it was the ledge monster. Is that correct? The what now? You had said that there were reports of some kind of monster beside the dog man. Yeah, they weren't sure it was a dog ban or Bigfoot

or whatever. There was a group of campers killed. Oh, yes. Okay. Okay. Yep. That old legend, And I think you've probably heard. The infamous legend, I believe, from the 1980s of the campground, it was almost pretty much a massacre in a way. It said there were bodies and the trees and everything. Not good. Not good. No. No one's able to find any evidence with the police department.

Exactly. Exactly. That's the tricky thing about that. And I know that is opening up a can of worms with some listeners. And I may get some emails, which I welcome the Dogman community. It's very passionate. and they're doing some great research down there for sure. Are you still actively going on Bigfoot expeditions, Larry?

Oh, yes, yes, yes. I've got a couple more coming up. And actually, I'm going to be hosting a BFRO West Virginia expedition next September, 14th to 17th. And I'll have it here. Can't give the location, but it'll be in a great spot. And that's open for registration now on BFRO.net on our site. You can go in and talk, and then we select people that want to do it, and I'll interview them. We've already got a lot of presentation.

People signed up. We've got B-Mills, Managahela, and Charles Kimberra are going to bring presenters at night. It looks like we're getting it together. I'm getting a lot of inquiries already. I already selected about six people. I didn't know on an expedition. That's pretty cool. Yeah.

The answer calls, you talks to you and make sure we're not getting people in that are going to hoax and do crazy, do things that just aren't in the interest of the expedition. I like that. They send their stuff into Caroline Curtis, the secretary of the BFRO, and then she gets it back out to the organizer, and then we make a phone call. And a lot of the repeaters, we don't call back our issue. The people that are repeaters, it's the newbies I usually call up and really want to make sure that they know what they're getting into.

And there is a charge involved. We have to get insurance and permit. Exactly. So we try to keep it as reasonable as we can, but we have expenses for scouting trips and everything. The last few minutes that we have, Larry, got one more question for you. You've gone on so many different expeditions and pretend you're speaking to someone, maybe a listener who wants to go look for Bigfoot, have their first expedition. How do they need to be prepared? What things would you recommend?

There's so many different ways to approach it. You can go in and come to you. You can hike, night hike, and trail. I make sure you're a fairly good condition, which I need to get myself back in shape. Make sure you're, you know, good shoes. I highly encourage people not to do it alone. I always have to. People get lost.

And you can have, always have an audio recorder. Just have an open mind. Remember not everything it happens in the woods. Not every noise is a big foot. the different night sounds, what a bard owl sounds, and what a coyotes sounds like. And coyotes have got so many different sounds they can make. Listen for knocks and owls and just find a friend that's interested in it.

And it'll get, if you go out and start having activity, and try to pick out an area that it's active. You can go on the BFRO site. We break it down by state and county where you're at. I pick out an area that's near you and just going and hit some of the trails that. Most of the state parks and state forests are really open to it. There seems to be activity in just about every national forest, especially in the East Coast. We have activity in sightings.

And you start out with just a red headlamp and walkie-talkies and things. And you can get into where you'll get addicted. Then you'll end up buying $1,000. Right. Limiture. This and that. The thermal limit has gotten cheaper over the last few years. And it's just a real good affordable unit.

Even if you don't see a Bigfoot, it is still a really fun camping trip that you're getting out in nature. And we all could use a lot more of that. Yes, that's 99% of it. Just getting out in nature and meeting old friends. That's a great thing on these expeditions. We only get together some of us two or three times a year. And we get together and talk about our stories and our research. and we tried new things just to, you know, try to make it easier for us.

The last expedition I was at in Kentucky this fall, we actually had activity right in base camp. Wow. During a presentation, Managa Hala was playing some audio. And we had box, whoops, and eye shine right in the, right in base camp. No way. Yes, during the presentation. That's incredible. area. I will tell the area because it's an active research area. Sure. But yeah, it's been crazy there.

We were doing him at 11 o'clock in the morning one day and he was doing his audio presentation and we had whoops and knocks or over the hill right behind us from where we were doing it. Oh, wow. That is incredible. What an experience that must have been. Larry, thank you so much for hanging out and sharing your experience with Bigfoot over the years. This has been very informational. Thank you. Oh, thank you. Before you go, I always like to give the guest a chance. Is there any things that people can do to follow up with what you're doing? Or would the best thing be to keep an eye on the BFRO website?

What do you think? Just keep an eye on the BFRO website. I don't have a blog or anything. Sure. Keep up with the BFRO website. We've been quiet in West Virginia lately with reports. So I haven't had a lot to do. But they seem to come in big groups.

So hopefully we'll come in out. out there real soon and you can keep up with, like I said, the BFRO website and look at the reports and just checking with the newest ones coming in. Fantastic. Thanks so much for coming on. Larry, have a good day. Thank you to you, all my listeners, for listening to the podcast. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit

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