Bigfoot Society - Country, The Oklahoma Bigfoot Bounty Hunter

Episode Date: July 17, 2023

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Starting point is 00:01:10 Visit your nearby Lowe's on West Pico Boulevard in Los Angeles. I said, hey, that's my dear. And it looked at me again and roared. And it looked at Dad and seen the gun, and then it really roared. Of course, I'm shaking. I said, if that thing makes a move, just shoot it from head, Dad. And, of course, Dad, I don't know whether he hurt me or not. I took two steps up and to where I could see up on the flat and I pointed to the deer.
Starting point is 00:01:33 And it looked at the deer, looked at me, snarled. I looked back to the deer. It's my deer and I reached to go grab another limb, take a step up in it. Well, Dad shot and missed it about an inch and a half. Well, he'd looked at my dad and tapped its head like, damn, that was close, you know. I mean, the thing had fear in its eyes. I said mine and all I got was a leg. It stepped over there within about two steps.
Starting point is 00:01:59 It was probably 12, 13 yards from him, but two steps or so. It bent over, tore the back leg off and swung it right into my chest and set me right back into the creek. Welcome to the Bigfoot Society podcast. On this episode, I have the privilege of talking to Country from the great state of Oklahoma. Country has had many different interactions with Sasquatch in his state, and I would ask that you approach this episode with an open mind. Hopefully some people listening will have memories jogged of things they've experienced in the past
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Starting point is 00:03:00 going and let's get into the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. We've got the privilege of talking to a gentleman who came to me through Facebook Messenger. He is from the state of Oklahoma. He's got some very interesting things to share. His name is Country. The Country, how's it going? It's going great. A little warm out here this evening. Oh, man. I hear you. We're burning up in Iowa, but I'm sure it's hotter down there.
Starting point is 00:03:34 Oh, yeah. We had yesterday it was a 121 heat index. So, yeah, it was pretty hot. Wow. That is in, and you're in, well, I mean, there's different parts of Oklahoma, right? I'm in the Arbuckle Mountains. Ah, okay. Yeah, so south, uh, south.
Starting point is 00:03:53 southern Oklahoma just above Texas, right? Yeah, I call it South Central. Southern South Central. All right, all right. Yeah. I'm familiar with the southeast corner, as you can imagine. I talk to a few people from over there. So you're the first that I've talked to from the Arbuckle Mountains area.
Starting point is 00:04:17 So that's pretty cool. I've talked to a gentleman over in the western part of the state as well. but excited to talk to you tonight. So it sounds like you have quite the history, but how did things start out with you with interaction with disaster? Well, we lived in Pittsburgh County back all since 84. The incident there probably happened when I was 13. I'm 43 now, so you can do the math.
Starting point is 00:04:48 I was bow hunting, and it was just about dark. I hadn't seen a whole lot You know it's pretty quiet evening hunt You know usually see quite a bit But not that evening I noticed a few of the birds and stuff Kind of just shut up all of a sudden And they was looking back to my east
Starting point is 00:05:06 Down the creek The Co Creek So I looked that way I picked up a binoculars and I didn't see nothing I think oh it's probably hogs or a deer coming through Or bobcat you know the way they shut up I didn't see nothing And it went two or three minutes.
Starting point is 00:05:22 A lot was fading pretty quick. Then all of a sudden I noticed the movement through the trees right along the creek edge. I picked up my binoculars and looked, and I immediately knew it was not a deer. It was not a bear. I wasn't real sure what I was because it still had a little bit of brush. It stepped on out there. It was just casually kind of strolling down the bank, just pittles farting around. and it stopped when the wind shifted from my face to just slightly over my shoulder blowing right to it.
Starting point is 00:05:54 It stopped. It picked its head up. It looked like it was smelling the air like a deer would do or, you know, an animal. And I froze. It was pretty good size, probably eight and a half, and I could tell it was a female, believe it or not. It had mammary glands. That's how well I got to see it. Very flat-faced, not much of a cone.
Starting point is 00:06:16 But it was, there was a ridge there, but it could have been here. It wasn't just a well, most well-groomed animal that you would see in the woods. She throwed her head up and started swinging back and forth slightly and looking around and checking her back trail for some reason. She finally, the wind just kind of picked up a little bit more and it was just too much. She ducked down off into the creek and all I could see was the top of her shoulders and her head. And she kept peeking up over the top of the bank and looking. She never did see me. But once she cleared me about 200 yards, I heard her come back up into the woods about even with me on the creek bank.
Starting point is 00:07:01 And she screamed. I did not do nothing. I waited until dark. I plan to sit there until plum into well the next daylight of the next morning before I climbed down. And, of course, I knew my parents would get a little worse. worried, but nothing new for me to come strolling in two or three, four o'clock in the morning, you know, from being hunting. So I wasn't too worried.
Starting point is 00:07:23 But about 11 o'clock, I seen a light up there on top of the mountain, which is about, oh, about a mile and three quarters away. It's a pretty steep mountain. You can see it, and I could barely make him out hollering for me. I did not say a word. I sat there until he'd come down there to where I was at, and it was my dad. I told him my, I said, Dad, you shouldn't be up there or down on the ground. there's the bigfoot's here.
Starting point is 00:07:49 He said, oh, they ain't going to bother you. They never bothered you before. Come on down. And when I hit the ground, she screamed again, and another one screamed, and then another one screamed, and then whoops, all down the ridge he just come off of. And we kind of just, he just said, just keeps close to me. Just a matter of fact, just put your finger in my back belt loop, and we'll just go right the way we come out down here. I didn't hunt that bottom for several years.
Starting point is 00:08:13 He made me stay on top of the mountain after that. close to the house for several years. So that was the first incident. Can I ask you? Sorry, can I ask you a few questions? That is really intense. So you were pretty much surrounded by Sasquatch. We were surrounded for a good two and a half and three miles up and down the creek.
Starting point is 00:08:35 I would say there was at least a dozen or more individuals that rang out that night. And that's why she was checking her. back trail. Do you feel that's, you know, oh, yeah, sorry. No, they didn't know I was in there. They didn't know I was in there or they wouldn't even have showed themselves because we hadn't had, we've had, you know, strange things happen. You know, you've heard the stuff, you know, bumping on the glass, bumping on the house, you know, throwing stuff up on the porch. They would leave gifts pretty often. Now, of course, I didn't know this until I got up into, oh my mid-30s, but my dad had been feeding the dang things.
Starting point is 00:09:19 So he knew about him. He knew very well about him, and he kept him secret even from me. And I was probably the favorite son, you know, we hunted together, fish together. I mean, I was on his side constantly. And he didn't tell me until, you know, he started getting downhill. And then he told me what he knew, which by that time I had already required a mass of information on the thing. I want to say Real quick to the listener
Starting point is 00:09:50 For context of where we're talking This is you already said This is Pittsburgh County And this is two counties To the west of LaFleur County And Oklahoma Just so people realize it Yeah
Starting point is 00:10:04 Yeah There's a lot of mining Coal mining that went on And that particular mountain Had lots of old mines and stuff And it A lot of them were collapsed At the entrance
Starting point is 00:10:13 But I'm sure if you knew the woods better than I did, you know, you probably knew where to get in. And they probably hit it, too. You know, they're not dumb animals. I mean, when they'll climb up and stick a deer in the top of a 175-foot red oak tree, and it's 75 foot off the ground, and all you can see is the head sticking over the top. And there ain't no claw marks on it. What done it? Is that something you've seen yourself?
Starting point is 00:10:39 Yeah, they do it a lot. Down there, they stick them down there all the time. That's nothing. You'd be walking. What's that snow? If you don't look up, you're probably not going to notice it, but nine times that 10, it's one of their, they put it in the deal. And the reason I believe they do that is because all the bears. I don't have any proof on that, though.
Starting point is 00:10:57 But they like to stick them in the trees up there or down there, I should say. Here, they don't do that. They kill it, and it's probably eat that night. Down in Arbuckle? Yeah. Yeah. Gotcha. Do you think your father had interactions with the Sasquatch back when you,
Starting point is 00:11:15 you were 13. Like, it sounded like he knew what was going on. Oh, yeah. He, he, he, he had other incidences. My parent, my, my, my sister, had an incident with my mom, my dad. They were camped out down at McGee Creek before the lake. It even filled up. Really?
Starting point is 00:11:33 And it screamed. Now, they didn't, they didn't come into camp that they said. It just the scream. My sister run off into the, the tent. And they, they left out that morning, you know, the father. following morning. They moved camps, what dad said. What year was that? Oh, this is going to be 70s, early 70s.
Starting point is 00:11:54 I've talked to multiple people about McGee Creek, and it's a very It's a dangerous place. Crazy hotspot. Dangerous. It's dangerous. They're crazy down there. Them squatches are dangerous. Don't trust them. I'm assuming it's because of all the people in and around the public there. That's the only thing I could think of. Because where you don't have a whole lot of people, you don't have a whole lot of anger. Or if they're in town, there's a lot of places like Sulphur. They come into town quite a bit at night. And another town north of Sulphur, Pauls Valley, which is straight up by 35,
Starting point is 00:12:32 and it sets right on the Washington River. Most of your fast food is within a quarter mile to a half mile of the riverbanks. And it's all open on the town side. you know, it's all fields pretty much. And I've actually seen them driving down the road, early crack in daylight morning, you know, just barely make everything out. You know, if you see deer out there, four or five hundred yards, you can see deer. But there's no cows where these were at.
Starting point is 00:12:56 And it was just past the high school, too. There's a slew right there. And they were right on the deal of it, and they were sitting up there. And there was three of them big, and they were all black as far as I could tell. But their color varies as a sun hits it a little bit. black would probably be the color with low light, you know. What have you heard from McGee Creek that makes you think that that area is so dangerous for Sasquatch? Well, there's people that's been missing and still missing for the last 50, 60 years down there.
Starting point is 00:13:31 It just doesn't happen a whole lot. It's not like some of the, it doesn't get as publicity, as much publicity because of its region, you know. It's a small town. everybody's pretty tight knit. If you don't know anybody, you're probably not going to get on a place unless you have a bunch of cash, you know, money talks down there because they're poor. You know, it's just logging industry for the most part down there. Sure.
Starting point is 00:13:55 And deer hunting. At least, you know, that's what they do. Do you know of a place called Bougar Hollow? Sure. There's also a place on you follow, like you follow that we call Bougar Bottoms. It's a creek. It's got a lot of cat tails in towards the mouth of it. But once you get about a mile and a half back up in the creek from off the lake, you're in prime territory.
Starting point is 00:14:22 You'll have something happen usually within two or three nights there. I grew up and graduated out of Crowder. Okay. So, I mean, I know that like all that region down through there, plumbed down to Eagle Town, plumbed down to, you know, the Red River. We're all over it. So you're saying that in Booger Hollow, you're there two or three nights, you'll have stuff happen? Or do you mean the bottoms?
Starting point is 00:14:48 The bottoms, Booger Bottoms, then don't like you follow. Okay. Yeah. Have you heard anything specifically about that has happened in Booger Hollow? Not specifically. I don't know a whole lot of people there. The people that I knew, I was a kid, old man jelly that lived down around Red Oak. that place has squashes on it
Starting point is 00:15:11 and he told us they was when the first time we came in there camping he says I don't tell you something guys don't you be shooting my wild people I kind of thought that funny a dad knew what it meant you know he'd been in there several times but jelly coming there and kind of warned us kids not to be shooting anything on two legs so he he actually said don't go shooting my wild people yeah wow his His daughter went, no, probably better not tell that.
Starting point is 00:15:45 We'll just put it this way. They're related. Okay. We'll put it that way. There's a relation there. We'll leave that where it is. Country, as we're talking, if there's anything you need me to cut out, I will cut it out afterwards. So don't feel like you're going to get trapped.
Starting point is 00:16:02 I'll edit anything out. Yeah. Most, it's pretty well general knowledge down around. her part. I mean, they know if you come to the house and your family, you're going to see it. You know, it stays in the house. We'll put it that way. Wellness looks different at every stage. The right support makes
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Starting point is 00:18:22 We'll just put it that way. And that's a thing we can't talk about. Yeah, we can't talk about that. We don't need to talk about that. Government doesn't need to care about that. Oh, boy. Okay. And they probably already go.
Starting point is 00:18:33 Yeah, we'll leave that there, but you can pretty much get it. All right. Well, let's move on then. Wow. same county two years later now i had seen seen them uh just you know 100 200 yards just stuff moving through the woods you know nothing nothing aggressive uh nothing that i would be overly concerned about i mean we was still taking game and uh you know when we was growing up uh you you brought game home every time you come in you know or or you may not got to eat that night
Starting point is 00:19:05 uh some weeks you know just depends it was tight um but uh So we was deer hunting. I was sitting on the same fence line. Matter of fact, it was the very same tree stand. A deer had come down through there. And then another deer, then another deer, just kind of normal. Then finally, the deer I wanted to shoot a nice 10 point. Probably 130-inch, you know, back then in the early 90s,
Starting point is 00:19:29 it was a big deer. Now it ain't so much. But I was glad to shoot it. And while I shot it, I've seen it. Oh, you know, 55-75 yards down through there. I've seen it tip over. But about five minutes later, I also heard something walk where the thing had screamed at. And what it is, let me give you a little better picture.
Starting point is 00:19:50 It's a great big bend in the creek. Makes a great big wide horseshoe in the creek there. And where it starts to swing back, there's probably three and a half acres river cane in there. And there's big tunnels. I always thought the pigs had done it because the pigs used it quite a bit too. after I got a little older I learned not to go around the river cane so much they kind of like to hang out in there in the daytime
Starting point is 00:20:14 so that thing come out of the river cane I didn't see it but I could see my dad coming because he heard me shoot he was four or five hundred yards away back on the other end of the the horseshoe there sitting on another bottleneck well he was walking down through there
Starting point is 00:20:33 he was pushing deer my way hogs my way I didn't shoot anything else. He looked up at me. He said, get it? I said, yeah, I think something picked up, though. He looked at, well, let's come on. We'll just go to the house. No, no, it's a big deer.
Starting point is 00:20:45 We're going to go see if we can't see it anyways. Maybe scare it. Maybe it'll drop it. That's not the best idea. I was pretty stubborn. You know, I had a rifle in my hand. I thought I was, you know, tough. We pursued on several hundred yards turned into about three and a half.
Starting point is 00:21:05 miles. Once we got into the area, we crossed the big slew that the water treatment plant had made because the pipe leak real bad. They've since destroyed that old water treatment plant and everything. So it's kind of dried up back in there now a little bit. But once we crossed that main creek that fed it into it, I know where it was going because that's where the coal mines and stuff was at. And I mean, we could see it two or three times, you know, 75 yards. 110 yards, just depending on the brush down through there. You know, it's kind of open along the creek once you got 30, 40 yards off the creek where the floodplain didn't clear it out every, you know, every time it got up.
Starting point is 00:21:47 It was much, much thicker. And it was traveling to edge of that. So the tracks is pretty easy most of the time in that bottom land. It was leaving tracks about three and a half to four inches deep where me and dad was only leaving about an eighth of an inch, just barely making marks, you know, considerably big. That's, man, we shouldn't, we shouldn't be going after that's a big track. I said, well, we got to do something. I said, this bull crap.
Starting point is 00:22:13 I said, Bernie can't even kill a deer because I said, they follow him around like crazy. And that's, you know, well, you know, it is what it is. It's just how you live with them. You just don't do nothing and they don't do nothing. Yeah. Well, we're doing something because he's done something. We ended up tracking it up there and we could hear multiple animals on this flat, just below where this mine was at.
Starting point is 00:22:38 I said, I don't know, Dad. That's kind of crazy. He said, man, he said, don't take your gun if you're going to walk up there. He says, make sure you let them know that you're coming. So we haven't even crossed the creek yet, and a whistle goes out. So we've already been made. I just said, hey, that's my deer. And I heard it sounded like a herd of elephants standing up and running up to the deal.
Starting point is 00:23:03 We could see a few of them going through the sea. and, you know, the oak and stuff. But there were several that didn't. So we, you know, I went ahead and took a couple steps. And when I did, it stopped over the side. And, I mean, when it roared, it literally moved the hair on my head and face. It was loud. I said, hey, that's my dear.
Starting point is 00:23:27 And it looked at me again and roared. And it looked at that and seen the gun. And then it really roared. I mean, just saying, you almost, it was almost so much it made you nauseous because of the vibration on the inside of you, if that makes sense to you. It almost turned their stomachs. It was that loud. Of course, I'm shaking. I said, if that thing makes a move, just shoot it in the head, Dad.
Starting point is 00:23:50 And, of course, Dad, I don't know whether he heard me or not. I took two steps up and to where I could see up on the flat and I pointed to the deer. And it looked at the deer, looked at me, snarled. I looked back to the deer. That's my deer, and I reached to go grab another limb, take a step up, and it, well, dad shot and missed it about an inch and a half. Well, he'd looked at my dad and tapped its head like, damn, that was close, you know. I mean, the thing had fear in its eyes. I said, mine, that's mine.
Starting point is 00:24:21 I got to eat, too, you know, and it looked at me like it understood what I was wanting, and all I got was a leg. It stepped over there within about two steps. It was probably 12, 13 yards from him, but two steps or so. It bent over, tore the back leg off and slung it right into my chest and set me right back into the creek. That's it. Take your leg. Get your gun. Let's go.
Starting point is 00:24:47 And we were escorted out from the ridge line. They were making a point to show that to be seen upon that ridge line. And they followed us up to the high line that goes down off in there that we took up. in and out and at that point they stopped and when we went up the hill they turned around and went back down and after that we it was it wasn't so much being harassed as it was uh every time we come to the woods they were always there i mean it was you just couldn't get away from them i don't care where you went they knew you was there it was crazy i mean it was that's it as long as they're not hurt you and not attacking he said just keep doing your deal he's just they're just
Starting point is 00:25:29 checking you out. And so that's what we did. And Dad said, well, I had one. That's, no, it was the next year that following February after they took the deer. I was fishing the sloop pond back there catching Channel Cat on stink bait. It was cold, cold, cold. And I don't know, I had probably 25, 30 cat fish, you know, nobody going to regulate a young man or how many fish you had. And I was just about getting ready to go. And, I mean, I had another little bit there, and I picked up the rod. When I picked up the rod, a hand reached out of the brush because the brush was just cleared by beavers. You know, it wasn't much, you know, a couple foot wide tops before he stepped into, you know, 8 to 20 foot tall saplings that were so thick that cotton tails couldn't get in it.
Starting point is 00:26:21 I never heard nothing. I never saw nothing. I never smelt nothing until the hand touched me on the shoulder and rolled me back. and he just picked my stringer up with two fingers, mind you, smiled real big, and walked off. Oh, crap. That sucks. That's a lot of work. I mean, I had a heck of a stringer catfish.
Starting point is 00:26:42 So I just, well, I don't know what else to do. I just started catching fish. Dad told me to bring fish home. You know, I still had plenty of time. I started catching more fish. I don't know, 10 or 11 more catfish, and I went to the house carrying them on sticks. I'd strung them up. That's what I had to use.
Starting point is 00:26:59 As I come around the bend in this access road that come off from the old wardtriek plant, there's my stringer hanging up in the tree. So I strung up my fish and went on about my rat killing to the house. I told Dad, Dad should don't tell Mom. He said he probably probably shouldn't go catfish for a while down there. He said, there might be kind of tough for him right now. I said they might just soon take you instead of the catfish. I said, well, he smiled when he took him, and he was real polite.
Starting point is 00:27:30 He said, what do you mean? He was polite. He said, he only used two fingers and held his pinky out like he was drinking a cup from an Englishman. He said, you're kidding. I said, nope. I said, he turned around and walked off. I said, and it wasn't the big guy. He says, oh, I said, so what was it a female?
Starting point is 00:27:44 I said, no, it was a male. That I know for sure, because it was standing right over the top of me pretty much. He said, well, he smiled. He smiled. I said, there's a stringer. He gave me a stringer back by the time I'd say, caught my fish and made it around you know I told him the story and he's just like yeah from this point on just start leaving half of everything you take from the woods so if you shoot 30 squirrels 15
Starting point is 00:28:07 of it goes to them and so that's what we started doing or I started doing and at this point in time you know dad was he always told me he was chumming the creek but I think he was taking the hog pellets down there and feeding the dang squashes I really do it sounds like you got a really good look at the face of the Sasquatch at multiple times. Can you describe anything else that you saw? A lot of you guys get it. A lot of you guys
Starting point is 00:28:33 get it so wrong. I've never seen anything that looked even remotely close to a gorilla. It's a freaking Neanderthal is what it is. That's what it is. It's a Neanderthal. I don't care if the bones tell you different. It's a big giant Neanderthal. It looks just like
Starting point is 00:28:49 a Neanderthal. It's a man. I mean, there's no, there's no it's got a big bulb of snows. Some of them are flats. I mean, it's a, it's a, it's an enderthal. That's what it is. Just big, just big. You know, I got to hand it to your father.
Starting point is 00:29:12 He, it sounds like in all these accounts, he is reacting with just a calmness to him. But also, you can tell that he has had some interactions over the year. like he knows about them a lot. He was not surprised by much. Yeah, I figured probably since the 50s or 60s, because he had made mention that when he was a little kid, he shot a bear in the tabletops, which is western Delmore City in the little north.
Starting point is 00:29:49 And he said it was a honey bear. He said, but the honey bear was 11 foot long. I was like, yeah, well, what was you drinking, dad? he said, you know, I wasn't drinking, and I don't think it was a bear. He said, it crawled off in the brush, and I'd turn it around and I left. So he said he went back and looked and see if he, but that he could never get off in that brush pile, you know. He said, when it crawled off in the brush pile, it raised it up. So when dad says brush paw, he means probably something pushed by a bulldozer or something knowing my dad, a big, you know, a pile of trees.
Starting point is 00:30:26 And this is in Pittsburgh County. No, this, that would, I'm not real sure what county that is. That's in the tabletops where he had that happen. What we, what I've been discussing right now has been in the Pittsburgh. Gotcha. I, I, I've, the only places I've had any, any, uh, sightings in Oklahoma has been Pittsburgh. Uh, the couple down in, in McIntosh County, which is above it on the river, uh, that we was coming out of the woods and they crossed out in the field. There was two of them, a big one and a little one.
Starting point is 00:30:57 I would say mom, a young one, you know, didn't get a great look at them. You could just tell it was what it was, you know. It's, I mean, down there, those things are fairly common. I mean, nope, most folks ain't going to talk about them, but yeah, a lot of folks see them down there a lot. Way more than it's coming out. Every time that you've seen them, has it come to your mind that, hey, this looks like a Neanderthal, or have there been times where they've looked every time? Okay.
Starting point is 00:31:27 Every time. every time. They look like a Neanderthal. Big, big, crusty forehead, you know, it's big, it's very masculine, very thick, the jaws are thick, very square, teeth are squared, never seen canines in them. I mean, they got canyons, but they look just like ours. There's not much there. I mean, it's not like, I don't know where these folks is getting the three-inch fangs and stuff at. Maybe a different thing, I don't know, but I
Starting point is 00:31:55 I mean, Jimmy Christmas, when you sit down and eat deer jerky with them, I think I know what they look like. I mean. So, yeah, let's talk about that then. So you have actually sat down with some individuals. I was homeless several years back here in Garvin County, one of my dad's friends. I just kind of, I didn't really ask. I just kind of popped a tent and made my, made my place there, you know. I hunted on it, fished on it.
Starting point is 00:32:30 I know that'd be okay as long as that's the only place I had to go. And yeah, I did. That was the only place I had to go at the time. So I don't know. I've been there a month or two. Nope, nothing. I ain't seen nothing, ain't heard nothing. I never felt nothing.
Starting point is 00:32:48 You know, never smelt nothing. Never seen tracks. And all of a sudden one night, there was a lot. a whooped down on the bottom. I whooped back like a dummy. And it come up there. And from then on, it was up there almost every night. And it sat and it watched. That's all it done. It just sat on its haunts and it watched. And so, I don't know, several, several weeks went by. Hadn't had nothing out of it, you know, it hadn't had really seen it in a week or so in the daylight. I'll put it that way, in the daylight. You can hear it walking around outside
Starting point is 00:33:21 down in the grass and stuff, but you couldn't see it with no light. Well, I decided I was going to go down to the pond, which is about 100, 120 yards straight in front of me, heading back towards the Paul's Valley, matter of fact, towards the river. It's only down there, fishing. And it had a few smaller fishing. It needed to be cold out a little bit, you know, hadn't been harvested enough, you know, out of it over the years.
Starting point is 00:33:47 So I was throwing the fish over the bank. and this bank is so old 65 foot to the bottom of the ravine down there, but it's nice grade, you know, it was built. Your first sip should do more than simply start today. Elevate your scoop with vital proteins, collagen, peptides, advanced, featuring collagen plus hyluronic acid and vitamin C. It helps support, skin, nails, bones, and joints, adding extra wellness support to your daily routine.
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Starting point is 00:35:59 So I'm just tossing over my back, not thinking much of it. And I hear something down there. There's a deer or something in behind me. And it said one more. And when it said one more, I just set my rod down and looked over, you know, climbed up the bank there and looked over. And it was sitting there. The same thing that had been sitting there watching me every night.
Starting point is 00:36:20 It said one more and give me one finger. I thought, what the hell? So I dropped back over the deal. and said, okay, you know, I was kind of shooking up. As long as you're eating the fish and not me, we're cool. You know, so I pitched another great big perch over, and this time he hopped up around top of the bank and was sitting there. And he waited for the fish this time.
Starting point is 00:36:42 I thought, Jim, any Christmas said, I just kind of looked at him, and he didn't look mad or nothing. He just was wiggling his toes, waiting on the next fish. I mean, he looked like he was anticipating a meal, I mean, for free. I had no problems with him or nothing, you know, like he knew me from day one. I mean, that's the way he was treating me. So I kept catching fish, and when I throwed the big crop in the basket, he kind of grunted at me. I said, oh, I got to eat too.
Starting point is 00:37:11 And he walked down there and looked in the basket and picked him up and looked at me, and he set the basket back down. And he kind of walked in a little closer in behind me and sat down. I kept fishing, kept fishing, kept fishing, finally caught a nice cropie. I tossed it up there to him this time. And he ate it up, got up, didn't say nothing, didn't make a noise, and just walked off into the woods, plumbed down to the river. I couldn't hear him no more. And I didn't seem for three or four days. So the next encounter was probably, let's see, I went to church that Sunday.
Starting point is 00:37:44 So I guess it was Tuesday night, the wife, my now wife, she come out and brought me dinner and everything, and she's going to stay the night. So she stayed the night She got up to pee She screamed I mean that's all there was to it She'd never seen one So I stuck my head out the window The deal
Starting point is 00:38:06 And said, oh, hey big guy And he turned and just walked off She'd come back into the tent And sat back down She was pretty shaking She says, I think I'm just going to leave It's okay She says, you're going to go
Starting point is 00:38:21 No, he don't bother me none I said me and him's been hanging out He said, he's all right. I said, I'll let you know. If he gets worse or anything like that or he gets to be in a turd, and he said, okay, well, I think I'm going to leave. I can't be around those. It thing was hideous.
Starting point is 00:38:37 I said, yeah, they're pretty ugly. I said, if you're not used to it, you know, they're pretty scary. So she left, and I didn't see him that night. Well, anyways, I was cooking deer leg, you know, pieces of it. on the grill and it come up. And when it come up, it looked up and saw the meat and he just kind of pointed at the meat. I just kind of waved the don't over. Well, it stopped, turned around the whistle and made a little cookie noise and kind of a,
Starting point is 00:39:09 I don't know what you would call it, a little gargle type sound. And I heard two other things sit down. I thought, what in the world? So I named him all the meat that was on the deal there. and he kept looking over at the rest of the deer. I said, just take what you want, you know, and he pulled the whole deer right off into the woods. Oh, dang, that ain't cool.
Starting point is 00:39:32 So it didn't even leave me any meat because I done give him what was already on the grill. So, well, he came back, and he brought some of my deer back, okay? The front two legs is all I got off that deer. Well, I killed off there. You know, I got my belly full anyways and made jerky out of the rest of the rest. that's what I stayed up doing the rest of the night. Next morning, he was sitting up there at camp waiting on me to get up. And they're looking at the jerky.
Starting point is 00:39:59 Oh, oh, crap, that's my breakfast. And he looked over at me. He just kind of up on his toes and down, like, hi, how are you doing? Didn't say nothing. Didn't grunt. Didn't do nothing. No hand gesture. Just didn't look right back to the meat.
Starting point is 00:40:12 And I walked over there, and I got me a piece of hand at the end. He just plopped down and just grabbed a couple more pieces off there and then whistled. And when he whistled, there was four more coming out of the woods. One female and two smaller ones. One was probably the smaller of the two was probably about four and a half foot. And the other one was about six. The mama was the right at about eight. And he was sitting in about nine and a half, ten foot.
Starting point is 00:40:36 Massive and five and a half foot at the shoulders. Probably a good three and three and a half, almost four at the hips. Big, big, big, big boy. Big boy. And he, he, the big guy, he didn't like me. He just, he sat and just was showing teeth the whole time. I'd look over and he'd turn his head and like that, you know. Not aggressive, but I would say he wasn't very interested in being there.
Starting point is 00:41:08 But somebody else was up there getting food for him, so he'd come up there. This went on. They pestered me every night after that. I mean, it was, they had come up, whistle, tap on the tent. If I wouldn't get out of the tent, the big guy would unzip the tent, hold the door open, and the guy that I was feeding, he would jerk me up by my ankle. Not hard. Just grab him and pull me out and hit clap, do something, you know. He wanted to hang out. Of course, I let him go through everything. You know, they didn't find no food. Lost interest in me and they'd shove off. This went on almost nightly to every other couple four nights. or so. It'd be a day or two. They'd be, they wouldn't be there and I'd get some sleep. They got to the point where I was sleeping in the daytime and up with them, their jerks of a night. It was crazy. Well, that wasn't all of them. That's the thing. That wasn't all of them. There was nine total.
Starting point is 00:42:07 One male, very large, probably 11 foot, very long-haired, silver. Silver's white. No hand on one side. on his left side, matter of fact. No, it was gone about mid-four. No, no hand. Lost of scars. So I figured he was the top alpha before.
Starting point is 00:42:31 That's kind of what I thought. So that means there's other ones around there. Well, anyways, they got to where they were to learn how to open my truck up. That was interesting. I come into camp from going and taking a shower up the road at the local city lake.
Starting point is 00:42:48 And I come back and everything in my truck. was tore out, clothes, food, what they didn't like. They just stomped it. I saw, gee, what it is? Then one of the females come in there and she tried to tell me who it was, but she was pointing to tracks and, you know, and I didn't pay much attention to the tracks. I was seeing them every day, you know. Kind of lose interest in tracks when you got the thing sitting there, you know.
Starting point is 00:43:19 I want to go back to something you said. You said there was a time where your tent was unzipped and it dragged you out of the tent? Yeah. No, it was zipped. The biggest male, he unzipped it, held the door open, was to held the flap open. And the one that was friendly to me, he reeked in there every time by the ankle, very gently and would just pull. You know, just like you was to pull your kid across the floor, right on out. Of course, you know, it got to be kind of comical for a while.
Starting point is 00:43:51 and then it got to be kind of annoying when, you know, you know, he just didn't want to get up. You tell him no, and he would be a little more forceful, and then it got to where he was rolling me out across the deal some nights, you know, because I didn't, well, I was having to even wasn't feeling good. So this went on, the wife's seen him, I don't know, numerous times, in and out, daytime, night time. I mean, it didn't matter. The guy that owns it, he swears up and down, there's nothing in there. but yet he won't come and mow anymore over there. I do all the mowing. Okay.
Starting point is 00:44:25 So, yeah, and this happened when, after I had moved out, I'm thinking that he drove in and thought it was, they thought it was me and they stepped out in the road. That's kind of what I'm thinking, because, I mean, that's how it got to be. When I'd pull in the truck, I mean, they were already coming out to meet me. I mean, it was crazy. Wow.
Starting point is 00:44:49 That is. But you've got to see that this place is thick. I mean, it's thick, you know. And there's houses all around me, except for along the river. I mean, it's crazy. I mean, they butt right up in town. I mean, they come up here because of the lake occasionally, you know, and miss around the lake coast.
Starting point is 00:45:07 He's got storiers. So, which is pretty common. I mean, this is the same area that they found the Paul's Valley giant skeletons. As a matter of fact, I'm about three. course of them all from the exact location where they found them. And I'm not familiar with that, but I could probably guess a very large skeleton that was found, I'm guessing. Numerous very large skeletons, six toes, six fingers. These, these only have five, though.
Starting point is 00:45:42 The creatures that you only had five. Yeah, they only have five. They only have five. Okay. Yeah. Very interesting. Did you ever try to take a picture of them? Or did you have a camera?
Starting point is 00:45:59 Well, every time you pull your phone out, it kind of stirs up problems. There would be some squawking amongst the males, and they would try to take the phone away from you and destroy it. Sure. And I got banged up pretty good. I'm trying to get my phone, keeping from getting it because it was ringing. So they're highly intelligent, highly intelligent. well at this point in time it had made no no communications other than hand gestures pointing stuff like that
Starting point is 00:46:30 get my tenure wow when I started having the seizures in front of them they were much I started talking to me and pampering me and stuff and bringing me food and they knew I was sick you know so yeah they know English. It's not, it's not like me and you talk it. It's pretty, pretty plain, lame, very simple, you know, me this, me that, you this, you know, they understand that. And I think they understand more. They just don't say it. But they have their own language. I know, I know they speak Cherokee, because I heard them do it down in Pittsburgh County. You know, we had school, and they taught Cherokee in our school for several years there. And so I picked up on the Cherokee, and I heard them talking it in the woods.
Starting point is 00:47:29 But this place I'm talking about, I got to see a lot of cool stuff. They hunted rattlesnakes. This place is eat up with timber rattlers. That was a main staple that I could sit in camp and have a rattlesnake every day or two or three. And at the neighbor's mode, which is directly and behind me, yards away, there was a big wall of the brush and stuff, some green brown. and multi-fluoral rose push that kind of blocked a view. But when they mowed, the snake's going to crawl in out of the brush.
Starting point is 00:48:01 So, and I get them when they got to the mowed part, whack them in the heads, getting them out. That was lunch, you know, pretty easy. For yourself? Well, yeah, for myself. For myself, yeah. Because a lot of times it was super hot, and they would, they would kind of, when it got real, real hot, you wouldn't see them. They just, they wouldn't be up there on the sun. I don't know where they went.
Starting point is 00:48:21 Like I said, I wasn't getting around good in the woods to, to follow them around and stuff. Not much anyways. We walk down the pond or something like that, walk up down the creek. The easy walking stuff, you know, I think they kind of knew. Do you? I have a question. This might be a totally left turn or something like that. But, you know, you said you're in it.
Starting point is 00:48:51 You're about in your early. 40s. Were you involved or had any interactions with people that were involved with the siege that happened about 20 years ago? Okay. I respect that. All right. We signed stuff, so no comment. We hunted them, okay?
Starting point is 00:49:20 I hunted them for a long time. This is, I hunted them before. This is what we're talking about right now. I've shot dozens of So you Okay so you have You have hunted Sasquatch and
Starting point is 00:49:35 Actually I guess close because Well Let's put it this way It's just as good as they are in the woods I can be just as good if not better Sure And you've dispatched of multiple
Starting point is 00:49:49 Is what you're saying Yes For a while there It was well known That's what I've done done, you know, and people would call me out of the blue they'd have problems. You know, you know, you've heard the stories raiding the house, is tearing it up, you know, causing problems with the family. Yeah, so we shot those things.
Starting point is 00:50:09 There was an Indian, a Cree Indian who used to live down the road for me that we traded quite a bit, you know. He was an older man. He drank a lot. But he showed me, he says, he says, I notice them things like to follow you and your dad around. down there. Of course, I didn't know. He even knew that, you know, they was following us. I said, uh, what things? He said, you know what I'm talking about. He says, let me show you how to call them things up. And he showed me how to do it, but he also made a, uh, uh, a concoction, uh, of, of animal parts. And you'd burn it on the fire until it was, um, a goo, add water to it.
Starting point is 00:50:52 And then you let it steam off of there and let it bowl down to pretty much nothing. And when that started smoking in the bottom of the pan, it wouldn't be very long if the winter was right. If they smelled it, they were going to come. And it was always brought an aggressive, always a broad and aggressive squash every time. They come to five when they smell that. Wellness looks different at every stage. The right support makes all the difference. Elevate daily wellness with vital proteins advanced collagen plus colostrum and prebiotic fiber.
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Starting point is 00:53:22 Not really. I don't know. None of you guys need to know that. You're going to get yourself hurt. You know, you're going to get yourself hurt, and you're going to get killed. I've been slammed across over two and a half, three miles through the woods by female. She had me by my overall straps and was slinging me in through the brush and stuff. I think she was trying to hijack me is what she was trying to do.
Starting point is 00:53:49 But we were trying to kill her. It took us three years to get her and two other shot that was. causing the problems. You hunted them for three years? Yeah, this particular one that wore me and Tom out, yeah, we could come on the property. She wouldn't even see it. We'd come on the property within 10 minutes being out of the truck. This thing was already flipping out.
Starting point is 00:54:12 It didn't matter whether it was dark or daylight. She had a great big, tall mountain that they're on top, right on, I mean, right there at the house. I mean, that's where it was watching us from. They knew when we come in, come out, and everything else. they're like ninjas right there have been multiple people that have said i'm thinking of people that are involved with area x they've had uh the creature in their sites and they have not been able to pull the trigger because of how it looks is that anything that you struggled with or how are you going to overcome no no dude when it's got a limb
Starting point is 00:54:54 a limb 11 foot long 8 inches across the base of it and going to smash your head in no problem I'll pull the trigger every time all right ain't got no problem but you're aggressive I'll kill you fair enough I mean that that goes for any man or anything like that I mean my life's here yeah you're toast yeah if I can get it okay all right um but yeah they they uh yeah we that was a that was a bad group that we got those three shot out um it was it calmed down. She still has squashes over there, but they sure don't miss with her,
Starting point is 00:55:31 nor none of the other neighbors. Has there ever been a time? And I've hunted them. Sorry, go ahead. Has there ever been a time when you were hunting them during that time where it got really close to be in game over for you? No, because I usually took the upper hand 90% of the time.
Starting point is 00:55:54 Fair enough. I use reverse tactics. They like to have the high ground. Let them have the high ground. But don't let them get it to, don't let yourself be open to the high ground. In other words, make itself hard to get to in that low ground.
Starting point is 00:56:11 Use areas that are small, tight to fit into. That's a good place. Don't even try climbing trees. They can climb it faster than you can even think about. I mean, and literally swing from it, jump from tree to tree.
Starting point is 00:56:23 I'll see the squats. I was tracking him. He noticed me, you know, he turned around, I was checking the spectra. He saw me, took about four or five ten steps, big jump steps, and hopped up on trees and start in. So I couldn't follow his tracks anymore. He went on through there for 400 yards before he ever stopped doing that.
Starting point is 00:56:43 Of course, I could see him hear him, so it didn't really make much difference. He didn't, he couldn't see me. He just knew I was behind him. They're very shy. They don't want to hang. They don't want no problems out of us, 99%. in the time. Sure.
Starting point is 00:57:01 Where you're coming in and they're growling at you, that growl is to get you to get gone. They like to intimidate. They like to bluff. But once the foot stoppens done and there's no more whistling going on and it's going to whoops, you, you, we're after welcome. It's time to get out. Now, not every clans like that. The clams, I could take you to some clans over here.
Starting point is 00:57:30 I guarantee by the time we walk in, in 20 minutes of sitting up, they're already going to be surrounding us and jacking with us. And they're not nice. We don't go in there very often. So after you would dispatch of one, what would happen to the body? Oh, they snag it up every time. Who would? Every time.
Starting point is 00:57:48 They would, squashes. So they would rush. So you, okay, so you would take one out and they would. If you, if you shot one, I guarantee you there was there was two or three right there near it, and they would draw your attention off to one side or the other, throwing rocks, something like that, and they would pick it up, and, you know,
Starting point is 00:58:09 I mean, sometimes you get another shot, two shots, you know, and get two or three, but they always, they always had somebody come pick them up. The one time that we didn't, and this was, well, this was when just shortly before they come in and shot a lot of them, So we turned it in And man, it was four and a half weeks In the penitentiary more or less
Starting point is 00:58:35 On a government base I don't know where I was at They dropped out of the house So you got taken to a government base For dispatching your staffs like We turned it into We turned it into the part Within
Starting point is 00:58:53 I guarantee it was in two and a half hours I was already in a van and was was sedated. Really? Snag me up right up out of my own yard. Didn't even, they pulled, they pulled the country on me,
Starting point is 00:59:06 is what they're done. I wasn't paying attention. They had my guard let down. They took country down. Yeah, wow. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:59:13 So you came to? All I heard was about, about five yards before he got to me, because it come around the backside of the, the shed there. I heard the grass move, and I whirled around and I was hit, pout.
Starting point is 00:59:26 I mean, they hit me with a beanbag. charge right the side of the head. Why do you think, why do you think they wanted you in that, in that government base? Oh, because they wanted, they wanted me to help, but I didn't want to kill them out. I just, I told them, I said, we only hunt problems squatches. I said, you go in these mountains and I said, most, most of you guys are, are just, you're going to be pissing in the wind.
Starting point is 00:59:48 They're just going to disappear. He's going to step off in the caves and that's going to be the end of it. You're not going to find them. Well, they found them. They saw a lot off the park. then the following, within six, eight months of them being done and cleared out, they cut the cedars. And when they cut the cedars, what few remain, they moved.
Starting point is 01:00:10 And I'm still, I know where that group is at. I just can't get to them because it's on private land and they won't let me in there. So you're saying there was a lot of, it's chalked all down yet. It's chocked. Oh, boy. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
Starting point is 01:00:30 Now you understand why kind of spooky bad things, but anyway. So it's a Choctaw land and it's landlocked, right? No, it's Chickasol land. I'm sorry, I forgot where I was. It's Chickasoling. Yeah. The Chokotaw is on down south of McGee Creek area. But the Chickasawas are by the floor, right?
Starting point is 01:00:54 no they're they're uh murray garvin okay county uh yeah that's what these are here uh so yeah uh so they got a bunch of lands you know just pockets of and this is uh i'll tell you right where it's at uh they got a big old recreation center just on the other side of lake and it's right there they moved off into them valleys into there and you can still they still come to the lake to hunt at night uh they just don't live there anymore I just want to verify one more. So you're saying that there was a big group from the base that actually went out and dispatched a multiple Sasquatch in a time period. Dozens, dozens.
Starting point is 01:01:39 At one time, me and Charles Hallmark had documented at least 40 different individuals that lived on the park alone on the tavern team guy Sandy side. what park is that Chikersall National Recreation Okay Yeah Taverteen you know You go into the town there One side the road is Taverin
Starting point is 01:02:04 Or Platte National I think that's what they call it now They renamed it about three times here lately So But yeah it's a Chickasaw National Recreation Area And you're not going to see When you get on the recreationer You're not going to see a whole lot of squash activity
Starting point is 01:02:22 It's just not fair anymore Jim Whitehead, I believe he had went up and down Sandy a few times and they got, you know, tracks and whatnot. But you just don't see that anymore. When the lake is low, my best option, if you want to go find tracks would be the catfish bottoms area, but the lake needs to be low. Because it's too rocky. When the lake gets low, it leaves the silt and they'll travel the silt, collecting the duckweed and stuff along the creek bank. Wow. Sawgrass.
Starting point is 01:02:52 Don't worry else they can find. I've talked to Jim before. He's a great guy. He's got some incredible information from the Western part of the state. Nope. I haven't had the pleasure of meeting yet. Just know where he's been, mainly through Charles, you know, and watching on Facebook, whatnot, you know, here and there. Do you know of any, have you heard of any interactions that have happened from LaFloor County itself? Yeah, a couple. There are not much. Just, you know, come in the camp leave camp uh you know nothing dangerous or anything like that just just sightings that's all it is that's usually all you see over there uh there's a couple of families there but i know they won't let will not want to be on that so i'm not going to mention it but yeah there's a couple
Starting point is 01:03:39 families in there uh the indian families uh they own quite a bit of ground back in there uh and i think the last 15 years they quit leasing it out to all the deer hunters too oh wow so that's a big deal not to do that because that's a lot of money that gets brought in. Well, I think the tribes supplementing them. Oh, sure. Then that's out of my knowledge base. Yeah. Well, that's just coming down the grapevine from them, you know.
Starting point is 01:04:08 I got you. So it's been deemed to protect the dairy. Why do you think? Indians don't want to destroy them, you know. Why did they, why did they not want to destroy them, you think? It's part of their history and culture, my friend. Yeah, definitely. One of the few things that they can still grasp on to.
Starting point is 01:04:28 Why do you think... Everything else has been wiped out for them. Why do you think Oklahoma has so many accounts of aggressive Sasquatch? It just seems like it is the epicenter of all that is aggressive in the Bigfoot world. Well, you have to look at the biodiversity. And we, shoot 20 years ago, man. places I used to hunt and fish are now houses. It's,
Starting point is 01:04:59 the ground's getting smaller and smaller. So you're having more interactions. When you have interactions, you, you shoot one of the males that don't kill it. But guess what? That male's going to tell every one of the clan members do not hang around people.
Starting point is 01:05:17 Wow. Disappear. Just walk away. And that's how they survive. I mean, you know, if you can remember back in your history days growing up in high school or, you know, they talked about the evolution and all this.
Starting point is 01:05:31 And, you know, and crow magnin stepped onto the scene, you know, they kind of, they, they, they theorized that it pushed crow mag, or, you know, the Neanderthals back into the higher altivations, uh, into the more remote areas. Uh, so, you know, it's pretty self-explanatory. You do that for, you know, 20,000, 30,000 years, you know. but you know a lot of a lot of native tribes said they didn't become aggressive for the most part I mean you know there was some like everybody there's different tribes and different clans and and now I'm learning that there's different squashes you know I only thought there was two different kinds the nice kind and the bad kind the bad time was always red in color I mean
Starting point is 01:06:18 every bad every every terrible interaction I've ever had dangerous squats red every last stink in one of them. Really? Yes. The black ones, I've had some close encounters, but they always let me walk away. They never pursued it. Once I turned and turned my back to them, they let it be. Did you ever hear of any that were four-toed?
Starting point is 01:06:44 Well, we shot a three-toed one. It had three toes and three fingers. That's the only different one. that I ever seen, but it was also red and gray. Its eyes were much bigger. It didn't have coloration in the eyes. It was almost a solid black, very little white around the eyes. They did not have the mustache, like the, like the, my squatches got.
Starting point is 01:07:16 I call them wood apes. I don't call them squashes. They're wood apes. So that's very interesting. They act like a damn ape. They are an ape, but yet they're not. I mean, for one minute, they could be an ape, and the next minute they can be a man.
Starting point is 01:07:27 I mean, you know what I'm saying? In the way they act, if that makes sense. Not in the way they look, but the way they act. So that's really curious, because earlier you were like, it looks like in Neanderthal, but you're saying there's some very intense ape behavior that is also happening as well. Yes, very, very intense.
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Starting point is 01:10:06 That's kind of, oh, man, that's not good. It's, you know, kind of an alert. I need to get out of here type of thing, you know, and it's letting the other squashes around know. But the way they set up here in the Arbuckles is not like how they set up back home. Back home, they set up sentinels. and you didn't get if the sentinels were out
Starting point is 01:10:30 and you got within the sentinels the sentinels pushed you back you just you know they would they would make it known that you wasn't supposed to be there they would either escort you out or they'd post up at you you know
Starting point is 01:10:41 and get you turn around make noises you know different stuff like that these here they don't do that once they hit the daylight they get back off in the mountains and they're not going to be
Starting point is 01:10:53 out and about they're not going to sit up on top of the cliffs and stuff to be looking out. It's just too bald and open. And I think that's the main reason they don't. But the R buckles have a monster cave system underneath it. Really? Okay.
Starting point is 01:11:07 Massive. You think they utilize that? Oh, definitely. Definitely did back home. I don't know. I don't know why they don't hear. I mean, I've not run across the, I haven't run across the, I know where the caves is at.
Starting point is 01:11:24 I just can't get to it. We'll put it that way. they just don't let you get nowhere near it. I mean, it's just, they just won't. How did they stop you from getting to it? Oh, they come out to see it. They make it known this particular place. Yeah, this place is the same place that the owner won't come within a mile and a half of this particular mountain.
Starting point is 01:11:44 He owns probably, I think he said seven and a half square miles in there. So he's got a pretty good chunk of land. and so the mountain is the squashes. That mountain is, I can hunt the bottom of it, but I ever get close to the base of it, I get escorted out every time. And if you have a long rifle with it, you're going, that's asking for trouble with these guys.
Starting point is 01:12:16 Sure. They're going to, they pick up bigger rocks. Instead of throwing stuff to size, you know, hickory nut size, and they pick up stuff to size baseballs up to basketballs and junk at you when you have a rifle. they absolutely don't like them. And I tell everybody, when we go in there,
Starting point is 01:12:31 don't carry a long, a long weapon, you know, put it on your side, 454, 44 Magnum, you know, don't you put hollow points in it, because it ain't going to penetrate, you know. Right. When you've been out there with the big, big for the squatches, have you ever heard anything that did not make sense,
Starting point is 01:12:53 why am I hearing this in this situation right now? any speech? I don't want to... I've never... Well, let me get into this. I've never seen a UFO. I've never seen orbs around them. Never, never.
Starting point is 01:13:14 Now, I have seen orbs on Lake you follow one night. We was catfishing, and it was... Oh, I don't... It was, it was big. It was kind of orange color, and it shot across the sky, and it turned real, like, it wasn't a plane. You know, it was huge. But nothing ever occurred.
Starting point is 01:13:28 But when it flew across the water, it moved the water. That's what we couldn't get because it pushed the water, you know, it put a ripple across the water out in front of it and then behind it. And it was 100 foot in the air better. And then I've seen, I've seen little orbs dancing around down like in the swampy areas, you know. But in swamp gas, I've seen swamp gas lined up at night, and that's pretty neat. It's kind of creepy. He's like, well, what's going on?
Starting point is 01:13:56 But that's all it is. I want you to get towards it and smell it. You know what it is. But yeah, I've never seen the orbs and stuff. I mean, they don't disappear like everybody says. I tell you, they're ninjas. They're ninjas. They're not spirits.
Starting point is 01:14:12 Trust me, if it bleeds, it dies. Spirits don't bleed. Spirits don't die. I got it. Have you ever heard of... Now, there might be other stuff out there in the woods. Go ahead. Have you ever heard a baby's cry when you've been out there?
Starting point is 01:14:25 Yes. I have had to babysit. This place here, the place that we've been talking about up here where I'm at now, north of me, I've been asked or not asked, and she just tossed it up there in the tent and looked at me and shook its finger up yet, which I kind of figured up me and not to get out, you know, and it looked at me and shook the finger and kind of, you know, not to let it out, you know, and they went hog-gunned. They ended up coming back with a couple of hogs. He didn't take them wrong, maybe 45 minutes because they were sitting in camp.
Starting point is 01:15:00 I heard the hog scream down on the river. One of them went, and four or five of them started discussing something amongst themselves, and she got up, bought the kid over there and dropped it in the tent. And you could smell my tent. Right now it still smells like it. I can't wash it and get the smell out for some reason. So. So it was a baby Sasquot you're saying.
Starting point is 01:15:22 Yes. When I say baby, I mean like three foot tall. able to walk, able to hop, but, you know, it's still pretty weak. That cute as button, I mean, their fingernails are white when they're small. Their fingertips are, you know, their palm is Caucasian looking, you know, the hairs or the skin's Caucasian, and it darkens up as they get older. It gets a more melanistic color to it. What do their teeth look like? Just flat and white.
Starting point is 01:15:52 They actually choose several different roots to clean them, believe it or not. not just like they're just like ours but much much wider much broader much more robust built have you ever been to a place called purgatory no okay don't don't know where that's it okay now purgatory like way up west i think we i think we drove through it one time but as far as getting out and stopping no i've just heard of it i've just heard of it in different interviews mentioned and i know what's related to Coonbo Baker, but I don't know much about it. So I was just curious.
Starting point is 01:16:32 No, I hadn't heard about that place. Like I said, Bougar Bottoms, Peacock Holler. That's going to be a local name. And then Sycamore Hollow on the river down here. That's, that's a,
Starting point is 01:16:47 it's got a lot of zinc mines up there on that base cliffs and lots of reports. Used to be lots of reports from that area, but the people have since moved. away and it's all all the houses up in there are abandoned now and there's like four homes do you think the sats squash are still there oh yeah oh yeah i'm sure they are well usually when they pick a spot they don't go nowhere i don't know where everybody gets these migration deals and maybe the ones that
Starting point is 01:17:14 most do mine aren't there they're there now they may bounce around four or five eight 10 miles you know to wherever the food's good uh but usually if it's like this year they they're they're part they're moving. There's enough stuff to eat. The only time I ever seen them disappear is when it gets like last year. They, they disappeared on me and they just now showed back up in the last four and a half months or so. Couldn't tell you where they went either.
Starting point is 01:17:44 What's how long has it been since you, you've seen a big foot? Um, see, when was turkey season? Uh, April. April. Gotcha.
Starting point is 01:17:57 Yeah. Yeah. It stepped out in the pipeline. And when it saw the hen decoy up there, it looked, you know, and saw me and turned and went right back in. And this is, I just is one of the places that they know me there. So it wasn't too freaked out. He was just looking for a meal. But I've kind of, well, I had to shoot at one of the males over here.
Starting point is 01:18:23 And so they kind of stopped coming straight up to me and hanging out like they used to. Now kind of dangerous. I wouldn't hurt them to say the soul. I just shot over his head so he'd leave me alone. That's the only reason I've done it. And they ran Muskie for about a month. Wellness looks different at every stage. The right support makes all the difference.
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Starting point is 01:20:39 He started popping back in, you know, and I tossed fish over the deal with fish, but it wasn't like it was. I mean, but, yeah, as far as getting in there and seeing them on the river, it's not too big with problems, you know. The neighbors all know about them over there. Most of them won't even go on the river. Yeah, I'm so thankful for your time. It's been over an hour. This has been amazing. we'll end with this like what are the questions that people like me are not asking that we should be asking about these creatures
Starting point is 01:21:16 well mainly why do y'all want to get so close to them that's what i want to know uh i understand the infatuation with them but they're a highly dangerous animal uh if you're not well aware of their body language and the postures. You guys have got all the calls almost all wrong for what they stand for. The Ohio is a location called between a married,
Starting point is 01:21:46 what we would call me and you a married couple or, you know, from him to her. That's what that is. And that's every night before darkened. She should give that off because the males do not stay with the clan
Starting point is 01:22:02 most of the time. They're around very close, but you usually don't stay with them because they're kind of dangerous. They're pricks. But what you get a family clan where it's several of them and they all work together. It's totally different atmosphere.
Starting point is 01:22:18 There'll be one or two that make all the decisions and everybody else they might not like it but they'll go along with it. If you have a problem with one of them of the clan and you ever get alone with
Starting point is 01:22:32 him, he's probably going to kill you. That's just the way they are. They're very, um, act like a little spilt rotten kids, what they act like. If they don't get their way, they get mad. And it could be day, two days, three days, four days, five days before they get unmad.
Starting point is 01:22:51 And sometimes they just don't ever get mad at you. They just, they don't like you. And that's where you see all this stuff going on. But a lot of is trying to communicate to you. you know because they'd just soon work with you then against you for sure but you know if they can't trust you they they won't have nothing to do with you they're they're very weird like that very selective who they who they hang out with i mean i took a man a couple out of uh florida over to this place that the dangerous squashes and within three hours at the dart they were
Starting point is 01:23:32 already gone. I'm not talking about the squatches. I'm talking about the other two people. They literally left in a full. I've still got their gear. They won't even talk to me on Facebook or nothing now. They just got too scared. I tried to send them there.
Starting point is 01:23:47 Well, she got hit with a stick across the back. It was about three inches in diameter. Knocked her on the ground. And I told them, you know, once it gets dark, put your helmets on. And he didn't put a helmet on. didn't even bring one and they don't mean they just rained down on us which is that's just where they are I'll sit there in it you know just just pat up and just sit there and let them let take it you know because they'll eventually get tired of it and that's when they'll come in to camp
Starting point is 01:24:18 start you know why aren't you leaving you know they get a little more bold but they they won't just frere up smack you in the head for no parent reason uh you know he's not going to kill you because you come into his territory you know he's just not he's going to try to push you out and he gets through 18 12 13 14 times
Starting point is 01:24:38 that you're just not going to push out he'll try to make friends with you if you're not taking from his belly Wow that's fascinating when you go to when you go to taking from their food
Starting point is 01:24:51 that's when they get mad at you country the thing that's weird is that other people have said that that whole leave half of what you what you get when you go hunting. That comes from back in the old days, from back when we used to work hand in hand together with them, you know.
Starting point is 01:25:11 That's how you live side by side with them. You left half, you know. So, hey, I know you're here, you know. Because we're much better hunters than they are by far. They're just better woodsmen than we are. Because if you'll set a man in the woods for a year, I guarantee you he'll be a different person. and if you get a man that knows how to hunt and fish and he has a squat siding that you turn that man into you can you can put him up against and if he can hold his gumption to it and I should say you can put him up against any man that the military ever trained I guarantee you as far as brass you know having the gumption well because these things can have a psychological effect on it even if you let them I mean I picked that up a lot of
Starting point is 01:26:03 The way I look at it, if you can't build a car, you ain't top dog. You know what I'm saying? If you can't make a projectile come out of a bullet, you know, have a gun, you're not top dog. But until you level the playing field and then who's top dog? Yeah, that's the thing. We've lost that, we lost that old way to us, you know. We've become very easygoing, I guess you would say, lazy. I agree with that.
Starting point is 01:26:33 Country, before we finish up, do you have any final last words or? Yeah, when you guys go to woodknock and don't knock the fire out of the tree because that's a sign of oppression. That's why they come into you immediately. I know that's what you want. Start off with a single light wood knock because when you go pounding on that wood and like a lot of these guys are doing, you're going to, you're going to, you're, one of these times you're going to run across the wrong squatch and
Starting point is 01:27:06 he's going to be looking for a female or a clan to join and well that's a sign of aggression so don't do that don't don't make don't hit it as hard as you can I mean just just light knocks fair enough three three is uh you're in trouble uh that's what their their their deal is uh if they scream you're screwed uh after the three knocks go and they go to screaming at you
Starting point is 01:27:31 uh or wailing like if you hurt one yeah, you're probably not going to get out alive if you're not used to it. I mean, they're very, very, very fast. And it dark, you can't hardly see them when they're moving. I mean, they're that past. You might catch the eye glow, you know, occasionally if they look at you. But other than that, you're just going to catch a little fleeting shadow, you know, with the light 99 times out of 100.
Starting point is 01:28:02 I mean, they're very sneaky. That's incredible. Thank you so much, country. This has been an incredible chat. I really appreciate it. You bet. Here at Bigfoot Society, our goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment.
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