Bigfoot Society - Crowd-sourcing a Global Bigfoot Map and A Texas Squatch Encounter | Bigfoot Mapping Project | Scott Tompkins

Episode Date: March 26, 2022

#121Scott Tompkins is the founder of the Bigfoot Mapping Project, based out of Houston, TX. Fueled by an encounter almost 20 years ago while hiking in his hometown, Beacon, NY and even further motivated today by a recent encounter while bow hunting in Texas he aims to leverage technology and crowd-sourcing to enrich the field of Bigfoot Research. Driven by the desire to protect and learn about an undiscovered species, Scott uses his analytical skills to share new maps and information with the Bigfoot Community.Join the Bigfoot Society Patreon for an extra 22 minutes with Scott where we talk his crazy Louisiana adventures and his thoughts on the Not-Deer! You'll also get a sweet membership card, a special vinyl sticker and much, much more!https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyTune in every Saturday at 5 pm Central for new episodes of Bigfoot Society!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7QIG: https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Website: https://bit.ly/3jvKIm7Donate: https://bit.ly/3C4hodMShop: https://etsy.me/3ptlubQiTunes: https://apple.co/3fmmhTCSpotify: https://spoti.fi/3vF1vIriHeart Radio: https://ihr.fm/3CarDgDStitcher: https://bit.ly/3m75I4xFacebook: https://bit.ly/3b5XgMpFull links: https://bit.ly/bigfootlinksResource:Bigfoot Mapping Project website - https://www.bigfootmap.comInstagram - https://www.instagram.com/bigfootmappingproject/The Cold Vanish by John Billman (Recommended by Scott) affiliate link:https://amzn.to/3Dt1TxLSupport the show

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This week I talked to my new friend Scott Tompkins from the Bigfoot Mapping Project. We talk about all sorts of stuff to do with Bigfoot conservation. We talk about Scott's encounters with Bigfoot in New York State and in Texas. We talk about what it's like to lead the Bigfoot mapping project, and also about the cool app that they have and what it's like to get crowdsourced reports. about Bigfoot. So really enjoyed this interview with Scott. I've been really wanting to talk to him ever since I saw him in the Beyond the Trail episode Sawgrass Skunkave, which you should definitely check on on YouTube. But enjoy this interview I had with Scott Tompkins from the Bigfoot mapping

project and have a enjoyable time. All right. Thanks for coming back to the Bigfoot Society podcast. I've got new friend Scott Tompkins here with me. from the Bigfoot mapping project. How's it going, Scott? Very well. Very happy to be here. Chat before the show was great, so I get to know you a bit and very excited to meet everyone in the audience and get talking Bigfoot. Sweet.

Well, Scott, let's start out by going over a little bit about you so our audience knows what they are in for. So I'll look over your bio you sent over here. So Scott is the founder of the Bigfoot mapping project based out of Houston, Texas. fueled by an encounter about 20 years ago while hiking his hometown of Beacon, New York, and even further motivated today by a recent encounter while boh hunting in Texas. We'll talk about that, definitely. He aims to leverage technology and crowdsourcing to enrich the field of Bigfoot research, which is awesome.

Scott uses analytical skills to share new maps and information with the Bigfoot community. So cool. So just what I know about, Watch it. And something that is so cool is, I am a huge fan. I'm sure we'll talk about this as well. The Bigfoot mapping projects app is super cool. You know, I'm a big, like, iPhone guy. And it's just, it's amazing. Like, you've got the map. But it's also like I can see all the BFRO reports, right? But you also have it set up so that people can submit reports, which is so cool. And like, hats off to you, dude. Yeah, that's actually a huge part of the project, right? It's the crowdsourcing part, taking it to the next level. Everyone has a phone.

Everyone has apps, right? And my idea was when building the app, all right, what's going to be interesting? And when I first started the project, obviously, I didn't have a database of sighting. So I hit the internet and found a database that I had already been reading in the past. And I thought about it, why don't I put this in the app as some historical data, right? So it's called Manjani's Bigfoot database, yep. And I'm sure a lot of people are familiar with it. And I cite him in the app just to make sure that people know where it comes from.

Awesome. And that data set to start off had BFRO sightings in it up to 2016. Okay. And a bunch of other organizations from Kansas and Pennsylvania and Texas. and Kentucky's in there, many, many places. So if you are clicking around, you'll see some URLs that go to other organizations' webpages as well with different reports.

So it's a pretty great database. It's super good. So it was a great jump-off point to get the app started. And then the really important part, like I was saying, is the crowdsourcing where we can start to build onto that and capture stuff from 2016 forward and really start to, to capture the data in a more uniform database so I can perform a bit more analytical stuff on it

with a lot of a lot more information in a standard format. Yeah, it's super cool. Has there been a favorite report that's come in through it that you're like, oh, I can't believe that this only is out in the open because of something, some app that I set together, like that just blew you away or anything that comes to mind? There is one particular report in northern Idaho that comes to mind. And when you zoom in on the map, you'll see it was an elk hunter.

His wife posted it actually. And he captured some pictures of a footprint. And it's quite large next to his boot in the photos. He's got about three photos that he submitted. And it's a very interesting posting. And it was one of the first. So it really sticks out as a successful proof of concept for the app. And it was kind of a like, woohoo moment.

You know, people are using it. And we're getting evidence. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, I don't, I don't purchase a lot of apps. But I was like, when I, when I heard it, I looked it up in the app store and it's like, I don't even care. Purch. Like, this is amazing.

This is a great investment. And like, it's, it's very cool. Like, I literally talk about all the time. So Scott, like that's off. Thank you. Thanks for making, thanks for making an awesome tool for the community. And I can't wait. My pleasure.

As I mentioned before, I'm involved with software. I like seeing how things progresses. And I can't, I can't wait to see what the future of the app is. It's probably some very cool stuff. Me, there has got a lot of ideas, a lot of stuff on the drawing board right now, trying to decide which direction to go. One thing before we move on from the app, I'd like to bring up is the website has a web app built in where you can go visit and you don't have to purchase the app to get a lot of the functionality that's in the mobile app. It's also on the website for free.

So that way I know some people are averse to buying apps for a lot of good reasons. So it's all out there. And there was two reasons why I made the app. I set it at $2. One is it funds, you know, there's software behind this and website admin fees and that kind of stuff. So it's a nice way to kind of supplement that. And then like you said, some people look at an app and go, oh, it's two bucks. I'm not going to buy that.

So it's a good way to weed out people that would be making fake reports, right? Oh, that's true. Yeah. It's not free. so they're not going to go in there and make the effort, spend money to get in and make fake report. So it's kind of another filter for folks who might be motivated to be trolls, right? Trolls in the Bigfoot community?

I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah, exactly. So that was the idea behind it. And I just don't like ads in my apps either. So there's a good way to keep it. Oh, yeah, hats off to you. You know, it's like, and it's such a good experience. But that's a great, a great thigh.

It's like it would be affected with with apps or with ads in the app. So thank you for not putting it in there. And yeah, it's cool. No problem. I know how annoying ads can be when you're, you know, they're persistent.

So it was just a good way to keep them out of there and keep the experience better. And really keep it all about Bigfoot. And sightings, right? Let's, let's rewind a bit. I always like to, um,

to kind of get the, the background. And in your bio, you go over a few things. You allude to them. So tell me, well, let's start here. So, like, is the encounter that we haven't talked about, is that your introduction to Bigfoot? Like, what sparked it? Or is there something even before that?

Well, my intro to Bigfoot growing up, I was when I had my first encounter in Beacon, I was about 15 years old, 14, 15 years old, almost 20 years ago, maybe a little more than 20 years ago. So obviously everyone's kind of heard the Patterson Gimlin film at that point. I had seen it and seen some documentaries and different things. But I wasn't really hooked yet or very interested in learning more about Bigfoot. It was just kind of a urban myth to me at that point, something people talk about. And when I was hiking with my friend, we were on top of Mount Beacon on the backside of it, going around a reservoir towards the fire tower. There's a fire tower on the top.

And it's kind of a very well-known trail now. At the time, 20 years ago, it was just you had to know about it kind of and go find it. So we were rounding the corner and this tree starts shaking. And there's also this guttural, like deep, deep, deep roar. Like, there's no way a person could make this sound. And the tree was a good way to. measure of tree would be it's called dbh diameter at breast height which is how they document trees when they're doing different studies and stuff so this tree was probably 18 to 20 inches diameter at

breast type dbh so it's a big tree it's kind of a you know a few years old and it was shaking all the way up to the canopy violently so we looked at each other and we just booked it out of there we were kids you know so we got a little scared and sprinted down the mountain that that was the extent of the first sighting. Yeah. But after that, I was like, there is something out there. This is unexplainable. Up until that point, I'd never been so primally scared, right?

Like this adrenaline, fight or flight, sure. Hair standing up on the back of your neck type fear. And it just kind of awoke this curiosity of what is out there? What was that? And from there, I just always had it in the back of my mind going through school and college and working in the field and flash forward to, I guess, last year, COVID, right, 2020. And I was like, I have a lot of free time now that I'm locked in the house.

What am I going to do? Right. And I'd always had the idea to build this database, right, for Bigfoot sightings and do crowdsourcing based on my experience, you know, in school and work. And so I built that and I kind of started to nurture that and get really into making the maps. And then hunting season hit. So I kind of slowed down a little bit because now I had hunting to be occupied with. And I'm really into getting out there and chase some whitetails.

So I was hunting. It was October. It was Boe season. And this was just last year. So this is 2021. Right. And I was walking out. out after uneventful evening, didn't see anything.

And it was just dusk, dark enough where you could still see to walk. The moon's out and where I hunt. It's actually pretty, you can see if you know where a trail is, right? If you're familiar, you don't really need a flashlight that well, that much. So I was walking out and there's a lot of hogs there. So I look to my left and I'm on a river bottom. So the river river river bottom is to my left. There's a fence, like a barbed wire fence, and then there's a cow pasture on my right.

So I was walking the fence line and I parked my truck kind of like a quarter mile away down the pasture. And I got close to my truck, probably 30, 40 yards from my truck. And I look to my left and there's this mass, like a shadow kind of like a hog or like a bear would look like, you know, dark. There's no bears in this part of Texas where I was hunting, so that it scratched off the list. So I just thought, all right, that's a big hog. Let me just stand here and watch where it goes. It looks like it's probably going to go towards the river bottom. They don't usually come out into the pasture unless they're crossing.

There's nothing for them to eat or dig up. So I figured it was just going to hang out in the river bottom and kind of eventually catch my scent or just see me and mozy on off. So I watched it for a couple seconds. And then it stood up. Yeah, exactly. That was my reaction. That's exactly what I said was, whoa, just like that. Just kind of deadpan, holy moly reaction, just whoa.

And this thing at that point, I think, heard me and it squatted back down. Whether or not it saw me, I really don't know. But I assume it did because it stood up and maybe wanted to make its presence known. I don't really know. But when I said, whoa, it squatted back down, like maybe you didn't see me, you know. And then another couple seconds went by and I'm thinking to myself, what do I, what do I do? What do I say? Do it.

So my friends know me and I'm sure if I do a few more podcasts, I'll get better at it. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. We'll be right back after these messages. I usually have something to say, right? So I didn't. I was out of loss for words. And all I could think to say was, I see you. Just like, you know, like I found you.

I see you. I hide and seek. You're it. But it probably didn't come out as strong as it sounds on the interview now. It was probably more like, I see you. You know, up an octave high. And I do the same thing, dude. I would be, yeah.

So I was definitely nervous. My voice might have cracked. Yeah. Thank God people weren't there to witness that event. It's just big foot, yeah. So at that point, it stood back up and it just turned around and booked it. And behind it, it was squatted behind, like, for lack of a better term, like scrub brush, kind of grassy. Everything in Texas, a lot of plants, particularly just wild foliage has thorns, burrs.

vines. So it's really like a bramble patch out there when you're walking. You've got your foot will get caught under vines all the time. You just got to be careful. So he took off to the woods behind him. And it's thick. And all you just hear is, you know, branches snapping and steps going through the woods. And towards that, there's a river that goes, transects the property. And this is Sophia Bush from Work in Progress with Sophia Bush. And now a break from our sponsor, Miracle Grow. Let's be real. We're all feeling a little digitally distracted and time starved lately. We're craving real connections and ways to unplug. And honestly, gardening is the ultimate way to do this. It isn't just about plants. It's about trading the digital noise for a quiet win. As you pour

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and it was it was an event. I'm pretty lucky. And, you know, once the adrenaline wore off, it was between Colin my fiancee or my mom. And the first person I called those my mom, I was like, hey, you're never going to believe what I saw. And it was just, you know, the adrenaline wore off. I told my family and a few people.

And then I started thinking about it. I was like, you know, like I was saying, I just started this big foot mapping project in 2020. And now I have this siting where it is, this was a big, big creature. It had to be six and a half feet, seven feet tall. I'm a former athlete, former wrestler. So I like, I wouldn't say I'm very in shape right now. I'm 35. I have a desk job.

So, you know, you know what happens. Working on a dad bod. Yeah, dude. Yep. I was in trouble. Like I would have been in a situation. Oh, yeah. You had this happen.

So I'm just thinking to myself, you know, I started the big foot. Of course, now people are going to be like, yeah, yeah, the Bigfoot mapping guy had a Bigfoot sighting. What a coincidence, you know, but by sheer luck, I wasn't out there looking for Bigfoot. I was out there trying to, you know, get a deer. You're looking for deer, yeah. Exactly. Bow hunting, right? You said?

Yes, yes, bow hunting. So can I ask some follow-up questions to, just? shoot curious yeah so you're you're sitting there you've got your bow with you was it a thing where like did you have the back and forth internally like i've got the bow i could or not for a second quick you were just like whoa bam well not for i'd never thought a shoot like okay not for a second i was like this bow is useless like right and my thought was as self-defense not as uh yeah not as a a weapon to i'm not pro-kill a lot of people have asked me that because of the nature of the database and the location and people are concerned that there's going to be people out there

that have different intentions and i'm i'm approaching more from a conservation aspect i get yeah yeah so to answer your question no i didn't didn't really think oh i can i can reach a mare it's only 30 yards but and the second reason is once it's dark I don't even think about putting an arrow. Oh, good point. Yeah. Good point. Nope.

Then that's Bigfoot or not, that's just safety 101, right? Yeah. But the thing is, is like, you're not going to take down Bigfoot with an arrow. I mean, well, maybe I, the way I see it is you're probably not going to take down Bigfoot with an arrow unless you're like a hawkye and you have like an anti-bigfoot arrow that like exploded. or something. I don't know. I'm good out to 30 yards when it's a deer, you know, 30, 45 yards, confident. And I practice a lot.

But I can't say that I would have been accurate if I registered that it was Bigfoot and I needed to defend myself. There's no way. There's no way. I would have even, as much as I would have been shaking, you know. Yeah. There's no way I could have even. Sure.

I would have been throwing it at them, the whole bow. That's about it. Um, as you mentioned it was, it was darker. So I'm guessing like probably didn't see much in the for features or anything. No. I, I wish like I replay that. And to really try to really be able to answer that question, it would be a guess. And I wish, I wish it was just a little earlier.

Oh, man. Because then it would have been lighter. And I could have distinguished color or hue at least. But what I did see was size, right? General size, you could, I could clearly distinguish shoulders like a big, huge head, a huge head. And just a very solid looking. Well, I've said this before. You know how guerrillas sometimes when they stand up?

They have like a pot belly. Oh, yeah. Sure. Yep. That wasn't, it was lean. It was an athletic looking figure, right? Like a body building. type, but long, long, long arms and huge forearms.

And I could kind of see the hands, you know, cut a little like a silhouette. But that's as good as a guy, just like a silhouette, sadly. So I'm curious, did you ever, you know, being the guy who's always looking at maps and stuff, did you then after, let's say you had that sighting, did you look to see if there are any other sightings that happened in that area or was yours kind of like a one-off or weirdly it is a sparse area of that part of Texas I did go there and there's a couple but nothing that would draw me there by looking at a map at a high level it wouldn't stand out to me as an area where I would think to go do any type of exploration or research honestly it's kind of a surprise to me and it's very low

pop low population. For example, the cattle ranch that I hunt on is huge. It's 11,000 acres. So, and I hunt a tiny, tiny part of it, 200 acres that I have permission to hunt on. And Texas is interesting. And I don't know if a lot of people know this coming from different parts of the United States. Texas is 95% privately owned land. So there's not a lot of, yeah, there's not a lot of public land to go exploring. There's like national forests and stuff like that, National Park on the big bend is, I want to get out there. I haven't been there yet. But to get anywhere else in Texas, you generally have to be on a hunting lease or get permission. So it's not surprising that there's not a lot of sightings because you just can't

be on a lot of these places, which is interesting, right? So that means there's not a lot of people and what really could be out there. You don't know what, you know, it's explains why there's not a lot of sightings and you need people to have sightings. There's some weird stuff in Texas too. It's like because you got what you got all these ranches where it's like dudes have like they bring in animals, special animals. Oh, exotics. Yeah, exotics, right? So you have no idea what you're going to run into if you just, you know.

Yeah, it could be wild. Down the road, not far from where I hunt, there is a place called Eagle Lake. And they have a high, it's called a high fence ranch. And it's just like it sounds, it's got a high fence because these gazelles and Impala and water bucks and zebra and all this stuff. Oh, man. Can you just jump Axis deer, sick of deer. Yep. Texas has the most exotics in the U.S.

There's species that, just to go down a rabbit trail for a minute. Yeah. There are more of some of these. species in Texas than there are in the rest of the world. Exactly. That's so wild. So this industry is keeping them from going extinct basically, right? Just through hunting is really an interesting concept.

So anyway, sorry, I digress. That email is bigfoot society at gmail.com if you'd like to, if you'd like to comment. What's that? I was just like, I'm sure some listener is going to send me a comment on that. I'm like, it's Bigfoot Society at gmail.com if you want to send me. Thank you on, dude. Come on. Let's party.

No, I'm cool with that. I'm cool with that. What is the main, if you had to say what the main goal of the Bigfoot mapping project is, what's like your guiding light, your true north? It's like my mission statement. Yeah. Really, I should write that down, actually. It's a great way to refine that. Yeah, but starting out my idea, there's two facets.

I'm really about this project. The first one is learning more about this creature by capturing data and putting it all in one place. Right. So when you have all of these different organizations doing a lot of hard work like BFRO or Texas Bigfoot resource, a bunch of them, up in Washington, you name it across the country. Yep. And they all maintain these separate databases. Then it's just the same concept as like Homeland Security.

When the FBI and the CIA and NSA all share their databases, you get better intelligence, right? So that's the concept, is bringing it into one place so we can learn more about Bigfoot and treat it like a conservation organization. So we can figure out what kind of forests we need to protect. When we, you know, what hunting seasons impact Bigfoot, what type of construction, what type of how population growth, all these different things, how they affect the population of Bigfoot. And by bringing it all in one place, we can do that. So the first thing is to learn about Bigfoot and protect the animal. The second one is to feature what technology can do, modern technology can do for conservation or for any.

anything you might want to use like GIS for. I'm very pro-GIS. So like imagine I didn't know what GIS was when I went to college. I had no idea, right? So I took it as an elective and fell in love with GIS. You can solve so many puzzles with it. You can do emergency management. You can do search and rescue.

You can do conservation. You can do farming. You can do you name it. We touch GIS almost every day. So that's the second part of it is showing people. and exposing what GIS is and what I can do. So two things I love being outdoors, looking for Bigfoot and GIS technology.

I love Excel. I love statistics. I love it. I'm a nerd, actually, at heart. It makes sense that it would be like if you love that stuff, then you love Bigfoot, like this just has to happen. Well, yeah, exactly. It marries the two.

And it just hopefully it comes through that this is a passion project for me. I'm not doing it, not doing it disingenuously, right? This is this is all about analyzing the data and getting interesting, useful insights out of it. So, and sharing that, right? It's important to share that. So, you know, being like, you know, we're both Bigfoot nerds, right? We're into it. Have because of this project that you're doing, had there been any like,

cool like collaborations or our partnerships or like you know some you know some guy was like oh that's awesome and you're like holy mackerel you're this dude and like this is blowing my mind like you know there's been a couple actually i'll start with one who we both know Alex Petacoff yeah Alex Petacoff is so cool I love I couldn't go an episode up with I just talked so good so I couldn't go an episode without bringing him up he's a great guy and he's like a I was thinking about it after the episode. And he's like a big foot encyclopedia. He is, I mean, for sure. Interesting stuff. History of everything. I will be mid-conversation. He's like, oh, that reminds me of this sighting from, you know, 150 years ago. And he'll remember the guy's name. And so smart.

And he's really an interesting person, actually. So he reached out. And we've done a few different collaborations one of them was his florida series that he's got going on for on the trail bigfoot which uh i won't say any spoilers but i uh i did help him with some maps and some uh stuff for him when i and that uh just to to rabbit trail for a quick second and then go for it i love rabbit trail when i saw uh that beyond the trail i think it was saw saw sawgrass skunkie that one and you were like oh i was like oh my goodness this Bigfoot mapping project. Like this is going to rock and it rocked real good.

Like I was so happy about that partnership and like he kind of made it a little like Sasquatch out of the shadows at the beginning with the interview between you. Yeah. This is awesome. And then I was like, holy mackerel, I got to get Scott on real quick because people are going to watch this because a lot of people watch those things on small town monsters. It's going to be hard to talk to this guy because everyone's going to be like, bam. And I was like, I got him. So yeah.

Oh, I'll come back. anytime. You're one of the first people I followed when I created my Instagram account for Bigfoot mapping project. I found you instantly. So, yeah, it's, I'm, it's actually me wanting to talk to you. It's not the other way around. So it's a pleasure to be here.

You tricked me. So who else? The long con. The long con. Dude, that's how you get the good interview swing. Just kidding. So who, who else was kind of blowing your mind? when you were like, oh, man, this is crazy.

I'm talking to this dude. A lot of people. A lot of people are really nice and they reach out. That's awesome. It's been some big data professors from different universities. Oh, wow. You've reached out. And there's one that really stands out.

And I mentioned this on Monday. Is Dr. Meldrum reached out and asked me to write an article for his big relict. Wow. Hominoid inquiry. And I was. This is Sophia Bush from Work in Progress with Sophia Bush. And now a break from our sponsor, Miracle Grow. Let's be real.

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Is this really Dr. Meldron? Right. He's the nicest dude, though. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. We'll be right back after these messages. He is so nice. Yeah.

Like ridiculously nice and down to earth and very interesting to speak with. And I've done a couple things for him back and forth. Wow. I think he has, I don't know, I don't want to spoil anything, but I've made a couple maps for him and he has some stuff coming out. Whether he'll use the maps or not, I don't know. But I'm looking forward to seeing what he does with them. So no spoiler, hopefully some good stuff.

Even if it doesn't get released, then you can be like, ah, Meldrum has, Dr. Meldrum has maps of mine in his private collection. Ah, which is even crazy to think of that. about right oh that was all my mind dude yeah it's all um it's a little bit surreal because this was a concept i've been thinking about for years and to see how it's grown over the last almost year and a half roughly um and the reception from most people is great i also i got to say it there's some really funny trolls on instagram that just crack me up i like the comment i like to go back and forth and joke of them because they're pretty witty. They're funny.

But the overall, overall the people that I get to interact with and meet and start to talk and have different conversations with, they're all very nice, very supportive, and they all have great input and questions. Fantastic. Yeah, it's been a great experience. I hope it stays that way, right? But it's been great. So yeah, to answer your question, if you let me talk, I'll talk. But, uh, oh, that's funny. Um, I don't, I don't know how this would translate, but have you, is it ever a thing where maybe the Bigfoot mapping project would show up at like a, like a, uh, Bigfoot festival or a convention, maybe like, like,

has it before, I guess, maybe already. We haven't yet. I haven't, I haven't, I haven't had the opportunity or really the idea to do that. I got invited to the Alaska. Oh, yeah. Bigfoot festival conference. Yeah. And near Denali. And I was going to fly up. I actually made them a web app for their conference. So everyone there could have like an interactive experience. And I featured just Alaska. I don't feature Alaska a lot. And so I made a very special. map for them because we went back and forth and they were great. So it was just spur of the moment, kind of couldn't get off of work. If I could do this full time, I'd be all over the place. Let me tell you, but, you know, maybe one day, maybe one day. I would go van life very quickly.

Oh, yeah. I don't know. I wouldn't, but like for you, that would be so cool. It would be ideal. Well, I guess you can do it as a family dude, but we'll see. I'll start with, I've got to get my podcast studio shed going. So as we were talking about before, it's coming someday. Yeah, you know, it would be cool if you did like a storage container one, soundproofed it. Oh, that'd be weird. Yeah, that'd be.

It could work though. It could work. Great studio. Yeah, totally, totally. you've done special stuff for other people. You've done some stuff for Emily, right? Yes, I have. Yep, Corpus Flur.

Yep. I made a web app for her. And every once in a while, I'll make her maps for her Instagram account or her. She had a Patreon, I believe. So I would make stuff that she'd release kind of there first for her community and then put it out. We actually had a great, I think she was my first podcast interview. So if you go back and listen to that, all you hear me saying is,

because I was nervous, right? When everything you say is recorded, it kind of is a whole different, you know, experience. So you kind of just apply that filter a little more. And I'm a New Yorker at heart. So I got to be careful with my natural tendency to be not safe for work. no i love your accent your accent definitely comes out i'm from western mass originally then i moved out to iowa okay uh 10 12 years ago but like yeah the new york accent is so fun to uh but um kind of really going back words a little bit though but beak what area's beacon in is that atorondacks

or where is that at uh beacons in the hudson valley uh the hudson highlands actually it's um really it's It's about an, if you're familiar with West Point Military Academy, right on the Hudson River, Beacons on the east side of the Hudson River, about an hour north of New York City as the crow flies. It's just north of the widest part of the Hudson River. I think it's like five miles wide. And it's off of 84, I-84. If you're from Western Mass, 84, you can kind of get there. So Beacon is actually, it's a great town.

I miss it every day. My parents and folks and my brother still live there and the rest of my family, extended family. And it's got wonderful hiking. It's got creeks and waterfalls. And it's the best of both worlds. You can hop on a train and get to New York City really quick. Or you can go hike to the top of the mountain at the fire tower like I was talking about

and see the New York City skyline from the top of the mountain. So definitely, I will be a tour guide for Beacon and a heartbeat. I'm very, very pro beacon. It's great, you know. It's a great small town, full of art, full of coffee shops, and all kinds of stuff. My parents actually, if I may plug them, they have a... Do you ask you please anything you want to? They were recently rated the best donut in New York State.

They're glazed over donuts and Beacon. In the whole state? In the whole state, yeah. Really? Yep, you got to go. Including New York City. I'm actually kind of lucky I don't live there because I'd be 400 pounds. Wow.

What's the name? of their shop. It's called glazed over donuts. Okay. That sounds like it should my, okay. Sorry, sorry. Sorry. I digress again. I'm, I don't want to give too much away about, so let's just say maybe I do watch some food network. Okay. But it's, that sounds like, I wonder if they are, have they been on the food network at all? No, they've been in a bunch of different magazines and stuff. But, yeah, it's. It's my mom, it's a mom and pop shop right now. Yeah.

If you go in there, my mom will be in the back. My dad's at the cash register. I love it. I love it. So we get out there sometimes. So I will have to keep that on mind and you never know. Maybe be like, dude, your, your son is great at making Bigfoot maps. If you tell them that, they'll load you up with donuts.

So it's like a secret pass for you. So there you go. Win, win. So let's talk about this. If someone's, if someone asks you, hey, what is Bigfoot? because this is always an interesting question to throw out because it can go so many different ways. Oh, you have some good questions. This is when I've been asked before.

Yeah. You've been doing this a while, haven't you? But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Bigfoot. I approach it more from a biological conservation type environmental science background. And I think Bigfoot is likely a primation.

that is, I wouldn't say as intelligent as we are humans, but like they don't make their own tools, for example, but maybe they can learn to imitate us. You know, you don't see Bigfoot, you know, they'll hit sticks and do tree knocks and stuff and throw things, but generally there haven't been many reports of Bigfoot using tools in other ways, right? So that I'm aware of, that I've read. So I don't think that they quite. Are you correct? Right. I hope so. Out of everything I've read, at least I can at least I can say out of everything I've read. I haven't come across them being a tool using tool creating type intelligence. We'll leave it as there might be people that disagree with us. And that's sure. Sure. Yeah. This is just, you know, you're in. By all means, this is this is the opinion I've formed based on what I have experienced and read. So I, I have.

I'm very open to being wrong. I'm very open to hearing and listening to other people's opinions. But I think they're somewhere in between Rangentan and guerrilla intelligence or chimpanzee and us somewhere in between. Nice. Okay. Yeah, I'm pretty much right there with you. I just love, and I've talked about this a few times, but I just love all the stuff that the Olympic project is doing. And it's like the thing that gets it gets does it for me is just like when I think this is talked about in Seth's doc about the discovery one.

It's just like, you know, you've got these nests out there and brought in like people from zoos, primatologists. and just the fact that they looked at the maps in or they, they looked at the nest in the past and they're like, that's what guerrillas and stuff do in the zoos. I'm like, that's it. Game over. Game over kids. I've dying to see. I would love to be out there and actually just set eyes on the nest.

Ever since I heard of that, I've been fascinated by that. Actually, speaking in the forest flur earlier, she did something with Josh, I believe. NW Bigfoot maps where I talked to him last week, yep. Right, right. I listened to it actually. Oh, fun. Yeah, it was fun.

He's a really cool dude. He's a great guy. He's super, super smart, super supportive. We kind of collaborate here and there. We definitely talk back and forth. And I think he did a map for Emily where he looked at Huckleberry. And that reading about that was a very interesting insight, right? I didn't know any of that.

So it's really. interesting just to the correlation they made between Huckleberry and the nesting sites and that it's a birthing aid and really interesting. I didn't not know any of that. So it started to even advance my insight on that. So in stuff I was trying to figure out. It'll be, we've been talking since that episode and because I did find a dog man database. Yeah. Put together by Timothy Renner. from, I can't think of the words, never mind. Oh, this is terrible.

I'm going to just so many like people like, come on. It's the dude that has the podcast about like the kind of paranormal type of Bigfoot. This is terrible. I can't remember it anyway. Oh, man. I'm sure I've listened to it. I know I have because I listen to podcasts while I work. So I'll skip through all.

I guarantee you I've listened. It'll come to meet one of us. Yeah, it will. It will. But so he made a database. And so Josh is seriously looking into maybe making a map with it. I think that's a great idea. It should be awesome.

I think there's a lot of overlap between Dogman. And really, I'd never heard of Dog Man until I started the Bigfoot mapping project. I didn't know. And so as I was going through different reports, this started to come up. And then there's a lot of ambiguity between reports where it's like, that could be a Bigfoot, you know, or what did they really see? You know, I'd love to see that. And then proximity to Bigfoot sightings would be really interesting insight. When you, so you're getting reports all the time.

Do people, do they send you stuff that's not Bigfoot? And like, so you're, they send you reports of other stuff like non-Bigfoot cryptids or like Dodgers? or like dogma's pretty much all bigfoot pretty much all big foot i've been i've had a lot of requests to maybe add like another category for other cryptids or supernatural stuff um like ghost hauntings and things like that and uh maybe one day down the road i'll create another website uh that does that but okay this is really my passion and i i really worry about getting too distrae It's called scope creep, right? Like,

yep, I want to focus. Yes. I want to do, I want to do this and do it well and really focus on providing something that's, uh, semi professional, right?

This is something that's going to be authoritative, hopefully in the Bigfoot community. And if I, if I spread myself too thin and focus on too many things, I just wouldn't be doing quality work. So, uh, I agree with you.

I think it's a good idea, but I'm just not, ready to do that yet. I think I think you're definitely on on the right track where it's like focus on being you know really establishing yourself. It I have in my opinion like it's already there. It's just getting better all the time where like thank you are like you know, you know, for Bigfoot reports and making a map out of it and like no one you know, it's, it's, It's tough. It's tough to be for sure. I will say for listeners that were like, maybe listeners are like, oh, I wish there was a map out there, kind of similar.

But like it included other stuff. You may want to check out liminal earth, which is very cool. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. We'll be right back after these messages. Some guys, a group out of the Pacific Northwest, Washington area, I believe. but I'll be I'll be interviewing them in a few weeks or months, who knows. I forget the day. As I told you, I'm booked out until mid-June.

That's impressive. It all kind of just goes together. But that will be really fun. So I think it's liminal. Dot Earth if people want to check that out. I'll definitely check that out. For sure, for sure. You kind of alluded to it already.

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I listened to them on Audible half the time because if I'm not listening to podcasts while I'm working, I'm listening to audiobooks. So it's just, if it's too quiet, I can't work. So I need some kind of ADD distractor going on. And yeah, actually, it's funny, you mentioned the Olympic project.

I just listened to a book called The Cold Vanish by, it'll come to me, the author's name. but they really up near Crescent Lake in Washington, they not only are they cool guys, they're super nice guys, they helped a father look for his lost son for a really long time. His son had gone on a hike in the Olympic rainforests. Oh, yeah. And got lost and they couldn't find him for a long period of time.

And he basically lived there while he was looking at. for his son and they treated them like one of their own by all accounts in this book. So it's, I bring it up because one of the things this father did was meet with a woman who said she talked to Bigfoot in this book. And I did not, I pick up this book because it's, it just happened to come up on like a reading list that I look at. And I didn't expect it to have anything to do with Bigfoot or the Olympic project or anything like that.

But all, all roads lead to Rome, I guess. Yeah. It was really interesting. So it actually like brings in the Olympic project. Yes. I don't know if it's by name, truthfully, but they describe. Right. I got you. Yeah. They describe their building. And if you know about the Olympic project, it's natural that you'll assume it's them.

And I mean, these guys, he talks about them knowing the forest and like the back of their hand and getting out there and helping search and do all these nice things that they don't necessarily get credit for. So if I can be one of the people that brings that to light and sheds, you know, yet another ray of sunshine on what kind of people they are. It's my privilege to do that just by way of reading that book. So, yeah, they're really great guys. Never met them, but I just thought it's worth sharing that account about them. That's cool. I've never heard of that book.

I'm going to look it up. Yeah, I forget who wrote it. It was a very good book, very good book. It's so yeah, audiobooks are great. I love them. The tricky thing is like, but there's like some real of the really older big footbooks.

And I've never looked, but I'm pretty sure like they're not on audiobooks. There might be a, a market for that. But someone wants. Maybe I know what to do, you know, with my next ballot of free time.

Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah, I'm the same way. Like I desperately, uh, have to stay focused on this or I'll just like go shiny object syndrome and yeah this is great I sit

down in front of I have dual monitors at home because I work from home sometimes and uh I'll sit down after work and I'll have dinner and then I'll come back and I'll crack a you know I like there's beer I like some Montucky cold snack I'll crack one of those just nice make a you know just start to dabble a little bit and start an idea like read stuff and then follow that little path to a new map right a new insight a new idea and it's fun it's just a nice outlet to be able to uh make these maps and share them with folks and come up with interesting insights or at least stuff that i wouldn't think of all the time hmm good good stuff um this is putting you on the spot um are you well Did you, did you do a screen share with Alex?

I did. Okay. Listeners, how about this? Because we're actually, surprisingly, we are near, almost near the end. Unbelievable. I will tell you this much. If you're not listening to Alex's show, Sasquatch out of the shadows, you're doing yourself a disservice. Scott was just on Alex's show.

And I need to go listen to this one myself because if I'm interviewing the people, I don't listen. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a good idea. Go listen to Scott's episode on there and he will kind of, it sounds like maybe do a little walkthrough of the Bigfoot mapping project on the screen, which is really cool. Yeah, we actually, I pull up listeners were asking questions and I pulled up a few maps that I had made to answer their questions. It was really a lot of fun. I had such a fun time talking to people that maybe I never would have had the chance to talk. to. It was awesome. It was a great time. This is a great time. I'm having a great time. I'm learning a lot. And I've been busy. I've been busy lately, but this is great. Do you have like a bucket list of places that you want to go to Bigfoot related? Yes. Ocala, Florida is one of the top places. Oh, interesting. It's a hot spot that I picked up on when I first started the announcement. that I was doing, that's a huge one for me. It was unexpected.

I naturally drift towards the Pacific Northwest and to find a place that is a hot spot outside of the PNW. It wasn't what I expected, but there's a lot of skunk ape reports and it was very interesting. So Florida is a huge one. I love Florida anyway. So I think that's one of the bucket list places. there's a little town called strawberry near the Stanislaus National Forest in the Sierra Nevada in California that I really, really want to go to. And then there's Alaska is top of the list too.

There's much fewer sightings, but there's some real quality reports up there. And I think the nature of the reports are just so different from. the lower U.S. that I think it would be a great experience. So were there a ton of reports around strawberry then? Oh, yeah. It's a hotspot for sure. Really?

I got to look into that. That's, you know, I know that area is crazy when I think Stanislaus, but yeah, I'll have to, I bet if I bring up the map. Yeah, check it out. That area, it'll probably all be there, right? Yeah, I'm happy to, uh, Remind me, I'll make a, I'll make a companion post on Instagram for stuff we mentioned in the show here. I'll re-listen to it and I'll compile everything and just make a companion post that end.

Oh, you're cool, dude. Put everything into a post so people can go refer to it when they're listening to the show. I love that. Sure. Yeah, my pleasure. Yeah. Appreciate that. So, Scott, what is the best ways that people can keep up to date with? is what you're doing with the big foot mapping project? 100% the best way is Instagram. I post everything there. It's kind of my outlet.

I don't really do. I have, there is a Facebook group. I'm not great at keeping up with that. I think it's just the nature of the maps that I produce. It's much easier to share them on Instagram. It's a good platform for that type of media. So I don't do Twitter. Maybe I should.

I'm not sure. But pretty much on Instagram. poster. And if you really want to get in touch with me, feel free to email me. It's Scott at bigfootmap.com. If you need anything, help with the website, have questions, have stuff you want to share, anything. Need to reach out. That's specifically what that email is for. Nice. But Instagram's the way to go. It's the easiest way. Perfect. Perfect. Well, thank you so much for coming on tonight in chat and Scott. This has been super fun. and everyone go, go pick up, get the Bigfoot mapping project on your phone. Seriously, do it. I have it. It's so good. So thanks again, Scott. Thank you very much.

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