Bigfoot Society - Diving into the World of Bigfoot Encounters and Audio Analysis in Mt. Rainier with Chanel

Episode Date: February 13, 2023

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It walked out of thicket. It turned around and looked at me. Looked up and in this tree there was a monkey man. And the monkey man jumped down out of the tree and started running away. And suddenly they're right in front of the car. He slams on the brakes and manages to stop and he's skidding because it's like quite, you know, and gravelling. And literally for about a second and a half, they just stood there because they don't know where to go.

And you tell them, panic, you know, like, through nothing, their face is like twitching. Welcome back to Bigfoot Society, a podcast where we focus on cryptids, the strange and the unexplained of this world. If you've got a story or something weird to share, send an email over to me at Bigger's Foot Society at gmail.com. And if you'd like to support this show, head on over to patreon.com forward slash the Bigfoot Society. And now on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society.

I have the privilege of talking to a new friend today. I've got Chanel, who's a Bigfoot researcher from the Mount Rainier area in Washington State. How's it going, Chanel? It's going great. I am so excited. And thank you so much for having me. Absolutely. Is there anything else that our listeners should know about you to set the context before we start talking about your research? Yeah, I think there's one really big point. Before, I would say about three years ago, before my encounter, my very first encounter, I was not into Bigfoot. So I'm not one of these Bigfoot fanatics that, you know, for 10, 15 years has been obsessed with Bigfoot.

I actually became obsessed with Bigfoot after I had my encounter. So I feel like that's important for people to understand that I wasn't just, you know, obsessed with Bigfoot or anything like that. I was just kind of like a normal gal. I'm a nanny. I've worked with kids for a long time. So this just was kind of like thrown on my doorstep and then one thing after another. And now I just can't deny the fact that I'm having all these encounters for a reason.

And so that's what led to the research. So I guess I should just start with that. start with that. I think that's a good place to start because your story is very different than most people that come on here where you don't have the, I watched all the TV shows with my parents and fell in love with Bigfoot when I watched in search of or Monster Quest and stuff like that. Yours is very different. It's a very cool story. I lived in Tahoe for just under a decade. I loved it, but I would also travel a lot for work. So I was kind of in Tahoe half the year. and traveling for work the other half the year.

So I would often camp with my friends, and we kind of knew that Tahoe gets really busy with tourists and stuff. So we would look for places that are just, like, way out there, no people looking for that, like, escape, and we always knew all the secret spots. So we went really, really far in the backwoods out near desolation wilderness. And so when we came back from that camping trip, the only thing I can say after doing research now,

In the moment, I didn't have a clue. Like I said, I wasn't into Bigfoot. I didn't have any clue about Bigfoot whatsoever. So when I came back from this camping trip, now thinking about it, I must have had some sense on my truck that was foreign to the Bigfoot that was in the area that I was currently living. So I had moved down off the mountain from Tahoe and I was living in Plasterville, California. I was living on an eight-acre property with the family I was nannying for. And it was COVID.

So we were spending a lot of times. outside, it just stuck on the property, but it was nice because we had eight acres. So we would, we were playing laser tag and running around the property and doing treasure hunts. And I was doing outside projects. I was making like a patio area for like picnics underneath the tree. There are all these string lights that I put and just cute like fancy summer things. And, you know, everybody needed something to keep them busy during COVID. So, so we went camping. I came back and I was finishing up my outdoor picnic area project, you know, all the shoveling and moving all the rocks and stuff and hauling it. It was a lot of work.

But I had my cousin come visit, like, the next day, so I really wanted everything to be ready. And my cousin and I are very similar. She's just like the brunette version of me. We're really close. We're really wild, just like crazy, silly chicks. We love to make each other laugh and be really goofy. So when she came to visit, I was excited to show her this picnic area. We were drinking wine and, like, you know, we weren't super drunk or anything. but we were just having dinner and a couple glasses of wine, and we were getting up in the tree. It was like this really cool, I don't know, twisty, windy tree that we could climb up in. And so we were like, let's take pictures in the tree.

So we were being really goofy and silly that night, which we usually, Hey, Rochelle, big shout out. We're always goofy. So anyways, I know I shall watch this. But anyhow, so we're having fun. And all of a sudden, just out of nowhere, once we'd kind of like come down out of the tree, we were just kind of sitting there finishing up. We were actually going to head in pretty soon.

We were kind of like getting everything ready with the plates and stuff to bring inside. And all of a sudden, that's when it happened. And when I say that's what it happened, I feel like my heart pounds when I talk about it because it was really a life-changing experience. Again, I lived in Tahoe for a decade. I grew up in Idaho. I've been hiking and backpacking my whole life. I'm 35 now.

I'm a very experienced hiker. And I've heard tons of animal sounds, birds. I've heard cougars. I've heard fox. And I've actually seen these animals when they're making the sound. So it's not just assumptions. Like I have a lot of experience with understanding animal sounds. And especially in California, I lived there for, I don't know, 15 years.

So when we heard a sound that scared us so badly, we ran in the house out of terror, out of sheer terror. I mean, that's when you know, like, something is it right here. So we heard a whoop. We heard a monkey whoop. So Rochelle, you know, your brain's trying to rationalize. What the heck did we just hear? So Rochelle thought it was a bird because we had peacocks out there. We had a lot of different, you know, crazy animals running around out there,

and there were peacocks or one of them. But I was really familiar with the peacocks sounds at that point because I'd heard them all the time. They're really annoying, and they do kind of a hunk. So I heard a monkey. I heard what, I mean, and it's funny because when I heard the sound, it was so, it was such a high-pitched, high-optive whoop. And also, I should tell everybody my background in opera.

So I got a scholarship in opera right out of school. I studied opera. I took private vocal lessons. I'm a vocalist. So I really do understand pitch and tone and high octaves and stuff like that. So to me, I heard a monkey. I looked up even. We both kind of looked up.

We heard the sound. We looked up and we were expecting to do. see a monkey in a tree. But the crazy thing was, was the area where we were hearing the sound, all there was was my camper. I was getting ready to sell my camper. I had like a little old camper and it was in the middle of COVID, everybody was buying campers. So I'm going to sell it. So my camper was about, oh, I don't know, seven and a half feet high. And it almost sounded like the sound was coming just above that. And again, we're thinking like, we just heard a monkey in a tree. So we look up, but there's not a tree in that area.

The tree, the closest tree that would have an area up high was the one we were just in. It was right next to us. It's certainly not where we hear the sound from. So it was really perplexing because we're like, this just, this monkey sound just came from up high. There's no tree right there, but my camper is right there. So I think looking back on it over and over and over and over, playing it my head a million times, I think there was a big foot standing behind my camper just watching us, being really quiet. You know, it's the whole time watching us just goof around and be crazy and silly.

And it was loud. It was so loud. Like I said, we ran in the house. So at that time, I think it's important for me to say, I didn't think it was Bigfoot in that moment. I did not. I didn't even consider Bigfoot for like maybe six months down the line. I had researched for about six months. I researched nocturnal animal sounds, you know, bird sounds, cougars,

You know, when bobcats fight and when cougars fight, I looked up owls. You know, sometimes a bard owl can get a little whoopee almost sounding. Absolutely. But anyways, yeah, so I spent all this time, and I couldn't find anything even remotely close. The only thing that I could find even remotely close was a video of a Simang. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly, but it's a Simang ape. and those are the apes that you see at the zoo with those big, you know, their throat kind of puffs out and they squeeze it down and they can make those really high-pitched sounds, almost like when you're like letting the air on a balloon. That was the closest sign of bind.

And then I started talking to my buddy from high school who had an encounter himself. And we started messaging each other and he was like, you know what, you might have had a big foot encounter. He goes, it sounds like what you went through was really similar to what I went through. He had rocks thrown at him. He's my partner, my research partner, Kevin. He had rocks thrown at him and whoop. And so he showed me some Bigfoot stuff. And that was it. I was like, this is what I experienced. Once I started really thinking about it, that was when my memory was more clear about leading up because I thought, I was like, why did this thing move at me? You know, just why? And it was on our, It was on our property. There were houses around. Like, I was just like, this is just nuts. So

once I started doing all the research and realizing all the common denominators of all these people's encounters, I realized, and I was really glad that I even spoke up that a few days prior to the whoop, when we heard the whoop, Rochelle and I, I was out exercising. I had just recovered from a major surgery, and I was exercising to just try to get, like, my self back to normal. I was really going through it. It was a really, really, really rough surgery. I had diarychiculitis. Crazy disease, crazy surgery. I don't talk about it a lot because of, I don't know, whatever, it's this gross. But anyways, you know, after a big major surgery, you're trying to get back your muscle memory and I was always really active. So I had gained some weight and was trying to get

back into active mode. And so there was this big driveway. I would go up and down all the time that led up to the property. And this thing was like a, I don't even know, like a 70% great. It was a huge steep driveway. And there would be times when just because you're pushing yourself, you know, no one's around, it's eight acres, you know, I'm like pushing myself and I'm like, ah, like, I can do this, you know, just making these grunts and sounds and whatnot. So I'm out there just doing my thing. And all of a sudden, and again, this is a couple days prior to the loop. As I'm exercising, I get up almost to the top of the hill. And by the time I get up to the top of the hill, I hear someone just,

flipping out in the woods. In the moment, again, Bigfoot was not on my radar at all, at all whatsoever. I thought it was just some like crazy person in the woods screaming, not even screaming, grunting. This is what I heard. I heard over and over and over. And they were shaking bushes and trees. So I'm hearing somebody up. Yeah. So I'm, and again, didn't even think of a big foot wood. So for me, I was like, whoa. I was like, whoa, I was like, some neighbor is really upset and like just going out in the backyard and flipping out. That's what I thought. I even told my mom, I always got to catch up with my mom all the time. I was like, mom, I heard the craziest thing. Like somebody was just flipping out in the woods.

And she was like, that's weird. I even told a couple friends. So I was kind of glad that I told people because when you tell someone and you go back and tell a different story, it's not like you made extra parts up. You're like, hey, you remember when I told you about the grunting, the weird grunting? Well, a couple days later, we heard the loop. Sure. So it was just mind-line to me that once I started doing research about Bigfoot, it all really totally made sense that that was what my encounter was. So then I just went off for like a year and just did really intense research as much as I could. And at this point, I feel like I've seen every single piece of Bigfoot information there is out there.

So that was my first encounter. And so I have a few questions for you. When you say so you went off and started consuming all this Bigfoot information to try to figure out exactly, what kind of things were you like watching documentaries, reading books? What kind of things had you run into through that discovery portion? Yeah. It was mostly all online stuff. And so it was, yeah, documentaries, BFRL, just reading reports. I was reading, gosh, just everything I could online about people's encounters specifically. So the other stuff, I hate to say this, but the other stuff I felt like was kind of fluff.

Because with all these documentaries and TV shows and not to knock them, I love these guys. I think they're awesome. I think what they're doing is awesome. But I will say for me, I wanted to connect with other people and find out what was going on with their encounters. And so that was the biggest thing for me was like, I guess I was trying to figure out why me? Like why all of a sudden is Bigfoot screaming at me? So it was a lot of just tedious reading online with encounters and stuff on any website I could find. And off the top of my head, I can't think of them all right now.

BFRO is a big one. You know, every single YouTube video I can find. Sure. Because it's funny, a lot of these videos don't even get a lot of views and stuff because people just think it's fake, you know. But when you've had an encounter, you're trying to find a piece of footage or anything that even remotely sounds like what you've heard. You probably have a much different way of... On this episode of Plant Killers, we'll explore One Nation's most notorious fruit and vegetable killer, bad, dirt. What makes bad dirt so bad?

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That sound seems to show. Everything happens for a reeses. Viewing, listening to the sounds when you've actually heard it yourself, as opposed to a person who's just, you know, watching, finding Bigfoot, because it's, you know, something fun to watch, I would guess. Ron Moorhead, his recording. In Missing 411, that's what sparked a big, like, aha moment for me. Because I watched Missing 411, which at the tail end of it, they show the Ron Moorhead part.

And that, to me, was the first time I had heard something that sounded like what I heard. And so then I was obsessed with researching Ron Moorhead and all the originals, all the, you know, Bob Gimlin and all them. And shout out to all them. Those guys are awesome. Absolutely. So that's, that's very interesting. So let's go a little bit more into that. So you were, you were watching missing 411 and Ron Moorhead came on. And I'm guessing this would be the Sierra sounds that you're referring to. Yeah. Tell me more about how that reminded you of, of what you heard. That's really interesting. Yeah, because the whoop that I heard was so much bigger and larger. And so if you're thinking about a sound from like a chipmunk or a squirrel or a small animal, you can hear that.

It's a teeny squeak, a teeny sound. But this whoop that I heard, although it was very high-pitched, It was a large, intense sound that sounded like it was coming from a large cavity, body cavity. There was space. There was space to it. It was huge. It was so the lung capacity and intensity and me as an opera singer, I wouldn't be able to hit that note. And I feel like human beings were really great imitators. And so are birds and monkeys, obviously, were some of the top, like best imitators of sounds.

and we can make some really interesting sounds. But yeah, once I heard the Sierra sounds, you know, and I had to hop over, like, I immediately paused missing 401, and I just hop right over to, you know, Ron Moorhead and Sierra sounds and all that stuff. And the more I listened to it, I realized these are the types of sounds that sounded eight-like, but large. And just nothing like nothing that's ever been recorded before.

I just, you can't find. And I'm just, I'm just, I'm so excited. I got my sounds recorded, but at the same time, you just can't find anything that does justice to what your human ears actually hear. And I feel like of all the recordings out there, Ron's recordings are very close to what we're actually hearing. I'm guessing and assuming because he was in such close proximity to them. That is, that's really interesting. I wish I could have seen you when you first saw that in missing 401. I bet you just freaked out. I can tell you're a very, you're a very excitable, energetic person. And just to make that connection, oh, man, that must have been awesome. Who. 100%.

100%. I get so excited about it because, I don't know, I think life is, you know, we get up, we go to work, we brush our teeth, we, you know, take a shower, we go to work, we come home, we eat dinner, we go to bed. It's like life is, life we can get a little bit mundane. And so when something happens to you, that is this complete mystery and it's not like, it's not like UFOs or ghosts or anything. And hey, I'm not knocking that stuff either. Like I totally now, after having this experience myself, I can't knock anybody else's experience ever.

But I am saying there's something different about this for me that created such excitement because it wasn't way out in space. It wasn't something intangible. It was something that was about 30 feet away. And I didn't hallucinate it. I wasn't inebriated. And I had a witness with me. And all three of my encounters, I've had a witness with me. And that is so deeply validating.

And I feel for people who have encounters by themselves, because it's so easy to either dismiss it, think you're crazy, think you heard something else, assume it was a different animal. it's easy to like go through that mental process of kind of mentally dismissing it just because you can't figure it out it's almost just like I can't figure this out I should just quit worrying about it you know but when you have someone that was there with you and it was also pretty life changing for them too that's just like oh my gosh yeah I'm through the roof I'm so excited because now I know it only gets better because now I'm learning more and more and more so it's only gotten better it's only gotten more exciting yeah no it definitely so the cool thing about this interview is we had a pre-interview. So we went through some parts of your story already. And it does get a lot more. It gets exciting, definitely. So you went through all the, you know, consuming the media, finding the connection with Ron Moorhead, missing 4-1-1. Then what happened

after that? What did we start to get into after that? Well, then it was really mainly about my buddy Kevin. So Kevin and I grew up together. We went to school together as kids, but we never really were super close. He was like this hardcore punker kid who had like, you know, the Mohawk and all the, you know, chains and the best. And he was out there. God bless him. Love you Kevin. But anyways, you know, we never really like, we're super close. But when I moved out to Washington from California, he was actually really the only person I knew out here. And so I was like, hey, I'm moving. moving to Washington. What's up? How are you? Let's say hi and meet up. And so we did. And of course, one of the first things we started chatting about was Bigfoot. And before, you know, when I had my

encounter with Rochelle, Rochelle lives in Yosemite in the National Park. Big shout out to, yes, big shout out to all of them who live out there and work out there because it's not a lifestyle that anyone could easily do. So they're incredibly active, really awesome, intense climbers. Just great people. But Rochelle is just so busy doing her thing out there that we didn't spend as much time talking about the Bigfoot stuff as Kevin and I did. And Kevin was here. You know, he's he's here with me in Washington. So we just thought, you know what?

Let's just go out and let's just go to the place where he had his encounter. Let's go to the place where I had my encounter. Let's just revisit these places that were so exciting to us. And so we just started going out. doing, you know, research we would go on BFRO. Well, Kevin mostly would go on BFRO and look for areas where people have reported sightings and localizations or even footprints. And we headed out.

And it was kind of tough because, you know, you come across a lot of these forest service roads that are shut down and can't no access or the roads are really rough or they're really thin and really small, tiny corridors and stuff. So we hit it pretty hard. He has a Subaru. and I have a Chevy Avalanche, and we just went deep in the woods looking for Bigfoot, and we really had no clue what we were doing initially. But we learned as we went.

You know, you've got to remember to have all the batteries for all the equipment, make sure the dash cam is running. Right. You know, we have night vision, but we realize the night vision only shows you a little square. So your actual human night vision is actually better, but how do we record that, what we're seeing? You know, we can go through all of the learning process. But before, I guess I'm getting a little ahead of myself because before we went out and started running research, I actually had my second encounter just on a hike.

So it was last summer, not last summer, the summer before. It was two summers ago. And I want to, this is tough. I want to tell people where it was, but I don't, just for the sake of keeping. Yeah. Big foot neither. Just their space. Yeah. Keep it.

Yeah. Good idea. So anyways, yeah, I'm telling you guys, but anyhow, so I was out there with my girlfriend, Katie. My dear friend Katie moved out to Washington with me. So I guess I should say I had two people here. I had Kevin, who's my buddy who was already living out here and Katie who came out here with me.

And so her and I, you know, lived in Tahoe together and or near each other. And so she was a big hiker. So we were like, Washington's known for the hiking. let's go for a hike. And we went on some of the most, I would say the most intense hikes I've ever done. I mean, and I've hiked, I've gone in caverns and caves in Thailand. I've hiked in Maui. I've hiked all over the United States. And truly this was the most difficult hike I've ever been on. It was like a really, really old mining road that had never been maintained. And so we were going deep out there. And I started to find tracks. Now, Katie was not a believer.

Just like Rochelle was not a believer, just like I was not a believer. Katie was not a believer. She'd heard me talk about Bigfoot a million times. At that point, she was probably sick of it. She was just like, I just want to enjoy this hike, but I couldn't help myself. I'm finding tracks that are 14 inches long. Really? And they're, yes.

And they're really, yeah, they really are not supposed to be Grizzly in the area where we were hiking. Grizzly have slowly been making their way back in Washington, but they're few and far between. And so the area we were in, and in fact, we're pretty smart with hiking. We always check online to see if there have been any aggressive cougars or bears or wolves. They actually have a pretty good system online with the Forest Service where you can see if there's been any negative encounters

and kind of be wary of certain areas, right? So there was nothing really in the area. And so I was pretty shocked to be finding 14-inch tracks. And they weren't bear tracks. I've been in Tahoe. We're around bears all the time. I've had close encounters with bears several times. I've had a bear false charge me. That's a whole other story for another day. But anyways, I have a lot of experience with bears and bear tracks, especially in the snow. I should mention this was a snow track. This wasn't a bear track. And so it was a big foot track. So I was just so excited. And so Katie was like, you know, I don't know, it could be a bear. It could be, you know, someone with snow shoes. We just kind of bounced around some logical ideas. And so I just kind of dismissed it because I could tell she was, she wasn't really feeling it.

So we headed back. And then on a different hike, I started telling her, I was like, look, we're going on these hikes all the time. And I understand you're not a believer, but I really deeply am. And I'm going to need some time on these hikes to do a little bit of tracking because it's important to me. And she's like, okay, she's like, let's make it fair. We'll do the first half of the hike is for me, get a good exercise, go quicker,

get to the destination, take the photos, have lunch. And then on the way back, you can kind of lollygag and do some tracking. So I was like, fair enough. So on the way back, I'm looking for more prints. There wasn't any more snow, so I was kind of bummed, didn't find any footprints. But I found what I believe was an area where Bigfoot were coming down off of this cliffside, where there was a cave. And I zoomed in, I got footage of it all.

There was a small cave. And I could kind of tell it was not quite a game trail, but it was an area where something had come through down. And the hiking trail was down below, but there was a big giant cedarwood, massive cedarwood. And there had been something, it looked like the beginning of a game trail. And I thought, oh, okay, something's going up here, but it just dead ended. And so when I investigated the area, something had been standing up there often. And I'm thinking, why would an elk come up here? Because it was really pressed down.

Like something had been there that was big and often. And I'm looking at the area. I'm like, this doesn't make sense because it wasn't going down to the water, it wasn't going up a cliffside. You know, a big game are pretty easy to track with trails. So it really perplexed me. So, you know, upon doing some investigation, I was like, you know what? This looks like a perfect spot where a big foot could just watch the hikers going on the trail.

And he could just stand right there. And the minute I said, and the minute I said this to Katie, she goes, because I naturally just kind of leaned on the tree a little bit to peek around and watch the spot where the hikers were going through. And Katie goes, look above your hand. And about a foot and a half above my hand was a spot where it looked like a hand had been pressed. Like a palm area, a big palm shaped size area had been pressed into the moss to even like further corroborate like a little theory here. Oh, man. Yeah.

So then she starts, for the first time ever, she starts actually humoring me. And so she comes up, I go, just come up here and look at this. I go, does this not look like a spot where some creepers just watching people on the trail? And she goes, yeah, actually does. And so she's probably thinking a person, you know, but I'm thinking of big foot. And so she's up here with me. And I think that's why it played into things. Because had she not, and these are my own personal theories, but had she not come up there

and investigated with me and looked at that area with me, don't know we would have that we would have had our encounter because then things got crazy. So for investigating this area, I pull out my camera. I start taking footage, which I don't, I don't know if they like that or not, but I got some footage and it's questionable, you know, and it's almost like blob squatching. That's the term, right, when you get like the pixelated really bad videos and stuff. But I did see. Red circles every block.

Yeah. But I did see when I watched, you watched the video a million times, I did see. see what could have been a face up there in the cave. And I'll show you that. I don't think I've sent me that one. No, no, that's interesting. Okay. I'm not one to usually bring forth any type of evidence if it's crappy evidence because

what's that. It's just we have so many videos out there, just pixelated, not good videos. So I don't know. It's not one I've shared a whole lot. But anyhow, so I'm taking the video. I'm showing her all this stuff. We decided to head back. We go maybe, I don't know.

about 50 feet or so, maybe further. It's hard to remember the exact distance, but we only went a little ways further. And all of a sudden, I start hearing whistling. And the whistling was, it was like a person, but it was way off the trail. And so where we were walking on the trail, I would say maybe 100 feet off the trail

was like a cliffside. And it was all just this big mountain side, real sheer, you know, not like rock face, but just like really vegetated cliffside. It's just nobody's scaling up that, you know. So it was almost like a dead end, so to speak, because it was just the trail and then crazy, thick woods, and then that cliffside. So when you hear on the cliffside.

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But it was something like a And me just being playful And just being silly I did it back I was like And then I heard a second whistle Very silly and goofy And Katie just wasn't a believer

So I was just being a goofball at that point I was just maybe whistling To another hiker or a bird or whatever. So there's a second whistle, and the second whistle was much further down the path. It was actually further down the path, just off the path of where we were headed anyways.

So I'm whistling, one of them's whistling, another one's whistling, and we both, I just look at her, and I'm like, and she's like, nah, she's like, those are birds. I was like, yeah, but Katie, these are quite out of place. I was like, we've heard birds all day. We've been hiking from house. six hours. And we heard birds all day, but none of them sound like that. So then I'm looking at her. I'm like, I don't know. And she's like, nah, we keep walking. And all of a sudden, we just hear and feel

boom, boom, boom, boom. I mean, the ground shook. The ground shook. And our first instinct is we turn around because we're like, there's a bear. What else could shape the ground like, that, I'm thinking there's a grizzly running full speed to attack us. And there wasn't, there was just nothing. So we look at each other and I'm like, did you hear that? And before I could even spit it out, she's like, yeah, I heard that. She was like, I felt that. She's like, I felt that in my chest, like in the ground, it made the ground shake. And where it seemed like it was coming from was maybe, I don't know, I would put it anywhere from 30 to 50 feet away, closer to 30 feet away, because for it to shake the ground, it had to be pretty darn close.

But it was so heavily vegetated. I pulled out my camera. I've watched the video a million times. You can't see anything. All you can hear is just me being scared. So I put the camera away and we just sit there for a minute and we're like, okay, what do we do? We're like, if this is a moose or a bear or something, you know, trying to intimidate us, we shouldn't be running. We should slowly walk away.

So we did. We slowly walked away. I knew in my heart, it was Bigfoot. I just knew it in my heart. So I had brought an apple with me a gifting apple because I'd learned a little bit along the way about, you know, Bigfoot in the community. And, you know, people gift apples. So I had brought an apple. So I was like, since there's no moose charges,

since there's no bear charging us, I'm just going to leave this apple in case it's a Sasquatch as a sign of good faith. So I left the apple and I slowly backed away and I just put my hands up. And so we start walking away and it was quiet and we're trying to figure out what we just heard. Now, again, she's still a skeptic at this point. So I'm not just straight jumping a big foot because I'm not trying to, I'm also trying to logically figure out what this was. So we look at your time, we're like, do you think that there's somebody out here doing like logging, you know, Forest Service doing logging or something? But we're like, Like, no, that wasn't a machine we heard, wasn't an engine, it wasn't a machine, and it was close.

You know, if someone was doing some logging, they wouldn't be cutting down a tree 30 feet away from us. Anyway, so we just logically started chatting as we were walking back to the car. Now, the car was less than a mile away, maybe a mile and a half away. So we're scared, we're a little shaking up. We don't know what's going on, but we got to head back to the car anyways. So we just kind of start talking about it. And she goes, could that have been a helicopter? And I was like, no way.

She was like, yeah, that'd be crazy. She goes, the only reason I'm saying that is because it was so bassy, I felt it in my chest. So her natural reaction to describe the sound was to go woo, woo, woo, woo. And for me, just out of instinct, I was like, yeah, I go, I felt it in my chest. It went boom, boom, boom. And the minute I beat my chest to kind of signify, I felt it in my chest. Yeah. The minute I did that, not a second later, a Sasquatch,

beat its chest back at us. Wow. Just a freaking, like, but again, almost like I described with the whoop, it came from a massive body cavity. Like, it was a massive thing that beat its chest at us. And the second that happened, Katie became a believer. Because she was like, oh, my God, we got to get out of here. She's like, we got to get out of here.

And so we kind of scurried a little quicker and got back to that car. got out of there quick. And the whole drive home, we tried our very best to come up with something a little bit more logical than Bigfoot. And we couldn't no matter. And we even tried to recreate the sound. We tried to, we got out a little ways down and like way, ways down, but in the same type of forest area. We were like, let's just try to take a stick and bang it against some mossy and see if we can get it to even. I go, stand back there. Does this sound anything like what you heard? No. And I stomp on the ground, I go, does this sound? She's like, no, there's no. There's no way. I even tried standing directly next to her and just stomping all my way.

She goes, I couldn't even feel that really at all when you did that next to me. So we tried so hard to not just jump to conclusions, but to logically discuss for an extended period of time what this could have been. And there's just no other way to describe it. There was nobody out there. We checked with Forest Service. That was the only trail that was open aside from another connecting trail. I don't want to say very populated, but it's populated enough to where people know that there's no construction going on out there.

And, you know, I grew up on a construction site. My stepdad was a general contractor. So I felt, you know, big heavy machinery before and how it can shake the earth. And I'm telling you, this was about like 700 pounds of pressure against the earth. And that day, Katie became a believer. And so that's when that's when I moved forward. And I was like, okay, last summer I had my encounter in California with Rochelle. This summer I had my encounter in Washington with Katie.

What's next? And so Kevin and I started running the research. We started hitting all those back roads deep, deep, deep. And, you know, in the Washington woods and the Olympic forests and the rainforest, you know, hoe forest. We went everywhere. And that leads me to my next encounter. But I'll let you have any. question man that one of the coolest things I think about that story is that through the whole

your encounter story you see your your friend go from non-believer to okay I'm a believer now obviously after that happened that was wild does does that friend still uh does she do any research with you Yeah, yeah, she has. Not as much as Kevin. Okay. Because she works a lot. And I'll be honest, it's scary. I'll be honest, it's scary. And I think Katie gets a little bit burnout on the intensity of it. And so she only comes ever so often. But she definitely goes. She's definitely supportive. Big shout out, Katie. I love you. She's great. But, you know, I think for some reason I think Kevin and I just were these like adrenaline junkies I guess because we go do stuff that is scary it's really really really freaking scary yeah and you know when you were telling me about what you and Kevin were doing I was thinking I've never talked to I haven't talked to a lot of people that I know of yet where they're going out to the extent that these guys are going it's absolutely wild so you know let's go into your adventures with Kevin and how you guys really just jumped into it and started going all over the place. Yeah. Yeah. It's, I guess it's like a personality type.

I don't know. You know, before all of this, before I became an adrenaline junkie for Bigfoot, I was in adrenaline junkie for cliff diving. You know, I've done paragliding. I did free diving. I guess it's just in me, you know, I'm an adrenaline junkie. And so I try to do it in the most healthy ways possible. But, you know, it is. It's scary because sometimes we're out there in the woods

and it's pitch black. We're not using flashlights and in the middle of nowhere. And you're just going off of your own eyesight, your own instincts. And I guess the reason why we do that is because look at how often and people have tried to film Bigfoot. Look at how often people have tried to get the footage and look how much they're struggling.

We're all struggling with it. So sometimes you just have to leave all that stuff and go out there and connect with them. And I really am an advocate for the Goodall method. You know, Jane Goodall is truly one of my biggest idols. I don't really idolize many people, but I think her work was so incredible. and throughout this process of learning,

I look up to her the most because I want to do what she did. I want to fully immerse myself in the behavior, learn how to communicate with them, earn their trust, and just be around them. If I could do that, that's my life goal. That is my lifelong goal because how else can you connect

with any, you know, with wildlife photography in general, these people are deeply connecting with these animals. You know, you're not just going out there with a camera and clicking a few photos. You're deeply connecting with their habitat and their soundings and what they have to deal with. And, you know, the exposure to all of the elements. And so I think for me, a big part of that adrenaline, like conquering that fear is so important. Because if I can get out there and not have my heart pounding and not have my palm sweating and feel more calm and more connected, you know,

Perhaps I'm putting out a different energy and maybe that's a better mode to be communicating because, I mean, if I'm going to be checking out a cougar in the wild, would I want the cougar to be really intense and ready to pack out? But I'd rather the cougar just kind of be hanging out and doing this thing, you know? I mean, what kind of encounter would you rather have? Exactly, yeah, yeah. And, you know, at the end of the day, when you, let's say you keep going after. after this, you keep going after this and you have, you know, you have that really good encounter. You're able to discover big, but what's your, what's your absolute goal with all of this Chanel? What would you like to see happen through all of this at the very end?

Yeah, that's a great question I've been asked before. And sometimes I feel like that kind of evolves for me because, um, my question is evolving for me because I feel a huge pushback, um, from, from, from, certain agencies. I don't want to go too deep into that because I want to be careful what I say, but my long-term goal is evolving. But what I will say, number one, first and foremost, is it's all about them. I want them to feel like they have their lands and that we're not encroaching or interfering

in their mating season or their hunting season or, you know, whatever may happen with how they're moving and traveling or migrating, I think it's so important for us to be able to educate people on when those times of the year are and what areas we should be avoiding. So for instance, if Bigfoot are coming into an area that is highly trafficked at certain points in the summer

because there's Huckleberries or because there's a great peak that's got a beautiful view or whatnot, if we can dial in and figure out what times of years, Sasquatch are really utilizing these areas and need these areas for their own survival, there has to be a way in which we can tell hikers and get a community of people that care enough

about that species and that area to say, yes, I am willing to respect this area and I'm willing to go somewhere else, somewhere that's probably just a drive away that's maybe just as beautiful, but isn't interfering in their way of life. So I guess ultimate goal is species protection and making sure, you know, their habitat stays intact.

That's really cool, almost like a ground roots conservation effort. Totally. Very cool, very cool. So you and Kevin have really started to do some wild stuff because I know the audio that is coming down the line in this interview. I'm curious how you guys, if that recording was something that happened right off the bat for you, or what's the journey from starting to do stuff with Kevin? And then you have this other very interesting audio encounter in the future.

Yeah, totally. And I think it's so important to keep up with these timelines, because as time goes on and my head becomes so filled with other information, it is important to revisit this stuff because I do need to create a timeline here. So we, gosh, to be honest, we were pretty fresh. When we got those recordings, we had gone out. On this episode of plant killers, we'll explore one nation's most notorious fruit and vegetable killer, bad dirt. What makes bad dirt so bad?

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I think at that point, yeah, now that I think about it, I was really serious about logging our hours and tracking our hours. And so at that point we had hit, I think it was an 80-hour marker that we had spent officially 80 hours driving up and down. roads, going to encounter sites, looking for footprints, tracking, going, da-da-da-da, all everything, right? But then I lost track because at this point we're probably at like 2,500 hours. I have no idea. We're way beyond 80, so I started losing track. But I think at that point, we were pretty fresh.

We were only like 80 hours in. And that day was a really long day. When we got those recordings, we actually got the. the recordings at the end of the day. And it's so funny because my three biggest encounters, for some odd reason, it's like right when I'm about to leave. So you are in the area of you're on a road around Mount Rainier, right? Yes.

Okay. So you had been driving around those roads all day long, trying to record things. At the end of the day, you started hearing. sounds, I'm guessing, outside your vehicle or walk me through, like, how you first started hearing these sounds that you got on audio, because they are quite interesting. Yeah, totally. This is my favorite story to share. It's my favorite encounter because it was so, it was the scariest day of my life. It was the most intense, visceral, crazy day of my life. And again, I've jumped off of cliffs. I have swam in the ocean.

I've kayaked six miles in the ocean and done free diving and shark season. I mean, I've had some high adrenaline moments in my life. But this encounter I'm about to tell you about was so like overpoweringly fearful for me that I actually almost fainted. And in the recordings, you know, you've got a great little snippet here. But in the full un-edited, just full audio, mainly, the whole thing is me having like a complete and utter panic attack and you can hear it i mean i was losing i was absolutely terrified when we when we drove away um i almost passed out you know i started um see in tunnel vision my fingers got all tingly i so um so forgive me if i get a little

worked up worked up when i tell a story because it it's so intense so the day uh was a big day for us because it was our first official trip to Mount Rainier. And so, you know, it was a couple hours drive for us, and we finally get there. We get out and stretch our legs a little, and Kevin has a drone, so we were flying the drone around. And so Kevin suffers from a disability, which doesn't allow him to do a whole lot of walking or hiking,

which is really unfortunate, but he's working on it, and hopefully he's going to be better soon. But anyhow, he'll kind of do something when we decide to split off where he keeps me safe by watching me from above. So he was watching me from above with the drone, just kind of watching my back. And we had walking talkies. And we had, you know, we were fully protected. We had all of our gear that we needed to be protected and all that stuff. So we kind of separated for a little bit.

I did some tracking down near the river. And Kevin was flying the drone, watching and everything. And so we did some just basic sightseeing. And then once the tourists kind of started leaving for the day, because it was a really busy, I think it was on the weekend. So it was like a really busy time. So we kind of wanted to wait for all the tourists to kind of clear out. And so once it started becoming evening time and everybody was heading down the mountain, we headed up the mountain. So we wanted to avoid traffic as much as we could and get away from all the tourists and stuff. So we drove the whole entire mountain rainier is pretty much as far as you could go. And we tried to go off on a side dirt road, but it was closed, of course. And so we just kind of got out along the way and we just kind of got out along the way. And, This is really silly, but I have a term. And I don't even know if it's appropriate or disrespectful. I don't even know. I learn as I go here, but we find it quite funny.

We call it chummy. We call it chummy. So we chum the area where if we want to have an encounter, I am hanging my head out the window and I'm whooping. I'm doing saskatch calls. I'm doing my best to imitate sassaditch calls, you know, obviously going off the wrong partings. Right.

So I was chumming the whole day. Every stop we made, I was like blowing my voice out. I was whooping and hollering and whistling and just making a ruckus. And my whole thing, the reason why I do that is because these areas that I know I'm going to be frequenting often, I kind of want to have like my calling card. I would love to go to an area and down the line, you know, 10, 15, 20 years on the line, the Sasquatch here. And they're like, oh, that's Chanel.

She's here. There's that crazy way, you know? So I've started doing my signature Sasquatch call everywhere I go. I'm not going to do it for you today. But anyways, I was doing that Sasquatch call up and down the mountain all day long. And we had to call it a day. We were like, how long can we sit here at Mount Rainier and stream out the window and stop at locations and, you know, hear the echoes and all this. Like, we got to go.

Like a crazy person. I was like, what am I doing? Is this research? Like, what am I doing? So I was feeling really foolish. We were going to call it a day. We were heading down the mountain. And just for fun, we had called.

So the first road that we went out on was actually the road that Kevin was the most excited to go to. And it was really one of the, I don't want to give too much away here. Okay. All to you, how much you want to give away. I'll just put it this way. One of the first roads we went to, we called he. yeah exactly it's got to be careful here so I want to respect the locals live in that area and I don't want a bunch of people going out there to do what I did so I will say that one of the

first roads we went down we called it he JV road because it was such a creepy road so that was one of the first roads we went down because Kevin Day he really wanted to take us somewhere cool and beginning just to like set us off so as kind of a way to end the day and button up the day he's like do you want to go down Heavid-Gee Road one last time for the night and then we'll head home. And I was like, that sounds about right. You know, it's like coming full circle. So we did that. So we went down to the very, pretty much the very first road we went to that we selected.

Like Kevin's really good about carefully selecting areas that he thinks have like a good canyon area or a good echo area or, you know, he finds these geographical features he's really good at where, yeah, like rivers and streams, their byways and stuff like that. So he picked us out of a spot. So anyways, at the other day, we went back to that spot. We went to HebeGB Road. And we barely even were on the road for two minutes. And that's when we heard these sounds that I recorded.

And I got to tell you, this recording, I'm so excited about it. And I'm so proud of it. And I'm so happy I got it. But it does no justice to work. what our human ears actually heard. And so it just goes to show incredible our auditory capabilities are, because what you're going to hear in the recording is I would put it at like one-tenth of the actual sound we heard. Sure.

So just imagine when you're listening to this that it seemed way closer, way loud, absolutely terrifying and very clear. I know this will sound a little distorted because it was just my cell phone. I had my cell phone ready to go. And I think, God, barely stuck it out the window. I was too scared to stick my hand out the window, okay? I barely even rose it up to the window line. So what you're hearing is a little distorted, but go ahead and play it.

And it's going to get me going. It was crazy. Most definitely. Okay, here we go. That's got to work. Please turn around. I would have so many questions after hearing that. I wouldn't know where to start.

I'm going to ask you some questions about that if that's all right. Man, it's just, it definitely affects you when you hear that recording, even though you're saying, yeah, the quality doesn't even hold a candle to what you heard. It still affects, it's got a weird dissonance to it, you know? What time of day again, approximately would you say that recording was taken when you were driving around? It was around approximately 11.30 p.m. Okay. So I'm glad you mentioned the drumbeat because it actually was, it was somebody in like a cabin nearby, partying.

So what we're actually hearing is the people who were in the cabin like playing music and like partying. Well, I shouldn't say partying because we couldn't really hear people's voices, but we could hear music faintly. So it seemed like either a cabin or maybe someone's vehicle. And they were playing music, definitely playing music. But what we were hearing was beyond that and traveling past it. That's how intensely loud these sounds were. Like I can almost guarantee whoever was there at that house. Like I wish so badly I could get in contact with whoever was there that night and be like, did you hear that?

because there was definitely some people playing some music or something going on. And in the moment, I thought those people were being attacked. I really did. I really did. So you're saying that when you hear that audio, there's a part where it's almost like a chord, like the voices are doing a chorus type thing. I don't know if you even, if you interpret it that way, but it's just, it's very good. I might even play it again.

now that I know that background of there could be some yeah let's have a second listen to it's very interesting why he play it again and then I'll kind of break down to you vocally like what I perfect that's got to the word please turn around

that is something else okay so I'll kind of give you my little breakdown of what we heard and what you're hearing okay so the the big first sound that you hear is almost like a grunting growl. So the best way I can describe it in reality was it sounded like

a bear mixed with a diesel engine. And it was going and so that's what you're hearing in that first portion that maybe you're referring to kind of as like a chorus because it repeats. It goes, it's almost like they were all, it was like a chorus. They were all doing it together.

and they were all doing their own sound and I believe there were four of them. So the biggest one had to have been the one that had the bear voice because it sounded massive and it was guttural and like an engine but like a bear and it was very repetitive.

And now, again, I've had many encounters with bears. I've had a bear false charge me. And when the bear false charged me in Lake Tahoe, it did make a sound, but he did, you know, one sound. He did like a, ugh, like get out. out of here, I'm eating this garbage, this is my garbage, leave me alone. And he kind of did like a one, two, he was like, brr at me, you know, just to kind of be like, back up. I have never in my life heard of bears just going on and on and like, I've never heard of that in my life, but it's what it

sounded like now. So that was the big one. Sounded like this big diesel engine bear, just going over and over and over. And then, and then the parts that really terrified me bad in the part where I said, is that someone being killed? It was this intense, high-pitched scream that was like a blood-curdling, like, it sounded like someone was being ripped limb from limb. So in my logical brain of not understanding how to process these sounds, I thought a camper was getting eaten alive by a bear. Wow. But that doesn't make sense. Like even if you listen to it and break it all down, it doesn't make sense. Because again, you mentioned you're hearing these drums.

Well, the music, that bass and that music, was not nearly as loud or intense as this screaming. And so I just don't think the screaming was human. I just don't think there's any way that screaming was human at all. But it did sound like a grown man screaming. And then the other sound you're hearing is really tough, really tough to pick up in the background. But the other one is like a snarling. The other one is like a... like, like, again, I have a background in vocal training.

And so I learned about the shapes of the mouth and the sounds they make. And this thing, you could hear that its lips were fully pulled back. You could hear it had a massive mouth. And you could almost hear the teeth and the exposure of the teeth. Because it was like, like it was just so wildly intense. On this episode of plant killers, we'll explore one nation's most notorious fruit and vegetable killer, bad dirt. What makes bad dirt so bad? The answer? The ingredients.

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And then the last little portion that you're hearing is really, really hard to hear, but it's the subtle background noise the whole time. and I don't quite want to call it chatter because it wasn't like chatter, but the best way I can describe it would be like when a dog is ripping up a chew toy and they're making that like

a rrr sound and I'm sorry, forgive me. I'm being really goofy with all this stuff and I'm just trying my best of it spread. But it was almost like that sound of something just being ripped and shaken. And so that's the combination of all the things you're hearing there in this recording.

And again, And it was so loud. And we tried testing screams. I went like 45 feet away from Kevin and screamed and he could barely eat because of all the density of the forest. Oh, wow. Yeah. So this. So this was so loud that there's not even a way a human being could scream that loud.

And the only part that's a little frustrating is Kevin and I have very differing ideas of how far away we think it was. He believes that it was quite far away, maybe even potentially. like two to three miles away. I don't. I think it was like a football field away. I think it was very close, but it's really tough. We don't know.

All we have are these recordings and our personal experience, and I'll tell you what, that to me, I took it as a grand display because for some reason they had chosen to make this grand display

whatever they were doing. And I don't find, find it coincidental that it was on the same day that I had been hootin and holler and around that entire mountain. I just don't think it was a coincidence. Wow, that is intense. That is so, so, so, so intense. And I really want people like Chris Spencer and David Ellis from the Olympic Project to just

tear that audio apart and look at it and see what they can find. And hopefully, you know, you're able to get files over to them or, you know, I'll leave that part up to you. But that would be really cool to have that analyzed for sure. Oh, man. I would love to have an analyze. Like anybody, anybody who can help me get that analyzed, I would love that because if we can pinpoint, maybe even, I don't know, the sound signatures or the octaves or the vocal range and prove that it's not even on the same. level as most humans and animals.

That would be great because, because, yeah, what we heard, it's just comparable to anything I believe that I'll ever hear my entire life. I can go to the zoo and not hear that. We will definitely talk afterwards to figure out some sort of contact method for people to get in contact with you because I know some of those guys listen to this. and yeah, they got to contact you. Yeah, just get some sound analyzing done. But wow, that is, man, what a crazy, crazy story.

And the thing is you guys are going out all the time, right? Like, you guys are going out multiple days a week. That's a people need to be aware of that too. We took a little break here for the winter because we really didn't want to disturb any of the winter wildlife. you know, you can go in the wrong area at the wrong time during the winter. And it's a really crucial time for the wildlife. I thought here. So we took a pretty big break, even though I really wanted to get some snow tracks and some snow footprints.

We've taken a big break, but we're already headed back out for the season. We've gone out a few times now. So, yeah, we're going to be getting back to at least twice a week. Very cool. Are you making any gear improvements or any upgrades to your arsenal? out there gear-wise? Totally. Totally.

My partner, Kevin, I call him Top Tech Kev because he gets to the Top Tech. He just he's got stuff new all the time. He's constantly upgrading. So at this point, what have we got? We've got a dash cam that runs at all times. We've got the full floodlight system

just in case, obviously don't run all the time, just in case we need to get some good footage floodlights on. He's got the night vision. He's got the drone. We have, and for safety reasons, we have all kinds of safety equipment, obviously, like, all the first aid stuff we need. But, you know, we have to account for bears and cougars, bear spray. You know, we are legally armed when we go out there. And the coolest thing that I'm so excited about that Kevin just upgraded is he got thermal.

So we now are rocking thermal imaging. And I can't wait to get, you know, some really good hard evidence out there. Yeah. So I just went live on my TikTok for the first time this season, had a lot of viewers and stuff that are pretty excited about the thermal imaging. So I'll keep posted. Very cool. So it'll be fun to see as you guys get, you know, out into the outdoors again after, you know,

winter's starting to clear up. But are there other ways that you're trying to get information about the Bigfoot in the area that you're at besides going out and doing field research? Yes. Thank you so much for asking because this brings a little. Do you like how I led into that? Yes. There's so much information I have that I want to share.

So thank you for bringing that up. Yes. So Kevin reached out to Fish and Wildlife. So Washington Fish and Wildlife is working with us. And we feel very honored and very excited that they are sharing documents with us. So under the Freedom of Information Act, Kevin requested any and all documents pertaining to Bigfoot, Sasquatch, or Skunkape. And let me tell you, they responded and said there were more than 90,000 documents. And so we had to refine our search.

And so now we're getting documents. So now we're getting documents in pieces. So I think we get like 50 at a time. So we just went over the first 50, which I'll admit there's not a whole. whole lot there right now. And I have a lot of theories that I want to go into and discuss with people that I have to be really delicate about in terms of certain agencies and stuff. But I do want to touch up more on that because I think it's incredible that they're working with us. I think it's incredible that they're cooperating with us. And that is something that's

really lacking in the Bigfoot community is, you know, the official documents. We have all the reports in the world because people have encounters all the time. But having these documents officiated by a government agency and, you know, something like Fish and Wildlife saying, yes, we do get these encounters. Yes, we do receive these reports on a regular basis. That's huge for people to know. It's huge for people to know that these are not just people, weirdos, you know, out in the mountains here in weird stuff. These are actually avid hikers and outdoorsmen who feel so strongly that they've had an encounter that they're contacting government agencies. And so. Yeah, so that's really big. So. And I also, my next goal this next summer is to work with the university out here. And I really want to try and get some grant funding so that we can get more equipment and better equipment. That's awesome. Regarding the FOIA request, so was that for the entire state of Washington? Yeah.

Wow. That's a lot. That it's, yeah, that's a lot of information. So I'm going to ask questions and anything that you don't want to answer, just shut down because that's how interview works, right? Have you gotten anything substantial out of those that you can share? Not yet. Okay. Not yet because we've only gotten the first phase.

And I have so many theories of why we haven't gotten anything yet. it's pretty frustrating but not yet right now we're looking at a lot of fluff right now we're looking at like fluffy email links that are not clickable anymore because you know they've just been shared

and it's in the database and so if you know we're getting a lot of like fluffy emails and just kind of like gossipy talk or like sarcastic talk in between you know service agents and stuff like that so but again

And this is only phase one of what 90,000 documents. So I'm hoping there's juicy stuff in there at some point. But to be honest right now, it's a very tedious process of just reading a lot of like junk emails, which is kind of frustrating that they're even sending us junk emails. That's my biggest question is, why are you guys sending us junk emails? Why are you guys not just sending us the reports? That's my question. Just a question. Yeah, it's a good question too.

it almost leads to maybe some other questions. Like, so I've never done a FOIA request before, but it's like how specific do you have to be in order to not just be bombarded by just, you know, potential garbage. But hopefully I can answer that question sometime in the future for myself. But, man, so pretty much just emails at this point is what you're getting. Yeah, a lot of emails.

And, you know, it's interesting because, there's only one mention of Bigfoot on the official Washington, I believe it's the Fish and Wildlife website, I believe. I could be getting this wrong. It might be a different website, but there's only one mention of Bigfoot. And when you're reading the article, you're really shocked because you're reading the article and it reads as if they've acknowledged that Bigfoot's real. And you're like, whoa, like, am I on the official website? And so I was really shocked to read that. I'm like, wow, are they admitting that Bigfoot's real? And then at the very end, it tells you, April Fools. It's an April Fool's, Puff Pete. So I almost kind of wonder, I'm like, what's up with these like fluffy puffy things we're getting? It's glad to me because they obviously know that we're requesting official documents for research. And obviously we're not allowed to use these documents for any other purpose other than research, which we're sticking to that, obviously. But it's just shocking to me that they have the ability to communicate. with us and adjust these search terms and adjust these phrases in order to do.

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Take noise-canceling headphones. Do they block hearing to height and taste? Hmm. That sound seems to show. Everything happens for a recess. Help with our research. but they're really not doing that, which I understand. They're not going to bend over backwards for us.

I get that. I just find it odd that we are getting so many just focus emails. Interesting. Yeah, it's extremely interesting. I think that I think if you're diligent with going through everything with a fine-tooth comb, there's got to be something that they're going to let slip through. But they're going to bank on that you're going to get tired and you're not going to catch it. That's my guess, but, you know, it seems like you guys are pretty into it.

Not letting anything. Good. I'm not, yeah, totally. And I'm not going to let anything slip through the cracks. I'm doing a lot of, I'm personally doing a lot of side research that really has nothing to do with these specific emails and documents we're getting because I have a funny feeling that in order to have some of these things make sense, we've got to really think outside the box.

And I'll just say it. I haven't really shared this theory a whole lot, but I really feel like at this point, topic. And the way it reads and the way we're receiving things and the way it just comes across and what they can share with us because the Freedom of Information Act is specific

that they can essentially share what they want based on national security or based on security. Again, my biggest thing is now I want to start approaching this as that we're dealing with a classified, it's completely classified. And so we are going to get a ton of fluff, if not all fluff, marshmallow baloney fluff. But I have to wade through it because even sometimes amongst sarcastic email, you can get pieces of information and hopefully maybe contact people for interviews. My biggest thing that I'm banking on is interviewing people that work within the Forest Service,

which I already have done some interviews. And I have shared on my TikTok some of those undercover little secret interviews that I did that Forest Service employees are admitting some pretty crazy stuff. So thank you for bringing that up because I went through everything on your account and that is just it's a really interesting video because yeah you have to disguise the voice but can you give anything um about the story behind that how you got set up with that person i know you probably have to be very vague or you might not be able to say anything but yeah oh yeah sorry cut out there um yeah obviously i want to protect people i don't want anybody to lose

their job i love what these two people are doing um these are great people. I have friends working the Forest Service for the parks, national parks and stuff like that. And so I would never want to jeopardize anybody's job. But I will say it was pretty at random. I didn't go out of my way to randomly started asking questions often. I didn't want anybody to prepare themselves for anything or come up with anything. I wanted to get people's candid reactions. those interviews, those interviews that you're hearing are literally just me striking up conversations with people asking questions and getting, getting some answers. Wow.

That's wild. That's wild. It's very interesting. I'm going to have your TikTok and the show notes so people can check that out for themselves, definitely. Yeah, totally. I feel like we've got to start approaching Bigfoot, you know, at a different angle. I have so much respect for all the researchers out there. And I have so much respect for it or put in all this effort because you guys have given me all of this information.

And now I want to work with that to help the process that I'm sure has been such a long process with very small stepping stone progress. And I really want to help that. And approach it from a different angle. I think the world of Bigfoot and Sasquatch for a long time has been very male dominance. And so bringing the aspect of femininity to it, maybe a softer side and a gentler side and maybe a sillier side and more lighthearted side, less intensity and a little bit more just let's just focus on the research. Research is a beautiful thing. Research helps us with so many things all over the world. Shout out to all the researchers in every aspect for everything. So I just want to help this community as much as I can. And if that means going out and interviewing a thousand people, I will. that's awesome chanelle uh as we as we start to to wind things i want to make sure if there's

anything that we haven't touched on yet consider this so that may be a last call uh but it has been a a super fun interview very enlightening i can see uh touching base with you guys uh maybe in a year or so because you're going to have way more updates. But any closing thoughts before we head out from this conversation? Well, thank you so much. I'm so elated and happy and information with people. And I'm really grateful for people like you that help get our word out there in all of our efforts. And thank you so much.

And everybody is watching. That's awesome. And Chanel, one last thing. How can people keep up to date with what you're doing with your Bigfoot research? Yeah, for the most part, I try to take breaks from social media, and I don't like to share my social media too much, my personal social media. But my TikTok is where I go live often, and the lives are really fun because it's totally can't generate things. So you can follow me on TikTok at Cluphoria.

and I used to do some fan fiction stuff, so I've kept that up because, I don't know, if you like the TV show Euphoria, or if you like Stranger Things, like I'm kind of a nerd at heart, so I'm leaving that stuff up. It's part of who I was, you know, so that's there. But for the most part, that's where you can find all my stuff.

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