Bigfoot Society - Dr. Simeon Hein — Dark Matter Monsters, Bigfoot Science & the Electromagnetic Paranormal

Episode Date: November 9, 2025

In this mind-bending episode of Bigfoot Society, host Jeremiah Byron sits down with Dr. Simeon Hein — author of Dark Matter Monsters — to explore the bridge between science and the unexplained.Sim...eon dives deep into how Bigfoot, UFOs/UAPs, and other paranormal encountersmay connect through dark matter physics, electromagnetic fields, and resonant energy phenomena. Discover how eyewitness reports, environmental changes, and even “the hitchhiker effect” could reveal hidden scientific truths behind mysterious creatures and high-strangeness events.🎙️ Topics Discussed:What are Dark Matter Monsters and how do they relate to Bigfoot sightings?The physics of electromagnetic anomalies and environmental distortion during encountersLinks between Bigfoot and UFO/UAP phenomenaThe “hitchhiker effect” and how paranormal experiences can change perceptionWhy mainstream science struggles to study unexplained eventsSimeon's background in remote viewing and resonant sensingReal-world witness patterns that point toward deeper universal laws👣 About the Guest:Dr. Simeon Hein is a researcher, author, and lecturer who explores the intersection of physics, sociology, and the paranormal. His books — including Dark Matter Monsters — delve into how coherent matter, EM fields, and consciousness may explain cryptid and UFO encounters.Dark Matter Monsters by Dr. Simeon Hein - https://amzn.to/3JGZarR (Amazon affiliate link, helps support the podcast)Learn more at https://darkmattermonsters.com/and follow his work on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/@Fractalfriend) and Patreon (Dark Matter Mysteries - https://www.patreon.com/darkmattermysteries/)Another great interview with Simeon here on the Flash of Beauty channel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12cawRpEYg0🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to bigfootsociety@gmail.com – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn MoreLMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNTOrganic and non-GMO groceries delivered for lesshttp://thrv.me/uarEhS🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072

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Starting point is 00:01:15 You're listening to Bigfoot Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first-hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible. From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. So settle in because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. I, Bigfa Society.
Starting point is 00:01:47 I've got the privilege of talking to Dr. Simeon Hine today. Simeon is an individual that I was able to meet at the 2025 Sasquatch Summerfest in Oak Ridge, Oregon, which is awesome to meet him in person. A little bit about Simeon before we get started. He's an author, researcher, musician, and lecturer who focuses on the physics and sociology of Bigfoot UFOs, remote viewing, and other non-ordinary electromagnetic phenomena. And his books and more can be found on his website, which is Simeonhine.com. And I have that linked down in the show notes. But welcome to the show, Simeon.
Starting point is 00:02:25 How are you doing today, sir? Hey Jeremiah, thanks. Thanks a lot. Thanks for having me here today. This is so cool to be able to talk to you about your work. Your interview to also plug Flash of Beauty guys, your two-part interview was very instrumental in helping me work through a lot of things that I've experienced over the years and realizing that, hey, it's really not a lot of people are experiencing things. Here's probably the reason why. And it's very cool. You've got, it's such an interesting book. It delves into the phenomena of Bigfoot, UFO, other things, and puts the lens of fringe science onto it and maybe explaining why we are where we are. Let's say if a person was to pick up your book, Dark Matter Monsters, and there's a Bigfoot right on the cover. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:18 Which is, oh, man, we're talking about cryptos. We're talking about ball lightning and the science of secret life forms, which is fantastic. but if you're just to meet someone in the street and you're talking, as you do, you mention in the book, I'm talking to people that are around Colorado, how do you present what a dark matter monster is? That's a good question. And I like to listen to people's stories the way they tell them, just like you do on this podcast. And I just will tell people what I do. and if people have had experiences that seem unexplainable out of the ordinary on the edge,
Starting point is 00:04:01 I like to listen to hear what they have to say. So I'm not trying to convert people that are not inherently interested in the topic. I'm attempting to talk to people that have had an experience sometime in their life or had a relative who had an experience or a close friend or someone that, really trust and they know is telling the truth. Something that's stuck at the back of their mind their whole lives that just doesn't fit the version of reality that we grew up in from our school system and Western culture. And I like to ask them about it and hear what they have to say. And that's how I can introduce my ideas about what may explain some of that going on.
Starting point is 00:04:50 Now, if you're, if going back to your question, if I'm talking to someone and they just don't have any interest in anything related to what we call the paranormal, it's going to be a very short conversation. But surprisingly, Jeremiah, a lot of people have had some sort of experience with what we call the paranormal somewhere. And when I'm, I'm getting my haircut or something like this and the hairdresser asked me what I do, most of the time people say, say, I'm fascinated by this subject. I love Bigfoot. I love UFO shows. What do you think's really going on? Then we're going to have a conversation. Are there things that you listen for in conversations like that really set off the, let's say, I know I do this when I'm talking to people, they set off the bells in my head and I'm like, oh, okay, here we go. Are there certain, let's say, phrases that you're listening for when you're talking to these individuals? Yeah, I'm listening and I'm looking at body language.
Starting point is 00:05:58 Because having been involved with remote viewing, what I call resonant viewing, resonance, sensing, it's something that as the monitor, watching the viewer do their session, certain types of body language that repeats over and over again, micro movements, we call them. it's a subconscious body language. They're people that probably specialize this that work for the FBI and law enforcement. It's tempting to tell if people are giving them a true story or not. And it's that type of body language that I can see where the person seems to be reliving their experience to some degree as they tell it to you again. I think you know what I'm talking about.
Starting point is 00:06:48 Absolutely. You're going to hear it in the types of witnesses that you talk to, and it spans the range of paranormal phenomena. I'm including Bigfoot encrypted in that category, just whether you believe it's just a pure flesh and blood, gigantepithecus, Blackie, or something that has other dimensional aspects to it, it's still within our culture fits in with that range of phenomena that is outside. the ordinary set of belief systems that were taught about. And so when people talk about these experiences, there is a degree of trauma and a degree of feeling insecure or unsafe telling the story to other people. And so that's what I can see. And that's what gets my interest going.
Starting point is 00:07:48 is that to me is an indicator of validity, of veridical, we call it a veritable type of evidence. There's some verifiable aspect to it. Hypothetically, we could verify this if we had been there or had other means we could have seen and observed using the types of observation that we accept in science. and law, that something really happened to this person. They are not just making this up, fantasizing, imagining, which I'm not saying that those types of experiences aren't real in their
Starting point is 00:08:34 own way, but what we want is experiences that we can agree upon what happened. And we've got that with this type of topic in spades. In fact, I'm really surprised by how similar people's experiences are with a lot of these phenomena. And that's what motivated me to write Dark Matter Monsters is I kept hearing the same sorts of features and characteristics of the environment of these encounters with Bigfoot, with orbs, and related phenomena. And I could see these patterns. It led me to believe that the similarities of these experiences. Jeremiah, even debunkers pick up on this consistency of experience,
Starting point is 00:09:27 but they use it to say humans all have the same type of brains, so the brains creating the same sort of illusion. That's really, I think it's a cop-out explanation, actually, because you could say that about anything. to me it indicates they are dealing with a similar type of phenomena wherever they are on the globe. And that's the sort of thing that I look for. That makes perfect sense. I did experience that for the first time out in Oak Ridge in 2024 because that's when I was really for the first time talking to people face to face.
Starting point is 00:10:02 And you notice things like the person really doesn't want to be there anymore. They get very uncomfortable. It's like they're reliving it. You've got goosebumps on. skin of their arms maybe. Their eyes are kind of changing, like maybe dilating. Very interesting. But you mentioned that you started to notice patterns that would come up.
Starting point is 00:10:22 And maybe these are, they would be referred to as maybe paranormal related. But would you be able to go through a few of these patterns that you started to notice that perhaps could be explained by science? Yes. One of them, I think one of the major characteristics here is, is this sudden feeling of the environment changing from something that doesn't feel hospitable or friendly or conducive. It's a feeling that something's not right. It verges on being a premonition.
Starting point is 00:11:04 It's just a feeling it could be in the forest or even in a non-forested area of a change where it's, seems like sound doesn't propagate the same way. Colors start to look a little darker. They lose the kind of variety of hues that we're used to when we see
Starting point is 00:11:29 color. Things shift towards the darker end of the visual spectrum. And there are these temperature changes. People describe it like a sudden stillness that seems
Starting point is 00:11:44 to come over the area that even affects insects. And so you begin to wonder whether there is some sort of change
Starting point is 00:12:00 to the structure of the environment that is affecting how electromagnetic waves and sound propagate through ordinary mediums were used to mainly air, right?
Starting point is 00:12:21 What is going on that the entire range of our senses is shifted by the presence of these creatures or even in other types of situations with other types of phenomena? But you get the same sort of effect is that sounds seem different, the color seemed different, the temperature changes. Usually it gets colder. And so it just goes, even on a sunny day,
Starting point is 00:12:53 you get this gut feeling like you should turn around and leave. And I've heard this from people that never even saw anything, but they said it affected their pets, too. The pets, which were normally fearless dogs, I have one of these myself, these types of dogs that don't seem afraid of anything, all of a sudden are coming back to you, hiding behind you, or running under the car, something that's really unusual for them. Now, you could make the argument, Jeremiah, if you're just like a cut and dry biologist, that this is just an ordinary response to a predator being in the area. But the reason I don't think that explanation completely explains it is because of these other physical characteristics that change in the environment that you normally don't
Starting point is 00:13:48 see around ordinary mammals. Everyone probably listening has been to the zoo at some point. You don't see these things happening at the zoo. You don't see your camera start to fail, batteries draining stuff like this, the electromagnetic effects. You don't see that around ordinary mammals. Just using a zoo as a good kind of control environment. but you do get it around Bigfoot encounters and related phenomena. So that's what you're looking for. And in science, that's the gold standard here, is replicability. Isn't that what we're told?
Starting point is 00:14:27 Is that repeatability, replicability is one of the key features of what we consider to be modern science, is that different people could reproduce the same effect in a different setting. And that consistency is so strong around Bigfoot encrypted. It led me to in the direction of saying it's not just fringe science we're talking about. We're talking about an entirely different type of electromagnetism than we're used to being around it. Because it affects devices to, you can talk to researchers to say their car batteries were affected. multiple batteries were affected at the same time in the same parking lot when they got back to their cars, devices, and so forth.
Starting point is 00:15:20 So the fact that it can affect, for the most skeptical people, you could say, the fact that affects electronic devices, which are usually so reliable, work in so many different circumstances and ranges of temperatures, integrated circuits, and semiconductors. The fact that those are affected by what we're told. old is, even if you accept just the idea, okay, Bigfoot does exist, but it's just a rare North American wood ape. How would you explain how just a rare mammal, if that's all Bigfoot is, would affect electronics? That just simply doesn't make sense from any sort of conventional explanation. And that's how you end up in the direction that I did with my writings and my research
Starting point is 00:16:05 and stuff. Absolutely. And I think something I took away from the book, book that was just fascinating because I'm not super versed in the UFO side as well or UAP side and how there are similarities between witnesses and experiences on that side and on the Bigfoot side as well. But I wasn't aware of all the experiences where witnesses on that side or who get in close proximity will have really powerful physical ailments happen or maybe things that could be like directed radiation or things like that. No, that's fascinating aspect of it, isn't it? You would not think there would be this parallel between UFOs, what we now call UAP, and Bigfoot.
Starting point is 00:16:50 I remember going to Bigfoot UFO conferences before I was interested in Bigfoot. And you would have one Bigfoot presenter per conference. So I got exposed to it that way. And it was so fascinating that there was even some overlap between, what would seem to be completely unrelated subjects. On this episode of plant killers, we'll explore one nation's most notorious fruit and vegetable killer, Bad Dirt. What makes Bad Dirt so bad?
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Starting point is 00:20:16 are telling you is that your preconceptions about it are way too limited, that there's something bigger going on that may not easily fit in any of your mental categories. But that's what the witnesses, some of them say they experience. You only have to read Stan Gordon's books, Silent Invasion, Creepy cryptids, and watch some of his presentations. And you'll see that this sometimes happens where people see Bigfoot experience. them in and around their homes or wherever they are, and also see or just full-fledged UFOs in the same area, either at the exact same time or around the same time period. Again, suggesting that both Bigfoot-in UFOs have something to do with another type of reality,
Starting point is 00:21:14 another version of our own reality, a pocket that's the way I think of it, within our reality. Or maybe we're in the pocket, but it's something to do with our reality that we haven't really looked at very much. But again, has that repeatability and those same sorts of characteristics that you just mentioned. Now, this sudden sort of fear that people experience is in and of itself really fascinating. because the witnesses I've talked to have described it in terms that you just used a few minutes ago when you asked me the question, which is it seems like a projected fear. It's a little different than that foreboding sense that people have before an encounter. This is a very strong feeling of dread and terror that people have told.
Starting point is 00:22:11 me they knew was not coming from within side them. It felt like it was being projected by the creature from the outside because it turned off again like a light switch when the creature left. So they had these extreme levels of terror, panic, and fear. Some people describe it as the most terrifying feeling they've ever felt in their lives. That feeling of real dread like you're about to be dinner feeling. And then it just vanishes really quickly. And so I'm not saying
Starting point is 00:22:47 that this is all it is, but people have described it to me as something that's being projected onto them almost like a type of electromagnetic or sonic weaponry from the creatures. And then people also sometimes
Starting point is 00:23:03 get this and not always around UFOs and so forth or alleged extraterrestrials and be life forms like that. So the question, is it something that's deliberate on the part of the Bigfoot or is it a byproduct of their particular sort of, in the loosest sense of the word frequency? It could be either or both. Listeners, this conversation is just going to be the surface of it. You will really have to dig into the book to get the whole story, but this is just going to be a really fun conversation.
Starting point is 00:23:41 Do you think that, and you mentioned or maybe alluded to it, that there's something else going on, maybe some kind of multiverse, or do you think there could be different parts of the U.S., or maybe window areas or areas of high strangeness that's concentrated? Yes, I do think it's concentrated in certain areas, but having said that, it does seem to spread. out over the whole U.S. because there are no states without Bigfoot sightings. I was surprised even to find spending some time recently back in New York where I grew up looking on the BFRO database sightings in Westchester County where I grew up as a kid, which is just north of New York City. And then talking to people just a few weeks ago there and getting information
Starting point is 00:24:39 about witnesses who saw tree structures and creatures standing at the edge of forest lines just outside of suburbia, major metropolitan area, and even some reports right there, just 20 miles north of New York City. It seems to be, and that's just my personal case, you hear about cases on Cape Cod, You know, the little peninsula coming off from Massachusetts where you used to spend time when I was a kid with my family coming, growing up on the East Coast. Places you wouldn't expect Bigfoot just because you don't have a lot of forest cover there, the things that we expect to be essential to Bigfoot habitat. Maybe that's mythology. Maybe they don't need those forests.
Starting point is 00:25:31 And it's something that we're creating because of our association of. being like an ape or something like this. But there do seem to be pocket areas. I gave us talk about this to the Snippy 25 conference near Alamosa in Colorado. If people want to come to that next year, I am told it will be open to the public. It's been a private conference for the ranch family for a few years, but that will be open next year, Snippy 25. and the more research I did into these phenomena, the more it seemed,
Starting point is 00:26:08 and this is something we can go into it another time, Jeremiah, I'm going to put up a video or some videos about it on my YouTube channel shortly about the geology of the planet creating electromagnetic anomaly areas from charge clusters electrically. active materials like Gilsonite that's beneath the Uinta Basin in Utah, home of the
Starting point is 00:26:42 Skinwalker Ranch, and Alamosa, San Luis Valley, silica, materials that naturally gather static charges, which, from my perspective, coming from this perspective that I talk about in Dark Matter Monsters, and I talked about in a flash of beauty, paranormal
Starting point is 00:27:02 Bigfoot, the second Flash of Beauty movie, that's available online for people to watch, that there is this component to these phenomena that have to do with what we call coherent matter, a type of matter past plasmas. And this sort of gets to why we see these orbs and ball lightning and what we call mobile luminous objects, anomalous light phenomena, around all these different types of paranormal experiences, including people say they experience it around Bigfoot Sasquatch. Native Americans talked about this. So it does seem to be related to charge clusters, condensed, static, electricity, something that science doesn't understand very well. And it seems to be related to certain
Starting point is 00:28:04 areas. So there is an overlap there, and it would suggest that, going back to your question, is it a parallel reality or is it like multiverse or? And this is where I'm going with my next YouTube video about the work of Ken shoulders who studied exotic vacuum objects, charge clusters, what he at one time called electromagnetic vortex, vortices, vortex, energy, EVs, electron vortex structures,
Starting point is 00:28:40 later called them evos, that this creates certain changes in the sort of electromagnetic structure of the area, which is conducive to other types of phenomena, electronic phenomena, and shoulder says life forms,
Starting point is 00:29:03 electronic life forms that operate different types of physics constants that we're not normally used to. So, Jeremy, just to answer your question, he suggests that it's within our reality.
Starting point is 00:29:23 It's not, again, it's something I've studied extensively parallel realities, whoever at the third in the 50s creating this many worlds interpretation of MWI, many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, and there are other versions of that talk about parallel realities. And I think those exist, but because they're parallel, they don't often have much of an influence on our reality. What Shoulders is talking about is, is within our visual world, there's a dark world.
Starting point is 00:30:00 He calls it a world of black organizations with ghostly properties. And he's not trying to be spooky there. He's actually talking from experimental research into charge clusters, which he could see had a dark state and even had different speeds of light compared to what we're used to, which gets back to what we see around UFOs, UAP, why they seem shifted into the blue spectrum and so forth. And this has been seen around Bigfoot.
Starting point is 00:30:37 If you read the witness accounts, you'll see that people experience them sometimes with a blue glow around their bodies, which suggests to me that they are, gifting into the blue spectrum of visual light from changes to what we call permittivity, permeability, the dielectric constant and magnetic constants that usually are fixed. They certainly don't oscillate very much. Each substance has a slightly different permeability and permativity.
Starting point is 00:31:13 But if they're oscillating and they're active, they would make things seem, blurry to our eyes. And that checks a big box right there, doesn't it, Jeremiah? Oh, absolutely. How many times have we heard the photos turned out blurry, right? How come the photos of UFOs
Starting point is 00:31:36 are all blurry? And now that we have AI advanced video, photographic, editing, all this. How come it's so sharp? But it used to be, why is it so blurry and why are all the photos
Starting point is 00:31:50 a bigfoot blurry, right? And all these cryptids, they never quite, they don't look quite right. And if you've looked at a lot of ghost photographs that people have taken, there's this blurriness to it, right? Which leads to the skeptics to say it's an artifact of the camera lens and so forth. But the explanation from condensed matter physics is that blurriness is caused by what's called oscillating permativity, the dielectric constant. In other words, instead of being fixed, like we're used to in the devices we're using right now to communicate. And the materials around us, it could be fluctuating, which would mean to cameras and our eyes, our eyes too. It isn't going to look like it's in focus. And that's a really big one right there, because if you can explain the blurriness with this type of discussion we're having here,
Starting point is 00:32:47 based on readily accepted physics, just the physics that people haven't looked at very much, because it's outside the norm, then you really explained a lot, because so much of what we call paranormal seems to be blurry and have this often a blue tinge to it. And yet there are good, I'm not saying this isn't necessarily correct,
Starting point is 00:33:12 but there are good reasons why you see that, and people have seen it in the lab. around low-energy nuclear reaction, coherent energy transformations, and so forth. On this episode of plant killers, we'll explore one nation's most notorious fruit and vegetable killer, bad dirt. What makes bad dirt so bad?
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Starting point is 00:35:54 skinwalkers at the Pentagon. Howell put off has said publicly a couple of times, I've been there at one of these lectures. One of them was in Las Vegas in 2018 at a joint meeting of the Society for Scientific Exploration and International Remote Viewing Association, both of whom I've been a member of these organizations a long time been to a lot of means. So Howell gets up there and tells us that what they suspect is going on is that these craft can manipulate permittivity with metamaterials that act like waveguides and effectively change their speed of light relative to us, which would cause each of them and us to be in different
Starting point is 00:36:39 frames of reference in a sense. But yet together at the same time. Now, Shelders calls that he says these are objects that don't completely couple into our ordinary description of reality because their permittivity is different, their speed of light is increased. By the way, for those people are thinking, wait a minute, speed of light's fixed, right? This is what we were taught. Einstein himself wrote two papers about variable speed of light in 19, I believe there was 1907 and 1911 around that time or 1909. He argued there could be a variable speed of light based on mass affecting the speed of light as it moves through the universe and stars and so forth.
Starting point is 00:37:27 So he even made an argument for it, though he didn't really push that because it was enough just to go with his theories of relativity was enough for him just to publicize and write about at the time. But he said it could be variable, and that's what Hal told us they think is going on. I'm saying the OSAP eight to programs and whatever it's called now. And this is formally classified research. So if this isn't sound totally familiar to people, it's not your fault. This has been hidden from us because the government felt that it could reveal too many national security secrets to talk about it publicly.
Starting point is 00:38:11 So that's as far as we got when Hal told us that. And he talked about one type of material, business magnanimity and so forth, layered. wave guide materials that they didn't think was manufactured here on Earth. That's just another subject. But it does relate back to Bigfoot because you get some of these same anomalous, blurry effects around Deepfoot. And one more thing, Jeremiah, is that even Stan Gordon wrote about his witnesses, mostly in western Pennsylvania, all those townships in southwestern Pennsylvania, south east of the Pittsburgh area west east of Pittsburgh people describe the creatures looking blurry to their eyes not even with the camera they just said it looked blurry and this isn't
Starting point is 00:39:00 just then it's these different accounts you read about and hear people talk about they said the creatures looked blurry and then there are other cases where the creatures looked partly invisible, right? Like, you could only see them from the waist up, and there are other cases where people only saw huge legs and nothing above the waist. You've heard these encounters,
Starting point is 00:39:23 if you've listened to a different podcast. Huge legs out there with nobody. And then Stan Gordon takes the cake here with some creatures. I'm not even sure what type of creatures we're talking about here, if it's a big foot or not, where there were like striped invisibility,
Starting point is 00:39:40 like parts were visible and parts were transparent. And that's, okay, so that checks so many boxes right there using this sort of idea that I'm talking to you about, permutivity, permeability, basic magnetic and electrocococlastis, that's what, again, led me in the direction of thinking that there's an electromagnetic aspect to all of this. It's pretty important that hasn't been studied. It hasn't been studied a lot because even, Bigfoot researchers, whatever that means, mainstream Bigfoot researchers, if there is such a thing.
Starting point is 00:40:16 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So you often hear people say, we want science to accept us. So we don't want UFOs in our database. We're not only thinking weird. We just want just the facts, ma'am. But that's what the facts are is that it looks blurry some of the time and other things like that.
Starting point is 00:40:33 There's this tendency to want to normalize the subject. And I kind of laugh when I hear this. For I'm researchers who believe that if they sanitize Bigfoot, it'll be more acceptable to the mainstream. And then maybe they'll get funding. I understand the logic. I even heard Jeff Meldrum say this in the interview. Jeff, who we all miss and who's a big researcher, very important in getting Bigfoot on the map. But even in one of these interviews, I heard him is part of what these sort of podcast memorials to him.
Starting point is 00:41:07 And I never met him, but I heard a lot about him and so forth. I watched his presentations and so forth. But he even said, oh, just stick to, and I'm not trying to criticize him. He said to new researchers, oh, just stick to mainstream stuff until you get tenure, until your full professor, all that stuff. And this is not right. You're creating scientific falsehoods for funding for accepted. for career stability.
Starting point is 00:41:41 And I am sorry, but when you do that, you're selling out. That's just how Simeon looks at it. And I'm not trying to criticize other academics. I've been there. I come from a family of academics. I know that you have to play the game like in any other job. But if you do it too much, you're not telling the truth anymore. And that's what happened with the Bigfoot subject matter is you have these academics
Starting point is 00:42:06 who were just saying, look, it's real. And I was right downstairs from Grover Krantz at WSU. He was one-four-up from the 80s. I never met him, but I had a friend who hung out with him a lot who was older than me, who could afford to do that. And so I was, it wasn't a subject matter that was on my radar, even though the first ever Bigfoot conference I'm told in the U.S., one of the first was at WSU in 1989.
Starting point is 00:42:33 And I didn't even know about it. It wasn't on my radar back then. But Grover Kranz was really close. But people like Grover and Jeff and others paid a big price for arguing that Bigfoot was real, and John Bindernaeckel, too, from Canada. These people really put their effort into, they've all three passed on now. They put so much of their career on the line just to say that Bigfoot was real. from evidence, footprints, hair samples, vocalization.
Starting point is 00:43:10 And they had that evidence in spades, and they couldn't get anyone to pay attention to them for the most part, right? They got ignored, hostility, and so forth. You can, they all three of them talked about this. And so I get that just to argue that Bigfoot was real might lead you in the direction and say, look, we don't want to talk about the weird, spooky booby stuff, right? What people call the woo.
Starting point is 00:43:37 Because we want science to accept it. I say to heck with that. Let's just go with the evidence. Let the chips fall where they will. Absolutely. And let's honor the witnesses who've had the courage to come forward and tell us their story, which is not always easy because they have to relive the experience. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:55 They relive the trauma. Yeah. So I say to heck with science accepting it. Science didn't accept electromagnetism. They didn't accept Maxwell or James Faraday in the day. Those guys were miserable if you read their writings. They were considered to be weirdos believing in things that were not visible. Electro-technism, temperature, imponderables, they were called.
Starting point is 00:44:23 They were not considered real. Anyone who's ever gone off in a new direction gets a lot. lot of hostility from those who just want to count how many angels are on head of a pit. Okay? Because they want to stick with just sophistry and metaphysical arguments. Well, data-driven people who are dealing with experiments like Faraday and Maxwell want to explain reality, and they're not popular with the older guard who want to stick with things that can't be disproved. So this is what Bigfoot researchers have encountered. But look, this is what the witnesses tell us they're saying.
Starting point is 00:45:05 And in my field, Jeremiah, in sociology, it's a cardinal sin to emit data. Oh, absolutely. That's this, yes, yes, you know what I'm talking about. That is the strength of sociology. People make fun of sociology because it's not one of the hard sciences. But it has, it's a softer science, but there's benefits to that, which is you're told from day one, you are not here to edit what the witnesses tell you. It's true in anthropology, too, with participant observation. You're not there to decide what's real and what's not. You're there to listen to what people are telling you
Starting point is 00:45:42 and to make sense of it over a period of time without you judging what they're saying. Otherwise, you're introducing bias into the scientific process, and that's what we have happened with Bigfoot. It's one of the saddest things. It's just a sad commentary, but you hear it and you see it a lot. And that's something I had to make a decision on a few years ago is, okay, I'm starting to get these weird accounts. What am I going to do? Am I going to bury it or am I going to let it out there? And I was like, you know what?
Starting point is 00:46:17 They are experiencing something. It needs to get out there. So that's what I decided and I've gone with it. Okay, for you. I think it's a huge decision that everyone needs to make on their own. Really, if one of the things I took away from your book is it almost seems like, let's say we're focusing on Bigfoot, is that they have maybe access to things that we don't have in our understanding of science. They have access to maybe, or I guess, dark matter to put it a certain way. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:49 And that's such a, I think it's, for me, it's a hard thing to put across, but is there any way that it's able to be. boiled down into a conversation that takes place on a podcast, which it's just, you're skimming the surface. Yes, I think there is, Jeremiah. Everyone is familiar with
Starting point is 00:47:13 these little ultrasonic cleaning devices that clean jewelry that you can get on Amazon for like 30 bucks. Ultrasonic. Has anyone ever used like an ultrasonic
Starting point is 00:47:27 toothbrush? or had a cleaning at the dentist where they used one of those little tools that creates a little fat, it doesn't hurt, it's just a very fast vibration that goes between your teeth, using sound to clean something. That is, when you put it into liquids, it creates something called cavitation. This is a really interesting subject. It's using ultrasonic frequencies to create little bubbles in liquids. and when those bubbles collapse, they produce a tremendous amount of energy that's called cavitation. And they seem to produce excess heat.
Starting point is 00:48:13 And it's another way to generate what's called Lennar, low energy nuclear reactions, charge clusters. The way I mentioned Ken Cholters before, he created charge clusters on nettle. and so forth with solid state, electronics, little microball lightnings, as he called them. There are a lot of different ways to do that. But other researchers have used water and created sound ultrasonic energy to generate cavitation, which is if you increase it enough, seems to tap in to some sort of quantum-level bonding of molecules. And when they disassociate and come apart and they come back together again, the little bubbles collapse, they seem to create more heat than it uses initially to create the bubble in the first place,
Starting point is 00:49:13 which is called excess heat. And when you start doing that, you get all sorts of interesting transmutation going on that changes elements from one type of element. on the periodic chart into another element, what's called alchemy or nucleonic transmutation. And one way to do it is through high-frequency sound. And there is evidence that once you've started to generate this process, it can create a number of exotic nucleonic quantum interaction. actions involving neutrinos, antinotrinos, and so forth. And people that are interested in this topic, what used to be called Cold Fusion,
Starting point is 00:50:10 are interested in creating a chain reaction, whereby you take that excess heat and you put it back into the reactor, into the experiment, to create an infinite loop of energy. And that is where the belief and the evidence goes in the direction. The debate about whether cold fusion, low energy nuclear reaction, coherent energy transformations, as it's now called. Is that real or not? Can you create excess heat? And once you have that excess heat, could you feed that back into a device or something to keep it sustaining itself for long, long periods of time and create very inexpensive energy? And you've heard this discussion before. On this episode of plant killers, we'll explore one nation's most notorious fruit and
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Starting point is 00:53:03 dark matter because there's some types of dark matter. We've identified some types of it. People often say it's a theoretical debate. But there is evidence for relic neutrinos. You can just look on Wikipedia of all places for cosmic background radiation. And there's strong indirect evidence for small percentage of what we call dark matter, one or two percent to be neutrino background radiation from the cosmos. from big birth of the universe events billions of years ago. They're still coming, they're still around these little particles from that time period. And they have gravitational effects.
Starting point is 00:53:47 And they seem to be involved in some of these cold fusion linear reactions. And that's from the work of Dr. Alexander Parkimovian Russia and other researchers. And so that's one way that these relic neutrino, seem to act like catalysts to spur reactions on, and they're also all at the same frequency and temperature because they were created at the same time in the universe. And that's one type of particle that could be involved in these sort of continuous self-looping types of energy reactions
Starting point is 00:54:25 that I think some types of organisms may take advantage of and use it in a way that this helps them survive. In the case of Bigfoot, there are a number of ways, in my view, that they could be generating these types of charge clusters, one of which could be through cavitation. People have heard them singing, making these very consistent humming sounds, and so forth. Yes.
Starting point is 00:54:56 Yeah, and I'm wondering whether they use sound to generate, and tap into this type of energy process that I'm talking about, some sort of natural cavitation, where they figured out how to do this, not in the laboratory, but right in their bodies, like they do everything else. They can generate some sort of cavitation process and have access to types of energy
Starting point is 00:55:24 that we don't consciously realize we could access. Because you talk to Whitley, is they talk about this humming sound around the Bigfoot. Yes. So you wonder whether they have this natural technological ability from sound cavitation, which has already been demonstrated in the lab. And it's something that you don't want to turn up too much because it can create, it can create types of radiation, gamma radiation and so forth,
Starting point is 00:55:58 which isn't healthy to be around. I'm not saying the Bigfoot are doing that. But at a low level, you could do it safely without the radiation. And this, it's a big subject. But there's an aspect of Bigfoot around gifting and their ability to morph and change materials into other things that people have talked about occasionally, even repairing things on the outside of their homes that seemed irreparable. Or even repairing people. with their health. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:56:33 Which is that, that just blows my mind. I don't even know how to deal with that yet. Harriet Myers has talked about that. And others. Wow. Healing experiences around Bigfoot, I've heard a couple of these where people who really seem to have something really terminal were healed. Because,
Starting point is 00:56:51 and they said that they heard these sounds outside their tents the whole night. Oh. I don't have the definitive answer to this. It is one way that we can go from an animal, mammal, creature like Bigfoot, human, ancient human, whatever they are, into sort of exotic physics is through sound. Another way we can get there is through hair. Hair can build up static charge. And if one thing is pretty consistent across Bigfoot descriptions, it's the amount of hair that they have.
Starting point is 00:57:30 sometimes very long here, right? I don't think that's just for decoration. Again, it's like nature doesn't waste anything. So they're walking along wherever they are, whether it's in the forest or the deserts or the mountains. They could be building up static charge, which they store through their very fine hairs. The type of hair they have is a very fine type.
Starting point is 00:58:00 of hair. Perfect for creating static charges. And once you have static buildup, if you can create some charge separation and then recombine the charges in some way, you're creating charge clusters, exotic vacuum objects, and these changes in permittivity that we were talking about a few So those are two ways that I could think of Bigfoot doing this naturally, biologically, that doesn't even go beyond ordinary science. Absolutely. It's fascinating. And thank you. You were able to boil it down rather nicely in the way that people hear that.
Starting point is 00:58:42 They're like, I want to hear some more of that. Check out dark matter monsters for sure. Now, there's over the years when I've noticed certain patterns in my interviews, I started to come up with. maybe a hypothesis of some sorts in something that I've noticed. And I think your book might go into it a bit as well. But what I've started to notice is that when an individual will go into an area that is extremely active and they have an experience of some sort, a lot of times afterwards they will start to almost unlock abilities or have things happen, everything. from they might hear voices or start to have things happen around their house. And some people call that the hitchhiker effect. But does your research try to go into that at all what people
Starting point is 00:59:41 experience when they're back home and then weird things start to happen? That is a, I'm glad you brought that up, Jeremiah. That is a really interesting aspect of all this because again, it's not just confined to Bigfoot experiences. It's the same thing happens around people who've had UFO sightings, sometimes, and visited some of these paranormal hotspot areas and so forth. And yeah, it's been called the Hitchhiker effect. Lackatsky talks about that in his book as a type of like a medical contagion. You know, it's almost like a virus that like an energetic,
Starting point is 01:00:22 Iris you picked up transported back home. I don't think it's literally a hitchhiker effect. I don't think anything that's attached itself to you. What's happened is you've been exposed to another energy field with a different permutivity than what you're used to, and it's caused some of your own permittivity to start oscillating a bit. So the experience has changed you so that you're perceiving a wider range of frequencies. than you did before the experience.
Starting point is 01:00:55 And now that you're perceiving a wider range of frequencies, you're seeing more of what's out there that was there the whole time, but you didn't interact with it or see it before. Because this is something that it goes back to so many types of encounters, even people that have encountered orbs in the road driving their car. there's a case about this the day case that Andrew Collins writes about in his book I think the new circle makers or something it starts off as a book about crop circles by the way we saw some of these types of effects around crop circle something I was involved in researching since
Starting point is 01:01:40 1997 and Collins talks about the day family just encountering, I forgot the color of the orb, whether it was blueish or something on the road, on the outskirts of London, they have missing time. When they come back, a couple hours are missing, they drive home, and then they have these types of experiences around their homes, see shadow people, hear voices, change their lifestyles in very interesting ways, become very concerned about the ecology of the earth. they quit smoking and drinking. Really a transformative effect.
Starting point is 01:02:22 And this often happens with Bigfoot experiencers too. And look, I'm not claiming to completely explain all this because it's really strange. Sometimes people drive home from locations that seem far away on the highway, and the Bigfoot is back there at their home the same night. They see them out their window,
Starting point is 01:02:46 the pets are starting to act strangely and stuff. And it's just stretching your ability of what you could believe if something was running all the way to get back to where these people are. I'm not saying that's impossible, but it does raise a lot of questions because, yes, people have this sort of experience. They see cryptids back in their home. Now, going to the extreme, like Lakatsky talks about in Skinwalkers of the Pentagon, those researchers from analysts, as he calls them, from DIA, some of them, as he says, battle-hardened veterans of combat go out to Skinwalker Ranch as part of the Ossap program when Bigelow owned it.
Starting point is 01:03:41 and they experience orbs and strange creatures out there and so forth, UFOs. They go back to their comfortable Maryland suburbs only to see cryptids. And I think Likatsky's talking about dogmen type cryptids. Back in Maryland,
Starting point is 01:04:04 that's pretty far away from Utah. You've ever driven it? It's far away. So what is going, this is why Lekatsky describes it like a contagion, something that spreads. It's kind of medical analogy because these people were not talking to their families what they had been doing because AASAP, I believe, was a special access program. I don't think it was something that they were at liberty to talk about. There was some classification involved. And yet they claimed that their wives and kids started seeing these dogmen too in the backyards.
Starting point is 01:04:48 And even the friends of the kids started seeing them around. So that would suggest that your frequency has been changed by being out at Skinwalker Ranch. Your permittivity or some aspect of your physics that makes up who you are. has been changed and now you're resonating in a different frequency and you're affecting other people. So I can see why they use that analogy, but I don't think it's literally any entities attaching themselves to you. I think it's you've had a new experience and it's changed your ability to perceive and interact with
Starting point is 01:05:35 what's already out there. and that becomes this cold fusion analogy we were using a few moments ago. Right. Like with excess heat creating a self-sustaining reaction. It's like that, but with information. It's created a self-sustaining reaction that you're participating in, too. That's my interpretation of it, Jeremiah. It's a really cool interpretation.
Starting point is 01:06:02 It really is. Do you think that, and this is just me thinking out loud, there could be no answer for this, but do you think that change that happens to witnesses could be permanent for some and for some others, it just goes away eventually and then things are back to normal? Yeah. Yeah. I think so too. I think in many cases it just goes back to normal. I know people like this. I'll give you an example of this, okay, and I have permission to talk about this story. I had a friend from Arizona come visit me in Boulder while I was working on dark matter monsters. I was literally putting the book together. We hadn't seen each other in 10 years.
Starting point is 01:06:41 We used to do remote viewing together. She just thought it'd be fun to come and visit and talk about the remote viewing, spend the whole time together, hang out and talk about what we'd learn from RV and go over our sessions and things from the past. So I told her about writing the book. She wasn't a believer in Bigfoot. She told me later that she thought people like you and me were of like weirdos who believed in this stuff, that sort of idea, that we were just making this up. And yet she went, she didn't tell me that at the time, but she told me that later. I didn't hear from her for quite a while after she left. And then I get a communication that she had Bigfoot encounters around her family's summer cabin
Starting point is 01:07:29 in northeastern Arizona in that area, the Mangian Rim area. And it started to intensify. She started seeing the tree structures which she thought were just built by Boy Scouts. On this episode of Plant Killers, we'll explore one nation's most notorious fruit and vegetable killer.
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Starting point is 01:09:53 And she heard the whooping sounds, which she had always attributed just to some forest sounds from animals. even the smell, the kind of a wet dog smell out the window. And this is in the forest. It's just in a town at the edge of the forest. And then it intensified and she went back one time. And the way she described it was she was doing a meditation and all of a sudden the meditation felt too good. It felt too strong. Like something was helping her with the meditation.
Starting point is 01:10:28 She opened her eyes and saw a huge Sasquatch staring right at her through the picture window in a crouched position. She said it was taller than she was crouched, squatting. It was five or six feet high. And when it stood up, when they made eye contact, she said it was 12 feet or more. And it was so terrifying for her that she just felt a whole range of emotions and feelings. and it was this real strong eye contact that people describe the witnesses you have on the show and
Starting point is 01:11:03 you're familiar with. It's like you're not looking at an ape. You're looking at a person with a kind of sense of mental cognition. Like, they know what you are. You know what they are. It's like looking at a person with a lot of hair. And it was such a mixture
Starting point is 01:11:21 of terror and wonder that she just fled into the car and didn't even take her laptop, turn out the lights, or lock the door. Like in a movie. She just didn't know what to do. So she went from being a total non-believer. And then she talks with me, this author who's writing a book, then goes home and just goes to the family's vacation place
Starting point is 01:11:48 and starts seeing the tree structures and hearing sounds goes back and then has this very close contact, maybe 100 feet away, which is so terrifying for she never goes back to the cabin and they sell it. So I have always wondered, yeah. So that's just my world is just talking about it to people. Did it lead to the encounter, or did it get her to be curious and now she's a little more open-minded? She did play around with their tree structures. and I'm wondering whether that got them to come closer in.
Starting point is 01:12:28 But that is what we're talking about here, how extreme this can be. So is that a type of contagion effect? We're just talking about it led to the... I don't know. We don't know the answer to these questions. Another quick anecdote. I had a friend who read the book,
Starting point is 01:12:48 one of the first copies, after they came off the printing press, and she told me she had never had very much interest in Bigfoot, but all of a sudden she started having very realistic dreams about them after reading the book. So you could say she was just imagining, thinking about it. Or did it change her in some way to come in contact with the subject and really read a book about it? And all of a sudden, her dreams change where they seem very lucid, like almost real. I believe that 100%.
Starting point is 01:13:19 So those are just, yeah. Yeah, those are just two examples right there. Where just talking about it, thinking about it leads to either some very close encounters or dream encounters. Jeremiah, it's a good question. We don't totally know the answer. Where some people, it just goes back to normal. Now, there are those people that never want to think about it again because it was too scary. I know those types of witnesses.
Starting point is 01:13:45 They just don't want to think about it. It scared them. They weren't believers. they encounter these creatures just on a nature walk and it just terrified them. So going back to your question, the weird things that happen around, what about the mental telepacy? Okay? Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:14:06 That is a commonality with alleged extraterrestrials or whatever in these craft, UAP, UFOs, and Sasquatch. You've heard this time and again. we even heard it from Les Stroud. Remember his Survivor Man Bigfoot series on YouTube? He just did Survivor Man. And then, yeah, so he's, I've been, he was one of the early people that got me really interesting in the topic, just as he was just an outdoors person, didn't really, had no
Starting point is 01:14:37 interest in the subject, but here's something during the filming, monkey chat or something, gets curious and starts going to these hotspot places. And finally, in the bummed. bonus episode. He goes out to Portland area, Portland, Oregon. And he's out there. They see orbs. And he gets this telepathic
Starting point is 01:14:58 contact, which he found disturbing. It was so disturbing. He said he went to a psychiatric professional to make sure he wasn't cracking up. And you've heard this before. People wonder, what the heck? That mind talk. So that is the type of thing going back to the earlier part of
Starting point is 01:15:17 our discussion here about parallel realities, does it lead to some bleed through? Is it a mechanical type thing where they can literally project some frequency into your brain? That's a possibility, like the infrasound idea and so forth. Or is it like they occupy another reality the way Ron Moorhead describes
Starting point is 01:15:45 in his encounters that the Sierra Can Right. And the flash of beauty people are coming out, the crew, they're producing a movie about the Sierra Sounds. They had a Kickstarter. It was funded. They've been working on this for a couple of years. They were out there in the Sierra Nevada's filming.
Starting point is 01:16:03 And there is going to be an entire, the first documentary ever about the Sierra Camp going back to the Johnson brothers, even before Ron Moorehead was up to, going back to the 50s. and I believe it was the 50s because I've seen a little preview of it. Oh, nice. And he, yeah, people are familiar with Ron Moorhead, the Sierra sounds, right? It's classic for those of us interested in this subject. But if you talk to Ron, he wasn't looking at physical creatures. He actually never saw them except, I believe, one time at a distance.
Starting point is 01:16:38 They were invisible. So this is someone who's experienced them, I believe, most of the time. most of his nine trips up to the Sierra Camp on horseback. And yet he says you couldn't see them. You'd hear the sounds. We've all heard the Sierra Camp recordings, right? It's on YouTube. It's on the internet.
Starting point is 01:17:01 Right outside the hunting structure. Oh, when I've talked to Ron, he said they should have cast shadows. We could have seen the shadows in the cracks between the lots that were used to make that hunting structure. And there were no shadows. You'd pop your head out, you didn't see anything. Plus, the other weird sound phenomena they had inside the hunting structure sounds like gongs and things like that over the structure, plus all the weird light phenomena in and around the hunting structure. Like one time you said there was something like a Star Wars like lightsaber moving through the far as?
Starting point is 01:17:42 Yeah. So these all kind of go together. This is what the witnesses tell us, the best witnesses, the Ron Moorheads, who brought up skeptics, deliberately brought up skeptics to try to disprove what they were seeing up there. And the skeptics said, no, it's real. We're seeing the same thing. We're hearing the same thing. So these are people with multiple encounters, and now we're going to have a film about it, documenting it. Apart from Ron's great books about it, Quantum Bigfoot, and In fact.
Starting point is 01:18:12 his first book about the Sierra Sounds themselves. And this is what we have in the record of evidence is these types of encounters. So there are just a lot of aspects to it. But I'm just thinking, I don't know if Ron has ever, we should ask Ron sometime. Did he experience a hitchhiker effect? That's a great question. That's a really good question. I never heard him talk about that.
Starting point is 01:18:38 I never heard him talking about it. I don't think he ever mentioned it. So this doesn't have to be inherently spooky. It's not like it has to follow you home, but sometimes it does. It seems to, quote unquote, follow you home. But again, that goes, it goes back to more of these electromagnetic analogies. The non-ordinary type of electromagnetism. Let me just use this type of analogy, Jeremiah.
Starting point is 01:19:04 You've heard about cases of the UFO's magnetizing non-magnetic materials. Sure. Would. That's sort of what it's like. like, okay, you've been around something that's at another frequency, whether it's through charge clusters, from building up static charge on their fur, or sound cavitation, or however they're doing this, could be multiple methods. Just like the UFOs are capable of creating magnetization of non-magnetic materials,
Starting point is 01:19:39 you're getting this sort of electromagnization of what you generally thought was non-electromagnetic structures around your home, around your yard, just the ordinary biological plants and fauna of nature. I'm not saying it's like a direct type of magnetization,
Starting point is 01:20:06 To me, don't you think it seems some, it's an analogy, right? Yeah, absolutely. I would agree. It's what I think it is. I think it's closer to that. You also get that, by the way, around cold fusion and Lennar experiments, that magnetization of plastic and stuff, just materials in the lab. So, again, the fact that you see this across different subjects, again, it's just a big clue
Starting point is 01:20:30 that it's some fundamental underlying alternate type of, of electromagnetism, like alternate interpretation of Maxwell's equations, that still preserve a symmetry, but it's a different type of symmetry, like a fractal symmetry, that it doesn't violate the laws of electromagnetism, but it just leads us into a different direction that we normally don't think about a lot because we live in a very corporatized type of society which has modified electromagnetism, right? It's turned it into something that's packaged and sold by the Y. Exactly. And so the powers that be and the ones that create the networks and the early electrification companies also created those networks that became the three basic TV networks.
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Starting point is 01:23:29 Mabelene, New York. Of consumption and ordinary stuff that keeps their businesses going. And this would be why we haven't really spent a lot of time thinking about these alternative types of electromagnetism. But I think when you look at this, yeah, I think that's what it is. And I'm not blaming anyone here. I'm not even creating a Confederacy theory. I'm just saying the institutions that we've had for a couple hundred years had a profit motive, which kept them focused on getting our attention on screens and speakers that basically,
Starting point is 01:24:08 sold their sorts of products and their types of entertainment and so forth. Because the early TV networks also created their own shows. So you can see the link back between the type of media you and I have been exposed to since we were kids all the way back to the original company's Westinghouse, J.P. Morgan, people that funded the electrification of the United States. And that's why these... Yeah, get it? So that's why this stuff seems weird.
Starting point is 01:24:41 It only seems weird is because we haven't been exposed to the alternative interpretations, just because the people that were delivering the media to us didn't feel it was in their institutional interest to go in this direction because it didn't increase the sales of their products, whether it be sports or entertainment, whatever. And that's why it seems so superficial when you look at our media. until the advent of the internet just recently, a couple decades ago, I think YouTube started when I forgot once that 2006 or so, seven. We haven't had this democratization of media or we can talk like this and share information, right?
Starting point is 01:25:25 I'm an equal playing field with major media. I think the good news is, and all of this, is that we have a lot of access to a lot of podcast and information like yours, like others, where we can hear what people have been experiencing and give them the respect they deserve the time of day to listen. What did you see? What did you hear? And not just tell them you saw a bear or you saw a pack of dogs, blah, blah, blah. They saw something really weird and we should just get over and accept it. I'm not saying I can completely explain all of this. I'm not, I don't want to get people the impression we're explaining this away. I'm not a reductionist. I'm just saying there's an angle on it that can give us some
Starting point is 01:26:10 information about what we're dealing with. We really don't understand who these life forms are, what their interest with us is, where they live actually most of the time. How do they do what they do? I think we've, like you're saying at the very beginning, like we can cover the surface of it a little bit. Exactly. But there's such a long way to go. But the first step, Jeremiah, is just to admit it's real it exists you could step out your door in most places now and encounter something we don't even know what you encountered i think that's a great way to summarize it but simian you're right it's like this is just scratching the surface for so many listeners and i hope that this will they'll go out check out your book and really dive into it but i feel like this is a conversation we could go on
Starting point is 01:26:59 for hours but at this point i'm just i've been trying i've been wanting to have you on for years and I'm so glad you're able to come on. But do you mind spending a few minutes about how people can keep up to date with what you're doing and things that they want to check out that you've put out there? Oh, sure. I have a whole number of websites. Some are just devoted to remote viewing training. You can do some of it at home on your own. Occasionally, I have live classes that I do on Zoom. People want to try RV for themselves. Just one. one little tiny aspect of what we've been talking about today. I have this RVminiclass.com site where you can see what it feels like to actually get non-local information. It's just one
Starting point is 01:27:49 component of everything we've been talking about today, but it's just the part that people can experience on their own, in their own home or wherever they are. So my blog is new crystalmine.com. I started that a good long time ago. We're coming up on 16, 17 years. of keeping that blog going about all these different sort of topics. I have a YouTube channel where people can just put my name in and you can find my YouTube channel and where I just discuss these topics. And I have a Patreon page, Dark Matter Mysteries, where I'll post special things for viewers and members and stuff.
Starting point is 01:28:29 So those are a couple different ways that you can stay in contact. and we can communicate. And the goal here is just to increase the amount of information we have that we're sharing with each other. And I think together we're all going to figure this out. Just the weight of the evidence, the fact that we can all share it so freely is really encouraging. 100%. Dr. Simeon, Hein, thank you so much for coming on the show. We'll have to definitely keep in touch.
Starting point is 01:28:55 Hopefully our paths will cross again sometime in the future. But thanks again for coming on. Thanks, Jeremiah. Talk soon. Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group of listeners. If you're in the military, any branch, or forces, and if you've seen something that no one can explain, or if you're a national park ranger or forestry worker who's been told to stay quiet, if you're a pilot who's seen something strange down on the ground,
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