Bigfoot Society - Dragged From His Car by Sasquatch | Washington

Episode Date: August 29, 2025

What happens when a pastor from Oregon spends decades chasing Sasquatch through the Blue Mountains, Highway 12, and beyond — and keeps running into the unexplained?In this gripping episode of Bigfoot Society, we sit down with Kevin, a lifelong Bigfoot researcher whose journey began as a child in Puyallup, Washington, listening to “samurai chatter” with his father. Kevin’s story spans the infamous Puyallup Screams, late-night encounters near Packwood, gifting exchanges at Deduct Springs, and even the moment a patrolman accidentally urinated on a Sasquatch — only to be met with a roar that shook the night.From flipping logs in search of beetles, to roadside stand-offs on Highway 12, to deep mysteries in the Indian Heaven Wilderness, Kevin shares accounts that will leave you questioning what walks our forests after dark. More than just tales of terror, this episode reveals how the search for Bigfoot has shaped a lifetime of faith, research, and family connection.If you’ve ever wondered what it feels like when the woods wake up around you — this is the episode you can’t miss.🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to [e-mail] – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Patreon – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn MoreLMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNTOrganic and non-GMO groceries delivered for lesshttp://thrv.me/uarEhS🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072📧 Business Inquiries:[e-mail]

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See Lowe's.com for details. Visit your nearby Lowe's on West Pico Boulevard in Los Angeles. You're listening to Bigfoot Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron. Tonight's account is from a man who grew up with Bigfoot in his backyard and never stopped chasing the mystery from screams in the night to broken branches deep in the blue mountains to a roadside in cow. outside Packwood that left a family speechless. These are the accounts that Kevin is sharing that span decades. But somewhere in the middle of all these years, something happened that changed how Kevin looked at Sasquatch forever,

and maybe it'll change you as well. This is one episode you won't want to miss, so stay with us. All right, Bigfoot Society. We've got the privilege of talking to Kevin. Kevin's, I guess I can say Kevin is a friend, An individual that I met at the Sasquatch Summer Fest festival in Oak Ridge, Oregon, I came over to the table and we started chatting and he knows his stuff in multiple different ways. He's a lifelong Bigfoot researcher and also a pastor from Oregon.

So really connected well, but welcome to the show, Kevin. How are you doing today? I'm doing great. Fantastic. Looking forward to this. Absolutely. I'm looking at the map that you gave me right now. I'm going to get it all up on the wall looking good.

Had to send it in the mail from sisters. And I was like, man, I hope this gets through. And it got through with no issues. So we are good there. But, you know, Kevin, we've got a lot of ground to cover today. You have really been in it for a long time. And so I'm going to say, let's start with this. You know, what was it that first got you into the Bigfoot

into Bigfoot at a very young age. Yeah, that's a good place to start. I believe it would have been about 1967, 68, right in there. And he had moved up from California. My dad was an optometrist. And we bought a place out on South Hill Puyallup. And at that time, it was, there were a huge set of power lines that ran by, evergreen forest, but there really wasn't anything up there. It was just woods. And I can remember

the trees lining meridian, which is the main drag that runs through Puaup and up over South Hill and all the way out to the mountains. And it was just trees and big trees, lots of trees, everywhere. And there were no housing developments. It was just this one housing development. And then there was another one to the west of us too but it was just uncut ground uncut area and we lived at the very back of this evergreen forest housing development and dad had bought a three-bedroom two-bath with a garage home and it was right back on the corner and I can remember playing in the woods and I just loved it there I learned how to ride my bicycle I can remember crashing on my bike a couple times and getting pretty beat up. But the cool thing was, my dad came in one night and he opened my

bedroom window all the way and he said, listen to this. And outside, we could hear these, what I call now, there's signal calls and they are signaling one another, figuring out what it was. They were I'm here, where are you at? And don't go wandering off and getting in trouble type. That's what the signal call is. And it was, it's kind of a beacon, almost a almost sounds metallic if you're really close to it. But it's a scream. And it was echoing through the woods and then another one different voice. And he said, those are bigfoot.

That's what my dad told me. And I was probably seven at the time, maybe eight. And it was impressive because he would come in several nights a week. and open my window and sat by my bed, wake me up. And we would listen to chatter, the samurai chatter. That was the first time I ever heard that. And, you know, it was just, it was cool because my dad would read the newspaper every night. And he would pull Bigfoot articles.

This is, this is now the late 60s, early 70s. And he would poll these articles that were common in the newspaper. People would send in their reporting. a reporter would go out and they would write a big article. And so we started keeping a scrapbook together. My dad and I did about the Bigfoot phenomenon. He was also interested in UFOs at the time. And I wasn't at the time.

But I mean, it was still interesting. But for him, he liked the Bigfoot and the UFOs. He didn't ever tie them together. That would come years later where he would start to tie that together. But anyways, so that's how I got my start. And so all the articles, I remember Pierce County Sheriff's deputy. If they're still alive, they're probably listening to this, which is kind of interesting. But he stepped out of his patrol car at the end of a cul-de-sac of a housing development

was starting to go in. And there was still mostly woods in the area. And he got out to relieve himself. and as he was relieving himself, apparently he had actually relieved himself on a Sasquatch that was in the brush right there. And it stood up to its full height and screamed at him. And it was one of those war screams. It's like that scene in Harry and the Henderson where the girl's hair goes flying back.

I can see the guy's hat and everything go flying back. But anyways, he jumps back at his patrol car because this thing is going away from him. And it's continuing to roar and to scream and to make all these, this raucous noise. I think that's a good word. Rackettus noise. And he said, can you record this to the dispatch lady? And she says, yes, I will. And that was the first of many of the Puyallup screams.

Okay. And I still have an old copy of that from the dispatch. And it was a really clear because the animal was really close to him and his patrol car. And so it really came out pretty good. And then it got quieter as it went. And but the Puyallup screams, the Sonoma screams, the Ohio screams, I would say all of those are those signal calling where they're trying to identify where one another are at as they're feeding through the night. Just trying to keep tabs on each other. So Kevin, real quick, man, that is wild.

So is it like an old cassette? that you have that has that on it? No, no, I don't have that. But it's part of, who is it that explain that to me? I think it was Bob Titmus. Oh, wow. Because Bob Titmuth slept under a bunch of equipment out at South Hill Puyallup, and he had the original copy cassette that they had recorded,

but he went out and got his own that were just as good. And I think those are the ones that are on the BFRO website, still, the Pew Olive Screams. They sound like coyotes going off. Right. And I think that was Bob Titmus' recordings. I'm pretty sure. I mean, Bob's not around anymore to ask him,

were those your recordings? Because I can't quite remember, but it seemed to me like his were the ones that they used on the BFRO website. Okay. I think I remember us talking about this at the festival, how you used to hang out with Bob Titmus. And I was just like, this is absolutely crazy. So this is like mid-70s that you're hanging out with Bob Titmus?

Oh, no, no, no. This would come years later. Oh, okay. Yeah, he was just living for me because I'd set in his kitchen and he would tell me stories about the past. And anyways, he was talking about the Puyallup and how that was one of his best because he was able to get really good recordings of these vocalizations. And the Sasquatch would do a sounding, and as they would do a sounding, the coyotes would just erupt. They would just start hooting and hollering and yipping.

The coyotes would. And then the Sasquatch would scream again, a sounding scream, and they'd all silence right down. There'll be all of this stuff. And I'm going, wow, I never even thought of that. That's incredible. The Sasquatch, and yeah, and then later, he had mentioned to me that, Why do you think that the coyotes follow the elk? And I went, I don't know, I never thought of it.

He said, well, the elk stir up the mice and the coyotes are scooping up the mice as they're following the elk. And I went, whoa, would that be the same thing with Sasquatch? And he says, bingo, you got it. Oh, wow. Isn't that awesome? But, you know, he's a tracker. he was the one that showed Jerry Crewe how to pour the plaster of Paris castings

of that first footprint that went on the AP in 1958 and hit the worldwide AP service and showing him holding this big cast and that's where the title Bigfoot came from because it was on that article. At AP wire, it came out about Jerry Crew and he was the head cat Skinner there. He was the bulldozer

driver clearing that road in Bluff Creek and made that casting after Bob told him how to do it. So he was the local taxidermis. Bob was a taxidermis. Right, right. Yeah. There's not, I mean, you can find some info about Bob, but he never wrote a book or anything. No, he didn't. Yeah, why.

That's why it's so important. He has mentioned in it, but when you can find more info about Bob Titman. It's very, you can get very interesting for sure. So you are in Piala and then your dad is, you know, listen to this. You've got the scrapbook. You guys are, you know, working through stuff. And then so does that set you on just a lifelong, you know, okay, I'm really going to figure out what this is. I'm totally into this Bigfoot thing from there on out?

No, I really don't think so. It was more like I was always fascinated. with the subject and, you know, there would be in search of would come on, and Leonard Nimoy would come on and all the TV stuff. And then you've got the thing down there in Louisiana, the Falk Monster, and all of those things that a lot of the kids in my age, even kids younger, would watch them because they would re-show them. But I remember going to seeing the legend of Boki Creek at the Auburn Theater in Washington.

and that was quite the thing I came out of there really impressed and I still had nightmares since I was growing up of a hand coming in while I was using the bathroom. It scared the whoopey out of me. I don't know if you've ever seen that, Jeremiah. Yeah, I know what you're talking about. It's crazy. It really is. Talk about getting personal.

Yeah, no doubt. So for me, it was. it was something my dad and I did together. I loved it. And then all of a sudden, they're just, I didn't even really think about this, but there just weren't any more newspaper articles coming out. And, you know, I went up through junior high and high school and nothing. I go to college at Central Washington,

on Ellensburg, Washington, and I'm playing football over there. And then I'm also becoming a teacher, studying to be a teacher. My wife and I both were at that time. And my dad calls me on the phone and says, hey, there is a Tacoma News Tribune article today about a guy named Grover Krantz. He's a professor of Washington State University. My dad attended Washington State University.

That was one of his colleges. But anyway, so he was pretty excited because he says, they're talking about dermal ridges. And I said, what are dermal ridges? And he says, well, why don't you go see if you can get a copy? It's today's paper. It's the Tacoma News Tribune. and you should have something there on campus. He said, just go up to the library.

And I say, yeah, I know right where the newspapers are. They have all the newspapers. So I went down to the library that evening and rode my bike down there and went up and talked to the library. And she says, yeah, I've got the copy of the TNT here. I've got several copies of it. You want one? And I said, yeah, I love one. So I did.

I grabbed that original copy. And I went home and I consumed it. And then I read it a second time, read it a third time. And I'm going, wow. Wow, this is cool. There's dermal ridges, there's fingerprints on the footprints. And in that article, he was talking about, Grover Krantz was, they were interviewing him, they was talking about how he had contacted some of his sources that have lots of plaster casts

and had them go through their collection. And when they did, they called me back and said, yeah, there's, there's, there's, a good number of them that have fingerprints on them, because this guy didn't have any clue what they were. And the guy was Bob Titmus. He had the world's largest cast collecting. You know, when he was young, he would go all over the United States, poor cast, teach people how to do that, but he would collect them.

And he even drained one of the ponds. I think it was on Blue Creek Mountain down in the Bluff Creek area. he drained the pond because he saw there were footprints. And when he did, he was able to cast leg and butt prints. So the Skookum cast that was taken in 2000 wasn't the first butt cast that had ever been taken. And then I met another guy who actually, he didn't cast them, but he took lots of pictures and measured and put his AR-15 down next to the butt prints. There were two butt prints in the snow.

and this was in the Blue Mountains really close to the ski area down there called Bluewood. And I was a skier too, so we'd be up skiing on the different... I knew all the different ski areas, and in the summertime, I would walk around some of these ski areas and looking for Sasquatch stuff,

like Stevens Pass, No Kwame Pass. I'd be up at Alpinall, climbing the hills, because I love the highest hike and looking for Sasquatch stuff. I never found anything on those trips, but I've heard lots of great stories of people who go in and they clean those trails during the late summer to get ready for the ski season. And they do bump into them or they actually found tracks and different evidence and so forth.

So that's just fascinating to me coming from that era. I was a ski instructor for a lot of years also. And then I raced up at Crystal Mountain Athletic Club up at Crystal Mountain Washington when I was in high school. But so I was always kind of tied to the ski areas. Well, skiers are right in the middle of Sasquist. country, especially in Washington. A hundred percent. A hundred percent. I mean, you are right, right there, where the action should be happening.

Yeah. But that launched everything. And that article in Tacoma News Tribune started off with Grover Krantz talking about something that happened on Tiger Canyon Road in the Blue Mountains next to a watershed. It was the Wall Wall of Watershed. and that at this place called Bear Saddle, which you don't find it on a mapper, and then you just got to know where it's at, they found a bed, they found 50, 60 tracks, different size, three different individuals, which was amazing to me. Plan B made over-the-counter emergency contraception legal more than 20 years ago.

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And all this information was there. And I can't even remember what day or the week it was, but I made plans. I was taking off. I was cutting class on Friday, and I'm heading to the Blue Mountains. I want to go find this Tiger Canyon Road. And that really launched me into it.

So here I am a college student, you know, football player at the university. I'm running off to look for Sasquatch. Oh, wow. So you went after it. Yeah, yeah, I did. And I went down there by myself, and then my brother was playing football at Walla Walla. He was there on a scholarship, too.

He was a running back. And anyways, he went with me the second time I went up. And we had some pretty amazing experiences up there. We found broken tree branches. This was on the north side. This was up by Stewart's Cabin, they call it. It's up by Lewis Peak, those that are. from the Blue Mountains area.

I ended up spending while I was in college probably about four years really doing in-depth every other week I was down to the Blue Mountains again. My wife would go with me. And after a while, my wife said, I think they know when we're coming. They seem to be all gathered around our camp area and they'll vocalize, they'll leave footprints, they'll leave out gifts. All this stuff was going on in the 80s. I cast quite a few nice footprints from 1987 forward.

But that was in the Blue Mountains, and I did a lot of study back there, a lot of running those trails. And that was when I was young, so I could move really good at that time. So what kind of, we all are getting there. So what kind of gifts were you receiving in that area?

It was interesting because I would walk along past something, like a sawed-off tree. And so you've got a big tree trunk. And in the middle of that tree trunk the next day, there's a rock that's about six by six sitting on it. It's just a round river rock and you're up on the mountaintop. And it's all jagged rocks up to there. There's no river rocks there. They carried that river rock off from down in the south fork of the wall. wall and put it on that stump for me right.

And I had to walk by to go to my camp. And there's nobody else camp there. This was a D-Dex Springs that happened. And I said, Alice, and I think they left that rock for us. And she said, no, they wouldn't do that. And I said, why would they? I didn't know anything about gift you never heard anything about it. And so we would do things like we would make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich and set it on the stump.

And it'd be gone. Well, you know, a bear could have got that or anything. looking around for sign, maybe a raccoon grabbed it. You know, it could have been a raven because they're big enough to fly down and carry off a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. But then if you do that and you have a rock setting there afterwards, that's pretty good indication. There was an exchange.

That makes sense. So you're having stuff happen at Dedek Springs prior to when the Freeman footage was filmed. Yeah. That was usually our camping spot. Oh, wow. for it. And the reason is because the pond was nice. It was great for, I mean, after two days, you get pretty starchy and it's kind of nice to be able to jump into a water that's deep enough that you can actually get cleaned up. So, yeah, we had a lot of activity there. We had a big stump. It was a

cedar log of bullet. And what they do is they take those in and they cut those into shingles or whatever. Anyways, it was by itself. We've been there for years and the dirt had kind of piled up around the sides of it. And the Sasquatch had taken and got his fingers underneath it and flipped the thing over. And then apparently was eating the bugs underneath that's the only thing we could figure.

And it looked like he worked over the log too because there were like beetles and things like that all over. And I'm sure that was just a snack for him. But I had a great footprint. And that would have been June 12, 1987.

And that was a cast of Earl. And I say Earl, I'm not if sure if it was West Summerlin or if it was Grover Krantz and Greg May that had named him Earl for sure. But it was the only time I ever saw his footprint. And I never cast it again just that one time. And it was, it's a very strange foot. His, you know, a lot of people think that Sasquatch footprints are like ours. All the toes are together. But the majority of prints that you find there's going to be a lot of movement in the toes

and a lot of spreading. Their feet are wild. They're not contained in a shoe. And so they don't become what would you say confined and our feet when we walk we can see the peas of the pod going across that are all nice and neat and they look like a

human track. Well you do get those with a Sasquatch. But their toes, I mean they can pick up pencils and throw them at you with their feet. they wanted to. They're very, they can do a lot more than we can because they've never had that restriction of shoes like we have. But yeah. So anyways, when I found that, I cast that immediately West Summerland. Swede recognized it. Sweet Summerland. Grover, I showed him and he said, oh yeah, and then he pulls out a drawer full of about five or six casts that were the same one. and the track that I have is 18 inches long. It's fairly good size, and it's a narrow foot. And typically a narrow foot accompanies a female Sasquatch, and that the males are a lot wider in the feet.

But this Earl guy, he has a real narrow foot or had a really narrow foot, at least in 1987 he did. And then later, up above D-D, and if you look on a Google Maps or topographical map, USGS topographical, map, you can see just above where the junction of Skyline Road and Tiger Canyon Road come together. And it is literally not even a quarter mile from D-Duck Springs. You're really kind of in that area where several, you have the Walla Walla Watershed, which is part of the drainage into that watershed, starts right there at that junction of

Skyline Road and Tiger Canyon, but also the south fork of the Walla-Wallah. and also all the things that flow off to the east there go down into the Milk Creek Canyon, which run into the Wenaha or the Wanaha River, depending on who you're talking to. So they pronounce it different over there. The Wanaha or the Wenaha. And I never did get a salt which one it was. Dance Orchard would call it something else, and then Swede would call it something. I'm going, you guys are the locals and you don't even call it the same thing.

That's really funny. Did you have any sightings during those college years prior to the 90s? No, actually, the only time I could actually say I had a siding was when we were at Lake Placet Trailhead, which is in the Indian Heaven Wilderness above Skookum Meadows. And it was early in the morning. It was not light, but it was getting light. You could tell the sky was starting to change. It's kind of that tweener. And something went busting through the woods.

It was right by our camp. And I'm using the bathroom and I'm walking back to the tent. As I'm walking back, there's this loud noise. And the first thing you think of is elk. But when you look at what's moving through the brush, you can't see it's still too dark, but it's upright. And I'm going, well, that's not a human, and that was much bigger than a human anyway. And so I think at that point, I could say that I actually had a sighting. And just like in the Blue Mountains, when we would go down to the Indian Heaven wilderness

and we would camp at the Lake Placid Trailhead, we would have gift exchange. They would vocalize. We learned a ton there. And that was my favorite camp when we were in the Skooka Meadow area. And we had a lot of activity happen there over the years. What happened is I was a school teacher and football would start typically around the 10th of August, you know, the 8th, the 10th, the 6th, somewhere in there. So that last week in July, beginning of the first week in August, we would go up 10 days, 14 days,

the kids, because they would be in football when they got into high school, but we would go up there and we would camp during that time and pick wild huckleberries. And we'd look for Sasquatch stuff and call blast, and I'd get out the big call blast. lasting speakers from the BFRO because I was part of the BFRO then. And my kids grew up thinking that you didn't just go camping somewhere. You went looking for Bigfoot. Doesn't everybody do that? No, it was just the Lindley family.

That's incredible. And I can cut the name out too if we need to. I'm just reminding myself during editing. Yeah. Yeah. You don't need to. That's okay. Oh, okay.

Because it's a trailhead that is really popular, and the lake is beautiful. It's just a small lake. I don't think it's deeper than 12 feet at the deepest point, but it's warm water. Great for swimming. And it was only about, I'm thinking it was a half mile. I've been three quarters of a mile to the lake and then back out again, and it's pretty flat. And you're in all this big old-grown timber. It's just beautiful in there.

And so, yeah, it's a great place. And it's such a hotbed that whole Skookham, the whole area, that Skookum Meadows area, that that drains that comes into the Lewis River. That is in Washington State. It's just a phenomenal place. So the Blue Mountains was a major research area from you, especially during college. But we would go back often. And that was where I met Paul Freeman, too, and spent quite a bit of time with him.

The whole time that I knew, Paul, he was pretty much crippled. He couldn't get out and do what he used to do. And so I was the young kid. And he would say, now if you go right down there in the South Fork, he says, when you get down there, I want you to get right in the bottom. There's a grassy area down. And then there's hugely footprints right along the South Fork. So go down and check that out for me.

So I was the one with the mini backpack, threw it on it down over the hill I went. But that was when I was younger. Paul would set to wait for me. Oh, my goodness. That is so wild. So that's probably, it was that late 90s? Um, no, that would have been 80. See, I was at Central. I graduated in 88 and I started in 85 at Central Washington University. So I got my teaching degree and then started coaching football and track. And teaching history, I was teaching history at first. And later, they switched me over to doing shops. So I did wood shop, metal shop, drafting, you know, all that stuff. So, um, I, um, I love teaching. Teaching was my thing. I did that for 15 years. And I've told people before that I

didn't leave teaching because I didn't like it. I love teaching. It was really awesome for me. And those were some of my most productive years with Sasquatch research too because of students. My goodness, I had ears everywhere. You know, you've got, I don't know, 120 kids that are seeing your class every day and you're living in a place like Morton, Washington, where I was teaching. and the Sasquatch activity was just all the time. I mean, it was absolutely phenomenal. Some of the stories that I've got from those years when I was teaching. So Morton kind of became the highway 12 corridor.

Okay. It kind of became a research area later. But when I was in the Blue Mountains, it was when we were in college. And so that would have been from 88 to about 86, I think, 86 to 86 to 88. Yeah, that would be right. because it was December of 88 that I graduated. So did my student teaching. I was done.

So just to make sure that I have this correct. So you were hanging out with Paul Freeman prior to when he recorded the video in 92? Yes. When that was recorded, I knew right where it was. I know that tree. As a matter of fact, the stump that Earl ripped out of the ground to eat the bugs underneath it is laying right in front of that tree. It walks by. That looks like a Christmas tree.

Yeah. That's, it's right below there. After he ripped it out of the ground, that somebody cut it up and used it for firewood right there. There's kind of a cool little campground just right there where the Sasquatch went into the brush and then picked up the baby. I don't know if you've talked about that at all or anything else, but there's definitely a baby there. And nobody knew about that for years. I'm not even sure. Michael Freeman in his book talks about it and then has a picture of it.

and what he shows on his little barcodes in his book, that's a great book. Oh, my goodness, that was so well done. Yeah. And I'm really proud of Michael. Michael was just a little kid, though, when I knew his dad. And usually the first place I would go is I would go over to West Summerlands House because I always knew I had a bed there if I needed a place to stay.

And the next place I'd go is over to Paul's. and when I came into town, I would usually call Paul and he'd come over to Wess's. And so we'd all be there together and we'd spend time. But they were kind of my connection. Later, Vance Orchard would come into the scene, but that would be, you know, a few years later. They would talk about me, but we hadn't met or anything. So that would come later. So you're saying before in the late 80s, there was a time when Paul wasn't able to move around.

He would have you look at certain areas and you would do it. Yes. Okay. At a later time, he was able to record the footage, yeah. Yes. Okay. That was much later. Yeah, he walked around to Kane even then when I was in college back in the late 80s. And he was pretty much stoved up. I mean, he knew right where to go. His map on the wall, Cliff Brackman has now down at his Mountain Hood Museum. But that was his map, and he had that on his wall, took up a whole wall. and I copied Paul. I went and got a bunch of USGS maps of areas that I would be researching like Skooker Meadows, and I put them on my wall.

And I remember when we bought this house here in Roseburg, my wife said, you can't put maps on the wall here. Oh, honey, I love you. Just one, just one wall? No. So anyway. Yeah, I don't know. That's true, though. Yeah, right.

Give me a mobile to file with a map. Okay, so you've got the time when you're hanging out with Freeman, and then after that, then you move up to Morton to become a school teacher where then you have the kids bringing you in these accounts all the time. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. I mean, story after story. You know, I saw where John and Sarah Brown did. on the highway 12 corridor, which was really well done. And I know at least two of those are my research that they pulled from that. And then they were talking to Taylor. What's his first name? Something Taylor.

And I guess he's the biggest BFR. Scott Taylor, thank you. He's the biggest BFROX investigator in Washington. He's done more investigations than anybody. I'd like to meet the guy. but I would like to compare notes more than anything because I got when the Chronicle, which is the newspaper,

it's a local newspaper from Centrelia and Chehalis, did the interview with me. I took my BFRO work because the BFRO, when you put an investigative reporting, you might get one out of ten that actually goes on the website. Plan B made over the,

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characteristics repeat themselves over and over. And if you're doing research on that and you're trying to just, you know, learn more about the actual family group that you're researching, you lose a lot of that because history, they just keep repeating it just like we do. We have family traditions and so do they. And so they have patterns that you can see in areas that are unique to that group, even though they're the same with groups all across the United States. probably around the world that are very similar.

In a family group, they all have little nuances. Some family groups hate humans and don't want anything to do with them. Other ones think it's fun to play games and, you know, doing pranks on you. Others like the gift. They all have different things. Some of them like to sing. Apparently the ones that are down by John and Sarah Browns, I've listened to some of their recordings that they've gotten. and that fascinates me because I've never been around singing Sasquatches.

If I did, it would have been when I was a little boy on South Hill Puala because they had stuff that sounds like John and Sarah's where it's almost like there's a female singing. And I don't know, I think the males probably sing too, but I was just really fascinating listening to John and Sarah talking about the singing that they were recording and then listening to it. I'm going, you know, that might have been out there in South Hill Pueaul.

We may have had that singing going on too. But each family group, the point is, each family group is so unique to itself. And generations pass, and they're still doing the same type of things. Then there's another thing that happens, if you've got a research group and it seems to be really open, and all of a sudden, everything closes down and stops.

Typically what's happened is whoever the lead female, the dominant male is, they passed away and now the policy changes. And usually it'll be the policy changes whether it's going to interact with humans or not. And for the most part, they really are scared of us because we do stupid stuff. We get scared and then we shoot. And we worry about asking questions later. We just shoot.

But that's the bad thing for them. And so a whole tribe, a whole family group of Sasquot, can turn on you. And all of a sudden, your research area is really worthless because they're not going to interact with you anymore because someone's passed away in the family and they don't approve of that anymore. So it's kind of like our families, not much different. Yeah. I'm going to hold off on that question for later. So then, so you have this time where you're a teacher, you're getting reports. Did you get any reports out of Packwood? Yes. Yes. Yeah. Really good, really good reports out of Packwood. That's kind of an interesting area because there's multiple rivers that come together

in the Packwood area, especially upstream from Packwood. But man, I've got some that are just astounding. Let me give you just a real quick example. There are two teachers from the, I believe, the South Kitsap school district. One of them taught the high school, and I think it was the husband. He was like a football coach like I was, and his wife was a middle school teacher.

And so they have a cabin. Their family has a cabin over the other side of White Pass. What's the big lake over there? Before you get to Yakima, of course, it's, I can't think of the name of the lake. It's a great big lake there. Anyways, there's cabins and stuff, and they have a cabin there.

So they were on their way to this cabin. They had two kids, and each of their kids had a friend with them. So there were four kids in the car. It was a minivan. And as they got out of Packwood, they were talking. They were getting excited because they know they're going to go for a white pass. It had just gotten dark. The sun had just gone down.

And as they're going up the road, there was a Sasquatch standing by right along the side of the road. And it was about eight feet tall. all black. The headlights hit it, lit it up, and they went by it without even slowing down, and the whole car just went silent when they saw that they were all talking and they were excited about going to the cabin and they're going to be a white pass pretty soon, and it's getting dark, and it's just the electricity in the car was phenomenal, but they all went silent when they saw this thing standing by the side of the road, lit up by the headlights, and they went by it about 10 feet away from it, you know, going 55 miles an hour.

And immediately they got maybe 50 yards down the road. They'd got to a stop and they flipped around. But as they did that, another car went past them going the opposite direction. And they looked in the head in, and its brake lights came on. And it slowed down. They flipped around, got him behind the other car, and started going back to see if they could see it again. And they were all looking now on the left side instead of the right side.

But it had crossed the road and it was on the right side now. And the wife said, I was in a passenger seat. And if my window was rolled down, it was walking so close to the line on the side of the road that I could have reached out and slapped its leg as we went by. And when they went by, the kids all said they could see the hair part, The long hair part is they went by from the car. And it was only going about 30 miles an hour at that point.

He was going slow. But that's how close it was to the road. And they all saw it, all four kids and the two adults. And these are two school teachers. And I won't mention names. Right, right. That's incredible. I mean, I've also heard, there was an interview on the show where a very similar,

where gentleman was just driving through this packwood area and um yeah there was one right there right on the side of the road just so crazy dude my goodness yeah yeah there's there's a place up there called palisades and it's where the rock formations it's really cool geological place but the rock formations go up along this cliff this huge cliff and someone said that they they did the rock not rocky but Sylvester Stallone's movie First Blood, when he's hanging off those palis, that's the palisades that's right there. That we get above Packwood.

And anyways, that area, there was a guy from Washington State Universe who was coming home from college. It was, you know, December. He's off for school and he's going back, I believe, to Seattle. Maybe he was going to Tom. I know.

He was going somewhere in the Putistown area. And that's where home was. And as he comes around, the corner, this is up by Palisades, he sees a bear squatting in the middle of the road. And it looks really funny

the way it's said. He's never seen a bear look like that before and he's seen lots of bears he said and he's a hunter. Anyways, the thing is he got he slowed down because he wanted to really look at the bear. I mean, it's like 2 o'clock in the morning. There's nobody on the road. There's nobody there. And it's like December.

And the thing stands up on two legs, turns and looks at him, and it's in the headlights. So he's getting a good look at it again. This is right at Palisades, just above Packwood. And he slowed down to almost a stop. And the thing finally turned, took one step and then another step over the guardrail, and went down over the hill where the embankment is going down into that river down below. And he, he, He backed up to the spot where it was because he thought he saw something and he looked and it had peed in the middle of the road and the pee was running down the road towards the side, you know, because the road slopes on those high speed corners and stuff. There's a slope to it and the pee is running down in streams like a little river. And it was like a confirmation.

I did just see that. I did. and he thought it was funny that it was squatting. He was always wondering if it was a female, but there was no indication it was a female. It didn't look like it had breasts or had any shape to it. When I talked to him, he was talking to him on the phone. And you could tell his voice was quavering.

The fear was coming back. What he had experienced that night and that almost a terror. And he was in his voice. You could hear it. I said, you sound shook up. And he says, yeah, I'm reliving it. So, yeah, things like that. You watch people's area, you listen to the way they're talking.

And you can hear a heightened sense of urgency all of a sudden is it all comes rushing back to them. And they're remembering that night, insights, the smells, everything that was involved in that. Sometimes they come to tears as you're doing investigative work and talking with people. It's pretty interesting. It can be quite life-changing. It really can be, especially when you're able to talk to that person face to face, and they're right in front of you, it can get very intense very quickly.

I remember that from my first year at Oak Ridge. So then, after that, is that when you start getting involved with the BFRO then after that period? Yeah, it was, boy, there was a lot that happened. When I got in with the BFRO, that was like I say, it's a mini chapter, the big chapter. But it was, at that time, I'd been involved with just a lot of people and not really an organization. I didn't want to necessarily be attached to anything.

I had a guy who was a weatherman up in Seattle, and his name was Vito Caronta. I don't know what happened to him. I tried to find him, but I can't find him. He had a buddy named Steve Hack who saw Sasquatch over in the Pottholes Reservoir in Washington out in the middle of the desert walking along the ridge line as he was fishing as he was croppy fishing out on potholes reservoir and he was with several people so all three of them saw it and you know you could see they had shorter legs long body long arms down to the knees walking

along this ridge um it walked like a human but it didn't walk like a human and um at that point um he got involved in this his name was steve hack and so vito and steve kind of joined me and they kind of kept me tied in because at that time I was involved with school at the university and so we at that point we went more universal. I mean we would go down and we investigate stuff down by Mount Hood. We'd be up by Stevens Pass. We'd go up to the Mount Baker area. There was just other places that I took them because I was aware of what had happened up at scenic multiple times with my cousin, who lived up there with her family and raised four kids up there at Scenic. Her husband worked on the, what was it, the Pacific, the Great Northern Railway. Anyways,

the big tunnel that goes through Stevens Pass, goes underneath the rocks and pops out the other side and the ski resorts up on top. Anyways, they lived right there at Scenic and they had Sasquatch stuff happened all the time to them. So I took them up there. I took, Steve and Vito up there and showed him this area. Well, after that, they would make return trips up there. And just shortly after that, there was a guy that was camped out in his, I think it was a station wagon. And he had the tailgate of the station wagon down, the old station wagons. And he had his sleeping bag.

And he was sleeping back there. And he had his feet out towards the out. And then his head was inside case it rained. You know, if your feet get wet, no big deal. But he's sleeping in his car. and a Sasquatch grabbed him by the feet in his sleeping bag and rip him out of the station wagon and drug him across the dirt of this camp area he pulled into and then left him there and just started jabbering.

He's doing that samurai chatter as it's walking away. It's like, okay, now you get out of here. Wow, that's really not funny, but it in a way kind of is because I get, I laugh when I get nervous. But my goodness, that's wild. I know. So Vito and Steve, they started perusing up there a lot more without me once I showed him that area. So did you get to talk to that guy? Sorry? No, I didn't. That was just a report that came through. That might have been, you know, that was all pre-BFRO. So I'm not sure how I got that information.

But it was fascinating. I don't think I got it. I think Steve and Vito got it. Okay. Plan B made over-the-counter emergency contraception legal more than 20 years ago. It's a safe, effective backup birth control option that helps prevent pregnancy before it starts by temporarily delaying ovulation. Plan B is the number one OBGYN recommended brand and the only one that you can find at all major retailers in all 50 U.S. states. There's no minimum age requirement and you don't need an ID to buy it. You can order it through DoorDash and other major delivery platforms too. That's freedom to be.

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and let's back out of this patch. It doesn't belong to us. It belongs to this thing. And all the kids would do it, Mom said. And I think that they had some interesting things too. One of my cousins, she's just really fascinated with the whole Sasquatch thing, and she'll call me and talk to me about it every once in a while. And her husband just puts up with her kind of like my wife does me.

She grew up there up in the scenic area by Stevens Pass. Okay. And so she was pretty much. into it like her mom was. But all the brothers and stuff, I don't think they could really care less. And again, I grew up, I was all about Bigfoot. My dad was too. And so we'd sit there and listen to Judy tell all the stories about what had happened

and other things too, like running a bear off her porch and electrifying your garbage can to get the bear to leave it alone. That worked. Anyways, just living out in the mountains. I mean, if you're living at, you know, 3,000, 35,000. 500 feet elevation and you've got a railroad going by all the time and Sasquatches around. You're not to mention bears. It's pretty interesting for stories, just regular life stories. I learned that after I left Oak Ridge and started driving around how high the Cascades really are.

You're not up in them when you're in Oak Ridge. But when you start crossing the Cascades, it's a whole different ballgame. game. Yeah. The passes 4,500 feet and 5,000 feet. Some of them I know

it's close to 6,000 down by Diamond Lake and Crater Lake. And it doesn't look like that. And now that's kind of where

I have focused my attention. We had, I got to reconnect again with Jeff Meldrum and at the Glyde Sasquatch

Festival. And I had been, let's see, this is my fourth year. attended that. I was there for the very first one. I was the only one that got there. And I had plaster cast. I had Sasquot stuff. And it wasn't really about Sasquots. They were just using that to raise money for the fire victims and the people there. So they continued to do that. That's where the

money goes. But I was the only one there. And so I come in with my six suitcases of casts. Because before this, I used to go, I don't even know how it started. But I started doing universities, and it started out, I lectured in front of the whole anthropology department over at Eastern Washington University. But Central, I started, maybe it was at Central, right where I was going to school. Because I know I did several of them there where I would do the, you know, the halls. They would have a hall and then they would advertise me. I would say that's the only thing. I don't want any pay.

I'm not doing this for money, but I am doing this for reports. and I would like to get as many reports as I can while I'm here. So I want you to advertise. And I want you to take out an advertisement and be running that advertisement for at least a month before I give my presentation. I want people coming in from outside and they were always standing room only. I mean, it was just packed. And people would come in because people have seen these things. And just looking at the advertisement, they would think, you know, maybe this is where I can get this off my chest.

and they would come in and they were, it's almost like a confession. I was already acting like a pastor. But yeah. And so they would come in and I'd get all these reports. And that was really good with Vito and Steve because they could follow up a lot more effectively than I could.

They had more time, free time that they could do that. But with three of us going at it, you know, Steve would take one and I would take one and Vito would take one. And then we go and we talk to them, call them on the phone, get information, go out and meet him at the spot. And so there was always something going on.

We were pretty active at that time. This was all before the BFRO. Then I'm trying to remember when Russ or when Ray Crow's Bigfoot conference in Hillsborough was, he probably had several of them there. I only went to one. But that was where I met Bob Titl. And at that meeting, Rick Knoll and Tom Powell and Jeff Lemley, would recommend me to Matt Moneymaker

to become an investigator with the BFROs. So I'm thinking it was 99 that that took place. But as they were cleaning up and people were picking up chairs and picking up tables, I sat right there at Ron Moorhead's booth. And he and I talked for two hours. He was a Christian. I'm a Christian.

And we're talking about Jesus Christ, but we're talking about Sasquatch also. and what he felt they were. And at that point, I was very, very strong. This was going to be maybe one of your questions. I was very strong into the Gigantipithecus. I believe this was a biological. Sure.

His hair, leaves, you know, scat. You can hear them. The evidence is obvious that this is a physical being. I still believe that today. This is a physical being we're dealing with. But he was telling me, about, you know, Genesis chapter 6, verse 4, but actually Genesis chapter 6 all the way through about 8. It talks about this inter coupling of fallen angels with human women and producing an

offspring called the Nephilim. And it was kind of interesting. Today I pulled up the passion translation. Just wanted to see what it said about it. And it's interesting because in verse 2 it says, I'm reading right from the passion. Divine beings found them very appealing, talking about the women, the daughters of men. And so they took the women they wanted as their wives. And Yahweh said,

My spirit will not strive with humanity indefinitely for their mortal. And the lifespan shall be shortened to 120 years. Back then and later, there were giants on the earth who were born as a result of this, unholy union of heavenly beings with human daughters. And they were the mighty ones of old, the warriors of renowned. And actually, that's verse four where it talks about that.

And then they talk about how mankind was evil all the time. And so God brought the flood. The point is that that was Ron's position. And he was trying to explain to me and convince me. And then he talked about the Anakin. him and he started going down the list of all these different names that the Nephilim went by afterwards because, you know, Goliath and David, that whole story, that was, he was part of the Anic family and the Anak were part of the Nephilim. They were descendants of Nephalim. And then

there was the Edomites, and they were giants. And the Edomites were actually referred to as hairy beings. And then if you read in the book of Enon, There we go. Right. So the book of Newk has quite a bit of reference to it as well. Also, Arba was the father at Kiria, and he was the greatest amongst the anarchites. And it was said that he was as tall as 18 feet, according to the book of Enoch. 18 feet tall.

That's amazing. I mean, Goliath was like nine feet tall. So to have this Arba of the Anokites being 18 feet tall, that's just scary. Think how big man's hands would have been. But anyway, so that's the biblical account. And Ron was really trying to convince me that's what it was. And I just, I left there, just shaking my head saying he's deceived. It's definitely a gigantic antipithecus.

It's, you know, it's a big ape and out there in the woods. and I have since changed my mind. I came to the realization when, because one of the things that he had talked about was that the day is going to come with this DNA. He said, that's where it's going to be. It's going to be in this DNA. And when they discover this,

they're going to find out that they've got a hybrid that's part human and part fallen angel. And they don't say that. They say that the nuclear DNA is actually they don't know what it is. It's higher than anything they've ever seen. There's nothing on earth that compares to it. It is totally unique. But the mitochondrial DNA that comes from the female is 100% human. So now what Ron had told me was not only true, but it's being repeated scientifically, which is important for the scientific method. You have to have a hypothesis. Then your hypothesis has to be able to be tested. it again and again.

And you should be able to repeat the test. It shouldn't be a one-time thing. And that's what they're finding is the more DNA samples that have been tested, you know, by the Olympic Project and those guys over there, Derek Randalls and his group, then Melva Ketchum and there's other geneticists that have been involved in that. Had an interesting discussion, I probably shouldn't with the geneticist. I'll just say that. and his comments were about Melba that she created a lot of enemies and that she never had before.

Before that, she was a renowned geneticist, but then when she started to get involved in the Bigfoot stuff, it turned on her. But the problem was she didn't even know she was getting involved with the Bigfoot stuff. They kind of tricked her into that. But hers came back being it was 100% mitochondrial human and that the nuclear DNA was from something they've never seen before. It's off the charts. And the sequencing that they did in the DNA sequencing was astounding. When I talk about getting in with the BFRO, that was good because it got me organized.

That was where I really started taking what Steve and Vito and I had put together and doing our reports. And they did it cleaner and better. The only problem I had with it is my reports, the majority of, went into the flats for Lewis County and King County and Pierce County and these counties that I grew up in and South Hill Pua up I mean I continued to have my fingers dabbled down there too or up there I should say but I lived in Mossie Rock for 14 years and I taught school in Morton and we had lots of Sasquatch activity happening around there all the time so when the Browns came out with John and Sarah Brown came out with their Highway 12 thing.

I was so excited because I knew exactly some of the places where they were talking about. One of the couples that lived in a trailer, I know right where that junction is, I parked my car there and then walked up the road where there's a gate. And I shot a really nice three-by-three mule deer. Or not mule deer, it was a blacktail right up that road. But I've hunted in that area. I know it. I know where the duck ponds are there in Morton.

There's a little pond right up by the turnoff where you go up to the backside of Peterman Hill. And that's, there's a pond down in there. It's had all kinds of Sasquatch activity because they'll, they plant trout in there. So people will get in, go down, fish around this pond, excuse me. And it's probably about, I'm wanting to say it might be two or three acres. of water. Plan B made over-the-counter emergency contraception legal more than 20 years ago. It's a safe, effective backup birth control option that helps prevent pregnancy before it starts

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And so it's always good after they plant it. But people have been run out of there by Sasquatch. And, you know, it's like getting into the evening or it's first thing in the morning. And they end up not fishing there because something didn't want them. They're throwing rocks at them and sticks at them and screaming at them.

And, you know, the roaring scream, that roaring scream that they give off, Oh my gosh. It's crazy. Oh, it just, it floors you. It does, yeah. I've heard it. It's cheaping yourself.

Yeah, yeah. I have, yeah. Yep, I almost passed out. It's like a dinosaur. I've heard people describe it that one. Well, yeah, it's a pretty good description. It's like a dinosaur. And, wow, yeah.

So anyways, they would run them out of that little pond right there on Peterman Hill and people that are from the Morton, Mossy Rock area. There's something I want to backtrack a little bit to just to clarify. So when we were talking about the DNA studies and so the results of the Ketchum study, are you also saying that other people got that same result as well from their studies or that was just from? No, that's developing now. That's going on now. And that's what I found out.

Oh, my goodness. Really? That's, yeah. There's more going on. on. I mean, there's people who are afraid to go where others have gone before them. It could be ostracized and run out of the community of the geneticist. There's no way this is public. Like, this can't be public. This would be way bigger, right? Oh, it's huge. It basically seals the deal. The Sasquatch is real. It's over if they would just accept the results. And that's,

one of the thing is if people who are like double checking what melba did and they're running their own testing and running their own sequencing um they're finding the same thing and then there's been other labs that have found the same thing and they're going well our sample was spoiled it had human DNA in it well yeah they don't they haven't studied melba work because the mitochondrial DNA is 100% human the nuclear DNA is something we don't know what it is Is this just... But they're saying it's spoiled because human interaction has caused that sample to be spoiled. Right. It's human tissue that they're registering. Well, that's what they should register. So is this just stuff you've heard or you've actually read this somewhere? Who the other people are getting these same results?

You know, I've gotten it from multiple sources. Okay. I think that the biggest one is... is, oh, the guy that just passed away of cancer. Steve talks about him all the time to Carpenter, Scott Carpenter. Oh, yeah, right. Who just passed away. And he's, he, you can actually get his stuff still.

His son is still running his websting. Yeah, he's great. And he's great. And he looks like him. My goodness, sounds like it, too. You tell that's a son. But anyways, he really broke it down. the best I've ever heard it to understand it. I've also heard Todd Standing talk about it. I've

heard other people, including I talked to Jeff Mildrum about it in pretty good detail. We had our booth right next to each other two years ago up at Glyde. And so I was asking him a lot of questions about that because he does genetic sequencing as well. He's he's very aware of how that all works. And he said that a lot of it was because she was self-publishing. People are using herself publishing as a reason. See, they never complained about herself publishing before. It was only after the Sasquatch samples came out. Now all of a sudden that's illegal.

You can't do that. You've got to have other people publish for you. And you can't do it yourself. But she's been doing it for years and it was always accepted. And so, you know, she is, was a well-known geneticist. And she basically has been thrown under the table, thrown under the bus, whatever you want to call it,

because of her stance on this. And so, yeah, it's too bad, but at the same time, it's going to come out. And there'll be more people, there'll be more studies. But part of the problem, and I really feel this is true, this might answer another question you probably have, I really feel it's economic more than anything. The reason the Sasquatch has not been declared a species.

Okay. And the government's hiding it because it would destroy vast portions of economies around the United States and in Canada. The logging industry, the mining industry. Oh, sure. There would be, they would shut down the forest because of it. And the last thing they need is more hindrance of the, the government trying to protect, you know, a spotted owl or a little darter fish.

And now you put the Sasquatch in there, something that may even be part human, a hybrid. And I just see the government wanting to cover it all up, not talk about it. Yeah, there's nothing to see here. Just keep walking. But yet there's tons to see. And the evidence is so overwhelming. But at the same time, you know, it was. would just, it would just tear our economy apart.

And whole towns and would have to close up because, you know, rely on the logging industry or the mining industry or whatever it happens to be. And the Pacific Northwest is riddled with resources, amazing resources that we have accessible. But once the Bigfoot is cataloged as a, as a creature that's real, the protection for them will be the next step. and then that's where the economy gets destroyed. You can't let that out. When you were in the BFRO, is there an event that you were involved with that really sticks out that you're like,

I can't believe that I was involved with that event in history? Yeah, I think that my family and I do in our annual late July going into August Huckleberry and Sasquatching, one of the year after it would have been i think it was 2020 to 2001 we were there and they did that was when they had started the filming on uh Sasquatch science meets legend and um i was involved with the whole crew there and behind the scene my kids they'd be in the truck with me and they'd fall asleep because it's like two o'clock in the morning and we're call blasting and doing

night walks. And they're sleeping in the truck. But they lived through all of that. But yeah, that was it was the year after the skukum cast, which they poured that skookum cast in 2000. And so the site, we were right on site and filming.

I was in the background. I was part of that. We had a balloon, a large balloon that was tethered at one of the camps and that we could raise it way up with, you know, with infrared and night vision stuff on it so they could, and they would pan the area. But the Sasquatch seemed to know what we were doing and they stayed out of reach. However, we had lots of whoops during that time when we were filming that. We had tons of people coming up and giving us stories after story.

Campers were coming up there. And you know where we were camped and where they set up their camp, I was actually over at the Lake Placid trailhead, my family and I. We would just come over and join them during the day and then the night. I would go join him and the rest of the camp. Most of my family would be sleeping except maybe one or two boys. I want to go too, Dad. And of course, they'd fall asleep in the back of my pickup truck. But that was fine.

But anyways, during that time, that area is called the Crazy Hills. You got Skook of Meadows right there. And then you've got the crazy hills just below it. It's actually above it. And that's where we were lifting that balloon up. And it was interesting, the first time I drove in there with the BFRO, and this was before we, this would have been, the snow was just coming off those high hills around crazy hills.

And we couldn't get all the way in, but we got most of the way in. At least we made it to the creek. There were scook of meadows drains out of the meadow itself. and that's as far as we could get with the snow still. But the first time I went in there, here's this camp, this beautiful, expensive dome tent. And there was all this camping equipment that was just strong all over in this camp area. And someone left all their stuff, never came back for it, which is a story you hear a lot.

And it was in the crazy hills. And those campers were gone. and left all that expensive equipment. It looked to me like it was new. And then over the next couple of years, it all kind of stayed there, and the grass grew up around it. And, you know, the tent that was brand new when I first saw it,

it was faded. And things were getting torn. The animals, I guess, were chewing on it and so forth. But all this equipment was left behind. They're in the crazy hills. Something ran them out. And it was obvious they never came back for it. That was right where we were doing all.

that stuff for Sasquatch Science Meets Legend. Wow. And that was when I got to meet a lot of people. When I joined the BFRO, I got, I got to spend time with Derek Randalls up on the mountain camping, and Jeff Lemley, Tom Powell,

these guys were kind of the bigfoot people. Rick Knoll, man, he was awesome, and I learned a ton from him. The other one was Dr. Leroy Fish out of Oregon State University. And he was really, into the Sasquatch stuff too.

And so enjoyed that. Meeting Doug Highcheck, Autumn Williams, that was all part of that BFRO thing that we were doing at the time. I found two beds. One I didn't find, I didn't find any of them. I had people point them out to me saying, hey, you need to go up here.

There's a bed there. And so I would go check them out. Sure enough, there was a bed. When one of my football players found a bed up above Mossy Rock, overlooking Mossy Rock. He went in the backside by Morton. But now you can go in the front side because they've opened, they've opened the gate that used to be locked.

But there was a huge bed. I was, I was astounded. And one of my football player told me about this, he didn't give me much detail. He just said, hey, we were up scouting for deer, and we found a bed. And this is how you get in there. And he drew a quick map for me, handed me the paper, and left. I didn't know much more. So when I followed his directions and went,

right to the spot. It's this giant cliff, probably a 120 foot drop, rock face. And up in the woods above it, it's on a steep hillside. And there are trees that are, oh, they weren't reprod. These were some good-sized trees. They were probably, you know, 24 inches, 18 inches through. And they had woven a bed on this steep hillside making that spot level. And it was, you know, probably 12 by 8 feet that they had made this thing. People asked me, was their hair in it? I looked at it really close, and I couldn't find any hair. To me, it looked like they had made it and hadn't slept in it yet.

In other words, they got caught making the bed. And when I saw this thing, I'm going, whoa, I didn't have a camera. We didn't have phones that looked like that then. and I went back and got my camera. We went back up the next day and it was gone. There were remains of it. You could seem way below 120 feet down. There was a pile of sticks and brush and fur bows.

Yeah, they had pushed it off. They had to first of all unweave it from the trees that were there and then push it all off. They probably did it really fast because there's some big, you know, it's not that big of a deal for them. But for me, it would have taken me probably an hour or two to get that thing chewed up. And I would have wanted a buck saw and a couple things because they were really locked together. It was woven. And, yeah, that was, I was in the BFRO at that time, too. And so, yeah, that bed.

And then the other one that I saw was the one that was at bare. This is back in the Blue Mountains again, right? And it was in the watershed. You're not supposed to be in the watershed. It was right at the top of the hill. And so it was the high point, right, where the intake trail is where they rode the horses to make sure people weren't going in and out of the watershed. And just down on the tree line below the ridgetop was this well-constructed bed. There were pieces of it still that were constructed.

The rest of it had been taken apart. And they did find hair in that. And Grover Krantz and his team with Greg May and the rest of them took most of the stuff back to the university, back to Washington State. university for their study but i never did hear what the results of that were it just that the bed was that it was a bet and that it was legitimate but i can see how they constructed when i saw the other one in washington um up above morton and mossy rock um it was the same kind of structure it was they had done the same thing they were weaving this thing together and um it was it was interesting because it would take hands to do that you would have to have the dexterity of a hand

to be able to form that kind of a structure. It's interesting. But, yeah, a nest. That's just wild. It's wild how in this subject, history kind of repeats, and people forget stuff that has happened before. And then, oh, look what these guys found. Well, it's kind of been found before and that sort of whole. Yeah.

It's very, very interesting. It's worth it to read those guys. Yeah. Yeah, but it's there. Yeah. It's been going on for years. So I want to get back to the nephalum thing for a minute. Yeah.

So I'm going to go down the road with you for a bit. Okay. So how does it – so let's say if these are nephalum, and so we're saying nephalum are not good. They are very dangerous, correct? Ooh, now you're getting into something. Okay. Yeah. Well, I haven't even

stop the question yet. So I know. But I know we're getting. So then, go ahead. So it's like, so why then are we going, why are we trying to figure out? It seems like a very dangerous proposition, both to us,

to humans physically and spiritually. Yeah. Yeah, it can be. Okay. I, when I look at, yeah, this, you're dealing in the spirit realm, but you're also dealing in the human realm. And that's the part humans have a hard time with. Plan B made over-the-counter emergency contraception legal more than 20 years ago. It's a safe, effective backup birth control option that helps prevent pregnancy before it starts by temporarily delaying ovulation.

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and that the 99% of the people of more of 50 have the virus that causes the Culebrilla. Although not all the people in risk will be I see the eruption dolorousa with ampollos of the impoes

duros'emannas making that even the tasks more simple are all a real not learn as the Culebrilla to the way difficult.

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but they're both and the Native Americans believe it that way and if you're a Jew the The cultural Jews, the Jews see it as the spirit and the body are not. You can't separate them out. We in the Western world try to separate that out.

But the Sasquatch would never do that. And just like us, now I'm going to say this because I think it's important. It kind of lays that foundation. Ron Moorhead told me back then, and I just read it again in his book, the Quantum Bigfoot. and he makes the comment in there and there it was because I've said this before too and it's that when we fell in the garden when we sinned and we did what God told us not to we believe the devil you know did God really say he questioned what God said and then we disobeyed there had to be a consequence for us to be a sentient being we had to be a sentient being we

had to be able to choose. If we didn't have a true choice, then there couldn't be a real relationship between God and us. But he is the God of relationship. Now, how does that tie over to the Sasquatch, the Bigfoot? I think it ties over perfectly. I think that the human side of them are just like us. We are longing for a relationship with a creator, with a God, who has a who has an end who gives us an identity. But when you have the Nephilim, you have pure rebellion and witchcraft.

And you have, because what witchcraft is, is the controlling, trying to control your environment. And that's, that's where you're not trusting God. You're trusting in a spirit realm that is real. I mean,

I do deliverance ministry. I've seen people set free left and right. We've had all kinds of supernatural. things. I believe it, signs, wonders, miracles, and healings. And I believe that we had the same things that the Sasquatch have today, and we've lost it because of the fall and because of sin. That God intended us to be as the Sasquatch still are in a lot of ways, but to worship him and not to turn from him. So, saying that, someday we're going to have a glorified body and all of those things that we lost, are going to be restored to us.

And I can probably just read for the quote. That might be the best way to do it. It says, the attributes, this is Ron Moorhead. The attributes could entail the ability to work within the quantum level of consciousness. Now, for a lot of our listeners, they're going to have to look up quantum level of consciousness.

Just as humans, in my opinion, opinion were originally designed to do the saskatch in other words ron is saying have an ability in a quantum level of consciousness but ron then goes on to say just as we humans had at one time before we fell into sin oh man oh okay that's huge that's huge because that's why someday we step back into it with the glorified body and now people say well how How can you say that so authoritative? In 2001, I died three times. That's why I left teaching and coaching because God called me into the ministry at that time.

And I've been in the ministry for 22 years now. But he said, you're going to leave teaching and coaching, and you're going to follow me in the ministry. And you're going to do what I do. And you're going to teach people to know me as you know me, Kevin. And so that was my call into the ministry. When I look at the Sasquatch, and I'm seeing. this mix of human and fallen angel, and I'm seeing they have what we once had,

but yet here's the other part, because I almost need to shift because I feel like I'm going down the wrong trail. I believe the human side of them long for the things of God, just like we do. But I believe that the occultic side is also drawing them stronger than we do, and we are really drawn to the occult.

We are really drawn to the spiritual side, but only the spiritual side, not the relationship side. Because the spirit side is not wrong if it's done in a relationship with him. But if it's done outside of him, now it becomes a cultic. It becomes me, myself, and I. And the center is no longer on God. It's on you. And Ron was basically saying, we had all these before and someday we'll have them again. and I agree with him totally

and I'm pretty sure he brought that bomb on me back in 2000 or 1999 whenever a great crow's conference was there in Hillsborough Oregon I'm pretty sure he dropped it on me then and I remember chewing on it because it keeps popping in my mind and I'm thinking that had to been where anyways I was talking to Ron I never got the chance to ask him

do you think we talked about that because that's so many years ago I mean he has 18 years ago that Ron and I talked about that and I pooped most of it. And now I'm right back to that spot. And there's a lot of reasons for that. My death being in heaven, I was there three times. I died three times. They had to resuscitate me, put the paddles on me and restart my heart.

And so I had some interesting encounters in heaven. But I do understand that we, the glorified mind, the glorified spirit, everything glorified and on the heaven's side is so much more than here. The colors, the smells, the experiences, the sensations in heaven is part of the glorified. That's what Adam and Eve lived in. And I believe to some extent the Sasquatch still lived there because they've tried hard to stay away. I also think that there's many different offshoots of the Nephilim. And the Sasquatch is only an offshoot.

They're not the Nethylene. Does that make sense? But I do know there's a great story, and I think I started to talk to you about it, but I'm not sure I might have been talking to somebody else. It's about Glag in North Idaho. Yeah, you had mentioned that, yep. Yeah, and in that, when he's talking, he's talking about how Glag would get really excited when Kevin would read to him in the Gospels and the words of Jesus,

he would start bouncing up and down and jabbed because Gagg could speak English. Kevin had taught him how to speak rudimentary English, but he could speak and he could understand him. But Gagg's language itself, Kevin explained his... Hold on, hold on, hold on. Hey, are you there? Okay, yeah, my... My stuff just went crazy when you started talking about the Gospels.

Yeah, the Bluetooth just went crazy on me. So hold on. I'm going to call you back in like two minutes. Sorry. All right. So my stuff just went crazy. When Kevin started talking about the Gospels, it just, went and shut the phone off or kick the phone off the connection. So we are going to try to get

them back here. Okay. Hey, Kevin. So we're back. We're recording. So we just got just kind of a weird Bluetooth disconnect when you started talking about Gleg and him learning English and hearing the gospels and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. So Kevin would make mention, let's see what happens. Let's experiment with this. Because I've heard this happen before. Yeah. It's crazy. All of a sudden, you'll have them cut out and stuff. Well, it's happening again. Are you listening?

Yeah. Right. Yeah, exactly. Now we're back to the men in black suits. Anyways, he would get really excited. Glag would get excited as Kevin would read the Gospels. And he would take his Bible up and he would read out of the gospels to him.

And that's where he always wanted him to read. was about Jesus. And he would start talking so fast, Kevin would say, slow down, slow down, pronounce your words. Because he would just slur them all together. You know, a whole sentence would just be like one. Anyways, he would just get really excited. And he would talk too fast. And when you were talking about anything, Jesus, he would just get excited.

And it wasn't like an agitation. It was more like, this is cool. This is what I want to talk about. And that was glad. And he was just a young child, Sasquatch. His parents had been apparently shot is what Kevin concluded because over on the Montana side of the border, because he was on the Idaho side where he grew up. But the Sasquatch were known to be quite rough over there. And apparently there was talk that two Sasquatch were killed and buried up in the woods.

And then like the week after, he finds this starving baby Sasquatch. that is just a little guy. You know, he's like three feet tall or something like that. I can't remember the details of how big he was, but he certainly was smaller than Kevin was. Kevin was in junior high at the time. And he was, this was his scouting area for hunting. That's where they shot deer every year.

And they had never seen anything bigfoot-wise until this little glad guy shows up. And it would be a few, I don't think it was months later, when Kevin had met this little Sasquatch that he finally got his name was Glag and that's the whole story I said Dutch is that the name

I think you said it Dutch does his podcast also does that sound right it no I know it's World Bigfoot Central and I'm going to have to edit this so I sound

like I know what I'm talking about Duke Hold on Yeah, that's Duke from World Bigfoot Central Yes, yes He was the one that was doing the interview with Kevin Okay And I don't know if Kevin never put it in a book for him

I wish he would Because there was just so much information I've listened to that twice Kind of like I've listened to the whole Fox story The 50 years with Bigfoot in Tennessee Sure That was fascinating read too And yeah

But anyways you can learn a lot about these that have been habituated over time and they've spent time with them. And I think a lot of the stuff that Kevin talked about with Clag and what he experienced really line up a lot with what the linguist was talking about with Ron Moorhead, the guy who was the specialist

that really took it to the next level. Right. And he's still alive today. He stepped all in. It's Scott Nelson. Yeah. Scott Nelson. Thank you.

Yeah, Scott, Scott, I'd love to meet that man sometime. He just, the way he approaches it, and he can simplify the language. It's easier to understand him than other linguist who, he mastered the linguist aside of it well, and he presents good. So you can understand what he's talking about. And I really appreciate him. But the thing that he brings up is how fast they're talking, that there's a speed. in a cadence that's way above human level. We can't even talk at that speed. The cadence that they use is remarkable.

And it's outside the possibility of us being able to repeat. And that's what Scott Nelson says. And I agree with him. I think that was exactly what he was talking about with Glag, when he would get excited. Kevin would try to slow him down because he couldn't understand the English because he was talking too fast.

And Glag could actually put words together way faster than Kevin could. So he couldn't even understand what he was saying that when he was talking too fast. But Kevin had identified, long before I'd heard about Scott Nelson and the Sierra sounds, had identified that these things, they speak when they're doing their samurai chatter

in a language, a known language to them that apparently is very similar to the Native American languages in America. And, you know, the Chinook jargon was a, language that was spoken here in the Pacific Northwest by the Indians that most of the tribes could understand Chinook jargon, at least part of it. Plan B made over-the-counter emergency contraception legal more than 20 years ago. It's a safe, effective backup birth control option that helps prevent pregnancy before it

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Al-Jegar to get to the 50, I've learned about the family, the importance of the job and that the 99% of the people of more of 50 have the virus that causes the Culebrilla. Although not all the people in risk the development, I see the issue.

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patrocinoed for GSK. And that would give basic rudimentary communication skills to different tribes that weren't part of the same tribe. And here the Sasquatch

seemed to be able to do the same thing. And that comes down that 50 years with Bigfoot. I think it's Janice Carlin. Carter Coy, does that sound right? Yeah, I believe you're right. But, you know, she's done all kinds of research and study herself and on linguist stuff.

And I believe she's a doctor in linguist linguistic stuff. If not, she's a doctor of something. Biology, I'm not really sure now. It's been a while since I've re-listened all the way up to like episode seven and I need to keep going because that's when they get into the Nephilim thing. and what her grandfather thought it was. He thought that they were the Edomites, which is kind of interesting, because they're on my list here, too,

the Edomites as giants. But the Moabites called them Edomites. They were Rephidites and Anakites. They were called Edomites. And he called them Edomites with a D. Right. But that's, yeah. Anyway, so that whole lineage of the giants

has been passed on them. We know about the Afghanistan giants. You know, that's questionable too, but we have the giants that have been found in the footprints in the Lubbock. They say human tracks in the Lubbock, Texas area that are, you know,

petrified into the rock that at one time was just mud along the river break, the Plexi riverbed. And, but those footprints are anywhere from 18 to 22 inches long. Wow. that's wild. Yeah.

I got to look that up. Yeah. Oh, my goodness. Plexi River, and it's, it's, yeah, a Plexi River, the footprints, the human footprints, they call them. And you look at them and you're going, well, they've got narrow heels like a female Sasquatch or a little, they actually have an arch to them, but they're giants. They're huge. And they don't, they don't typically say that, but that's, you, it is in the writing.

You'll see it. It's 18 and then 22 inches. like there were two different individuals. Where they come from? Yeah, exactly. So does this kind of explain then? So there's a pattern from people I've talked to over the years where they have an interaction or they're in an area

where it's very known for Bigfoot and et cetera. And then they start having things happen like they start to hear things or etc, etc. or that could be something completely different. They start to hear like they experienced mind speak or, you know, telepathic type things, yeah. It's almost like the door's been opened. Right.

And now they're receiving stuff. It maybe was there, but they never noticed it before, but now they do. Yeah, I think it's both. I think that they're realizing it for the first time. And I think that there has to be. some doorway that you've got to walk through to be able to embrace that. And oftentimes, the siding is enough to shake you to the point where now you're being sensitive to before. You know, you walk by, and I've talked to fishing game people.

I've talked to police officers. And they say, I've been out in the woods my whole life. And I have never seen anything that would indicate a Sasquatch. Well, there's a psychological response for that. and typically what we do is we don't want to think about it. It's in a terror zone that we don't want to visit because we're not in control anymore. And so we lock down and shut it down. We don't walk through those doors.

And so we're not going to accept it. So if you find a footprint, you may have found a footprint years ago and purposely forgot about it. You may have heard sounds in the middle of the night that you couldn't explain. and then all of a sudden it comes up and maybe a recording is coming over the TV and you're hearing that going, I've heard that before. All of a sudden there's an identification. There was a door opened at one point in your past when you saw the evidence in the woods of these things and you blocked it out. Number one, it wasn't convenient.

Number two, you're no longer in control. Those are scary topics. And I really think there's a psychological end in that and that humans have. a very strong desire to be in control. And when we're not in control, it terrifies us. Yeah, I would agree. It would be, it's kind of a whole funny deal because it's like, so let's say if this is Nephilim, then if there is discovery of Sasquatch ends proved to be real across

the board, then in essence that proves the Bible as well. don't want to do that either right yeah that would be another motivation wouldn't it yeah oh this is so wild okay man what what a what a conversation this has given me a lot to think about um Kevin I thank you so much for for chatting today I mean I feel like you know we we had such a good conversation at the festival just a few months ago as well and I just appreciate you coming on the show and for sure sharing what you've been through, your thoughts on things. It's been a very enjoyable conversation. Good, good, good.

All right, Kevin. We'll talk to you later. Yeah, have a good one. Bye. Bye now. I just want to take a minute to say thank you for listening to this episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast. Kevin's encounters are the kind that stick with you, not just because of the screams or the footprints, because of how deeply they weave into a lifetime of searching.

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