Bigfoot Society - Drawing Bigfoot, Mothman and your favorite Cryptids | Artist | Jonathan Dodd

Episode Date: October 24, 2022

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All right, Bigfoot Society. I've got the privilege of talking to Mr. Jonathan Dodd today. He's the guy that you have probably seen all over social media. I mean, this guy is making crazy stuff. I mean, he's the VAMETER Visitor Festival shirt I had this year, which people love, the swoop a mania shirt dude yes we didn't even have to go back and forth i was like dude i have an idea i i literally tried to do the craziest idea and i was trying to stump you and like you knocked it out of the park dude i was like it's like bigfoot as uh macho man randy savage

and there's like the van meter visitor as the ultimate warrior and it's just like this old school WWF poster, people were digging it, dude. I'm glad. That's awesome. That was one of my favorite projects, and I know we, you contacted me like, it was like eight months or something before you could even say anything about it, like before you could drop it. And I was like, man, how am I going to wait this long to talk about Squacho, man? I know, right? I think the, my second, I mean, I have a lot of different favorites of stuff that you've done. I think the second favorite I have is the cryptids crossing the Delaware is just amazing. That one does very well for me at festivals. As it should.

And that was actually, I would be remiss to not mention that was the brainchild of Sarah Snelligaster. So she approached me about and she was like, we can't do Cryptids Crossing the Delaware? And I was like, That's an awesome idea. So I did it. And then it's just, it kind of exploded at CryptidCon last year. Like, everybody was walking around with it. And I was just like, it made me feel so good. Dude.

So people are like picking up prints and all that stuff. Yeah, yeah. I love it. I love it. I mean, I have a huge version of it. Once I get a studio set up in the future, I mean, it's a canvas. It's going on the wall. so it's going to be great dude i'm pumped you need like a so as people golden frame for it

oh my god yeah my wife was saying that actually she's like you need to have an amazing frame for this not just like the canvas it has to be in a frame um so as people uh probably have already picked up so you uh your name is jonathan dodd you are uh i would say you there you know there's i would say there's many great crypted-themed artists in the community right now, but I would say if someone is thinking of cryptid art, your name is going to come up or it should. And you're making just amazing Bigfoot photos, your, you know, parodies. You're doing all sorts of parody cryptid work. But also you're getting into, you know, your work is starting to get into things like small-town monsters,

documentaries, which I really, really love, that, you know, they're using your artwork to flesh out the stories that they're telling, which is such a cool thing. Yeah, that's been so much fun to do. And they're, the cool thing about small town monsters, too, is they're, like, they're there to be creative. So they'll give me, like, an outline or, um, clip or something like that and say go wild. Wow.

So I like very little like, you know, well, there's definitely direction, but they let me kind of, you know, use my creativity to bring it to life. And I think that having worked with some more like stringent types as well, like I prefer, you know, that freedom that small town monsters gives me all the time. So I mean, they're they're fantastic to work with. I love everybody over there. Oh, yeah. Great, great team.

for sure. It's a perfect fit for you to be partnering with them at this time. Let's take a little step back. So tell me what was it, what came first? Was it the cryptid love for cryptids or the love for art? Tell me that. It was definitely art came first. You know, ever since I was a little kid, I've been drawing. I've told this story a couple times before, but my dad worked at a print shop, or he ran a print shop for like 30 years. Wow. And he would bring home these just like giant reams of white paper pads. And we would set them out on the kitchen table and, you know, we'd pull out, you know, the colored pencils, the markers, the paint brushes.

And we would just, you know, go crazy, like doing, just having art night, basically. and he was my dad was also a big comic book fan so he had like tons of comic books that you know we could you know i could sit at with like thor and captain america and spider man and just like sit there and draw from the panels so that's kind of like how it all started for me is um art night with the family do you have a um like a comic book artist or an artist that uh you look up to that's been like inspiration for you over the years in your style or anything I thought? Well, definitely like Jack Kirby. He, you know, did Captain America, Thor, you know, all the classic Marvel guys.

Like that artwork was always like super dynamic because, you know, like he would have like that force perspective and, you know, like, the, you know, like, the, you know, brilliant colors and stuff. like that. So I think that, you know, at an early age was like very attractive to me. And so I think like, I mean, I can vividly remember, you know, sitting at the kitchen table drawing Captain America in that, you know, that pose, you know, where he's got the shield like coming right. Yeah, yeah. And I mean, I like, that's, that's classic. So yeah, that's probably, he would probably be my number one influence. That's awesome. Oh, man, Jack Kirby's stuff. I mean, You can't get much better than that for sure when it comes to that classic superhero stuff. Let's talk about, you know, some people they're going to say, you know, what got me into cryptids was like in search of or Monster Quest.

Like, was there a certain thing that you can remember getting yourself into cryptids? Well, for me, I mean, it really started at a very early age with like Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster. I can remember just like going into my elementary school library and just, I mean, I knew, like, I had, I knew the route to get to, you know, the crypted books and the monster books. And so, I mean, there's, you know, those books definitely, like, expanded my imagination as a little kid. And I think just, you know, the fact that there were. these monsters in the modern day that people were seeing just like blew my mind. And yeah, so I mean, I think I think the cryptid stuff really started very, very early for me. And then it kind of took a hiatus for a while and then now is like really hyped up.

That story is familiar to me as well where it's like as a little kid, you're like, this is awesome. And then you're like, uh, and then something kickstarts it again. Was there a certain thing that kickstarted it again when you got a little bit past the, I want to be cool in high school or whatever? Well, I was, I was never really concerned about being cool. Fair enough. I've always, I've always been a weirdo. I may look kind of normal because I have a job and stuff and I have to look normal.

But like, I'm a total weirdo. Awesome. But, um, yeah, I think really podcasts, I think, really, like, brought me back into it. There was a point where I was commuting, you know, an hour, hour and a half, sometimes two hours a day, both ways, and needed to, you know, fill my time in the car with something. Wow. I yeah so I just kind of gravitated first towards music and then towards podcasting and when I heard my first Sasquatch Chronicles podcast I was hooked

like hooked hard and so I mean I and you know with the two hours in the car you know you can blow through a couple of Sasquatch Chronicles and then you know it kind of blossoms from there which I'm sure you're familiar with you know you start with that and then you go to that and then you hear about another one and then it's just it's the constant thing and it's just like there's there's just so much out there now it's insane it's nuts dude there's no way to listen to all you could never do it because it seems like there's a new cryptid podcast or something related to being started every other week which is amazing and right guys keep doing it because the more that this gets out into the world universe,

the more we're going to figure out. So everyone keep doing it. You're absolutely right. It's crazy. Like, you think about it a few years ago, it was not like this. It's nuts. Yeah, I mean, even two years ago, it wasn't like this. Yeah, no.

I think, I mean, the pandemic definitely, like, I think spurred a lot of people on to create things and, like, get themselves out there. was that was that your your thing too like were you trying to i think i remember you saying something about that before so was that the antithesis of bigfoot society it would have so how it worked was i started it in 2019 because i got involved with uh stm production with my buddy andrew terran the skies but the thing is is that it would have died unless I had been like inside and men what do I do oh wait this is

podcast thing oh wait everyone else is inside and I wouldn't have gotten half the interviews I would have gotten if everyone else would have been like bored out of their mind and stuck inside that's just how it worked you know so uh the creative state of the world would be radically different I think if there had not been that pandemic. I mean, just think of all the stuff that would not exist today. Holy mackerel, dude, it would be totally different. There'd be so many podcasts that wouldn't exist. It's crazy.

But hey, it is what it is. And like I was saying, I'm, I'm in the same boat because I picked up the iPad. I decided to pick up the iPad and start playing with it during the pandemic. We were stuck inside. I didn't have a studio space anymore. So I was kind of looking for that creative outlet that I had, you know, with, you know, canvases and brushes, but needed it to be on a very small scale just because of the situation that I was in.

So I picked up the iPad, downloaded Pro Create for the iPad, and just kind of went from there. And yeah, I mean, I love that medium now. Like it's it's my go-to medium now and it's the reason why I started doing the the cryptid stuff is I don't I don't think if I was painting on canvas I would be cranking out three or four big feet a day you know it just wouldn't happen the immediacy of that medium really makes it a lot easier to to crank out stuff like that do you have a favorite piece that crypted theme piece that you've done so far I know that's

that tough one to ask oh geez I'll just go with a series because and it's I did them I guess it's been you know less than six months ago

but it's basically excuse me just portraits like face like sort of like chest to, you know, top of the head portraits of big feet or sasswatching. And basically what I wanted to do with those was just show the diversity in, like, the descriptions. And, like, they're not necessarily based on, you know, actual descriptions or anything like that.

But I think some, like, the most interesting things about a lot of, like, the podcast that I listen to are the descriptions. of the faces and the builds, you know, that they describe and that, like, the hair and stuff like that. Like, I really love to listen to these very, you know, intricate descriptions of Sasquatches. So that's what I was trying to capture with that, was just how different they could look. Oh, wow. Like, one could look a little bit more, you know, animalistic. One could look a little bit more human.

And then just, you know, just kind of like playing with those different aspects. So when you're creating your, you know, you're drawing your different versions of Bigfoot, are you, you're actually using some of these descriptive reports from different podcasts to give you inspiration? Well, I think it, I think it's more just like in my head. I have before done that. I don't know that I've like put anything out there. though like saying this is from this yeah sure but i mean i'm like i said i've listened to so many podcasts about you know bigfoot encounters and descriptions like at this point it's like kind of

ingrained in my brain like i have to yeah yeah i guess that's also part of the creative part i need to get out of my brain and somewhere else yeah it's like at it's at the point where like uh you can't remember life before it if that makes, yeah, maybe that's just me being crazy, but I can't. So were you like big into podcasts too? I mean, obviously you have a podcast, but were you big into it as well? Like just consuming, consuming like I was or? I'm trying to remember.

There was, I'm not going to name names for a reason. and it'll become evident. There is a podcast I would listen to. I would be constantly like, I would ask them a different question or I'm not liking the type of question you're asking. So that, so yeah, you still, I wouldn't have the time to listen to tons of podcasts,

but I did listen to a few. This would be like 2018, 2019, and all great podcasts. But that motivated me. I was like, oh, well, no one's saying you can't do one. So why don't you just do it? You know? And they kind of half went from there.

No, I've definitely been in that situation too. Like just like yelling at my radio. Like, why? Yeah. You know, why aren't you asking this? Like, this is, you know, this would be so much more interesting than, you know, that because, you know, they've talked about that on a million podcasts. Why wouldn't you go down this rabbit rabbit rabbit hole instead of this one? Yeah.

Yeah. I understand that. It's and always hoping that I am not doing that. But yeah, it's going to happen. Dude, you have such a great podcast. I feel like I think I've listened to all of your episodes. Wow, thank you. Definitely a big fan of a Bigfoot Society for sure.

You have definitely helped out. Jonathan's been involved with multiple projects over the years. I think the, I was trying to think of like the first, thing I noticed of yours and it must have been a night callers thing you did because you used to be like the artist for Lauren for night callers and like you would primarily do that right yeah she was like one of excuse me he was like one of the first people to like contact me to do bigfoot you know commissioned bigfoot stuff her and Matt nap yep of bigfoot crossroads they both um they both were like

instrumental and like kind of introducing me into that whole community. And because of my relationships with them, you know, they're, they're the type of people that, you know, will, you know, just throw your name out there and throw your name out there. And, you know, I mean, I still, I still get people emailing me like, hey, Lauren Smith said that you could, you might be able to do this for me. Like, would you be able to, would you be able to do that? So, yeah, so like those early relationships were like super vital for me. That's probably the number one thing that someone can take away from this is you're, the relationships that you make.

I mean, it's the most important thing you can do and it can, it'll make or break what you're trying to do. I mean, especially as an artist. As an artist, I mean, it's not all sitting in a studio. drawing. I mean, you have to, you have to put yourself out there a lot. And that's, that's why I started doing, like, the, you know, the cryptid events. Yes. And started doing, like, podcast stuff. Yep. And I mean, you, I'm, I'm, I'm an introvert. Like, I'm totally an introverted person. So, like, going out and, like, meeting people and, like, trying to, and talking about myself is,

like, I get it. It's, it's, it's, it's difficult, dude. Like, like, it's difficult, dude. So, I mean, but you have to, you have to be able to do that or you're not going to get any more work. You'll just kind of fall off the radar. What was the first vending experience that you had? PNC Bank brings you, Call of the Wild Money Moves. You hear that? That's an internet troll telling you to put all your money into a single investment. YOLO!

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First vending experience was last year's, not this, not this past one, but the one before that, the very first cryptid bash. Oh, wow. What? The Moth Boys event. Just jump right into the live pool. That's crazy. Yeah. And it was, it was awesome.

Yeah. Like, that was their first ever event, and it went off without a hitch. I mean, Moth Boy, Mike would probably tell you, you know, there was this went wrong and this went wrong. But for the most part, it was amazing. It was fantastic. I haven't heard anything bad about any of their events ever. Yeah. No, yeah.

And this past year was great as well. The, I mean, the turnout that they had for both of the events were phenomenal. I mean, this is a small mountain town. I mean, well, I guess, you know, it's a school town. Sure. It's a college town. But it's, you know, it's a little teeny tiny town in the mountains. and, you know, 500, you know, to 1,000 people or whatever coming through just to do like cryptid stuff is like, it's super cool.

It's awesome. It's so cool. It was a great. It was a great event. It was fantastic. One day I will make it. I'll be able to make it out there. It's on the list of like I need to make it happen somehow.

Iowa is a haul, dude. Iowa to West Virginia. Yeah, you were asking me, I think we were messaging on Instagram, you're like, you come into Van Meter Visitor? I was like, it's like 15 hours away, dude. I don't know if I could make it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, not a problem. Maybe someday, but totally understandable,

because it's hard for me to make it to all the stuff out there unless I fly. Have you, and I have know the answer to this, but have you been able to actually go out yourself and look for cryptids?

Yes. And I'm trying to do more stuff. I'm trying to find my own area, honestly. Like that's been kind of like a goal. Because, I mean, you can go out doing this stuff anywhere. If I've learned anything about this, there's weird stuff everywhere.

and the best thing that you can do is, you know, you don't have to, like, it would be really cool if I could go out to Bluff Creek, you know, hang out with Tate and them, you know, in the woods at Bluff Creek. That'd be amazing. But that's not feasible, you know, with the wallet. I get it. So I feel like the best thing that you can do is just find the weird stuff around you and start educating yourself on it. Like, that's what you're into. Go do that.

You don't, yeah, you don't have to fly out to California or up to Canada or whatever. I mean, you can go out looking on your own. But yeah, and I actually did get a really cool opportunity to go out with Alex Petikoff and Eli Watson and Les Odell. This was a few months ago while they were filming Beyond the Trail. and they were gracious enough to invite me out to hang out. It's not really my neck of the woods, but it was close enough where I was like, hell yeah, I'm going. And so, yeah, it was a lot of fun.

We found some pretty interesting stuff, actually, like some rock stack type things. We found this one area that, this is Les Odell's, one of his research areas. And we were up in there and the night before we couldn't find the area. It was like it was pitch black and the area was like so grown over from the last time he was there. We couldn't find his tape markers. Wow.

So we were we were out just like, I mean it was and it was like it rained the night before. So it was like super wet and squishy. It was like this marsh area. excuse me and um so the next day we actually went out to try to find it and we actually did so we went up the mountain to where he was where he had initially found this area and we found this it was like a pyramid almost of rocks whoa that were like stack there and they're big rocks too like um i'm not picking up 200 pound rocks and stacking them 200 pound rocks in a pyramid really i mean the bottom rock

the bottom rock was at least three to four foot wide and then the rest of them stacked up it was it was stacked up about maybe like two or three feet off the ground which I mean people could do that why you you would do something like that in the middle of nowhere like up a mountain

on an overgrown mountain like I mean I don't know I don't know why somebody would do that also in that area there were you know, rocks that had been smashed. Like, it looked like they were picked up and smashed on the ground. And they were kind of like all over the place.

And then there were these trees that had sort of like these marks going up the sides. This is all in their... Like claw marks? In the documentary that they put out. It looked like something had, like, took a tree like this and then pushed up or either pushed up or maybe pulled down. And, I mean, that could be a bear. I mean, there's bears out there doing stuff like that, I'm sure.

But we noticed it was in like a line. So there was these scratches up the tree. And then you would turn and the next tree in the line would have the same exact marks on the same side going. And I think we found like three or four in a row that was like that. And it just seems strange. I mean, I'm not 100% saying, you know, oh, it was Bigfoot. But that's a weird thing to see. Yeah.

I feel like. Like something that doesn't normally happen. Dude. So, yeah, I mean, we had a really cool time. And of course, you know, they're really cool dudes. We got along great. I'm a camper. I love camping.

So we had a lot in common. And I'd been doing like artwork for, be on the trail for I guess a year before that so we had gotten to to know each other before but yeah I mean it was it was a lot of fun it was really cool opportunity I'd love to get back out there with them at some point if they're you know within my immediate area I'll I definitely try to make it happen again heck yes dude do you have a do you have a way that you know you talked earlier about finding the weird stuff in your area um how do you usually end up trying to find the weird stuff in your area.

Any particular resources you use? So what I've done, you know, Bigfoot speaking, I've looked at both the BFRO and the Bigfoot mapping project, the app. So I've looked at both of those and kind of like overlaid them. I know they kind of like pull, some of them. I think Bigfoot mapping project pulls a little bit from B.R.O. and other resources. They do. So that would probably be a better, you know, if you're using one thing for Bigfoot stuff,

I would probably say check out the Bigfoot mapping project. But yeah, if you're looking on there, it'll show you like pin drops of like different locations. Oh, yeah. And if you can, you know, find an area where there's a cluster or, And then you can kind of like cross-reference that with like what you know like water sources or something like that. I mean, you could you could potentially pinpoint a pretty good area to at least go to and check out. Oh, yeah. And he even had that graphic he came out with, which was like all the Bigfoot hotspots around the U.S.

I don't know if you saw that, which is like I'm not going to go into specifics, but it's a little bit too accurate. and we're going to leave it there. I was like, oh, you're good with what you do, buddy. But data is data, you know. You get the right data. You can figure your stuff out. Yeah. And I think it's really cool.

I mean, you have like the different overlaps that he has on there where you can like, you know, and check out like where, you know, things are in relation to like national parks or, you know, like. Oh, yeah. rivers, you know, like, because, you know, they, they say he always travels the creeks. You can check out the creeks and rivers and stuff like that. So, yeah, it's definitely a really cool resource. Also, just, like, just researching, like, go into the library. Like, I feel like people don't even go to the library anymore.

No, they don't. Go to a library. I mean, yeah, I mean, they'll just sit on their computer. I mean, there's so much at your fingertips at the computer. But also, there's tons of stuff that has. hasn't even made it onto the computer, you know, because it's in a library. I mean, you can go to the library and get a book and find information that's not even out there. All you got to do is find that one book from the 1800s about your town history that the info didn't get put anywhere else.

And then you rediscover the story. And, I mean, like, that's, you know, that's a van meter visitor right there. That's how that happened, you know. It's like they found an old newspaper article and boom. This is crazy I use the map in black a lot too Oh yeah I got one of those

Shout out to the map in black 20 22 edition out now kids Go get one Heck yeah I have to get the new one It's good That's good I think is so cool

Actually I don't think I've even spread it out All the way yet I don't think I have enough room in my house It's huge I have to take it outside But yeah It's so cool And that's definitely

a good way to pinpoint things in your area which I mean because he's got stuff he's got ghost stuff on there he's got cryptid stuff he's got um all kinds like weird like roadside kind of things on there like there like there's just tons of cool stuff on there

he was he was selling maps at the VMware Visitor Festival and I had people coming up to to me with their map and like hey what's the deal with this thing in the Iowa map I was like I never heard of that. I don't know where he's getting this stuff from. It's crazy, man. Like, you got to get a copy of it. It'll blow your mind. Jonathan, it's been crazy fun chatting with you. Where, what are the next events that you're going to?

Let's see. November 19th and 20th, I'll be in Lexington, Kentucky at CryptaCon. I'll lie. Yep. Cool. Get to meet you for the first time in real life. That'll be cool. Hopefully we can hang out. No doubt. Let's see.

And I think everything's pretty quiet for the winter, actually. And then things will ramp back up. I know how Small Town Monsters is having their event in 2023. Monster Fest, dude. In June. Yeah, Monster Fest. I'll be there. I'll be there too.

Yeah. So that's, as of right now, that's everything I got on the, on the docket. So I'll probably be trying to crank out some work here pretty soon. I want to do a new series, like a new, like Instagram-driven series. I don't know what it's going to be about yet. But I think I'm due to start cranking some more stuff out. I've been kind of quiet on social media. you for a little bit.

You've done some really good series over the years. I really liked your, the alcohol series, like Crypted Alcohol Brands. Oh, the beer labels. Yeah, that was really good. That was awesome. Yeah, another series would be good.

Pretty cool. With the beer labels, that actually got me some work. Really? Like at Crypted Bash, had, you know, stickers of each one of them. Okay. And this lady came over and she was like, these are really cool.

I think I might give my boss a couple. So I started up a conversation with her. And they, she's like the marketing person or one of the marketing people at Greenbrier Valley Brewing Company. And so I gave her a bunch of stickers to, to hand out. And then they contacted me about wanting to do the Flatwoods Monster Beer. Okay. That's cool. So that was like, that was like two.

almost two years ago at this point. But I've done a bunch of work with them now. We just, for the last Crypted Bash, we did the Grafton Monster Beer. And they're going to be having that pretty soon. Nice. Like distribute that one pretty soon too. That's awesome. Oh, man.

So that was just like a really cool, like, and that's, you know, why you have to, as an artist, get yourself out there into the public. Because, you know, you never know who you're going to run. run into. You never know who's going to be there to see your work and, you know, want to put you up on something. I love it. Oh, man. I'm excited because I know that the future is going to bring even crazier things for you. I'm excited to see where your work takes you next. So, me too. Oh, me too. Goodness. I'm dying over here. But it's a cop. Yeah, I just a little cough from my throat, I'm good.

But dude, I appreciate talking to you. Thanks so much for hanging out. Do you mind taking a few minutes to talk about how people can keep up to date and pick up some of your shirts, artwork, all that? Sure. So if you want to get in touch with me, probably the best way would be Instagram and at Jonathan Dodd underscore draws on Instagram. and then I also have a website, joddraws.com, and through my Instagram

link tree, you can actually get to like my T-Public and, um, okay. Like my print shop and everything like that. So if you want to pick up a print or something like that, and then if, if you see something on the website or on either the website or my

Instagram that you like and you want to print of, hit me up. Um, I'd love to, I'd love to, you know, get everybody hooked up so what uh what site supports you the most as an artist if someone purchases something from it um probably uh imprint okay i think that's important for people to know

i mean you can buy something off another site and it's like the artist is going to get like two bucks you know so yeah yeah but it is what it is i guess but i you know i think it's important Actually, I mean, if people are coming out to events, that's where you make your money as an artist at an event. But, you know, not everybody can make it out to, you know, a cryptic con or something like that. Exactly. But yeah, so I love to hear from people. So if anybody's interested, you know, shoot me a message. Perfect.

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