Bigfoot Society - Encounter at Deadman's Lake! | Washington

Episode Date: December 24, 2024

In this episode of Bigfoot Society, host Jeremiah Byron interviews Freddy from Washington State, who shares his chilling Bigfoot encounter from 2004 while hunting with his son near Dead Man's Lake in the Mount St. Helens area. Freddy recounts their harrowing 7.5-mile hike to the remote lake where they experienced eerie screams and saw unsettling sights that led to the abrupt departure of a fellow camper. Freddy's tale offers a detailed account of the dense forested area, the steep terrain of Goat Mountain, and the strange patterns he found in animal skeletons, all culminating in what he and others believe was a close encounter with Bigfoot. Tune in to hear Freddy’s gripping story and learn more about this mysterious region. 🔴 Subscribe to our Youtube channel and leave a comment here: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Share your Bigfoot encounter with me here: [e-mail] to call in and leave a voicemail of your encounters for the podcast - Check this out here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsociety(Use multiple voice mails if needed!)Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: [e-mail]

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great state of washington and he had listened to one of my packwifestown Washington episodes not too long ago. And then he heard how I was asking if anyone else had any encounters around that area. And so emailed me right after he listened to that episode. So Freddie, it's a pleasure to have you on the show today. Thank you. I appreciate it. Is there anything else that the listeners would need to know about your background before I have you go into your story of what you experienced out there in the woods? Yeah, sure. I'm originally from down southeast and I was born and raised down there in military and came up here. And in, I'd say, probably late 90s was when I first moved up here.

And to be honest with you, I really didn't know anything or that much about Bigfoot stuff at all. It's a lot more prevalent up here and a lot more interest in that. when all this came about with what happened with us, that was the, I just didn't really know what I was actually seeing or experiencing or hearing. Anyway, yeah, I've honestly, I've tried to keep this story to myself because the area was a hunting area and how it is with guys that don't want to give up their hunting areas and that kind of stuff. but this happened around 2004. One of the reasons I'm okay with going ahead and talk about is it's been 20 years. And so this happened a while ago. But also another site that corroborates my story on this was actually had already been posted in the location and everything.

So I'm going to go ahead and divulge some stuff that normally I wouldn't have done, but it's already out there. So I'm just, it's okay to talk about it. I just wanted to share my experience about what happened with. my son and I on this little adventure. And yeah. And Freddie, something I would request of you, just because I'm looking at a map, is if you could include what it took to actually get into this location, because it looks like it may have taken a little bit of work to get in there, but I don't know. Yeah, no, you're exactly right. So this is an area. The area is called Goa Mountain, and that area is mainly traveled by horse.

It's a horse camp up above. And when you're coming into this area, you're entering it in through the Mount St. Helens area, park area, but then you're going, you're eventually making your way back over into the forested national forest land, which is areas that you can hunt and that kind of stuff. So it's on the border.

The first mountain you've got to traverse up is really steep. I'd say that's probably a good three and a half, four miles straight up and then another three miles down to some lakes that you can get to as well. A lot of people go up there for hiking. People fish up there a little bit. So there is a little bit of trout fishing up there. And yeah, I would say in total, coming from the base of this mountainous area is to the actual end resort, which was where I was, we were camped out of the lake called Dead Men's Lake. that's probably from the beginning of the trailhead to that lake is probably around seven to seven and a half miles. I think it's about seven and a half miles, I think.

All I know is hiking it and going that steep in elevation, it definitely feels like a long way. It's a pretty good hike. So the first probably four miles is pretty hard just because it's just going up switchbacks. And usually when I would go up there, because I used to go up there every year just about to hunt, we're carrying 50, 60, 70-pound packs, just depending on how much stuff we needed to get up in that area. Because usually when I would hunt up there, we'd be up there for about five days, five days to a week. It just depending on my work schedule and all that. But this particular year, my son and I, he was 13, getting ready to turn 14.

And this was his first big, real big hunt with me. I'd been hunting up there. Oh, yeah, let me explain that too. I've been hunting that area since about 2000. A friend of mine that he flew aircraft and stuff, he knew this area pretty well and basically introduced me to this area. And so I'd hunted that area for a few years prior to me taking my son up there. And I went up there during archery season.

So this was around, I'm guessing around September timeframe, 2004. And like I said, my son was probably close to 14. I was around 32 years of age at that time. And so a little more fit, a little more agile to get up in these areas. And so anyway, we packed up down below at the trailhead where the horse camp, one of the main start where people trade around their horses to go up the trailhead. We made like a base camp down there with a really, I had a little tiny RV. I just kept down there.

We had a base camp. And then the plans was to set the satellite camp up above at Dead Nines and just camp there. Not really hunt there, but just camp there and then go out from there. Anyway, so we went up, we hiked up. It was like I said, like you said earlier, it is not an easy place to get to. We had to try to beat the horse with guys on horseback up there that morning. So we left out in the dark that morning to get up there and start doing some hunting and doing, and we needed to get to Dead Man's to set up camp.

And so we were getting up there and we hunted, set up camp, was there overnight, hunted that night that day, and then camped out that night at Dead Men's Lake, and then got up, went back up to Goat Mountain, which is an area that you can really visually see your area okay a little better. So we were up there looking and this guy, we saw this guy walking down. The horse trail is probably, well, it was at the top of Gatgoat Mountain, so it was probably about three miles in from the trailhead. So we were right at the very peak, right at the top peak.

And we see this guy walking towards us and he's got a little rod and fishing rod and just looking like he's just going to be a light camper. So we walk up to him and we're like, hey, and he was like, saw that, we saw that, we were archery hunting and we were just chatting back and forth and I said, hey, we're camping out down a dead nuns if you guys just let me know. And he goes, I said, there's nobody else down there. It's just my son and I. And he was like, oh, okay, so I'll see maybe tonight or something and we'll see if we can meet up for like dinner or whatever. Anyway, we just chatted for a little bit and he said he was going to stay there for a couple days, like a few days. I'm not sure how many

days, but he would just say he's going to be there. So we hunted all that day and that night we came in to camp and I looked out and probably about 200 yards away was his camp. So there was only him and then my son and I. So my son and I were in our campsite and then he had his campsite probably close to 200 yards away around this lake. And to figure out logistically, we were closer to the main trail and he was like further away from the trail and he would have actually had to walk past us if he was going to come pack out or anything if we were there so anyway another day goes by we're hunting and doing our thing and come back in really late one night it was pretty late and we hunted all day and come back to the tent and was fell asleep i don't know i'm guessing we

probably fell asleep around eight or nine and I woke up at about nine and it's probably about one. We woke up about one in the morning and so I think I looked at my watch and it was right at just about one in the morning and there was the most god awful scream I'd ever heard and it was only probably about 30 yards from us. It was really close. And when I thought I ever, At first I was thinking, okay, maybe this is just a cougar, maybe this is just a bear or something like that. But the way that this thing made this sound, it didn't sound like a cat because a mountain cat sounds more like a woman screaming or whatever. This one sounded very guttural, and it was just, it was a really long, long scream. It felt like it lasted like five seconds every time it would do it.

and it did that a few times. And because we were up there archery hunting, and I was concerned, just to be honest, I had packed a small pistol on me just in case for safety of my son and I, in case we ran across anything, wasn't expecting that, and had pulled my pistol and was just waiting, and I could hear this thing walking up to our tent, and it was walking around us, and it didn't sound like a four-legged, animal at all. And I, even telling this story, is giving me chill bumps right now. It was,

but it was screaming and yelling and it was terrifying. You always think you know what you're going to do at that moment, but I honestly was freaked out. And I, I was trying to figure out a way, my son and I were both looking at each other, because now we're both awake and he's scared out of his mind. I'm like, going, what is this? And so I'm trying to figure out an exit way to get out of the tent and shine some light on whatever it is. But when it started walking around, I was like, okay, I'm not walking out there. And so it came around and then walked back,

and then it more or less disappeared after that. But the screaming thing that this thing did was probably a good 15 seconds of it, maybe 20 seconds of yelling and screaming and had a really high-pitched. And then it went to a really low pitch. And that's what was just, that was really what was so, like I could not figure out what kind of animal this would actually sound like. Anyway, we stayed in there and we couldn't sleep the rest of the night. We were pretty much wide awake. The rest of the night, just waiting and listening for anything to transpire.

It did walk away. And so anyway, got up that morning and walked outside the tent. and I looked over and the guy's tent that was 200 yards away from us was gone. His packet and everything was gone. And so anyway, I was kind of like, okay, well, that's weird. I saw him the night before. I saw his camp down there and now he's gone. I'm like, when in the world did he leave?

And so anyway, we went ahead. We stayed down there. We actually stayed for another day. and we were pretty nervous about staying, but we just did not know what it was, and we were just trying to figure it out. Well, anyway, the next day, we went out, we hunted all day again,

came back to camp, and I'd ask my son to go to the lake to get some water because we'd get water from the lake and boil it over the campfire, and that would be some of our drinking water, fresh drinking water. So he went down, and he comes running back, and he goes,

Dad, there's something by the, lake and it was looking at me and I go maybe maybe it was just a a barrack or something he goes no doubt he goes this thing was looking at me it had a face but he goes the closest thing I can make it out to be is it looked alien but at the same time it I go what did you see its body or what he was like no I just saw his face and he was looking at me he was like behind a log or a stump and I was like yeah okay I think we're about done so we ended up packing our stuff up and going ahead and heading back down. So anyway, we come back home.

We told some of our friends and family the story, and they were just like, man, you know, that sounds like a Bigfoot thing. And I didn't know really what they were talking about. I'd heard about Bigfoot, but not really too much. It's, like I said, it's more southwest. So I go and I ended up running into my friend again. Actually, to fend for it a little bit, three years go by. Okay.

And I'm talking to the guy that he introduced me, the place, the guy that flew. And he told me, he goes, you need to be careful going up there at certain times because you just don't know what you're going to get into. We were just talking about safety and stuff. And I go, yeah, I said, I know. I said, I've already had that one incident happening. He was like, what are you talking about? And I go, I thought I told you that.

And he goes, no. And so I told him the story about what I just told right now. And he goes, dude, I totally believe in the Bigfoot stuff. And I was like, really? And he goes, yeah. And I said, I go, I don't know. I don't know what it was, but it was very terrifying. And it walked around us.

It sounded upright. Didn't sound like a four-legged creature or anything. and I go, I don't know. So he ends up jumping on the, I guess, BFRO, I think. And he found the other guy's story in our area. He was going on his computer and he looked up the area that we hunt. He goes, hey, look, man, there's another story up at Dead Men's Lake. And I go, what?

There is? He goes, yeah, it's right. He goes, dude, that's right where we camp. And I go, what is he saying? What was the year? And he goes, it happened in 2004. And I go, dude, that's when I was there. And so he clicks on it and he was reading the story.

And his side of the story, I haven't read this story in a long time, but his side of the story was that he was going up there to go fish and fish at Dead Man's Lake. And he ran into a father and son, archery hunting. We discussed talking about meeting one another. And it was the date and everything. Like, that was it. That was the story. And so that was the story.

story from the guy that actually was there also. And so anyway, he, the, that guy ended up, according to what I, if I remember correctly, because I haven't read this a long time, was that as soon as he heard that screaming and yelling, he started packing stuff and got out of there right then. He must have left there in the dark. And I'm telling you, this section of the woods is pretty scary at night. If you're going to be up there alone, And to pack out alone, he would have had to have been really terrified to have done that. That's not something that you would just want to up and do. It's a hard hike out of there.

And for him to get up at one or two in the morning and to pack his stuff and leave before daylight, something spooked him as well, pretty bad. But the difference was he was still probably a couple hundred yards from him. And I was literally within feet of this thing. And I guess according to that thing, if I remember correctly, He said he knew that we were down there, I guess, but... It always happens right before the whistle. There's a little voice that says,

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So anyway, yeah, that's more or less what happened. I don't know if that's what my son actually saw at the lake, but whatever it was, hanging around us. I did look up the report, as we were talking about earlier today. The way that he talks in it, he calls out in this report the same thing you did, which is the scream was. predominantly a high-pitched scream, but he also noticed a low-toned vibe that seemed to be part of the scream as well. It did. It was weird. It was so weird. It was extremely high, which at first made me think it was a cougar in the beginning. But then when it went to this real low guttural, I was like, no, that's not a cougar. That ain't no cougar. But yeah, to me, that's what I was expecting. But you're right. It was really high, and then it went really low.

So. The other thing that he points out is that it reminded him of a sound that he's heard Gibbons make, which is interesting. Oh, okay. All right. So that's kind of. Yeah, see, I'm kind of, I'm kind of ignorant to a lot of this stuff. Honestly, I hate to say that. But what you're hearing is straight up honesty for me on how this, as far as what I know, that's really, I don't know.

the differences in the big foot and all that kind of stuff. But that is interesting. Like I said, I haven't read that story since 2007. It might be interesting to check it out. Yeah. Okay. Another interesting thing he says this other witness is that he tried to get back into the area later on, but it had been closed down by the Forest Service due to activity around Mount St. Helens.

Oh, okay. So that's weird. That is weird because I didn't see that while we were there. I didn't see anything shut down. But see, we literally stayed there for an additional day. You know what I mean? We were there for four days, more or less. And so by the time we were seeing these other things and something else seemed really weird, we just decided we needed to get out of there. Because we were the only ones up there. And if we needed help, we would have been totally screwed. Absolutely. You're so far out there. It's not going to be a good time. Did you hear any other animals or birds at the same time that you were hearing these screams or was it just pretty much nothing? Hey, sorry, hold on. I apologize. The Bluetooth keeps, let me see if I can, the Bluetooth keeps having issues on this. It's very strange. Let me see if I can reconnect. Hello? Check, check. Hello. Hey, Freddy. Sorry about that.

I have no idea. Oh, there we go. Oh, boy, it's going to be fun. I just have a few more questions for you. Sure. Yeah, no, go ahead. So the last question I had asked was, do you remember hearing any sounds around the same time

when you were hearing the screaming? No, absolutely not. No. This area that we hunted in, it's a very dense fir tree area. These things are massive, and it's not like a home to a lot of small animals. Like, you don't see squirrels, you don't see any of that stuff in there. Don't ask me why, but there's just very low amount of wildlife near that lake.

The only thing I've ever heard down there before, and that was probably maybe a year or two before that, was I have heard an owl in there. I was walking down the trail one night, and I was coming back at dark. and I heard an owl that was literally 10 feet from me that hooted at me. But there was a substantial difference between a scream and yell as opposed to a bird sound. Yeah, this was no bird sound at all. I know that for a fact. Absolutely.

You had mentioned the sighting that your son had, and I know you guys aren't researchers, but did you happen to go down to that area to see if there were tracks or after a half? happened, you're like, you know what, let's get out. Yeah, so I did, when he come running out of the woods, I went more or less running towards him to see if everything was okay. And he was like, that there's something over there looking at me. He goes, I'm looking at its eyes. It's looking at me. And I went down there and I didn't see it. And he goes, dad, it was just there. I'm telling you. And he wouldn't have made that up. He's not that kind of kid. Not even from being, being scared from the other stuff.

He just saw something and didn't know what it was. And but no, I, when we, when he told me that, I was spooked by then and was enough to go, I don't want to camp out another night here and go through that again. We were going to, we were going to go ahead and stay another following night, but I just was like, nah, I think we're just going to go ahead and head back. We're now up here alone by ourselves. And if in the event we didn't need help or anything, we would have been toast. I didn't want to endanger my son.

Like, that was bad enough being up there after that incident. But like I said, to be honest, I just was like, man, maybe there's another kind of an animal up here that I'm not aware of. But this thing does not sound like a cat and it doesn't sound like a bear. I don't know what it is. But maybe there's just something I'm not aware of. And that's when, of course, later on, people were like, shoot, that was probably a big foot. And I was just like, what? So it was kind of like, whoa, you know, some of the things that people were talking about and saying, I wouldn't even tell somebody, oh, that didn't happen to you.

Because now that I've had it happen to me, I would say there's validity and everybody's experiences of what has happened to them on their own. Oh, absolutely. All I can tell you is what happened to me and my son and the third party that was there. Yeah. That was, it was quite a few years ago. over the years, have you looked to see if there's been other things that have happened in the same area or region that could be related to Bigfoot? Not really so much. I haven't hunted up there in several years, probably at least 10 years or so. And not because I didn't want to because of that incident or anything.

It was just, like I said, I'm getting older now, and it's just getting harder to hike into these areas. like I said, they're a hard place to hike in. It's not too bad on a horseback or anything, but it's pretty steep terrain. I will say that there's been some weird things up there that we've gone into some areas hunting that was very in the thick, like in areas that I couldn't even imagine people going into.

And it doesn't mean that they haven't. Hunters can be pretty resilient to get in around certain areas, but we've been in some areas that were pretty, pretty thick. And I've just seen like skeletons of animals, whether it be bear or cougar or whatever, or elk, actually elk and deer. And they're placed in like weird patterns and stuff. I thought that was weird. I've ran across that a few times, and I'm just like, man,

I would be really surprised if somebody's been through some of these areas. It doesn't mean it's not possible, but I've just, seen some things that that was just really weird like why are these things stacked a certain way and done this way out literally in the middle of nowhere can and so can you share what you mean by strange patterns of these skeletons or yeah they were like just the way they were placed out like it was almost like they were purposefully laid out in a way not laid out in a way because of something died and got that just decayed and went to the ground. You can tell what that looks like.

This looked like the bones had been specifically, like, moved around in places and formed until, not really a design or anything, but just organized. It was weird. I've seen that before. And I just was like, man, as deep in the woods

and as thick of the woods that we're in, we would sometimes get caught up into areas that, me personally, I didn't even mean to get into. Sometimes you just start hiking into areas to look for these little side elk trails and stuff. And next thing you're in an area that you're like, I got to get out of here because I'm going to have trouble getting out of here myself. Because a lot of those ravines and stuff are so steep and they're hard to get into. And when at that time, I was in really good shape and I could hike and go up into these areas, no problem.

But when you see something like spread out and laid out, and I don't know how I'd say a pattern, they just did not look like they died and naturally decayed right there. It looked like it had died, and then something came in and shuffled their bones into a pile kind of. And it was just weird. Very strange stuff. But so other than that, I haven't had too many other encounters up there. I've hunted up there for probably, I must have hunted up there for probably 10 years, though, from 2000 all the way to 2010. But I did select, after that incident, though, I went up there, I was going to go up there with more people and also pick and choose my battles on making sure I had somebody with me or whatever.

Because I used to like to go up there by myself, but it's, as it's like, after that incident, I was probably am going to come up missing one of these days if I keep this up. Which is not funny at all, but it's funny that you had that thought. Maybe I should not do this. I actually had a similar thought out in south of Oak Ridge when I went to a reservoir down there. And I was having supper by the side of this lake. And I was like, you know what? This is how people disappear. Maybe you should not be anybody.

Yeah, no. It definitely makes us question our sanity what we want to try to do. And in all honesty, if I had even known about it. about this Bigfoot stuff at that time, it might have really made me think a little harder about it, going up there and hunting as often as I did by myself. Because I've tracked Cougar and stuff up there, I've been around them.

I know more or less what I'm hearing and seeing up there. That night was something I've never heard in my life. And really, I can't expand on that enough. It definitely wasn't human. And to me, it missed the mark on cougar and bear. And those are really about the only other things that could be up there that could even remotely come close. Because you know what cougar sounds like. You know what a bear sounds like.

And this was no bear. Yeah. Yeah, no, this is. Absolutely. Lastly, the name of that area is weird in itself. Do you know anything about the history of it? Why it's called Dead Man's Lake? I would only be speculating.

but I'd heard that it had something to do with when the volcano erupted that. One of the stories that I heard was it launched a guy into that lake. Now, whether or not that's true or not, I have no idea. That's just what I just heard that it did have a bad ending from when the mountain erupted or something. But for all I know, that lake could have been named that before that time frame. Like I said, I'm not originally from up here. I've lived here since like 99. But as far as the far back history of it, I couldn't tell you.

It's a fascinating account and it is so unique because it has that report from the other individual's viewpoint to go along with it, which I'll have linked in the show notes. And listeners, if you know the history of Dead Man's Lake, feel free to put it in the comments or if you've had an encounter in this same area of Dead Man's Lake, please share that as well. Or share it and also send me an email because that's how I keep track of stuff. And I'd love to talk to you. but Freddie, it has been just a privilege to have you on the show and for you to be able to share your story. And I appreciate you so much coming on.

Thank you. Thank you very much. If there is anything else that you run into in the future or you hear anything else, feel free to reach back out. I'd love to hear anything you run into up there because I know the Bigfoot stuff is everywhere you turn. We'll do. here at bigfoot society our goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered bigfoot to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment but we need to hear your story if you've experienced something that you just can't explain please send me an email at bigfoot society

at gmail.com then we can start the conversation and i know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been 20 years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well-deserved for rest because I know you haven't been sleeping. I understand what you're going through

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