Bigfoot Society - Exploring the Bigfoot Legends: Personal Tales and Encounters (Encounter Archives)

Episode Date: July 21, 2024

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We've got the privilege of talking to a gentleman tonight. His name is Rick. He had approached me. through Facebook, I believe, and he's got some interesting stories, anecdotal evidence from over the years. Rick, how's it going? I'll let you take it from here. Doing pretty good, man. Thanks a lot for having me on. So, I'm glad we can actually finally get together because you and I've kind of bouncing back and forth on this for a number of months. It's been a long time coming. Yeah, so one thing or another. So anyway, that's, and not to be overly vague,

but I live in Oregon. I've lived in Oregon whole life, pushing 60 years almost. And I just had an interest in this topic for, on Roger Patterson and Mr. Bob Gimlin put a movie out. And it's just been always intrigued with it ever since. So, you know, and over the course of that time, as Jeremiah and you know, I spoke, I don't have any hair-raising encounters or stories for people. but over the course of time I've met people I've talked people I've got a lot of good friends and you know after over all these years I just have a lot of stories that make me more of a believer I haven't seen one I know there's there's no words and believers out there there's nears there's people that are just don't know and I don't know but I I've got to I've I hear enough and I've been interested enough in the topic for well over half a century that I said I've got some

stories are kind of cool to me and I've kept track them over the years and I guess you know it's probably good time to share some of those I love it it sounds like you're in a I mean being in Oregon in general doesn't matter where you're at you're in a cool area but it sounds like you're in a cool area so I'm excited to hear you know you you've brushed you've brushed you know paths with with people that might be known to the Bigfoot community but I'm excited to hear, you know, what you've gathered along the years. So, well, and, and first of all, so I'm not a researcher. I spend a lot of time in the woods.

I hunt and fish. And I, my family and I, I have a lot of trail cameras I stick out in the mountains and all that. And again, I've got no groundbreaking, earth's shattered the evidence that's to be presented tonight. But I've got a pretty, like I said, a lot of interesting stories with a lot of people that, there's a lot of people out there were never a believer until they became a believer or another. And there's those that were chasing their entire lives and never really. satisfied their need to know. But yeah, we live right at the base of Mount Hood. I've lived in Western Oregon my entire life. Yeah, Mount St. Helens, Mount Adams. I spent a lot of times up in the

Northeastern Oregon or Paul Freeman. A lot of people, most people know about Paul Freeman as well. I'm very familiar with that country. And I've just got little bits and pieces from all these areas that just kind of another piece of the puzzle, I guess, so speak. So what I put together is I've got a number of stories again the vast majority of anecdotal but that's all the vast majority of those are second person these are acquaintances and or friends of mine that

we've just I've talked we've had stories so so if you don't mind I'll start off I've kind of segregated this region by region and then and then you know I said I'll just kind of start that way

I'll start with some kind of miscellaneous and I'll kind of focus on a couple different regions that northeast Oregon area, obviously the Pacific or the Mount Hood Cascade Range and up into Mount Hesse Hounds in Washington as well. So I'll start with kind of going chronologically as well, some of the couple miscellaneous ones. A good friend of my little brother, little brother, younger stepbrother. And again, we're going back. This is probably back in the 80s. And he told me the story years ago as well, but they were up in Montana, Lincoln,

Montana, if anyone knows, kind of West Central Montana. And there was a lot of reports and stories and sightings of Bigfoot back there in Lincoln, Montana, back in the mid-80s. So when I heard this story from my brother's friend, Jeff, as shoot as probably in the late 80s, early 90s. And Bigfoot, to me back then, you didn't hear about Montana. You heard about Oregon, Washington, California, Canada. He didn't hear much about the Midwest, Texas, Oklahoma, wherever. But my brother's friend, Jeff, I remember him telling us one day after they'd gone back to Montana, I think to see some family friends from the summer, summer vacation, whatever, outside of school.

And we started talking, and he knew we kind of had an interest in Bigfoot. And they'd gone on a day hike out in the mountains outside of Lincoln. And as they come walking across, some of these things I've kind of paint the vision I have from the interpretation of the stories that I heard these people of the years is from what's probably in the details they gave me and then the way I picture it. And they're coming back to their car. There's a kind of big clearing on a high ridge timber. They came out of the timber, a couple hundred yards back to the car and as they're approaching their vehicle late in the afternoon or early evening, some people in the trailhead start running at them point and point and pointing, point in. And in this scenario,

there had been, they'd been bed at Bigfoot sightings in activity. And they turned around and right on the edge of the timber, they see this large, dark figure, turn, walk back in the timber on the trail, or in the vicinity of the trail, like it followed them out to the edge of the timber. And Jeff and his family had turned, turned, and they just saw this large black figure turning and walking back in the timber. So, and really, that's just kind of, that's how a lot of my story is going to be. It's going to be stuff like that. But again, there's several of them. So, this is great, Rick, because I have listeners from all over and people, People are going to be, oh my goodness, Lincoln, Montana.

Yeah. Totally. I've seen one in Lincoln, Montana, you know? Well, it's an end for eight. And ultimately that might be, you know, how will this all come together? Because I'll get in something. Actually, just a couple more down the line here. Yellowstone National Park on the east side, Yellowstone,

Cody, Wyoming. There's a number of reported sightings. The stories come out of there. Idaho, same thing. The Bowman incident, which goes way back. And Teddy Roosevelt talked about that. Oh, yeah. But again, it's when I was growing up and younger, it was, it was Oregon, Washington, California, and then you get up into Canada as well.

So, and as we see now, it's, that's a, I don't know if you want to call it referred to as in on or not, but it's not just Oregon, Washington, California, and Canada. So, so, um, so again, just since these are not so much specifically regional, I've just got a couple miscellaneous stories. So that, that's the one Lincoln, Montana. And back in their early to mid-80s, probably. a good friend of mine, I'll have a couple references to him. Avid Outdoorsman, he's a non-believer, and we'll get to want his stories a little bit later, more local. But a good friend of his that I've got to meet over the years, again, a very simple story, but he was down, and I'm kind of reading off some notes as we go here, but down along the Oregon Coast, Salette's River. Orden Coast has a good history, too. You don't hear a lot about it. they're driving along driving the road down the Salets River and this is probably back in the early

70s now and just a tall black figure crosses the road in front of them as a lot of sightings are you're driving at night and all of a sudden bam bam bam two or three steps and that's that's the experience you have that the best majority of people in this country will never have or in this world for that so um so a crossing of the you know of the highway heading down the Celette's middle of night they're not middle of night but probably even And so I said, that's all that's all I have on the story. But, you know, it's just an acquaintance of a friend that had saw something that can you explain it? Can you not?

Whatever. And then finally, of my miscellaneous stories, this has to do as Yellowstone as well. Probably about 10 years ago. We used to go, my family and I used to go to Yellowstone, my wife, and our kids, and even prior to kids. We used to go to Yellowstone quite a bit, once or twice a year. And again, having heard some of these stories. especially on the eastern boundary of Yellowstone. There's actually some photos from around Old Faithful,

if anyone's seen those from a couple years ago in the snow, possibly some Bigfoot's walking amongst some bison or buffalo on the trail system out on Old Faithful in midwinter. But this is on the east and northeast end of Yellowstone. I just saw some very large impressions in the snow as we're driving through in two or three feet of snow in an area that typically deer and elk are not going to be that time of year. and we slowed down and I took a look at them.

I didn't hop out. But it was just interesting because that section of Eastern Yellowstone getting into Western Wyoming on the back side of it has over the last number of years, I've seen, heard and read several stories of sightings and cameras, whatever. So I just saw big impressions. I just big impressions in what to me would be need, thigh deep snow crossing the road. Wow. So you personally did yourself. Wow. Okay. How far apart were those? It's significant enough. So you see these photos from time to time in the snow, Alberta, Canada, B.C., wherever. And deer in deeper snow will hop and post hole balance. And I didn't get out and look in those holes. Sure. To see exactly what it was. You're in the rocky mountains. You're in an area that's getting pretty dang cold. And the vast majority of wildlife migrate out of this higher elevation. and this is probably Februaryish or so, probably near the peak snowpack. And just to see the impressions, they're just big oval type of impressions in snow.

It relatively at three to four footish type of distance. By that being said also, I mean, if something is stepping that, you would expect maybe some tow drag dragons of snow. We just slowed down. We went past that area once and turned around, came back. And I just to specifically look at those impressions in the snow, it could have been a deer. There should not have been deer up there, not to say there wasn't. Most likely not up. They don't typically hop like that, especially in snow environments.

So they'll plow their way through. There's bison up there. There's moose. But same thing. They're big, strong animals. If they're living up and then there's plowing a trail through that. Oh, yeah. Definitely.

They're not hobbing or post-hole on, now I'm stodding or something like that. So, again, it was just, it was just an observation driving through. Yellowstone Park in an area that there is recent history of experiences in Canada. Again, anecdotal what it was, I didn't get out and look specifically is it a five-track, 5-to-18-inch track. And it's right. It was just like it was probably sub-zero. You're like, I'll stay in the car.

Yeah, exactly. And I've kicked myself in the butt ever since. I should have got out at least stick my nose in one of those suits and flip the bottom. what it looks like I just didn't. Right. Hey, you never know, right? And that's, and that's a lot of people probably the same thing. You see some of these videos online and why didn't they, why did they stop filming? Why did they chase it or pursued? They didn't go look at tracks. Well, I didn't see a creature. I don't know what made those. I just, those impressions as known and an animal made of some sort. So that being said, those are the more my miscellaneous, but I'll start focusing a little more

on some of the more regional and closer to my part of the world, Western Oregon, Western Washington, Washington. One of those, Mount St. Helens, Mount St. Helens, Matt Adams. Roger Patterson lived in Yakimaul, which is right in that same region, and that's, doesn't really make a whole lot of difference. I guess he did a lot of research up there. So along the Columbia River, and I don't know how many listeners you have here, and how many will see this later. I don't know how many live in the Pacific Northwest, how many are familiar with what all goes on out here.

Some will probably know more than others, and I don't know what all by any means. Well, on the Columbia River, there was a local little newspaper. This probably would have been the late 60s. And my grandparents lived up there in a little town or a little about in the country outside of the little community, Washington. And my dad had gone to high school up there and all that. And I remember the little local paper one day had a sketched drawing of one of one of the local guys who coincidentally my dad didn't go to school. he's always kind of a kooky dude. But he's driving up the highway on the Washington side of the Columbia River, which is the Columbia River Gorge. It's a big, beautiful natural feature.

And in the fog in front of him, he sees something leaning across the road thought as a tree, and as he approaches it. So this is, this is the Schemania County, which Schemania County has a law that is illegal to kill a softwatch. And this is something I camp from around the 60s or early 70s, as a community county ordinance or whatever, it's illegal to kill a softwatch. County, Washington. So along the highway along the Columbia River, the guy my dad had gone to school with and wrote it up in the paper, you drive it along, you see something looks like a tree line across the two-lane remote little highway in the dark, and as he in the fog,

and as he approaches, the thing continues to walk across the road. So the paper comes out. They have a little sketch. My dad says, my dad goes, I know that guy. He's kind of a goofy dude in high school. But as a result of that, and there's been. a number of sidingings along that section of the, I can't remember the highway 16 or something. I can't read the highway number of the highway number of sidings in the Columbia River

gorge on that highway as well as across the Columbia River, which is a very large river. On the Oregon side, it's a major interstate freeway I-84. And there's been sightings on both sides of the Columbia River on these highways and freeways over decades. So, but at that location, or in the nearer that location where my dad's old high school buddy you've seen this creature. Someone made a big plywood cutout. And so again, we're talking, this is probably right around late 60s, 1970-ish.

And I've looked before. My dad took a photo of it. Yeah, I think he used to make slides out of these. I looked several years ago. But they made this big old cutout right of that crossing. So on that highway on the Washington side, there's this eight-foot plywood cut out of a big foot. And it was there for several years. It was really cool.

I wish I could find the picture because Dad wanted to take a picture of me one day next a shot. I scared to death and go up next to that thing and get my picture taken next to this Bigfoot cut out. But I just remember it was just this big kind of rudimentary kind of painted up, plywood cutout, silhouette where Bigfoot was sighted and crossed the highway on Highway 16, and I'm 18 on the Washington side. So that's going back to just a little bit of that history.

Again, it was just kind of a neat little thing. But right around that time, my father and I went up. to Mount St. Helens, Mount Adams. And this, that's also, there's a wilderness there called the Indian Heaven Wilderness, Big Time Huckleberry picking, again, a big fan of Bigfoot history from one of the years. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. But I manage it well. It's a little bill with the big story to tell.

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Over the years, I'm talking over a couple generations. Right around, as I'm looking at age, it's right around June of 1971. My dad and I, we were driving around. We just, he had a, he had an old, um, a Ford Bronco. I was just, we'd just take it out the mountains all the time. And he used to run around that country quite a bit. And, you know, he grew up there hunting and fish and just chasing around, just, you know, getting in trouble.

And this one is one of the more significant, uh, in my early stages of, uh, the interests in Bigfoot. Remember, we went up, uh, on an old logging road on a north slope. And we came up to the kind of the, uh, the top of the, uh, the top of the, a clear cut. It was all north slope and there's snow on the grounds. And that's why it was, it was early enough the year that we could access all the roads to get up there. But, but, um, but it was all, I mean, it was late enough the year we could do that because the roads were melted out, but it was early enough in the year, there's still a big snowbank on that north slope with this, uh, this ridge or mountain we were on. And, uh, we parked the, the

Jeep or the Bronco. And as we get out, and I'm young, I'm seven-ish years old or something like that, six, seven, eight. And we get out. And we get out. And we get out. And I'm a young, out and there are these impressions all up and down this slope. And I guess going from recollection, it's 200 yards long, maybe 300, just open slope or been logged and the snow was probably anywhere from inches deep to maybe a foot or two, where there's these huge impressions that went down and up like three or four times up and down this slope. It wasn't he people. They were melted out. And my dad's remind me as well, but it was just the location, the size of these melted out impressions in the snow. They are very consistent. I don't remember the stride length or whatever.

And again, you talked about deer earlier and they're post-hulling and jumping. A deer didn't jump all the way down the hill and jump back up and jump back down that hill three or four or five times. And these impressions of tracks, which again makes, doesn't make any sense to this day on what made them and why, but they just went up and down this big north slope snowbank three or four or five times. Like, we call a little bit. It was just, it was just, it was. It was. It was, it was, was weird. It was just they were big, big, melted out impressions in the snow. Someone didn't walk up and down that thing.

And if it was a big foot, why he walked up and down that thing, who knows. It's just something that's always really stuck in my mind. So what does that do to your thinking in that moment when you, like, were you freaked out or were you like, I have no idea what's going on? So that, and great question.

So when I was younger in that age at 6, seven, eight, and again, Roger Patterson and again, and that film coming out in 67, 68, it was because they had film and ran it all over the place. I was terrified of the woods, and I was, I spent, I loved going on the outdoors and camping with my dad.

So, uh, um, it didn't help. I had a tough time. Whenever we went out, we had a little, uh,

a little tent trailer, occasionally when we had tent camp, whatever. Um, I just, and I was, I had a tough times camping in the woods. Um,

the daylight, I was fine. Whenever started getting dark, I just, uh, I didn't say a tough time sleeping. So, So that experience there again, that's the only thing I could think of as Bigfoot.

So my dad's one of those naysayers and to this day, you know, he's, and I'll get into some stories here all, a little bit later, some of the areas that are like the Freeman location, all that. We've been a lot of time in that country for that case as well. My dad has never seen or experienced anything to even give him an inkling of belief. So even with those tracks, and we've talked about those in the past, he's, you know, he, He doesn't know what the heck they were. And obviously, at that point, he was in his mid-30s, whatever. But no, I was, I can't say I got any more scared, but I just kind of confirmed a little more that I can't sleep in that when I'm capping the woods. That's kind of what that came to.

Right. It took a long time to get over that. I bet, man. That's funny. Yeah. So, it is a definitive no by any means. But anyway, it's just, it's another one of those little memories of personal experience. It's just random.

And to this day, I really couldn't, it can't explain. Now, how big the snow field was. Again, I know it would have been right around June of 20, of that year of, again, around the 71. So just because of the snow conditions and all that. But it makes no sense to me what made tracks up and down that hill three or four times. And at this point, we'll never know.

But some things made more sense than others. So up in that same country, Three. So my stepbrother, Brian, my parents divorced and I was three. Dad got remarried a couple years later. And so my stepbrother Brian, they had some, I can't remember why, but they had some family, I think, relations up in the Yakima area, which same that Mount St. Helens, Mount Adams, and Yakima's were Roger Patterson, Bob, being both lived. Bob still. So somewhere right around the early 70s. There's a pass when you're coming from Oregon and having to cross, go cross country. You go through a big Indian reservation. You go over this. It's called Sadist Pass.

And that's not real high. It's 3,500 feet, whatever. And drop down the backside through the reservation. You hit a couple of communities to get to Yakma. So, and again, this is just from him. They're driving back in the dark. He's with his father. So this is after mom and his mother and his father had separated a divorce.

I think his mom and my dad. I might have been remarried by then. But they were coming back through that area at night. And I'm just looking at my notes, kind of refresh my memory on it. Late at night, driving back from Yakima, Portland, in that status past area, and something large crossed the road in front of two lakes. Wow. And once again, these are areas that aren't random.

These are all areas that have a history. And that's all it was. In the dark, young kids with their father and something on two lakes cross, Lakes crossed the road in the dark in front of them. And that's about all I got on that one. The best thing about these stories like this is that the people in these stories have nothing to gain by sharing these stories. Like they're not going to become famous or get tons of money.

Like they're just sharing, hey, this happened to me. And like there's thousands of these. Yeah, exactly. It's crazy. Yeah. And I'll even get a couple of those here. I've got twin brothers that are really good friends, but one can't tell the story to the other because the other one laugh at it. But we'll get to that in a bit.

And these are my best friends. But that's it. These stories have been shared with me just over the course of time, and most of them have never been shared beyond me. And so that is just because they're experiences that most of them really had spent more, they've spent no more time even thinking about them. So this kind of randomly. So moving forward up in that same Mount St. Helens, Mount Adams country. So another one now, again, I keep mentioning Mount St. Helens, Mount Adams. That's kind of the region I'm working on here.

But my grandpa grew up working at coal mines in Pennsylvania back when he's younger, moved out here, got married to my grandma, started their family, my dad, and then his sister, my aunt. but my my grandpa just he he loved hunting and fishing and and I'm talking you're talking now probably at 40s 50s 60s and there's a whole different world out here back then as it was it you know entire country in the entire world so but grandpa Pete loved to get out in the outdoors and I remember him telling me a story once and he did this he had we've he and I never talked bigfoot sauce squash whatever but he just told me a story this a little interesting he's hunting that from that same country. This is back in the early days, just like Bluff Creek in California, when that road

was finally being encroached on, taking the bulldozers in, building roads, logging, whatever. And I've heard things about like the Gifford Pitcham National Forest of Reminds, St. Helens, that there was a pamphlet put out, and this kind of relates, but a pamphlet put out to employees back in the 50-60s. You've ever encountered anything you can't explain, do not share it with anyone. something along those lines. Because this was, these are forests and mountains that were just starting to be, again, encroached on.

So not a lot of people, not a lot of roads, a lot of access. And logging is just starting to happen. And there have been for a trappers. Mineers out here for a hundred years prior to. So my grandpa was out hunting somewhere up in that country. Whether it's deer or elk, I don't know, most likely elk. And he,

the story you told, and he told me this story. 30, 40 years ago, but he's hunting and there's a, it's heavy timber, very heavily thick forested out here in this, in this part of the west. And, uh, he sees a bear. And we have a, we have a bunch of bears out here, a ton of black bears, hundreds of thousands. He sees the black bear. There's a little stream crossing with a log on it. So he's watching this bear and he's going to shoot it. And I'm kind of surprised because back in that day, they shot almost anything they could. And as the bears, and I don't know what the distance was, if he was 50 yards, or he has 200 yards,

It's heavy enough timber in that country. It probably wasn't half a mile out. It was reasonably somewhat within range of clothes. So he's watching this bear. And if I recall, correct them, my grandpa had an old 30-30 that did not have a scope on it, a magnification. He's just shooting iron side, so he's just looking at it eye-dye.

So this bear approaches this log, stands up on its hind legs, and walked across the log to go across the creek. And then after that, I had, whatever, dropped to all fours or whatever, but, you know, that's been thrown out there for years. like you saw a bear or whatever walking on its hind legs. Well, the bears don't tend to walk on hind legs.

And if a bear's approach in the log, he's on his all fours walking across. But that's just one story that always stuck with me. Like grandpa, Pete told me years ago. He wasn't thrown out there, I think, at a Bigfoot sighting. He's just saying it was kind of a weird thing you saw. Bears walk into the woods. He's looking at it. And he's shooting a lot of thing stands up on its high in legs.

And you hear stories of Bigfoot on all fours, typically more in a scurrying type of a man or whatever. It was just another story. We have one of all these stories of you. I've just some for the notes and for the record book. But it doesn't make sense. And again, he made no reference. He was from, he's that old school and worked in the woods a lot growing up.

I like working the mines back in the coal mines and all that comes out here. It worked for the county parched and spent a lot out of woods. He didn't say anything. It might have been a big foot. He just told me a story about a bear that stood on the sign. Links walked across the log across the creek. It's really weird. Yeah.

And so that's why I throw out of the issue. It makes no sense to me either, but what in the world? And he didn't make it up. Yeah, why? I mean, there's no reason he would he would make that up. Right. So it was just a random story he told and what the, what the, what the, what even got him onto that topic.

And again, this is going back. He's passed away a number of years ago now. So on whatever, whatever he brought that subject up. I don't even recall, but that was what he had for me. So, uh, and again, up in that same area, um, this is going back to shoot 45ish years. now. And this is, this could have been a bear or whatever, but there's a group of lakes that there's a bunch of lakes. There's actually a bunch of lakes, real popular camping and fishing. Again, this Indian heaven country, which is between Mount St. Helens and Mount Adams. Neat, beautiful country, a lot of

volcanic history and all that. We were up there one evening, my dad, my stepmother, my stepmother, and sister. And I got up kind of on a log landing, another kind of an older clear cut. And I heard it moan in the distance. And now I've heard a lot of bears moan. And, you know, I've heard a lot of bears moan. They're pretty vocal sometimes as well. And this could have very well been a black bear. But I'm, again, we're up in some of the more active, I guess, are historically, uh, active, uh, big foot areas. And I went run back my dad, because I kind of walked away from where he parked at the end of this

trail or at the end of this road and kind of got out of the edge of this, uh, log landing. It was, it was late in the evening. It was probably the last half hour of daylight. And again, this is, again, this is an experience of mine, very anecdotal. I have no idea. It could, what it was. It wasn't a, there was a, no, this wasn't an elk or nothing. It was just a moan.

And I was a young kid back then, again, very scared of Bigfoot, very into Bigfoot. We heard this just as moan off in the distance. It's just kind of a bellowing, echoing moan. And you go running back to my dad about 50 yards away. And you hear that? Then we heard it once again. So again, as I put together my notes, so to speak, of stories and experiences and whatever, this one I just added to.

It was a long time ago. I had not been, I wasn't so wilderness and outdoors. savvy back then. But it was just a moan to this day and knowing what a bear sounds like on they're making, they make some of their mating moans. And so they make, they make, the only thing I could have think it was outside of anything else, it could have been a bear moaning in the evening. It's just communication, whatever. Um, but the sound I remember hearing, it wasn't, it was allowed. It echoed enough because, um, it could, it was a distance away. It wasn't a scream by any means, just a moan. Uh, yeah, it heard twice. And, uh, you know,

the hill and what it was again it could have very easily been a bear that again my recollection that i don't remember it sounding like what i typically have heard from bears in the forest and the noises that made out of the years but that's all i've got on that i can't tell you one way or the other what i actually heard wasn't a person wasn't an elk or a deer or anything else but yeah yeah so i'm not a guaranteed aren't thing big for society will be right back after these messages I take one's daily Jardians at each day start. And for adults with type 2 diabetes and known heart disease, Jardians can lower the risk of cardiovascular death too.

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Did you need 15 seconds away from music or 15 seconds to eat or Reese's? Perhaps it's true. Everything happens for a Reese's. So that being said, a little north of that, the Cascade Mountain Range, which runs from British Columbia, Canada, down through Oregon, then it does kind of become the Sierra Nevada as you get into California. The Cascades have a lot of history up and down them.

And they're a rugged mountain range for the most part. A lot of volcanoes are on an edge of a tectonic plate. Some friends of ours, well and Julie, I'll call them, which is that isn't an name. Yeah. Okay. And that's as far as we go there, and it doesn't matter. Right.

And this is just a random thing, too. Someone asked, going back just a couple years ago, maybe four, five, six years ago, someone says, you need to talk about to Will about their experience. And it's not like I go out there trolling for information from friends and acquaintances, or wife and I and a lot of friends and family or social get out about it. But you've got to talk to Will. So next time we saw Will. In his and Julie's early days, and I don't have a specific time.

I would say this is probably in the 90s, roughly. they were up in the I can't remember exactly what pass. You have a couple major passes in Washington go from the Seattle-Tacoma area over to Yakima, heading to Spokane and all that. I think it'll still call me pass,

but I can't be 100% sure. But they had a truck and a camper and pulled over at this pass one night. And again, up in this country, even recently, there's a lot of activity. So they're in the camper. And there's a little gap between the, the, the truck and the camper. And again, how much?

It could have been a couple inches, whatever. In the middle of the night, there's something reaching between their camper and the cab of the truck pickup. It's rummaging around in there. And they can tell by how far as reaching it. Those are reaching in a long, long ways between the cab of the pickup and the camper. And woke them both up. and I wonder what the heck who's strung around with this, but it was it was just kind of ominous and eerie enough for them

that they just kind of held tight. And again, I'm kind of filling in the blanks here. I can't recall it all the exact details. So in the morning, Will goes out there, and he finds long red hairs. And he said they're long, and they stalk. And he's told me, he says, I've got them in an envelope somewhere.

I don't remember where they're at. And I want to go, I got to go dig him out sometime. But just long red hair, something digging in there between the camper and the cab of the truck and long hair, red, stinky red hairs as a result of it. But that being said, just that story alone made him a believer.

And I didn't talk with his wife, Juliet at time. They're together, not that that matters. But anyway, just another one of those little story things that just kind of randomly, hey, you've got to talk to Will about this story.

And that's a story. And all of a sudden, he's a believer in Bigfoot. That one is really interesting. Yeah. Man. You said he held on to him or? Yeah, he's got hairs. And then he'll go up somewhere. I had this conversation with him. It was a couple years ago now. I went four, five, six years ago. I can't recall.

And we're friends or acquaintances. This is not like we hang out, buddy, buddy. I haven't seen her talk to him in probably a year or two. But I had told him, I said, go find that hang in float. But whether he ever has or not. And he's, yeah, he's got his trials and tribulations of life just like all of us, I guess. So it's probably, it's just, again, one of those people who probably had just that one particular experience in the counter and we'll never forget it. But move on with life as well. But if Will does happen to find the envelope with the hair, there is a rock and bigfoot DNA study that's happening down in North Carolina state.

Really? I believe it's North Carolina state. And they are taking all sorts of evidence. It was announced today at Smoky Mountain. Okay. All message. Yeah. That's interesting. That's, hey, they will.

the favorite commercial dress that envelope. But yeah, I'm kind of curious as well. It's, yeah. Yeah.

So anyway, like said, that's the extent of that story, but still, it's intriguing. Again, moving on. So I mentioned earlier,

my stepbrother Brian, who had one, him and his bad, and I think, and sister with something cross the road between Yakma and Portland years ago,

whatever. But his, his older son, and I forgot about this one, but, and he just threw this at me randomly. several years ago as well. But his friends, parents, think they hit one with their car. And I don't

exactly what or where or whatever. I don't know. And again, it's just a random conversation my nephew and I had several years ago. But they live up in the, they're all up in this kind of the Seattle metropolitan area for the most part. But my friends, parents think they hit one with the car once. That's kind of, that's like a huge statement to grow out. Like, I, I, I mean, I would love to try to talk to him. Like, that's wild. And who, and who is friend? How much I question one?

It's not like I'm trying to get all the details. I got to go there tomorrow and, and, and, uh, review the location, even if it was 25 years old or whatever. I, you know, it's, uh, I can't remember. I don't even, I really, honestly, I don't even remember that conversation outside of, I've just kept these notes over the years and all of a sudden that came up. So that topic. So, um, who the friend was, where it happened.

How long ago it happened? I don't know. I mean, after all this. After we have this follow-up with any details, you want me to try and gather a glean for you. I'll do what I can. Can't guarantee it on a thing. But, you know, who knows, maybe I get all the Creighton's buddies, friends, or parents, and you can talk with them.

I feel like if you're going to say, yeah, we're pretty sure we hit a big code with our car, you probably have more details. Like, that's not just a sure sentence that you would throw out without having more stuff. the back. And that's interesting. Yeah. So whether the, whether the, Creighton's friend was with the parents and he was there when it happened. And then the friend said, hey, Creighton, I think we had a Bigfoot last night.

And then Creighton years later tells me, Uncle Rick, that my friends, parents think they hit a big foot. So I don't know how, you know, how, how stuff was. They didn't make it up. And the Creighton's friend didn't make that up to him. But again, that's all I've got for you at the moment. Wild. then finally as far as Mount St. Helens country goes, Mount St. Helens, Mount Adams. There's another gentleman that's prone to it, but really stays below the radar here.

A gentleman by the name of Joe Beelart. I was like, he's going to say Belart. He totally is because Oregon Bigfoot Highway is such a good book. Yeah. Actually, I haven't seen it yet. I want to get it. And Cliff, I've got a couple places and get it, but I want Joe to sign it for me. Yeah, you've got personally as opposed because I think Cliff has them signed by Joe,

but I don't want to get one signed anonymously. I want to hold Joe's hand on signs the name thing for me. So anyway, that being said, I haven't seen that bit. So years ago, and heck, I'm looking now, heck, this is back in 06, I guess. So 17 years ago, it doesn't seem that long. But I've been in a communication with Joe and Cliff back then. And I'm not buddy, buddy with these guys, just random emails back of the days. I've met them both on a couple different occasions over the years.

But yeah, back in 06, and it's probably the winter of 05, early 06, as emailing with Joe, it might have been before even Facebooks, because we're friends on Facebook too. But Joe goes, hey, says, how would you like to be involved in a campout? This is a skookum cast. You're familiar skookum cast. Oh, yeah. So, and again, how many listeners are right now?

I don't know, but hopefully tons. Yeah. 10. So, and this is right after, so Skookumcast must have been 0,4, 05 maybe. I remember the exact year, but it was prior to this. So, because I've dated here of June of 06. But, uh, because that's when I was up there, or we were up there.

So, so the previous winter, Joe's, hey, how'd you like to be part of a Bigfoot camp? I'm so, oh, cool. Well, give me your address. So he's, so a couple days later, I get, I get this mailing. It is a pamphlet. It's an envelope about an inch thick. I go, what the heck did Joe B. I started this. And this was like a disclaimer. It was on and on and on. And what they're trying to do is kind of create some kind of a habituation of near Skooka Meadows for the summer. And they wanted people to occupy the specific camp spot throughout all summer long. And in different groups, if you can commit two days, three days, a whole week, whole month, whatever, but they just wanted to have a continual occupation of this campsite. So once I started reading this documentation, we had two young boys then in a young chocolate lab.

And I was reading, I said, oh, crap, they want us to go up there alone. That doesn't be a big shindig of 5, 10, 15, 20. Bigfoot enthusiasts. Oh, no, we got to go up to Skooker, Metals, and camp out by ourselves. Oh, crap, honey. So we ended up doing it. And at a great time. And actually, I mentioned I've got some photos, some things there, but there's another gentleman.

Do you know Rick Knoll? Does that ring a bell? Yeah, dude. Well, I don't. I've never met Rick Knoll, but I know how he's involved with. Things, yeah, totally. So we go up to Skook and Meadows, like I said, and this would have been in the winter that we were making these arrangements to participate. So we picked a, that's like a four or five-day window.

I came to be how long ago up there took our trailer up and had the specific spot to go camp and all that. Gated road behind, had my mountain bike, had the young lab, chuffet lab, had my boys who were 17 years ago, so like seven and five, I guess. And we fiddled farted around for a couple days. Went out, did some wood knock and all that. And, but right up behind our camp, up a logging road, there's a lot of old logging history up there. And right up behind camp, you go 100, 200 yards up. It's gated and probably 100 yards from camp on the road, off the main forest road that we camped. There's this very rough copy of a sign there with a rough sketching of a big foot, I guess you want to call it.

And I can't share with you now, but it's something that I've got to. I've got it right here. Historical Bigfoot activity zone, and underlined and bold letters be aware. So I go riding up behind camp, and all of a sudden there was a sign there. And she decided to go give wife and get the kids come up and I took a picture.

And all this is really pretty cool. So I knew we were in the right, we were camping in the right spot anyway. So one of, I think our last morning, there was a road that kind of continued to the east, for more we camped. And took the young lab out,

had to go. We went out early in the morning, everyone still crashed out. And we probably went about two miles up. This is a good gravel road. It goes right up along scoica meadows. I don't have two miles. It's gated.

And there's a seasonal gate. It can open and close. So a dog and I go up there. Then we got up to a side road. And I love exploring. Again, there's a lot of Elps sign up in there. I just, you know, always thinking of hunting. I don't love to kill, but I love to hunt and pursue and be out there.

So we took this little side gravel road and went up there a little ways, half mile shown us getting the point where we're about ready to turn around. The pup, she's, I don't know, she's five, six, seven months old and just full of pea and vinegar and energetic and bouncing all over. So we've been gone an hour or so, hour and a half, and go up the side gravel road. It's all flat. It's just kind of a high valley, skook of meadows there, meadows. and meadows and swampy stuff all around. And they go up the side road and there's a little cut bank on the right hand side of the road.

As we're wandering through there, I look up on it and I go, you've got to be crap. I didn't say crap, but you're going to be crap. And up on the side hill, this is cut bank, maybe five or six feet tall. There's this impression. You couldn't see the heel side of it so much, but the upper front port part, there's an impression, uh, 70 inches wide with toe indentations on it. One flat impression walking to this cut bank going up. And I go, you. So, uh, had my, had my phone with me. I think it was a phone. Might have been a, who knows, it could have been digital camera, probably was digital camera.

Uh, put my foot next to it, took a couple pictures and all. And my, my young lab, she's bouncing all over the place. I'm, I'm getting a little tick. I didn't bring a leash for her because weren't about nowhere. It didn't be leash. She didn't get more than 10, 20 feet for me, but she's just jumping all over up and down my legs. And I'm afraid, scared it is she's going to jump on this. And this impression was, um, it was like it was on wet, a wet substrate or, you know, wet kind of a hill in it now is bone dry. It's again, this is probably in June.

And it was pretty, it was not a fresh, fresh impression had been there for a while, but it was soft enough that this impression had been made there with that look like, I mean, you can count five toes on it. Um, and you just see the forefront of it, again, that just kind of the way the look, the way the, the impression. was the back side didn't leave a whole lot. And I said, you gotta be getting me. This, I thought it was like a dang big foot track walking up this embankment, one step, and then up on top of the fat bank. And dog's bouncing all over. I'm trying to take a picture and she's jumping around

because all she wants to do is love and play and jump on you. So it took a few pictures of my foot next to it. Then we bailed out of there and made our two, two and a half mile track back to the camp. told my wife about it and I had some casting material but it was just far enough away and I question it there are some things about the track I wondered about and I just went on it so I got back home

that night the following day emailed Joe B. Lart sent a picture he was holy crap and I had heard of Rick Knoll's name I'd never met it before and didn't heard a whole lot he's one of those guys again kind of under the radar so we made arrangements two weeks later to meet Rick Knoll up there. And this in the middle of the Gifford Pinchill National Forest, it's actually, I mean, of all the time we'd spend up there, we'd seen like two vehicles and four or five days of camping up there. It doesn't get a whole lot of traffic. So wife and I went up there like on a Thursday or Friday and met Rick up there and walked in there. Well, there'd been some thunderstorms. It's not summer thunderstorms up there. And I told him, I was a little concerned. Now he's coming from the Seattle area and he didn't seem to be as concerned. I said, man, I know we got some

pretty good thunderstorms and some pretty good showers out of them. I didn't think it'd be an issue. Well, we make the stroll back up in that area. And again, it's roughly. Like I said, it's all good growl. Forest Rooters is gated. And as we got back up in there. In addition to that, there's a lot of growth there, some of the mountain.

Lupin, which is a cool flowering plant, some other stuff. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. I take one's daily Jardians at each day start. And for adults with type 2 diabetes and known heart disease, Jardians can lower the risk of cardiovascular death too. Prescription Jardians, Empiglphlosin, 10 or 25 milligram tablets, are used to lower blood sugar along with diet and exercise and adults with type 2 diabetes. Jardians is not for use to lower blood sugar in people with type 1 diabetes and not for people with type 2 diabetes who have severe kidney disease. Serious side effects include increased ketones in blood or urine and infection between. between and around the anus and genitals. Both may be fatal.

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Mmm. That sound seems to show. Everything happens for a recess. So as we got to that cut, I guess I can swear this where it was. And you can maybe see a little impression, the little definition where I thought this might have been it. And Rick was up there. He's walking around. He walked up on the cut bank and looked back in there and all that.

He is telling us all his stuff and tell us some about some of the different tracking methods that are kind of cutting edge back then. Some different things are playing with, whatever. And but again, it's just that what I saw the two weeks previous and I was there, we just could not find it. Well, I took pictures of what I thought was it. And as I came back home compared the pictures, yeah, we were the exact same location where that impression was just the rain from two weeks earlier. And again, one of the little plants there, a little loop, and it went from this to like five or six inches back home. So it was the same exact plant. They'd grown.

It was the same thing as just the thunderstorms, the summer thunderstorms had just come up, you know, Who knows you can a half inch or two of rain in a short period of time, then that happens. So we were right there. Just there was nothing for him to really see outside of the photos I'd take a few weeks ago. But I said Joe Beeler wasn't excited enough to send Rick Null up there to meet with it. But just, you know, summer thunderstorms kind of ruined it. And exactly what it was. I don't know.

I'll say to the pictures sometime, but it's. Yeah, that would be awesome. And you have pictures of the sign too? Yeah. Oh, that would be so cool. So was this after? So this would have been asked. Okay, the Skookum cast was cast in September of 2000.

Okay. So this is like a few years after that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I knew it was after I didn't. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, but six years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's really, that's such an interesting story, Rick. Like, way to. So I had to jump the Joe, the Joe Beeler name. That's odd.

Dude, that's an amazing like, talk about my being involved with Rick Null. And that's for Bigfoot history. That's really cool. Yeah, he didn't seem to be too terribly impressed with it all, but the fact that he just kind of missed the boat by two weeks. And again, I don't know what I found there, but yeah, when you see the pictures, you might. How close to the, did you, were you aware of where the site of the actually skukum cast?

I'm pretty sure. I think we were with, in less than a mile, I think was the road slightly to the south of where we would have driven by. as we were really close on it and we were we were a camp right next to the meadows so so where that that that cast was made was not in scooka meadows is on you know off the side of the road nearby but i'm thinking i'm thinking where we were camped it was all triangulation-wise was all right that's amazing that's such a cool cool story yeah it was just kind of like said it's uh joe blyard connects and all said okay that's cool joe we're in with joe bilar that he says

this thing and we got to camp by herself we're not part of a big camping group but Okay, great. Whatever. We survived. There you go. And I may have found a track. So I've got plenty more here. Are you still with me?

I'm still with you, dude. I mean, dude, I've been doing this for five years. I'm still, you know. So I'm going to switch regions now. All right. This goes to the northeast Oregon, southwest or southeast Washington, the Wiena Hut, two-canon wilderness area. This is Paul Freeman Country.

Yeah, dude. And the Mill Creek Watershed. And again, I'll go as chronologically as I can with this, most of this pretty much. So first of all, the Mill Creek watershed is the watershed for the city of Walla Walla. And Paul Freeman, they've patrolled it for decades to see people out of the Mill Creek watershed. And water pured, you know, whatever. And Walla Walla is not a huge town. My name means it's grown tremendously in the last generation or so.

But they just protected it like crazy. Yeah, yeah. And Paul Freeman was a, the, what they, they have water watershed patrollers. So it's, it's close to public entry, the watershed is. And it's a, it's a hole. It's, they give out elk tags in the straddles, Oregon, Washington border. They give it elk tags, which are very highly coveted elk tags, because they just gave out of few. So the elk and grow, the bulls in there grow big mature because they're, they're lightly hunted.

No one's in there bugging them all year. You have like five or seven days out of the year that they have these hunts in there. and they're very difficult tags to get. Again, they just allow a handful of hunters in there. So it's just a coveted tag. People sneak in to poach because these big mature bull elk to hang out in there. And so they've got these patrol riders at spot and scopes.

They ride horses through the watershed. They patrol the boundary. That's just big rugged country. You get along the upper perimeter of this, the canyon drops off like that. It's 60-70. I've always joke, you don't want to drop your bowling ball out here because you'll never get it back, right?

And it drops, these canyons drop two or three thousand feet deep. It's just a big, beautiful country. And obviously, what an ideal area for anything to live and not be bothered. So Paul Freeman was one of the watershed patroller, a Forest Service employee, watershed patroller. And this is where he had the siding while he was employed by the forest ship. See, he may not have been on duty that day. I don't recall exactly or a couple of times he's had encounters or sightings, whatever.

But fortunately, I got to grow up. So where the watershed is on the cross the road from there is this big, well, area is one of the first wilderness areas in Oregon, though we know how to can in wilderness. Once again, no roads. It's open to public entry, but it's by trail only. You can't take bikes in there. You can take a chainsaw. You can you can hike it or ride by bikes.

And again, very rugged country, this beautiful, awesome country. And there's just a bunch of history if they're big foot. So, and I was fortunately because that's where my dad was hunting back in the days. He had applied for that Mill Creek watershed tag in about every 10, 12 years you get the tag down in the Mill Creek watershed. And my uncle had horses. And if they weren't hunting in this watershed, they were hunting over in the wilderness on horses. They'd pack in eight or ten miles in the middle of the wilderness and said, I was just fortunate being back in my early days on. And I got to go hunting this very remote, pristine country in Northeast Oregon.

So some friends of my grandparents, Gene and Zola Howard, and again, this is going back decades. The watershed rider back, and I'm looking, this must have been in the 70s, is a guy by the name of Red. And then this is this is kind of a secondhand story from this Gene and Zola that they told my dad when he was younger than my dad told me. But Gene would be in the hunt-trouthing Zola haunted. But they knew Red, the watershed writer from Mill Creek Watershed. And this red told, I'll kind of, this is kind of verbatim, I guess, more or less. But this red told Gene more as he goes, he lives there. This is in the Mill Creek Watershed talking about Bigfoot.

He lives there. We know each other. It says, I don't bother him. He doesn't bother me. Wow. So that's coming from the 70s, Mill Creek Watershed. Now, that being said, siding's up there, Mill Creek Watershed, and they can climb up out of the watershed and cross the road and be into these other wilderness areas, big remote

canyons and whatever. And that's where there's been sightings back and forth over the years. Again, the watershed is not open to public entries. Unless you're a watershed patrol rider, you're accessing almost year around outside of the deep snow winter months. So anyway, yeah, that was that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, that was, what Red had to say. What happened to Red to make him say that? Like that's... Oh, I... And you... And you...

And you... And I... And you... And again, this Gene and Zola, and again, Jean and Zola were my grandparents' friends that lived up outside of Washerul, Washington. Yeah. And Gene, I think, was more than 100.00 was my grandfather. So, yeah, what caused or created that... Yeah. That conversation back in the 70s between Gene and Red, the Waterstead Rider, I have no idea. Um, because I'm going to throw a couple other stories at you. encounters and experiences and talking in conversations with these most recent watershed patrollers. Oh, okay.

It will totally negate anything you have to say about it, but we'll get to those. So that's why it was a good thing we're kind of doing this region by region. So anyway, that was what Redhead said to say. We know each other. I don't bother him. He doesn't bother me. Later on in 1979, roughly, October 79, which would have made me 15. And so, again, my uncle had horses, him and my father were hunting fire.

or hunting buddies. So we'd drive into this remote little campground on the edge of the wilderness. Then we'd take horses in. Roughly eight to 10 miles. High Ridge is a good, just a tree. Very few people back there. You had the whole,

you had a wilderness area. I wouldn't say to yourself because Elkhund was pretty popular back then. Anyone could get a tag, but still is just kind of unique kind of experience. And here I am a teenager getting an opportunity to go back in there. So there's a canyon back in there. And I, I hesitate to name it.

So I won't. because I have another story that kind of follow along. But to get back in the wilderness, one of the canyons, we get back in there on this long ridge, and you had some canyons. Then these canyons are holes. Again, you don't want to drop your bowling ball back there. But my father and I hunched down in the bottom of this one canyon one day. And as we were, you don't go in the bottom of these canyons unless you really ought to.

Because once you get the bottom, you have to get your butt out back to cany. Right. It's not forgiving country. It's beautiful. And I was a young kid back then. I'd love to go out there these days just to see it from my perspective and age now, because I haven't been in there in probably 30 plus years. But anyway, this particular canyon, we get in the bottom of it.

And again, we're elk hunting. And as we're working up the bottom, there's game trails and stuff. And we're working up the bottom. And all of a sudden we get to an area. It's getting to mid-afternoon, whatever. Weather's really nice for, this is late October, too, when the elk seasons are. in the bottom, and all of a sudden we get to a spot where we're going to start climbing back out of the canyon. And I'm talking a good hour high, I can probably closer to two because it's just a nonstop grind climbing up out of there.

And we get to a point in the bottom where all of a sudden all the game sign, Elk sign in particular, but there's all kinds of other stuff from there too. But all of a sudden it's just the trails just kind of, even though there's just like no sign and it became just dead quiet. And I remember to this day and my dad made the same comment back then, it was just an eerie. again you're in the bottom of a canyon where the bottom the walls on both sides are growing up where in the bottom of this canyon it just became just an eerie feel down there

and again this will play into another story here in a bit um and dad made no birds it just no life was just kind of an eerie dead quiet silent canyon bottom and uh

and then we'd proceed to climb out and that was it. But I just remember that because it was just, I've never been so tuned in to know, I think that something's watching me or whatever, and whether it's my wife or a Bigfoot or a cougar or whatever, I've never had those sense of the whole thing. But we're in the bottom of there and it's just, it was just weird. It was just a weird, dead, calm, silent canyon bottom. So we climbed out of there and that then said that's really kind of the end of that. So a year later, we're back in that same country, again, the end of October. This has been roughly, I think,

1980. And this canyon is probably four or five, six miles long. It's just kind of from the headwaters where the drainage starts. It's just kind of works us way way down to the river. But we were up at the upper end of the drainage on a pack trail. And we're hiking out one day. And we got to the head and we had a breeze kind of coming up that drainage. And we had a section there where we had like an ungodly smell. And it was midday, the thermals and all that, the air is starting to get warm up, is warming up and rising, but as it's working its way up, that drainage, we're going to a little patch of timber, some open hill size, and we got to a section there where it just, it was just a deathly stinking stench. There's elk hunters in there. Someone could have killed an elk down on that little patch of

timber below us a couple hundred yards, and a couple days later, the guts and whatever might have been getting rotten and it might have been, but it might have been just working its way up with that afternoon breeze or whatever. I don't know, but I just always remember that stench coming out the same canyon that we had this little eerie experience down deeper the previous year. So, what it was we smelled. I don't know. The thing is, as we walked, we went through about a 50 yard, maybe a hundred yard section of this trail, and all of a sudden we're out of that. So we were within the cone of whatever was the cost of this odor. We just kind of went to the, cone and walk through it within a minute or two and then you're out of it. But it was just kind of

stomach hurt. It very easily could have been an elk that someone had harvest down there and clean and then we were just smelling what left because body parts don't think smell real good if they've been sitting out in the sun or now aging for a couple years, especially if they're outside of your body. So, so yeah, just the stench, the strong smell of the head of that canyon. Roughly 10 years later, we're hunting the same general area in the wilderness. and my dad heard tree knocking. You know, we'd split up. He was on a side canyon.

So this is roughly October again, elk season of 1990. And just a continual, he and I were separated by a mile. I think I'd made a hunt around into another canyon working my way back to up to where I'd meet him. And he's on this little side canyon, kind of a brushed tree, little timber canyon again, that's all the wilderness area. And I heard chop, and he said, it sounded like someone cut in wood. Just continue to chop. Chop, chop. And it was off and on.

It was kind of, I don't remember if there was a cadence to it or whatever. And, but it was a wood knocking type of sound. And it wasn't an area there was anyone camped or cut in firewood. And I think right before got to my dad, he was, as he's working away, his way kind of up into this drainage, this timber drainage. He saw a bull elk down there, kind of coming from the same area where the shopping sand was coming from. but elk when they do bang trees with their antlers

especially not any bulls do they knock the velvet off late in the summer during the route when they're in their rating season in September, early October they will they will rake trees and all that

but they don't chop. They don't chop chop. They scrape and rabble their antlers like crazy. So this sound this chopping went on

for quite a while whenever you hear about wood knocking you don't hear about repetitive knocking for hours. an hour or so. So it's just, we heard, he heard wood knocking that lasted off and on for an hour. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. But I manage it well. It's a little pill with the big story to tell. I take once daily Jardians at each day start.

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sensations and then what not being. It's very weird. Yeah. All of that same area over 10 years. Yeah. Well, and for decades prior to and obviously decades after there's been, you know, sightings and stories and encounters coming out of there.

So I just, again, there's a piece of the puzzle. Like, yeah, I don't have a specific answer for any of them. But I do have actually a little better answer. Cut into all that. So it was right around, it might have been that. same year, it might have been a year after we were hunting deer in southeast Oregon. I see my picture, gloaming in now, I don't know that you've seen in that side. It's not that big deal.

There's a highly coveted deer tag in southeast Oregon called the Trout Creek Mountains. Rifle deer tag takes about 12 to 15 years ago. It's all high desert. It's 5, 6, 7, 8,000 foot desert country, aspens and all that stuff, not Bigfoot country, even though it's near the Darbridge in Nevada, which has some history as well. but the thing is, there's an ironic meeting. Again, this is right around the same time. So, Dad and I are down there hunting.

Again, it was either, it was around 89, 90, 91. Again, it would probably be in early October, where Elf seasons are late October. The deer seasons are typically like the first week of October. And we're driving around. It gets to be midday. It's getting pretty hot out. We pull over and all of a sudden,

I can't remember this rig was parked there, and we drove up on them or we were parked in there, drove on us. And all of a sudden, well, here pops out these two good old, good old boys. And I'm talking, heck, we're talking 33 years ago. We're out. A couple good old boys. Well, we started talking to them, and they live up in the Pendleton, Milton Freewater area,

which is right up there on the edge of the Blue Mountains, which is the Mill Creek watershed. We had a haunted wilderness. So we start chit chatting with them and find out their cattle ranchers. I remember if they're cattle rashes or wheat ranchers or what. So they start talking about that country up there and they hunt up in that country. My dad goes, and is they're saying in the story? I go, hell. So my dad pipes in.

He goes, well, that's where he honson been hunting up there for 30 years in the wilderness. So I remember this one almost verbatim as well. So all of a sudden, one of those cowboys. And these guys, so 33 years ago, my dad would have been in his mid-50s. These guys are probably 70-ish. And all of a sudden, one of the guys kind of stops. It kind of tilts his head and asks my dad, you ever see anything in the, there. And so my dad kind of, I caught me off guard this old cowboy saying this. And we're out in

the high desert of southeast Oregon. We're 200 miles from Bigfoot country. And he just kind of stepped forward. Do you ever see anything in there? Weird or something? And my dad kind of takes a second and goes, you mean Bigfoot? And again, my dad's not a believer by any means, but just how he even responded that way, I expect he probably would, especially with a question like that being asked. Yeah. And so the guy goes on a tell us, and they talk, they know Paul Freeman, both these ranchers. He's done some work with their rashes over the years. So it's just kind of big, old, easygoing, happy, go lucky guy. And said that they had been approached back in those days by some researchers of some sort.

I don't remember specific. I mean, they were big for research about what their credentials were, I don't recall. So I can't remember both the cowboys or one of them had, but they had contact or they had been in touch with these cowboys, they're this cowboy slash cowboys, wanted them to take these researchers into the way not on two can in wilderness. So one of the cowboys did take them in and took them into the canyon I was referring to earlier where I had this weird, this weird,

eerie sensation. My dad and I were heard the, their smell of the stench the year later. They took these researcher guys into the bottom of that canyon. Coincidentally. And then I remember this is the word for word thing. The cowboy looks at my dad. and says, as sure as I'm standing here, that thing exists.

Wow. So this is, like I said, some 70-year-old cowboy dude from the Blue Mountains that we meet in the high desert of Oregon that has taken researches into the bottom of this canyon in the wilderness. And it sure as I'm standing here, that thing exists. So probably one of the more interesting stories I've got. They said they found tracks. It looked like family of three, a large track, a smaller track, and then a smaller track. It said it looked like the small one and the big one got into a major bout. Ground torn to heck.

Just rototilled. But I also remember the cowboy saying there was there was poop feces there. And he goes, for some reason, those researchers didn't take a sample. Man, this is crazy, right? Because I'm like, this is where I know someone in the comments is going to be like, come on, Jeremiah, that was totally this researcher and this research. Put it in the comments so I can know. And again, this was right around 1990. So we're talking, obviously, a while back.

And when that experience or encounter happened where this cowboy took these researchers in to the way not to Canada wilderness and went in the bottom of the canyon, I don't know how far previously. And I can't remember when, let me see, Paul Freeman had his sighting or his first encounter, at least like an 83ish, I think. Yeah, well, it was year close. It was June 82, year while, while. Yeah, so pretty much. So, and I'll get to that too because I've camped at D-Duct Springs many of times. But anyway, like I said, this is just this random encounter. We meet a couple of old cotter cowboys out in the high desert, and it ends up as sure as I stand to hear, that thing exists.

That's amazing. Yeah. Wow. And that's, I mean, word for word. I remember that. So now, who are the guys were? And then the conversation swayed from there. And then they had deer tags that took them 10, 12, 15 years ago.

We had deer tags. Took as equally as long. And then, hey, guys, that's the luck. And that was basically the end of our conference. conversation of meetings. That's incredible. Yeah. So fast forward.

I had a special elk tag up in that country a couple times now. Probably 10 years ago, 11 years ago. And we met a couple that live up Milk Creek. So you have the Mill Creek watershed where it comes out of the watershed area that's close to public entry. It drains, I don't know, runs 15 miles until it hits the Walla Walla River, near the town of Walla. I think it hits the Walla River. It could be a Tusha River, too.

But Mill Creek, as it leaks comes out of as you leave the town of Walla Walla, and start heading up into the foothills of the Blue Mountains, it wanders. It goes along the Washington side, then it kind of winds up into, or winds down into Oregon, and then curls back up into the watershed. And we met a couple. I won't go on all the details how we met them, but that lived right. right on Mill Creek, probably within five miles of the watershed. And they live right on the creek.

We had mutual friends that were so random. It was kind of silly. And we're sitting on this cool little creek in early fall 10 years ago, eaten watermelon, had a beer or two. And the topic, Bigfoot comes up because they live, he's a dirt bike. He's a dirt bike. And they ride their quads all around the,

on the roads between the watershed and the wilderness. Huh? Wendy. Yeah, Mark and Wendy. So, so. So one evening we're down at their house along Milk Creek, and it's a warm evening. And I said it's probably, it's probably early to mid-September now.

So it's not too late in the year. But nice getting cold. The days are getting warm still. And the topic of Bigfoot comes up. And Mark, who owned a local motorcycle dealership in Walla Walla. I have type two diabetes, but I manage it well. It's a little bill with the big story to tell. I take once.

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They say everything happens for a reason, but I suspect everything happens for a Reese's. Like this commercial break. Did you need 15 seconds away from music or 15 seconds to eat or Reese's? Perhaps it's true. Everything happens for a Reese's. And his wife, silly and goofy, neat yow. He's not a believer. She's a believer.

Now, again, we're talking this roughly 10 years ago. So Mark is not a believer, but he told us a story. And they've got a couple acres. The gravel road that goes up Mill Creek and takes you up into the forest, splits their property. So their house is on one side along the creek side, then across the property, they've got an acre or two. He's got some big boulders and some humsy, ride his dirt bikes,

and there's all kinds of crazy stuff there. So he said a number of years early, and I can't remember how. how many years earlier. They were out there one evening, early 2000. And it's kind of brushing timbery. And as you get up across the creek across the property, it starts, the hill climbs up. This probably goes 1,500 feet up.

It's all south facing slope and slow enough elevation. It's all pretty much open, grassy hillside for the most part. You get the sun hits it. It's hot and dry in that part of the state, especially during the summers. And there's little brushy drainage and draws that come down. But down along the lower part, there's quite a bit of timber. So again, this is Mark, the husband, who's not a believer. He says in the evening, and again, I don't have a ton of specifics on it.

Again, roughly early 2000s, a deer came running down off the hill through the trees and comes flying right by them. And he runs across their property. And they look up in the trees where the deer came from. And which is just to the north. They caught a glimpse of what looked like a chimpanzee. And that's again, as I'm looking, no, it says he's not a believer. to this day he questions what they saw. And I can't remember if wife Wendy saw the same thing or not.

But I said wife, Wendy's a believer. He's not. But he told me that one story. This deer comes flying across. There's a lot of deer down. There's a lot of white tail deer in the lower elevations. You got mule deer up higher. Most likely it's a white tail.

Who knows? But the thing came just flying across. They look up where it came from and it looks like a chimpanzee. Small. Some fat is really weird. And he's not a believer. But he saw a chimpanzee. Wow, Rick.

I don't know. Nice. A couple more than I'm going to move on to local stuff. You still with me? I'm still here. I'm here, man. I'm as well as I like sharing this stuff. It's pretty cool.

This is the stuff you can't find in books and this is not if I love. I don't think he can find it in books, right, Rick? No, no, definitely not. Only big book. I'll see the only book ever. It's called Nextel spreadsheet. Hey, there you go. With this stuff.

So up in that same country, this is one of the personal experience. There's a cool little lake up there called Jubilee Lake. And we went camping up there. This is 08. July 5th, 08. And my wife actually came across some pictures we're looking at today. So I keep saying my boys, our boys, 16, 15 years ago. So nine years old and seven roughly.

We went out when morning we had 22 rifles and went out just, just target shooting. I mean, they're getting young. I want them to get every little experience you can. being in the outdoors and go and shoot a 22, it's kind of a ride a passage. So we went south of Jubilee Lake, a couple miles. And again, this whole area up there from Jubilee to deduct and the whole Blue Mountains has a ton of history. We go out and there's a place, I can't remember, it was called Big Sink or something like that.

A couple drainage that creaks that come off and they kind of head off the backside of the blue mountains, the east side of the Blue Mountains hidden towards the town of Elgin. So kind of in that general area, how many people ignore that side or have been there? I don't know. We go out mid-morning, 11-ish or so, and go out just a plane 22s for half hour or so leave mom at camp and so she can babysit the dog. I'm going to go out with us or not. So we go out, main gravel roads south of Jubilee Lake, head to the east a little bit

a mile or two, and found a little log in the road. That was closed off. We drove like 50 yards down. It's gated off, which is fine. And I can't remember. We put some targets out there. So behind us to the north is a big timber patch. hasn't been long and sizable.

Little Creek drainage coming through. And again, this is, even though it's something I experienced or we experienced, it's very anecdotal, I have no idea. So we go out there and start shooting the 22s, plink, plink, plink. Boys didn't know anything. And there's, again, the heat of the day started to warm up, a little high mountain breeze, and there's squirrels and chipmunks, and there's birds flying around.

But after I heard the first one, it caught my, attention. I didn't at first, but my dog's getting all excited outside. And now there's birds that can make a whooping noise. Don't know exactly what birds they are. Again, they said that this started when we started plinking the 22s, and it was way off to the north, hundreds yards away, coming from that big patch of timber.

And then I got a second series of three or four whoops. and again midday, mid morning, 10ish, 11 o'clock or whatever. So again, I just, I heard whoops. And the boys, whether they heard of me not,

I can't remember if I even pointed them out. Then I think I heard two series of three or four whoops each and that was it. But for the archives, I just made note of it. I heard whoops. It could have been a bird. And it could not have been.

Now, not saying what it was or what it wasn't, but up in that part of the world, you just have to, I said, I just document it, No, it's a night. Yeah, move on.

So, Mill Creek Watershed, which, again, is a close-a-public entry for all but, like, seven days out of the year for El Cunners. It's outside of the wilderness riders. They're the Willerness Patrol. I tell you it, though, yeah. So back in 1996, my father and I had the Elk Tag for the Mill Creek Watershed. And again, this is a really highly committed tag. It takes 10, 12, 15 years to get the darn thing. And a watershed rider gal then her name was Rowena.

And she had been a, she had worked for outfitters and guides for most of her life. So she was, she was a horse gal. She was an outdoorsy. She guided. She camp cook. She did all kinds of stuff.

And she was, I mean, if I wasn't to get lost in the woods or needed to be defended the woods, this is the gal I wanted to be there. She was the rough and tumble gal. Didn't take crap. And her and my dad, her and my father got a long grade.

They just chit, chat. We talked with her a couple times. And I just remember my dad bringing up the topic Because my dad's always been interested in the topic of Bigfoot He's not I said not a believer by any means Not C's doesn't believe it He doesn't really believe

But he brought up topic My dad will bring up a million topics during a conversation But he brought it up with a throwing And again I think I'm going back to about 1996 And she just And she's because there's a couple Pack trails that go through the wilderness Or excuse me through that watershed

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with AARP. For just $15 for your first year with automatic renewal, an AARP membership delivers benefits and savings you can use right away. You can also access trusted resources and tools to help you stay healthy. Protect your money and plan ahead. And with a second free membership for someone in your household, you'll receive AARP benefits for two. Go to AARP.org to join today. They say everything happens for a reason, but I suspect everything happens for a Rises. Like this commercial break, did you need 15 seconds away from music or 15 seconds to eat or Reese's. Perhaps it's true. Everything happens for erases. Again, there's no public access or entry outside of the one week out of the year. Sure. And over the course of time, a lot of those

trails, there's three or four of them. They go up a couple of creek bottoms and then up on the ridges. And this is what Roeina and the other watershed patrollers have used over the years just riding through the watershed. But for all intents of purposes, they should never encounter anyone there. And that's her main purpose is to keep people out of the watershed. So they typically patrol the perimeter of the watershed, as opposed to the heart of it. But she'd ride those trails. She loved riding horses, so she'd ride those trails often enough. But there's no real maintenance up there.

And the winters are rough and brutal and just the nature of the mountains. Trees fall down, downfalls, a brush grows up and all that. So some of those trees are slowly just disappear over time. So I think she just had a couple trails she did like to ride. And then the rest of time is just driving vehicles up around the perimeter, the higher elevations and just making sure that trying to keep making sure people just aren't thinking the watershed for whatever purpose or reason. But anyway, my dad did bring up the topic with her, and she was adamant.

Now, and going back to my conversation or my story earlier about Red, the patrol writer back in the 70s, you know, each other. And I don't bother him. He doesn't bother me. So Rowanis is it. And she'd been patrolling at that point in 96. She'd been in patrolling. I think she was down to her last year or two prior to retirement at that point. But she'd been patrolling for 15, 16, 17 years.

I've never seen anything. That was her story. So now there's a Hispanic gentleman. I can't remember his name. I've talked to them a couple times. And I actually encountered him last year in end of August. Big guy, he takes his job extremely seriously. Because he is a Forest Service employee.

And some of the roads around there, you can't have ATV, side-by-sides, dirt bike unless they're street legal and licensed. And he enforces that lot of the T's. So he doesn't only enforce the law of keeping people out of the watershed. He does actually patrol some of the adjacent forest roads up there. You get a lot of people up there with some dirt bike trails that are real popular, but you can only stay on those trails. So anyway, I said I ran into him last year.

We chit-chat about previously about eight years earlier. We had another elk tag up there. My wife and father and I, maybe the kids are with us, I can't recall. I met the gentleman. I can't remember his name now. And again, as a neat guy, very adamant about his position, his job. But eight years ago, and once again, my dad throws the Bigfoot topic at him, like you did Rowena, the Gal Patroler, you know, 10, 15 years earlier, that Bigfoot.

Interesting thing about this Hispanic gentleman, he was adamant. It doesn't exist. But he starts throwing stuff out there. He starts throwing out details that only those that really follow and research the subject would know. they've never found a bone. Never found bones. There's never been a body. Oh, sure, yeah.

He starts throwing more out there that a naysayer or someone in denial or protecting would throw out there. He knew a lot more about the topic than I've never seen one. It was just interesting. Oh, yes. As dad was talking to him, this, he's not in there. They're never found bones. Never found a body.

And he threw some other things out there. This is, how do you even know they haven't unless you've actually researched a subject? And again, this, this Rowena and this gentleman, are there? in the same position that Paul Freeman had, right, rolling Mill Creek Watershed. So, and Red from 1970. So, so, I never met Paul Freeman. Red, I never met, but these last two.

So Rowena wrote, is riding her horses through the will and it's on, or the watershed on trails that don't see people theoretically ever. So she has a Mill Creek Watershed to herself. And this gentleman here, I don't think he's a horse guy as much as he is, probably a driving his truck around the perimeter, upper perimeter. But he used to do stuff out there.

If he doesn't exist and you have no interest or knowledge, he didn't say he had no interest in knowledge, but from the way his response is he had an interest in knowledge in the topic. And maybe he never has seen or anything. But anyways, just it was interesting his response to that doesn't exist up in there because, and they've never found bones. There's no pictures and on and on.

So it was just an interesting response from a patrol, uh, watershed patrol guy. And then maybe he's, I said, maybe he's being honest. He has never seen anything. And here's the reasons why, because he doesn't exist, because there are no bones or pictures or bodies. So, last story on this. And then, yeah, this is my own experience. And it was just weird.

So I had that elk tag, archery elk tag this last summer. And I just said a weird thing. This is outside the watershed, Mill Creek watershed. It's outside the way not to, Koon of the Cannon Wildness, but it's adjacent drainage. just, again, a very difficult had to get. They don't give out a lot of tags, have the whole world yourself, really, and it's just neat remote country. I'm at the bottom of this one canyon. It's not a real deep canyon.

Open timber, you can see for shoot, 100, 150 yards, big trees, a little bit of brush from downfalls, but just open country. And I had elk in there, bugling, I was getting tours and all that. And there's some other hunters in that unit, but I hadn't seen any vehicles or anyone that where I was going into this drop. in this little side canyon. The road drives, goes right along the ridge next to it. So not overly remote, but still just a lot of country. I get down the bottom, it's getting late afternoon. So right now it's what almost 7 o'clock here is probably right at the same time last hour or two at daylight. Get down there. I've got some milk bugling all that stuff and I'm walking down. I had to hike from where I parked up high. It's probably about a 20-minute hike and it gets down this big open,

or open timbered flats and shoot four or five hundred yards across. And I got to, I just, see real well and I'm walking through the timber and all sudden I hear this deep deep voice seven and as someone said the number seven and I stopped I thought crap is there someone else down here because there's bull el bugle in this is what we're all hunting for did I subble on some hunters in here and right where the noise came from to my kind of from front of me to the left 50 75 yards it seemed I mean I can see the whole thing for us it's big open timber there's no one there. I'm not, well, if there's hunters down there, it was a human voice with a very deep, deep,

gutter, throaty voice. Seven. I stop. I go, well, I'm back in this. There's other hunters down here. I'm not going to go and fringe on them. If they're working these elk that are down here, bugling and calling us, I don't, I don't need any conflict if they're already down here.

So I stopped and I sat down for about five or ten minutes. And the, the voice I heard that the seven, well, should have been within my view of my, my, my, my, my line of sight as open timber, a little clumps of brush here in there. There's nothing that would hide anyone. I mean, they could be behind a tree and you'd out of sight, whatever, but I stay there for about five or ten minutes, and there's no one there. So, well, that was just weird. So I thought, well, I'm going to start walking very cautiously, and maybe someone is there, maybe they're sitting there waiting, and maybe they saw me, maybe they didn't, maybe they're so focused on these elk that are a couple hundred years away's creaming and bugling of the timber,

out further than a flat towards where the creek is in the bottom. And I start walking And there's been a lot of elk in there. There's really good game trails, even though there's downfalls. It's dry, bone dry, it's snappy and crunchy. So I started walking real slowly because if there's hunters there, says, I just, I heard you say seven. I don't know why he said the number seven. But if there's hunters there, is okay, then I'll get out of your hair.

I'm not becoming friends. But I started walking. I've been there. I said been five or ten minutes. I never saw a soul. And why I didn't hear in my head that I heard some, I heard a deep voice say seven. And very, very, very, very, there's a deep roading. Yeah, that's some weird stuff, man.

Yeah. I'm a realist, man. That's just, I can't explain it. But once again, just some notes for the archives. Okay, can I get under chapter three, final chapter? Heck yes. Right. My local neighborhood, Mount Hood, Mount Hood, and the Northern Oregon Cascades.

Simple. Again, the same thing. It's just friends, acquaintances, whatever. So I mentioned a little bit ago about these twin brothers, good friends of mine. Rob and Dennis will call them. And that's what their wives call them too. They grew up in Esticata, which is the Clackamas River, which is the Bigfoot Highway that Joe wrote his book about. And they grew up in Little Community of Esticata, which is growing like crazy now.

But they lived a few miles south of west of Esticata. And there's a main highway that goes from the Portland metro area, Milwaukee, Milwaukee, Clackman. us out to Esucata. And they lived about a mile off the highway down in, right along the Columbia River. And a little bit of kind of, he referred to those hippie commune. His dad was a Vietnam that mom just salt the earth neat gal. And they just lived in this little communal neighborhood off the highway. And again, we're talking now in the 70s, probably, early 80s.

And I lived in this. I can't remember the name of the neighborhood, but 10, 15 homes where you go out across the flat, you kind of drop down to the level of the Clackamas River down there. So one brother, Dennis, and again, as I look at my notes, here, mid-70s, they had a yellow lab named Moon. And again, the bus would drop them up on the highway, so they had like a mile walk to home. And they're out in the country. They're mountain kids and all that. And no one, it wasn't that big a deal back then.

Your kids walked a mile to the bus stop in the morning. They walked a mile home. Then the bus dropped them off in the afternoon. So for some reason, it was just one of them. It was just Dennis. Rob wasn't with him. I don't remember the whole reason why. But every time, every day in the afternoon, I guess Moon, their yellow lab, would walk them to the bus in the morning and go home.

Then Moon would go to the mile jaunt up to the highway and be there waiting for the boys to get off the bus in the afternoon after school. So Dennis gets off the bus one afternoon, Moon's sitting there waiting for him. and it probably got a roughly a half mile across some flat open pastoral stuff, and the road just kind of starts winding down to the Clackamas River bottom, three, four, five hundred foot elevation drop, roughly, all timber. And this is the twin brothers. So Dennis, he's walking, he goes across the flats, he starts walking the gravel road heading down the side hill,

and it's the timber. And all of a sudden, he said, moon just stops and starts staring up from the timber. And again, this is kind of where I started kind of filling in the least. I think he was looking off to the right. downhill. And all of a sudden, all hell breaks loose. And this big, tall, dark hair-covered thing takes off running through. There's ferns and trees, a lot of brush and all that, takes off running. And I remember one of the things, there was a tall standing snag or stuff. The thing ran through this stump, and the thing exploded, the stump did, and kept on running. And also, in addition to

the stump that exploded that this thing ran through, one other things just looked like you had an Arrow quiver stuck over its shoulder over its back over its shoulders. Because you've heard stories of clothing and whatever I have over the years. And then he goes, yeah, and how he reacted whatever, but then him and Moon continue to walk at home and that was the end of the story. So that's the only experience Dennis ever had. And the funny thing is, whenever he and I do talk about it, he goes, I don't share that story. It's anyone. And his twin brother, they do, I mean, these are twin brothers that they're still attached to the hip.

They've been involved in business. They're both in early retirement in their late 50s, been home builders. They talk daily. They do a lot of stuff together. Their wives are good friends. They've done a lot. Dennis will not bring the topic up around his twin brother, Rob, because Rob Lassow. So the one thing in their entire lives, they probably don't share is, I mean, they've obviously shared it.

But, you know, Dennis just doesn't share it with anyone. As we know, a lot of people don't share their stories or encounters. No, they don't. Or they wait until they're retired and not a cop anymore. That's a big thing, too. Right. Yeah, there's that too. So anyway, that's Dennis' story.

And he and I don't even talk about it, but like every five years or so or six, seven, who knows, we might be having a beer or something. But I already know his story. He already knows he shared it with me. And there's no reason to talk any more about it. I did invite him actually that thing that Joe Beilart sent us up to by Skook and Meadows again, however many years ago, 15, 16, 17, 18, I don't remember. But I didn't invite Dennis, but he just, yeah, he had his experience, his encounter. And that's, he's good of that. So, um, so.

So moving on to that, another gentleman, this guy played some softball with and against years ago, going back in the 80s. And then through a mutual hunting forum that we both belong to, he saw my name on there and he's active on this. And this is going back several years as well. But up here where I live, where we live right at the base of Mount Hood, the Salmon Huckleberry Wellness, you got Mount Hood wilderness. You got the Bull Run watershed, which is the water, the watershed for the Portland metropolitan area, which is a much larger watershed Mill Creek for Walla Walla. This is a watershed that's feeding hundreds of thousands of people, not tens of thousands, and close a public entry.

So we're up, I mean, we've got mountains, we've got welding us, everything around here. So this gentleman Scott, who I got played ball with, he shared a story with me again several years ago, but we have three rivers that come together down here, the Salmon River, the Sandy River, and the Zigzag River. And there's a cool little golf course, beautiful golf course actually right where these rivers come together. And also used to be some fantastic salmon and sealhead fishing back in the day, not nearly as fruitful as it used to be. But he told me a story a while back where he was going to fish one of the, he's going down the golf course to access the salmon river to go fishing one morning and saw, had a big foot run across the fairway in front of him, like right at daybreak. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages.

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And right off the back side of that salmon river, it's just all salmon Huckleberry Wilderness, which has its own number of stories and encounters and sightings from began over the decades. So, you know, that's as simple as that. It's a bit of been the 80s, early 90s, early morning. And there's some homes, a really nice homes, lots of golf, this golf course on some sides. But once you get to that riverside, it's all wilderness on the back side. but he yet bigfoot i don't remember exactly said just something tall and hairy but he he's we're messaging back and forth i think email or whatever messaging to this uh hunting forum maybe i can't recall exactly how the communication exchanged but told me about you know that had bigfoot right across the ding fairway

this this golf fairway in front of the way to go fish the salmon rid or one more which would have been midsummer because that's typically it was a it was a summer steel head fishery which july august september October is the really prime season their time of year for that fishery back in the day one of it was a popular fishery. And again, the whole area, Highway 26 goes over Mount Hood. There's the cliff has mentioned several stories. There's been some other stuff. I mean, where we live here, I've, I throw off a number of stories I've heard over the

years. But these are just stories I've heard. There are people I personally know and or have heard those stories from them. So another acquaintance of mine, a little. further south, Timothy Lake is a big popular lake in the North Cascades here. It's just south of Mount Hood. Quaint to mine, I don't know him real well, but he's a good friend, but another good friend of mine, which I'll get to a bit. But he was right around 2000 hunting, again, from our house here. He's probably 20, 30 miles south of here. Remote little area right along, there's a big, or Walters-Indian Reservation that we can't hunt on, but he's down there hunting.

one evening. He had a camp in this remote little camp spot, not even a campground, I'm just spite in a mile or two, and Elk made a mile or two and Elf make a lot of noise during their mating season, the elk group bugling and all that. And they said all of a sudden, it came like that, it just shut off. And it was late in the evening, but he thought it was just kind of weird,

the way they just shut down. And he was in the timber, their echoing all over at, and it was late enough. I don't think he could really hunt, but he just kind of out of late evening scout for the next day. and he had a buddy coming up to meet him that night to camp with him. So this guy, he goes back to his truck. I can't remember if he had a canopy on the bed of his pickup.

I kind of think that's what it was. And so he gets back to his truck. It's roughly that time of your archery season. It's probably getting dark 9, 9.30. So it gets in the bed of his pickup around 10. Again, I don't remember all the exact details. But about a half hour after he's in his pickup, all of a sudden his truck shutters, his shakes. And he wasn't expecting his buddy there until later.

I can't remember midnight-ish, after midnight, whatever. I mean, it's not that far out there from the Portland metro. I don't remember where his buddy is coming from, but what the old schedule was. But he expected his buddy later than, and no vehicles came up because he's in a pretty remote part of the forest where he wasn't on a main road. He's off a side road back in the timber there. I don't know exactly where he's camp, but I have a pretty good idea. and the truck shutters. And he goes, my buddy's screwing with me.

No headlights. And it's dead quiet out that time. And I'd heard a vehicle within a half mile or a mile of you approaching. Headlights or heard a vehicle. Heard nothing. And the truck should, I came here if I did it more than once. May have, may not have. But it freaked him out.

And I thought his buddy's screwing with him. And I can't remember if he didn't, if he couldn't fall asleep or if he opened his canopy and shown a flashlight, I don't remember any of those details at all. but I know it really kind of waked him out. And then a couple hours later, his buddy shows up, whether it's midnight or so. Again, I can't remember specifics. But he and I had that conversation a number of years ago. But he just, what shook my truck in the late evening?

And he's got, I've got another story with him here in a little bit. So something bumped his truck at night. So next story up the Clackamas River. which is kind of all the Klaqumas River area as well. Again, Joe Bealert's country. A good friend of mine, Sean,

and this looks like this is probably around 2002 now. So again, we're going back a little bit. He's hunting up there with his father, and I think his brother. And they're up a remote little road and some older clear cuts up there. And Sean climbed up the hill. And again,

That's kind of the picture I've got. They parked at a dead end road and probably a big round gravel turnabout. So the trucks parked there, him and his dad. And again, maybe brother. I think brother was with him. And Sean starts working his way up the hill, deer hunting, I believe. So it would have been early August, or excuse me, early October. So Sean watches way up the hill, gets way up above this older clear cut.

The clear cut is, I'm going to estimate, to trees in this country, you can grow back pretty quick. Within five or ten or ten or ten or ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten, ten. replanted. He got way up above on the clear cut, and he gets up there, and he can see their pickup, whether it's 200 yards or 1,000 yards, I don't know, is waist down there, I'm sure. Then all of a sudden, down below, Sean, and this, again, from what I recollect, it was probably midday, early, late morning, midday, early afternoon. All of a sudden, down below, Sean, on a pretty steep slope, this big boulder just flying

straight up in the air. Really? and comes down. Thing is, you didn't hear the sud of it coming down. Then this big boulder goes back up in the air and comes down. And I don't remember how many times it happened two, three, four, five times I recall. But he's going, someone's screwing with me here. And if I recall, he said somebody thought it might be his brother.

And he shouts out. And how far this was down? I don't think it was a long distance away, but I'm estimating probably it might have been 30 to 50 yards down the hill below him. But this is big rock. flying way up and there coming down and not studying when he hits the ground. Then he made a comment to something like, hey, no, it's you or screw it. Quit screw it with me, whatever. Then he sees his brother and his dad way down on the trucks moments later.

So it wasn't his brother, wasn't his father. And he and I've talked about it a couple times. And he goes, he always had an eerie feeling whenever he drove this little road that went back to that little gravel parking area. So he and I, we've actually been talking. I just talked with them a week or two ago. us is going up in the forest these days. There's so many people up there. Weekends are just a zoo.

You can't get away from people, it seems like, anymore. People get in the woods because our forest is extremely thick and rugged. But they're camp at the end of roads. They're hiking. They're going all the lakes and recreation areas and trailheads and whatever. But he just got a new job where he has Friday's off. And I have a relatively flexible schedule. So I told him, once you get your new job, get squared away, let's sneak up there for a Friday.

I want to go up. He hasn't been up there for several years itself. But he's always had this weird. weird, eerie feeling about that place even prior to this rock tossing incident. So I'm just curious

where he's at. I don't even, I just know he's up the Clackens River somewhere. But yeah, rocks flying up in the air coming down. I didn't. You went up several times

and never thudded when it hit the ground because a rock like that, you're going to, you're going to hear it, plus feel it. Wow. That's weird, man.

I don't know, just like, his playing out, catching it. Yeah. Huh. And then like I said, that he made some comment.

I remember made a comment. He thought, Okay, I know it's you. And then there's brother and dad way down the truck, you know, hundreds of yards away. So I don't have any answers for you. I just got the questions. Yeah, exactly. All right.

So where we live, we live in one of the major river drains comes off Mount Hood, which is an 11,000-plus-foot dorm volcano. It's the top of the mountains, like seven miles from us right now. And again, from we're at to the south of us, we've got. zigzag mountain, 2,025 feet above us. Behind us, we've got the Bull Run Watershed, or excuse me, the Bull Run Watershed, which is another 1,500,000 feet to the ridge top above us. And the zigzag mountain to the south of us has some stories on it. You know, I'll throw a few of those out.

But just up the road from us, we have an older gentleman who, his brother's a log home builder in the area, and he's been involved in the building trades himself. I don't, he's more, he's pretty much retired now. But so he lives, not even it. Not even a half mile at the row from this quarter mile probably. Tom. And as we were with them, I guess, when I was it, Fourth of July? I was with him a couple of weeks ago.

And I knew he had stories, but our friends that live up there as well, they are his neighbors, the friend Chris, and said, he got to talk to some time. And Chris actually had a story too. So a couple weeks ago, I finally got to ask Tom. So he has two kind of similar stories. But when he started clearing his land to build his home up there, So again, this is a sandy river drainage.

It's roughly a quarter mile, half mile wide. It's all old mud flows from Mount, or Mount Hood has erupted over the years, and just the whole valley is mud flow. Then the forest builds up and grows up. So it's a relatively flat down here. So Tom was clear in his land, roughly early 2000s. And then, I have type two diabetes, but I manage it well. It's a little bill with the big story to tell.

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Did you need 15 seconds away from music? Or 15 seconds to eat or Reese's? Perhaps it's true. Everything happens for a Reese's. And probably very two similar stories. And then a couple years later, he used to go to work really early in the morning. Again, I don't remember if he was contractor back then or home construction or what. But two very similar stories in the early 2000s and a couple years later, he'd be out there early in the morning, have a cup of coffee, have a cigarette.

And two different times he's been out there early in the morning. And boulders went flying across his yard. Really? Yeah. Oh, man. And the difference between the two stories that he gave me, there were two different times that it happened. And so he told our friend Chris, who we're better friends with, that Tom, we know pretty well. But yeah, so yeah, he's been out there three in the morning on a cigarette drink coffee,

clearing the land. And he's been up here long enough, some year, 20-ish years ago. There wasn't as, there's several homes up our valley, but not a ton. But, yeah, he's probably one of the earlier people developing the land up here and clearing it and putting his home on. Yeah, you're out there early in the morning. and then dang boulder goes flying across from one tree line out across your yard. And boulders, how big they are, I don't know. But random at, you know, three of the morning.

This happened on two different occasions over the course for a couple years. And the right time for weird stuff with Bigfoot to happen too. Yeah. Yeah.m. in the morning, no down, man. So let me see as I'm looking at my notes here. So, yeah, okay, this ties in him as well. He mentioned a so, like said, up behind. Behind his house as well, just south of him is this zigzag mountain, which is it is one rugged, steep, thick, fluffy mountainside.

There's a trail on the top. There's a couple trails that go up this side up, some creek trainages to some lakes. They're all hiking lakes. And I want to go hike that face that mountain down this side. It's going to be brutal. I wouldn't hike up, but I don't know if you could. You could, but you wouldn't want to do it as again. Coming down won't be a whole lot more pleasant because it's steep, rugged.

And there's some bluffy stuff. there's a lot of thick elder thick. It's just, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a half-mile. And then he said, like, it lasts like 30 seconds. And then he got a response down zigzag ridge later. Oh, I mean, immediate response. So let me see the notes A Bellowing Hell Up on Zigzag Mountain

And 30 seconds later Response down the ridge to the west Then And I And I said He just told me this story A few weeks ago But he says

He goes You ever seen it's funny Bigfoot It sounds like what Bobo The sound Bobo makes Man Oh that freak me out I've always That's one of my things

Rick Someday I want to hear Vocalization like that Someday man And that's right up behind us I mean, that's, wow. I can, long range, right? It's a crow flies.

It's five, six hundred yards behind me. It's the side of the zigzag mountain. And it runs for seven, eight, ten miles that way, right up to Mount Hood. So I will jump forward a little bit. So our mutual friend, Chris, him and his wife and kids live right there next to Tom. His young daughter, Lily, and this is going back roughly 2010, they heard screams up on the back side of Zigzag Mountain. And Lily, who was roughly about eight then, I remember Chris and dad telling me this. He goes, there's something up there.

So Chris heard him up there. And I think most of these, the call that Tom talked about and what Chris and Lee, I think they'd been springtime vocalizations. And again, I'm pretty sure. I don't have exact dates or times, whatever it seems to me. It's been like March, April, Mayish type of stuff. So only a couple more for you. So again, over outside of Esticada on the Clackamas River. Are you very familiar with this country up here?

I have the Oregon Bigfoot Highway. And so I know when you say stuff like Esticata and Zigzag Mount, I know, like, they sound very familiar, but I've never, like, actually gone out to the area yet, personally. But, like, I've read the book by Joe. well and yeah I've got to get it so yeah so esticata is the clack where the clackmouth river comes out of our cascade mountains esticata is like at the gateway it's where the mountains meet and the foothills meet the flatlands and that's esthetic small little rural community been there for a million years whatever but it's it's grown like crazy now and there's a ton of recreation that goes up but um uh up the clapmouth river a lot of camping a lot of waterplay

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Perhaps it's true. Everything happens for a Reese's. And there's some people live up there, but away from that down towards aggression, which is one of our bigger, more better communities to Portland, a little community outside of that called Boring. Again, I'm going back years ago. Now, as I put these notes together over the accumulating over the years, I kind of estimated some of them.

So roughly around 05, 18 years ago. I've always had dogs, I, Wee, Chocolate Labs in particular, and loved a bird hunt. I just like getting out with my dog and busting my butt and sweating and having a good time with the dog and getting family out there or whatever, sometimes spending days with friends. So one day I pull up in this little gas station in the town of Boren, Oregon, and got my dog with me at summertime, windows rolled down, dog sticking her head out. Every time you go to a gas station, you're hoping they'll give you a milk bone to chill on. And a young dude comes up, pumps our gas because we still, we're just finally beginning. getting to pop our own gas out here. It's been attend and served for forever.

Anyway, guy comes out, hunts our gas. It starts talking about the dog and you have birds. I go, yeah, that's my second lab and I love bird hunting. Then he looks at me and he starts talking about hunting grouse, which I hunted grouse a little bit. They're more of a forest bird where I hunt the other types of birds, pheasant chuck or whatever. And I've hunted some grouse and fond to hunt. Neek, you get to go on the forest. And I asked about grouse hunting. He goes, yeah, we hunt almost anything. Then he goes, yeah, there's a real good place up to Clackmas. Then he kind of tells us, he goes, you ever heard of Bigfoot Acres?

Bigfoot Acres. You don't know? Oh, boy. Yeah. So it's a little place outside of Estiquita. He gave me some rough directions. I don't, I didn't make, no, there's enough roads and left area up there. Ever heard of Bigfoot Acres?

No? And so he told me, you go up this one road, go here, there, you park there and all that, and there's all kinds of grass. I said, so why's it called Bigfoot acres? He goes, Bigfoot. Matter of fact, he go, is he there? And the kid goes, shakes his head and turns to walk away, helps another car just pulled in. Philip O'clock. Oh, wow.

Okay. So that being said, there's a ranger station in Esticata, Estigator Ranger District, Ranger Station for the Mount Hood National Forest. And I've heard stories for years. You may have. I know Joe has and Cliff has and other people, but supposedly there's a sightings book in there that doesn't exist. Doesn't exist. Exactly.

You go ask where they don't know what you're talking about, but supposedly there's a book in there. And I've heard that for 20 years. There's got to be. And I know people have gone in and asking for it and then they don't have any idea what you're talking about. Rick, did you ever go up to Bigfoot Acres? I never got the exact.

He gave me the rough up here. There's so many forest roads. And again, once you gets past the cicada up in the area where it was, There's some ranches and some, there's no communities or towns up there, but there's just plain of logging roads and forest roads and this and that. He gave me a rough idea. I mean, it's just a casual chat. I wasn't, I mean, I was obviously interested in Bigfoot, but as he gave me that info and I tried to make a mental note, but then as I tried to fine-tune it, it's all that countries Bigfoot can ship there. Oh, absolutely.

Absolutely. That's why I was going to go to the exact road to the dead end and go to Bigfoot acres to look for grouse slash Bigfoot. I probably had as much a chance that going down another road and taking a right instead of a left and probably find a big foot, I guess. So I don't know, I never take it over there. And I've always wondered, I wish I would have gotten better details, but we were talking bird hunting, not big foot.

I just know the general area, but across, that's on, like I said, that's on the north, I guess you could call it even the east side of the Clackness River. Across you've got goat mountain. I can't remember. There's Hillock Burn Road. There's all kinds of stories and stuff there as well and on and on. So I never, no, I never went to Bigfoot Acres.

And I couldn't tell you exactly where it's at, but it's up there somewhere. Maybe a listener knows about Bigfoot Acres and they can email me a Bigfoot Society at Gmail. I have Google. I can hook Rick up. Yeah, that'd be awesome. I'm right here. I'll have Google search and nothing comes up on it. I'm sure.

that up behind that general area you got Mount Mitchell which I think Joe in that in his book actually there's a trackway from

Mount Mitchell which is up in that same country and all that but I said that I won't get into a lot more specifics up there because there's

quite a few lakes and remote cabbrow stuff that I between Joe and Cliff they've they've got a lot of people out there

in the field themselves and there's a lot of stories that come out of all that country for those that are African actively out there doing more than I'm doing out the woods. So anyway, Bigfoot Acres.

That's my story. Yeah, dude, you got to get this book. I got the book right here next to me. Yeah. Well, like I said, yeah. It's so good. Yeah. Well, I'm sure.

Well, actually, Joe had told me about it back when he's before even published a thing. Oh, that's awesome. But again, I do need to get it. And I need to get him to sign it. Okay, I've got like two or three more. Then I'm going to, I have to go weekend. Yeah. I mean, you've got to be just.

starving by now, Rick. I'm fine. I'm glad to do it. This is quelling my appetite. Yeah, yeah. So, again, from where we live, we camp where we live, we can't where we live. Less than two miles from us is National Forest boundary. Wow.

And this time of year, our little remote little mountain road gets a lot of traffic because there's four or five campgrounds up here, three or four. Then there's a lot of trailheads that take you on the Pacific Crest Trail, which is our big international trail, just from Canada, all the way. down to Mexico is, you know, 15-minute drive from us. And several other trail. There's a lot of them go up to the base of Mount Hood and all around. You know, like I said, this is the exact mountain up here.

And I mentioned there's a couple trails on this side that take you up to these remote little mountain lakes. But another friend of ours, acquaintance, or not tight, tight friends, but he works for Clackamas County, which is one of the big metropolitan counties in the area. He runs search and rescue. And he is telling me a story. That's five, six, seven years ago is telling me. So just up past our house as you go up towards the trail heads that are up here, going up the sandy river and heading towards Mount Hood and backside of Zigzag Mountain.

Several summers ago, again, roughly 2010 was when this, excuse me, occurred. So there was a hiker or hikers lost up there just didn't come back. So in the summertime, again, it starts to warm up here. You start getting a lot of breezes in the mountains. and as the mountain winds go, it's just a lot of noise, birds are squawk and stuff.

So they like to do, especially in the summers, especially if weather conditions permit. It's not like it's snowing or going to be sub-freezing or whatever. They prefer to do their search and rescues at night because it's dead calm. People can shout and hollar your name.

You can hear people that might be injured that can barely whimper. You can just the sound carries so much better in the dead night. So Scott, this gentleman's name, the county search and rescue, and they've got their posseys, and they've got a lot of nonprofits and other search and rescue organizations that like to help out and lend a hand. So they were, I think it was an individual hiker.

I can remember there's a couple. I think it's just an individual just didn't show back, show up. And so they'd go up and set up base just a couple miles up from our house. And this hiker or hikers was up on somewhere on Zigzag Mountain. Again, there's not a lot of trails up there. And you shouldn't get off trail. there's no reason to because it's just rugged country. And I say you couldn't fall off or stumble or get injured or whatever.

Who knows what? People disappear in our mountains every year or someone disappears with her. No sign, no reason. They find a card to trailhead and there's no evidence of anything afterwards. Or else their camp is vacant and never, then they never be seen again. And again, there's not much reason to get off any of the trails in this whole area because it's just just in hospital country. if you're hunting, that's one thing that most of these people are just AI and or overnighting or whatever. So anyway, Scott and their group gets up there one evening.

And several groups go out, a couple different trailheads. Some might have been on horses. I don't remember the whole exact scenario. And you go out in pairs, two people at a time. And then at night, they're going out of night. So it's roughly like two in the morning gets a radio call from one of the couples. We're coming down. And Scott goes, did you find them?

They said, nope, we're coming down. I think, well, hell, this is the prime search and rescue time. Two in the morning, dead quiet. All that's like for all the reasons I mentioned. So why the heck they're coming down? So an hour, hour and a half later, I don't remember how long, but these people come down and go, why in the heck did you guys come down? They said, there's something up there.

And this is, again, this is kind of word for word as well. There's something up there. It says, it doesn't want us up there and we don't want to be there. Whoa. And it was, you know, something just started. Kreming and carrying on, I guess, relatively close to him. And they just pretty much, man, they didn't want us there. We didn't want to be there.

So they came off the mountain and quit their search and rescue efforts. And this is then, and so the guy to replaying us to us, like I said, he works for Clackamas County, deputy sheriff's department, search and rescue. And, yeah, they came off the mountain. So that's his when something started, something started raising hell up there. It didn't want us there and we didn't want to be there. Oh, my goodness. And if you looked at this mountain, if you had,

ever here, I can look at it daily. It's right out my back door. It's, if I could live in that environment, didn't want to be found, that's ideal place. And I want to climb down that mountain from top to bottom. I've got a couple different ridges, a couple different drainage. It's just going to be brutal. And I'm not a spring chicken anymore. I can still do it.

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Go to AARP.org slash IHeart to join today. They say everything happens for a reason, but I suspect everything happens for a Reese's. Like this commercial break. Did you need 15 seconds away from music or 15 seconds to eat or Reese's? Perhaps it's true. Everything happens for a Reese's. I just want to see what's in the middle of that mountain because there's no trails in the middle. There's a couple of lists of little trails that work.

there we have some creek ranges feel the top, but there's miles and miles and miles of non-vertical, but extremely steep, rugged, rough, bluffy. North Oregon Cascades, forest wild. Oh, man. It's got to be beautiful. Oh, it's all this area.

We left that kind of, it's really really neat, especially this time of year. So that being said, around Zig-Dag Mountain between Highway 26 on the backside through the little community of rhododendron and Welch's and up this way. A friend of Cliffs had a siding just up the road from us. We kept real similar in the close proximity to where the Scott,

the Clackamas County Search and Rest your guy. Cliff had a buddy of his about eight or nine years ago, woke up one morning up there looking and had a siding out of his camper window right in the base of the mountain one morning. So, but yeah, there's in the last 20, 25 years, there's been several sightings between all around here, and that's just stuff I've heard of, you know. All right, let me throw

there you see. Two more at you. Then I'm down night. So I mentioned you the guy that was camp hunting about an hour or hour and a half from here 30, 40, 40, 50 miles, whatever. That had something bump his truck in the middle of the night,

right? And his buddy's going to be there and two hours later, whatever his buddy shows up. So he was hunting with our mutual friend Ron in the same general area. Not quite that far. a big, big river bottom, big meadows and all that stuff. And Ron is my one guy I think I mentioned earlier who was a retired logger spent his entire time in the woods.

He's out there even his retired. He's a big time photographer. He does a lot of stuff outdoors. He's trail cameras and all that. And he's an unbeliever, because he spent his entire life in the woods in the Cascades and on the coast range. So Ron and this other gentleman, Dave, they went down and hunted this big. long metal one day. And again, we're talking this back 2013. It looks like September 2013. Archery hunting. And as they're working through these flats, you've got a big

meadow and you got a lot of this river bottom is about a half mile wide. There's some big cedar trees and there, big cedar swamp. A lot of elk in there usually. And they're working their way through the timber. And again, it's open timber, kind of a little bread of brush, huckleberries, and rodenters, but typically, in some of that stuff, you can see two, 300 yards, which is, in our forest around here. That's quite a distance. And they look and away from 100, 200 yards,

they see another hunter. That's really weird because the only access point where they came in from is really about the only place you could park there and there's no other rig park there. And all of a sudden there's a hunter down in the river bottom. And again, river bottoms are a high valley. So there's another hunter there.

They were really surprised. So then the hunter walked behind a tree. And again, it was roughly 100 yards away, if I recall correctly. It looks like a big dude, dark, all dark clothing, quote-unquote clothing, walked behind a tree, never saw him again. And as they go walking over there, there's kind of a little dip in a ravine. Because in some of these rivers is a meander. You get this, they'll cut a bank and they'll switch channel, whatever.

I think if I recall, there's kind of a little dip ravine behind a little cut bank. but they were they slowly worked the way over there because this hunter kind of went behind a tree and never saw him again walked over there never saw a hunter didn't find anything and and so this ron says in all my years in the woods that's the first time i've seen something and not been able to identify it he's still an unbeliever but he says not sure what it was and it's to random yeah so and that's And he and I had that on one of our hunting forums that's how I met this wrong. Neat guy and it's got a thought of oil followers. He'd actually made that post on our hunting forum again back in 2013.

That first time I've seen anything and never been able to death. But he and I, a couple years later, we were out driving around out the mountains. And I brought, I brought such a death. And he's still a adamant non-believer. But he goes, really, I have, oh, that's some that's really interesting. I have no idea what it's on. So anyway, it was just, yeah, coming from a guy like that. And lastly, you had mentioned that one of your speakers a while back

had dropped a name and dropped a very specific location somewhere. And I know that specific name and I know some of his specific locations. And coincidentally, so it's an area I'm very familiar with myself. Okay. Roughly near home. Yeah. Neat little, little ponds,

meadows, and Maycliff, did I say that? We go up there, you go up there and just drink some local beers and plays, he's a musician, he plays his guitar.

He says, more often than I get some, something happens in the middle night. Might just be a knock at two in the morning or whatever. But very, very near that location. And he'd mentioned that place randomly to me several years ago.

And I don't think we were talking about that specific location. He's thrown a couple I mean, but it's all touch right now. But within about a mile of that, there's a big deep canyon. And there's an old logging road that goes down. It's all heavily timbered. And I have three different, what I would call trackways that have come off these steep cut banks.

I sent them to, I sent pictures of Joe. Weillard, sent him to Cliff, sent him to Todd niece is another name I'll mention. If you know Todd. He actually lives within five minutes over here. Oh, does he really? Yeah. Yeah. We had a couple of beers in my.

month or so ago, but funny. But they're not definitive by any means, but a couple of them. Again, I'll send you some of these photos later on if you like, but yeah, definitely. A couple of them are older and washed out. Even the best ones weren't, but the thing is, and even Cliff was trying to poo-poo on them, but it could be deer or elk or bear. Well, I hunt deer and elk and elk and bear, and I've seen a lot of deer and elk and bear, and I've seen a lot of tracks.

first of all these have a straight toe edge um i also said what okay i'll do it deer hoof a bear and the substrate it was in it was a very hard-packed um cut bank and they're long um you could think it was someone's and if there were people walk on this cut bank it's a very very very remote road and in an area that people wouldn't have really very little reason to be up on that hill to be walking down you can see if they stepped side hills trying to come down this cut bank where the feet could have slipped, but the straight edge was only was about eight inches. That's a short, that's a small foot, be walking and making the impressions that were on this cut bank. Coming down and then I found a couple older ones that were all very indefinite, but you just see large impressions work walking up this cut bank again. And this is near where this little potter metal is, what's his face like to hang out? I don't know how I'll have those up there now, but. And it's in a remote.

rugged little canyon. And I was up there about three or four weeks ago, and I haven't been to this road in this cut banks for a couple years now. I always look at the cut banks. It's about a two-mile section there that it's thick, brushy up high. The whole bottom is just a thick, rugged jungle. So I don't know. I don't know what it made those impressions, but one of them, there's like five or six

impressions going up this cut bank, and they're all sizable. They've got a straight, what I'd call toe edge that's top end. Yep. That's wild. That's all I got for you. Wow. I mean, it's cool to hear that that area. Someone else has found something cool in an area close to that, you know,

and I'm being vague, but you get everything. Like, yeah. Yeah. That's cool. I've got nothing earth shattering, groundbreaking, whatever I told that before. I've got no encounters, nothing. You know, from what nose to nose with me and we arm wrestle or whatever, but.

Rick, this has been a fascinating chat of like just a lifetime of collected stories and like how, I mean, you pretty much had some really cool experiences chatting with people involved with Bigfoot history in a way, which is very cool as well. Well, thank you, man. Yeah. Well, you bet. And, like I said, I could throw other second or third or fourth-hand stories, but these are all, you know, fast majority. It's either, you know, those people I know. And or the random thing at the gas station, the kid asked about Bigfoot Acres, but it was a personal encounter between he and I.

To Bigfoot Acres. We got to track that down. Listeners. If you know what Bigfoot Acres is please email me in Bigfoot Society at e-mail.com. We have to track it down. Yeah, no, I'd love to. You know, I'd love that. And there's a lot of roads up.

It's hard to say. But at pinpoint, I wish I wish the kid still worked there. but are you going to be on 18-year working a gas station 20-some years later or 18 years or however. You have probably not. We're not working there anymore. But anyway, it's just you and I've gone back and forth for another months, and I said, I've got a lot of stories for you.

I don't know. Some people might fall asleep on them. I think that people are going to be very interested. My listeners love episodes like this. Rick, thank you so much for reaching out. And I'm taking your time. And this has been just a really fun chat. And keep me in the loop.

if anything else cool happens, man. I know where to find you. I said, I don't go out looking, man, but I keep my eyes bill definitely. Cool. All right. Hey, thank you so much. Have a good evening.

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