Bigfoot Society - Face to Face with Bigfoot in Salt Fork!

Episode Date: September 20, 2024

Join us for an exhilarating conversation with Eric Tipton, a seasoned Bigfoot researcher from Ohio. In this episode, Eric dives deep into his extraordinary experiences in the Salt Fork area, recounting thrilling encounters and groundbreaking research. Listen as Eric shares how a late-night sighting changed his life, leading to over 14 years of dedicated research and astonishing discoveries. Whether it’s the sightings, the unique structures, or the interactions captured on camera, Eric’s journey offers captivating insights and invaluable advice for aspiring Bigfoot enthusiasts. Don't miss out on this detailed account of what it's like to be face-to-face with the legend!Resources:House of Enoch - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100064542168287Sawdustt Beast channel (Eric Tipton episodes) - https://www.youtube.com/@SawdusttBEASTEric on Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/erictipton00Share your Bigfoot encounter with me here: [e-mail] to call in and leave a voicemail of your encounters for the podcast - Check this out here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsociety(Use multiple voice mails if needed!)🔴 Subscribe to hear more Bigfoot encounters: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: [e-mail]

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Well, there is now. If you become a supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members-only episode every single week. days and sometimes even more episodes head on over to patreon.com forward slash the bigfoot society and now let's get on with the show all right bigfoot society we've got the privilege of talking to eric today eric is a bigfoot researcher from ohio he's had some interesting things happen in the salt fork area and how's it going tonight eric it's going very well bud it's going really well weather's starting to calm down a little bit getting out of the heat so

Yeah, signs of autumn are coming. I'm loving it. Before we get into the Salt Fork action, do you mind sharing with us a little bit about what got you into this whole Wild Bigfoot adventure to begin with? Yeah, it was, you know, it was the classic seeing Patty on the Patterson Gimlin, you know, in search of years and years ago. And always, always had that in the mind of the possibility.

You know, even as a young kid, just why not? You know, never closed-minded on that. And then just growing up and being an avid hunter, avid tracker, spending a lot of time in the woods. But never had anything happen. But then it was right at the millennium, right around that era of 2000, 2001. I was working for a grain handling company here in Ohio. And during crop season, their grain dryers, they would run them 24-7.

And I would service the grain dryers. So it wasn't anything for me to roll up on a farm at you know, 2.30, 3 o'clock in the morning. And I had happened to be at a seminar, me and a couple other guys from the company way up in northeastern Ohio up in Astridula. And we actually were on our way home from this, I guess it was like a conference, whatever it was. and we were on a back road and middle of the night, high beans are on, and I'm in the back passenger seat, and I've got my head up against the window, and I'm kind of just looking at the ditch line, like, towards the front of the car,

and in front of us coming towards us, well, we're coming up on it, it basically looked like a big brush pile is what it looked like. but as we got closer it started to take shape and then when we got right up on top of it there was no mistaking of what what this thing was and we never slowed down but what I saw all good was the left side and it was it was squatting and it had its arms on its on its knees and it's in the ditch just just looking at us and as we drove by it I just you know I it passed its head was like right eye level with me and as we drove past it obviously went dark but I turned to look out the back window and it's completely

dark and I turned back around when I turned back around the driver is actually rubber neck looking back at you know at the window the rear window and he just looks at me and goes I don't know and that was it that was that that was the the only time we ever talked about it. And the only person I told was my dad at the time. And, you know, he kind of ran me through the gambit on a lot of stuff, you know, of the weather and fog and this and that, and how was the night? And just kind of ran me through a gambit a little bit.

And at the end of it, he just told me, he said, look, he said, you know, I believe what you're saying. He said, you're the one that's going to have to deal with it. And back then, I mean, if you talked about this, it was so taboo. You know, so I just locked it away for many years. And now working in what I do, mechanical, HVAC, I do large commercial. And me and my research partner, we kind of came up together in the field. and but when I came to work at this particular company that he was at when I first met him

you kind of carpool with each other when you're kind of working out of town so he and I would meet up and be at about an hour drive each way till the job and back so you talk you know throughout the course of the job and these jobs were anywhere six months to a year-long project so we got to know each other and found out we had the same likes, dislike, whatever and finally I was like you know what I'm gonna tell him I'm gonna I'm gonna see you know and I was ready for the ridicule I was ready for the ha ha and I told him and he just looked at he and he was like well let's let's go find you so that's that's where it all really started and that was roughly 14 years ago so and that's

That's what throws us down this rabbit hole. And we haven't stopped. Wow. So you've been going after it ever since. Yeah. Yeah. None stop out in the field, though actually in the field hardcore. Actually, what we consider research has been roughly 14 years.

Okay. So, yeah. Before that, it was just kind of, once I had that first siding years ago, I started reading more. I started trying to find information about the subject, but not really going out into the field. So it wasn't until after he and I talked, and that's when we decided, okay, let's do this. But we wanted to, we didn't want to be like, we didn't want to have like any influences or anything like that or. We weren't into social media at the time. So we didn't know that there was actually a social media platform in this realm, you know, or for this realm. And so we were out there just really just pounding and pounding and, you know, growing on our own and making mistakes and finding out certain things work, certain things don't. and just blazing our own trail, basically, with the subject.

And for me, being, like I said, an avid hunter and a tracker, that was really what I was focused on. I needed, I realized I needed to understand what it was that I was looking for, first and foremost, and then how do I track it? I'm not tracking a human. I'm not tracking a known animal. how do I identify what I'm looking at? How do I identify a trackway, establishing a travel pattern, all these things?

So that's what I really dope into. And we just, we went everywhere. I mean, not just here in Ohio, but surrounding states. And, yeah, we just kind of just went and kind of honed in on what each of us wanted to bring to the table. and on my end that's that's what I wanted to figure out that's that would be a passion I love tracking so that's that's really what I dove into and we finally um we finally found like a research area what we consider okay this is our base this is this is what we're going to dedicate time and it happened to be at salt form now you know salt for

is kind of a mecca here in Ohio, you know, everybody, all the enthusiasts, you know, the so-called researchers, whatever, everybody gravitates to salt pork eventually. They get there. But we knew the areas that a lot of people were going, and a lot of people were just trail hiking. They'd go off 100 yards here or 100 yards there, and that was it. really getting in deep and salt fork is just over 18,000 acres and it's the largest state park in Ohio and there are some there's a few really remote areas in salt pork and we knew and I knew that you got to get in deep you had to get in as far as you could as remote as you could and the nastiest nastiest stuff to get results and

And so that's what we did. And that took us, that took us about three years out in Salt Fork and just really pounding it and pounded it and trying to find that one area, that one location in that park that would hold what we would believe, you know, stuff showing sign of the subject. And we'd actually found it. And it was through interactions. You know, we were getting the classic knocks through the days. Very light vocalizations, not, not, you know, whoops, loud whoops,

but little, little tiny chatter sounds. We had found here that they don't, they don't vocalize through the day unless you're really on top of them. It's mainly breaking twigs, breaking branches. They'll throw little stuff at you. They'll give you a little, you know, and a little, like, I don't know if you've heard people talk about samurai chatter, but you'll get garbled up, like, very quick, just different sounds, little light, subtle sounds

that aren't known animal. So we knew that this area was where we, needed to be and so we fast forward it took at that point then really to establish a track way to establish travel pattern so what we did was we went through the park and we would establish a trackway of bipedal tracks non-human and we found these and they were heading in the same direction throughout the whole the whole park And what we found throughout a very long process that they were traveling in a counterclockwise circumference of the park. And we average a guesstimation of roughly about five to 10 mile radius that they were traveling in a circle.

We honed in, really honed in on one spot. That was our spot. And we started researching it really heavy and documenting things that we were finding, structures that we believe weren't mother nature and weren't human manipulation. We would record the data, anything from heights to length to width, to everything that you could measure on these sticks that were put together, documenting sticks being taken away, sticks being added to them

throughout this whole area that we were researching. And then that in itself is what led me up to my what I consider today to be my actual full-long visual sighting of the creature.

I find it fascinating that it took three whole years to really to analyze the state park. And I think you have to, listeners have to realize how big this place is. It's massive. Yes. It is.

It's a really large, large area. I've been in, you know, and I've been in bigger areas, obviously, but, you know,

when I, when I talk to people, especially like the newcomers coming up, you know, don't think that this is going to happen overnight. You can go out and you can be off trail and you can be both swacking in and you can have something happen, sure. But I'm talking research and research and collecting data and getting the interactions where you know for a fact, it's not known animal and it's not human that you're dealing with something else. and in collecting all this data, it takes a long time to do.

And I try to stress that to the ones that are up and coming into the field that, you know, take your time, be extremely patient because it's going to take a long time. Do you have any advice for people that are like, you know, I got this, I got this place next to me. It's a big state park or state forest. you know, what are some best practices they might be able to do if they want to start going in there and they don't know where to start to try to analyze this place for where the Bigfoot places might be in it? Learn, learn the area, learn. So with tracking, I've learned top of maps through the years at a young age.

Learn your top of maps, learn the terrain, learn the area. do your research on the area understand the area go back in history of the area see what was there prior to the settlers go go as far back as you possibly can to who was there um learn the vegetation learn the wildlife learn the water sources uh once again learn learn the elevation the elevation will be a key factor and in in your research as you as you mature into your you're researching and you get further into it you're going to find elevation has a lot to do with their travel and with seasons so but that and don't don't think you know human you know I told a good friend of mine once that I told him I said get out of your own way get out of your own head

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I looked at it and I said, stop. I said, stop thinking like a human. Stop get out of your own way. They don't think like we do. They're very intelligent creatures, extremely intelligent, but they don't think like you and I. And you have to get out of your own way, clear your mind, relax yourself, stop thinking this isn't how I would do it, and just look at the landscape, read the landscape, walk the landscape, just clear it out of your head.

You're not looking for Sasquatch. You're not out there looking for Sasquatch. You're looking for evidence. You're looking for data is what you're looking for. If you have the encounter, that's great. And eventually through time in your research, yes, you are wanting to capture it in its natural state. And you want to be able to record it in its natural state. But just starting out and just learning, just relax, take your time.

clear your mind, stop thinking as if they're going to move and do things the way that you would do it. Because they're not. They're not at all. And once you're able to do that, and once you're able to get in there and just go, things will open up for you. You'll look at the area. You'll look at the woods in a totally different mindset. And things will start opening up for you. When you look at, let's say you were looking at a map of an area for, you know, the first time,

are there certain things that are going to jump out to you as potential areas that might be good to look into maybe like geographic forms or different bodies of water? Yeah, so what you're looking for is you're looking for deep caresses in the topo. deep channels, fingers that come out to points off of bridges that then drop down and there's water below, a stream, a creek, maybe even a river. You're looking for areas like that. You're looking for areas that are extremely remote. You're looking at it, like here in Ohio, I think our highest elevation, maybe down I'm pushing it maybe 1300 feet maybe 1300 so not very high in elevation but you want to look at the

highest elevation points as you can look for your fingers look for your points coming off in very dense areas look for the water source around those areas look for your deep drop-offs your your your big chance cutting through your big cuts, valleys in between the ridge lines, things like that. That's what you want to concentrate on and try to get as remote, as you try to find those areas as remotely as possible. Why is it important to find those ridges and those steep drop-offs? That's where they hold themselves. Okay.

on these ridges that that's where you're going to find that's where you're going to find their natural how do I explain this they don't they don't when they're in these areas and when they're on top they're going to take the high ground every single time they're going to take the high ground most wild animals will take a high ground it's it's just an instinct for it's an instinct for it's an for us, you know, you want to hold the high ground and you want to be able to observe everything around you. And I've found this not just, like I said, just here, I mean, in the Adirondacks and the Ozarks, all up and down the Appalachia. We find these fingers and we find these massive structures within them.

So that's, to me, that's why they want, that's why you find it there on these high points. They're very comfortable in these areas. They don't have to worry about, you know, outsiders coming in, they don't have to hide. They don't, they're just, they're relaxed in their natural state in these areas. You mentioned finding structures. Are there main things you look for that would differentiate it being a big foot structure from a potential bushcraft? I do, and I've done a lot of survival stuff as well as in building my own structures, things like that. You have to look at how much energy that you're putting into it.

And if you're out there in the wilderness and you're surviving in the wilderness, how much energy you're going to spend? Building something, you know, creating something, how much energy are you going to burn when you're eating vegetation? You're hunting, you know, what wild game there is. You know, it's, you have to think of all of these things. And then I look at the area itself. Like would somebody travel this far in just to make a TP structure? You know, what's the possibility? I look at human, you know, if there's any, it has been any type of human activity in that area.

I'm not just scouting, you know, non-human bipedal prints or tracts. I'm looking at natural gain, natural wildlife. I'm looking for human tracks. I'm looking for everything. And I know I can rule out, you know, those certain, well, the human aspect in ways of no humans being in this area. And then you look at wind. You look at, you know, Mother Nature itself. You know, how is in this area, what's it been like with Mother Nature?

What are the storms like? What are the seasons like? Are they harsh winters in this area? It's heavy snow load in this area. You know, you look at all of that stuff. You look at the trees around a structure. Do these trees hold these, is it the same style tree that the structure is created out of the trees that are around you? Are these branches part of those trees?

Are these trees large enough to hold these branches? You know, are they the size that will carry a branch, the size that's in the, structure. You look at all of these things to be able to rule out. Now, human manipulation to me is the hardest to rule out. Because I do know certain guys that do travel in, they push back very deep in, you know, just to camp and do survival videos and build structures. but once again with tracking I know if

there's been human in this area I know if there's been man and woman in this area and when I quickly rule that out there's no doubt that it's created by something else so and then

you get into then that follows up with what is it and why is it being built what's the purpose of it. And that in itself is a whole another part of research that that took us roughly

10 years to figure out. And it's just one certain thing. And certain structures, not all structures that we found, but certain structures that we have found hold a navigational data to it. So we know now for a fact because once we found it

actually my partner, once he found it and brought it to me and said you know, we need to take a look at this. We found that certain structures held navigation to them. So we took it out

of our area and we took it to three different states, two of which the Ozarks and in Georgia, I believe what's the second state, unknown locations to both of us, never been there before, studied the maps, did our thing, went, actually was able to find a trackway in both states, was able to find what we believed and knew to be structures created by, you know, something other than human or mother nature. We found certain structures then that held these navigational points and followed it strictly, strictly on just what the structures were telling us. and we were able to follow from one structure to another structure.

We were able to turn. We were able to read the structure, turn, and navigate a different direction to another structure. And once we did that, we came back here, and that's when my partner told me, he was like, dude, we got, we have to bring people in it. And we have to show them that we can do this. And at the time, I was very close chest with our research. I mean, I was, I was rocking key with our research. And finally, we decided, okay, let's do this. So we contacted a few guys that we really trusted.

And we brought them up. And they spent four days with us. And we went out. What we wanted to do was show them you can establish a trackway, you can establish travel pattern, you can get in front of them prior to them coming through, and you can document it as they come through the area. And we did it for three days out in the bush and had interaction and actually gathered some pretty pretty, amazing vocalization no more than 30 yards from our camp up above us on the ridge so it was it was big for for my partner and i it was huge um because now we we had we had individuals that we showed them you could do it and it happened and we got in front of them and they came through on us so it was

huge breakthrough for our research. That is incredible. Was that documented in any way? Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Is that available for the public in any way? Yes, it is.

It's actually on the sawdust beast. It's a four-part series on sawdust beast. Yeah. So people, if they want to see it, you got to go back. I think it was now it's been maybe six years. years ago, five years ago, something like that when we did it. So you got to scroll through, but yeah, it's on sawdust piece. So it's a four-part.

It sounds like it's very worth taking the time to go through that. If what you're talking about is all in that series, that's some good information for people to know. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely people should be checking that out. checking that out. And that all happened within Salt Fork, you said. Yes.

Wow. That is just so wild. It's hard for me to wrap my mind around, but I know it's a huge place. It's totally, totally possible. Do you mind if we go into talking about the time in Salt Fork when you had that very intense visual that you were referencing to before? Sure. Yeah, so this was 2015. We went out to our area.

Now, what made this day different than any other day, normally we would drive out, we'd get out of the truck, hit the ridge, go in, do our thing, come back out, get in the truck, and leave. This particular weekend, we had my wife and my partner's girlfriend at the time with us, we were camping up at the campground. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages.

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that day we get, which is also documented, and this would be on my partner's, page, Facebook page, House of Enoch. And you have to go once again scroll way back. But, so we're getting, I had a, I had a

little cam speaker, Bluetooth can speaker. And I'm a huge, huge fan of Jane Goodall. And a lot of my research is based off of how Jane does her stuff. and so but what I did was I put low-line silverback gorilla sounds on I downloaded on my phone and one of them was an aggression call

basically like a challenge call and we're going through we're making our way back into where we actually do our research and but we're already getting like things tossed we're getting you know things snapping you know on the ridge beside us and so I just stopped

we stopped for a second and I told my partner I said I'm gonna be going to play this this now and I blast this and immediately you get this

crack crack crack snap and then across her on the ridge across from us, you see this, I don't know, five, six foot long by maybe six to eight inches around, either a trunk of a tree or a huge, huge, huge branch of a tree come curling off the ridge towards us.

And so we're like, okay. All right. So we keep going back in and we do our stuff. We come as we're coming back out, we're being parallel on top of the bridge. And we would, we would, you know, just, we don't, we don't act on sounds. We don't, we trained ourselves early on. Don't turn and look directly would you hear. Don't acknowledge it at first.

Just keep doing your thing. Just try to ignore it as much as you can. be cautious of it being there, but just act like it's no big deal. So we're coming back out. We're being parallel from top of the ridge. So we dropped down onto the road. And once again, instead of getting in the truck and leaving, we walk the gravel road up to a bridge.

Now, in this area, it's where we research. on these three ridges it's surrounded I guess it'd be like the east side of it is surrounded with marshland but what cuts through this marsh is like a channel

so we walk up the road to this bridge where this channel goes out into the marsh we've got all of our gears stripped off my partner is sitting on the guardrail with his back to the marsh and he's facing me and I'm facing him.

And we're just talking, waiting for the girls to show up. And as we're talking, I just glance up. When I glance up, I see this huge branch of this tree pushed straight up in the air. And I see this arm. And then this thing steps out. And he comes up full body. And we just lock eyes. And we're just staring at each other.

Now, at this point, I freeze. My mind just, I go into a total walk. And I can't do anything. I can't do nothing but stare at this thing. I mean, we're locked in eye to eye. And he flares up. He flares out. His head goes back and his eyes go wide.

Never showed any type of aggression, nothing like that. And I've told people in the past. He actually had a look of like, I just screwed up. Like, oh, crap. They're not supposed to be here. He had just this dumbfounded look on its face. And we stood there and stared at each other for a few seconds. His body turned to the right.

His head stayed with me. He went to take a step, and his head turned. And in his step, he stepped down into the channel. and disappeared. Now, at this point, my partner's still talking. He has no clue what's going on. And as soon as this thing disappeared, I take off running down the road.

I'm wanting to get another vantage point of the sense. So I just take off running. And I can hear my partner behind me, and I can hear him like grabbing gear and stuff, and he doesn't, all he knows is we're running. That's all he knows. So I stepped into the marsh. And when I, I'm six one and when I stepped into the marsh, the top of the weeds came up to my chest.

And what I saw him was from the waist up. So very large. I go through, I go, I mean, in another way I describe it to people is at that, at that moment, you take, if you was to take every human emotion that you possibly could and you ball it up as like as tight as an atom and it explodes and that's that's the feeling I felt I could have I could have

I could have dropped to the ground and literally just bawled like a baby and it was but it was so much It was so much coming back. It was from years ago seeing what I saw all the years of my partner and I and all the research that we have done everywhere we had been. And I just came face to face with it. And I saw it.

Broad daylight. There he is. And it's real. Everything that I knew, everything, everything that all the data I was collected. everything that I was tracking where I knew in my heart and I knew 100% it was non-human, you know, I knew for a fact it was something other than that I was tracking all these things and there it was in front of me. And it was just, I went through a meltdown process is what I did. And people, you hear so many people, you know, why didn't you take a picture?

Why didn't you do this? Why didn't? And you have to be in a moment. You have to just be in the moment. You will, you will go through a meltdown process. We are taught. Since we're as little as you can, as far back as you can, you can remember, you're taught to identify. You're taught that this, this is a tree. This is grass. This is this is this is. You're taught all of this. So when you see something like this, your mind goes through this meltdown process. And it's trying to collect everything that it possibly can to make sense of what it is that you're looking at. And so it's grabbing every detail that it possibly can. And your mind is ruling out everything so quickly to then just, bam, it is what it is. And it's a saucewash. And they do exist. and yeah so and from there

manages I mean it set a fire in me and has not has not went out since that's incredible has what you seen that day or has anything ever come close to looking like what you saw yourself that day have you ever seen anything else artist representation anything like

that. One. Yeah. One. And, and I had a professional sketch artist, um, sketch mine. And when she sent it to me, I cried. Yeah, I, I, I couldn't hold back the emotion because she was so, and it was over the phone. It was, she would send me little things like working on the nose, working on the mouth, working on the forehead, just certain things. And we honed in, honed in and honed in. And when she finally sent it to me, I just, I broke down. And that was him. And then one other, I was talking to a guy.

And he sent me what he had seen. And he had actually had a sketch artist due his years and years ago. and what was odd that was mine she did mine in black and white

there's no color to me but when he sent me his what I saw was a reddish brown very leathered skin

dark-complected I put it as like a Middle Eastern tight skin as in like

tight no facial hair except on the sides but nothing in the front no hair on his chest and very broad shoulder but when he sent me his picture

I was like oh my God and this is coming from Ohio and his was I want to say maybe text or somewhere somewhere out in that area and you hold them both side by side and look at them and look the characteristics of both of them and I was like oh my god you know oh my god this this is this is a species this is this is this is yeah the we're looking at a species here is that sketch drawing that you had done is that available to see anywhere is that kind of a private collection thing for you no no it's it's it's it's out there on my on my page on my uh facebook page yeah gotcha um seeing what you saw that day uh you know dead on you got a great look at it did that affect what you had thought about what bigfoot was before then or did it just most yeah yeah definitely okay no all the uh

100% prior to it it was a it was a a North American grade 8 okay a hundred percent couldn't couldn't change my mind and when I saw it and I saw the human characteristics in it there was there was there was no mistaking that at that point for me anyways my my personal opinion is somewhere somewhere on on the tree we we share DNA there was just there was too much

in his face that that just there's human there's there's there's human characteristics his eyes

the way he looked at me just everything the emotion I mean that that he showed with with the like oh Dan you know

of like I just screwed up just there's too much there and that's I yeah I changed my mindset on that very quickly that is I mean that that's extremely interesting and going off of that you you know you hear all these stories about hunters or you know people that they have the ability to try to take a shot but they just can't because the way that it looks it's just just they can't tell exactly, you know, what it is. It's just... Yeah, there's there's absolutely no way. And certain areas I carry my sidearm with me.

But it's, it's honestly, it's for cat and it's for bear. And even then, it's just a deterrent. It's the sound. I'm using it for the sound to get them back. off of me. I could not, even if it was a situation

where it was life-threatening, I honestly, I don't know, I don't know if I could pull the trigger. I say that. I mean, I don't know. I've never been that close quarters with one, but right now

I mean, thinking of a situation like that, I still don't know if I could do it. I honestly don't know if I could, you know, put one down. So, and I've said that many times that, you know, you don't have to drag a body out of the woods to prove the existence. You don't have to do it, you know, and what's it going to do anyways? They're going to throw it on a slab. They're going to dissect it and they're going to tell you what it eats.

It doesn't tell you anything about the creature. It doesn't tell you anything about them. So for me, you don't have to drag a body out. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. If you want something done right, you do it yourself. That's why you change your own oil. You wouldn't trust your engine to just anybody. So go with the full synthetic motor oil you can trust.

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Yeah. Yeah, it would take both. Yeah. It would most definitely take both. But I believe that now where I am and what I can do, what I've shown people I can do, can do I know I know I can do it you know it takes time it takes a very long time I have I have you know a collection I don't put I put very little out on social

media if it's not if you have to if you have to go into great detail and depth of what somebody's looking at when you put a video out there or even a picture It's not worth putting it. Bottom line. And me and my partner are holding very fast on that. So, yeah. And we have peers, certain individuals that we bounce stuff off of each other. We share certain things with each other.

And if they say no, then it's no. It's not good enough. And it takes a lot of dedication, though. people need to understand it takes a lot of a lot of dedication exactly it's not you know you weren't just doing like you weren't just out for a weekend like this has been 14 plus years leading up to this point which i mean some people listening to this that's more than half their life or almost yeah full life it could be uh if i think about it um i'm sure there's some people that are thinking, oh, low land, silverback, guerrilla aggression call, that's the key.

So do you recommend people bust that out, or is that kind of a, I did it, but I wouldn't really recommend it for certain reasons, deal? Yeah, don't understand. Get familiar with what it is. Understand what it is that you're doing out there first and foremost. Put some time under your belt. get comfortable in an area. If you know for a fact that you are dealing with this subject out in the field,

put some time under your belt, they need to understand that, you know, in the three years to identify and to get to that point of, okay, this is our research area, this is how far in we have to go. they need people need to understand that in that three years we would only be able to go in so far and we would get sounds and we would leave and we would come back get sounds and leave and come back over and over and then eventually we'd be able to go a little farther in and and get a little more

interaction and leave and come back and leave over and over and over and over again and then a little farther and a little farther, back and forth, back and forth, that took every bit of three years, of gaining that what we think is trust with them. Okay. Now, even with that, with that said, now, I mean, we're into it years now going to this area and researching this area.

One particular day, we get triangulated. One's behind us, one's on the ridge to the right, one's on the ridge to left. And I'm talking aggression. I'm talking pounding and trees bashing. You can hear whatever size branches that they're smacking up against a tree. You can hear it splintering from all three of them. And they were pushing us.

And when they would push us, they would maneuver themselves. The one on the right would push farther ahead of us. The one on the left would drop down elevation a little bit, but stay right with us. The one in the back would push forward a little more. Once we started to move, it would lighten up. The knocks would lighten up. The sounds, the grounds would lighten up. As soon as we would stop, it would be total aggression again.

And they would move. They would, the one behind us would flank to the right or flank to the left a little bit. the one on the left would go back up elevation, the one on the right would drop elevation. And they did this for a mile and a half of pushing us out. And this was years after we had already established with them. And this one particular time, it was, oh, no, no, oh no. So, and then it even got to the point to where we had to make a decision. because the way that they were pushing us, you're getting ready to walk into a huge growth of thickets.

And I'm talking eight feet tall, just nasty, gnarly stuff. And I told my partner, I was like, absolutely not. I'm not going in there. I am not going to lose line of sight. I'm not going to do it. So our option, our only option, was to make a hard left to drop down into the bottom and then go back up to the ridge on the left where one is. So as we're standing there talking, all of this stuff is happening, and you can hear them maneuvering themselves around us, all around us.

And finally, we drop down and go back up, but right as soon as we made the hard left to drop down, in the thickets in front of us, we get the lowest grow, vibrating sound I've ever heard in my life of just pure evil, just nasty. And still to this day, every now and then, we'll bring that up with each other. And we'll talk about a little more, like, what was the intent there? Were they just pushing us and steering us out completely out? Or were they actually trying to get us to go in there? And if they were trying to get us to go in there, what was in there? What would the outcome have been? You know, we will never know.

But, you know, but it was a learning experience for me as a tracker. It was a learning experience. It would they, they told me, they showed me how they maneuver what they do. Their instincts of hunting, if they were to be hunting, they showed me how they, how they move as a team, as a unit and what they do. So these are things that my partner and I in our research. This is how our minds work and things like this occur. We're collecting so much. It's not just, oh, wow, I can't believe that happened.

That's great. No, we look at it as, okay, what did we learn? What just took place? What did we learn about them in this particular time? You know, so it gave us a lot, you know, it gave us a lot of data on them that day. It's a really interesting approach to it. Are you and your partner documenting this in any way? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. So we constantly record. We're constantly drop pinning our location on my garment. I'm downloading my tracks as we go, things like that. So two years ago, my partner went back through everything that we did. all the drop pins that we did, all the, all the, um, all the, um, all the, um, all the, all the travel that we've done. And this was like two years ago. And he had, he had estimated that we had traveled 5,000 miles from the, from the point of, of starting our research and, and,

and recording, you know, our research up to about two years ago. We had, we had traveled 5,000 miles Central research. To go back to the original question, I mean, I would not, I would not recommend any type of, you know, anything to, to provoke them in any way. Give them the respect and, and honor that from them and understand, you know, what, what they're wanting, you know, when they, when they give you a chatter and respect that. There's all always there's always the next time there's always the next day there's always the next weekend leave the area respected that makes that makes perfect sense for sure do you feel like there's ever a time where you've had any type of communication with them oh no i don't i don't know i so um it's been two years now it was

I believe May of 22 I wanted to go out and then I wanted to do a night time in this particular area I wanted to go completely dark and I wanted

to document this and through IR and air thermal of where they would travel from. So prior to getting dark, I get my blind set up. My partner is, where I'm set up, I got my back against the tree. I got my blind in front of me. I'm facing, like looking up towards the top of the ridge. My partner is to my right, about 5 o'clock to my right, about 20, yards down from me. So right before it gets dark, I show the trackway. I show people, okay,

you know, they're going to come from the top of the ridge, they're going to drop down from my left, they're going to drop down midway on the ridge, they're going to make a hard left, and they're going to come towards me, and the trackway will cut right in front of me, roughly 20 yards in front of me, 25 yards in front. So, and I knew that this was roughly the time that, that it or they would be coming through. So we get set up, everything's set up, we're completely dark, blacked out, and I hear it, I hear it coming, tested all of our gear like we always do prior to going in, Everything is fresh, new batteries, new SD cars, all that jazz.

So everything works. So this thing drops down the ridge, it's a hard left. It's coming towards me. I'm texting my partner. He's coming. It's here. It's here. It's coming.

It's on top of me. I light everything up. I light all my thermals up. And everything is. things all. Everything, my, my IR scrambles, my screen just picculates, I get nothing.

Everything, everything drops out. 100%. Now this thing is dead smack in front of me. And the only thing that at that time, the only thing then that I could do was just light the area up. That's all I could do. So I hit my,

I hit my lights. I light the area up. There's absolutely nothing standing in front of me. Absolutely nothing. My partner makes his way up to me. I walk out, we walk out. There's his impressions in the ground. I turn around, I track it all the way back to where I first heard it coming off the ridge.

I track it all the way back up to the ridge, and I turn around, I trap it all the way back down to right in front of me and there's no exit. There's absolutely no exit point, no tracks, no nothing. It was gone. At that particular time, I believe that I was... If you want something done right, you do it yourself. That's why you change your own oil. You wouldn't trust your engine to just anybody.

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This is me, once again, this is my thought in where I was at in my head. space that it showed me something that I don't think very many people have ever witnessed. And I think that you need to be, I think you need to be connected in a certain way for this to happen. And I would have never thought that prior to this night. Once again, like prior to my sighting, I thought they were just a great eight, up to this point they were flesh and blood an animal and that is it nothing else I was very close-minded I didn't and I hate using the word woo I despise the word move I wish we could figure out another word to say but I was not there at all

I'd shut you down in a heartbeat over over that stuff up to that point And then I started really researching, getting into the stories of people that have had this happen to them. And in those group of people, there's not many out there. There's not a lot of people out there that have had something like this happened. So I honestly believe that that night I was given something. I really do. Now, you know, it's not talking to me. it wasn't speaking to me or anything like that,

but I take that as a form of communication. That's extremely interesting. Yeah, no, that's, that it seems, you know, and I'm not as far as you guys are for sure, but the further you get into it, you definitely, you start to realize some really interesting things, kind of as you go along. Have you ever had it where you have a recorder

and it picks up sounds that you didn't hear live at the time? All the time. And if it was recorded by the recorder, it's so close that you should have been able to see whatever it was, you saw whatever it was. You know what I mean? Yeah, I've had my record. actually two weeks prior to that night that happened I had my recorder not even

not even 25 feet away from me and I'm I'm sitting there and I absolutely nothing heard absolutely nothing but I went I left it there and but I know the times you know when I was there during the recordings you could hear me you know getting off and moving away and walking off. So I knew up to the point of me walking off, I'm there. So what I captured on the recorder, though, I didn't hear it. I didn't hear it at all. And is it, what is it paranormal? Is it, was it a softwatch? I don't know, but my recorder picked up an audio. It picked up something that I Twitter way did not hear.

I've had many. We, we have had my partner and I, and even guys that we go out with in Bushwack, guys that, you know, research the way that we're researching, how we go in and do things. We've all had it. We've all had it happen to us. Like how in the head,

why did we not hear this? How could we not hear this? And one reporter would pick it up. And another recorder 20 yards away didn't we pick it up. Didn't take it up. How is that possible? Three recorders would go dead. One recorder would be just fine.

It doesn't, yeah. Yeah. The more you're right. And the more you get into this, the more you're out there, the more you research, the more open-minded you become. And you really, you have to evolve. in your research. You have to evolve as your mind and thinking and you just you have to grow with it and you you just have to accept certain things. That's a part of research and that's a

part of being a researcher. You have to look at everything and that's one thing I beat myself up on now is why was I so close-minded all those years, all those years just being so close-minded, you know, of no, there's no way. No, there's no way. There's, yeah. Why? That's, that's not research. That's not what it's about, you know. So that's that's, that's where I am now with my research. There, there's, there's, there's something more to this. There's two, there's, there's, there's, there's too many stories out. There's not a lot of people that had what I had happened to me happened to them. There's not, there's not, There's not many people out there like that, but there's too much.

When you go back into history, when you start reading history of encounters and this happens to them, you know, there's just, you have to look at it. You have to at least look at it, you know. It's a really interesting thing that you guys have going on there. Feels like, or hopefully, I hope that it continues to progress and it sounds like. Like you guys are still going out and researching in current day, correct? Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

It doesn't stop. It just doesn't stop. How can it stop? You know, when you gather as much as you have, the data that you have to just walk away, you can't just walk away. You can't just, oh, okay, that's enough. I'm done. You know, let's go find something else.

You can't. You can't. What if Bigfoot was discovered in southeast Oklahoma tomorrow? Would you still continue researching in your area? Most definitely I would. Yeah. Most definitely I would. There's always, always stuff to learn.

You know, there will always be things to learn. Just, you know, if it came out tomorrow, you know, here it is. This is it. it doesn't stop the research doesn't stop you know um and that goes back to jane you know good all she found him she studied she didn't stop you know there was always more to learn always more to learn absolutely oh and eric it has been it has been a really enjoyable conversation with you you guys are doing some some awesome research out there Thank you for hanging out with me tonight and for sharing what you guys have accomplished so far.

Are there any ways that people can reach out to if they have things they want to share with you or how they can keep up to date with what you guys are doing or if you guys are just kind of in the background, that's fine too, you know? Yeah, I mean, you can find me on Facebook, you know, Eric Kitton. I don't go buy anything else for my name. So I'm out there. Yeah, if people have questions or whatever, message me, you know. Yeah, and I travel. I've been out where people have called me and said,

hey, is there any way that we can meet up and you can, I've got this going on or this going on. And yeah, I love doing that stuff and I love talking to people, you know, so most definitely. But yeah, you can find me on Facebook. Fantastic. Well, Eric, thank you so much for chatting tonight and we'll have to be in touch with you in the future and have a great night, sir. definitely thank you very much please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on youtube making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications and share the episode on youtube with a friend also if you're listening to us on a podcast thank you so

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Who cares what anybody thinks? I know what I saw. I know what's out there. That's all I care about. Please let people know. Please let them know if you ever see one of these things. You need to tell. Because if you don't, then shame on you.

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