Family of Bigfoot Found in Oregon: A Paranormal Investigator’s True Encounter
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01:09See Loz.com for details.Visit your nearby Lowe's on West Pico Boulevard in Los Angeles.You're listening to Bigfoot Society and I'm Jeremiah Byron.In this show, we go beyond the campfire stories to bring you first-hand encounters from people who say they've seen something impossible.from backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways.The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers.These are the voices of the people who've lived it, so settle in because today you'll hear another accountthat just might change the way you see the woods forever.
01:46So stay with us.All right, Bigfoot Society, you've got the privilege of talking to Mr. Darren Shawl today.He is an individual I got connected to over on the Facebook platform.And a little background about Darren.He's been a paranormal investigator for 30 years and a cryptid investigator for the past six years.And we're going to be talking about really what's been happening during those six years.Welcome to the show, Darren.How are you doing today, sir?
02:14I'm doing very good. Thanks for having me on.Absolutely.Now, let's start here.So when you say, just maybe a little background.So when you say paranormal investigator, are you, for the 30 years, are you the kind of guy that you've been going out in investigated houses that are haunted and things like that, just so we're on the same page as you?Basically, what I do on that for the last 30 years is houses, cemeteries, locations in the wilderness, pretty much wherever I get a call to go to, to check things out and try to help the homeowners feel a little bit more at ease with their circumstances and in the situation.station so absolutely and from what i would gather and maybe from what i know a little bit behind thescenes it sounds like there was some thing that happened that kind of got your focus to go over
03:12to the cryptid side a bit a funny thing is me and my team went up to this old abandoned homesteadthe funny thing is I was stopped in the supermarket and some people around town happened to know who I am or what I do and it was a hunter and he said that he was up at the old homestead and he had seen a woman standing in the field calling his name and he didn't feel very comfortable with that so he ended up getting out of that situation so I talked to my crew and I said hey we've never been up thereWhy don't we go up there and it sounds like it's a hot spot?Let's go figure this out.And so we go up.We did our initial investigation.And we had talked to the local historical society and they said the cemetery is down the hill a little ways.And of course, the cemetery is paranormal investigators.
04:14Let's go talk to them.These people were treated very horrible up here and they were pretty much abandoned.So they've got to have a story to tell them.While we were looking for the cemetery is when we stumbled.And stumbled is the only appropriate word is we stumbled upon a family of Bigfoot.And it just took off like a shot.And that was the start of our cryptid investigations.Wow, Darren, that's intense.
04:46And I know a lot of listeners right now are like,Family Bigfoot, that's awesome.Where is it? So we can say it's an organ, right?Because we don't want to exactly give out the exact location because over the last six years,we've been able to go back during certain months, and we are successfully locating andtracking these things. They have a pad. These Bigfoot, these us watch, this pod, this family,they have a cycle,they have pattern that we've been able to track
05:21and we're very successful at every yearthat when we go back up during these monthsand during these times,we are running into them.I'm not saying that we're all friendlyand we don't name them or anything.We're encountering them every single yearlike clockwork.
05:43Some fascinating stuff.So when you say family or a pod,which I would assume is the name,name we're using for the group of them. What kind of individuals and types are you seeing inthis pod? What we found that one day that started this whole thing off was we come acrossthis little meadow and it's on a little valley and we're up on the ridge a little bit and we're beingloud. We're being your normal hiker. We're just hiking through the woods, talking loud, just beingand obnoxious and joking around
06:19and we're like, okay, we're gonna go find the cemetery.And we go to wherewe were told the cemetery is.Oh yeah, it's over here.Here's your coordinates.We get down to where it is and we're like,okay, there's nothing here.And one of my guys looks down,
06:36we're probably about 85, 90 feet away from them.And he looks across and he's like,there's something down there.And we've got thermal.cameras and we got everything else. So one of my guys with the thermal camera gets aon thermal camera. We've got one hiding behind a tree and we've got that video on our YouTubepage where you can see a bright hot object hiding behind a tree peeking around. And what it was,there was two females and two juveniles. We could tell that they were females. And so we're
07:16watching them and they're watching us. I think it was more of a situation ofwe all caught each other off guardand they were just hidingthey were hiding behind trees and peeking aroundand we're justwe're staring at themand they're staring at usand we got the feeling that
07:32they just expectedthe crazy humans just to walk on pastand not really paying any attentionand then they were just stuck therewhile we're starting watching themtheir hair was just like a dark blackand then they were aboutseven feet tall
07:49for the two femalesand then the juvenileswere probably aboutfour and a half feet tallas we'restaring at themone of my guys goeshey we had a whoop at him
08:03and see up the whoop backso westarted whoopingthat's when we got a returnwhoop from behind usand when we turn totake a look and be likeokay, what's behind us?
08:21We turn back around and we're like,okay, we can't see anything,but this is kind of getting more crazy.Let's focus on the females and the juvenilesand focus on what we can see.By that point, they had that little momentto take it off from the valleyand that's where we lost contact with it.
08:37You have two females, two juveniles,and then you heard something behind you, correct?Correct.Because what we've been finding outis normally you've gotin our podthe big mail has a central areaof this wider area
08:58because we've done some interviewswith people who have seenwe call him the silverbackborrowing a term from guerrillasand we've interviewed a bunch of peoplein the next town over and they sayoh yeah we just he comes aroundhe gets in the garbage cans he's by
09:14himself and he's just a big nine-footerbut we have had interactions with other males.So we're believing that those would be more of the teenagers,the younger males that aren't exactly the big alphathat seem to be protecting the females and the kids.We've had rocks thrown at us,and we've been hit with that stench,which we're thinking is maybe like a skunk response.
09:45I'm going to have to fast forward a year here,We see the females, juveniles.We get out of there.We're all taped up.We're excited.We give it a year.Go about our business.The following year, the next April, we go back up.
10:01And we start finding, like, these nests.Something had pushed down on these trees and filled them with burns.And we had been going to start to go on at Bigfoot conferences and trying to learn everything that we could.and there's one up in the Olympic Peninsula where they've been finding these big hand-woven nestsfill with huckleberries.And their research says that huckleberries have been medicinal quality for childbirth and motherhood.Our altitude is too low for that for huckleberries, but bracken ferns grow plentiful.And if you look at medicinal qualities of a brack and fern, it also has childbirth and motherhood type
10:48ailments that they can fix. It's a good medicinal property.That's year two. We start finding these nests everywhere. We get rocks thrown at us and it's a biggermale and it's stalking us. It's walking in the creek next to the trail there and we stopand we're talking and we get hit with that awful smell. We tried to describe how bad it is,but it's just this pungent, just bad.But it didn't linger long.It just hit us like a skunk would spray you.So you're aware that, hey, I need to get out of here.
11:33So we kind of looked around and I saw two branches from another tree.You pulled down and then something pull itself up over the bank.I didn't get a great view of it, but it was definitely something large,pulling itself up over the bank, get away from us.So, yeah, we ended up leaving that day as quickly as we could.I'm curious, why was it that you waited a whole year before going back up there?We were still doing the paranormal stuff pretty much full time.And we had other cases and everything else lined up.
12:12And then it was, we get back around towards January and we had gone up to our local Squatchfest.And then we started talking about it.We're like, you know what? We need to go back out there. And also, we needed to have time to learn what we're doing and how we're doing it and talk to people that do it full time and get the research in because we're used to sitting in an abandoned building at three o'clock in the morning talking to a broken radio. And now it's like, okay, now we've got to change our way of thinking to we're going to be out in the wilderness and how are we going to do this and how we're going to do this and how we're going to.approach this. I think that's very smart of you. A lot of people would probably just be like,all right, let's hit it hard and not take the time to get that foundation in there. Hats offto you guys. Is this a thing where you are trying to get footprint cast as well? Try to get anyevidence of any kind when you're up there in the area? We actually have pulled out three differentfootprints in the first, okay, you can't count the first year, but the next three years after that,
13:27we've pulled out footprints. We go with the basic logic of, okay, everything that's living needswater, it needs food, and it needs shelter. We track the water sources. Where's the streams,where the cricks, the rivers, what's close to here, what's the food supply like, everything'sgoing to need to eat and it's going to need to water it eventually sometime during the day we'vegot to put ourselves in that mentality of okay these are the things we're looking for if the questionthat myself and my team ask ourselves when we enter a situation is if we were stuck in the woodswhere's the food where's the water that we would be able to survive off of it's been a lot ofhomework on our end of the like I said if we're ghost hunting you're in a building you're in a building
14:19You're out of the elements.You've got a water bottle.You got a snack on you or something like that.Wilderness survival.You've got taken into effect.Know your weather.Know the weather turns,especially up on these mountains that we go on to.
14:36Yeah, it's just been a lot of educationbefore we started rolling out to do it pretty much monthly.Okay, gosh.Now, for the last few years,it sounds like you're going up there every month,which is awesome.Has there been a time when you've been,able to get a really good look of these saskatch that you have up there.
14:56You mentioned that you were able to see one go up the side of a bank, maybe with a tree,but have there been any other sightings that you've been fortunate enough to have?It was the initial, but all we had was a thermal camera.The one with the male pulling itself up for the bank, we were not rolling any cameras.So after that one, we started buyingGoPro's body camerasoutfitting ourselves out to the extreme.Over the last couple years,
15:30I'm going to stress this.I can't stress it enough.We are not friendly with them.We have been run out.We've had rocks thrown at usif we get too close.We don't name them.I know some people who run into these things all the time,
15:45they name them.We have,Okay, let me go three years back.We were going up.Local area, it's April again.We were not rolling on anything.We had no cameras rolling.I had one of my team go down a trail that we had never been down before.
16:10And me and the other guy were sitting there.We were actually charging up our GoPro's, a little solar battery thing.And we're sitting there and we're having lunch and we're just talking.And we look across into the swampy area.And there's a juvenile male peeking around a tree at us.And I'm like, of course they're coming out right now.They know that everything's plugged in.And that one, no, we didn't get anything on camera,
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18:57or what they saw looked maybe more ape-like.Did it fit either of those,or was it maybe something completely different than those two?This pod, this family that we have in following,they've got more of a gorilla face with a flatten nose, dark hair,skin color is it's not real like chimpanzee,and it's not gorilla dark.It's like a, and in between those two.
19:36Gotcha.Did it have a certain shape to its head at all?They got that classic cone on the top of the head there.That's about the only way I can describe it is it just has that Gimlin Patterson film Coned Head.Gotcha.Gotcha.This is something I've never experienced before, but you mentioned that you guys have experienced.and that's you've been run out of the area at least once.
20:09Can you walk me through what it's like to be run out of an area by,I guess at least one Sasquatch would be involved?It's,the times that we get run out are the times we get entirely too close to a nest or a feeding ground.The last time we got run out,we ended up finding a killed zone.There was just a massive,bones just spread out over this little area.
20:40There's an elk refuge up in this area, too.Something had to kill a couple elk and just rip them apart.And as we're up there, and we're trying to document it, and that's actually where we pulledanother footprint, was right next to one of the bodies.Some of us started feeling very sick.We wanted to say it was infrasound, but we can't really document that.but then there was the rocks being thrown at us.Started out just small rocks going through the trees.
21:11So you kind of hear something hitting trees next to us or falling at our feet and then it's small.And we kind of started the move a little bit quicker.We're like, okay, quick take pictures, take video.The footprint was still drying.We're like, okay, we'll leave.We'll come back and we'll get it in an hour or something.And as we're leaving the woods and heading down this trail, the rocks are getting a little bit more frequent, a little bit bigger.We're hearing growls behind us, so it's now become more vocal of you guys need to leave.
21:48Your time is up, you need to leave.You were somewhere you weren't supposed to be.So we ended up getting chased probably a good quarter mile back to the truck and just continually having things thrown at us.when we got to where the truck is,there's a little creek off to the left-hand side of the trail,and you could hear something splashing through the creek,really making it obvious that I'm over here,you need to be aware, you need to get out.
22:19So we ended up loading up in the truck,getting a majority of everybody out, safe and sound,and we came back with just three of usto go retrieve the footprint real quick.What was that like going back to retrieve the footprint?What were you guys experiencing?Did things rev up when you went back into that area?Were you able to get in and out pretty quick?
22:45We kind of ran it.My guys basically parked the truck, and they ended up running down to it,pulling it out of the ground, throwing it in a rain poncho,and then running back out as quickly as they could.I did not go with them in the go back.back and get the footprint. I was trying to deal with getting the rest of the crewcalmed down a little bit. And they said when they parked and entered the trail, they said therewas no birds, there was no chipmunks, there was no sound. They just felt like they were watched
23:17and they were stalked the entire time. They said they just flat out and ran it justno cameras, no body cameras, no packs, no nothing, just get in, get out. Can't leave. Youleave this behind, it's a good print.That's really intense.What dimensions are the tracks that you've been able to pull out of this area?The smallest one was 14.5 inches long, by like about 3 to 4 inches wide.And the longest one we pulled out was 16.5 feet and about almost 5 inches wide.Gotcha. So 16 and a half inches by five, yeah?
24:10Yeah.Okay. Wow. Have you guys ever used any of your paranormal investigation equipment in this same area to see if it registers at all?We've tried to use some stuff. Our spirit boxes really don't give off a lot of anything.The EMF meters, there's two areas that we get a little bit of a spike to it. But we're notdepending on the type of year is when we try to do more of the sits,sit down in the woods and just focus on thingsbecause we've noticed that there is now.There is a pattern to these woods on when things come and when they go.
24:52Now like all the aggressive males go further up the mountain in April and May,the females happen to leave the mid part of the mountain, June, July, and August.And then June, July and August, we don't go up there because there's a whole different creature that likes to inhabit that area that we don't like to deal with.Is that something we're able to talk about at all, or is that just a subject we're not really going to get into?Oh, we can discuss it for the past three years in the area in the summertime, June, July, and August.we have beenactively stalked,chased,
25:39witnessed dogman.Yeah,there's a nice little pack of them.It started out with twoand we were stocked out of there by that one.We left up game cameras three years ago.Because we're like,okay, we haven't really seen much in the summertime.
26:02Let's put up game cameras,leave them up there a month,and we'll come backand try to figure out what's going on with this area in the summertime.You know, why is all the activity for squatching just dead, June, July, and August?There's, you know, every time we go up there, there's nothing going on.So it's like, let's put up game cameras.We had actually ended up going back up to the old Hon and Homestead do a paranormal thing.
26:28And it was like, okay, on our way back down, we've got game cameras.Let's go in and grab them and see what we got.They've been up there a month.me and my buddy Jamesgo in to where the game cameras areand we get up to where they areand we've got everybody at the truckwith the bionic ears and sound amplifiers
26:51and one of them is like radioing us and sayingI'm hearing breathing in the woodsso I'm likeokay we'll make this quickmaybe this is going to be one of the hostile encounterswhere they're going to chase us.Well, grab the game camera,and I happen to look up into the woods
27:12where the person's pointing to that's right there.That's when I see a seven-foot-tall bipedial canine.Got kind of like a German Shepherd head,and it's staring at me.So I grabbed the camera and I back out of there.I'm not taking my eyes off it.It's watching me.I'm watching it.
27:34I go back to back with my buddy James down on the trailhead and I'm like, dude, we need to get out of here.There's some, I'm still staring this thing dead in the eyes.And he's like staring at the crick on the other side of the trail and he's like, there's one over there.James has a pistol and he draws it.I am not armed.All I have his little hunting knife.So we start back and out of there real carefully, quietly.I'm still keeping eyes on mine.
28:09He's looking down and he's looking at it.We get in the truck and we get out of there as quick as we can.The next year we went up there and we're just like, okay, beginning of June, should be okay.No, it wasn't okay.We're stocked where we found these tracks.We're trying to find these tracks and they're,we couldn't cast them.They looked like big foot tracks,
28:41but they're just the plant material underneath all the treesor just pine needles and everything else.We're like, yeah, we're not going to be able to cast this.Let's try and track it down and see what we can find that we can cast.And I stayed up on the road because I'm like, okay, I'm going to stay up here.I'm going to keep an eye out for things.we wear these shooting earmuffs that amplify all the exterior sounds.And I hear branches cracking behind me.
29:12And I am armed at this point because we're like, okay, we're getting towards dogmen season.We shouldn't have something handy.And I turn around and I see a dogman peered out from behind a tree.And then I hear a sound off to the right of him.And there's another dogman.And then there's a third dogman that pops up and a little bit smaller.definitely a young man.The guys come back up
29:37and I have notdrawn any weapons. I'm just staring at these things.I'm like, okay, we need to go.He's likelooking in the woods and he goes,okay, I see that oneoff to the left. I go, uh-huh.And then look over about 20 feet
29:55and then another 30 feet off of that one.And so he's eyeballing.He's noticing.Our third guy, we've been finding this.We can only estimate that it's a Bigfoot piling trees up.It's like one of those big teepees style things that Bigfoot seemed to be making from time to time.So he's like, I'm going to go over here.I'm going to check to see the progress on that one because it was three sticks.
30:26Then it was like 46.And he's like, I want to go see the condition that it's in.So I'm like, all right, just make it real quick.Then we got to get in the truck and get out of here.He gets back there and he says, there were three more things sitting around the tepee.And they were laying in the bush.And he's like, I could hear him.I could hear him breathing.
30:47They were snarling.So we got in the truck and we went further up the hill where all the squats were.When we came back down, because we got to take the same road in and the same road out.But we were trying to be funny and decide, okay, somebody had set up some targets at this little pullout for a target practice.Why don't we stop and we'll do some target practice, trying to make ourselves feel a little bit better?I think that was pretty much a mistake because we get back in the truck, we shoot some guns and hop back in the truck, and we start back down the hill.And my buddy Josh is in the seat in the backseat of the truck.and he's looking out the right-hand side
31:35and he goes there's something running beside the truckandwell James is driving and he's trying to pay attentionand I go down the window to try to turn aroundand get a better look at this thingand I can't see any details on itbut it's something is definitely running beside the truckand it's clocking us at 25 miles an hour
32:01and keeping upYeah, when I had the window down, you can get a really, that noxious smell of rotten meat and pet urine.It was just ugly.My goodness.So that puts everything in a whole different light.Now you're not just dealing with a pot of Bigfoot or a family group of Bigfoot in the area.You've also have this completely different cryptid to deal with.So to make sure I understand it.
32:34So you're saying that the Bigfoot leave during certain months and then the dog man individuals, they come into the same area.Now, the funny thing is about before we even dealt with the dogman, I was wearing a Bigfoot shirt.And I was at the local Fred Myers.And I was doing the self-checkout and was just trying to get in, get out, get home.and there was a lady at the self-checkout next to mine.She saw my shirt.And she goes, hey, I like your shirts.Did you happen to know there's some Bigfoot in the backwoods here?
33:17And I was like, oh, yeah, we've been out tracking them for a few years.And we're trying to understand them.So I go back to put it to myself.And then I'm just chitch chatting.And then she says some and she goes, yeah, the dogmen and the Bigfoot are always fighting for territory up by my.farm and they are always making such a loud racket at night and it didn't click rightaway and I was like oh that's interesting and then she was done with her stuff and she goesall right have a good day and I'm like okay and I was like wait a minute process process okay I need to
33:55talk to this woman trying to finish packing all my stuff pay as quickly as I can run out thestore try to follow her and now I'm an investigator I need to know more where's this farmWhere is this ranch?What time of the year is it that these battles are going on?If you got a wrestling match going on for free,but you want a front row seat.But I couldn't find her.Like I said, what we've been finding is it seems to be that the squatch
34:27seemed to be going up and down and over this mountaininto the next valley because there's a river on the backside of this mountain.so they seem to be doing springtime on my side.On this episode of plant killers,we'll explore one nation's most notorious fruit and vegetable killer,bad dirt.What makes bad dirt so bad?The answer?
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36:58We went to this little county park.Just out of the way, there's a legend of a horse thief who was hung.and people see this guy today.They'll be camping out, and they'll see a man and his dogwalk around the park, and when they turn on lights,there's nobody there.So we're like, okay, let's go out, we'll investigate this one.We didn't really pack for Bigfoot, didn't pack for Dogman.
37:27We just took ghost gear, and we're like, okay, we're just going to do this.As we're trying to find the hanging tree,and we talked to the historical societyand they said oh yeah you goin the park you take this trail you go back500 feet and there's the treewe start getting stalked by somethingwe're like okay this is weird
37:51people have seen squatch over hereand this seems to be the heart of their territorymaybe it's a squashwe don't see much don't see muchjust it's we can hear itaround us in the woods we get back outwe're like okaydo our little thing, get ready to wrap up, and we're walking toward the car.
38:12And one of the ladies that's been camping there for a while, she comes over and she goes,oh, you guys, ghost hunters?I saw your gear on your table.Yeah.You know, we also do Bigfoot, and there's been some reports of Bigfoot out here.She goes, oh, I've been here for about two weeks.I haven't seen any Bigfoot, but there is this giant dog, and she,puts a handout.
38:37She goes,it's about this tallthe shoulder,and she's aboutfive foot two,and it's about five feet.And she goes,yeah,
38:44it comes around on all fours.It gets into my dog's food at night.I have to chase it away.They want to try to get into the tent.We're just like,oh,this is great.And then we talk to the camp post,
38:57and they're like,oh, yeah,it's just a giant dog.He's just wandering around,and it's,you know,what dog is really five feettall and just roaming free.
39:13We're trying to figure out.The next step on this whole thing is what's the pattern?Where are they going?How are they going?How are they coming and going?Why do the big foot go further up the mountain during a certain time of the year?Do they feel safer?These things we've got to try to figure out.
39:33Did you say that the campus were rather like whatever about the whole deal?Like it's no big deal?Yeah, they said it's been hanging out for the last year or two, and it doesn't attack anybody.I'll see it four, five, six times a day, just walking through the camp.And I'm like, oh, yeah, it's.Then when they described it, they're like, it looks like a wolf, but it's about five feet at the shoulders.And it's a dark gray with black streaks.We try to look up dog breeds and have black streaks and are that tall.
40:15And it's like, we're really striking out a little bit.We like, does it look like a great game?Is it an Afghan?You know, like, it just looks like a mutt.It looks like a combination of a bunch.Incredible.Man, so knowing that you've got the two things going on,I'm sure you guys are protected in different ways when you're going up there.
40:52Yeah, most definitely.we were asked, I was asked on a different podcast,when you're fully armed to the teeth,how are the Bigfoot responding to that?Again, I don't want to say we're friendly and everything.We're on certain terms,but since we've been packing in firearms,when it's in the April-May months, March, April, May,
41:21okay for example this past may we did what we call the sit we just like okay it's april we're going to get in gilly suits we're going to go and we're going to park ourselves along this ridge at 20 foot intervalsyou know we all got cameras we're like okay we know that they're here experience and habit and routine it's just said that yes they are going to be in this area at this time we're strapped for pistols on our sideand in gillysuits,we're just hunker down,like I said,about 30 feet in between usdown this riverbed.
42:07And what we...This is another one of the things.It's kind of hard to definewhat it is we heard.But...And a bunch of us had heard it.So we're in gilly suits.We're laying on the bank,
42:24just looking like logs.We start hearing thiscooing. And that's the onlyword we can use to describe it isit's a highcooing.Like you would coo to achild. You're trying to calm down a child
42:44a little bit.Oh, come on.The best way I can describe itbut I kept getting closerand closer. And thenit's right underneath the ridgeunderneath me. I'm up a little bit higheron this over ahead
43:01and we didn't feel too threatened by itI think I was a little bit more spookedthat it was right underneath meand it was cooingand I was likeyou know what it's right underneath thisit's probably about three feet underneath meI think it's time to go now
43:25because it's getting real closebut we're just going through the motion ofthese things are verythey know when we show up.Even if we dissent ourselves, gilly suits,the minute that truck stops and it's a big old diesel,everything in the neighborhood knows that we're arriving.We don't draw pistols during the squash season.
43:56We don't even reach for them.It's primarily during the summertime months that we're a little bit more jumpy.When you've been sitting or doing the sit up there, have there been any types of other interactions that have happened between you, your team, and whatever creatures are out there at the time?The reactions with the Bigfoot scene be that, I mean, we, last time we sat there for two and a half hours and then we got the cooing.Some people will hear branches breaking and something moving slowly.there might be a little pebble that's thrown at usjust to see if we'll react.I think if we're posing no threat
44:44and we're just playing like we're a log,nine out of ten times,they're just, they'll throw somethingand see if you react.I think it's like a game to the juvenilesat a certain point of,oh yeah, there's humans over there.Let's throw rocks, see if they'll freak out and run.
45:00Normally it's just you'll have a few things hit a tree next to you.You'll get like maybe a little whoop,little howl in the background.Once they know that you're not going to react and play,then they just seem to just go about their business.Has anyone on the team ever checked for radiation levels in that area with like an RF meteror been affected in weird physical ways after being up there?One of our guys has had the constant like vertigo.
45:39He doesn't come up a lot.anymore just because of fact I just seem to affect him a little bit more as for radiation meters that isactually on our list of things to pick up for these things now there's been vertigo there's beenfeeling just lightheaded from time to time but as long as we're just if it's during the time thatwe would normally find a nest we try to avoid those areas because like I said they have a patternand they have a routine that they're going to be in these zones at certain times of the year inside their nest.So we stay clear of the nest during March and April.We don't go in that part of the swamp, you know, that part of the mountain.
46:27We try to basically just give them the room to breathe and do their thing.And I would say, and it's just our theory, mind you, that when the females are giving birth,that the older males are working century work.So they're the ones that are out in the outer perimeterprotecting the mothers and the newborns.And they'll normally throw rocks at us.Again, small rocks.Let us know, hey, you're not supposed to be here.
46:58Then they'll get a little bit more intense.But as long as we stay out of those zones,we seem to get along pretty fine.They're okay with us.they're okay with us being there as long as we're not in the crucial areas that we need to beif that makes any sense no it absolutely does and i would really it's on your list already but iwould recommend definitely getting some kind of rf meter just i think it's a thing that isdefinitely being talked about in the community where people are there's joe purdue out of
47:40west virginia they found the actual radioactive bigfoot footprint out therethere in that state.And I think it's something that needs to be a little bit looked into more.So I'm glad that you guys are doing that or planning to do that for sure.Yeah.Every year it seems to be a growing moment for the team and myself.The first year, six years ago, when we first encountered them, the only cameras we hadwere our phones.
48:12You're only going to be able to do so much with that.And then it's, we've grown into, okay, let's learn from everybody else, listen to, go to these Bigfoot festivals and conferences and learn from the people that have been doing it for a while.We've had the distinct honor to talk to Dr. Meldrum for the last couple of years and pick his brain and say, okay, this is what we're coming up against.What would you think about this one?So, you know, with his passing, we've kind of lost a resource.It's like, we don't know everything about these things.We're still learning about them.One question has been up to me was,
48:55if you've been run out of the area and chased by dogmen,why do you keep going back?And it's like, we want to know.It's the same thing that drives us to go into these apartment buildingsand stay there until 6 o'clock in the morning.It's like, I was, I grew up on a Patterson Gimland film,and my grandmother was from Arkansas,so there was always the legends and the myths,
49:19and I grew up with all that.But Bigfoot was never really the goal, I guess you would say.It's always been the ghosts.I was just like, I'm just going to stick with the paranormal field,and that's where I'm going to be,and then seeing them, seeing the two females and the two juveniles,it's like, now I need to know more about these things.So it's, like I said, every single year,
49:41we're learning something new,writing it down. We're putting it in ourarsenal and goingforward to the next year and okay, nowhow are we going to do this? How are we going to do that?Like I said, we've been castingfootprints when we find them.We're getting better at that.
49:57The first one was a very horriblecast, but it's likewe want to knowmore about these things.We just did an interviewa couple months back about aperson in the next town overand he gave us the exact
50:13location of the big old silverback.He's like, yep, if you come out during these months,he sits up on the hill and everybody sees him.Oh, wow.And yeah, he said he had the damage to his barn.He said one night he'd walked out and leveled out a 12 gauge and hit two blasts in the air.You know, something was out with his chickens and he leveled out two blasts to scare it away.And the next couple nights, something beat the crap out of his,
50:43barn and but a big holes in it.We got to look at the barn and there was a big old footprints right next to wherethis thing was just beating holes in the wall.It's like, all right.And he was like, you know, it's here all the time.It likes to come in.He's had to do something new with his chickens and make sure that it doesn't get his chickensall the time.
51:04He's like, oh, yeah, you go talk to someone.They're going to tell you the same thing.Their goats go missing.This is absolutely wild.Has anyone, have you talked to any locals that have been able to get like any photographs or video of when they're being messed with on their property?Nine out of ten times it's early in the morning and they're not really thinking cameras.They're going for shotguns and rifles because they're ranchers or farmers.Their livestock is being threatened and their main concern at that point is I need to go out and protect my livestock from.
51:43Getting taken.We've talked to them, hey, you know what, maybe if you put up some outdoor security cameras,and if you capture anything, you can let us get a copy of that.These are diehard country people, just they're out in the middle of kind of nowhere.They're just, it's an older generation.They'd rather shoot in the air with 12 gauge than stop and take a picture.No, that makes total sense.This has been a great conversation.
52:15I do have one last question for you.And have you or anyone on your team ever had any form of what you feel is communication with either the Bigfoot or the dog man that are in this area?I would say the only range of communication we've had was the cooing.Because it made us feel like it was trying to gauge us on how we were doing.because we had rocks thrown at us and we weren't moving and we were there for two and a half hours just laying there.So we feel the cooing was just like if you saw like a hurt dog, hey, buddy, hey, what's going on, buddy?We feel that was communication, but nothing, no psychic impressions, no, I don't know how else I'll put that.We just feel that the cooing was, hey, we're just going to, we're just going to check on you and you haven't moved in a while.
53:13dogmen on the other handthose have growled us andI can't say anythingpsychic justa lot of fearit makes senseand thank you for answering thatwell Darren
53:31I appreciate you coming on the show todayis a pretty cool one becauseit is definitely an ongoinginvestigation from what I would imagineyou guys are still goingthere's no end in sightfor this I would imagineI certainly hope not
53:47because I need to know more, my team needs to know more,and we've been willing to take more seasoned professionals out with usto get a better handle on what's going on.We put it out there towards other people to deal on squatchand have many more years of experience,and the offer always stands to anybody that wants to go out.It's like, yeah, come out.We know more about this than we do.
54:13We're young in this profession.We'll give you a time and a place to meet us.and we'll take you.That's awesome.At the end of our conversation here,you did mention a little bitthat it sounds like you do have a YouTube channel.Is there a way then that people can keep up to date
54:30with what you are doing?Are you doing videos about this investigation?Anything like that?Yeah, the YouTube channel has a lot of the squash videosor outdoor stuff or very normal stuff.It's just not everything.It's just a YouTube.dot com slash DBK investigations.
54:51That's great.I'll make sure to put that in the show notes for the episode so people can check that out.But Darren, thank you so much for coming on the show and definitely keep us in the loop withwhat happens in the future.Thanks for having me.Before we wrap this episode, I want to say something directly to a very specific group oflisteners.If you're in the military, any branch or forces, and if you've seen something that no one
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