Bigfoot Society - Fresno Nightcrawlers uncovered and terrifying stories of the Rake: California Creepy Pasta with Nick Valenzuela

Episode Date: November 23, 2022

Nick Valenzuela is a Fortean researcher and co-host of Mysteries Decoded (CW Network). He writes for Paranormality Magazine conducting “boots on the ground” style investigations into the strange and unknown. He specializes in traveling around the U.S. researching and investigating high strangeness cases in cryptozoology, ufology, and spectrology.Don't miss this episode all about the Fresno Nightcrawlers, the Rake and more with Nick!Resources:https://www.californiacreepypasta.com/https://www.instagram.com/californiacreepypasta/https://paranormalitymag.com/the-untold-story-of-the-fresno-nightcrawlers-part-1/https://paranormalitymag.com/the-untold-story-of-the-fresno-nightcrawlers-part-2/https://www.cwtv.com/shows/mysteries-decoded/lake-champlain-monster/?play=1a55dbae-836a-48e3-81dc-b58ab5ed6b32JOIN THE PATREON TO SEE THE VIDEO VERSION OF THIS INTERVIEW! www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety_______Join the only Facebook group for Van Meter Visitor fans - “Van Meter Visitor Believers” - See you there!https://www.facebook.com/groups/vanmetervisitorbelievers/?ref=shareFOR MORE INFO ON THE VAN METER VISITOR FESTIVAL:https://www.facebook.com/vanmetervisitorfestival/_______Join us over on Patreon! Get access to extra audio content, exclusive merch like a membership card and stickers, watch me interview guests weekly live on video, a Patron-only Discord and more.https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyPick up a Bigfoot Society shirt to rep the podcast!https://www.etsy.com/shop/BigfootSocietyTune in for new episodes of Bigfoot Society!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7QIG: https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Full links: https://bit.ly/bigfootlinks

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All right, Bigfoot Society. We've got the pleasure of chatting with a good friend, Mr. Nick Valenzuela. How's it going, Nick? So, Jeremiah. I'm doing well. Thanks for having me, man. Yeah, dude. I've been looking forward to this chat for a while.

I enjoy listening or I shouldn't say listening. reading reading in paranormality magazine you have some really cool articles that come out and we're going to talk about that later but you know you're uh let's let's talk to the listeners a little bit about what it is you've got going on so you've got you're writing stuff for paranormal paranormal magazine uh you are uh you're into 14 and stuff high strangeness cryptozoology you're all over the place you were in a uh a show about Champ. We'll talk about that a little bit later on.

But what other good stuff does our audience need to know so they can get up to speed about what you got going on, Nick? Yeah, thank you for the kind words there. I mean, that covers a good chunk of it. I kind of like jumped into the world of the weird with something called California Creepy Pasta, which I started. It started just sort of as an Instagram

and then it became a website. and just kind of grew from there where it was this idea of just kind of getting out on the road out here in California where I'm from. And just sort of exploring digital urban legends that kind of popped up on the internet. You know, the Crybaby Bridge type of stuff where it's like, hey, apparently people say that if you show up to this place, the certain thing happens. And I kind of thought it would be cool to just grab a camera, jump out there and see if there was anything to the stories and just kind of take people to the actual. places and give them sort of a boots on the ground style look at where some of the most like infamous legends in California started. And then the rest is history. I just sort of, you know,

I was able to get some cool opportunities from that. And now I'm, you know, a full 100% guy that looks into weird stuff. So it's been fun. That's awesome. Man, so that's already a little bit more that I didn't know about you, which is awesome. I love that. And you were, and you've been involved with some, uh, some of the clubhouse rooms, uh, way back and always enjoyable when you're in there. I was like listening to those. Um, but that's, that's really interesting about California, uh, creepy pasta, uh, that I, that's a part I didn't know that, you know, you're focused on the digital legends, the newer legends. What's the cutoff for? something to be considered a digital legend time-wise?

Well, I also, I also jumped into like classic legends to it. The idea sort of spun from those like digital urban legends that kind of started. That's sort of where the creepy pasta name came from. Sure. Creepy pasta is sort of a portmanteau. If you're familiar with the term where it's an amalgamation of two words, there used to be copy paste or copy pasta back in the day where basically there were these stories that would pop up on the internet without a source.

And they would just kind of get copy and paste it around and pass around. And that really kind of exploded in sort of the, you know, the horror community and kind of the paranormal community where they would just write these like stories and kind of passed them around and they became these digital urban legends. And I, you know, I kind of thought it would be cool to explore some of that out here in California. Okay. California creepy pasta kind of just rolled off the tongue.

but then, you know, I also had 100% love for the classic stuff, Patterson Gilman film, the Whaley House, Winchester Mystery House. We got a lot of the heavy movies out here. So I wanted to include everything that I could, and I just thought, like, I would probably, it would take a really long time to run out of content if I just kept, you know, going because California is huge. As I have put the miles on my car,

I've gone up and down the state, and there's a legend basically in every little crevice of every little town and it's a really cool place. I mean, it's not a place a lot of people associate with, you know, having the forefront of your mind with a spooky place. It's kind of like the place in cars and sunshine and Silicon Valley and all that kind of stuff.

But there's a lot out here. And it's been a passion project that has given me some really amazing opportunities that I really didn't think anything would come of it. I was shocked that really anybody even paid any attention to what I was doing, but it's been really, really fun. That is awesome that it all started with it just being a passion project on social media. And then it morphed into a website. And then somewhere along the way you got hooked up with Paranomality Magazine,

started writing for them, somewhere along the way you got yourself into the TV show looking for champ. That's a really cool, cool adventure. I would say good advice from that that I take is be careful kids, what you put on the internet because you never know what is watching or who is watching. I guess what is watching too in some cases. That is true, actually. I have learned that also. Oh, really? Oh, my goodness.

No, 100% accurate with that. You, yeah, you, you, you never know who's going to stumble across your stuff and, and for, for good or bad, right? Oh, yeah. It's out there for everybody to see. And very luckily on my part, it's, it's been 100% positive. So let's go over a few of the things that you have investigated. What have been some of your top, top things that you've investigated over the years with California creepypasta? We'll probably get definitely more in depth into this later.

But for sure, the number one thing I think that I kind of explored with California creepy pasta and what kind of blossomed. was the Fresno Nightcrawler story. Definitely. I feel, you know, and I say this, not to sound pretentious or, you know, in my own way of anything, but I feel like it's, it may be the singular story that I've done that was able to uncover more new information and more information that was previously out there. So it felt like real journalistic, you know,

investigating and I loved every single step of that. It was multi-layered and multiple parted where I initially just kind of found the house. I was able to get in contact with the family. I was able to explore the story a little bit more. But to me, that was, it was just kind of a dream come true

to really kind of have maybe one of the more infamous cryptids sort of be something that I was able to explore to a degree that hadn't really been done yet. Other things that I've really enjoyed with California Creepy Pasta have been some kind of like nuanced things like I got to kayak all of Lake Tahoe and look for Tahoe Tossey.

Oh, really? Yeah, the Lake Monster and that kind of led to me looking into Champ on TV later on. That's kind of where that initially stemmed from. Just kind of getting to check out some places that are normally kind of off limits to certain people at certain times. I was able to do some cool stuff at the Whaley House, the Winchester Mystery House, and just like some of those classic haunted house places. And yeah, California creepypasta has afforded me those opportunities, whereas, Because flashback 10 years ago, you know, I would have just been a random person asking for permission to do things and probably told no.

So I'm very interested in that little talk we had there because I personally want to know. So like, so those are, I know Winchester Mystery House is like a very kind of spooky place in California. But you're saying like you dropped, hey, I'm with California. and creepy pasta, like, how did that conversation go that you were able to get into places that, you know, normal Joe off the street wouldn't have been able to do? Like, how did that all go down? I'm sure. I mean, honestly, the best advice I could probably give to anybody that's trying to do anything

remotely like this is really just ask. I can't, you know, I can't really say there's a secret sauce or anything special. to it other than reaching out to whoever is in control of marketing or media with whatever place you're trying to get to and just shooting them an email and just saying, hey, this is me, link your stuff. I think at first you sort of have to maybe build some stuff to look at. Sure. Yeah, yeah.

That makes sense. And the best way to do that is just get out there and do it. Make stuff from scratch. That's really what I did. And then, you know, if you come off professional enough, I suppose, I can't claim that I feel 100% professional all the time. But, you know, I think you also have to sort of present, you're not doing anything to cause any damage to any property or you're not looking to, you know, do anything chaotic or insane.

you might be granted or afforded some opportunities to look into some stuff. I've also been turned down a whole bunch of times, different things. Sure. You know, you just kind of have to ask. And a lot of times, you know, you might be surprised what some of the answers you get back are. I'm sure you've also experienced this as well with getting interviews. I got to interview Lauren Coleman, you know, which is something that I'm like, oh, my God. I'm extremely happy for you that you were able to get that privilege.

That's one way I'm going to say that because how have I tried many times. But it's an amazing interview too. Yeah, that was in the magazine, right? It was. It was in the magazine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I had a little brain thing there for a second. But I was like, yeah, I read that.

It was good too. Like hats off to you, man. It's a good interview. Thank you. Thank you. It was, I think, yeah, I think Lauren, you know, he's somebody that, you know, takes his time very seriously as he should. So he's, the only way I was able to interview him was at 6.8, I'm out on the West Coast.

He's in Maine on the East. Right. I interviewed him at 6 a.m. in the morning. That's awesome. Yeah. I, and it was, it was very last second, literally like, he called me on the phone unexpectedly. Oh, wow. I woke up and looked at my phone and saw a main area code.

And luckily, even in my groginess and in my sleep state, I recognize, oh, my gosh, I think this is Lauren Coleman. You're like, oh, 207. Yeah, I chugged some water. to get that morning voice out and kind of coughed a couple of times and, you know, and picked the phone and had to do the interview like right there on the spot. It was, and I had to scramble for my notes. That's so good. Yeah, it was a dream come true. And he, you know, obviously the man's a wealth knowledge and a huge, huge dream come true for sure. It was, it was cool. And just getting to like,

you know, ask him questions was, was, uh, you know, at times I had to like refocus because you're just sort of like fanboying like, like oh. Yeah, exactly. No, I totally get that. I mean, I think those sometimes are the best interviews because it's like you almost, it's like you get slapped in the back of your head. You caught off guard and you're like, uh, and then it's like it, but it, that's the best stuff

sometimes is when you're like not in your zone, right? You just like, uh, hopefully you've done a little bit of prep beforehand. But like with the, uh, I do open phone lines for Bigfoot. And sometimes I get people calling. I'm like, I wish I could have prepared for you. But like, this is really cool that I'm talking to. You know, let's talk. So the haunted houses or the spooky houses, did anything cool come out of that?

Any interesting stuff? Or what did you find in there? I think the most interesting thing that I ever captured wasn't at one of the haunted houses. and I know this is on my Instagram for sure. I was at a place called Devil's Gate Dam. Ironically enough, I was talking to Lauren Coleman. It was about the whole devil names and weirdness associated with that phenomenon. And so I was at a place called Devil's Gate Dam in Pasadena, which was famous for a lot of weird stuff.

Jack Parsons did way back in the day. Oh, Rett Row. Yeah. And, you know, there's there's this giant like rock outcrop that looks like the, you know, the stereotypical head of the devil out there. And it's really bizarre. Really? Yeah. Like, wow.

There's pictures of it on my Instagram. It's creepy. It's definitely a creepy. Wow. That whole Arroyo sec, they call it the Arroyo Seco triangle. Okay. Whereas like the suicide bridge is out there. And then there's like the Cobb Estate, which is like this ruined grounds of this mansion.

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But I was exploring that cave or that dam, and there's kind of like a flood entry area where you can go into sort of the right underneath the devil's head. And I was in there. This is like at 3 a.m. in the morning. I was totally alone. I was trying to. Why?

You're a younger guy, though, right? I'm in my 30s. Oh man, hats off to you. Okay, go for it, dude. That's great,

man. That's awesome. Yeah, you know, sometimes you just got to kind of go with it. You just got to do it. Yeah, I love it.

And I was checking it out, and I caught a super audible laugh that's on there. It's super clear to hear. I didn't hear it with my own ears. You can see me in the video, like adjusting my camera. I could shoot you a DM of that if you want to like check that out too. It's a it's very audible.

It's very clear. Wow. And at the time, I wasn't aware of this. The legends associated with that particular part of the dam, the native, the indigenous people of the area would say that the coyote spirit was in there. And it was laugh constantly. It would hear laughing coming out of it. So that's exactly what I caught.

And then Parsons and all that connection with the trickster god and all that kind of stuff. It all kind of like culminated. It was very odd. And one other part to that story that's not really out there. I think I've told the story a couple times. But at one point when I was in the dam, I thought I saw for a split second. the only time I could ever really say anything like this happened to me. I thought I saw somebody in like a white robe kind of thing.

It was for a split second. No way. Almost felt like it was in my mind's eye. But I never said that. I never said that to a soul. I thought that I was like, I think I'm just kind of freaking myself out. So I have a friend who she claims to have some like psychic medium abilities.

I showed her the video just kind of, you know, being a little cheeky and fun. and she turned to me and she said, you know that there's a person standing behind you. And I said, really? And she says, yes, they're in a white robe. And they're, but they're sort of like half phasing in and out.

Like back to the future, dude. Yeah. And she claimed that, like, she could only, she could see like a diagonal portion of them. And I never told anybody. That's exactly what I saw. So I was like, oh.

So I don't think I was alone in that cave. So I think as far as evidence goes of me checking, making any of these little videos or taking pictures, I think that one definitely takes the date. Yeah. Nick, that is wild, man. That would, I don't know how I would handle that, man. It would take a few days of decompressing after that and being like, I don't know, man. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was it was quite a thing to do for sure.

But I'll have to shoot you the raw footage. Oh, dude, that would be awesome. Yeah, thank you. You know, just something that came to mind when I think of like digital legends. And I don't even know if this one is associated with California. So it might just be a shot in the dark. But have you ever looked into like the rake at all? Oh, man, Jeremiah.

Oh, no. Because I am right now. The rake is probably. Like the number one thing I'm focused on in my life right now. Really? Yeah. Dude, synchronicity hellier stuff. We just had to happen right there, man.

It's so funny. You even said that too because... No. I mean, that's my life basically right now. It's funny. The hellier stuff, I know they get a lot of, they get a lot of heat for all the synchronicity stuff,

but my goodness. And I mean that in all good jest, right? Yeah, they're great. When you really start looking into this stuff like that, you get the synchronicity. Totally do. Like evil for sure. Because with paranormality, we are working on a documentary feature. Like it's in the very early stages, but a huge portion of it is about the rake.

And there's so much stuff to the rake that I have learned and uncovered and, And yeah, it's a huge part of my life right now. So, yes. Dude, I think that's breaking. I think that's breaking news, dude. I think it is. I don't think we've talked about that. Right.

Yeah, publicly. But no, it's... No one listens to this. Don't worry. The project is kind of my baby, too. So I think I'm at Liberty to definitely, like, give some hints about it and talk about it. That's also, I've kind of dropped off on, like, Instagram and, and, uh, And just posting lately, I'm trying my best to get back to it.

But a huge portion of that is dealing with this project. Just getting something like this off the ground, the scale of what it's going to be is almost like a full-time job. So it's, wow, it's crazy that you brought that up. Yeah. I'm going to make a weird cut point segue just in case I have to cut that out. You let me know later. So, hey, yeah, we're talking about California legislation. in the rake.

And so I'm just, you know, you mentioned that earlier that you've, you know, you've been investigating that. Can you share anything that you found so far? Or are you kind of keeping it under wraps for the future? I can definitely share. So there's actually an existing article right now in Paranormality Magazine where I interviewed Lon Strickler, who he released a book. I want to say 2021 called the humanoid and it kind of deals with the idea of the rake and the

pale crawler and where that kind of that cross idea kind of comes from and and I you know it explores the ideas of agregors and tulpahs and memetic viruses kind of jumping in into the world in a living way. So what I kind of uncovered in the article is there's sort of a, I kind of make the argument that there's a rake triangle out in California that kind of starts from outside the Sacramento area and it kind of jumps into the Sierra Nevada Mountain Range and then down toward Fresno, Yosemite. And like kind of ironically, I know we love triangles, right? But it kind of does form the shape of a triangle if you look at it. And there's been a lot of reports of kind of big like classic rake looking creatures outside of

Sacramento in the Antelope area and there's a small town called Loomis where they've seen them. Lon actually has posted some stuff on his Phantom and Monster website regarding those stories and they're just these classic rake looking creatures. And then if you jump to the Sierra Nevada Mountain Range, you go a little bit northeast in California. there's the legend of this really creepy, uh, rake-like entity called Penelope. The,

the name doesn't really fit. Oh, no. But, uh, yeah, it's, it's near the like, Mono Lake area. Um, and it's, uh, there's a, it's a very creepy pasta backstory about like, uh,

a scorned, uh, woman who sort of has devolved into the, this creature. There's a million different versions of the legend, but they, Basically, yeah, it's this carnivorous rake-like entity now that kind of roams that area. And then you go down to Yosemite Fresno. You get kind of an offshoot version of the rake in the night crawlers outside of Yosemite and then in Fresno.

So, yeah, the rake is just, it's an interesting thing, right? You can trace it back, just like Slender Man. You can trace it back to having these crowsy. creepy pasta roots, but now people are reporting actual sightings and some of the stuff really kind of ties into the old legend of the ghoul. But there's definitely some more stuff that I've uncovered that is even weirder than that that will definitely be... Wow, I'm looking forward to that, man.

So the idea behind it is that the thought, so we may have to, there may be a few people that don't know what we're talking about, and they're imagining a guy holding a plastic rake and like, what's so scary about that? So let's start where it's like, how do you, what's your, uh, your summary description of, of what we're dealing with with, uh, when you say the rake. So the rake is basically, uh, if anyone has ever seen the movie, the dissent, I believe it was it's pretty much a carbon copy of what those creatures were in that movie. These very gangly, pale-looking, humanoid, almost vampiric-like entities, creatures.

They're sort of an offshoot of, they almost look like a version of Count Orlock or Nosephratu, right, from that old movie. What was that that monster on the X-Files that would like crawl in the sewers, I think? it was um it almost looks like that too i think of it is like a really really uh bad attitude gallum but like way worse right that's that's another excellent way to describe it very very similar in that way so basically and they're they're seen as often crawling on all floors um uh that's why they've sort of been given the name also as pale crawlers just very gaunt gangly crawling entities. They've been seen that there's an uptick definitely in sightings of these things.

And, you know, the argument is, is this something that's been here for a really long time and is, you know, just accidentally tied into this creepy pasta that was created? Or how much do you give stock in the idea that believing in something, enough people believing in something, can potentially manifest, you know, an entity. Or there's sort of the third idea of, you know, all paranormal stuff is sort of its own sort of consciousness and its own sort of idea, and it just presents itself in whatever mask

or whatever thing it thinks is going to scare you the most and presents itself in either these now real world fictional ideas. So there's a lot of places you can run with that idea, but there is something to these stories that are popping up more and more. It's weird, dude. It's so, so weird. And I think the weirdest part, just because I've been there, is that you keep bringing up the Yosemite area. And like, I've been to Yosemite back about seven, eight years ago. And I'll tell you, man, when you're driving out there, like, for one, you lose cell reception an hour outside the park at,

least. And then, like, there's some parts, like, you get some weird vibes in there, dude. And this was before I was in, like, Bigfoot stuff. I was just getting weird vibes in there. But, you know, man, oh, that's going to be such a good duck when it comes out. I'm excited for, for the future when you guys, you guys get into that. I mean, just by, you know, we can, we can talk about, you know, another thing that you've investigated is, you know, the, uh, the, uh, you know, the, uh, the Fresno Nightcrawlers, which like right now, man, for some reason, like, people love the Fresno night crawlers. Like, they just love it.

But it's not really that old accrupted, right? Yeah, 2007 is when. Yeah. So we're actually, as of our time recording this, we're about a week away from the 15-year anniversary of the video being recorded. I believe it was November 5th, 2007. So, yeah, it's only 15 years. I couldn't even get a drink right now if it wanted to.

That's so, that's so wild. And it's like a lot of people, you know, think of it as like, oh, it's such a fun encrypted. It's like, you know, something walking around with big white pants on. But the crazy thing is, is like, you know, the articles you've written for paranormal personality, like you really, really dug deep into this story and found out some cool stuff. Do you mind sharing about, like, you know, it's something where, you know, you were like, I'm just going to start looking into the night crawlers or like, how did that come up, come about for you to get into it?

For sure. Yeah, it is, it's probably right now, like my pride and joy of stories. Yeah, just, it. it kind of came to me where, you know, originally in the idea of California creepypasta, I was trying to get to all these locations and I was trying to find like, this is where this happened or this is where this happened.

And so obviously, being out in California, that's a very notable California story. I just looked into, okay, where did this take place? And I couldn't find the information anywhere. It wasn't really available online. So it was sort of a mystery. So that's kind of where it started for me, was finding the actual location of the house. Once I did that, I had kind of posted that and was like, cool.

But it kept nagging at me over time where I wanted to really kind of speak to the family. I was like, well, I know where the house is. Can I make a connection with the family? Can I ask some questions that maybe haven't been answered? And I wanted to just really kind of do this deep dive investigation into everybody that was involved at the time with the story. It always happens right before the whistle. There's a little voice that says,

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So a little bit of background, a little bit of context on the story. It happened on November 5th, I believe, 2007. the man who recorded the footage, his name was Jose. There were break-ins and they were stealing bikes, I believe, in the neighborhood. So he set up a CCTV camera in the front part of his house. And, you know, I'm just trying to kind of make sure nobody's stealing his bike or, you know, going on his property. The way he told the story was that they started to hear the dogs barking in the neighborhood, like going insane. And he looked at his monitor and saw what we all now know in love both the Fresno night crawlers.

You know, these two little pant looking cryptids that walk across his lawn. And, you know, the rest of history, the footage got to Univision and aired on TV. And then Univision got in contact with a Mufon investigator named Victor Camacho. and they brought him out to initially examine the footage. He actually didn't initially get to go to the house, but then he eventually did make some, he was invited over by the family, and he did his investigation,

and it kind of just wrapped up from there. And shortly after, a few years later, I should say, word had kind of gotten out that Jose, the man who had recorded the footage, had passed away. And that is kind of where the story died. That's kind of where, you know, it was just left. And the night callers were left to kind of live in infamy.

And, you know, now they're all over Etsy. And, you know, everybody's... Oh, they are. And everybody's drawing them. And they're kind of the cute cryptid, right? Yeah. You know, every time I think I bring up the night crawlers, even to people who aren't necessarily interested in,

the scarier aspects of this whole world. They love the night crawlers. They think they're really adorable thing. So the thing that kept sticking out to me that I could never really 100% shake is whenever I saw any sort of footage or got any sort of ability to kind of see where Jose's mindset was at the time, he was deathly afraid of these things and to me that kind of didn't really make sense it was like the rest of the world has this very very

loving and you know like they think these things are the cutest thing ever they have this very like loving reaction to these things and the guy that experienced them was very adamant that he was terrified of what was going on so that to me just kept ringing some alarm bells like there's something else going on here that I don't know has ever been kind of pressed

upon so I was able to finally get in contact with the family I was able to go to the the night crawler house and and interview the family and talk to them about everything that went on I was able to interview Victor Camacho who was the initial investigator there and I was able to kind of get a bunch of information that wasn't really out there and I love it. I change the story completely around as far as I'm concerned. So I'll kind of start with, you know, they, after the nightcrawler incident had happened, they essentially started to see what the family described as ghost children, just kind of popping in and out of their house.

They would see them, you know, walking across their kitchen. Like the mother of the family saw a baby crawl across their kitchen floor. Jose and his brother both witnessed a child just sort of manifest in their closet. But the one glaring detail that they described to me about all these kids that they were seeing, which instantly sort of caught my attention was that every time they saw these kids, they had solid black eyes. Oh, man.

You're going there, Nick. Come on. Come on. Come on, Nick, don't put that on my pocket. I'm just kidding. If anybody's familiar with the black-eyed kids' lore and legend black-eyed children, David Bollary has written extensively about them.

Yeah. These are these kids that show up at your problem. property and they demand to, you know, some sort of, to be let in. They're, they're asking for some sort of permission or entry to be allowed into your, your house or what have you. And, you know, they're kind of looked at as these paranormal parasites that feed off of fear. They create these, you know, they're kids, but everybody that encounters them claims that they had this insane immense amount of fear and they were terrified. And so now I'm being. told this by the family and I'm starting to understand and then you know what the context of

Jose the original man who took the footage his sense of dread and fear the story was starting to kind of change for me a little bit uh to where now this made a little bit more sense and essentially they informed me at one point that they told the kids like you can stay here You can, you can. Oh, no. Yeah, you can, you know, stay at our house. It's fine. We give you permission to stay.

They had, they never told me that that was something the kids ever outwardly asked for, but they had this sense that they didn't want to mess with them. So they thought giving them permission and access was fine. So, you know, the story of the night crawlers kind of is a disguise for a lot. a black-eyed kid's story in a way. And, you know, this, this is somewhat of a controversial statement, I suppose, but Jose did pass away shortly thereafter. And it's sort of, you know, one of those things where it was questionable.

It's like, what, okay, well, what was going on here? You know, and the family informed me that basically after he had passed, their sightings of the kids happened less frequently. They would still see them, but you know, it was a lot less frequent. So it was like, did they get what they were looking for?

Victor Camacho, who, you know, initially examined the night crawler's footage, the initial footage claims that at a couple different frames, you can see when one of the night crawlers walks across the lawn, it looks up

and its eyes are solid. I believe there's a video on YouTube where somebody color grades out all the light or whatever. And it's very obvious that the night callers have two solid black eyes. So on the article, I somewhat make this argument that were the night crawlers just perhaps some kind of putty and, you know, like an early version of what eventually was seen. So it's a very curious story. It's quite interesting. One other really, really, really random but interesting thing that kind of spun off of that is, as we were talking kind of earlier about how you and how the phenomenon somewhat kind of winks at you or the synchronities.

Prior to the night crawler story, the story I had written for the magazine was on the devil's names and those places. And I went to a place called Devil's Den in Arkansas, which is a spot where a man wrote two books called Intonan at Devil's Den. His name is Terry Lovelace, and he talks about this abduction experience that he had at Devil's Den. And he told me this entire story about, as he was a child, he would see these like monkey men come into his room and prior to like any sort of abduction

experiences and one thing he informed me was a really odd detail about the monkey men were that they look like a little circus monkeys but it looked like they were wearing paper plates with cut out eyes over their faces what super weird detail right so i i take note of that and that's that's in the the article fast forward to the you know a month later or whatever when i'm doing the fresno night callers article uh rohelio who is the brother of jose who's who's roelio is still alive at the house informed me that when he saw the black eyed kid in jose's closet he said it looked like he was wearing a paper plate over his face and he could just see the black eyes and it was such a bizarre to have those something so random like that come up twice uh felt

like the phenomenon in a way or whatever was winking at me like i you know i mean big time yeah um oh man so strange so after that i um i really got into kind of the whole like faceless beings and and looking into that kind of stuff and and trying to find anything and everything I could. And surprisingly, I was able to find a couple of different stories out there of beings that appear to almost have faceless features. I asked around a lot. I didn't get a lot of feedback on that.

The only person who really sent me some interesting stuff, and she's amazing. Her name's Zilia Edgar. Oh, totally. Yeah, from Midwest. Yeah, she comes out to the, well, she was two years ago.

She's at the Viameter Visitor Festival. Yeah. Yeah, she definitely, yeah. She pointed me in some direction. And it was awesome just that it was like, okay, somebody knows about this or. Wow.

It encountered such a niche weird, um, uh, detail in all these things. But it was, uh, so creepy. It paints a picture of maybe something weirder, larger going on here.

But that nightcrawler story definitely had a lot more twist and turns than I was initially expecting. I even point out in the article, which is a little extreme. I think I've gotten some interesting comments on it. But I even make the argument that the night crawlers just in general are somewhat of a triangular shape. So one detail about the video is prior to seeing the night crawlers, you can arguably say there's a flash of light. And then the night crawlers sort of just walk across the lawn. I asked the family, did they have a floodlight at the time? They couldn't recall.

But there does seem to be like a flash of light and then the night callers pop out. So one thing that I sort of point out in the article is in like goation summoning rituals. the triangle is very important. Some people argue that with like triangle UFOs and summoning creatures and summoning things. So I don't know. There might have been something really dark or really weird going on with the night crawler story. And it's not as cute anymore in that way. I think we're way past the point where those guys are not cute anymore.

If there's like, you know, black eye kids. involved like how cute can the night crawlers be like sure and I'm definitely not one of those people that tries to paint everything in the paranormal being evil or scary but I mean all the signs are facts too yeah yeah all the signs in the story kind of seem to point to something or at least um you know looking to take something from somebody

And that's kind of where the story is for me. It's definitely an interesting case. I think way more interesting than maybe just a couple of funny looking pant creatures walking across the lawn. Yeah, yeah, totally. Or like, I feel terrible because I don't know the artist's name, but like there's these stickers on Etsy where it's like, have you seen the cat cryptids? where it's like this white cat that's like supposed to be the Fresno night crawlers just wearing these high water white pants.

Oh, I think I have seen. It's so funny. How does Yosemite start to, how does Yosemite play into the night crawlers? Because I know it's connected somehow, right? It is. So shortly after the night crawlers video, I want to say it was two or three years later. another video kind of surfaced online that was supposedly right outside of Yosemite National Park

and it was these much longer version of a nightcrawler they had this really funny gate in stride but it's kind of the only other video at the time that was out there that looked similar Yosemite's not terribly far from Fresno they're kind of within a reasonable distance of each other So it also became part of the, you know, the lore in that area that, okay, there's something going on here.

You had mentioned earlier about going to Yosemite and, you know, filling some funny vibes. Totally. Everybody has their different opinions on kind of the missing 411 stuff. Oh, sure. Yeah. That is the biggest cluster area that the politis has out there is Yosemite National. Oh, is it really? It is.

Okay. And we were talking about the rake and the nightcrawlers kind of almost being this offshooted the rape. The mewock people of the area, I believe they had a legend around Bridal Veil Falls, which is this really famous waterfall out there that kind of had these like ghoulish, rake-like creatures that were around that area. oh, there's sort of a precedent there for kind of these weird humanoid being creatures that somewhat stalked the area. And the lore is that they were carnivorous and were dangerous. So there's potentially something just weird in that area. Or there's some kind of lore or legend that maybe manifests from time to time or just something ongoing. on for sure. I mean, Yosemite is a whole other can of worms, but these humanoid creatures.

So I'm curious that the legend you mentioned about the Bridal Veil Falls. So is that something that you've actually seen in print, or is that also like, you know, something that you're able to track down on the internet? Or like, what's a source for that? Just curious. A couple of different sources. The one that sticks out to me the most is, I believe the book's called Vailed Destinies by Walter Bosley, where I believe it's chapter, I sound like a nerd, but I believe it's chapter eight. Hey, it's awesome. You know it. He opens up the chapter with an examination of Yosemite, some of the lore and legends and how that ties into the missing 401 stuff. And I believe that's like the main source where he points out.

And this is a, this guy is a former FBI agent. Oh, wow. Yeah. So he's not just kind of write books and doesn't really have a, you know, a pedigree background. This is the guy that knows his stuff. Gotcha. Is it newer book or? I believe it is.

I believe it's probably a year old. Okay. Interesting. I'll check it out. I probably have a somewhere line around my room here. but yeah it's a secret missions, veiled destinies or something like that. But if you Google Walter Bosley books, I'm sure it'll come up. He's done a lot of interesting research into kind of occult mysteries in California.

So he's a interesting. The thing I love about what you're doing and just kind of had this thought in my head a few minutes ago is that, you know, know, we live in a time where on YouTube there's Joe whoever's faces and he's got this channel where he's like, I'm going to read you some mysteries, kids, and oh, they're going to be creepy, and I hope you don't get scared. Cheching. And then it's like, but you are actually taking the time to do the research and not just be like, I'm going to throw up and I'm sure people get ripped at, you know, me saying stuff like that.

But it's like, come on, like, let's actually take the time to do the investigation about these stories and we're not just like putting up videos for views and stuff. So hats off. It's very cool what you're doing. I appreciate it, man. Yeah, I always do really try to find the sources or, you know, find evidence that kind of matches together for any of this stuff. I mean, it's a crazy topic for sure. you know, it's really hard to nail this stuff down. I mean, if it was, then we, you know, would, you know, you'd probably be interviewing Bigfoot at some point.

Oh, heck yes. Yeah. He's on the list, dude. So it's tough. But I, when, whenever possible, I always try to like have those sources down. And I always do my best to try to remember, as I said, you know, chapter eight, you know. Right, right. exactly uh which a lot of people can't do um what was it like uh what was it like getting to go out

to to new england to look for for champ how was that that was you know kind of out of the california area so definitely i had never been to vermont that was my first time uh out there um it was a dream come true that was it always happens right before the whistle there's a little voice that says What if I mess up? What if I'm not ready? I see a whole highlight reel of everything I don't want to happen. Missed shots, turnovers, letting my team down. And for a second, there's doubt.

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It was a dream come true. And it felt like we were doing something really fun, really special. So that was a dream. like I said, dream come true. I grew up on paranormal TV or, you know,

these documentaries. I mean, as a kid, I was, I watched, I think every episode of sightings, if you recall that. Oh, nice.

Yeah, dude. I think you can find those on YouTube, maybe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I used to, I used to always, as a kid,

this is, hand to God, this is a true story. As a kid, I would ask adults, hey, so in the background, of sightings there was like the main host and he would kind of be speaking about whatever mystery

was going on but there would always be people in the background like typing on a computer and it was like they were doing some sort of investigative research and I used to ask adults like how do you get that job? Oh that's so cool. Yeah. And you know obviously never got a real answer. So I think that getting the opportunity to do something on on TV was kind of like a, a, a, a, you know, a life fulfillment dream of a young me. I think so. Wanting to do that. So yeah, awesome stuff.

So what are your thoughts? Do you think there is actually a champ out there? You know, after having gone out and investigated, what do you think is something's going on out there? Oh, I 100% believe their champ is out there. What champ is is up to a lot of interesting. interpretation, there's some, I definitely came across some weirder stories in regards to Champ. You know, one of the funny things that Sandra Mansy, who took kind of the most famous photo,

pointed out was that Champ moved robotically and that when it opened its mouth, like, an obscene amount of water came gushing out. And before it, like, went back underwater. water. I've never heard anybody really talk about that, that description. It's so strange and bizarre. And on Lake Champlain at that time, if you rewind the calendar back about 13 months, on the southernmost point of Lake Champlain, there was the A Bear Road incident. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They've seen Bigfoot with glowing red eyes. Right, exactly, yeah.

That was only 13 months before the Mancy photo was taken. That's wild. Yeah, and then there's a couple of like nuclear installations along Lake Champlain that had UFO reports. Okay. I'm over them within that 13 months. So there was something weird going on at Lake Champlain, I think. Dude, I love it. In that 13-month span.

I interview a couple of different eyewitnesses. on the show on Mysteries Decoded. And this didn't really make it to air, but most of the eyewitnesses that I talked to that had seen Champ multiple times were also having somewhat emotional things going on in their lives like,

that's happening. Oh. Yeah, so just weird stuff. There is a weird book that I read called Lake Monster Traditions that kind of ties the idea of Lake Monsters sort of being these fairies between the living world and the dead. Yeah. So there's some weird stuff that, you know, I think was a little much for maybe network TV that really wanted to kind of take them.

This will be for the mysteries to code Patreon, no doubt. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah. where it was like, oh, okay, let's not ask two crazy questions here, you know. That's awesome that you got that, though. I try, like I, I, I, you found that in the book, I guess I should say, you know. For sure. I 100% wanted to treat champ, flesh and blood, critical biological.

Let's, let's figure out a way to see if there could actually be a creature here in the lake. But I never wanted to completely close the door on potentially the supernaturally stuff going on to. So after all the stuff that I encountered and all the people I spoke to, there's a story that didn't make it onto the show either that involved like electric fog. Yeah. Christine, she was the 93-year-old woman, I believe I interviewed on the show. She lived on Lake Champlain her entire life. Saw a champ, like a mama champ and a baby champ come out of Lake Champlain. but kind of come out of this like electric looking fog that like permeated into her room.

And she said she could feel like tingles on her skin. So just like if you keep hearing these weird stories, it was sort of like, I think something strange is happening when it comes to Lake Champlain and Champ. The E-DNA evidence at the end of the show, spoiler alert, doesn't necessarily add up to Champ being in the lake, but also the biologist that I spoke to and the people that did the testing of the EDNA said that in order to completely rule out champ being in the lake, we would have had to

have taken samples from all different parts of the lake. It was just the specific part we took samples from within a general radius of that area. There was no evidence of anything odd or unusual in the lake that they couldn't account for. but that doesn't necessarily deem the whole lake uh uh void of champ and there's a lot of compelling evidence obviously hundreds of years of stories and witness sightings and i think the champ mystery is still very alive and well um but as far as i'm concerned yes there there is something odd going on in that lake and i think it takes the form of a lake monster oh that's awesome yeah that's Awesome. I got to ask you, being in California, and I think my audience would be, you know, they'd be like, why aren't you asking them this? Have you ever gotten into any Bigfoot stuff?

So, boy, I had the opportunity to go to the Patterson Gimlin site with Pettercoff. Oh, really? Wow. Yeah. Hey, yeah, and I watched and those guys, and I couldn't make it out. I started driving up and I got a flat tire, like halfway up there. Yeah, and it's just like the timing then got off. And I put it. So that's literally one of like still one of my biggest regrets because we were going to get to camp out. I think they made a documentary for small town monsters about the.

Oh, yeah, it's fantastic. Yeah, Bigfoot at Bluff Creek. It's probably the one you're referring to. It's one of my favorites of that series. Yeah. I was going to get to go out there with those guys. And I guess be a part of it, but I couldn't make it. I did meet up with them.

There's a Bigfoot Museum in Santa Cruz, like Felton. And I met up with them there. We kind of chatted. It was like Fourth of July morning. It was really. Oh, weird. Yeah. That's, I think that's Mike Ruggs, old school Bigfoot Museum.

Right. Yeah. So I've been to that place. He, uh, a bunch of times. He told me a really interesting Bigfoot story where, um, uh, uh, they had found like, uh, it's a small town outside of, uh, kind of where I live, um, in the San Jose area. I believe it's like near Hollister, California. Uh, since she told me a story where they found, uh, a cow, with its head completely ripped off. What? Yeah. And not a clean, like, is like, like, Rick.

I asked that question. Yeah. It's like a clean cut and he didn't have the answer for me. Okay. But apparently there were some tracks, like, spotted with it. And after that, they had what he claimed was kind of like a men in black. Men in black showed up and started asking questions. So it's kind of like...

Is this from Pedikoff? No, no, this was the guy that runs the museum. Okay. I'm like, if this is Petikoff, I've never heard this. I'm going to double check before there is because this story rocks. This wasn't for Pedicov. Okay, this is the owner of the shop. Okay.

Yeah, yeah. So he told me that story. So that, that's probably the weirdest bigfoot story I've heard out in California. Even though there's some really weird ones, I think I have an Instagram post about a Bigfoot siding and then a guy claiming he was like, possessed later on. This is outside of LA. I have a Bigfoot story where it's like a book.

It's like a book from the 70s just called Bigfoot, I believe. Nice. There's a story in there where there's a Bigfoot siding and it kind of culminates in a black eyed kid encounter that shows up. I'm always on the lookout for the black eyed kids. They keep popping up in my life randomly. So I don't know what that means. But so I'm definitely

I've uncovered some cool Bigfoot stories but I've yet to do like a proper squashing at which I'm dying to do I'm definitely you got to I feel like it's coming someday it'll it'll come It'll come I mean I had the like golden opportunity to do it with it close But everything happens for a reason Yeah yeah everything happens for a reason

That one still stings looking bad Because that's a dream to get to that spot is just, my God, the PGF, I think is the best empirical evidence of any of this stuff that exists. I think. Oh, it's hard to beat the Patterson Gimlin film. No doubt. Yeah, that's, I feel the same way. Wow, this is, I love these episodes where you need to talk to someone. It's like throwing all this crazy stuff in here is such a good, like, Thanksgiving dinner of cryptid and weirdness.

and like just like John Keelness is so so cool like I I appreciate you coming on Nick this has been a super super fun chat before you know before we go I want to give you the chance to uh you know any closing thoughts uh that you have definitely feel free uh and also you know how people can keep up to date with what you've got going on and anything that you would want to plug sure well first off, thank you so much, Jeremiah, for having me. This has been a blast. Whenever I get to chat about this stuff, it's always just the highlight of the day. Everybody can find me at California Creepasta on Instagram. That's probably the best place to interact with me or to see what I'm doing most up to date. There's also California creepypasta.com. I do have a Twitter, which is very rarely used, but I'm out there too. definitely Instagram is the best place. Also Paranormality magazine. I write an article once a month. There's always something interesting kind of coming out there. And Mysteries Decoded, the Lake Champlain Monster episode is available on the CW website, CW app. So definitely please go check

that out. That would be awesome. And there's just a lot more to come. As we mentioned, there's a really interesting paranormality documentary project that we are in the very, very, very baby steps of building, but it is going to be something really, really cool and is going to tie into some of the stuff we talked about tonight. And I'm really excited. I'm pumped, dude. Oh, man, that's going to be so good. Nick, thank you so much for coming on. This has been a super fun chat. Awesome. Thanks, Jeremiah. Have a good one, man. You got it. Thank you for listening to Bigfoot Society. If you like the show, please review and rate it five stars on iTunes.

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