Bigfoot Society - Good Communication | New Mexico

Episode Date: June 11, 2025

Join the Bigfoot Society as host Jeremiah Byron interviews Jenny and Norman, documentary filmmakers from New Mexico. Jenny, also a news photographer for the Gallup Sun, shares her and her husband's experiences with Bigfoot on their off-grid property in Ramah, New Mexico. They recount various encounters including a violent house shaking, finding large footprints, mysterious trail cam photos, and communication through gifts left by the elusive creature. Norman delves into the Navajo perspective on Bigfoot, highlighting their spiritual significance and role as master herbalists. The episode also discusses the broader implications of these encounters and calls for increased awareness and respect for these beings. This episode is packed with insights on the sacred landscapes of New Mexico and draws connections between environmental changes and Bigfoot sightings.Resources:Poison Wind documentary: https://www.cultureunplugged.com/documentary/watch-online/play/11835/poison-wind Sasquatch Summerfest this year, is July 11th through the 12th, 2025. It's going to be fantastic. Listeners, if you're going to go, you can get a two day ticket for the cost of one. If you use the code "BFS" like Bigfoot society and it'll get you some off your cost.Priscilla was a nice enough to provide that for my listeners. So there you go. I look forward to seeing you there. So make sure you head over to www. sasquatchsummerfest. com and pick up your tickets today.If you've had similar encounters or experiences, please reach out to [e-mail]. Your story could be the next one we feature!🔴 Subscribe to our Youtube channel and leave a comment here: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Want to call in and leave a voicemail of your encounters for the podcast - Check this out here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsociety(Use multiple voice mails if needed!)Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: [e-mail]

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slash the Bigfoot Society. And now let's get on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Jenny and Norman, documentary filmmakers out of the great state of New Mexico. How's it going, guys? Really well, Jeremiah. Thank you. It's awesome. It's a great day. It is a beautiful day out. And, you know, it's great to have both a yawn today. Jenny is also a news photographer for the Gallup's son down there. so I want to point that.

And they might point out some other things as well. But Jenny and Norman have been having some interesting things happen over the years. And they reached out to be able to share what they've experienced. So guys, welcome to the show. Feel free to, if there's anything else, you would like to share about yourselves. And if not, I'll let you get right into it. Okay. Well, you're right.

We live in the great state of New Mexico. It's beautiful. I live near Rima, New Mexico, which is, a Mormon pioneer town that was found in the 1800s. And I also live about six miles away from Pine Hill, New Mexico, which is part of the Rima, Navajo Res, and live pretty much off the grid. And I think we bought the house and the land about 10 years ago, excuse me, 16 years ago. And the first time we spend any time there, my husband and I, it was on New Year's. It was on New Year's, Eve and we were snowed in. I mean, it was a blizzard. And my husband had gone to bed early,

and I was watching TV out in the living room, and all of a sudden, something violently shook the house. I mean, shook it. It wasn't an earthquake or anything like that. It only came from one end of the house. And, you know, what's interesting, Jeremiah, to me, is that it was like a switch went off. I mean, I knew it was him, and I wasn't a believer before that. I've always kind of had paranormal experiences throughout my life since I was a child, but I was not into Sasquatch, or as the big fella, as I call him. And I went outside for a minute on the porch and it was snowing like crazy, and I could hear deep crunches coming in in the snow, like huge footsteps.

And I just knew that's what it was. I mean, it's like something goes off in you and you just know it. So that was the first incident. And I would come up in the summers because we had a place in Arizona. It was just too hot in the summer when you get out of the heat. So that's how we ended up where we were, where I am now full time. And then there was a footprint. I found on, on.

my path. I made like a hiking path, you know, around the 10 acres. So, you know, I could see if there were any snakes in front of me. I'm Irish and I'm not happy about snakes. So anyway, I found the print and it was about 16 inches from heel to toe. And I preserved it. And I wasn't scared or anything like that, but I just knew something was going on, obviously. And previously before that, when we the first summer I was up there, I wanted to get pictures on a trail cam of elk because there are a lot of elk around. And so I put it in this place that I call the magic forest, which is right next to the house. And it has a lot of Rocky Mountain junipers and pinyon trees, which are sacred. You know, you shouldn't do anything to them unless you have a medicine man or somebody to be there if they need to be cut for any reason.

So I put the trail cam in the middle of the magic forest, and there were three pictures the next morning. And the thing was, the trail cam had been moved three times, but was in the same spot I had left it when I got up in the morning and got it. And there were literally hundreds of orbs. I mean, just tons of orbs. And I know the land where I am used to be on a saucy. And so, you know, there are people that lived there, lived right, you know, on my land and had children, died there and, you know, and went to the other side. So I knew there was something really magical going on there. And then there were other incidents.

There were a couple of rock-throwing incidents. And I was out walking because I'd spend a lot of time outside. I still do because, you know, 75 degrees compared to 115 down in Arizona. So anyway, I had some things happen. Knox, rocks thrown, and what I call freezing. When I'd be out walking and all of a sudden, I'd freeze. I couldn't move. I couldn't move.

And I remember telling BFRO about that. And I think they told me, somebody told me that lions and tigers and things put off a pheromone, like something that they can kind of. freeze their prey. That is probably referring to a thing called infrasound. A lot of bigger predators will use that. And it's thought that Bigfoot can do that as well to freeze their prey or to get something to stop moving. I've experienced that as well. So go right ahead. That happened three times. And the third time was when I decided I had to call BFRO. It was like somebody took a rock concert, speakers, and put them outside.

It blasted a howl, a scream. And I grew up in the woods up in the Outer Roundax. So, you know, I grew up with sounds, but this was something else. And I sat right up in bed around 5 a.m. and just froze. And I had five dogs then, and they froze too. We all froze. So I just wanted to find out what. I needed to do to respect him, to let him know that I wasn't there to hurt him or anything

like that. And so when they came out, they suggested leaving apples and things for him. So I've been doing that. And when I started doing that, the relationship changed a lot. It became, was good communication. And again, as I say, so I'll let Norman speak now too, because he's had experience. experiences since his childhood up in many farms Chinle area. And maybe you'd like to talk to that, Norman.

Well, thanks for your podcast and educating people. I think that's really important. It's really critical that you have a podcast that's focusing on a being. a person that has a heart, that has a mind, that, you know, can communicate. And it's not an animal. It's a person. And from a novel perspective, from the stories and knowledge I've gleaned from stories and listening to elders.

From a now perspective, it's really deep in terms of how we view this person or persons. And they are an entity. And from what we've experienced, as well as other native tribes across North America, indigenous tribes, is that they represent the spirit of nature. You might call them a child of Mother Earth. From what I've heard is that they're master herbless. I was told that they're sort of like a healer in that natural world. And there's things that we everyday people do not really understand.

But those that have those spiritual gifts have a process of understanding how they are, what they are, and who they are, because they've been around as long as we have indigenous tribes, and we have stories about them, and I'm not going to really go into specifics about those stories, because those are oral history. Some of those stories belong to families and communities. What I can just share is just the basic idea of who he is.

He has many names. I think what's really important is that I've been watching, listening to podcasts for past 10, maybe 12 years, 13 years. And I've noticed that the view, the various podcasts, reading stories or experiences have kind of been multiplied. What I mean by that is there's more visual examples and representations of, you know, his presence. And I believe, a lot of our indigenous people believe that it's going to continue even more. And I was told by a grandmother that they are messengers. And the more they're

viewed, the more they're seeing is they're trying to tell us something. In the in their own way. And how we interpret that is through our understanding, through our prayers, and through our ceremonies, in our songs, and our offerings. And from that process, there is a connection that we have. It's an innate process that we've been taught since we were young as native people. And one is being aware of your environment. And that understanding what the environment is, the elements, being in harmony and balance with these elements. And the more you educate yourself and the more you're in that learner process of learning the spirituality of our relationship to Mother Earth and the natural world, we become much clearer of understanding how we're all in this together.

And that's what it's really about. It's finding balance, not only with ourselves, but the natural world in Sasquatch or Bigfoot or whatever that name they have is a part of that. And we can't separate ourselves from them, vice versa. We're in all this together. And it's an example of the trying times we're going through. There's a lot of turmoil all over the world. There's natural disasters. People might call it climate change, but the weather, as we all see it today, is at its extreme.

As well as the idea of greed and all the negativity of society is really expanding and exploding into our daily lives where it's affecting our way of life. as indigenous people. But I might also add that all humans are born with that gift of understanding, that the innate spirituality that we all have. And I think if we look, I believe if we look at Sasquatch or Bigfoot from that perspective, I think we'll gain a much more grateful understanding of who that person is and what their role is. Norman, do you think some of that becomes unlocked as we have certain contact with things, or it is present from the very beginning?

Well, there's a couple of things. One is they know who we are. Just like us, my Navajo people, we have oral history that goes back centuries. And those stories never change. and we're told that when you have a story is given to you, it must not change. And that if you modify that story, it loses its power in terms of its message and its healing properties.

So I'm sure they have their own oral history. They have their own language. From what I understand, they have their own chants and songs. and how they deal with the supernatural elements that is present in the natural world, just like Grandma, just like Grandpa. You know, they know that connection. And I think that the value of understanding ourselves is really critical, because we went to this big foot gathering, Sunnassal, this past spring,

And some Navajo elders spoke, and they said, they already know who you are. They already know what kind of person you are. They already know what your intent is. And that's why they tell us to have reverence, to have respect for them. And that was really a great thing to hear because these elders have growth. growing up in the forest. You know, they've dealt with them in many aspects. And there's places on Navajo that a lot of elders won't speak of them. You know, they won't share that information. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. If data management is slowing down your

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These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease, in combination with resistant... And then some elders are willing to... share that. But getting back to your question, I think what's really critical is that in order for us to really honor them and respect who they are, we should do the same for ourselves. In a way, they're a reflection. They're trying to remind us, you know, the natural order of things, that we are just a part of all this, that we do not own the land. We do not own the reason. We do not own the resources. Neither do they. And it's really alarming because their area of land and where they

live for centuries is being encroached upon. And they really have nowhere to go. I mean, that's all they know is that area. Then they have to migrate. And then they beat other families, other tribes. And so there's this constant interaction that we are not aware of, this constant interaction with the natural elements that some of us can't even comprehend or understand. They're in a level that is beyond the common, quote-unquote, common person. So are you saying that sometimes they will maybe try to affect people to get them to perhaps stand up for environmental areas that are under attack that could be used by them? I think from my understanding, from like I said, the stories and research that I've done on my own and talking with other tribes is that they're not there to tell us what to do. it's like us telling them how to live their life.

So it's incumbent upon each of us to try and grasp that that sacredness of who they are because they do appear out of nowhere. They do fade into the landscape. Norma stories where they follow their tracks, and all of a sudden those tracks stop. So where do they go? So that's what I mean that there's another component

to this. And it's that unseen that people might call them realms or dimensions or, you know, it's another place on this earth

that gifted spiritual people understand and know. So that's where they're at on that level. Then on the human level, it seems like they're pretty gentle with us. I mean, they have a lot of patience. There's a lot we can learn from them. But I think what's really difficult is they've seen us progress as a people to where our inaction,

where our relationship with the natural world has impacted them through mining, through different, you know, how do I say? Like, how are you? How? How do you destroy their lands, their water system, their hunting lifestyle, their plant lifestyle, you know, how technology and greed for resources, you know, how has impacted their lives. And it's a really, to a lot of data people, it's a really critical, serious issue. Because what befalls them is, you know, the falls us or vice versa. So we can't separate ourselves from them. And that's just from the stories I've heard and from the understanding that I have as a novel person. So something you said brings up an interesting thought as well.

And this question could be for either of you for sure. So in my, let's see, in my realm of people talking about the way, weird things. There are certain areas of the U.S. where it's thought that they could be called window areas or there's more things that are coming through. Is that kind of what you're, are there certain areas then that they could be able to come through? You know what I don't know if you, you know what I'm trying to say. I do. I do. This is something I strongly believe after all these years. Sedona, places like Sedona, the Bradshaw Ranch,

the area where I live out by Pine Hill, you know, you can feel the sacredness, the spirituality from the land there. And I think that my area that I call the Magic Forest, well, just tell you, I've seen him twice. This is the first time I've mentioned the second time. out loud other than to my brother here.

The first time was about eight years ago. We had a lot of rain and it was beautiful. I mean, it looked like Ireland. It really did. And I came home one day around 3 o'clock in the afternoon and it was raining and it was just sprinkling. It was beautiful. And I looked straight up the land and there he was.

And he had his arms out and he was covered in white fur. and he had his arms out and he was looking up at the rain and he was loving it and I'm pretty sure he knew I was there and I knew he was there and then he laid down after about a minute or so in the grass

and then he just like a wave he just kind of disappeared into the forest the edge of the trees there I mean it was astounding and then recently a couple of I have a gifting area in the magic forest

where I leave his apple and oatmeal cookies and things. And I went out to check and see if the apple was gone, which I usually do is just part of my routine and I pray out there. And I looked up and I saw a young one. I saw a young one. 11 o'clock in the morning standing behind a tree. And then he was just, he peaked at me and then he was just gone in a flash. I mean, it was, so my experience,

experiences have been primarily very positive experiences. And one I feel grateful and blessed to have. And, you know, he does like little things. Like he somewhere got the side of a bark box that says bark and left it about 20 feet away from where my dogs are. I choose communicating. I know they bark. And, you know, in gifts, a stone, the math drawing, another drawing of an animal. arrow kind of, I think he's trying to point me in a certain direction, maybe to come visit.

I don't know. But when something happened, oh, the other day there was a piece of charcoal, you know, sitting in a little white piece of paper left in the middle of the magic forest where, you know, he's left me things before. So I always say thank you and I'm always very grateful. But I do believe that there are windows like portals. Yes. And I've heard stories of them out there, but I'm not quite sure where.

And, you know, I would respect leaving that area very sacred, you know. Yeah, the idea of your question is all of North America is a portal. That's how our relationship has been over the centuries of ancient dances, offering ceremonies. So there are all over North America. And they do evolve through some of those areas. It's hard to kind of explain, but real briefly, I'll share with you. When I was a little boy, I'm probably about nine years old, I'll be 65 in March. So this was in the early 60s.

And I had a dream of this being. It had long hair and he had eyes and I saw his mouth and it was almost like a nightmare. And he was looking right at me. She or he was looking at that being was looking at me. And in my dream I was looking at, we were looking at each other. And I didn't know what it was in my dream. And I woke up, you know, really. My heart was racing and it was like a nightmare.

And I didn't really tell anybody, but later on I told my mom what I dreamed about. And she just said, we'll just do a little prayer here for your dream because that's what we do. That negative activity of dreams, we destroy it unless it's good. But anyway, then a couple years later, they had that movie, what was that called, a story of Buggy Creek. Oh, yeah. And I saw that. And I said, that's what I dreamed about.

And that's when I realized that was something special. Then in my 10 years, I had another dream. My 20s, I had another dream. My 30s and 40s, those four decades, I had four dreams. and that's my connection and we were at the night before we're at one of my my sister's house and we me and my younger brother were drinking tea outside by fire we're smoking our Indian tobacco and just talking about things and you know we retired in the next morning I went out with my coffee to that fire and on top of the rock I was left a

gift and it was it was a rock and it was a rock and it was wasn't there the night before. And that gift that I still carry with me, and I showed it to traditional practitioners, I guess you might call the medicine people. And they told me that it was a gift and that, you know, at some point that I might someday probably meet one or speak with them or, you know, meet them. And I know where they live up in the mountains here. I just know because I know where to go. And it's not time for me to go up there.

But there is a connection, a deep spiritual connection that we've had with it for centuries. And you know what else is interesting, I think, too, Jeremiah, is when I first moved to, when we first bought the land out there by Pine Hill and Rayma, that when things first started happening, I'd go, you know, like to the store or the trading post and just make a joke say, hey, you know, you ever watch that Finding Bigfoot show? And people would just start opening up.

I mean, it was incredible. I'd say about 80% of the people I've met over these areas are small. Raymond's about 400 people, Pine Hill, I'm not sure. how many or maybe a thousand of the most. So they're not big areas. But I realized that the sightings were across the whole spectrum, too. It was Mormons. It was Navajo.

It was military that live out there, ex-military. One was a general, wasn't she? Or something we saw her when Dr. Meldrum came out. So the experiences or events, as I like to call them sometimes, really ran the gamut of just a, you know, there was really no just one group. And so I realized that, you know, this is, all these people are not hallucinating. You know, they're seeing something real. And, you know, so that's, and also when I started the Facebook group, I really wanted it to be for people who had PTSD. I call it Bigfoot PTSD, you know, who didn't have a good experience.

I mean, we're scared and traumatized. I know some very conservative Mormon women who are elders and man, they can hardly even just, they can't even really talk about it. It's so upsetting. So I know that different people have different stories, different truths, truths. And I think that I just wanted to provide a place where people would be protected and safe. They could learn more. They could speak if they wanted to.

And, you know, so my group and our group. group ends up being a little bit quieter because the people often don't want to mention him because of it's like calling him out, right? It's like if you mention him, it can make him appear, right? Isn't that true, Norman? Yeah, we're some tribes, yeah. Yeah. So I'm very respectful of that.

And I want to protect the group as much as I want to protect the land, you know. So, but it was really interesting to have so many people say, you know, what happened to me? And I don't know if it's because where I grew up in the Adirondacks, you know, it's always kind of an environmentalist, even as a young kid, like on, you know, stingray bicycles with my best friends. We were always trying to stop people from hurting trees out in the Adirondacks. and you know. And so I think I've always been environmentally attached to the earth. And I think that's grown over the years. And anyway, so that might be one reason why he's decided to communicate with me.

Now, Jenny, when you talk to these people that have also had sightings or encounters, are they describing what they have seen similar to, what you've experienced as well? No, some people, it's at night, and one lady almost ran into him in downtown Ramo, which is, there's not even a street light. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. If data management is slowing down your business,

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And, you know, so those are some of the things that I've heard. I talked to a Navajo man, he was an elder, and he told me that, you know, in their house, he would come stand by the window in their house and look at them, he and his brothers, in their bedroom. And, you know, so they always knew he was there. And but mine have been, I mean, nobody's really sure. shared anything around me that is like mine, where I've really worked on that communication factor.

And, you know, it's been a blessing, really has been. And he does hear us. I know that because I collect PEZ, and he left me a PEZ head as a gift. It's an old PEZ, too, of, oh, the bear from Chuck E Chies. I can't think of the name. He left it for me. And I knew that he could, you know, that I collect PES. I knew he knew that.

And, you know, so it's been very interesting. And, you know, I look forward to further communication with him. Now, the communication that you have, how does that usually take place? At night. At night. He will come at night and he'll leave something at night. and it's there in the morning and I just

it's like that switch again you know I mean I have no neighbors I'm in the middle of 10 acres and we it's very off the grid area and you know so I know somebody's not going they're going in it's happening in the magic forest

too where all those pinion trees are that's where a lot of this happens so there might be a portal or a window there because I have found sometimes only one print in there, and they're smaller. So I've thought maybe there's a nursery. Younger ones are coming through there, you know, smaller ones when they manifest. But it's, you know, it's really interesting. And I share everything with Norman right away. I call him and

tell him if anything new has occurred, you know. I wanted to talk to you for a minute about your freezing episodes. How long did those last for when it occurred? You know, that's a really good question. I think it only seemed like a couple of minutes, but the time with the howl outside the house, that I thought went on for about five minutes. and the ones I had when I was out hiking, walking my land, those things shorter.

But I wonder if I lost any time. I didn't really thought about that. I've experienced one of those in the woods in Oregon this last, it was in July, and it was about five minutes long. I couldn't move out of my chair. It was very, very strange. It's, you just feel, you feel powerless. You're completely aware of what's going on. But you can't even tell anyone, hey, I can't move.

It's like sleep paralysis, but you are, you're walking or, yeah, right, because I had sleep paralysis the first couple of years when I'd stay at the land in the summer. And, you know, and that's the exact feeling. It's like you're powerless and you can't move. Even though you want to, you can't. It's very interesting. Wow, five minutes. Yeah, that's kind of what I think the one in the house when the screen happened was about five minutes.

And for the dogs, too. I mean, we kind of all came out of it together. So the dogs couldn't move either. No, they were frozen. They sleep with me. So they were all right there. They all woke up. They heard it.

They didn't bark. They just all froze. You know, it's really interesting. Is that something that's commonly reported in your area, guys, where, you know, people will all of a sudden not be able to move? I don't know. I'd have to ask. From that gathering, I went to, no one spoke of that.

There was numerous people that shared from different parts of Navajo that came to this gathering at the base of the Lukachigai, Shuska Mountains. This was during the summer. And I don't, no one spoke of that. That's really interesting. I'm going to have to do, you know, do some research on that. One thing I'd like to share is, okay, when I were told, when you go into the mountains, or when you go to anywhere in nature, where there's the desert, the mountains, or

the canyons, that before you go upon your journey or your hike or whatever, is to do an offering of some sort. Whether it's a prayer or leaving something or it's an acknowledgement that the space that you're going into belongs to someone else, that you're only there to experience the greatness of that area. And people don't realize that it's like a ripple effect in that other realm or that dimension that many of us aren't aware of. So when you do that, it reverberates all across that area. And these plants and trees, they're alive. You know, the animals, the birds, there's a deep understanding there of each aspect. others roles and our role as indigenous people is to unite those elements through our prayers

and songs and to give offerings of thankfulness. And that's been our role since the beginning of time is that as indigenous people who are giving you these ceremonies to acknowledge nature, to acknowledge the elements, you know, and when you cease to do that, you know, the climate changes, the things change. So it seems to be that in our novel teachings from many of the elders, they say that the weather is reflection of us is that we're not doing our part in honoring those elements, those realms or those people call them dimensions. But, you know, there is that element there that is unseen that is real.

That's where the healing comes from, from that space. That's where the energy comes from, the sacredness of the elements of life in different forms. We connect with them through vibration of our songs and our chants, and it vibrates back. So there's this natural process that the majority of mankind has lost, and as we continue to lose it, that element of our connection to that divine space, then we have the situation that we have now, you know, the weather, political strife

and things happening all over the world, the wars, and the suffering and the hardships. And that's what our elders tell us. so that when you go into these spaces, camp eat or whatever, you do that. And whatever is there will acknowledge that. So it's like, if you look at all these Bigfoot movies, there's these extreme violence. Like these are just like really ruthless monsters that, you know, I've never seen a Bigfoot movies. movie where it shows the beauty of really what their role is on this earth and this natural world. You know, it's always from a negative Western perspective that what you don't understand

is a monster, you know, and it's reflected in the writing and, you know, the misconceptions of what this being is. And, you know, of course there is violence, you know, look at who. Look at who we are as, as, you know, look at humanity. Look at how we've lost ourselves, you know, and I would just encourage more of the positive aspects of what this being is instead of the, you know, the horrific horror stories and it might be true, you know, and some of these different podcasts I've listened, they're written. and how much are true,

how much of those that are read in these podcasts are true? And it kind of makes me think about that. But is somebody just being a great creative writer? Or is it real? Even today, you don't even have to be a creative writer. You can just have AI do it. I mean, that's why I talk to actual people, you know? Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome.

We had so many experiences out here. I think it was when did Dr. Melgram come? 2016, Norman was there. It was probably a couple hundred people. And came out to El Morrow, which is, I don't know, maybe got a population of 150, you know, but there had been so many sightings and events occurring that he came out. And, you know, that was really, that was really,

They were trying to make a movie too about it, a documentary, but that fell through. So people are willing to talk about it and share their experiences. I think my first experience was up in the Adirondack Mountains, actually, when I was about 20 years old. A group of us, I was going to community college up there, and a bunch of us were going hiking up in the Adirondacks. And we decided to spend the night. We brought our tent and there were like five of us and we were all in there, you know, getting ready to go to sleep. And we had put our tent up. There was no one else around.

No one else. And in the middle of the night, I don't know, whatever grabbed the tent and shook it, shook it. And it wasn't a bear because nothing was ripped and we didn't hear anything like that. And I think that was my first real experience. And I know at around that Bigfoot, John, there are a lot of things going on in upstate New York as far as sightings are concerned. I think what's really, would be really awesome is you've had these Senate hearings on the UFO phenomenon, right? The identified aerial phenomenon, you know, UAPs and UFOs and how the Senate came together and they had these whistleblowers. I think that would be an incredible idea is how could we formulate a movement to have Congress in itself look into this.

From what I understand, and a lot of the research that I've done, is that the military has taken captives. You know, there's trans that have been wiped out. And so what do they have? What do the museums have? You know, and that would be something to look into a mass movement to see what the government has and how they view this. And what are they doing? Are they torturing? You know, people are up in arms about perfume, you know, and how animals are utilized, you know.

So are they doing the same thing? Is it real? I believe so. And they have every right to be on this earth than anybody else that came upon this land. You know, so I think that would be something to look at. Is that a real process that, you know, Congress could look at? Well, it actually, this is pretty timely because just the, Two days ago, there was a task force launched on Capitol Hill, the task force on the declassification of federal secrets.

And they're mainly looking into JFK, RFK, all the UIP things. But now is the time when if people can call Representative Luna's office House Oversight Chair Committee, James Comer from Kentucky, and be like, hey, we need to put Bigfoot in there, too, guys. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. If data management is slowing down your business, you need the Intuit ERP. If one entity is here and one here, and one here, and one here, you need the Intuit ERP.

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Just release the documents. You know, if there's anything to release, now is the time. This is the time where we could get stuff out there, absolutely. And I think that the representation of how that's presented must come from indigenous people. Yeah, okay. Because it's inherent in our stories and in our traditions and our culture. And, you know, you can't ask, I mean, you can't do it without the indigenous people.

You know, they've got to be up forefront. And that would be all I ask of that initiative, if that, you know, if that's the direction everybody wants to go regarding Bigfoot with Congress. That's a very interesting point. Yeah. I'm glad you brought that up. It would make sense that that was definitely involved, that they were involved, yeah. Absolutely, yeah. I've learned so much from my brother from Norman when we made the movie, you know, especially.

I've always kind of done prayer, you know, kind of on my own. But I saw how important praying before you go out and do something on the land, you know, especially we were making a movie. So, you know, to honor the land, to honor the ancestors, to honor nature and say, we're here to help. We're not here to hurt. And I think that just grew, and that's one of the things I do every day out in the magic forest. I mean, I do Navajo prayer. I do prayer from just my heart, you know.

I say thank you to the universe, the creator. But that's something I do a couple of times every day at least because I'm thankful for the land. I'm thankful for it. I can feel it. You know, when we were making our movie, I was bringing one of the people in the film, Damon Watahomagee, who's have a supai back to the edge of the Grand Canyon so he could get back down into the village of Supai. We were coming back from a film festival. And I'd never experienced anything like this in my whole life. It's about an hour from Route 66 out to the edge of the canyon.

And we were driving and we got so quiet. No one was drinking. No one was doing anything. And I felt like I could hear all the trees. I could hear them. And I felt like my Jeep was going to take off, you know? And I said to Damon, I said, man, I can hear the trees. and he just turned around and smiled at me like,

I've been hearing the trees my whole life, you know, but I'm glad you're finally listening to them. You can finally hear them. So Norman says that they communicate the plants and the trees and our mother. I mean, I really believe that, you know, based on my own truth, my own experiences. And, you know, and taking an offering, I shared with that around that big with John, you know, when you go out and do an investigation, take apples with you. Leave apples, you know?

He'll respect that. He'll know, because you've got a good heart, he'll know that. And, you know. So you have a world, you have a Western worldview. You have a Western scientific worldview. You have a different worldview. of what indigenous societies have embraced in their culture. I guess what I'm saying is that over the years, I've heard this phrase woo-woo, right?

And the truth of it is this whole concept of life and this whole idea of the natural world is woo-woo. I mean, there's an element there. And when you have the Western thought, the Western concept of no connection or idea of what that energy is, then fear comes into it. Misconceptions come into this. Historically, if you look at Western society, it's always about dominance of resource, dominance of water, of land. In some words, you might call it greed. You know, and the idea is that when you come from that perspective, things that you don't understand, you fear, hence the movies, hence, you know,

different experiences regarding Bigfoot. So I think, I guess what I'm trying to say is that there's a way to communicate. and it doesn't have to be like a big ritual or a big ceremony or it's just a really simple understanding that I respect you I respect this land and I'm only here to heal myself to be a part of this I have a right to the slam you know and if it's presented that way you'll be okay but if you go in there with an attitude then of course, you know, there's going to be consequences. And that's why our elders say tread lightly, you know, because there's things out there in nature that we don't understand. Is that the equivalent of when people say, be careful what you wish for?

Oh, no, totally, yeah, totally. Yeah. What we're told is that our thoughts and our words manifest automatically, instantly, goes into the universe. That's why grandma always says, hey, son, be careful what you say, be careful of what you think, because it manifests itself instantly. So that's what balance is. And if you look at the natural world, they all have their own role. the trees have their roles, the plants, the butterflies, the bees, you know, the birds.

But humanity has, you know, we've failed in our role to be a part of this. So I think it's how you look at the world. How do you see it? Are you a part of it or are you disconnected from it or how do you connect with it? It's real simple. You just go out to where you're going and you acknowledge nature for what it is. Some people call it the, there's that word God, you know. It's like God is in every element of the natural world.

We are God or we are the Great Spirit or we are that holy light, each of us. So from a Western perspective, someone will probably never have. ever get it. But if you're raised in that consciousness, then everything becomes clear, everything becomes real. And that's been what's been happening, we believe, Native people all across the world is we've lost our connection to ourselves through our connection through the natural world. Because that's the real world, you know, that's how it was. And I'm not saying that technology can't be a part of it. Yeah. That world is technology. technology, you know, the lasers and, you know, all the technology where it has

manifests itself physically, we've connected that spiritually, energetic, energetically, energetic wise. So there is that element that I think people should be aware of. And it is real and it is healing. and it is miraculous and it is very, very powerful. No, it absolutely is. And like you'd mention the,

I wish, you know, that the community would just stop referring to the woo-woo stuff and just like go out there and like connect with stuff again. You man, I don't drink or smoke or any of that stuff. And I experienced some of the weirdest things I've ever experienced out in Oregon. We were out in the woods

and there was like, there's this young woman that goes out there. When she goes out to this area, they start communicating with her in fake bird noises. And like I watched them go back and forth. And it was incredible. I've never experienced anything else like it, guys.

Wow. I think we can do that. if we discipline ourselves and if we put ourselves in that state, we were born that way. And I guess over a lifetime, we've kind of forgotten about that space, that energetic, you know, the unseen energy that permeates itself all over the world in its natural form. Yeah, I believe that we can each do that. I want to make sure that we have time to go over the films that you have made and how people can check those out and the documentaries that you've been part of if that's possible. Oh, sure. I'll let Norman go first because he was the towel.

I'll talk about poison wind. I've been a filmmaker since 1989 and all my short films have been in the naval language back in the, the 90s, early 90s, both of my films were the first indigenous language films ever at the Sundance Film Festival. One was called Awakening and the other one was called Horse Song. And over the years I've dedicated my life to utilizing the camera, to create stories that reflect our history, that reflect the values of our people in terms of creative films that help our people understand, you know, the natural world and the importance of our culture. I've also worked with the Naval Nation developing a novel language drama festival. And I'm also an actor.

I'm really blessed to have a really great agent. So I've auditions and I've done some substantial roles, some supportive roles and some major films, which I'm proud of. But the thing I want to share is that once we share stories, it can teach and it can heal. And I think that's the value of storytellers. We need more storytellers. And we need these stories to present themselves how humanity is.

What humanity, we're at who we were before, who we are now and what we can become. I think that's really critical in terms of our stories. There's a lot of, I call them trash movies, you know, in Hollywood. But then there are some really good films. And I just encourage everyone, myself as a screenwriter and as a storyteller, is that we promote the goodness of humanity. That our elders call us, Bilashdai.

That means five-fingered beings. and it doesn't matter if we're from Africa, South America, Russia, China, Asia, you know, we're all five-finger people, and we all, you know, are living this experience. And I think once we understand each other's experience, I know it's like a cliche, but I think that's really important that as writers, directors, actors, poets, you know, stories, storytellers that we continue to reflect on the richness of who we are as humanity and how we're intertwined with each other and how we need to help each other, especially during these times right now. We do have the ability to make this world a better place. And I'll just share one last thing as we all got together as an indigenous activist all across now is what we came together. and we had a big old and ancient ceremony. There were some medicine people there.

And a lot of these medicine people, indigenous societies all over the world, you know, they have this direct link with the unknown or unseen, you know, and they divine information. Some might call them psychics. Some might call them truth seers. These medicine people doing our prayer, the elder says, I was just told that we're in a really horrific place in humanity. If data management is slowing down your business,

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the world is going crazy, you know, the tsunamis and the earthquakes and the fires and then the medicine man sits there for a while. He goes, well, this is what I'm told. It's too late. There's no ceremony. There's nothing that's going to stop where we're going. And where we're going now, what I'm told is that it's going to be a purification. and no matter what we do

there's nothing we can do to stop this turmoil on earth then he says but there's one thing that it's not up to the gods or to the holy people it's up to humanity is that what I was just told

was that in order for us to fix where we're at the sorry state of humanity, the wars and the pestilence, starvation, the raping of Mother Earth, the lands, the resources, the water,

the pollution. He said, what I was just told, he said, was that humanity must come together consciously. And that's the only way

that we can change this. And that's just a message to your viewers, to the world, is that we do have the ability, but can we do that? You know, can we unite the whole world and one consciousness to create this change that is needed? I used to have a daydream when we were making the movie because the Grand Canyon played such a significant role in the film.

And there's, I had no idea, even though I was living in Arizona for a long time, that uranium mining was going on in the Grand Canyon. And it was in the Colorado River and people not only in the village of Supai, but, you know, Colorado goes all the way to California. So, you know, crops, things get watered with it. And so anyway, I used to, you know, I used to. to have this daydream where people would come from all of the world and there'd be so many people that they could hold hands around the top of Grand Canyon in an in a act of to save it because so

many people come there and love it you know every time i've been to the Grand Canyon and there people from all over the world there and i thought wow wouldn't it be great if we could just get thousands of people all there camping out at the same time and all joined hands to protect her. So that was kind of, you know, it needs to be a show of humanity like that on that par, I think. But yeah, we made poison wind, which was about uranium mining on the indigenous lands at the southwest. I was down in the Grand Canyon with my husband for his birthday, and I felt like I was standing in the middle of a beautiful circle. I'd never felt that before. And I looked down at my feet, and when I looked up, there was a man from the tribe.

And he asked me, he said, what do you do? And I said, you mean for a living? He said, yes. I said, well, if I'm lucky, I work in film and TV. And he said, do you know, they're uranium mining here? And I just, we took the helicopter out, and I just started calling people. And people I knew, knew Norman, and it was just this domino effect, this chain reaction. And people wanted to give music for free.

We had a college, the University of Advancing Technology, gave us all the editing booths for free. And, you know, it just, so Poison Wind was financed by my husband. But at the same time, we never charged for it. And it's free on YouTube. And, you know, it just, and what's interesting, too, is I had been in a film, I had been at a film festival years before with Norman and some of the people who were later involved in my film and didn't meet them at the film festival. It was in Scottsdale. But all these people I kept meeting Tom Goldtooth. had, you know, all these people I'd actually been made aware of years ago.

And then all of a sudden I was meeting them. And it ended up being a wonderful journey. I mean, we're very grateful to have done that together. That's fantastic. I'm going to have definite links to that so people can check that out on YouTube. It sounds like just like a very educational film that people need to be aware. we were chased twice by helicopters and then remember when we were filming over in grants and those federal marshals we were doing a film manny pinel from acama pueblo and these federal marshals came out of nowhere

and jumped out of their trucks with badges and guns and wanted to know what the heck we were doing right at the base of mount taylor which is one of the four sacred mountains of Navajo Nation and right at the base of uranium mine there. And, you know, and it ended up, it got diffused. But for a minute there, it was a little scary. You put on your war bonnet. Wow. Oh, man.

Yeah, we got to check that out for sure. Thank you. Thank you. We went to over 20 film festivals around the world. We won two awards in Europe in Wales and in England for Poisonings. win. I also like to say thank you because I think it's really important that this being that we're talking about is really reflective of our times and what do I mean by that? Well, if you look at as humanity and how we've impacted the weather all over the world.

And I think you can't separate Sasquatch and Bigfoot from that issue. They're an example of how they've continued their process and their role in the natural world. As I've said earlier, you know, we're told that they're herbalists, their master herbalists. They help other animals. They help heal the land. You know, they're, I don't know how to say it, but trying to translate it from a naval language perspective into English, it's kind of like two different things. But I guess what I'm trying to say is that they represent the natural order of things. they represent the natural world and the natural laws

because of their essence of who they are. You know, like I said before, Western ideals, Western concepts of science, Western education removes ourselves from that natural element that we all possess in communicating with nature and the natural world. So to me, that would be my message is that, We've got to be more conscious.

We've got to be more active and preserving the lands and preserving the goodness of who we are and translating that goodness into good words and actions for each other. Because we're not in a good place. You know, there's a lot of hate and anger everywhere. And as I was saying, he's a messenger. He's telling us, look, you. You guys need to fix this because if you don't, you're going to be gone, but I'll still be here. The land will still be here.

You know, so that's what I'd like to share from all the stories, the knowledge I've gained regarding this being, this person. And you're right about the herbalist, because that's what the charcoal was. He was leaving me, so today I'm going to go get the thing. some charcoal, right? I've been having, you know, I'm doing really well, but, you know, once in a while I have stomach issues.

He knew that. That's why he left charcoal. I just realized that. Oh, wow. Yeah, I just realized that. Okay, so yep, off to wall. Yeah, there is

a connection there. There is a element there in unseen energy that people will ridicule people will laugh laugh about people that do not understand until they understand then they'll be able to communicate with this being absolutely jenny norman it has been just a privilege to have you both on the show today thank you for for coming on and for sharing what you've learned over the year and what you've experienced. It's greatly appreciated.

Thank you, Jeremiah. We really appreciate being on with you today. And anytime, and we're just really, I'm really thrilled that Norman was here today, so he could be here as well. Yeah, I'm really thankful your work. I know you're coming from a good place, and I know that you mean well.

and by doing this, you're educating, you're educating us and you're teaching us, and that's what we're all supposed to do with each other, help each other, and your podcast is representative of that. I checked out your different subject matter, so I did a little bit of research, and I thought, wow, this is cool. Yeah, yeah, I'd be honored to be on the Bigfoot Society podcast.

Fantastic. Well, we will keep in touch, guys, and thank you again to both of you. Thank you, Jeremiah. Okay. Thank you, Jeremiah. Thank you, guys. Bye.

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