Bigfoot Society - High Strangeness Sasquatch and Bigfoot beyond the Realms of our Imagination | Where the Footprints End | Joshua Cutchin

Episode Date: May 7, 2022

#127Joshua Cutchin is an accomplished writer, most known for co-writing the 2 volume set “Where the Footprints End". He is also a composer and tuba player based out of Atlanta, Georgia. He’s also been on Ancient Aliens, Coast to Coast AM and many others.Episode Resources:Website: https://www.joshuacutchin.comBooks: (Affiliate links)Where the Footprints End: High Strangeness and the Bigfoot Phenomenon, Volume I: Folklore - https://amzn.to/3we7zZaWhere the Footprints End: High Strangeness and the Bigfoot Phenomenon, Volume II: Evidence - https://amzn.to/3wdpu1T______________________________________________________________Join us over on Patreon! Get access to a whole library of extended shows, exclusive merch like a membership card and stickers, watch me interview guests weekly live on video, a Patron-only Discord and more.This week, Patreon members get to hear an extra 27 minute conversation with Joshua from the Bigfoot Society After Show! Irish fairy forts, North Carolina cryptids and more! Join up below!https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyTune in every Saturday at 5 pm Central for new episodes of Bigfoot Society!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7QIG: https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Website: https://bit.ly/3jvKIm7Donate: https://bit.ly/3C4hodMShop: https://etsy.me/3ptlubQiTunes: https://apple.co/3fmmhTCSpotify: https://spoti.fi/3vF1vIriHeart Radio: https://ihr.fm/3CarDgDStitcher:Smart Passive Income PodcastWeekly interviews, strategy, and advice for building your online business the smart way.Listen on: Apple Podcasts SpotifySupport the show

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Be sure to leave what your favorite part of the episode was in the comment. Welcome back to another episode of the Bigfoot Society podcast. This week I talked to a new friend Joshua Cutchin from where the footprints end. A very interesting and fun dialogue about a lot of topics to do with the field big footing that some people might say as being fringe topics, but it's very interesting to hear Josh's take on it and to learn something from this conversation as we all can learn something from all of the discussions we have on Bigfoot Society.

At least that's the goal. So sit back and relax. We're going to talk about orbs. We're going to talk about Bigfoot mimicking owls. Stuff tests blow in my mind and I'm sure it's going to blow yours. So enjoy this week's episode of the podcast. And Small Town Monsters, be careful up there in Alaska. There's only one of you guys.

All right. All right, thanks for coming back to the Bigfoot Society podcast. I've got the privilege of talking to Mr. Joshua Cutchin this week. How's it going, sir? It's going great, and you nailed the pronunciation. Oh, I did. Oh, I'm... Oh, yeah.

It only takes one time to mess up a pronunciation for you to like, oh, man, I'm glad I did. Ooh, yeah. So, Josh, I am psyched for this interview. A lot of people are excited for this. actually when I announced that you were coming on, they were like, oh, this is going to be good. So let's do a quick bio to kind of let the listeners know what's going on here. So Joshua Cutchin is an accomplished writer,

most known for being involved in the two volumes set where the footprints end, which is a, I would say, you know, required reading if you're in the big foot field. Like, it's good, man. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. He's also a composer and a tuba player based out of Atlanta, Georgia, which is really cool. You've got some great music. I listened to some earlier.

It's kind of like brass band, like very cool stuff. I was digging it. Yeah, he's also been on ancient aliens, coast to coast AM, all sorts of crazy stuff. So he gets around and he's got some cool stuff going on. But anything else that we want the listeners to know about you before we get going, Josh? I've got some cool stuff going on and some not so cool stuff going on because I'm a two player, right?

I mean, that's pretty much me in a nutshell. All right. Yeah, I really enjoy being able to retreat to music whenever I get fed up with Fortiana and vice versa, you know, especially like, you know, during the pandemic when live music just dropped out, I'm like, okay, well, I guess I'm focusing on my writing for a while.

And I think it's healthy to have those two different, you know, sides of two different things to do, you know? I think that's, you know, that is a really good point because, you know, I, you know, if you're in the Bigfoot the whole time, eventually you're going to be like, oh, I got to get something else. So like, you know, I'll watch like Star Wars or something and like, you know, kind of have a pallet cleanser for a little bit, you know. Yeah.

Yeah. You absolutely can burn out on the stuff. And I think like, I think there's something about this stuff that if you stare at it for too long, you kind of end up going a little bit nuts. Yeah, a little bit, a little bit. Yeah, and I mean that in the most loving way, but like, sometimes you've got to be like, whoa, man, like, you know, put the bottle down. So about the music, and this is kind of an off-the-wall question, but have you found your love for music, your love for the strange, love for Bigfoot, do those ever intersect in weird ways, or is it a thing where, like, they're totally separate? You know, it's interesting.

I often joke that it's kind of refreshing to like be with my author friends and they think that the tuba thing is weird and then to be with my musician friends and they think that the UFO and Bigfoot thing is weird. You know, in terms of the way that they intersect, I keep trying to get some of my peanut butter in that jelly

and it never quite comes through on the music side, you know? You know, I have a couple of tunes that I've written that have some like 14 titles. but but you know not not a whole lot um with with one exception i do have a piece that i wrote for tube ensemble um that is about uh the wild hunt uh which is you know the typically european folkloric idea of the spectral army that rides through this guy um nice that's that's that's published and i wrote that i think i actually wrote that before i was fully interested in these things. If you look back through my history, you'll see that this thing's

Fortiana and the paranormal keep on like rearing their head at points in my life. I was, I just wasn't listening to it. Wasn't listening to that calling. Gotcha. Until about seven years ago about, is when I said, okay, I guess I'm going to do this. There's a question that came in from the audience, Instagram. And so Jordan, Heath, he's from Campfire. Our Tales is strange and unsettling. He says, he asked, was there a account that made you think that Bigfoot might be something,

something that like, you know, you read it and you were like, oh, that's cool. Like something way back. Well, you know, so I was always a monster kid and like Bigfoot was actually my thing. Okay. Which is kind of funny that this was my first like book solely dedicated to Bigfoot because I sort of ended up jumping into the UFO stuff. before I did the Bigfoot stuff. Of course, all this, all this kind of comes together in bits and pieces. But I was, you know, I was kind of not sold on the whole UFO thing until I discovered, you know, the idea that, oh, this might have something to do with altered states of consciousness.

And that's what opened it up to me. But before that, prior to that, I was mostly interested in Bigfoot. And, you know, we were just talking earlier about how, you know, the first book that I press into someone's hands when they say they're interested in Bigfoot is that Jeff Mildrum book. I think it's legend and science. I'm like, this is, this is great place to. start, it's fantastic. Exactly. But I think the, because like, you know, I always wanted, and still to a certain degree, won't Bigfoot to be a flesh and blood creature.

But the first thing that made me think that there might be something a little bit more, I don't know, a little bit stranger, a little bit more folkloric is, I was reading Jay, Robert Alley's Rinko's Sasquatch, which is a great book that not enough people to talk about, I don't think. And in it, he mentions that the bequess, which I really should just look this up and memorize it. It's either the, I think it's the Tlingot, Bigfoot analog, if memory serves. And if I'm incorrect, forgive me, but it's one of the Alaskan tribes.

The be bequess, if you accept food from them and eat it, you'll be trapped with the bequist forever. And the food looks like dried salmon, but it's actually tree bark. And for whatever reason, I had always thought about, um, Or I'd always remember the idea that in Western European folklore, although you see it worldwide, if you went to Fairyland and you took food from the fairies, you ate it, you'd be trapped there forever. And I'm like, this sounds exactly like that thing with the book was. That's weird, yeah. And you know, and you're looking at like, these cultures should not have had any, you know, contamination, right?

So you really left with one of three things. either we did have a global civilization that was transmitting these cultural ideas back and forth, or the Jungian collective unconscious is real, and these are just ideas that are floating out there that, you know, by merit of being a human being will find their way into your brain, or that these people are, you know, describing something objectively real. And any one of those is fascinating to me. Any one of those is miraculous. So that's what set me on the path.

towards my first book, which was all about that food taboo. But that was, I think that, that instance still sticks out to me because that was one of those moments where I was like, there's something to this and this particular aspect hasn't been explored. And then, you know, that was way back in 2014 is when I started working on a Trojan feast, my first book. And, you know, and it wasn't until 2020 that footprints came out. Man, that's, do you have like a, like, let's say someone is like, where are the footprints

and how does that have to do with Bigfoot? What's the elevator pitch for the two do books that explain how it does like connect with Bigfoot? Between Footprints and like Trojan Feast or between Volume 1 and 2 of Where the Footpath? Oh, well you know I

I have found for me that this is going to be the longest elevator pitch so we're going up 30 floors, right? Awesome. I have found for me that the more I look into these things, things, one of two things happens, or two things do happen. The first is that I find that a lot of the orthodox, more popular explanations for what's going on in terms of there actually being a genuinely

anomalous answer to these questions, these mysteries, don't quite seem to fit for me and don't quite seem to resonate for me. And I think that's partially because I'm really sympathetic to a lot of skeptical arguments. You know, not in the sense that I think that there's nothing going on, but in the sense that like, you know, with Bigfoot, I do think that there's a problem that we don't have a body.

That's a problem. And I know the, I know the common, you know, the common counterpoint that we don't often run across mountain lion carcasses or bare carcasses, but like in the course of human history, we have, you know? Right.

So, um, so I'm sympathetic to a lot of those, a lot of those complaints, but at the same time, I've talked to too many people. having not really had a siding myself, I've had some things that are suggestive of Bigfoot activity happened to me, but I've never had a siding myself, but I've talked to people who have seen these things.

I'm like, well, how do I reconcile this that there isn't a lot of tangible evidence, even though Bigfoot does have the best evidence of any unexplained phenomena for its reality, I would argue that. But like, we still don't have a body, but at the same time, I talk to these people

and it sounds like they really saw something. And then you throw into the mix, all these anomalies that, Um, like, you know, the abruptly ending trackways that you find the, the series takes this name from. And, and, and you put those up against older folklore of things like, you know, the fayfolk and witches and spirits and all sorts of other different things. And you're like, this, the same things that we see happening in Bigfoot folk, or in

bigfoot stories, even amongst people who are, um, very dedicated flesh and blood researchers. you find those things resonating and appearing in, you know, older, older folklore regarding all these other things. You know, like, for example, the braiding of horse mains, which I always thought was interesting. And I think there are even, you know, I think there are even some people who claim to have seen Bigfoot breaking into stables and braiding horse mains. That's interesting, but I find it just as interesting that you'll find in England if somebody had come into a state. stable and the horse's mane was braided overnight, they would have attributed it to fairies or witches. I'm like, so, yeah, yeah. So, so, so, so what's happening in those two instances, you know? And even if it is something relatively mundane, like people not brushing their horses'

mains when they put them in for the night, why do we jump to that? Why do we jump to our boogeyman? Right. Why do we jump to our boogeyman as an explanation? Yeah, yeah. And I find that, I find that just as interesting, honestly. So I've literally put my notes off. to the side of my screen, so I can't see them. And I'm, so this, this could get wild and crazy. Why is it that the one culture, let's say Ireland, England, they're focusing on the fairies, the fayfolk, but our culture, North America, we're seeing it as like Bigfoot and Sasquatch. Have you ever thought of maybe there's like a, is there a reason for that or?

Well, I think there are a couple different reasons. I mean, I think that in an alternate universe, if, if, if, if, Folklore had been imported more successfully to the new world, we would still be attributing it to fairies. You know, outside of the East Coast, a lot of that folklore didn't really make its way into the continental United States. You find it here and there, but like mostly, especially like New England and up until like, you know, you know, the eastern coast of Canada, that's where you find a lot of that folklore about fairies persevering. So I think that's part of it. You know, I think it's, I think that something about Bigfoot, even though it can be traced back to, you know, that wild man archetype from from Europe, I think that something about it is very appealing to the sort of Western materialist, physicalist mindset, you know, that everything that exists in reality is, is, you know, it's going to be a flesh and blood creature or it doesn't exist, right? There's no in between.

And that's something that, you know, a lot of indigenous cultures were comfortable sitting in that gray area. And, you know, for those of us who are of, you know, European settler descent who are here in America's, our own, you know, lineage used to be able to sit in that area a lot more comfortably as well. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. We'll be right back after these messages. And, you know, that mindset, I think that the reason that where the footprints in hasn't been more derided than it has is because, um, it's. is because I think people are coming around to that way of thinking again. Now, I'm sure that some people will think that that's some sort of, you know, sign of the fall of civilization that we're actually entertaining these ideas about, you know, this in between not physical versus physical sort of middle gray area.

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or not physical, that's kind of breaking down a little bit. And I think that's probably the reason that people are more willing to entertain the idea. I mean, quite frankly, the Wu ideas that are in the book, because there's some far out ideas in footprints one and two. And I would say it's probably the best resource you can find out there for like getting a solid viewpoint of all those viewpoints, but also like solid, um, uh, sightings to back up different things. Like you've really done your research for getting different, uh, Bigfoot sightings from all over the place, really, it seems. Well, I really appreciate it. Um, yeah, I, I think, you know, so Tim Renner,

who I'd never want to leave out of the conversation. Oh, yeah, totally. He's, he's a huge part of this. It was his idea, actually. Um, originally sort of wanted to structure this as more of an encyclopedia, a weird bookfoot. And it, I came in and I kind of shifted the focus a little bit, but, um, we kind of wound up in between. But yeah, we tried to put as nice. And, you know, we tried to put as many things as we can in there. The only thing that we didn't really give a lot of time or space to is ideas that Bigfoot of the Nephilim, which is just a rabbit hole that neither of us quite frankly felt like going down because that's a rabbit hole. Yeah. Yeah. It's a rabbit hole. And the people who think that are very vocal about thinking that, not saying that that's not the

case. I mean, I'm a Christian myself. Even though I'm a weirdo Christian, I'm a Christian myself. And, but it's just something that was just like, you know, that's, that's going to add another 20,000 words, I think, if you want to do it justice. So we kind of mentioned that a little bit, but really trying to look at these templates from around the world with these different traditions. And I'm sure some people will, you know, look at the books and say, well, what is Bigfoot? I'm like, we don't know. But we are saying that depending on what suite of attributes you're looking at in terms of paranormal phenomena or paranormal entities, there are a lot of similarities between what we attribute to Bigfoot and things, again, like fairies, like witches, like ghosts, like

you know all sorts of other things that's a lot there was a lot there i'm going to go back and rewatch like this is amazing there's a lot this is a this is a rewatch one for sure they're all rewatch ones guys but you know what i'm saying um man i appreciate it and if i ever go too far a field just feel free to to rain me back um we'll be right back Hey, it's Pat Flynn here, host of the award-winning podcast, the Smart Passive Income Podcast, which was created to help you learn how to become an entrepreneur. And in the simplest way, too, you know, entrepreneurship can be very difficult. I like to simplify things.

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So a little later on, we're going to go into maybe some different points that are that are brought out in the books. But I got to ask it right off the bat. What do you feel? So you know about like Skinwalker Ranch in Sherman Ranch and stuff like that, right? You know about the story where they saw the portal open up and they saw like a humanoid big foot like I think step out of the portal. What are your

thoughts on that? You think that's you know? Man, Skinwalker is such a tangled mess at this point. You know what I mean? It's interesting. It's kind of like Roswell to me in a way that like I think something weird is going on there, but there are so

many fingers in that pie that it's you know it's it's starting to look like we'll never have a firm idea of what's going on and and what i mean by that is um there are illusions that you'll find in some of the lays writings and some of the stuff that erika luke has talked about about it sounds like that was kind of a government playground to explore non-lethal weapons testing like there's some curious waivers that you'll find i think in some of the security guards yeah so like and what does that mean because the uinta basin is weird and has been weird long before there was a U.S. government at all. Oh, too.

Totally. So does that mean that, like, they said, okay, well, we can use this as cover to play with our toys? Does that mean that they're using the energy of the area to somehow, you know, make these toys? You know, I really don't know. As far as that particular anecdote about the portal, it certainly is resonant with a lot of stories that you hear about Bigfoot coming in

and out of portals elsewhere. And, you know, like, there's a part of it. me where I hear stories like I can write about Bigfoot coming out of a portal all day but when somebody comes up to me and says they saw Bigfoot step out of a portal I still kind of go okay okay yeah you know even even though I even though I do think that there's something to that it's just like it's I'll tell you part of what it is too all right um whenever I see somebody in the UFO field who comes to me and they have like all the answers in terms of like and it starts to sound like Star Wars right like you know the Zebel Ghanubian

are fighting the Krasmats from Kleegon 5. And it's like, okay, that's a little bit too tidy for me. You know, I think that the phenomenon is a lot messier. So when people say that they saw Bigfoot step out of a portal, sometimes I don't know what to do with that. But at the same time, it's, it would be a handy explanation for a lot of different things. And if you want to wrap that up in a sort of quasi-scientific bow and say that these are other dimensions, that's fine.

I tend to be more of a spiritually inclined person. So I think that you say another dimension, you might as well be saying the other world, whatever that was, Fairyland, Dreamland, the afterlife. Alternate universe, something. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, I still don't know what to make of that story from Skinwalker

because it sounds like a big foot crawling through. And I would have absolutely crap my pants if I've seen that. It's crazy. It's crazy. I really hope, you know, someday. Because it seems like that's kind of a one-off thing, and there's been no more, like, Bigfoot stuff in that, in that area, that at least that they've talked about.

So maybe, maybe someday. But you seem to be always, you know, you're probably already researching, looking into Bigfoot reports. These books have been out for a few years. Have there been reports that you've seen since they've come out that are like, you're just like, wow, that is just like a fantastic report or story. but it's not in the book. Yeah, there have been a couple of times

and I see something I'm like, man, I really wish we had known about that. Off the top of my head, I'm not sure if I can remember any. But anything that really mixes different things up, I mean, part of it too is the fact that like, you kind of know if you've hit a nerve when you see new cases

and you can kind of imagine where they would fit in a story, you know. As far as something, that I've heard since then. I know that I've heard a couple ones, and I'm just, I can't remember what they are. A lot of what I think is really interesting is to see the sort of feedback that we've gotten.

Oh, sure. From people who, from people who have taken certain ideas and really run with them. And I'm like, oh, duh, of course, you know. So one of them was, you know, this idea that Tim put together, which I told him at the time,

I said, there's nothing to this. I don't know why you're exploring this. this idea of women and white and wild men and how that idea stretches back over the years and, you know, up to it including sightings of these spectral women and white who have been seen at Bigfoot habituation sites. Now, of course, doesn't necessarily mean that they're connected,

but, you know, it's rare enough to see a ghost. It's rare enough to see a big foot. What are the odds of you seeing them both on your property and them not being related somehow, right? But that is actually a deep connection that stretches back into just some of the earliest folklore. And time again, you find this where, like, you know, a wild man character is paired with a,

with a, you know, a virginal maiden character or something like that, as you know, these two sort of partners in crime, as you were. And people, some of the people that we've, some of the people who've read the book have taken this a step further. And they've said, have you ever thought about how the Christmas tree is, is kind of like, kind of like a microcosm of where the, footprint said and I'm like what? They're like, well, you've, oh man, that's okay. You've got the Christmas lights, which are likely anomalous lights that are seen in areas of heavy big foot

activity. You've got the Santa Claus who is like, who is a wild man. Like you can literally trace that. You can literally trace that lineage through Odin to the Wadwows to your to European wildman archetype. And you have the, uh, the angel on top of the tree is the woman in white. I'm like, you know, that kind of makes sense. But, but once you see that, once that unlocks with you, idea of the woman in white and the big foot that dichotomy of the the the the feminine and the you know the the the pure feminine and the feralized masculine you see it everywhere you know beauty and the king kong and you know you end up seeing that everywhere and it's oh yeah okay yeah yeah i can see that that that yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna probably see that everywhere now that's that's really weird yeah

that's the way it works yeah it's like you see you get you buy a volvo and everyone is driving volvos around you, you know, it's just what you're looking for, right? Why do you think it's in, let's say, let's talk about Bigfoot research for a little bit. Why do you think it's important to not just maybe get stuck on a, like, a way of thinking that might be like, okay, it's only this and I can't consider other things. Why is it so important to consider like all the things? Well, I mean, so I can take this in a couple different directions. For me, like, I don't like to stick with one idea or to just have my mind made up going in on something.

I like to challenge my own held beliefs politically, religiously, like all those beliefs, I like to challenge them because I think that strengthens them, you know? You know, and the other thing is, you know, being sort of a John Keel disciple, Keel famously said belief is the enemy because if you're thinking gets calcified, it gets brittle. and you know, you can't pivot as easily and, you know, it's easy for something to shatter your worldview. But, you know, there's some other stuff that bothers me about people who are really, really adherent and insist that Bigfoot is a flesh and blood creature. I am saying that maybe it is and maybe it isn't. Okay. I really don't know. And there's obviously a very strong physical component to this, you know.

But first of all, you know, you'll talk to these people who are like, well, if somebody, says that the Bigfoot vanished before their eyes. Maybe it just jumped behind a tree or jumped into a ditch. And I'm like, okay, that's fine. But if you want to walk that logic back, you can arrive at, oh, the person saw a bear. You know what I mean? So why are we even doing this? Right. Right. You know, well, if it jumped into, you know, well, maybe you saw a bear. And then, you know, there's this other idea that we have a lot of indigenous testimony from a bunch of different tribes. they all believe different things, but you can kind of lump them into three categories,

which is Bigfoot is an animal, Bigfoot is an animal with supernatural qualities or Bigfoot is supernatural, right? Sure. And, you know, there's this, like, there's almost this holdover of, you know, not to use these sort of buzzwords that people are talking about, but like, there's like this kind of like colonialist dismissive undercurrents,

a lot of cryptozoology, whether like, you know, by jove these primitive savages say that the creature can you know vanish at will they must have they must be mistaken it's it's quite a you know stealthy creature and i'm like well these are these are people who have like lived in the in the wilderness since time and memorial you know they know when an owl's an owl and they know when something's a little bit different so i think that kind of plays into it a little bit um but you know i just i i i feel like there's not enough agnosticism regarding exactly what these things are. And by these things, I mean UFOs, lake monsters, Bigfoot, other cryptids, you know, because the jury's still out, because no one does have one way of garage. So, you know, you can say things like,

well, this doesn't seem to be something that you've seen in a lot of cases, or this does seem to be something that you've seen a lot of cases. You can talk about dermal ridges and mid-tarsal breaks all day. I'm on board for that, you know. But when you just say outright that hypothesis A, B, or C is not possible, or even worse that people who entertain those ideas are lazy thinkers, that's when I get a problem with it. Because, I mean, there's plenty of lazy thinking on both sides

when it comes to the flesh and blood versus not flesh and blood issue, in my opinion. You know, plenty of new age people who are talking about Bigfoot, the forest spirit, who's here to save humanity, you know? Right, right. You know, it's all, yeah, anyway. And what I like to do is try to find that sort of middle ground where it's like, well, is there a way that it seems like we can have our cake and eat it too? I like that.

I like that. Yeah, it's, you know, on this podcast, like, I am, I guess, you know, you could use the terminology, flesh and blood guy, but like I like to have varying, differing viewpoints on the show and then, you know, learn a little bit from everyone, which I think is important for us all to do. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. will be right back after these messages. Right.

I guess, you know, it just comes from this place of, you know, I would, I feel like, and this is maybe a harsh characterization, but I feel like the flesh and blood community derides the people who don't think Bigfoot is a flesh and blood creature more than vice versa. You know, because I'm, everybody that I've talked to is just like, hey, let's look at these odd outliers over here. rather than just ignore them outright, which it seems like a lot of people in the flesh and blood

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notes furiously, you know, and then they say, it disappeared into a ball of light and you're like, oh, I don't remember. Yeah, rip it up. I don't know. It's just like, well, did this person seem credible to you 30 seconds ago? Thank you. Right. Yeah. So I think we could all be more, give each other a little bit more grace than we do. I think that that's one of those solid lessons to take away as being a good human being that could apply to a lot of different things. So definitely good words there. Let's go through maybe a few different points I wrote down as I was looking through your books there. and I'm just curious, you know, what your, what your thoughts are on the different subjects. So, and I've had, I've had a story, this period of subject, I had a gentleman tell me a story once where he saw a bigfoot coming down a trail.

Actually, sorry, he saw an orb first. And then he looked further down the trail and he saw like a big foot controlling it with like one of his hands or something like that, which is kind of a cool, you know, idea. but what are your thoughts what are your thoughts on like the orbs being seen in uh around the you know the big foot well i mean so you're you're trying to cobble together some sort of explanation from all this quite frankly nonsense right these things that don't they don't compute right yeah i have a couple of different thoughts about that um i think sometimes uh that the now of course in the specific example of the bigfoot community controlling the orb. Was there like a device or something? No, he was just like the way I imagine it.

He's Dr. Stranging it? No, no, no. Even better in Labyrinth when David Bowie is like this. Oh, nice. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's great. I love that. I love that. Dr. Strange is great too. So, so I have thought sometimes because like the light phenomena is something that you see every. Like, I don't think that there is a single, I'm sure somebody can prove me wrong. But to my knowledge, there's not a single paranormal phenomena that doesn't involve light phenomena. And orbs, I think you could say even more specifically. And so much of that is context dependent, right? Like you see an orb in the sky. It's a UFO. You see it, you know, bobbing along an ancient, you see it bobbing along Stonehenge and it's a fairy light or you see

it in a haunted house and it's a ghost. And, you know, you see it in the woods and it's a ghost light, but then you have the big foot thrown in there to sort of, you know, undermine your expectations. But to that extent, I kind of wonder if, like, the lights are not, like, the naked, unvarnished version of the phenomena, if there is a shared paranormal supernatural phenomena. If that's, like, the, you ever played a video game and, uh, this happens, happened on computers in, like, the, in the 90s and early 2000s a lot where, like, a file would be corrupted and, like, the texture would be missing, you know? Oh, yeah, totally.

Sometimes I kind of wonder if that's not what we're seeing with the lights, right? Like, it's unskinned. That's really scary, actually, to think about it. out. It's unscanned, right? And then in my, in my, again, this is all super speculative and super hypothetical, but we do know that, um, there's a connection between the release of, uh, well, between the pineal gland and melatonin, which is DMT. And it, we all know that that is, it's, the, the pineal gland was an eye at one point. It's triggered by light still and it functions in. It's related to melatonin production. Anyway. So if we all contain this very potent psychedelic in our systems, which is dimethylptamine, which we all do. Everyone listening, congratulations. You're holding now.

Does this light somehow interact with that and dump that DMT into our system? And then we, or the phenomena itself, if there is an intelligence behind it, I do think there is, sort of goes through the wardrobe of our brain and says, oh, this person is kind of kind of interested in Bigfoot. Let's wear the Bigfoot outfit. Or, you know, oh, this person's, this person that I've heard before that it's using what we have in our minds and then kind of making it so that we don't freak out. Yeah. So, I mean, that's maybe something. Yeah, maybe. But, you know, when you've got this sort of hierarchy in like the story that you were talking about, where like the Bigfoot is controlling the orb, part of me doesn't know what to do with that.

And it's, it's not an uncommon thing where you hear about Bigfoot holding worms. There was a couple of cases in the 70s, I think not necessarily part of that Stan Gordon waves, but I think just another part of this. I think this is maybe near Pittsburgh or something where somebody saw a big foot holding an orb and like there was a flying saucer in the distance, you know, above them. Wow.

The trifector, right? Yeah. And I think that there is a very important thread to pull on regarding the way that we conceptualize the human soul. And I'm being sort of coy and cagey about that because it's part of my new book that's not out. And it's not like I'm trying to like, it's not like I'm trying to like, you know,

gin up publicity or anything for that. It's just like, it's just such a complex thing that I don't really want to get into it. But like we've oftentimes thought that these anomalous ghost lights were human souls, our own souls wandering, death omens, all sorts of different things. So once you introduce that factor into a Bigfoot siting, you have to sort of look at like, well, maybe Bigfoot has something to do with death and the nature of our souls, which... Wow. It's weird. Yeah, that is weird.

But, you know, if you know, but if you want to sort of follow that trackway, it'll take you to some odd places. Yeah. And so people, I'm sure, are going to be like, oh, it must be demons. I'm like, well, it's not quite what I'm saying either. I think that there's, you know, a robust ecosystem of weird things out there that are preoccupied with things on that side of the curtain. That makes any sense. I think it does. And that's the whole, like, there's the Brown Mountain lights.

There's the orb lights seen around Puckwaji reports. I mean, it really does. Like, there's so many different ways the whole the orb thing goes. but I'm also dust you know every ghost under episode

like you know we caught an ore but it's so there's also dust and there's also yeah there totally is not what we're talking about folks we're talking about

yeah oh no we'll get the the ghost adventurers audience who'll be up in arms about about that Zach Baggins coming at you dude I would love to interview

Zach Baggins that would be so intense I would love it I would do Zach I know you're listening to this everyone We come on, man. I found it interesting in your books.

I can't remember which one. I'm sorry, but the part about owls. So it's like a lot, there's a lot of people that are thinking that when they hear an owl, it's actually a big foot performing the noise. Is that, or something of that nature? Yeah, owls are a strange, pardon the pun. Owls are a strange bird, literally and figuratively. So my good friend Mike Cleland has sort of looked into the UFO owl connection at length,

and that's a huge topic. But along with that, you do start to get these stories of owls and UFOs being seen either together or in close proximity or like people seeing these gigantic owls. And you also get stories. There's one story, I think, in volume two, I think, where there's this woman who went to her sweat lodge and she saw some big foot outside and there were owls around her home at the time and it ended with her having a giant triangular UFO sighting as it floated overhead while her husband battled poltergeist inside his house. I don't know, but here's the thing, man. I hear stories that wild and I'm like, if I was going to make up a story that someone would buy, it wouldn't be that. I wouldn't go that far.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And so I'm a big fan of just high strangers in general. But we're turning to the owl. There doesn't seem to be some sort of connective tissue there. And people do oftentimes report Bigfoot mimicking all sorts of things from, you know, human beings to other animals to especially different bird calls, right? And, and, you know, owls are an especially common one. Lots of times they'll say it sounded like an owl, but it sounded like a 500-pound owl, you know? And, and what's interesting to me is that, you know, And people who are just who are on the more of the flesh and blood side of things will find this interesting too. Is that, you know, so we've all heard of these, we don't know what, we oftentimes don't know what to call them when we hear them in pop culture, but they're called contact calls, which is, you know, where you have spec special ops guys going, you know, they're communicating. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's an entire field of study that has cataloged the most often used contact calls that people use for stealth operations. And at one point it was very common, I think, in Europe for, for thieves.

to use owl sounds. Because there was, you know, not only would people expect to hear an owl at night, right? But also there were so many superstitions surrounding owls that, like, people would generally kind of stay away because there were oftentimes an element of death, again. So you have that in there as well. So, yeah, it kind of sounds to me like maybe

there might be some sort of connection there. But, you know, returning to this mimicry idea, Some of the ways that Bigfoot can mimic things, it sounds like it's pretty uncanny. And it sounds like we're talking about like a liar bird level of mimicry that's going on here. Because like it sounded, you know, I was one story. It's like, you know, I was 40 miles from anywhere and I heard a forklift backing up. Or, you know, Ron Moore.

Yes, yes, yes. Yeah, the stampeding horses by the Sierra side. Or the car door closing in the woods where there's no cars. That's all the time I hear that. Yeah. So, you know, it's possible for an animal to make those noises because, like, if you, if you haven't looked up a liar bird, like, go do that. It's crazy. It's wild. Yeah, it's wild. But that's, there's no mammalian precedent for that. I think it was Moorhead who suggested that maybe Bigfoot have dual sets of vocal cords. And the only mammal that does is the marsupial is a quality. Oh, interesting. So you start, and you see this again with Bigfoot, it's like, well, Bigfoot could have this attribute. It's like, cool.

And you're like, well, they could also be like the only creature on earth with with glowing eyes. And you're like, okay, that too. So two very unique things. And they're like, and they can leap, you know, 100 feet. And like, wait, okay. So like the two animals that can leap the farthest are the snow leopard and the clipspringer. And that's 50 feet. So you're telling me like it's like at the top of its game in like eight different ways in the animal kingdom.

It kind of makes me wonder if that's a bit of a misinterpretation sometimes. But interestingly, if you look at, you know, one of the most common things that people get in terms of these sounds of hearing Bigfoot are these, you know, bird calls or animal, you know, bird calls especially. And they're always like, it sounds like a bird, but it's kind of off. It's a little bit too deep. It's a little bit this or that. But like I would say far and away bird calls are what you hear from Bigfoot most often. And, you know, there are a couple of different directions you can go with that. I mean, like, it's a very common esoteric concept amongst magical practitioners that, like,

birdsong encodes special wisdom from the heavens, you know, the language of birds. You'll find that as an esoteric concept. And then also, if you look to, you know, medieval art, you'll find that that apes and birds oftentimes had an antagonistic relationship. Like, you have, like, an ape. reaching for a bird or an ape, you know, trying to attack a bird. And that implies sort of a relationship there, especially when you look at examples of. I think it's the Nagoi Rung, I think, if memory serves the Vietnamese rock apes.

I think that's right. Yeah, sure, sure. Who are reported, like, you know, attacking birds with stones and stuff. So it's almost like life is imitating art to be kind of woo about it. That is, but a very cool explanation. You've mentioned his name earlier. Stan Gordon What are your thoughts about

So let's say Chestnut Ridge And you've got all these reports Of like there's a Bigfoot sighting But it's next to a UFO sighting How does one wrap their mind around that? Well So I think it was There's a great book that's out there

Have you read Anne Sliton Albury's Bigfoot book? It's on the list If you can get your hands on it, it's wild And John Green to his credit wrote the forward. But I think in it he says, you know, well, if there is a connection there, I would assume that the flying saucer people are studying the Bigfoot. It's like, okay. So, like, good on you, John, that you that you wrote that forward. But like, that's, that's, that's levels of

assumption of, you know, and anthropomorphization of whatever lies behind the UFOs that I can't quite buy into. And, you know, Tim, my, my co-author said two things to me that I thought were really prescient. And number one was, you know, okay, well, if, if UFOs are interested in primates, why don't we get more, you know, orangutan UFO sightings or guerrilla UFO sightings? Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. Like, okay, well, you know, maybe Bigfoot's an interesting outlier, and that's why they're investigating them.

But then you look at something else that Tim said, which I sort of alluded to earlier regarding the ghost thing is, it is very rare to see a Bigfoot. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot Society. We'll be right back after these messages. All right, quick quiz for the hiring managers out there. What's worse? Being understaffed or being poorly staffed? Well, that's a trick question, because both are recipes for chaos.

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Yeah. So, you know, I don't know. I mean, I'm not, I would say probably at this point, antagonistic to the, to the extraterrestrial hypothesis as well. Fair enough. But at the same time, that doesn't necessarily mean that I have an answer on, on why we see UFOs in Bigfoot. And again, some of these stories are just, you know, knuck and futs.

I think there's a story in the book about the woman who was taken aboard a UFO and saw Bigfoot reading a newspaper, you know. And that may be, you know, that may be, that may be national inquire level stuff. Right. But at the same time, you know, it's, it's so strange that it kind of makes me say, is somebody into an altered state of consciousness or something? And that's an area that, you know, cryptologists, I think, haven't explored quite enough is that, that idea that somehow altered states of consciousness

might be playing a role in these things, too. That's an interesting thought, definitely. The UFO community is quite on board with the idea nowadays. But, you know, if, and to be fair, a lot of Bigfoot reports don't have those same hallmarks that you see in psychedelic trips and near-death experiences. And you don't, you don't quite get all those things. You get some of them here and there, but you don't quite get all those things. But I still think it would be an interesting direction to look in, especially for the weirder reports, you know, are people slipping in? into some sort of like, again, are they mentally slipping into another dimension or are they

entering like, you know, the realm of pure imagination because of some sort of external stimuli, you know, maybe, you know. There's a lot of areas you could go with that. But yeah, if you could like monitor brainwaves or something. I don't know. But try to try to put a few more questions in because, man, we're 45 minutes in. This is asking furious. I love it. What would you say to listener that's saying, I don't have anything weird in my area? Well, I would say that, uh, just, uh, in, in terms of like super weird bigfoot or just or like just anything like like, like I live in like middle, Iowa. There's nothing weird here. I feel this way sometimes because I feel like I'm, you know, paranormal kryptonite.

Like I, I've had some pretty dramatic ghost stuff happened to me, but, um, it's not often, you know, I talked to some of my friends who claim to have had a lot of stuff happen. I'm like, man, what What is your life like? You know, there's an interesting, interesting conversation that happened. I believe it was on my friend Greg Bishop Show Radio Mysterio. So back when that Skinwalker Ranch documentary was released and was talking to NAP and Corbell. Oh, yeah. And, and, and, I would love to talk to NAP.

Oh, my goodness. I think it came up. Well, that was, that was more for Corbell than it was for. No, I get it. I get it. But I think it came up that. that, you know, why is Skinwalker Ranch so strange?

And I think the assertion or the conclusion that they reached was that Skinwalker Ranch isn't any different than your backyard. It's just that it happens more often there. And that, you know, there might be, you know, dozens or hundreds of places everywhere. But often, you know, honestly, if you look, I would say that you are no more than a few hours drive from something strange, you know, and I would say a good thing.

place to start looking would be wilderness areas, you know, a lot of ancient archaeological sites. I think, you know, I think there's something to Kiel's window area idea being centered around those. Exactly what that means. I don't know. But I think that, you know, you see that sort of trend happening from time and time again. But there is weirdness to be found. And if you're really adventurous, you can bring the weirdness to you, which, you know, Terence McKenna style, five drag grams and silent darkness. But, you know, I'm not advocating for that, but I know some people...

I don't get the reference, but I sure don't advocate whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I mean, it's, it's, it's this idea that, you know, if you are looking to, I'm not a magical practitioner. I have never done, I have never done psychedelic drugs, you know, and that's not me being, it's not being, you know, a little church boy or something. I really haven't because they terrify the hell out of me. But like, but, but there are, you know, I remember talking to my friends and I'm like, man, it would really be kind of cool to see one of the faithful. He's like, well, if you get some mushrooms, I'm sure we can make that happen. So, so I mean, like, you can go looking for it or, you know, sometimes if you look hard enough, it'll come your way, even without any of those things going on.

So speaking of looking for it, let's say you've got a listener where they're like, I've read, I've read Josh and, you know, Josh's books and they're awesome and I love all the stories that how am I, how can I find my own story? Like where is he finding all these stories from like oh man partially from being just obsessive you know a really good really good place I mean like so I we're talking about this before we started you know I'm right right I do listen to a lot of podcasts um in part you know I started that when I was on my commute but it's kind of the thing right now whereas if I'm not doing something that needs my oral attention or I'm not trying to write I've got a podcast going and you'll find stories in there And if you're, if you're looking for a specific idea or, or something like that, you'll find a story that will allow you to pull on a thread. And from there, it's just like serendipity.

You end up pulling on that thread and it leads you in another direction. It leads you to somebody or something that you've never heard about. And that's, that's been always a really good avenue for me. I mean, part of what I do is I have a lot of digitized magazines. And I have a pretty extensive library. So that, that helps, right? that helps. Yeah, it does. But yeah, I think if you're just looking for stories, that's a good place to start. And I always, I don't know if they are any more valid, but I do have a soft spot

for those pre-internet magazine stories and journal stories because it took a little bit more effort. It took a little bit more effort to get that into the, to get that printed than it does to hop on Reddit and say, you know, I was attacked by Dogman in Yosemite or something. I love the, the 1960s Bigfoot journals. You know, and it's like, like, Renee DeHinden writes in and says, I'm out to look for the Bigfoot. And then John Green is hanging out too. And I'm like, oh, my goodness, this is awesome. You can find those.

You have to know where to look, but they are digitized and out there. Yeah. And you know what? I find a lot of people don't know how powerful Google advanced search can be. Exactly. So if you just like take a, I'm sure there's some YouTube videos, they're YouTube videos for everything. but like I just look into that and like that can lead you some really cool places as well and then you know the other thing is sounds so dorky your local library but um but inter library

loan is a beautiful thing oh that's a good point yeah it got sort of sidetracked over COVID they weren't doing that as much but um and and if you are close to you know a university especially a flagship university like a state you know the university of XYZ those libraries oftentimes you can walk you can't check anything out but you can walk in and just walk through the stacks and sometimes if you find a topic a book on a topic there'll be a lot of books around it that are you're like oh that looks interesting too like I can't tell you how many times I've like incredible threads to pull on from the book beside the book I was looking for you know and if you live near your Humboldt State University in California they have a whole bigfoot reference room I believe that's the

name of the school because bobo always talks about it on Bigfoot and Beyond but um let's Let's end with one final question. And what are, let's say, what are three books that you could recommend to listeners? I'm going to recommend five. Oh, okay. I love it. You're going to recommend five because we've already talked about Mildrum's book. We've already talked about Jay Robert Alley's book.

So those aren't going to count. So three ones that I would recommend on top, Bigfoot specific or not? Bigfoot cryptage zoology. Yeah. Okay, okay. So, I would have said, I would have said George P. Hanson's attrition and the paranormal, but he doesn't really get into cryptosology too much.

So I'll throw that out. Patrick Harper's demonic reality is a wonderful book, and it will sort of open you up to this way of thinking, whether you like it or not, it's a beautifully written book, and whether or not you agree with it, he makes an interesting case for the sort of ephemeral nature of some cryptic. Oh, interesting. I am,

I'm looking back here on my shelf. Another Bigfoot book that I really love is the locals. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that Tom Powell? Tom Powell, yeah. Yes. Tom Powell's the locals. It is another great one.

Yep. And I would also recommend, I'm trying to think specifically, Bigfoot, you know, I think I'm going to, I'm going to sort of sidestep the cryptosology specific thing. Sure. And I'm going to say Jerome Clark's The Unixpload. Oh, a classic. And I grew up with that book and that original copy is still at my parents' place. And it's like been, it's got like masking tape around it because the cover fell off.

Oh, man. But like, I just, I find it so, you know, I think, I think diversity is important. not only in the way that we're talking about it nowadays, but like just diversity of opinion and diversity of thought and diversity of topics. Like the healthiest ecosystems are diverse ecosystems, right? And your brain is no different. And I think that really cultivating a healthy interest in a lot of these different topics can allow you to start to see some of the connections.

And, you know, I'm convinced that if we ever get to the bottom of these topics, which I don't think we will, but I'm convinced that the answer very well might reside in some of these things that no one has ever even thought of connecting to it or not even thought of looking at it. Yeah, 100%. Oh, man, those are solid recommendations that have never been brought up on the show. So thank you for that. Audience will be pumped to hear new ones that are not cryptozoology A to Z and Sasquatch Legend Meat Science. Not to belittle those because they need to be in your bookshelf.

But before we head on out of the main show, Josh, do you mind sharing where people can keep up to date with what's going on. And anything you want to plug about upcoming stuff, the floor is yours to do it, whatever you want. Okay, well, I, here we go. Everything about me, you can find at Joshua Cutchin.com, J-O-S-H-U-A-C-H-U-A-C-H-I-N, just like a cut on your chin.com.

That's got updates for all my upcoming books. I have three books that should be coming out relatively soon. One is a book of essays that I edited and contributed to on how fairy folklore finds its way into films. And the other two are a two-parter

that I'm releasing all about death and the paranormal and how a lot of these things seem to overlap with those. Festivals are back, baby. They're back, baby. Next weekend. So not this upcoming weekend,

not two days from now, but a week from two days from now. I'll be at the Western North Carolina Bigfoot Festival in Miriam. I'm not speaking or anything, but I'll have a table, so come by and say hi. And be nice. And be nice. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And then August is an absolute mess for me.

Yeah, in a good way. I will be speaking at the worldwide and metaphysical tribe in Illinois. Wow. Yeah, that's August 11th, 12th, 13th, and 14th. It's sort of a retreat when they have some people. I think I might be one of the first cryptid speakers there. Oh, nice. Yeah, because, you know, worldwide and metaphysical tribe,

we're not talking about flesh and bludders here. Right, right, yeah, not at all. Yeah. And then the following weekend, I am pleased to announce that I will be a speaker at the Midwest Conference on the Unknown. Where is that? That's in Cape Girardeau, Missouri. Oh, I'm from Central Iowa, so that's very interesting.

Very cool. Yeah, that's August 5th through 7th, and they've really put together a Ruggs gallery of speakers. It's myself. It's myself, right? It's myself, Micah Hanks, Ryan Sprague, Joel Williams, Back Bales, Margie K., Michael Huntington. And I think some other folks that haven't been enough. That's a solid conference for Missouri. My goodness.

It's going to be a good hang. Yeah. So I'm excited about that. Okay. Very cool to see Ryan Sprague out here. And all those guys, oh man, good for you guys. Good for you. It's going to be fun. Wow. Josh, it has been super fun to have you on. You are going to hang out a little bit more for the Patreon after show. So patreon.com.4 slash Bigfoot Society. If you want to hear that, we're going to be talking. I got topics down here. We'll talk about fairies. We'll talk about the Goblin Universe.

We'll talk about UFOs and aliens. We'll talk about UFOs and aliens. we'll talk about other stuff. It's going to be wild. And we might have some people with questions. We'll see. But Josh, thank you so much for coming on tonight. An absolute pleasure. Thanks for listening to the Bigfoot Society podcast. Please take a few minutes to review the show on iTunes, five stars as it does help us get into the eyes and ears of more listeners on iTunes.

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