Bigfoot Society - Hunter Encounters Massive Figure in Hells Canyon—and Everything He Knew Falls Apart | Idaho

Episode Date: December 4, 2025

n this gripping episode of Bigfoot Society, Pastor and lifelong outdoorsman Jeffrey shares a series of chilling Idaho Bigfoot encounters from more than 40 years in the Rocky Mountains. From a mysterious juvenile figure photographed in the late 1960s near Pagosa Springs and Durango, Colorado, to a massive dark shape moving through deep brush south of Loon Lake near McCall and Hells Canyon, Jeffrey recounts multiple moments that defied all logic and every known animal behavior.You’ll hear firsthand about:• A canyon-crossing figure taller than surrounding brush• A rock-throwing incident on an Idaho ridge that had no human explanation• A silent, fast-moving subject seen moments after ATV riders passed• How these encounters impacted his understanding of the outdoors—and his Christian faithIf you're looking for real Bigfoot sightings, Idaho Sasquatch activity, Rocky Mountain encounters, or discussions about how the unexplained intersects with belief, this episode is a must-listen.🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to [e-mail] – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn MoreLMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNTOrganic and non-GMO groceries delivered for lesshttp://thrv.me/uarEhS🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072

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farms and crowded highways. The stories come from everywhere, and each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. So settle in, because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way you see the woods forever. So stay with us. All right, Bigfoot Society, you've got the privilege of talking to Jeffrey today. Jeffrey is a pastor, outdoorsman, big game hunter. A lot of things going on in the outdoors realm. Welcome to the show. Jeffrey. How are you doing today, sir? You're very good. Thank you. Awesome. And you, you listen to the show over on the YouTube side. Is that right?

Yes, I do. I catch you a couple episodes a week, a lot of the older ones. We have a very interesting show. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you so much for doing that. Jeffrey, we have definitely some interesting things to talk about. But we were talking a little bit beforehand, before recording started, and we are going to go, you're actually going to start your story back a little bit earlier. Talk about how you were introduced really to Bigfoot in general, and then we'll go from there. So feel free to take it away, Jeffrey, and take us back to when this all started for you. Yeah, very good. Yeah, so my father was a big game hunter and got me into it, and he used to take a lot of trips out of town when I was little. I think one of my earliest

memories was when I was about four and him packing up his gear to go on a hunting trip into the after meal deer and elk into the Rocky Mountains and such. And so it's been a part of my life. The outdoors has hunting, fishing, hiking, and been very successful as an outdoors when in a hunter. My life, which has put me out there in the woods a lot in the mountains and the Rockies to experience a lot of the natural beauty of the world and such. And I remember when my dad got back for one of his trips, for the first time and the only time in my memory, he decided to take the family to the movie theater.

And so I was like five or six years old, pretty excited to get to go to the movie theater. This was back in the 60s. And so interesting, what was the movie going to be? It was a double feature, Bigfoot. and Cougar country. And of all things, my dad wanted to go see Bigfoot, the Patterson Gimley film. And that's where I saw that in a theater when I was about six years old.

And it was fascinating. I got, I had to say I was much more interested in the Patterson Gimley film than I was the Cougar country that was boring after seeing Bigford running across the screen like that. So that was my first exposure to it. And what was interesting then shortly after that, of course, being back in the 60, 35 millimeter film, my dad was not a photographer. He carried around his little pocket cameras that would click through, manually clicked through. And so he took that hunting with him, take pictures of his trips and such.

And he brought out a photograph. And it was a snowy background up in the mountains and crossed there. And he said, he showed it to me. And he said, don't you look at that. See that spot right there? think that was like a juvenile bigfoot. Of course, I think he used a small kid or child Bigfoot. I'm only six. Juvenile wasn't. But that's what he was implying. And I'm looking at this thing. And I look at that photo for a while. And he says, yeah, it was there most of the morning.

And of course, to this day, I'm not sure what I saw in that photograph. And but I remember those, I remember that vividly is him showing that photo. And I don't even know where that photo has. is that today. It's a little too late now to be asking my father about it. Maybe when my mother passes away, I'll be able to rummage through all the hundreds and hundreds of old photos and find it. But what was interesting about it is I got later in life when you, what is that term when faces or figures and things that aren't there? Was it? Peridolia? Yeah, exactly. You got it. Yeah. Yeah. As I remember back and looking at that photo, that effect wasn't in play at all. There was, and so it wasn't like a trick of shadows he was showing me or anything in my mind.

And what I saw, there was something else there that, you know, because for me, it was hard for me to even pick it out. So I don't think he was showing me so much a trick of the shadows. But maybe there was something there. And I wish I had the photo. I wish I could ask him. But never talked about Bigfoot again after that. It was not a subject. And of course, over the years, he got me.

me out in the mountains with him hunting and fishing and stuff and never really was big foot of concern or even a thought it was interesting idea but by the time I was on my mid-20s getting towards the later 20s I'd spent countless hours in the mountains. In fact when I was during up to that time in my life I had about 30 hour a week job and when I wasn't working I was hunting or fishing and sleeping in my car up on the mountain with a fishing pole or a bow or a rifle or a shotgun or something and I'd come home and shower and to take off into work and then repeat that process over again. I lived to be in the mountains and spending the night alone in the mountains. I was a guy that I would leave camp and when we would go on our hunting trips with my

father, I'd leave camp at six before a son came up. And I wouldn't get back till after the sun went down. I got something. So I spent hours out in the dark and such. Never had any experiences whatsoever. It was a week or two ago, you had a gentleman on that was up at Loon Lake in Idaho, up above McAll. Yeah. And I hunted, I spent all my years below south of Loon Lake down between there and the Boise area and over to Hills Canyon or the west of that.

in that block of area. And so that's where all my experiences take place when I began to actually maybe experience some Bigfoot encounters. Not a lot. I hunted there in that area for nearly 40 years. And there's only two or three maybe times when I really thought I was experiencing something. But so it's my later 20s and I'm up hunting. I got rifle seas and I got a,

elk tag and a bear tag in my pocket. I drive up, head out in a couple miles off the road to get out there, overlook a canyon before dark. And I'm sitting there and it was about 300 yard, maybe 350 yards across this canyon where the trees would break out into some heavy brush. And I'm watching this hillside hoping a nice bowl would walk out. And I see movement across the canyon just on the edge of the trees. later in the evening and the sun's cutting through the mountain peaks and through some clouds and patchy light and so I caught movement I put my binoculars up and I see a flash of dark black so immediately I'm thinking that's a bear there's a bear season's still open I've got a tag so I catch another glimpse through my binoculars and yeah this is definitely not an elk definitely not a deer based on just the glimpses

I'm getting it can't be either one of those creatures so it has to be a bear so I get my right up, started looking for him in the scope and he's moving up the canyon across the way from me. And as I'm watching him, I get at the sun, he goes in a sunny spot and I've never seen the full body because he's on the edge where the brush is. And so I'm kind of looking through brush, hoping he'll step out, this barrel step out and give me a good shot. He's moving swift, which is kind of surprising. I don't think any other hunters around, so I can't figure out why he'd be moving so quickly

up this canyon. But he's moving quick, and like I said, he stepped out just a little bit of the, I've caught a glisten off his back, and it's an orangeish, blondeish color I caught. And I think, okay, even better, this is a phase bear. It's a bear, not black. It's off phase, which would make a really nice, a nice trophy. So it's getting excited. And I'm tracking him and see glimpses, trying to wait for him to give me that good shoulder

shot. And then I begin to see things that don't make sense. I'm like, where I think I see a head, I don't see any years. When I think I see a rump, it's out of position or a shoulder. Shoulder seems to be too high up above is back in, but I'm never seeing the whole body. And I keep looking at this thing through the scope. And then I see what I think is completely out of place, like an arm swing by. And a bear's front legs just don't look like that.

There's not long enough to resemble an arm. the front legs you're when he's especially moving quickly they're going to be down on the ground and the position was just not making sense to me and it began to really concern me and after i saw a couple more glances of things that just weren't making sense i began worried maybe i'd been had my rifle on another hunter but that didn't make it sense either it was moving too quickly too smooth, just that gate that just was effortless as he went up the canyon, climbing the edge of that canyon, still in the brush and the trees. I could see him weaving in and out of that. And it was just, it was mind-boggling. And it really unnerved me because I felt like, oh, no,

I've had my rifle pointed at another man, another hunter for the last two or three minutes. And so I pulled down the rifle and put the binoculars up. And I, and, and, and, watched him for going in and out of the brush for probably another two or three minutes and then it was gone, never saw it, never heard a thing, which isn't unusual if it's an bear can be very quiet. They have pads on rather than hooves so that they don't break branches or anything like a deer or an elk would, especially an elk. So they're very quiet animals in you, but the whole, it really was a sickening feeling in my stomach to think I had just, that maybe I had pointing my rifle at another person, but I couldn't reconcile it. It wasn't, it couldn't reconcile it. Definitely

wasn't a deer, definitely wasn't an elk. At the time, I thought, but it had to be a bearer. It couldn't, but it didn't look like a bearer. And so, I go back, I go back, it's getting dark, so I walk out of there in the dark, back to my vehicle. My plan was to spend the night there. I wasn't much for camping. When you're young, you sleep anywhere, anyhow. So I'll just like, man, lay the seat back and conk out for the night, get up, and grab a few donuts and a jug of milk and head up to the hills again. It's how I operated. I wanted to be mobile in case I didn't see anything. I could move on.

It was hunting was such a thing in my blood in my life. I just, that was more important than a good camp. So I spent the night there and I got up the next morning and I really had trouble sleeping. It was really, whether it was the excitement, whether it was the nerves of how upset I was that I had maybe had my rifle pointed at a human, which was completely, I don't know if you've ever had an experience like that, but it's very unnerving, especially for somebody who's drilled gun safety and weapon safety their whole lives. So the next day I circled back around, I decided to go across the canyon to where I saw this, what I thought was a bear. and I'm going to go look for sign and see if maybe I can find maybe he's back in the area. Maybe I'll redeem myself and actually see that he was a bear. But I get over there and I'd never been across this canyon before.

This is a place that I was newly exploring. And I get over there and I'm walking. I walk up and down that ridge for a couple hours on the edges of the trees. And I couldn't even see where I was. I couldn't look across the cane and see where I was sitting because the brush was too tall. and I could not find a place anywhere where a bear, a deer, or an elk would have been tall enough for me to have seen it where this thing was walking. And it was, after a couple hours of searching, I gave up and completely baffled. The idea that I possibly was seeing at a Sasquatch at the time, it was, I couldn't even, it didn't even come to my mind.

I wasn't there. I'd spent how many, I'd already at this point, I'd spend 15 years alone in the mountains all the time, even when my dad would take me hunting as a young kid, we'd split up, and I'd take off by myself, he'd take off and have a plan. So I was used to be in the woods alone, and never once did I ever think, oh, I hope I don't run into a bigfoot. And so the thought that this thing could have been a bigfoot or a Sasquatch, it just never occurred to me. And it wasn't until recently that I began to realize in couple of times. in the terms of what I had seen because nothing else fits the scenario. There's no body, no person, no creature, no animal that could have moved and been that tall

to have seen over the brush. Anything else in that particular area where he's going up and down the canyon would have been out of sight, would have been hidden behind the brush. So like I said, it probably wasn't until in the last year that I've really figured out that Maybe that was a first encounter I've had with a soft squash. And I wrote forward about another 10 years in my mid-30s. And again, I'm hunting. And I've been hunting all these years.

Too much hunting. That was my hobby. I was working or I was hunting at that point in my life. I wasn't even really a pastor or slightly involved in church, ancillary, but that wasn't really a driver. But it was about 10 years later. And me and my dad, this is a spot that I'd hunted a lot. And a favorite one of my hunting places, I would, I had my particular route I would take up into the hills. It was an all day hike, like I said.

Before the sun came up, hike all day, and come back and hit camp after the sun had dropped. So I could be out where the animals were. And so I'd climb the hills. It was a nice day, sunshiny day. And I get up and it's about 10, 10 o'clock, 10 30 in the morning. And I come to one of the first areas where I would usually sit. down and take a mid-morning break overlooking a nice canyon where I'd seen deer and elk before. And so I'm looking down over that canyon.

And behind me is the trail I came in on and it goes down into extremely brushy, brushy canyon, which I have never saw. You hear, yeah, you could hear them from 20, 50, 100 yards away and they went through there. It was so thick with brush. And I'm sitting, so I sat down, I'm sitting behind this nice big tree I usually sit under where I can see the canyon. Get out a little snack for breakfast. Sat there for maybe 10 minutes and something thumps to the ground in the bushes about 10 feet to my right. And I look over and I don't see anything that hit there, but my first instinct,

this was a big pine cone maybe fell out of the tree. So I'm looking up, looking to see if the tree had pine cones in it, big pine cones that would make that kind of thumping noise or maybe I would see a squirrel up there. Usually when you're that close to squirrels in the mountains, they're chattering at you. They don't want you. They see you, they get scared, they chatter at you. And every squirrel in the area knows there's somebody there that belong. But there's no chattering of squirrels. All right, quick quiz for the hiring managers out there.

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and probably five minutes later something else thumps right next to me in the same

spot about 10 feet away. And I look over and I see this rock about the size of a golf ball bounce into the brush. And I go, there's somebody behind me throwing rocks at me. And I pride myself on being really sneaky in the woods. I don't want the animals to know I'm there. I don't want other hunters to know I'm there. I like to get in and get out. I see other hunters and they don't see me. That's a goal of mine, not to be seen, to be just part of the wilderness. So that I would be sitting there quietly concealed behind this tree and somebody hunter had throwing rocks at me that was disappointing so i sit there real quietly and now i'm paying more attention to listening for what's behind me

and another one plops in same spot about the same size rock i think all right this is weird so the tree's large enough where you can't see me from the other side and i'm able to stand up real slowly and my idea is to just peer around this tree and figure out who's throwing rocks at me. I want to know who's this other hunter that would have the nerd to start throwing rocks at me in the trees and the woods. That's not something you do. It's like, what kind of a joker is this? Maybe it's, I know a couple guys that hunt up there. Maybe one of them saw me. And so I stand up and I slowly lean my head out to look around this tree and I don't see anything. And I'm standing there and all i'm just got my head poking out behind this tree just looking and looking

i don't see anything so i step back in behind that tree and i'm listening real carefully i don't hear anything another rock and now i this is like all right i'm frustrated now i just walk out and start walking in that direction i don't see i don't hear anything nothing what throws rocks So I hunt the rest of the day I get back to camp Never saw anything Never heard anything That was all there

It was And so I get back to camp And I said dad Did you see any hunters Come up the ridge I was on Yeah Because I would always hunt my ridge He would hunt his ridge

It's kind of how we did it And he always hunted He didn't go up nearly as high On the ridges as I did Me being younger and healthier And I would go up higher And he didn't hunt quite as hard as me He said no

I didn't see anybody else You see anybody maybe parked down along the, because from where he would hunt, he could see down at the road and kind of the typical parking spots where people might park or camp or pull over to hunt up the ridges in that area. Would you see anybody? He said, I saw a couple people drive by, but they never stopped, kind of roll along, real slow road hunting, but no, nobody ever got out. He says, wow, so somebody was up there throwing rocks at me. He said, I didn't see anybody. I said, where were you at? He said, I was over here all day on my ridge.

and so again it was perplexing the thought that it could have been a bigfoot never crossed from mine I'd never even heard that it was again until the last few months as I began to just look into the phenomena of Bigfoot I learned that they throw rocks now these are smaller rocks and and now as I look back I probably stuck in there sat down behind my tree and this thing just wanted to know what I was and what I was doing there. It seemed because as a hunter, I've been hunting and seen a brush pocket or something and I thought maybe there was deer in there, but I was in the great vantage spot, so I would take a big rock and throw it down in there and see if I could bust a deer out of there

or something or whatever was in there, get him to come out so I could see it. I kind of got the feeling as I look back that he was probably just trying to do that. He just wanted to see who was sitting there behind that tree, what I was doing. is curious. That's the feeling I got out. Do I know that? Absolutely not. I don't read Bitfoot minds. I'm not a, I'm really good at understanding how deer and elk and bear operate in the woods, but Sasquatch are beyond me, but it just felt like whoever was there, whatever they're doing, maybe they were just trying to get my attention. Maybe they wanted me to step out so they could see me, see what I was up to. And now that I put it all in place, I make sense. There was nobody else

there. It was just impossible. I never heard a sound. I walked in that direction, never heard her sitting, and I didn't see anything. So I'm thinking this thing had to be a soft squash. And again, I think back on that now with, so I started, I started, I don't know, I kind of run out of things to watch on TV, all the Netflix shows you want to watch are done in that downtime. And I got YouTube up. I like to watch a lot of different things on YouTube about bushcraft and watch hunters and carpentry work and all kinds of stuff i got plenty many interests and so youtube is a great place to go i come across some bigfoot stuff and in my mind i'm an analytical person i'm like man i've been in the mountains forever and like i said six eight months

ago i was like there's no bigfoot they're not real they'd be cool they were but they can't be real. I would have seen one in all the years of hunting. And then I caught what interest, what I really started watching is many of the shows with Jeff Meldrum on him, who as I understand recently passed away. But anyway, as a professor with his scientific approach to study in their footprints, that interested me. All right, now we have a legitimate professor who's doing some scientific studies on the footprints. And he's convinced there's something out there. Forget, oh, I'd exactly how he used to say it, but he says, there's some unknown bipedal primate out there making some of these tracks. Some of these are not fake. And so it got me interested. So I began to watch it.

And I read about, or I would watch these shows about how they would throw those rocks. And I think, my gosh, this, that's it. That's what was happening. No other creature in the woods throws rocks. except a person, or I guess now a Sasquatch, and there's no way it was a person. And as I also watched, I'm going to throw, I don't know that there's really any experts on Sasquatch. I know people spend a lot of time studying them, but the evidence is somewhat mostly footprints, obviously, great evidence, but when you get into the court system and when you really want to find evidence that firsthand visual experiences, it is, you know,

a week is one of the weaker forms of evidence. I'm convinced that I saw something unusual that day when that had to be but wasn't a bear, as nothing fits it. And I'm also convinced that nothing else has ever thrown rocks at me in the woods ever, that there's something going on. But anyway, I think how did it get away from me? And then I began to hear stories about how they would sometimes move around on all fours really swiftly. Or I think I heard one.

He was crab walking. And I think, how could this giant creature elude someone's experience of me hunting? And to give the context, I think I shot my first deer. And I don't want to offend anybody who might listen who's opposed to hunting. I understand that. And it's not my intent to offend anybody with this. but I shot my first deer when I was 15. And up until late in my 50s, I shot at least one deer or an elk or a bear every year of my life.

So nearly over 40 years of successful hunting every year. So I would say I'm pretty accomplished at it. None of them were all of them self-guided. So it's not like I was one of those guys that pay somebody $5,000 to put me in a deer stand and kills. These are all self-guided. just me and my dad or me by myself are a couple friends hunting the hunting in the mountains but i'd never seen anything and then people at people say where's the skeletal evidence where's the carcass why haven't found a dead one how many i've spent over 40 years in the mountains you know

how many carcasses i found zero and you know what there's got to be a lot everybody agrees there's more bear in the Rocky Mountains than there are Bigfoot. You know how many cougars I've found dead? Zero. Now, I found plenty of deer, plenty of elk, yet were killed by various weans, maybe by wolves or disease or automobiles. Never, have I ever found a carcass that was a bear or an elk. So, excuse me, a bear or a cougars. So why would I expect to ever find a dead sauce squash? They would have to be more rare in order to escape. our attention. So I don't see that as really an argument for why they don't exist. And like I said, to having watched that one, and I'm assuming it was a Bigfoot now, these many years later, as it crossed the canyon, I think about the way it moved and that's

the fluid nature of its movement and how quickly he could shift directions and shift his, but so fluidly, when I hear about these people that think the Bigfoot's there and it disappears. I've seen elk do that and they're not magical. These things are elk can be like a ghost. They can sound like a freight train or they can just slip away like a ghost. And even elk can do that with this giant hooves that crack and smash tree limbs on the ground. Then why couldn't soft-footed soft-squatch maneuver better, faster, quicker, designed for that type of thing. So, I don't know. While I didn't have a lot of experiences, I can't rule out the abilities of these things.

And as I said earlier in the beginning, I'm a pastor. and I've been a pastor in the ministry for over 20 years now. And I can, I don't know, I think there's, maybe this does, maybe they thought of a big foot or I'll throw it out there, or space aliens would cause somebody to stumble in their faith about, about God or their belief. And it doesn't, it doesn't have to. And you can go back in history and look at what the church has done to science. Galileo was, he was a label of heretic because of his belief in his identification of the solar system that the sun was at the center and not earth. And early Christians fell away.

We're the most important thing God made. So obviously the whole universe revolves around us. And so he was labeled a heretic. And another gentleman, about the same time period, Geridano Bruno, who was a philosopher and a cosmologist, he was burned at the stake in the Inquisition in Rome because he would not recant from the heresy of believing that the universe was infinite. So I went through a time in my, I'm going to get it to a little spiritual side because I think it's important for Christians and people. They don't have to, you don't have to discount God or you don't have to lose faith in God

because of a big footer aliens. 100%. Yeah, because, yeah. I mean, it's Christians and scientists have been at odds many times in history, but God in science has never been. God created science. He created quantum physics. He created space and time. He is not bound by space and time. He created all that there is. He created an infinite universe. And we're the only people in it. We're the only humans, only beings in it that he died for, that Christ died for. Great. Then he created us an infinite universe because he loves us so much and he's so powerful. he wanted to see this magnificent universe and he wanted us to experience the greatness of who he is.

But if he put a million other planets out there across the expanse of an infinite universe and he's present all of them, the Bible doesn't talk about that. The Bible doesn't say yes or no. Just like the Bible doesn't have any stance on whether Bigfoot is real or not, we don't have to allow these things to shake us spiritually or in our Christian faith at all. and because the church has historically made some big blunders on science having excommunicated Galileo who was proven right and so was Bruno who was burned at the stake I would like people to realize that you don't have to you don't have to an experience of any nature doesn't have to any way take away from your faith in God they're mutually acceptable Yeah. At least nobody's ever

found me a scripture yet. Exactly. And I'm a Christian as well. And the way, because I've thought about this a lot too. And the way I also look at it is, so if you look at the Bible, you look at the whole thing, you think of all the stuff that's happened in it. There's a lot of weird stuff in it. There's a lot of not normal things in there.

And so why do we not expect? there to be weird stuff and stuff out of the ordinary in our world today. That type of thinking just does not make sense to me. How people can be okay with, okay, yeah, just really behemoth in the Old Testament and just different things like that. And then today we don't have that anymore? I don't think so. I think it's not crazy to think that there could be things like Bigfoot

or you could talk about other cryptids involved with that as well. And now there's different ways to look into that. On the religious side, there's people that think maybe they're demons, maybe they are giants or Nephilim, or there's so many different ways to think about what Bigfoot could be on the religious side. But do you have any thoughts about, is that anything you've ever thought of trying to figure out how that fits into your worldview? Yeah, no, I have. I have quite a bit of thought on that, and I'm pretty confident in my position on it. And that is that, what, 150 years ago, in the last 150 years, guerrillas, guerrilla would be, that wasn't, it was believed not to exist 150 years ago. 150 years ago, you had talked about gorillas and the giant squid, you would have been talking fairy cails and monsters that weren't real.

and yet they've both proven out to be real. And when I think about Bigfoot, all right, so the likelihood of a Sasquatch being real, living in the world, if I look at it just intellectually, what's probably pretty low probability that it could be. But if one shows up, then, wow, God created this creature that could hide so giant, so big, so powerful, that could hide from us, seemingly in our backyards, just out in the mountains and out in the trees and the forest, he made a spectacular creature here. Why would I be anything but excited about what he did? And people talk about the possibility of Bigfoot being like a Nephilim or a giant from old. First off, Nephilim is a very controversial subject to all the religions, and it has been for hundreds of years. Somebody wants to hypothesize that Sasquatch

could be Nephlin. I'm okay with that. It's not, it's a non, from a Christian perspective, it's a non-salvation issue. In other words, if you believe or you don't believe it, you're going to heaven either way. One's one belief or the other is not going to keep your from heaven. Okay, fine, believe that. I tend to not go that route just because I don't, because it is such a controversial subject in Nephlam and I don't see scripture that really I sometimes I think scripture used like when they were talking about when they were about to cross the Jordan for the first time into the promised land they came back and they were talking about the giants and the Nephlam I think that was more of a metaphorical statement about the size of these people but you know what if

we had to ran in Shaquille O'Neal back then we would thought we ran into a giant and giants were there even under David's time when Goliath and his four brothers, obviously very large, very large people. But we have very large people today. So do I think they're definitely? I don't think it fits, I don't think it fits biblically, but again, I definitely would not, whenever we want to divide over that or call somebody anything other than that's fine. That's okay belief. Now, could they be the giants of old from the Old Testament and such?

I doubt it. I'm more inclined to believe that they're... I don't know. That's, I don't know. But I say I don't have to fit it into a Christian worldview. All I have to do is look at it from the perspective. Does the Bible exclude or specifically include the possibility in its silent on the subject as far as I can tell? So I don't...

The Bible doesn't... It's not a scientific book. It's not meant to be scientific. If you go back to the whole debate about, I know we're getting off track, but I think it creates a worldview perspective about Christianity and Sasquatch. But the whole debate about younger, you know, olders. I don't think the early prior to the Israelites, from the time of Adam and Eve, whether you believe it's metaphorical Adam and Eve or literal, so I don't want to get into that debate. But from then on, by word of mouth, by family talking, they passed down through the time. the generations up until Moses came along and wrote it down the tales of the early life on earth

in the garden and the creation. Do you think that the Israelites had any reason to understand what 13.7 billion years was? They counted maybe 150 sheep at a time. They were, they could have not have comprehended 13.7 billion. So God is not going to then incorporate. into their theology, the idea that the universe is 13.7 billion years old. Younger, old earth, we can debate that all we want, but it's not a scientific journal. It's not meant to be. It's a spiritual book that takes the life of events in people's lives and teaches spiritual and moral lessons for us to see.

And it's inspired by God, I believe that 100%. No doubt, it's God, if God could create the heavens and the earth and the universe, he could definitely preserve his word from the time that Moses began to write it until all the other prophets. It would be a simple matter for the creator of the universe to maintain his word through history. So I don't have to doubt. Yeah, I don't have to doubt it's legitimacy. But one of the things I left out, and maybe you have some more questions than what we're just talking about, but I just want to throw it out to refer to forget, since that first encounter where I, that bear, Sasquatch, deer elk, whatever that thing was that did not fit in any,

my pictures of what animals should look like. That has such an impact on me emotionally that to this day, whenever I have a dream about hunting and I bag an animal, that creature, when I get was I begin to walk up towards it, it begins to morph and change into a human. It was very upsetting for me. I think that maybe expresses how upsetting it was for me that I had pointed my rifle That's something that maybe was a person, and now it was a Sasquatch.

I've come to believe now that maybe that's what I was seen because it was very upsetting for me. And I don't think that was a, I don't think that's a spiritual event. I don't think the softwatch caused those dreams. I think it was the emotion and how dreadful it was that I had pointed in my rifle at what could have been a human. So, yeah, even today, when I have dreams about hunting, they always morph into a human when I get there wearing antlers or just slowly just change. It's very unnerving, unnerving dreams. That is really interesting. And that's happened for years then.

Oh, yeah, it's happened for, yeah, 25, 30 years. I have these dreams, yeah. Talking about the canyon sighting that you had, so you went over to the other side, you're seeing that the brush was really high. So were you able to estimate then how tall, whatever that was, would have had to been in order for you to see it?

That brush from where it could have walked, I could never, there was only a few places where I could look through the brush clearly and see where I had been sitting across it. And I'm six foot. So that means most of the, there's only two or three spots where the brush was low enough for me to see. And a lot of it was, you know, 70 feet tall. So I would have to estimate that it was over six foot easy. could have been seven. It's really hard to tell, but it had to be at least that tall. Otherwise, I wouldn't have seen it at all. Absolutely. I wouldn't have seen it at all. So this, I believe you said it was Hells Canyon. Is this on the

border? Yeah. Yeah. It's on the border of Idaho and Washington. Okay. Yeah. And have you looked to see if anyone else has had experiences similar to that in that area or heard any other things? Very little. There's very little. And remind me and everything, I want to go back to that my dad's hunting. I'm going to touch on this topic here you were talking about.

Very little. And as I use this term loosely research. To say that I've researched would be an insult to true scientists, to researchers. But having looked at like all the sites I could find on Bigfoot sightings and stuff, most of the sightings tend to be north of the McCall, that Loon Lake area,

north of that, and then of course west over into Washington, and then when you get over into Oregon, they tend to be more on the western edge of Oregon. If you're not familiar with the

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Even when you're in the trees, it's much drier than when you get up into northern Idaho. And of course, if you go off to the coast and to California, they're off that Pacific side of the continent where you're getting a lot more moisture in those California redwoods. A lot more moisture there. A ton of moisture on the Oregon coast leading up until you get over towards Baker and then it starts to get dry. And you'll see that also in Washington. and just kind of loops around the cold, the dampness kind of loops around up north into northern Idaho. I've heard it said that Sasquatch Red scene and videos tend to get where there's bear, there could be Sasquatch. I think honestly, I think if I look at the patterns, I kind of see more that they want more moisture.

They want moisture areas. And so where I'm at is dry. It's a lot of high mountain desert, a lot of sagebrush, and then you just touch into the trees. And so a lot of what I saw, my experiences were at the edges of the trees about the sagebrush, that kind of transition area with the animal's hang. So I think the reason we don't see a lot of activity in this particular area is because it's more of a pass-through area. They may come through. Maybe you got a young male looking for a new location to hang out because he's overpopulated,

these adventuring, but I don't think it's like an area they would hang out in. I think they want someplace a little more moist. And I think down this stretch along this lower half of Idaho, it's a little dry, and I think they would want to, again, do I know this? I have speculation, totally speculation. But that's where I'm thinking the activity is going to be in more moist areas. Yeah, absolutely. If you look, I've tried to come up with, formula is like, okay, how do I figure out what are the most squatchy areas in the U.S.? And there was this great, actually there's a great article about it on the NAWAC site or a WoodApe site where they talk about how most sightings happen when I believe it's over, it's a certain amount of annual rainfall. And it might be 36 around there.

I'd have to look it up again. But that is an interest. So if you take that into consideration, yeah, the wetter place is going to be. I think you have more of a chance for sure. But the only thing I was able to find about Hells Canyon is I did a little research too is a gentleman who talks about he's got into Bigfoot. His name's Owaheed Jack. He's got a cool website. He was writing ATV up Lynn Saddle around Hells Canyon in Idaho.

and had a all of a sudden got a feeling like do not go any further like one of those where it's you go further you're going to have issues so they turned around actually they stopped the ATV turned it around then they tried just hiking up a little bit they couldn't do that either and it felt like there's almost like some kind of physical wall preventing them from going any further into it so a weird thing that happened in the same area so Yeah, that would be west of where I had most of my experiences. But yeah, I know where Lynn Saddle is up above the snake, one of the tributary type canyons that run down to the snake that goes through Hills Canyon. Yeah, beautiful country, thick, heavy country.

But yeah, I found that interesting. You said where the rainfall is 36 inches because, yeah, that's when you get a little north in Idaho and also, like I said, over towards the coast more. And I think you get back to the Tennessee areas and the Virginias and all that, they get more rainfall there than we do here. So I think that's why Missouri, I think that's why maybe we don't see as many here because it's just a little too dry. Now they'll go through here, but I think they want something a little more moist. I think they want a little more rainfall. Absolutely. When your dad showed you that picture, did he mention at all, like where the pitcher was taken or was that not a detail that came up?

No, that's what I wanted to go back to you. I said a couple of years. I want to go back to that. So that was west of Pagosha Springs between Pagosha Springs and Durango. In Colorado. Yes. And I think that outside of Durango was where they had video. I think last year before it came out, there were people on a train and out in the middle

off the side of the mountain there they saw what looks like a Sasquatch walking along there too yeah so yeah with videos and he that was back it was late 60s when he took that

it was totally okay so I would say was that a fake one it was so the community really dug into that one and they found the exact costume from if you like look at it really close like some dude found the exact I can't remember who the guy was,

but he found the exact costume on Amazon. I was like, oh, man, that's too bad. I hate it when that happens. But yeah, yeah, that one was, unfortunately. Not a PG film. Yeah. Yeah, that's too bad. I can see people have fun doing that sort of thing,

making people out, get the whole train excited. They could see the stealth on YouTube, run across the hills. But anyway, that's the area, where he took that photo. Like I said, he never brought that photo out again. again. Never talked about it again. In all the years, I hunted with him, he never mentioned Bigfoot again. It just was not, it was just not a subject we ever talked about. And I don't know, I don't know why. But like I said, I've never been, I've never been afraid in the mountains, even after, because I've been out there over 40 years now, 50, 50 years. And I figured if it was dangerous, that I probably already had a dangerous encounter. So I'm thinking that it's safe. I'm thinking it's safe.

If they're there, they're okay with me being there. But I'll tell you one thing, you hear about guys that want to go shoot one. I could never do it. I could never do it. It would be an impossibility for me. That first encounter across the cane when I put my scope on that and now I think back on it. I don't know. What if they are more than just an animal?

I don't, I would not want to be, I would rather. know they exist, see it, and watch it walk away, then be the guy that harm born. I couldn't do it. That's the thing, right? Because I, man, I can't imagine being in that situation. And then you look into, I don't know if you've seen the documentary that Small Time Monsters put out about Justin Smeha,

the individual that allegedly shot a Bigfoot. in this year, Nevada's about around the 2010. So just long enough so that people are forgetting it. And it really affected this guy emotionally. It's, they're still,

they're interviewing him, and it's like, you can tell that he's, he's right back there at it. And it's a very intense documentary. If you haven't checked that out, I would recommend you do so. It's well done.

But yeah, whoever, any individual that is in that situation, they're going to, have to really deal with a lot of fallout, I think. I think so. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

Also, I would say there's probably a few listeners after the whole Pagosa Springs. So just because that one incident happened doesn't mean there couldn't be big foot around Pagosa Springs. I think I had a talk to an individual where they actually had seen one, I believe this, hit by a car in Pagosa Springs. of Springs. This is about a year ago. I do a call-in show in the gentleman called in. So I know there is activity in that area over the years, but it's been an extremely interesting conversation. Would you ever get to the point, or I guess I'll ask it this way, have you ever gone on like an actual expedition or is it a thing where you're out there hunting, fishing, and it's just in the back of your mind and you're ready for if something happens you'll know what you're looking at yeah no

that's where i'm at i've never gone out with a purpose to hunt or find one and call myself that that and really the very idea that's only came up in the last year so i had to say when i was out hunting this year first off do they have telepathy can they talk mind speak which it's formed i don't know i don't know of any other creature on earth that does that so i'm skeptical but that's that's why that's it's a lot of it's okay, I'm still skeptical about the very existence of them, but here I am talking with you. One would have to actually talk to me in my mind before I believe it. But I don't want to discount other people's experiences, though. That's not my point either. That's one of the, I can't, I don't want to be that kind of person either to discount someone's other experiences.

But I, as I was walking around the woods this year on my hunt, I pray, talk to God. It's more like a talk. When I pray, I say it's more of a conversation that I have on my side with God and stuff. And I'm talking to say, if there's a big foot out there, they're real and they really have telepathy, I would like to experience that. But I don't want to step over any spiritual lines or anything like that. And so did I hear anything back? No, I didn't. I did not. But I did see something that was unclear, again, what that was. Something moved to the brush probably only about 40, 50 yards from me, very swiftly, very smooth, quick, and it was gone. Never heard it. Never. wrong color again to be an elk or a deer couldn't have been a bear it was right after a four-wheeler

had gone by a couple guys coming through they were you know whenever i hear somebody coming and i'm on a trail i step off again i don't want to i don't want them to know i'm there that's just where i am i like to be hidden so i step off i'm hiding behind brush and then i keep going i have to go back and here they come back the other way to get those guys and so i'm looking back as they dry past and I was standing in the brush and when they went around this corner, something just moved right out of that corner where they had been right, 40, 50 yards for me. And I'm thinking, that doesn't even make sense. How did whatever it was get there without me hearing it?

Again, they drove right past it, didn't see it. I didn't, I'm looking for antlers, I'm looking for a head, I'm looking for anything that would be looking for color, nothing. And it was gone in about two seconds, whatever it was. But again, now I'm beginning to see a softwatch everywhere. So is that a real experience or is it just my mind playing tricks on me? Yeah, it's hard to tell. No, I have never been out with the purpose of finding one, but I'm aware now and I look around.

It would be really great. I would be really great. I'm not, a lot of people have very frightening experiences, but I think part of that is I was thinking about that too. Let me put it this way. I'm not scared. I'm not scared of snakes. I'm not scared of spiders. I'm not scared of bear.

but there's a proximity thing. When that spider crawls across my eyelid, I'm freaked out. When a snake was crawling up in my pants leg, I'm screaming like a girl. Am I afraid of them? No. Now I see one, I'm not afraid of one. And if I see a softwatch across the canyon, am I afraid of it? No.

But if it taps me on the shoulder and I turn around and see a 10-foot giant stand behind me, maybe I'll scream like a girl. It's proximity. And so when I go out there, I don't have any. fear but then again if one jumps out behind a bush who knows what will happen to me and so i think people to go out there and not expected anything and come into a close contact with one they're frightened and i think it impacts them the rest of life even though i don't think they need to be like i said there's not we don't have soft-swatch killing people all over the place so i don't think they're

out there to cause us harm again i'm not an expert i'm just speculating based on anecdotal evidence so absolutely i think yeah i agree with it if there were there's things like that happening would be hearing more about it because there would there there would be there would be people to tell the story i think that might happen when people are out there solo sometimes unfortunately and then the story is just never told because there was only one person present and they were the victim or whatever but i don't think it's a widespread thing for sure but the last thing that the last thing that you had mentioned where you saw something for a few seconds. Was that also in the Hells Canyon area?

No, that was closer towards, it was further east from there. Yeah. Yeah, a little different location. I don't want to get too specific because. Yeah, no problem. Well, and it's not like, too, like I said earlier, I don't think that this is a place where they hang out. I think if they are here, they're passing through,

maybe spend a few days. I don't think it's someplace that they're going to put down roots like they would anywhere else. So I don't think it'd be, as much time as I spent up in the mountains in this area, you just think they would probably be just passing through. I don't think it would be anybody good to know exactly where. I went back to every year for 15, 20 years and never saw one. Again, none of these experiences have ever frightened me off. So, yeah, I don't think I wouldn't put an expedition together to go to some of the expanse.

Just not enough. I don't see enough evidence. That's why I think they're transatlantic. Tony. Just move through. Gotcha. Makes sense. Jeffrey, I appreciate you coming on the show and sharing what you have experienced over the years and also your viewpoint as a pastor. And I feel that might help a few listeners that might have had experiences, but that are

also religious and don't want to come forward because of that. And just to let them know that, hey, it's okay to be able to share what happened. and it doesn't have to go against what you hold with your beliefs. Yeah. So it was a pleasure. Great talking with you. And glad I could hopefully provide some good information for your listeners, some entertainment, if nothing else. Fantastic.

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