Bigfoot Society - I Heard the Whoops From Inside My Tent: Rich Turgeon

Episode Date: February 3, 2023

Bio:A screenwriter, illustrator, musician, and creative director, Richard Turgeon became interested in Bigfoot as a kid in the '70s, spending his childhood exploring the woods in his hometown of Douglassville, PA. Now as a researcher living in California, he's interviewed several of the top names in the field on his YouTube channel, has visited a few well known locations, and has even had his own Sasquatch experience. You'll find his music and Bigfoot blog posts at www.richardturgeon.com, and his Bigfoot themed apparel at www.creatureportal.com.To see the video version of the interview support the podcast here:https://www.patreon.com/posts/bigfoot-society-77878014?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_creator&utm_content=join_linkResources:https://www.richardturgeon.com/https://richardturgeon.bandcamp.com/https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6Ok-SX61au3VUewZoyNQiwMarble Mountain Bigfoot sighting video that we discuss in detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD8XSQbayXswww.creatureportal.comNote: the picnic table was placed by Tate Hieronymus and Jamie Wayne from the Bluff Creek Project. _______Join the only Facebook group for Van Meter Visitor fans - “Van Meter Visitor Believers” - See you there!https://www.facebook.com/groups/vanmetervisitorbelievers/?ref=shareFOR MORE INFO ON THE VAN METER VISITOR FESTIVAL:https://www.facebook.com/vanmetervisitorfestival/_______Join us over on Patreon! Get access to extra audio content, exclusive merch like a membership card and stickers, watch me interview guests weekly live on video, a Patron-only Discord and more.https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyPick up a Bigfoot Society shirt to rep the podcast!https://www.etsy.com/shop/BigfootSocietyTune in for new episodes of Bigfoot Society!https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7QFor full links go to:www.bigfootsocietypodcast.com

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And now, on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. we've got the privilege of having Mr. Rich Turgeon on today. Rich is one of those people you may not have heard of, or maybe you have. Rich, I'm going to spend a few minutes just kind of sharing how I ran into you on the internet. I believe I was on YouTube and I was looking for something Michael Freeman related. And your interview with Michael Freeman, of course, the son of Paul Freeman, came up and I was like,

whoa, who's this dude? And I was watching it. And you don't have a lot of interviews out there, but all your interviews are solid. And they're, you know, great interviews.

You got Michael Freeman. You've got Russ Accord. Ron Moorhead as well. Correct. He's on there. Good stuff. So I started looking a little bit more into you. And actually,

you know, I'm in a group of some big footers, you know, that group text. And we were like, who is this dude? We're trying to figure out. who's this rich guy and everything we were seeing was good stuff and I was like oh man he's like a

creative I got to talk to this guy so rich you're a creative guy that's in the big foot and you're putting out a lot of really cool stuff that not maybe a ton of people know about yet and I want to shine the light on what you're doing is there anything else that the audience needs to know about you before we get chatting no I appreciate that and you know part of part of your story about how you kind of stumbled upon me has been a really, just part of kind of this journey of being, becoming more into the community, I guess. I've been in a paranormal stuff in Bigfoot my whole life and, you know, from childhood. And then it goes in phases as an adult and it never goes away. But it's only until, you know, that Freeman video went up.

up, which got views beyond my wildest dreams. And I can talk a little bit about how that came about. But, you know, part of it is just, wow, this is like talking to people that I've been following for a long time or, you know, newer folks in the community. So it's been a real privilege that people have even said yes to me wanting to talk to them. I'd like to do more of those interviews. But anyway, aside from my Bigfoot interview series on my YouTube channel, which is most relevant to this topic. Yes, I'm a musician. Like you said, all my stuff is online. What else can I say?

I'm a screenwriter. I had a screenplay optioned about a year and a half ago. We're still trying to get that set up. I'm actually currently working slowly on a Bigfoot themed screenplay, a new one. I'm a creative director by, that's my day job, and I work at a global digital advertising agency. I've been doing that for over 20 years. So that's been my career after my early 20s where it was all, and mid-20s, it was all about music doing that all the time. I'm also an illustrator. And all of these things are kind of connected in a weird way.

They play into my... Bigfoot interest in, I guess, like, involvement in the community so far. So it's all tied together. Just a guy, creative guy and creative professional. I'm a dad of two kids. I live in Marin County, California. And, yeah, just super humbled to be talking to you and appreciate the conversation that we're about to have. Oh, thank you.

Thank you. Yeah, I was glad that you agreed to come on. So I always like, we'll start at the beginning. I'm curious, what is it that, you know, most people are introduced to Bigfoot maybe as a younger kid through something. What was it that sparked your interest in that cryptid? That's a great question. I'm a child of the 70s.

So it was probably like a blip here, blip there. but, you know, I would say the very first memory I have of anything Bigfoot was my dad took me to a matinee. And it was like it was that movie Sasquatch, you know, with the silhouette. He's like silhouetted against the woods and all that. And that was the Abe Canyon encounter was a big part of that movie. And it made, you know, it was like a monster movie for kids. and that just sparked this kind of lifelong fascination with it. I checked out the same books in the library over and over again about the topic.

There were probably like six to eight of them. You know, there are these pioneering researchers like John Green, I think. But it was also as a kid more interested in the picture books and kind of the eyewitness accounts because they were so frightening and sort of like, wow, like I spent all my time in the woods. Like, I wonder if this thing is out there. it just sparks your childhood imagination, and I've always loved nature and wildlife. But I would say that movie might have been one of the first kind of, you know, things that really sparked interest along with like, then it was like the $6 million man. Right, yeah, the big foot in there.

Exactly. Classic. But even as a kid, I wanted to know more. You know, I wasn't just about, oh, I'm entertained by this monster thing. Like, what is this? Oh, wow. It's real. And it went on to, you know, reading actual books about the subject as early as, I'd say, like, nine, ten years old, you know.

That is, remind me, did you, did you grow up then on the West Coast as well? No, I'm actually, I moved here about close to 20 years ago now. I'm from the East Coast originally in the Philadelphia area. And even now we're outside of that. Yeah, very, I grew up in a very rural town, Douglasville. There's, Monocacy Hill was right across the street from us literally. And that was kind of my, my playground. But a lot of my childhood friends had acres of, a few had acres of property.

And we would just get lost exploring the creeks and in the woods for the day, you know, the entire day, till sundown. So that was, that was like a really big part of my childhood. That and getting poison ivy is just spending so much. Exactly. That's funny. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, Pennsylvania is such a, it's just a wild place. There's a lot of Bigfoot action in there as well as you probably are aware. So was it a thing, you know, you know, myself, my story, and I've heard this story repeated where it's like you're into Bigfoot as a little kid, you kind of during high school, you're like, eh, whatevs? And then something snaps and you remember you're a weird person and you come back to it. Is it kind of like that? Or how did that go about? That is so well said.

I mean, you're probably the first person I've ever talked to, believe it or not, that put it that way. Because it really is that way. It's this weird subconscious itch or something. And that's exactly what's happened to me since childhood where it's like high school. It's just like, I don't know how much I thought about it, not too much. But then on and off, you know, in college, I visited Western Pennsylvania, the Chestnut Ridge, and Stan Gordon has documented all of that wave of sightings in silent invasion. So I actually explored, that was my first squawching trip.

I took a friend who was not necessarily a believer, but also into the outdoors. And I'm trying to think of kind of, you know, that I did that in my early, 20s or my mid-20s. Actually, no, that trip would have been when I was about 30. And then a few years before that, I'm trying to go, I'm trying to connect all these like ups and downs. A few years before that when I was about 26, I wrote the first, I wrote this Bigfoot theme screenplay that I'm actually like revising now.

And I got super academic about it again, all over again, as. an adult. That was like a rediscovery for me because I was like all this time has passed, there's more books out now. People like Grover Krantz and I'm forgetting somebody else that, I don't think it was Jeffrey Meldron, but you know, just like some other experts in academia were stepping forward and writing books about this, which I don't remember happening as a child. And drew this little library of Bigfoot books. And then it was like, I moved to California. And it's just really part of the culture out here, especially the farther you go north. And it just, it reignited this interest in me. And I do want to mention a really big bump in that interest

was there's a Facebook page called Facebook Finding Bigfoot. And my friend Tom, who was my partner in crime on all my past 10 years of doing an annual field expedition or I try. We're not like what I would call serious researchers on the field, but it's like we'll go to hotspots. We'll go to famous locations. But he turned me onto this site, and I was visiting him in Los Angeles, and he was showing me these videos that this Facebook page would post. I don't know if you remember that Facebook page or you're familiar, but like I've actually not familiar with it.

So they posted a series of really, I thought were excellent videos. this was probably 10 years ago that would break down footage, you know, like the Freeman footage, Patterson Gimlin footage, Marvel Mountains footage, and break down like consistencies in the anatomy in the morphology, in the footprints, in behaviors. So they would break down certain eyewitness counts.

And it was really like before YouTube caught fire and before anybody was really aggregating or analyzing this sort of stuff the internet and i was i was my mind was blown because i was like god they're right like they're really put you know they're really putting connecting the dots in a way that nobody i had seen up into that time had been doing and i thought their videos were great i thought i thought they were very credible i thought the way that they analyzed things was was awesome unfortunately they were apparently hoaxed by rick dyer um when he had that dummy making the rounds

And they publicly bought into Rick's dummy and story. And I think they were so ashamed that they shut down the page. Oh, wow. Okay. And they went into hiding. And they had never revealed, to my knowledge, they were real identities. And they had never resurfaced that page or all of that work that they had done. And I thought it was a shame because they were doing some really great work and turning new, you know, people onto the research probably that normally wouldn't have been exposed to it.

They also self-published a book about their very flesh and blood camp, as we call it, but they also published a book about Bigfoot Evolution and how it was like the missing link from a very Darwinian perspective. And I remember at the time not totally buying into that and thinking, but it's still cool that they're putting out a book about this and theorizing. So I don't know what became of them, but that was a very big bump and rekindling my interest in this topic. making it that interest pretty consistently, that fire's been kind of alive.

I mean, I'm not on this 24-7, but like since then I would say that, and my, you know, like I said, when you have a friend, I think, to take trips with and talk about this stuff with, it's like almost like having a support group. I'm sure you're familiar with that concept. Oh, definitely. I agree 100%. It sounds like, do you think someday we might get to see. more of this screenplay that you're trying to revitalize?

Yeah, absolutely. It will get done. Oh, wow. It's a matter of, I think I need to be more focused and consistent on it because, like, I have two kids. I've got a day job and while I'm able to, you know, screenplay takes about eight months, I think, for me. And if I were working on it full time, it would be closer to, you know,

maybe two or three, which is a standard film industry deadline. I'm writing speculatively, meaning I'm not on assignment. I'm writing it for myself with the hopes of getting a film set up. That's what we're trying to do with this other non-Bigfoot related script, one of seven that I've written over time. But yeah, I would love to share it. And it's one of those things where it's like, you know what, if it, I might even share it when I'm done writing it with the community,

just to kind of crowdsource feedback, get people's opinions. and entertain them before it becomes a 40, 50 million dollar movie, knock on wood. That's like playing the lottery. Right. You know, that's always the hope, right? Oh, that's cool. Well, I wish the best for you with that. And man, that would be cool.

Who knows in the future it would be something big and people can come back to this, you know, your interviews and watch this interview. And that would be kind of cool. You mentioned you have a pretty good what's in your Bigfoot book collection. Hey, it's Sarah Spain. As a former college athlete, there were so many moments where I second-guess myself. It's natural when you're under pressure. And when I had those moments of self-doubt, I found that the smallest thing can steady you,

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I know some people have much more extensive libraries dedicated to this topic. And it's certainly what I have in terms of physical copies right now, I don't, it wouldn't be a fraction of what I've read in a lifetime. I've probably read 10, I don't know, maybe tens of thousands of eyewitness accounts since I was a kid. kid. I have books from David Polite's, his missing 411 and Hupa, area research, tribal Bigfoot, et cetera. I thought that was some really interesting, great work. I recently finished Monsterland, a digital copy of that by Ronnie LeBlanc of Expedition Bigfoot. I've read Michael Freeman's book, which I thought was excellent as well, a very different kind of experience

in book. There's multimedia in it. And, you know, he's, He talks about that in my interview with him on YouTube. I'm just going off recent history. I'm taking a peek back here to see what else I have. San Gordon's book, Silent Indation about the Western PA, things that have the wave of UFO sightings and Bigfoot sightings in the 70s. Lauren Coleman's book. I could go on.

That's awesome. There's a number of digital and then print. Oh, yeah, exactly. I just picked up Know the Sasquatch by Chris Murphy on Kindle, just because, you know, you can search it quickly. But, man, everyone needs a copy of that book. My goodness, I don't know if you've ever read it. It is so good. I'm going to write that down.

Know the Sasquatch. Remember those. I'm always open to reading good ones about those. Those DK eyewitness books from when we were younger and they had all the pictures and stuff. And it's imagined that. for Bigfoot and like all the Bigfoot history. And it's like Bigfoot history from way back, you got the Native American stuff all the way up to the Snell Grove Lake incident from Monster. Wow.

It's got all the history in there. You got to check it out. It's so good. And what was the D.K. book series from our childhoods? Oh, just an example I was trying to use. Just imagine a book that's really like has a lot of pictures and is super detailed. and that's what know the Sasquatches. Oh, it's super cool.

That sounds great. Good, good stuff, good stuff. And you're in a perfect area out. I mean, from what I've heard, I've talked to a few guys in there, like, yeah, you go to estate sales out here, yard sales. You find all sorts of Bigfoot books, and you can, this one dude I talk to who was like, I've got like four copies of Patterson's book from estate sales. Like, you, lucky sell a gun. That's funny.

But anyways. You have a really interesting blog that I was able to read through. And it sounds like you may even have more adventures. You call out two of them in the blog. Well, let's talk about one of them first. Let's talk about you've actually been to Bluff Creek. Yes. Tell me about, you know, that's not a place I've been able to go to yet.

It's kind of, you know, one of the mecca sites for big footers, but it's extremely hard to get there unless you have some sort of connection or information source. So I'd be really curious about how that journey went for you. Yeah, it was a journey, literally and figuratively. And we didn't get there until our third attempt, actually. Wow. And our second trip out there, the first trip, first of all, Hoopah is. Very remote. It's a very, very small town. That's what would be, I guess, the nearest town to that site. Then you have to travel at least, I'm going off memory. I think what I'm saying is accurate. I think you have to travel like 20 or 30 minutes to Orleans, which isn't, I don't even know. It's a town on the map, but it's really like there's a couple of buildings there. I'm sure there's other residents, you know, tucked in the woods or whatever. But like you're really out there. And Hupa, to my understanding, is a lot of Indian, Native American reservation land.

And it's not the kind of place that you can just kind of wander off. We were warned by the one hotel that's there. You know, the proprietor at the time was like, don't just like kind of wander off around here because of the pot growers. And some of it is off limits and all this other stuff. So our destination for the for the Bluff Creek Patterson Gimlin site was Six Rivers National Forest. I gave you that sort of like that was our base where where we stayed. You know, we didn't plan on overnights. We don't do overnights.

I've done them before, but our focus is kind of like long day excursions. And our first trip out there, you know, we were, I think we were struck by like how really far out there you are all the way in Northern California. And it's just not, it's not your typical trailhead kind of experience, trail markers, all that stuff. So we got directions. I think it was online from some, you know,

Bigfoot organization at the time. And we end up driving, it's like 30 miles up a mountain to just to get to the logging roads. We didn't see a soul. It's all mountain driving. We saw a bear cub just kind of walks in front of the car. We didn't tell anybody. And this is when I wasn't really experienced.

I was a very experienced hiker, but not as experienced. It's sort of like, hey, you got to prepare well because it's nature against you. And not to be dramatic, but you want to, you know what? You want to be prepared. We didn't even tell anybody where we were going that day. And so as we're losing some light, because it's getting later in the day, you know, I'm realizing how far out we really are. We're not seeing any car or cars.

I said to my friend, I don't know if this is such a great idea. And he is not as experienced as a hiker as a hiker as I am. And I think he was kind of taking it lightly. And I was like, we should turn around and do this right, right? So the next day, we got as far as logging road, and, you know, we're in a sob convertible, right? And it's not the car for this. No, it's not.

I don't know what kind of elevation we're up there, but like you fall off the road or something goes weird with your car. It's like there's nothing that's going to stop you and your hundreds of feet up. So I'm not afraid of the remoteness. Really, it's more the what could go wrongs that I'm kind of calculating. even on day two. So we got about six miles away from, based on logging road markers, we got about six miles away from the site.

But we had to call it again because we were like, can we cover 12 miles plus it, you know, and how dark is it going to be by that point? I mean, we set out early. So that was like we didn't make it to the site, really, in our first foray out there. It was only my blog post talks about when we did make it out there. But by then I knew enough and we had done more of these kinds of trips.

We rented a Jeep Wrangler. I had a spare tank of gas. I had enough water and food for three days and not like, oh, a giant core. I'm talking about just like enough trail mix that if somebody hurts their ankle or something and one of us needs to walk back or something goes wrong with the car. you know, one of us needs to walk back. So I know it sounds kind of ridiculous and maybe over prepared because I've seen like old people go to this film site.

But again, it's just about it's all it's about enjoying the experience. Like the safety is about enjoying it and kind of making sure that, you know, something like that doesn't happen. Like we had a spare tire. Things like that. You just want to have these basic survival things in place. Then you can enjoy it, right? And even on that trip, we had to park our Jeep instead of six miles this time.

I think it was close to a mile and a half, two miles. But there was a log across the overgrown trail that there's no way we were going to lift it. It was an entire tree. I mean, I don't know how many men that would have taken to actually lift it that we had to disemble. bark from the car at that point and make our way in. And it's actually a beautiful, beautiful area. It's a beautiful spot. The water is this weird blue color that you don't see in creeks very often.

But it's just, it was a magical spot. And it really still does feel. It's certainly remote enough where you're just kind of like, hey, who knows. Anything could happen. Who am I to, you know, when we take these trips, it's not like, we're hoping to see Saskwatch this time. Of course we do. But we take it thinking like, hey, that could happen, but we get an awesome hike out of it and we can check, you know, check it off that we've visited this site, that kind of thing. So it was super exciting and on the bucket list and an amazing

experience. So you get to, you know, the place where you had to park the Jeep. Then, So you actually found the filming spot. You had directions to get to the actual filming spot. What was it like when you got to that spot? And you're like, wow, you can start to see things. You're starting to pick things out that you see in the footage. So the instructions we got from some correspondence with a Bigfoot organization. I think it was the Bluff Creek Project or something.

I prefer the place to remain a bit unspoiled and kind of hard to get to because that lends to the experience. Maybe that sounds a little selfish. And there's like, you know, somebody put like a big foot sticker on one of the logging road markers. And, you know, this organization has a logbook down in the creek for people to sign, which I didn't find. Apparently, it was a few feet away from it. But yeah, that's how we, that's how I found it.

It did take some research and correspondence. It's not, it's not an easy place to get to. And should probably stay that way. It is very, like I said, if you're not, if you don't know what you're doing, I really wouldn't advise people to just kind of like hop in their DW bug or whatever and try to make a, go of it. It's really something that's like it takes preparation and you should know what you're doing to go in the roads in the in the in the woods that far, let alone, you know, driving mountain roads like logging roads that are that high up and stuff. It's it's not a risk-free endeavor,

I would say. I would say it's an extremely risky endeavor. And I've talked to a lot of different people that have been there. In the stories I've heard of people, popping tires, messing up axles. There's a story of Daniel Perez, how his trailer, he's trying to drag a trailer down there and the trailer goes off the side of the road, I believe, may have even caught on fire. You have to listen to his interview on Bigfoot and Beyond. It's an extremely crazy story. You got to check that out. But it is not something to take lightly going to the Patterson Gimmon film site. You know, something I've heard as well is sometimes people that are there, they have just like weird observations or it's just some, did you notice, was there anything

weird going on there or I've heard stories, but I don't know if. Well, you know, people say, oh, this feels squatchy like on finding big foot or this, this or that feels squatchy. To be honest with you, I, I, I, I think it's a very, it is extremely remote. Like I said, you just can't hear a pin drop. There's no planes even that seem to cross over the area. That's a great question because there is a vibe to it, especially that site, because the creek is very active. It's not a dry creek.

And just like between the water and the life around it and the density of the woods, you can't really, every woods is different. And these woods in my experience or in the way I experienced that are very dense, you can't kind of see a tree line from that creek. It's so thick that it's like you can see so far

through the trees, but after 20, 50 feet, you know, you don't know like kind of I can't see up, I can't see a cross. I remember calling back to my friend as we're kind of winding our way, bushwhacking a little bit to find the logbook and just kind of like

it doesn't it's not one of those again a kind of typical hiking park type of experience. Now there's some anyway getting back to the squatchy aspect of it. Hey it's Sarah Spain

as a former college athlete there were so many moments where I second guess myself. It's natural when you're under pressure. And when I had those moments of self-doubt, I found that the smallest thing can steady you, like a smile. Not because it's easy, but because it reminds you. You belong here. You've put in the work. You can handle this.

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You got to get that down there, dude. 40 to 50 miles from like a cell phone tower and, you know, a super tiny town to get here. But there's a picnic table here. Okay. That's odd. I would love to know who put it there. And it's in this nice clearing. It's in this nice clearing.

It's not a man-made clearing. It's almost like this little mini meadow. And I guess it's to chill out while you're visiting the spot. I don't know. The other quirky things, one of the, weirdest thing I've ever seen in the woods happen on the way there on one of the logging roads. This is on our first trip. I have video of this.

I'd have to dig it up, but there's a fern like plant that is just like shaking like this. And there's no wind. And it was, we're both looking at it and it wouldn't stop. There's no, there's leaves all around us. Woods all around us. We're on a mountain road. I don't know. I forget the elevation of six rivers when you're,

up there. I want to say anywhere, I don't know, four to seven thousand foot elevation, but there's this plant just shaking back and forth. Now, I'm a skeptic first. Okay. Always a big food believer, but I'm a skeptic first. I'm very scientifically minded. And I'm like, this can't be wind. And is it a tremor in the earth that's just a rhythmic tremor that's making this plant literally, like my hand is doing? It's just back and forth, back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. There's no other leaves around us doing this. None.

On the trees, on the ground. That was super weird. I'll never forget it. And then the other, and it kept doing it when we walked away. It never stopped. Super bizarre. And I'm trying to think of some other quirks about the place,

but it does have like a weird vibe. I mean, it's just like it's an odd spot. It's just so far away from anything. I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff that I jotted down in my sort of travel diary or travel notes that stand out the picnic table definitely was strange. I have to say, I didn't see anything else that was sort of like squatchy or, you know, and would indicate any presence of anything weird. I don't even think we saw any wildlife on these trips, except for that bear cub I mentioned.

We didn't see any deer. We didn't see any bears. We didn't see any mountain lions. I don't even remember seeing a rabbit, honestly. That's another kind of weird thing about it. You just don't see, I didn't see on the three times I've been in that area. I haven't seen sort of like wildlife. life, you know, jaunting around the way I normally do in the woods. So I don't know if that's

highly unusual, but it is weird. So you've got, you've got video that you took from, from down on your journey there. Oh, man. That's cool. I took photos. I don't, I don't remember taking video because I don't know why. I didn't, I didn't think to. I probably should have taken videos when I was down there, but I think some of the stills that I took her on my blog post, yeah, I should have taken video and I didn't. I would like to go back to that spot just because it's fun on some level to try to get out there. And it really is a special place. My other observation, I think, from one of your earlier questions about my impression overall impression was, when you're looking at the Patterson Gimlin film, it looks like.

a very wide open space. Like this looks like a football field of space and Patty is across that football field or 50 yards, 100 yards away of space. When I was down there and I had walked quite a bit up and down the creek because I was like looking for the logbook and like the exact spot, which again, I was, I think I was there. The logbook was what I didn't find. Okay. But I didn't, there's, there is none of that feeling of, it feels very closed in and, uh,

meaning, meaning it's not this big open area that, you know, you see on the film. It's a, it's a pretty tight creek. And if you see aerial photos of that area, it looks like pretty tight as well, like, hey, there's the bank of the creek, but it's, it's, it's little to nothing. And it winds through very, very deep thick woods. And that's what I was walking through. In fact, I had a pair of river shoes, like surf shoes. And so just to get around up and down the area, like I had to be in the water. And my friend couldn't do that.

So he was kind of bushwhacking on the side, on the banks or whatever. But like, that's how I was getting up and down after the hike into the area. So I think there's probably something to, and there are people who are much, have gone into extremely deep dives on this, like the scale and oh, this tree was there. It's still there. I know why because I compared it digitally and all this other. I don't do. I'm not quite that down the rabbit hole on it.

But I would say that I did go to film school and, you know, being somebody who's into film and shot films and all that other stuff. I think the camera, I used to own a Super 8 camera as a kid. And I think it probably creates a bit of illusion in a sense of or an illusion around your depth of field and your sense of perspective. Meaning it looks, I think that I think, and Bob Gindlin would know the answer to this in Patterson, you know, Roger Patterson. But like, I think they are a lot closer to Patty than what we see on film. I think that it was like, holy crap, that, you know, that, that, that thing. is right across from this relatively not wide creek. You know, a lot of creeks are called creeks in California.

They're like, that's a river. That's huge. This was a creek. This is a creek. Now, in some spots, some Bluff Creek we've seen in other areas where it does open up and it gets bigger, but not that big, right? And it's dry. It's a dry creek bed it looks like in the Patterson-Gimlin film.

So my impression of this site is that I doubt when you see it, it's going to be like, yeah, it looks like it does not look like the Patterson Gimlin film. And it's not just because the woods change in the past have changed, you know, fairly radically in the last, what is it, 60 years or whatever it is, since that was shot, everything's overgrown. The landscape is a bit different. The creek is still there, right? But that did make an impression on me. Like, I thought it would be this big, wide open space like you see in that film. And it doesn't look that way. And I think, like I said, part of that is due to how the camera flattens things or deepens things, whatever you want to call it. It changes perspective a little bit. So when I hear about Bob Giblin, when I hear him talk about the experience or read about their,

experience or whatever, or even just like their estimates of how far away Patty was from them, I think that they had a much more sort of immediate visceral kind of, holy crap, like we kind of surprised this thing. And it surprised us. It's right there. Like, get your camera and he's running after it and all this other stuff. I think it happened so fast, but that they were closer than it looks to us. It's just, it's, you know, correct me from a long internet.

Yeah, and don't worry, they will. And they'll be correcting me as well, which I hope they do. Yeah, it's a great thing about the Bigfoot community is there's a lot of smart people and they will let you know. That's just fascinating talking. I love talking to people that have been to places like Bluff Creek. So you're going to, you know, it sounds like you're going different places every year. When you're going to look for Bigfoot, I guess the question is, what are you, expecting to see or in your mind, what is Bigfoot?

Great question. Another great question. I keep my eyes and ears open. I think it's really important and taken for granted. And if you're not experienced, I wouldn't even say seasoned it, quote, big footing, you know, whatever that means to people. I think if you are more experienced that being in the outdoors and using your powers of observation that everybody has in the context of nature,

that's kind of what I'm keeping those senses on. So what I'm looking for, it's not just visual, right? It's like that even that term suggests visual. Now, we're primarily visual creatures. These are attached to our brains.

These two input units, whatever you want to call them. But if you're not looking, you're going to miss something. If you're not looking a little harder than just like taking a stroll through the woods and not paying attention, you will miss something. And I know this from my witness accounts. I know this from aggregated accounts of Bigfoot behavior. And I don't pretend to know, I'm, you know, I talk to Bigfoot psychically or anything crazy like woo-woo like that. But they know they are way better than us.

From everything I do know, they are way better than us far superior to us in terms of sneaking around and deception. Whether we're talking about they're more sort of down-to-earth sort of physical skills, or we're talking on that end of the spectrum that gets into clairvoyance and throwing voices and acting in concert as a team or a pack, whatever you want to call it, mimicking animal sounds, presenting little gifts or sort of weird signs out there. So it's like we know they do these strange things that are just high strangeness. We know that. But if you're not looking, and I'm only talking about one sense right now, you will miss stuff.

So I try to like, and my friend knows this that I hike with, but like I do try to keep my eyes open. I look around, especially on the ridges, not just in front of me and not just kind of on the site, but really like stop, stop for a little bit. Take a look around on the ridges, take a look around, listen. and just pay attention to what's going on out there. And I can tell that's actually, you know, netted some interesting things. So when I was in the Marble Mountains wilderness area, for example, I would say about 50 yards away from me, way off the trail and deep in the woods, I saw, and we were bushwhacking it to get across the creek because we couldn't get across on the trail.

I saw two deer that were clearly startled by something, and they were, they were like, you know, whipping their heads around trotting away from something and stopping. Like, do we get away from that? Like, what the hell is that? Wow. Now, I grew up with deer all over the place. Even when I lived in Center City, Philadelphia, there was a deer overpopulation problem in Fairmont Park. I don't see deer spooked like that. I've never seen deer spook like that, let alone two of them at a time. Of course, we see deer travel together,

but like, that was weird. That was unusual to me. I'm not attributing it to Bigfoot. I'm not going to do that and make that leap. But if I hadn't been keeping my eyes open for like, what's beyond my feet and my immediate concerns of not, you know, tripping into the creek or whatever, which was several feet below, I wouldn't have seen that site. And that actually made me want to push further into that direction, which I did. And my friend knew why I wanted to. And those deer disappeared. Like they still, they took off.

And so I bring this up because I heard, I heard that first, I think. And then I saw it. I got eyes on it, right? But like if I weren't, I don't have any special ability, but I know how to keep, you know, my senses up, my eyes and ears open. And then there's the kind of sixth sense, too, which is just like, trusting your instincts if something feels weird or off. I could swear it directs my eyes to certain things. Another example is of that kind of phenomenon. In Moran Mountain, there's a hike I've done

three times that I love because it follows a waterway, a gushing big waterway all the way up to the area of that citing King's Castle that was videotaped by this Cub Scout troop or special needs group and their counselor. Many years ago, that was a spot I wanted to get to. And I knew I wasn't going to get there on the Kelsey Trail. I actually got to that spot a different way. But it's a cliff. The whole walk for miles is just if you fall, you're not coming back.

I mean, it's like, it's a deep, deep, deep drop. And there was a bear mother and her cub down there. This was probably, I'd say, I had to guess, 150 yards away. I always feel very fortunate to see things like that. I did not see it because it was in front of me. In fact, it was tucked all the way down there. Hey, it's Sarah Spain. As a former college athlete, there were so many moments where I second guess myself.

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years and years in the woods. And I don't even consider myself to be some great outdoorsman or survivalists. But I know how to pay attention. And I think that's going to be very important to those who are not lucky enough for kind of Bigfoot. Hey, he just walked in front of me or she or whatever. Just walked in front of me and it was an accident. I don't know anything about Bigfoot. I'm just an eyewitness, right? It's like for those who, I think for those of us who know better, you'll probably miss something. if you're not paying attention because they are better in this respect. And two, because we aren't great at paying attention, right? No, not a 60 way.

Our perception is very narrow, and our brain is telling us how narrow that should be the vast majority of the time. Some questions about Marvel Mountain. to make sure people have the context of what we're talking about. So if you've seen the citing video of the youth group that is looking up on the ridge, the hill, and they see a really large figure walking around, that's what Rich is talking about, the Marble Mountain area. So, Rich, were you actually in that area of that sighting?

I'm sorry. Sorry to interrupt. I think that footage is 100% legitimate. before really that even i do yeah so just you you think it is a hundred percent legitimate yeah i just don't know how about i don't know how that could be fake now there are obviously more clear contenders um for is it legit or not but that's one that i i i like to think as a filmmaker and somebody's studied special effects quite extensively since high school um I can't say like, oh, I've worked in the industry professionally or anything like that.

But I have worked at companies that produce movie technologies for the film industry and the music industry. So I am a pro audio and multimedia professional to some degree. I don't have written criteria for like why this is fake or some sort of checklist. It's just something I feel like I innately can spot. and there are some films online where some people believe it's real. I don't think some of these are real. The Marble Mountains footage is one that I do think is legit. I used to think that it was fake and it was just a dude on top of a mountain,

but then I found a whole copy of it and I really watched it. And at the end, there's the part when the figure is walking in the middle of those trees. And you, I mean, you realize how tall those trees are and you're like, whoa, that figure is really tall. And it just like, it blows your mind. We've talked about perspective and scale. And that's part of what sells it for me is I've been there.

I've been to King's Castle. Again, it was on the second or third try, I think. But it is an absolutely gorgeous spot. We were there. I think it was like late April before the snow melted off. So it's like you work your way up and you're in normal seasonal woods or whatever. And it just as the elevation gains, you know, we start to see some snow. You get to that area.

It's like a snow covered ridge mountain type of thing where it's just like you're in a winter wonderland. And it's just like it's like being. another planet. If you look at the photos on my blog post about that trip, it was really special. I cannot describe the feeling of that spot. It was much more majestic in some ways than the Bluff Creek area.

But I bring up sort of being there, not to pat myself on the back, but more to say when you're looking at that spot that King's Castle, I didn't go up there. You can hike. And when all the snow is melted off, you can go to that ridge or the peak or whatever. It's high up there.

I mean, I don't remember the exact elevation, but like that's not a hill. That is a huge climb, huge climb up a rock face hill. It's not a hill. It's not a mountain. It's not a hill. It's just like a gigantic cliff. It's like a mini, it looks like a mini-usimity or something, right? Because, again, the video, it kind of looks like, oh, look up on the hill.

It's not a hill. It is like a very tall, high elevation area. I think for anybody, for an average size man to be running around out there as kind of a prank would require an enormous amount of effort and planning. that's the first thing. The second thing is what you observed to develop, just this creature's height, man, creature, whatever you think it is. The trees up there are tall.

So it's like you're looking at this figure in the video as big as it is. I think it'd be hard to spot a human, an average size human on that cliff without the thing being that big, if that makes sense. So again,

just going off memory and kind of my own experience. Sure. And then, you know, you see things like the length of its arms. It's like somebody, you know, good point. Extending their arms with some sort of costume. Why are they ready to do that? Why is it behaving in such an unusual way where like it really does look like it's kind of throwing a fit at some point? Yeah. And even the nest, right, that they show in that video, how much time would it take for people to actually make something like that, which to me does not look manmade at all, but rather looks like many other supposedly Bigfoot created nests out there.

So again, I can't say with 100% certainty, yep, that was a Bigfoot, but I feel like that footage is legit. And that area feels, to me, still feels like there's the possibility of activity in that area. Just because, like I said, there's food sources, the water, there's a lake at that spot. There is a lake. It's a beautiful little lake, but like there's plenty of water up there. And we didn't see a single soul. Again, the three times I've hiked that trail didn't even get to Morrible.

mountains, not only that trail, which does have a trailhead, again, very remote, but getting in the back way that we went, that we actually got there from, didn't see a single person, not one. So it's out there. And, you know, the people that got, one of the, one of the sons, I guess, of the, um, the dad that filmed that footage and took the camp, the youth group out there. I saw a video of him and I wish I could find it, but like he went back to that spot. And I think it might have actually been with Expedition Bigfoot. He took them out there. And to this day, doesn't say like, yeah, that was all big joke or hoax or whatever that my dad pulled.

Again, internet correct me if I'm wrong, if anything more recent has surfaced on that footage. Like I said, I'm not going to go out and let them and be like, yep, I'm 100%. I believe it is. I believe it is based on what I know and what I've seen where I don't believe every piece of footage. There's a lot of really terrible footage out there that I think. Oh, there is. I've seen on plenty of sort of top 10 lists. I'm like, I'll give you one example to quote Fourth of July footage where this alleged Bigfoot is running across a very clear area with a quote, baby. I don't, I don't buy that footage. That looks like somebody in a monkey suit, and it probably is, but I don't buy that footage for a second.

I'm not sure how I feel about that one. Yeah, I haven't spent enough time on that one. Yeah, I sent 10 seconds on it. Yeah, that's all you're going to do. Okay. Bigfoot footage is so weird, man. It's like, and people really get into it too. But speaking about like sightings, do you think you've ever been in a situation where you,

you've actually maybe been close to one or have had an encounter of some kind while you've been out, you know? Yes. It sounds like you've gone out a lot. Yes. And I think it was by dumb sheer luck partially. Okay. Because I don't operator act like Cliff Brockman or, you know, really, really serious.

Like this is their life, right? Like they're going out there with big foot related. gear, plaster, Paris, and rulers and all that stuff. I go out with my iPhone and my body and my hiking gear. But I'll tell you about my experience because it shows you how insane it is that it happened and how it really caught me off guard. I ended up on the way to one of our chosen locations that might have. even been marble, you know, it was probably Marble Mountains or Willow Creek. On the way,

a friend of mine, another friend, not my hiking friend, Bigfoot friend Tom, but my, this other, it was a guitar teacher, I guess, at the time, he was like, hey, I'm going to be at this campsite and meet me up there. It's on the way. And I was like, cool, we'll make an overnight of that. It wasn't a squatching trip. And the only reason that I agreed to make that stop, the only reason was because I had read about an eyewitness account in a wooded, a very deep, again, not like as intensely remote as Marble Mountain, Marble Mountains or Willow Creek, but far out there in Northern California are pushing your way up there.

And I had read an eyewitness account that seemed 100% credible to me because it was written by somebody, excuse me, who was very descriptive. about the counter, but not in a not in a sort of, hey, I'm interested in the topic sort of way. It was just like a guy. He was like, I went hiking one time and I had this crazy experience. Something was growling at me. It was huge. It was following my girlfriend and I was really scared. And I think it was Bigfoot. I've read, I've done all this research on Bigfoot since then. So I was very convinced by this obscure eyewitness account, which I love because I scoured the internet for such things. And like, that's why I agreed to go to this campground because it was a good 15 to 20 minute drive, right, from this site.

So this campground is not what I would call touristy. It is, you know, I don't want to say what it is. It was like 20 lots or something like that. And I get awakened by this whooping. sound. I'm in my tent. My friend Tom and I are in one tent. The other friend is in another tent. As this whooping starts, my first thought was like, I was annoyed that I was awakened, and I thought it was a drunk camper. That was my very first thought. Oh, that's big for it. Good. Yay. Good for me. It was like, who the hell is out there, working it up when I'm trying to sleep.

So as I start to get my senses and wits about me, I realize, it's like, I don't know, 530 in the morning, something like that. And I always keep my phone by my hand. Again, not for Bigfoot because I want to see what time it is. If I want to look at it, whatever. And then I check the time. Like, wow, it's like, it's not the middle of the night, but it's not dawn either. And I remember my friend was sleeping through this, but this whooping keeps going.

And it is, it sounds like exactly, and I didn't know this at the time. Yes, it sounds like other Bigfoot whoops or whatever, but it sounds exactly like the type of whoop that is in David Polite's missing 411 documentary where they talk about the Sierra sounds. And they reenact some of that or whatever. Yeah. And when I heard that, the real whooping, I remember almost jumping out of, a bed and saying, you know, I said to my wife, I was like, that's exactly what I heard. Only I heard it for like 10, 15 minutes. And I heard it with another person. And it just, it just struck me like thunder. But the weird part about it, if I'll get back to the actual experience, I was like,

that sounds huge. And like I said, I've worked at pro audio companies more than one. I'm, I mix my own music. I'm an audio professional. I'm like, there's more way that's a human being. I know what coyotes sound like we have them living on the hills around our house for the last 10 years. I know what various larger wildlife sounds like. This thing sounded like the Hulk. You know, I mean, there's just no way a human could make whoops like that. I don't know why in guys name they would be doing that at that time at that place. Hey, it's Sarah Spain. As a former college athlete, there were so many moments where I second I can guess myself. It's natural when you're under pressure. And when I had those moments of self-doubt,

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And so, like I said, as my senses, I start to get my senses, I'm like, shut up, shut up. to myself, like, just be, I don't want to rustle my sleeping back. And then my friend starts to rustle around, and I didn't want to wake him up. But I wanted him to be quiet so that I could continue hearing this. This is where it's very weird. I hear something calling back to this thing. Oh, my goodness. And it sounded smaller, and it sounded farther away.

And it sounded not even as close to a deep voice like this, the what I'll call the adult, right? It sounded like kind of like a garbled. and, you know, kind of like growling, grunting or something back to it. Very faint, very faint. This warping, however, was not faint. And it was just, it was, I can't describe it in any other way, except how other eyewitnesses have described it or audio witnesses. It's almost like it cuts through the air.

You can almost like feel, feel the sound. Not that it was so close that it was like vibrating in my chest kind of thing. It was more the depth, the, the, power of that sound cut through the night and the words and like then my friend wakes up okay and he's like what is that and i was like quiet quiet quiet we keep listening we're just both dumbstruck by what we're hearing and it's just like this call and weird call and response thing going on between the adult and what i think is a juvenile and um then the sun comes up like the it's like it's like the crack of dawn. And so my theory is that, and again, I am not going out on a limb enough

to say, like, that was Bigfoot that night. What I will say was the same thing that my friend said, well, if we're ever going to hear the Bigfoot, like that, that was it. Like, that was what it sounds like. And that's sure it probably was. Sure. I have no other scientific, worldly explanation for what we heard for a prolonged period and for somebody like me who knows I knew vaguely at the time like oh Bigfoot's do whooping sounds right

I've heard a few on the internet but when I then I'd say a month or two later when I watched that Pilates film and heard those particular what I was like that is exactly what it sounds like only longer longer than that because that those whoops are like you know, whoop, whoop, like that sort of stuff. This was like, it's going to increase that.

Thank you. Increase that length by about, I'd say five. That's how long they were going on. It was like a, but it was that loud and that powerful. Yeah. Who the hell would be making that kind of noise where we were, right? And so I walked away just thinking like that was just sheer deadlock that had, that had a little bit to do with Bigfoot research and my knowledge of the topic.

And to this day, I'm going to hold the line of like, I am not that fanciful of a person. I'm scientifically minded. Of course there's a possibility that some nut job was sitting out there with like enormous speakers. For whatever reason, it didn't sound artificial to me. But you never know. who knows, right? But like, if they were going, if they were trying to imitate anything,

it would have been Bigfoot calls, but like, I don't think that's what was happening. I actually think it's more realistic and plausible that there was a Sasquatch and a juvenile out there. And what makes it even more plausible for me is if you study that area and the terrain, I wouldn't call it a hot spot. It's not a hot spot. It's not an area known for a plethora of activity or anything like that. But, we were there during deer season to the point where it was like on the drive in you could throw a rock and hit a deer they're all over the place one two it's a major waterway this campsite is along a major waterway and so my theory is that they not only have water it's kind of a inroads to northern california may possibly migrational i don't know and i think that

they travel along that river. I'm going to, I'm not going to make that assertion. I think my theory is that they travel along that river. They were possibly there on a rare occasion for food. I don't know how they think or what they're doing. They hunt and I'm sure that they exist and I believe they do that they need to eat, whether they're from this dimension or multiple, right? I'm not going to go there.

But they need food and water. All researchers know. that and I think they need migration paths or trails that they know are not going to be visible. And so they'll choose waterways, you know, to walk along, whether it's on the bank or in the water. I don't know what they do to that degree. But that's my theory is that an adult was calling to a juvenile because the sun was coming up. Time to come up.

Let's go. We're going to go back to wherever they are going next. I have no idea. It's time to come in because daylight is here. Those howls stopped or whoops stopped exactly when the sun started to come up. And that's what kind of, to me, that's what puts some pieces together for my theory of what happened. And I don't, I'm not a, I don't, like, I'm not a special person who ever wanted to gain attention from having a big foot experience. I want to see one.

I want to have an experience. I'm not to oblige about that. But I'm also not seeking fame and fortune because of some experience or cash in on it, whatever. I actually care much. In fact, I was so borne away by what I was hearing that I didn't think to record it. Well, I was like, I would ask you to have a rap, right, that you didn't record it with your phone. Yeah. No, because it was more important to me, and you can call BS.

It was more important to me. one, to experience it and hear it. Sure. Because I wanted to know what was going on, right? And process it. And two, I couldn't wrap my head around it enough to pick up my phone. I literally just was not, you know, people, people have that somehow have the presence of mine after five seconds of an experience.

Oh, I'm going to pull out my phone. Something weird is going on. I didn't even think to do that. And this was an audio experience. And I didn't even think to get out of my tent because, frankly, I was like, It wasn't because I was afraid. It was more like, I want to hear what's going on. This is a sound thing.

I'm not going to find it by going out there because this thing was. Yeah, exactly. I'd say like not super far, but not super or not super close, but not super far away either. If I had to make an estimate, I would say it was like it's a five minute walk away. I am completely guessing on that. But I didn't have the presence of mine to record it. Now, I would next time. And again, it's one of those like learning things that I would hope.

I take up in terms of my experience and presence of mind, right? And again, the whole internet can call BS on this. I don't really care. I know what I heard. Nothing will change. Again, it's not about I assert I heard Bigfoot. It's like, I know what I heard. And I sure as I'll think I know what it was.

Can I conclusively prove that? No. I wouldn't be able to conclusively prove it if I had recorded it. It would be another recording in the float some and jet sum of evidence and non-evidence, right? Yeah, and there's a ton of that for sure. That is just a, that's a fascinating story, though, Rich. Thank you for sharing that. You've mentioned a few times that you, you know,

you've read a ton of different witness encounters, all different places. what are your do you have what are your your top websites to to check out witness encounters or do you have like any that you're like oh I'm sure this is not the normal one it's not like the BFRO or do you just stick to the like BFRO that's a great question I actually don't read the RFRO because I heard the discount it's not it's not like oh I do that on purpose everything against them. I heard that they discount kind of these more paranormal aspects of the phenomenon.

Yes. And I've also heard from others that they kind of edit that stuff out and tell witnesses like, no, no, no, you didn't see blue light. You just saw Bigfoot and stick to that. And so it's like, if you're going to have a record of such things, then make

it like an honest, complete record. So I don't, again, I'm not here to like, I'm sure. Yeah, it's an observation. It's an observation. So I don't I don't scroll through that stuff. Now, I've gone on their website to check out certain accounts in areas that I'm going to visit or I want to visit. Sure. Oh, yeah.

I'm not, like I said, I'm not anti. I'd say I look at, I look at, I witness accounts on kind of, you know, the Facebook groups as I scroll through. I think a lot of there's a Native American run account that I don't remember the name of it. some of those are fascinating because I feel like it happens more often in those areas and probably with Native Americans because of their history with Sasquatch, I don't have an explanation for that. There's some sort of connection or tie there that I've talked to some of my guests. And I know that they believe, and they've overtly said that there is a connection there

that we don't know everything about. I find it fascinating. and I think someday more might be revealed about that and I don't mean to be conspiracy theorist. But I'm sorry, I didn't mean to get off topic. What was the original question? No, you did answer it. I was trying to get and see if you had any secret spots for Bigfoot encounters. Yeah.

Yeah. Facebook groups. There's a site I like. It's actually more, I discovered on Twitter. Sasquatch Chronicles or Encounters, something like that. The Bigfoot encounters? I think so. That one's great.

It's an older one by Bobby Short. That one's great, though. I think that's the one I'm talking about. But I like how he clearly just reprints the things that people send in. And these people, I have a very high, I feel like a very good, I also have experience and police research for screenplays. And that's always been another kind of interest of mine is forensic psychology and criminology, right?

So I'm not a cop like David or a law enforcement professional. But I know that world. And I know I have a good BS meter. And I think that applies to both video stuff and stuff in writing. And I think that there's enough people that supply these encounters. where they have absolutely nothing to gain. You know, they're submitted anonymously. I can tell that by reading some of them, they're terrified.

In some cases, others, it's more wonderment, I guess, or sort of curiosity. There's also common threads of just like, I want to know more about this topic because they've had this experience, or they're recounting something very often from years and years ago or their childhoods, that they're like, I've been too embarrassed to talk about this for 40 years, but now I'm going to share that experience. So again, you know, there are a lot of things that lend credibility to a certain eyewitness testimony, like, is this person credible,

the context around it, all that stuff? But yeah, there's plenty of good sites out there. Oh, yeah. I think I need two of them where these things come up. Obviously, like shows like Expedition Bigfoot's done an amazing job of interviewing eyewitness. Eyewitnesses. And I appreciate that they do that. actually that should be part of these kinds of shows.

You know, I know finding Bigfoot has done that in the path, though. I wouldn't say like, oh, I have these go-to places. It's more sites that I like. One last one, there was a website that was pretty active called Sasquatch Encounters or Sasquatch Believers or something like that. It was completely dedicated to, at one time, I think it was dedicated to like just written accounts that were anonymously sent in. And I remember a lot of really good accounts being on that site. It's kind of migrated more to like a content marketing type of site with a lot of ads and sort of peripheral Bigfoot content.

But I liked it most several years ago when it was just like stick to the eyewitnesses because, To me, that's always going to, that anecdotal evidence is evidence, whether scientists want to discount that or not. Like people in academia, you know, who deserve their scientists. That's their job is to be skeptics first, right? But like, that anecdotal eyewitness evidence, you can convict people in a court of law in testimony like that. But like, we've got hundreds of thousands over since the dawn of research. recorded history of these eyewitness accounts. So unless there's some sort of collective mass psychosis going on,

I would think that the ones that are submitted anonymously in particular, you know, there's something behind that. So I'm getting to this realm of kind of like, is it real or not or credibility? But like I'm talking about eyewitness credibility and the importance of those kinds of, you know, testimonials. Hey, it's Sarah. Spain. As a former college athlete, there were so many moments where I second-guess myself.

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like more important to me than physical evidence like footprints and hair. I know that scientists like for scientists like that's as that's like top dog that's as good as it gets even for somebody like Russ like Russ has said to me I want I want hair I want you know DNA I want footprint because then I know what I saw right in front of me which looks like a big foot even on the show, you know, they aired some footage that Russ got through a scope, then I know it's a big foot. It's like for me, it's like, well, I take everybody's word for it. Any eyewitness testimony, that must be true.

That's not where I sit. I just think that like to this, that, that to me will almost be more compelling is that body of evidence that just continues to grow over and over and over again every day and will never stop. It's never going away. Why are all these people coming forward talking about these experiences? And here's the other thing. We talked about kind of my childhood through adulthood and how I followed this topic from childhood to adulthood, like I'm sure like many of the other people I've interviewed a research. And that's not the case with many of those folks, by the way. I call myself an aggregator where it's like I've aggregated all of those eyewitness

testimonies and, you know, oh, videos by this Facebook group of their behavior and stuff like that. Like there's patterns there. There are very strong patterns there that we know researchers

at various levels like we recognize in the community. And here's the thing. Since the advent of the internet, more videos are going up, right? More stories are coming through. And we're seeing more of those patterns strengthen

and they get weirder. Like the high strange, I would see patterns in the high strangeness patterns that I started to become much more aware of when the internet became the thing. And people like Mike Patterson started a YouTube video channel. I interviewed him, by the way, on my channel. But that's right here. I started hearing about like marble gifting marbles, gifting marbles. And I guess like I witnessed, you call them experiencers or repeat experiencers. you know, gift-giving in the form of these little intertwined stick figures and, what do you call it, tree structures.

These are things that, like, I didn't, we didn't know about those in childhood, but yet people like me and probably you have aggregated these patterns over time. So this list of sort of Bigfoot-related phenomenon not only gets weirder, but those patterns get more extensive, right? And they build far out above and beyond this kind of lost, undiscovered creature in the woods. I don't really, I think there's more to the Bigfoot phenomenon than that. In this growing list of anecdotal evidence, it's not physical evidence. It's adding to that belief collectively, I think, you know, if not across the community, but like collectively, that anecdotal evidence is extremely clear.

You know, there are some very weird things associated with Bigfoot, above and beyond a giant hairy creatures roaming around the forests of North America and other corners of the world. So they can't be just, they serve a very, very important purpose, in my opinion. That's very interesting. Are there plans to come out with, are you planning to do more interviews on your YouTube channel? I was curious. I was taking a break because of the holidays. And, you know, it's like between some of my other extracurricular activities, like music screenwriting, you know, on top of having a family, all that other stuff.

It's like I have to be careful. I have to be careful about how I, you know, spend time and do these sorts of things. And so I would consider that kind of like this hot batch of interviews that I wanted to do of the people that I really, I wanted to talk to the most. And so I feel very fortunate, the people that were kind of like, hey, these people are at the top of my list or whatever. Like I got to talk to all of them. That was like a thrill for me. And also I was super hungry at that time, you know, to kind of like, again, fortify my knowledge, learn more. and engage more with the community in this topic, I guess,

because that's been nothing but rewarding. It's not really because I'm a big foot nerd and I want to go to conventions and rub shoulders with people all the time. That's not really, nothing, no offense, if that's your thing. That's not really my interest. It's like I said, I want to see one. I want to learn more about the mystery. I want to uncrack it, the mystery.

and understand what's going on because it's a, I think once we do, and I always believe that we will at some point, it will alter humanity as we know. Everything. I agree with you 100%. It'll all change 100%. Yep. And who knows if things will remain timeless as they have been, right?

or it's like my song is a bit tongue-in-cheek, but one of the lines is something like they've been around since time or something. I should know my own song. But how long has this phenomenon been around since cave paintings, right? And to this day, there's something we don't understand and we cannot control with this phenomenon

because otherwise we would know what we need to know about it. I do think that the government knows much more than we know publicly about this topic. Absolutely. But I still don't, I don't believe that they have full understanding of what, I guess they can do, what they do, why they do it, why they're here, what they are, all that stuff. You know, all these things that we don't understand. I don't even know.

I would doubt that the government really knows everything because I think they're going to hide things that they actually don't understand it because it's like we can't control it. We know what we, it's a thing for sure. That's classified. We know it's a thing. But we can't control it.

We can't, we don't know exactly what it is or why they're here or what they're doing. But just don't talk about it because we can't control it. you know, and it will disrupt the machine. Exactly. And yeah, man, there's a, you can go a lot of different ways with that one. And I agree with you. There's a fun.

Something is going. I believe the government is definitely involved somehow. But I want to make sure that we touch upon a few things before the end of our time together. One is we're going to play your song at the end of the interview. So listeners, at the end of this interview, after the normal outro, stick around because I'm going to be playing Rich's song, which is titled Bigfoot's and Alien. And Rich's music is awesome. It reminds me of classic 90s music that I still like to jam out to today. but what is the song about or sorry what's the story behind bigfoot's an alien what where were you in

your life when you wrote that song there's got to be a story behind it well thank you for that set up first of all I appreciate it yeah it's a cool cool story behind that song I had actually been working on a novel for something like five six years and I you know I've been a musician since I was 13, I was most intensely involved in running a band and all that in my early and mid-20s. And I had run a band on the West Coast, both the East Coast and the West Coast, and I was taking a break from music to work on this novel. And I hadn't written a song, touched my guitar in something like those six years. It was very dormant for me musically during that time.

And once I finished that book project, I picked up guitar again. And it was like that song, it's like, I won't say it wrote itself for some magical experience. But it was really like this kind of pent up lifetime of the Bigfoot interest. And then also a volcano, I guess, from within on the musical front. because it did like, it came together really quickly. And I was like, I just want to record this in a professional studio versus me recording it myself and producing it, mixing it myself, which is what I've been doing for the last six, seven years. And even before that, all throughout my 20s and 30s, that's my default thing is to, you know, record my own stuff, produce it.

But I wanted, I was like, I just want to have fun. I know it's a good song. I just want to have fun and have a professional help me out and make it sound awesome and super heavy. That was important to me, right? And so I worked with this producer. I want to name drop because he's really great at what he does. Scott Lomas. He's in San Rafael, California, our hometown here in Marin County.

And then the song, I wish I could say, yeah, then it got me a record deal and all this other stuff. But like it did, it got attention and enough. without me trying at all at all. Like I literally was like, I'm going to put this on my band camp page. I had no, you know, like, oh, this is going to be number one with the bullet. And I'll finally get that record deal.

It was like, I'm going to put it out there. But like, it got a really good response and got picked up by kind of like the power pop crowd and like people that did like 90s rock kind of music. Oh, yeah. To the point, I was sufficiently encouraged, I was like, I'm going to do a whole whole thing. whole album and I haven't done a whole album in a long time and I haven't really done like a bonafide solo album with my name like I've always run a band with the name so I then I did an album and I put

that online and it just kind of like got me into this whole um power pop internet community I guess so you know I'm by no means a household name but I'm certainly I have a a platform, if you will, a niche platform with people that appreciate such music. And so that that song always has this kind of special place in my heart is not only one of my favorites, but like it's, it is from the heart. And I, I believe in what it's saying, not literally like, oh, Bigfoot's an alien, because that's up for debate. It's more, we don't know what the heck this is. And it's been around forever and it will blow our minds if we ever really knew what is going on. And the more I talk to people like Dr. Simeon Hine, PhD, author of Dark Matters Monsters,

my interview with him is on my YouTube channel. But the more I talk to people like him and other experiencers start talking about their experience and are kind of like plugged into this in different ways. The more I believe in, I'm with Ron Morehead. I'm really, I became of that belief. I think like after I started to aggregate, like I said, some of these phenomenon in the eyewitness accounts, people like Mike Patterson coming forward,

it just started to like creep into, geez, maybe there's something to this whole like weird wave of sightings in the 70s that are well documented and that hundreds of people were part of, including law enforcement. All over the place. Maybe there's something to eyewitness accounts in the infinite amount of Bigfoot being associated with UFO settings. I don't know if Bigfoot's an alien, but like what the hell's going on, right? You have to ask you. You have to be open-minded enough like Tesla, like Einstein, to ask yourself these questions.

otherwise you're actually doing a disservice, I think, to scientific inquiry. If you're not, no, do I believe in leprechauns? No, do I believe in fairies? No, I do not. Do I believe in something where hundreds of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people have had encounters with over time? Yeah, I do. I do think there's something there. I don't even, I'm not even counting my own possible experience, right?

It's like, I've always been, I think, a believer since adulthood because I'm a reasonable adult. But now I'm becoming, I've become more of a believer in, we just don't understand what this is about. It's not, I don't think it's about tracking a bear. And I know that there are well-known people in the community that still do cling to that and think that's what they're pursuing. And I just, I don't fall into that camp. I think there's something much more complex that we understand theoretically on the quantum level, as Ron Moorhead would say, who is late years ahead of me in terms of deep dive understanding of his theoretical understanding of what's going on. Back by much firsthand experience, I might add, talk about close in caps of the first, second, and third kind.

Ron's had all of them. But I think that he has the kind of mind and he's open-minded enough to really like him and Ronnie and Simeon, people like that, I feel like are pushing the edge of what we're dealing with here. Filmmakers like Brett Eichenberger, if you haven't seen a flash of beauty, I think it's a best documentary. I mean, I've seen it twice. I want to see it again.

It's so good. It's extremely well-crafted, but it's also. it takes us to the present day, right? In a way that... Hey, it's Sarah Spain. As a former college athlete, there were so many moments where I second-guess myself.

It's natural when you're under pressure. And when I had those moments of self-doubt, I found that the smallest thing can steady you, like a smile. Not because it's easy, but because it reminds you. You belong here. You've put in the work.

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who are on the cutting edge I'd like to talk to Brett again actually because he's a great guy and I just I think he's doing some amazing work and I have immense respect for him as a filmmaker let alone somebody who's involved in this topic and presenting it in such an accessible, responsible, and thorough, holistic way. Absolutely. Yeah, I can't wait for the sequel to come out on that. There's another side project you've got going on

that I want to make sure that we cover. Just because the things that you've come out so far on it have been just awesome. Creature Portal. Tell me about how, and that's your, it's a clothing line, but it's, if you're into Bigfoot, you're going to love it. So tell me how that came about and all the good stuff about Creature Portal. That is an interesting story that came up around the time I started the YouTube interview series, but it was really coincidental. It wasn't like, you know, when I do the YouTube stuff, I'm like, you can support me in one

and two ways. You can visit CreaturePortle.com and get a Bigfoot t-shirt that I've designed and illustrated or hoodie or some other things I'm offering. Or you can buy my music on Bandcamp, right? I didn't start Creature Portal to support the YouTube channel or vice versa. So it was really like my kids are seven and ten. And I drew a big, I happened to draw a big foot that I liked in a manner that I liked.

And I've been sketching Bigfoot since childhood. And I was like, I want to make a T-shirt out of that. And then today I just researched some platforms that you could do print on demand kind of things like this. And that's how it was born. It wasn't like, hey,

I want to, I would love to have more time. to really commit to it as kind of a business. For me, it's really like, this is a fun thing. It's something that I can scale up over time. Potentially, I'd like to actually do more paranormal creatures like moth man. I did a wolf man or dog man. Yeah, it's cool.

It's like, it's just like something that feeds my interest in this topic, but it's also an outlet for my illustration. It's a way to support, you know, my work. But that's how it really came about. It wasn't, it wasn't, it was like one of those things that started very organically and not sort of like deliberately. Like, how can I monetize this? Or I'm going to sit down and start a T-shirt company. It was like totally fun thing that had to do with my weird big foot stuff. And oh, cool.

I'm talking to these people. Maybe I can use my T-shirt to, you know, as a means of support for that stuff. I think I, you know, I sold a few to my friends. But I would hardly say it's taken off or anything like that. But hey, if you want to check it out, check it out. it out. I know you're not showing this on your YouTube channel, but here is the, is the OG design. It's so cool. It's one of my favorite renditions right now of Bigfoot. It is such a cool illustration, dude. Thank you. I appreciate that. That's what made me want to do the T-shirt. I was like, I really liked how it turned out.

And I'm, even if I weren't the artist on it, I would say like, it would catch my eye. It looks like what I would think a Bigfoot would look like, if that makes sense. But it kind of, it was like kind of like told you about how the song kind of prompted more creativity in that area. And it's similar to this. It's kind of like, oh, that was, that turned out cool. I'm going to do another one. And then I did another, I'd done like three. I did a custom one for my son.

I want to keep going. and just kind of get the community who's interested in cryptids and Bigfoot and things like that, kind of like, hey, if you have a custom design, tell me. And, you know, I see trends there. I'll do it. Now, I'm not going to do a custom design for every person on the Internet or anybody that reaches out. But it's kind of like, if I start seeing a bunch of like, man, I want a mothman t-shirt. Cool, I'll do that, you know.

Or like the squawk. Yeah. The squawk from Pennsylvania. You know about the squawk. you're Pennsylvania boy. The Birdman, right? Chubacabra. I mean, it's like, I wouldn't say it's a huge list,

but it's long enough that like with my kids being into monsters and I like to, I like them to watch me create and draw and share those experiences with them. You know, my kids wear that stuff because I, not because I don't force them to, but they like it. You know, and it's like it's fun for them. It's fun for me. And, yeah.

So that's the story behind Creature Portal. Visit.com and check it out. Buy yourself a t-shirt. It will help support their college funds. And, yeah, my day-to-day, we've all got bills and, you know, working in advertising. I'm not ashamed to merge art and commerce in my interest for sure. But, guys, listeners, I'm really not just saying this. Like, it is an absolutely awesome illustrations.

So like go to the show notes, click the link for Creature Portal and check it out. And if you like it, buy one. So it's really good. Before we end out, before we reach the end here, I am genuinely curious. So you have two blog posts. You got your blog posts are really good. The one about Marble Mountain, the one about Bluff Creek. But you said you've been going out for a long time.

Have you gone to other Bigfoot sites then besides those two places? Those two are the two most well-known. And I made repeated trips to them because they're kind of something I can accomplish in like a four-day excursion with my buddy. Gotcha. Versus like, I have to fly there and all that other stuff. I'm trying to think if, like I said, I've been to Chestnut Ridge in Pennsylvania and Western Pennsylvania. Yeah. I'm trying to think if there are any other specifics, and I can't offhand.

I probably take in trips to other spots. I know there's activity, there's been activity in the Felton Santa Cruz area, and I can't say like, oh, we went to this exact location because it happened here, blah, blah, blah. But we've been to places where there had been encounters. Some weird, a couple weird things happen on that trip, actually. Now that I think about it, I found a giant bone of a spine. It looked like cattle or something.

I mean, it was huge. In the middle of the trail, bone, just white as a pearl with some, you know, some black spots or whatever. But like, why is that there in a national? park and not a crowded by a national park by the way but just and i'm not saying like oh that's squatchy or that was but just you know weird things happen in the woods like that um but i you know that that area felt and there's a bigfoot museum run by this um older gentleman who we met in person i don't remember his name offhand he's met david polides and we were talking about oh mike rug thank you the finding finding yeah yeah mike rug i i was

want to talk to him, but he is definitely, I have to look into it. But that place looks fantastic. Have you ever watched his YouTube channel? No, I have not. I didn't even know he had one. He's got a YouTube channel from 13 years ago. And it's got like David Polite's stuff on it from when he presented at the museum. But it's also like Mike back in the day being interviewed for two, three minutes at a time and no one knows about it and it's like he's answering big foot questions to this guy it's so good dude that's awesome i got to check it out yeah yeah for sure but um and mike rugg is a cool dude name yeah i saw like last year that he was trying to save the museum or it was all i it was almost burned or something's i don't know what's going on with it today but like that was that was an

awesome cool experience just like stopping in and like oh wow it's it's open that's cool and he's actually here. That's cool. We weren't looking for him, by the way. We just wanted to visit the museum, but we had a, he was very gracious. We had a nice chat, and one of his books had a alien face on it by John Marks, who was a well-known, I'm sorry, John Mack, who was a very well-known alien abduction researcher, and that actually prompted my screenplay on alien abductions, and that time. the higher good, yes. That is cool. It just set me off on a whole eight months, two years worth of research

and writing on that on that topic. It actually, us even talking about that just kind of prompted that another kind of corner of paranormal interest like blown wider open than before, all because of that book staring me right in front of the face. It was like a sign or something. It was interesting. Wow. That's wild.

Rich, this has been, an awesome interview. Thank you so much for coming on and just chatting about all crazy Bigfoot adventures you've had so far. I'm sure you're going to have way more. I can't, you know, I'm definitely going to keep an eye on what you put out on your blog in the future,

all that good stuff. Do you mind spending a few minutes sharing with listeners? Please, anything you want to plug, go right ahead. Oh, thank you so much. Well, first of all, yeah, I want to say huge, huge thanks for having me.

I'm glad that you reached out. I thought this was a really great conversation. Interview or not, you asked some great questions, and I just appreciate the time and the platform to talk about my experience and hear, you know, just be part of the community. In terms of things to mention, you know, same sort of spiel at the end of my YouTube videos are beginning. cases, but just if you want to support my work and just kind of like contribute in any sort of way,

more importantly, just kind of like connect. I love as an artist and creative person just to connect with people. Check out, create your portal, get yourself a shirt, gift it to the Bigfoot lover in your life. It's available multiple colors for kids, adults, and kids, adults, and women, even, because I know that there are female squatters out there too. I know it's like Star Wars. It's a very male century community. And then on the other side, the music side, you know, visit my website, Richard Turgeon.com, and consider supporting my music.

It's everywhere. It's on iTunes under my name, Spotify, iTunes, Amazon, all that stuff. But if you get it on band camp, the most proceeds go to indie artists like myself. Okay. And I love to share my music with as many people as possible. If you go to the website, you'll see reviews for the records, and I've been doing it for a long time. And anybody that just gives my music a try, that's a big honor in connecting with a new listener, you know, just getting the occasional email from, hey, I heard your music on Bob Sesska's podcast the other day or whatever it is or this one. That's, that's awesome. So check that stuff out. And again, just appreciate anybody who's listened to this. Feel free to reach out to me on the YouTube channel and definitely check out the Bigfoot interview series, as I call it. There's a playlist called Bigfoot.

And that's got guests that include Ron Moorhead, Russ, a chord from Expedition Bigfoot, or A-Cord, excuse me. Dr. Simeon Hine, author of Dark Matter Monsters. Mike Patterson, a Bigfoot Experiancer, Brett Eichenberger, the director that I mentioned, director of Flash of Beauty. I'm trying to think of, I hate to like forget anybody on that. Oh, Mike Freeman, of course.

Oh, yeah, 62,000 views. 64. Yeah, yeah. Both of us were absolutely stunned. And that, we didn't even get to that. I don't want to prolong our time. but like another one of those, like, I'd like to know more about that guy,

Paul Freeman, that shot that footage. Like, what was his story? And it just these, it just ended up with me connecting with Mike in that video and more people watching it than either one of us could have possibly. Wild. Imagine. So,

um, yeah, just check that out too because it, there's, these are some great people. And I think there's a lot to learn from, you can play YouTube videos. your car on your commute. I like to do that. It's very calming. And these interviews, you know,

they're around the hour and 15 mark, probably like this one. And they're fascinating. I want to go back honestly and listen to all of them myself, even though I was the one doing the interviewing. I actually just want to sit back as a listener and check them all out. So I think, hey, if you don't want to check out sort of my creative commercial endeavors, like listen to what these people have to say and just keep being curious and keep your sense of mystery and wonder about the universe, I would say. Yeah, if you listen to this podcast, you should 100% be subscribed to Rich's YouTube channel and check out those interviews because it's like you're going to let, if you like this,

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