Bigfoot Society - "I sat there with my knife ready" | Oakridge Wilderness Guide Remote Interview

Episode Date: August 27, 2024

In this remotely recorded episode during the events of Oakridge, Oregon 2024, Kevin delves into his astonishing experiences in the secluded Willamette National Forest near Oakridge, Oregon and beyond. From sharing the rich history of the Pacific Northwest, including Native American and settler tales, to recounting chilling personal encounters, Kevin brings the mysterious wilderness to life. Listeners will hear about eerie noises, rock-throwing incidents, and unsettling wilderness phenomena from places like Linton Meadows and Diamond Peak Wilderness.Share your Bigfoot encounter with me here: [e-mail] to call in and leave a voicemail of your encounters for the podcast - Check this out here - https://www.speakpipe.com/bigfootsociety(Use multiple voice mails if needed!)🔴 Subscribe to hear more Bigfoot encounters: https://www.youtube.com/@BigfootSociety?sub_confirmation=1Share this video with a friend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5v75Od-X38Watch more episodes of the Bigfoot Society podcast here – https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-MGeHs0XglFJE5LwUHpmJm_&feature=sharedRecommended Playlist – New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3t1vwtsKh-Mk4032IyZtWgP6LVPU8uat✅ Help me help others share their Bigfoot Encounter by joining the community on Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsociety✅ Hear ad-free episodes early by joining the community on Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinLet’s connect:Instagram – https://www.instagram.com/bigfootsociety/Twitter – https://twitter.com/bigfoot_societyTiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@bigfoot.societyAffiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYPut some pep in my step by buying me a coffee: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsocietyPick up some merch here: https://www.etsy.com/shop/bigfootsociety/?etsrc=sdtSend mail here:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072Send business inquiries to: [e-mail]

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and sometimes even more episodes. Head on over to patreon.com forward slash the Bigfoot Society, and now let's get on with the show. The following remote interview happens in the region around Oak Ridge, Oregon at a cabin out in the woods. That being said, the audio might be a bit different than what you're used to, but enjoy as this is the first time this individual has shared this information. There may be hot mics, mic issues, and other things that you notice in the background, but don't let that stop your enjoyment of this. And again, thank you to Kevin for coming on the podcast.

Enjoy. And we're okay with Kevin, first name only? Okay, I'm going to start with it. Kevin introduced me to his property, which is pretty far up in the woods. Kevin, thank you for inviting me out to your picnic table at your property. It is very nice out here. Your dog is running around. We've been tossing the ball to he's pretty good at running around getting that.

But do you mind, is there anything you can share about the, area that we're in just for the listeners to get a visual of what we're looking at? Yeah, sure. Where we live here in Oregon, it's nestled in the west side of the Cascade slopes. And it has a lot of Native American history and a lot of settler history related to the Oregon Trail and different routes that were trying to be discovered for easier access because everyone was heading to the Willamette Valley, which is where Eugene sits and all the bigger cities in Oregon. So basically in Western Oregon, once you get out of the valley areas, you end up with all small rural towns that might be 10, 15, 20 miles apart.

And probably averaging anywhere from 1,000 people maybe to 3,000 or 5,000 people. So a lot of small spread out towns dispersed in a really large forest system. And so where we're at here, this is the Willamette National Forest, one of the largest national forests in the United States. I mean, there's just a huge amount of roads and different ecosystems. You know, I mean, you go from 1,000 feet in elevation all the way up to 10,358 feet at the top of South Sister Mountains, which is the pinnacle of Willamian National Forest. And that's bordered on the eastern side by this huge national forest over there in eastern Oregon and Bend area. But anyways, really lush area, really pretty area.

And I spent decades out here, me and my wife, backpacking and exploring and really just finding places away from people. And before I had children, my oldest daughter is nine. We always went camping. That's what we did. I worked 50, 60 hour weeks at shops and Eugene. And at the end of the work week, we'd have our packs packed. And I'd cram them in the back of my 94 Jeep Cherokee. we would oftentimes leave Friday night and drive for an hour and a half, two hours to get up

into the national forest and then hike into campsites just to spend as much time as we could out in the woods. We both really enjoyed it and it decompressed us. For me, growing up rural communities on farms, on ranches, I spent most of my adolescents growing up in eastern Oregon outside of Pendleton on the Indian, Eumatil Indian Reservation out there. And I worked for all the ranchers that had big ranches and big ranches and big. farms nestled up against the slopes of the Blue Mountains out there. And just a beautiful area. And for me, I came from Florida. I moved up here when I was 11 from southwest Florida, just south of Fort Myers. And even down there, my family, we lived pretty much out in the middle of nowhere.

We were the typical southern swamp kids. I don't know, most of the time I probably was barefoot and shirtless. And when I was my boy's age now, which there are seven. Me and my younger brother, we'd take the John boat out and we'd go hunting alligators and bring back low. little three foot, four foot alligators and just spent our days exploring. And the funny thing is, now that I've gotten more familiar with this Bigfoot phenomenon and had experiences myself, think about how remote I lived in Florida and my mom and dad got divorced at an early age. So there's two different houses that we spent her time at. And my dad lived out and out the middle of big swamps. There was no houses around us for six or seven miles. And I never experienced anything in Florida.

You know, and I know people say that there's a lot of activity on there. I believe them. I believe them. I think that there's a lot of people that have these experiences and they just don't automatically go to Bigfoot as their first explanation, which in my case, for the experiences that I had, most of these happened, most of these happened. And I didn't realize what was really behind it until years later, even decades later on some of these. And when you start thinking it and putting it together and being like, aha, that explains what happened. And it was when that Finding Bigfoot show kicked off. And there's a lot of fans of that show. And we discussed my opinions on it. And I think it really mainstreamed the Bigfoot thing.

Absolutely. You know, really brought it out there. But it was more entertainment. And the hooting and hollering and these microscopic noises that you hear in your TV, you know, when these shows debuted. And they're like, you hear that's a Sasquatch. It's a hard bill to sell, you know, to people that have. experiences but what I really did get out of that show was listening to people share their encounters and after listening to several of the very first

episodes of finding Bigfoot me and my wife both looked at each other and we're like we started recounting all these experiences we had and we were like that explains exactly what we had happened yeah with with that I'll just jump into some of the experiences that I've had and I'll give as much detail as I can to paint the picture and unless you, for people I've never been to the Pacific Northwest, you spent the last few days running around here, really just dipping your toes into the vastness that's out here. It's, this is a rugged place. And nature rules out here for the most part. I mean, look at right now, I mean, we're surrounded by wildfires, you know, and that's, that's normal.

I have my camper pack right now. I have all my important stuff in there, ready to go in case we have to leave. I've had to evacuate the last five years. And so it's just one of those things you prepare for reminds me of being in Florida, preparing for hurricanes. You know, so I mean, nature's steel rules out here. And a lot of these places are, even though there's roads going everywhere in this Willam and National Forest, there's just so much uncharted land. There's 2,000 plus miles worth of road in this national forest. You could spend decades trying to drive these roads.

And I'm friends with a lot of third generation loggers up here. And even these guys haven't explored all the roads out here. It's just incredible how much room there is. I ran a backpacking business where I take people out on paid hikes and everything. And after getting really involved with backpacking myself and spending months outside, literally, every year sleeping under the stars, finding the most remote corners of this western Oregon Cascades Slope wilderness areas and just spending weeks out in these quiet spots, we really got to know the area well.

And my experiences with Bigfoot really only started happening. when I moved to Western Oregon. And once I made the realization of what was going on, like said, sometimes 10 years later plus on some of these experiences, it was kind of exciting and made me a little bit apprehensive, especially now that I have children. And so all my kids, but, you know, I have two seven-year-old boys that are twins, and I have a nine-year-old daughter, and we camp all the time. We go super remote.

My camp trailer set up for boondock camping. We never go to campgrounds. We go 30, 40 miles out, and we'll stay there for as long as we, can't usually when we go camping. So usually it's three days, five days, or whatever. So my kids know my stories and I told my kids all my experiences more as a cautionary tale. I don't know if, I don't think these things necessarily want to be your friends. I think they're out there. I don't think, I don't think that they are prone to violence and disappearing you or murdering you. But with anything, especially large animals, especially intelligent large animals, you got to consider that's a

possibility. And I think it's naive to go into the situation and think that all these things are your friends and they're just going to do these things where they're knocking on wood and throwing rocks and charging a tent and stuff. Look at Timothy Shredwell and the bears. We talked about that. He spent decades with these bears, you know, and then moved out there. And I don't know how many years he spent up there in Alaska with those bears. And finally came across the wrong bear and ate him and his girlfriend right there on camera. Pretty horrific. And I think that could be the case with these animals too. And I think the more intelligent a creature is, the more likely you are to have personalities. And the more likely you are to just come across a poor, an angry Sasquatch. So anyways,

my kids know about it. It's really just let them know that they're out there. We deal with cougar and bear all the time up here and wolves and everything. That's not an issue. I just don't want them. If my kid ever went missing, the last thing I don't want to want to worry about is my mind would go to, well, crap, like maybe a big foot got them, you know. So anyways, with the that I'll start some my stories here. So I'm thinking back to my encounters and I listed them out here and I got approximate it. And I think for the most part, I'm just going to, I got them listed in the chronological order they happen. I don't know if I'm going to really mention the actual years that these happen. I'll give you the baseline. Unless you want me to throw it out there.

If that's nothing that, if you don't mind that that might help. Sure. Like said, all these experiences that I've had, except for the later ones 2014 on, we, we had these, encounters and Bigfoot wasn't on my radar. I mean, I've always heard the stories growing up here, but I've hunted. I hunted a bunch, you know, deer elk and lots of bird hunting. And so I've heard stories about Bigfoot's, but through most of these encounters, it wasn't like I'm being accosted by Bigfoot. It was just kind of an nerving situation. And being around wild animals, I don't spook easy. I've been around plenty of cougars and bears. I've been followed for a day with mountain lions hiking up in the three sisters wilderness and it's really just not an issue you

you learn how to act around them and you know they're there um so you you you never want to freak out and you never want to freak out and run and uh so with that being said um you know so i moved to eugene area from pendleton when i was 19 and my wife went to university of Oregon and she was studying there I was a farm boy out in Pendleton, Eastern Oregon on the UMTill Indian Reservation. And after living in small towns, my entire life in rural communities, my wife invited me to be a roommate with her and her other classmates over in Eugene. We were friends. I went to school with my wife.

Her dad was my math teacher in high school, actually. And so I moved in with her at Ducks Village in Eugene. And when I got to Eugene, about 200,000-ish population in that area there, because Eugene Springfield are right next to each other. Second largest metropolitan area in Oregon, small for some of the East Coast stuff. But when I got here, it was exciting. Moving into a bigger city, I've never been in a big city. Eugene might be considered a small city for most people, but for me, it felt like a big city.

It was exciting. So I spent, and we spent our first 10 years, eight or nine years in Eugene every day just exploring everything we could. We started with the city and I explored all the parks. And it was fun walking through the downtown areas with big buildings and everything was so busy and the hustle and bustle of it. And we started exploring outside of the city limits more. And got in Lane County, and we ended up in the mountains. And that's when I really got into backpacking over here. So in 2008, we were well on our way to pretty much backpacking every chance we got.

We just, me and my wife, we went back back back. Wintertime, it didn't matter. We went rainstorms, snowstorms. So in 2008, I got invited to go to Thanksgiving up in Astoria, Oregon. My mom actually lives up in Warrington out there, which is sits more. west of Astoria. I'm a couple miles away from the beach. Really pretty area.

Probably most people recognize it because of the Megler Bridge, that big green bridge. That area's got a lot of history. A lot of old history. And so we drove to Astoria. I was in my wife's 96 Honda Accord, and we got to the house where my mom lived

and my brother and my sister were there, and they had kids. They had taken all the spare rooms in the house, and so we brought a tent just in case, which we were actually looking forward to camping anyways. We figured we would end up pitching our tent somewhere. My mom offered for us to pitch our tent in her yard, but we, like I said, we like to seek out those quieter places. And so me and my wife, we decided to go find a little spot off of one of the main highways out there, a mile or two off, and just pitched a tent for a night or two, and that's where we'd stay.

So we got up to Astoria, met with a family, and it was later afternoon, hung out with them for a few hours. and in November, the sun sets quite a bit earlier up here. You're starting to get into shorter days, winters coming, and everything like that. And this is before cell phones and the convenience of having a phone, you could just shake and get a flashlight on and stuff like that. So one thing I realized I forgot was my flashlights. And so we swung by the Fred Myers in Warrington and on our way to go find a campsite. And I picked up a Coleman lantern, propane lantern.

And I'd never set one up. I was in Boy Scouts growing up and stuff. always had the mantles on them and so I never had a tie on myself. And so we grabbed a lantern, grabbed one of those one pound propane canisters and threw it in the trunk with our camping gear and we headed off to go find a spot to camp for a couple days. We drove through Astoria, so we're heading east now on Highway 30, heading towards Sevenson and Rainier and all those little places that are right along the Columbia River there. And we drove 12 to 14 miles. And we drove 12 to 14 miles east out of Astoria and once you get out of Astoria it turns into just logging country a house

here and there sprinkled amongst the forest and everything but pretty open with a lot of little side roads that come off of it so 14-ish miles or so out of Astoria we find a little road to the right and I have tried to remember the name of that road but I just I can't remember the exact name of it and I've looked on the maps and I found the general area I couldn't pinpoint the road but we found this little road and it's getting dusk you know the sun's got maybe an hour worth of light left in it and we find this little road come off of it off of highway 30 go a couple miles up this road and find this little four by four track some of the locals must wheel their trucks on and stuff like that drops sharply off this little gravel road that we turned on to so i pulled the car around figuring

there's going to be a wide spot a camp spot somewhere in there so pulled the car off the side of the road, grabbed our tents, and I didn't bring her backpack, so we were just carrying stuff under her arms. You know, and so my wife had the tent. I had some gallon jugs of water. The lantern's still in the box, still in the box and everything. And we hiked down this little trail. And it comes to a little T-junction. You come down, and then there's a junction. And we went straight and it ended up in these big maple trees. And there was a campsite under there. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. This is Daniel Fischel. And Ryder Strong from PodMeets World. Cat parents unite. We have to look out for each other. Yes, we all know the feeling of being ignored by our little babies a little too well.

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Prices in participation vary. In fact, actually, there was a whole campsite set up in there. There was multiple tents, picnic tables, camp chairs, and on the picnic table, it had stuff set up what you see here. It had people's plates, and there was some food, chips and stuff, and bags. We got in there, and everything was covered in leaves because it's fall time, so the trees are dropping their leaves. And it didn't look like anyone had been in that camp for weeks.

I mean, there was a good covering of leaves over everything. And it was kind of bizarre, you know, and we looked at the situation. We thought it was odd, and we're like, who knows what the deal is. And so we just went back to that junction on that little 4x4 road, and then we took that other leg that came off of it there. At that point in time, I've been carrying these water bottles, these gallon jugs. So I set them down in the middle of that little T-shaped junction. I'm like, well, let's just walk down here, let's see if we can't find a spot to put our little two-person tent.

And we walk 200 feet down that road. And this road is surrounded by brush that's six or seven feet tall. Scotch broom, Himalayan Blackberries, a lot of scrub. Pretty typical to areas that have been logged over a bunch of times. It just turns into a brushing mess. You couldn't walk through this stuff if you wanted to. You know, while walking down this trail, there was just a big enough spot. Probably not much bigger than the footprint that this picnic table takes up.

Clear it off the side of the road there where some of the bushes have got knocked down. and we set the tent up there. And it's getting fairly dark now, and I'm like, I'm going to get that lantern set up. So I unbox it out there and get the thing put together. I put the mantles on, and I didn't burn the mantles. And I didn't know you had to light the mantles and burn them in. So I just assembled it, put the propane canister on there, and lit it.

The propane lantern lit up for about five seconds, and it started burning the mantles down from the top. So it turned to ash, and now you have this heavy weight of the unburned mantle. And I just watched us, both of those socks just disobeysed. disappeared and what little light we had disappeared at that point in time. And so at this point in time, it's it's dusk to the point where you can still see, but it's getting dark. Like you can't read a book that dark. And so I told my wife, I'm like, we're just going to have to camp without the lights tonight. It's not a big deal. And I'm like, I'm going to, I told my wife, I'm like, I'm going to

head back to that junction and pick up our water jugs that I left there. And she said, okay, she started setting up our sleeping bags and stuff in the tent. So I headed back. And I had my little dog with me, Norie. And she backpacked it with us. Such a good dog in the little. where it's super quiet, super calm dog. So we head back to to get the water jugs. And we're walking, and Norrie's falling right behind me, like she always says.

She never runs in front of us. We broke her of that for hiking on trails. And I'm getting closer to these water jugs at this junction. And I can see them up ahead, 60, 70 feet up ahead. And as I get closer, my dog, she kind of puffs up her scruff on the back of her neck. I look down at her and she's been in the wilderness,

tons around bears and cougars. And she's not a very reactive dog. And she kind of growls and I thought it was odd and maybe that kind of put me on alert. And so I said, oh, she, she smells something. And so as I get closer to these water bottles, these gallon jugs, the bushes, the brush on the other side, right immediately, 10 feet behind where these jugs are sitting, that whole shrub line just starts shaking. I mean, shaking so hard that leaves are falling off of them. And Norie goes to run up there and she's growling. And I call her back right away.

She made it five feet in front of me. I called her back. And so I'm sitting there looking at these jugs. And the bush is still shaking a little bit. And it stops. And I just decided, I got this feeling. I'm like, I don't think we need water tonight. So I just turned around.

I left the jugs and made it back to the tent. My wife asked me why didn't have grabbed the jugs. And I'm like, I didn't want to tell her what happened. Because, I mean, it just was kind of an off-putting feeling. I'm like, we'll just get him in the morning. You know, I mean, we had a little water bottle with us. So we still had some water. You know, we'll scram in the morning.

I didn't want to haul them all the way down here. We get in the tent now, and it's completely dark. And we're setting up to go to sleep. We lay down, and within five minutes of laying down, we start hearing things moving through this thick brush. I mean, it started. You could hear it 200 feet away, and stick snapping and rustling, light wrestling, here and there. And, you know, I'm like, well, you know, there's a lot of coyotes here. And there's bear.

And I guess, cougars, too. You know, you usually don't hear the cats. And so we hear this. And my wife's like, oh, you hear that? I'm like, yeah, it's probably some animals moving around through here. And while as we were talking about it, the noises got louder. And it got to the point to where it sounded like there were three or four truck-sized things running through this brush. And they'd run directly to our tent from multiple directions.

And they would stop 20 feet away. And then you just hear the brush go crazy. You know, I mean, as they ran back away. And this went on for 30 to 45 minutes. And they got so close. I mean, they were right outside our tent. And me and my wife were laying there. And just looking at each other.

And she's like, what do you think it is? I'm like, probably coyotes or something like that. And it got pretty intense. It got pretty loud. It's too that point to where if you ever been in tent, you hear something out in the middle of the woods. You get that, I'm just going to lay here and not move a deal. And so we just pretty much laid there and listen to it.

I was pretty nervous about it. It was definitely aggressive. If animals are doing that tea in the woods, it definitely brings your attention to it. And this went on. And, I mean, it was, it was pretty nerve-wracking. When these things would run through the bushes to us, there was no going around brush.

They just ran right through it like a truck. And after 45 minutes, the noises died down. And a couple hours later, we ended up falling asleep. And I woke up in the morning, beautiful morning, and got out of the tent and went for a little walk. And there's this big power line path that leads all the way up to the east side of the river. And that connects up to rain. And I know you've done some stories about rainier up there.

And it was just a really odd experience. And this is the stuff that me and my wife experienced over the decades backpacking and hiking. And like I said, it wasn't until the Finding Bigfoot show came on that we really started putting together what happened. And it was a mix. It was actually exciting like actually getting an answer for what it was because it explained everything perfectly. Listen to people's encounter stories on the East Coast, they were describing the same stuff that we had happened. and the exact same stuff. And I mean, there's just no coincidence

of what it could be. And so we put it together and what it was. And we started thinking about all these experiences we've had in years past. And so I made a little list of some of the stuff I had happened, you know. And so like I said,

we backpacked every chance we could get. And we did that pretty much until we moved out here 11 years ago. And when we moved in here, had a kid our first year in here, and now I run a business. And I don't have as much time to do the backpacking that I used to do.

And 2009, I was still living in, in Eugene, and it was a weekend, so we took our dogs, I too, at that time, Huey and Nory, and we decided to head to the Coast Range to just find a spot out of the way, find a little swimming hole in one of the creeks up there, and this is the area is Wolf Mountain, which is west of Benita, and the coast range is super rugged. They don't have the big mountains that the Cascades have, but you're either going up or down. You're in the bottom of the valley or you're on top of it, and that's how the roads go too. We end up finding this section of land, and

it was actually Warehouserland and they have a gate on it and they say private property no trespassing it's more for hunters and stuff and so we being younger and more rebellious we bypassed the gate and just went around it and we had a lunch packed and we were going to find a little creek it's in the clay creek area and find a little swimming hole and let the dogs play and just spend the afternoon out there and so we hike in a couple miles and end up in at the bottom of this valley where there's a nice creek little swimming hole and a recent clear cut that had been done maybe a year prior You know, so all the big trees were cut down is probably a 100-acre clear-cut, and the clear-cut went straight up this really steep ridge.

And I wanted to get to the top of this ridge to see the view. Well, this clear-cut is flanked by very large trees. And so when you take out a section of these big trees, it opens the forest up. It's dark in the forest. It was a bright sunny day. But you look into the forest, you can see more than 20, 30 feet into it. I just got so dark in there, and that contrast between the bright light and the dark forest. It makes it impossible to see it.

while we're stump jumping, climb up this really steep hill to get up to the top. And I make it about three quarters away up. My wife's a couple hundred feet behind me. She's always a slower hiker. And I start getting this feeling. It was the same feeling I got when I was camped outside of Astoria there, when I abandoned the water jugs. I just got this feeling a little uneasy that I was being watched.

I hadn't heard anything yet. And I put it aside and just continued hiking up the trail. Well, I made it another 50 feet up this steep slope. And you've got to weave through this mess of slash. stomps. It's hard hiking. And as I was making my way up the hill, I hear, I almost sound like a gunshot. A dry chunk of tree, not even a branch, getting snap. Crack! And it's in that big force that's flanking us on either side. And it's probably 100 yards to each edge of this, maybe 150 yards. And I'm like, oh, I've heard, it sounded like a bear moving through the woods. They're pretty

clumsy. They'll step on branches and stuff. I'm like, oh, there's a bear up there. They don't worry me. I've hunted them and been around them and I'm not too worried about the bears. And I'm like, that's what it was. That's a feeling that a guy. So I rode off his hat. continued up and stick started snapping and break in a big tree knocks whack on the side of trees and it was all to the right of me and like I said you look into this forest and it's so dark but I could see there was there was almost like shadows moving back there I could see that there's something in there and it made me really uneasy and at this point I'm only 50 yards from the top of the ridge that I want to get up onto to get my vantage point I stopped there and

I got even more uneasy. And it's just one of those situations I always followed my gut. When I'm in the woods, I always have. And I just felt really uneasy. And it was a turnaround now kind of a thing. And I didn't want to stand where I was standing. And so I turned around and met back up with my wife. She was a little bit lower down the hill.

And I'm like, oh, it just gets so rough and brushy up there. It probably wouldn't be much of a view. I'm like, let's just head back down. And my wife had heard the commotion in the woods seal. And I'm like, oh, I think there's a bear up there anyways. I'm like, let's just head down to the creek and enjoy. So we went back down to the creek and spent the rest of the day probably 300 yards away from where I was at the top of that ridge Just enjoying herself nothing else happened that day but it was the first time that I really started more paying attention to that just that really off-putting turn around now

You know your hair's up on the back of your neck kind of deal and I'd never experienced that hunting or anything you know being around mountain lions and bears and stuff like that I mean you're always on edge when you see them but it's not terrifying That was that borderline terrified so it's been a rest of our day there no big deal but nothing else happened And so the next experience I had was actually later that year. So I was in my early 20s. And Eugene has a hippie influence. And I was into that scene. And so I did small grows years prior to that.

Little closet grows and stuff like that. And like most people did in Oregon, pot was still highly illegal felony for any of it. And my roommate that I was living with at the time, we decided in that year to do a grow out in the forest. And I'm like, we want to pick a spot that's as remote as possible, but has access to where we can get to it and still be able to hike in and not spend five hours hiking into this place. You know, because, I mean, you have to carry the plants up there.

We grew from clones before we planted them, so the plants were already two feet tall before we put them in the ground. And grew in this gross eye, I think we had 60 or 70 little plants. And it was an industrial operation. It was just us kids messing around, having fun out of it, thinking we were going to make millions off this stuff. I know which was never the case. So we find this spot, and Google Maps really was a new thing then. So it was pretty unbelievable to be able to pull up on your computers.

I think my computer is still running Windows 98 or 95 or something like that at that time. Pull up these maps and be able to get these satellite overlays of these areas. And that's what I used to pick the spot where we end up growing this year. and I earmarked a couple sites that were super remote. They were nestling up into the west slopes of the cascades. They weren't super high elevation because you don't want to get too much elevation because you need to get warmer weather in the fall. If you get too high, you're going to get froze out before your plants finish.

You know, and so we go up there that early spring to scout spots to put our plants. And so I go up with my wife and my roommate, Terry, and we go to check out this first spot. And it's about three quarters of a mile of a brushwack off of these logging roads that you drive for 12 or 14 miles. And they're so brushy. Brush is dragging it on the side of your vehicle while you're doing it. You know, and so we get to the spot where I marked it. And this is before GPS and everything. So we always just navigated with Map and Compass.

And the GPS units they had then were expensive and fairly clunky. Gray screen, none of that nice overlay, like not having your tablet out in the woods like it is now. You know, and so we hike into this first spot. that I had marked. And three-quarter mile hike in, kind of picking our way through this forest area. They've been logged several times over. Every time they log, they plant three trees for every tree they cut. So that process, if you repeated it over several times, you can imagine how dense the trees get after they keep on replanting three-to-one on the cutting. This stuff's super dense. And I'm heading for this open spot that I saw on the satellite. It was probably half acre in between all this old,

or this new reef rod, which is what they call the trees that they plant after they log. And we get up into this spot. Finally, it takes, I don't know, 45 minutes of busting brush to get up there. And it's actually a perfect spot to grow. I had a little spring that popped up in the middle, really brushy, some blackberry up in the middle of it, but had enough room to where we would get sunlight, enough sunlight to do what we want to do. As we got into this clearing, I got that feeling again. Same feeling I got when I was over in Wolf Mountain and the same feeling I got out outside Astoria, that they're really uneasy, like you're being watched and really just very uncomfortable. Like you wouldn't want to, you wouldn't want to spend any amount of time up there

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I didn't say anything to my wife or my buddy that was with me about how I was feeling about the spot. We decided not to eat at her lunch there. We spent maybe six or seven minutes in this place before we decided to hike back to the rig. Well, we made it back to the rig and I asked my buddy, I'm like, what do you think about this spot? And he says, well, he's like, the spot's great. He said, but I had a horrible feeling going in there. He said it is super uncomfortable. My wife said the same thing.

And I told them, told them how I felt about it. I'm like, I had the same thing happen. I was just very uncomfortable. That walk back out was worse than anything. Just because it was so thick, you couldn't move faster this stuff. You know, we didn't hear anything or see anything on that trip. But we decided not to grow at that spot. So we got back in the rig, drove up the road another four or five miles.

So where these logging roads really start petering out. And I had another spot marked. And we parked the car. We do, this spot's about. a quarter mile off the road. And so we bushwhack our way to it. And this spot is up on ridges and the hillsides in between the ridge and the valleys.

I mean, they're probably 50-degree slopes. Really steep. So when you're climbing up this, you're grabbing trees and branches and we're heading to this other open spot that we thought might be a good place. Right next to a little creek. We get up there and find that

there's these little terraced where the hillside slumped over the years. These little terrace spots that are pretty flat. And that's the open spots that I was seeing on the map. And there's about five or six of them. They continued down the hill. The creek kind of followed them.

I mean, it was a perfect spot. And I told my buddy, I'm like, this is a spot. And no off-putting feelings or anything like that. On that earlier hike we did in that day, we just no one talked about it. And all the uneasiness seemed to disappear. I'm like, oh, this is going to be the spot. So the next week, I organized a couple of my buddies to help us get our supplies up there. And we got all the stuff up there, all of our plants.

And all of our supplies we're going to need throughout the year. and our schedule was in the summertime every other week on Friday we would leave eugene at about 11 o'clock and we'd drive up to this area which is on the lane county lynn county line up there so it took us about an hour to an hour and 20 minutes to get up drive up to the spot and then it was another we always parked about a mile and a half away from where the spot was even though it was only a quarter mile off the road we don't want to park right below it so we would park and then do about a mile and a half walk in and so it's after midnight and the stipulate that the stipulate that's I had for doing this was one, we never took any guns with us, you know, because one, I didn't want that

to be part of it. And two, like said, back in the day, you got caught doing the stuff. That's just an extra felony thrown on top of it. And so we would go up and hike into the spot and we would do our pruning and our watering and fertilizing and stuff like that and spend a few hours up in, up in the spot in the middle of the night doing it. We'd usually come out about about four o'clock or so in the morning, back to the rig. So as we're doing this through the summer, we started having to have having some strange experiences up there. And we heard the sound of car doors slamming. Just boom. And it only sounded like they were 100 feet away, but there's just no way. There's no cars up there. We walk the roads to this spot. And this spot's at the end of deaden road.

And there's no roads within, besides the one we came in on, there's no roads within three quarters to a mile away from there. And those roads are so brushing anyways. No one's going to be out there in the middle of the night. So we'd hear these car door slam. And we would hear what almost sounded like gunshots occasionally, but they weren't as sharp. I mean, it would just be a loud crack. You know, I mean, maybe, you know,

500 or 600 feet away. And, I mean, me and Terry discussed it. And our rule was, if we ever found that anyone had gotten in there, we found out, you'd just abandon the site and you never come back. And so we just dealt with that through the whole summer, you know?

And, I mean, the corridor thing was the weirdest. It just sounded like a newer car. Not like an 80s square body Chevy. I mean, like a newer car where the door's closed and there's no rattling, you get that loud. Clunk as it closes. Just tons of that. And my buddy Terry was Joe Ryan's, maybe it's haunted up here. And we always had our chuckle about it, you know.

And so later in the year, in late September, going on October, we harvested at the as far into October as we can get it before the frost kicked us out of there. We started going every week and doing our late-night prunings. and it was our last weekend that we were going up there to do our maintenance before we come back and harvest our little crops, which the plants did not do good. They were tall. They were big plants, 10 feet tall, 9 feet tall. But they were so spindly growing in that clay soil.

And we got some stuff off of them, but it wasn't anything you're right home about. And so our end of our season there, a week before we decided to harvest, we go up to do our normal deal. get them pruned up and cleaned up ready to go to take back and haul our bounty back home. And after a long summer of growing these things, we were pretty excited about it. And so we get up there and we do our pruning and all of our stuff that we're doing. I'm up in the upper plot. Terry's in one of the lower plots down there. And it's probably 150 feet separated.

I mean, down this incredibly steep slope. Once you come off those terrace sections, you're going down, your side foot in it on the hills and to get to the next one. While I'm stashing the stuff up at the very top plot, oh, and I should mention. I forgot to mention. We had a couple weeks prior to that, I'd come up there on the top plot, and there's probably 20 plants or so in that top plot. And three or four of them had been ripped out of the ground

and thrown up into the trees. Really? You know, I mean, 15, 20 feet up in tree, there's this whole plant sitting there, and we saw some elk sign. And growing up on ranches, I watched horses grab plants and shake them and throw them. I just like, oh, we might have some elk in here,

picking on this stuff. And we found it odd. We actually discussed actually abandoning in it because of that. I'm like, man, maybe someone's in here. Maybe a hunter had found it, and maybe we should just call it quits and not come back. And so anyways, our last week there, I'm up there at Top Plot, stashing my stuff underneath this Douglas fir tree, the watering containers and stuff like that,

so it couldn't be spot-exed. Because they used helicopters back then. They were flying helicopters all over the place. And as I'm stashing this stuff, the creeks to my back here, and there's a slight open area probably about to the edge of where it drops off right there. and I see out of my peripheral this really dark black shadow just zoomed by. I mean, no brush noise or anything like that just caught my attention. I looked over there and I should also note that our flashlights that we used,

we didn't use really bright flashlights, you know, for obvious reasons. Right. You know, so I had LED headlamps just started coming out. I don't know if you ever bought the first generation LED headlamps. No. They were blue, bluish, purplish colored. and you couldn't see 10 feet on a nice night with those things. There was enough light to work in.

And plus that wavelength too, I mean, it just really mess with your depth perception. You can't see it drowns out some of the colors and textures of things. So anyways, I see this, the shadow move. And it gets my attention. And so I sat there for a couple minutes listening and I didn't hear anything. And so I was like, maybe this is an elk moving through there really quick or so much, which I mean, it would have made a lot of noise if this is an elk. But that's the explanation I came up.

that time. So packed the stuff up and put my backpack on, clicked on my crappy REI headlamp, and went down to, started heading down to Terry. And about the time I started coming off that first plot to come down towards where Terry was, I started hearing brushbreaking. It started about 150 feet above me on the hillside, right where that shadow, that dark figure had ran to. And I would start walking and it would start walking. And I mean, At first it was pacing. I was going the same speed I was going. But I mean, in the thick brush, moving.

So you hear it. I mean, just like walking through thick brush, snapping, crackling. It wasn't rushing at that point. And I would stop and it would stop. As I got closer to Terry, down there in the lower plot, it started picking up. Every time I started moving, it started getting faster and faster. And so this thing started pretty much running to me. And when I would stop, a couple seconds later, it would stop.

But every time it would get closer. And I got that feeling again. I'm like, oh man, here we are, middle of the night, a couple three inch, three and a half inch pocket knives. You know, and I make it down Terry, I'm like, hey, I just want to let you know. When I was up there top plot, I don't know if there's a bear or an elk, I saw something move up there, and it was moving down the hill with me when I was going. And Terry hadn't heard it at that point. And he's like, well, okay. And I'm like, let's grab our stuff.

And let's take the shortcut. Let's just go straight down the steepest parts, and let's just get onto the road and get back to the car. So we, as soon as we started walking through that bottom plot, this. thing started running again and Terry looks at me and he says what the hell is that I'm like that's what I was talking about I'm like it'll be fine I'm like do not freak out and run I'm like if it's a bear or a cougar I'm like it will chase you if you run I'm like it'll be fine I've dealt with animals in the woods before and I've never had an issue I'm like you just need to be cool about it and so we start moving down again and this thing starts running and and every time it I mean it

sounds like a truck driving down this hill just snapping breaking trees like trees that were in there were 20-year-old, 15-year-old reprod. So they're all about this big round. About six to eight inches, you know, at the base. And Douglas fir, they grow in pretty thick, and these things are thick in there, you know. So you can't see more, usually, especially once you get off these plots, you can't see more than five or six feet in front of you before you have a tree and branches.

And you can see the gaps in between there. We start making it off this edge, and this thing starts coming. And now it's within 75 feet-ish of us. And we start and stop multiple times. And I told Terry, I'm like, take your knife out. And it takes out this little pocket knife. I'm in front. And I pulled my pocket knife out.

And I'm like, I told Terry, I'm like, if this animal comes down and starts attacking, I'm like, you stab it until it stops attacking. And I'll make sure I do the same for you. And Terry, look quite nervous. I'm like, but do not run. And Terry's okay. You know, and so we stop and listen. We don't hear anything.

We start walking. And again, this thing starts coming. And now it's coming. It's just coming with a vengeance. And we stop. And this time. It doesn't stop. And it's just coming.

We're sitting there looking up the hill. I mean, time seems to slow down in those moments. It's just coming towards it. And you're thinking about all these movies you watch and everything about these animals coming and grabbing you. You have nowhere to go, nowhere to run. You can't move over this terrain. The only thing to do is stand there and just prepare.

And so I'm down in the ready. And this scene's coming and it's coming. And my heart rate's sitting there pumping. It's a chilling night. So as I'm exhaling, my breath is a nice still night too. My breath is just coming up and wrapping over my headlamp. So I'm exhaling to the side so I can see and get the condensation from my breath out of my field of view. And this thing is just running straight at us.

And I'm sure we're about to get attacked by whatever it is. You know, and so I'm down ready. It's brush snap and breaking closer stops about 10 feet in front of me, directly in front of me. And so I'm sitting there looking straight ahead, kind of slightly hunched down, kind of in that that batter's position, you know, ready to go. and this thing stops and the noise stops and looking through the trees with this crappy headlamp in between the Douglas fir branches, there's gaps. And I can see this blackish fur.

And it's got a little bit of a shine to it. I'm looking and as I move my headlamp up, I see these splotches of fur. And I get to about eight feet, where I'm looking up about eight feet tall, just 10 feet in front of me, and I can see black. first still and and I can see these lighter patches and I think I was looking at his chest.

So I sat there with my knife ready. My buddy Terry had his hand on my shoulder behind me and just waiting for this thing to come the rest of the way and confront us. And we sat there for probably six or seven seconds just staring at it and all of a sudden I hear it shuffle and it turned and when it turned I saw this light flash come through and I think what I saw was its palm and it was about the size of a baseball mitt like an adult's baseball mitt it's just this flash that went through this crappy line I was really cussing that headlamp all I wanted to do was see you just want to you can't run and you want to be able to see and this thing turned and you can hear it on two legs taking these huge steps going down this really steep slope and I mean it disappeared out of earsh

within five seconds just just disappeared and We sat there for another minute. And I told Terry, I'm like, let's head back to the truck. You know, and so we hiked out of there, headed back to the truck. And anyways, we ended up going back the next week and finished up our plants and stuff. And, you know, I mean, I didn't know what to think of it. And I really never, we chatted about a little bit on the way back to town. But I just didn't know what to think about it and really didn't have a firm place to put this experience.

you know and and so time goes by and and it just was one of those odd experiences and then like said once that that show came on TV finding bigfoot and stuff I'm like yeah I was a bigfoot standing in front of me I saw a big foot and years later actually a few years later Terry now lives in Idaho and I went to buy that camper over there because I had a really good deal during the pandemic and so we drove over to Boise and I hadn't seen Terry and and seven or eight and probably even longer that maybe 10 years. And so we meet up with them in town while I'm waiting for the paperwork done on the camp trailer. And it was on my mind because now I knew I had put all this stuff together and I had a pretty good idea about what was going on to us out there. And I talked to

Terry about him. Like, hey, you remember that grove we did out in Lane County line? He's, oh yeah, I asked Terry. I'm like, remember that thing that chased us down the hill? He's oh yeah, I remember that. I'm like, what did you see? Because I never asked Terry what he saw. And he says, I didn't see anything because I was behind you. When I just hunched down, I'm like, you didn't see the thing standing right in front of us. And Terry's like, I didn't see it. I was actually a little disappointed. I'm like, man.

And maybe it's a good thing you didn't see it. Because Terry was pretty spooked. And walking back on that road, I mean, you know, I heard it run off. And that uneasiness just left. I was just back in the woods again. But yeah, it was incredible. And I don't know the whole door slamming thing and stuff like that, like how they make noise. But it's so distinctive.

And I've heard that many times before. in places where you wouldn't expect to hear it. And I don't know if it's them smacking their chest and making a big exhale. But it's pretty incredible sound. Mimicry. I think these things mimic the sounds that they hear. And I don't know why they do it.

It seemed territorial, obviously, because I mean, it's running out there, but why waited all summer? With having those noises around us all summer, I don't know. But made it out of there unscathed with another experience. And so where am I at here? So I'm at, okay. So the next year, I kept on the,

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venture. It was just kids being kids. But anyways, backpacking was my true passion. And that kind of took away from backpacking.

So me and my wife was she my girlfriend then. we found the spot in South Sister or Three Sisters Wilderness. This is on the western slopes of the mountains there in the Lamb of National Forest, probably 35 miles, 40 miles fast crow to fly from here. Just an absolutely gorgeous area. In my opinion, being around the state and backpacking the whole state,

it's some of the prettiest hiking you can find in Oregon. And Linton Meadows in particular, it's this meadow system that comes off, the PCT runs on the top side of it. and this meadow system drops for miles and miles below it. So you get these terrace lava flows that have huge meadows, 200-acre meadows, and they open up to South Sister, this huge volcanic mountain that's got glaciers on it, and South Sister has a lot of red rock in it. It's just absolutely stunning.

We actually end up getting married out there. That's where my wife, we did a wilderness wedding. You know, I got my brother ordained and hiked in my in-laws. You can only take 12 people in the wilderness. And I was starting to get into guiding at this point in time, so I was running some nonprofits. as a guide and taking a bunch of people out. And so I had tons of gear for backpacking.

And me and my wife decided we didn't want a church wedding. But anyways, we chose a spot because it's so pretty. And it's off the beaten path. A lot of people might day trip it if they're out there backpacking. But it's 13 miles to the nearest trailhead. And it's hard hiking. So Eileen Lake was our main destination. So we go in.

It's about 2010. And we always like later season. hikes. So it was September, maybe a couple weeks into September, and we picked that because one of the crowds are less, and the bugs leave. The mosquitoes can be horrendous out there all the way through August. And it's such a pretty

spot. It sucks if you've got to spend your time under mosquito netting. And so we hike in, just me and my wife, and spend all day hiking. It is a hard hike. I mean, my packs were heavier than they should have been. I was probably carrying 70 pounds. My wife is probably carrying 55 or 60. She's a trooper.

She could put miles on. And I never complains about it and she I introduced her to backpacking so she cut her teeth with it with me and it was just it was such a great experience so we hike in to linton meadows and it takes us all day to get into there by the time we get into linton meadows a super dry year we were running low in water we had been out of water for the last few miles and i knew there were springs down there in linton meadows so our plan was to just get into where the meadows start and post up camp find some water and then the next morning hike the rest of the mile and a half to Island Lake, which is our destination. We were going to spend about a week and a half out there. So we drop into the meadow and the sun's got about an hour and

half worth left a light on it. I think it's dark quick up there because everything's so up and down and we're in this valley. You can be a couple hours away from sunset and be in complete shade and darkness. So we set up our, we come into this meadow and it's one of the larger meadows that are up there and you get out of the trees and all of a sudden the views open up and there's a mountain. I mean lit up by the setting sun, alpine glow. It's just it, it, it, you know, it, you, it's, it, You know you're going to be spending a week and half up there and you have nothing to do, and it's the best feeling. And we're tired, we're thirsty. We find a little spring that's trickling right by the trail as we enter the meadow.

So we set our tent up right where this meadow starts to open up. And there's these little tree peninsula that open up into the meadow. So you get these little kind of jets of trees that come out in between the meadow. So we camped about 50 feet away from the edge of this tree line, right where you come into the meadow, where you first start to get to the meadows, set our tent up, got wall. feather dogs there they're dehydrated dog backpack packing food and made our dinner and we're sitting in our camp chairs shoes off just enjoying it and we're looking across the meadow on the other side and the metal runs up this really steep hillside and as we're eating our dinner this whole herd of deer i've never seen so many blacktail dare out there but this whole herd of probably

12 deer just explode out of the woods you know through the pass the trail that we came in on probably 100 feet away from us and they are running full board and they run straight up this hillside. I mean you'd have to use you know you'd have to use all fours to climb up that mountain side. I mean it was steep. You can see this thing. They are just running

and I told my wife I'm like oh something's chasing those things. Mountains and mountain lions and bears are really common up there and so I'm like probably cat chasing them and so we just sat there and watched him run and we're like oh that's cool like really cool and we finished our meal our dogs were done. We make them carry their gear

And humans can walk way farther than dogs you. A 13 mile day for a dog in that heat, it was really hot. They were ready for bed. So open up the tent. They go in. They go to sleep. We finish cleaning up camp. And we get in our tent.

And we didn't see anyone hiking in there. We didn't see anyone the last probably eight miles. So there's no one in the meadow system. There's no sign of people in there, no noise. It gets dark. Starts getting dark. And we're laying in the tent. And we hear.

what sounds like someone's splitting firewood just the driest firewood crack it was so loud echoing off this these huge meadow walls this meadow is probably three-quarters of mile across you just hear it echoing and i knew that there's a another camping area about about a quarter mile up the trail on this other tree this tree island that's in the middle of the the meadow system there's really pretty spot to camp so i assume people were camping there and this wood splitting went on for 45 minutes or more, you know, loud. I mean, just loud. I was remarking to my wife, man, I'm like, that's almost sounds like gunshots. It's so loud. And it started getting closer to us, to the point to where the sounds of this, what we thought was wood being split, was 100 feet into the trees that we are

now camped next to them, like there were people camped in there. So we hear that wood splitting, crack, right in there. And it was odd. And I'm like, man, we didn't see anyone in there. And we're right right next to where this is happening now. I'm like, it doesn't really make much sense that they're moving around, splitting firewood. But we chalked it up to people being out there camping. And the wood splitting stopped after about 45 minutes, that noise anyways. And then we started hearing this sound that thump-thump, on that ground up there, being volcanic and made it with a lot of pumice, a lot of air pockets in the ground. And when you run on that stuff, you can hear the footsteps, even humans walking on, people walking on it. But it wasn't.

footprints or footsteps it was rocks being thrown towards our tent big rocks football size softball size rocks boom boom boom and these rocks got closer and closer I mean to the point to where they were hitting five feet away from our tent and I told my wife I'm like you know what I'm like these are these are drunk out here camping I'm like we come out here to get away from people and here we are we end up setting up right next to someone I'm like you know if if this continues I'm going to go out there and talk to them my wife's oh don't go out there and and get in a fist fight in the middle of the forest. I'm like, there's plenty of room for these people to go camping.

Here they are camping right next to us, and being drunk throwing rocks at her tent. So this continues, and it gets closer to the tent, and I'm like, I'm going to go out there and talk to them. So I started getting up, and my wife just leave it be. I'm like, if they hit her tent, I'm going out there. And so we listen to this rock throwing, go on for 30 to 45 minutes. It's well dark now, and the rock throwing stops.

And a few minutes later, we hear three or four things standing maybe 25 feet away from our tent, in between our tent and that tree line. You can hear them talking. But it's not a discernible language. It's super low. And the best way I heard it described is if someone was talking in a really deep voice and you played it backwards. You catch sections of it and then it is so low in frequency. Like parts of it would drop out from what you can hear.

even then you pick it back up and you could hear these things chattering back and forth right outside our tent and probably only lasted a couple minutes and then it was quiet the rest of the night in the morning we woke up early so we wanted to get up and get to island lake so we were up and out of the tent by six and i decided to hike into that tree area where i were the people were i thought people were camping and there's no campsite in there there's no sign that anyone was ever camping in there but around our tent were quite a few large rocks that weren't there in the morning. You can see where they hit on the pumicey ground and skidded. And like said, it was, I just assumed it was people, but there was no people there.

And so we packed up a tent and hiked up to Eileen Lake and spent our week or so time up there enjoying herself, never had anything else happen up at Linton Meadows, that whole trip. Our first trip into Lenton Meadows, by the way, we hiked from the Cascade Lakes highway side of it. So it was a 16 or 17 mile hike. I ended up taking a wrong turn and ended up adding a couple miles to it. And our first hike in there, just the only other thing I've had to happen, our first time up there, we went to Husband Lake, made it in there. We were whipped.

The dogs were whipped. They were laying down in the shade every time we stopped, so it was time to stop. Our goal is to get to Eileen Lake. And that was our first time up there. We camp on this huge rock outcropping that overlooks this lake. And after we set up the tent, this five-point blacktailed deer just comes out of the bushes. And it's within 10 feet of our tent. And I have my two dogs there.

And they're not ground or barking. They're watching this deer. It's just clopping around. It was so close I could have reached out and touched this animal. It made me a little uneasy about the health of this animal. And it's getting later in the year, too, so possibly could have been rut. And so I told my wife, I'm like, just don't mess with it. And it'll go away.

It hung around our tent well into the evening, to the point to where the sun had dropped down. In fact, actually, I was laying in there. And it was sniffing the tent. And it ended up laying down. right outside of our tent, feet away from us, laying down. And I never put two and two together, but I think what it was is that, that deer had been being chased, and it was around us for safety. And that's my speculation on it anyways.

Really odd. Yeah, you could have gotten that thing with a slingshot. Boy, it would have been hunter's dreamt people. It was a nice looking buck. It was a beautiful buck. But, yeah, so that was my experiences in Litton Meadows there. And I spent a lot of time in that area. A lot of time in that area, in fact, actually years later.

me and my buddy that I ended up starting the back hiking guide service with, we bushwhacked eight miles from Lenton Meadows, no trail route to get to, or Linton Lake, to get to the meadow section. And it's super rugged. I mean, you're going up steep hillsides that are just covered in eight to ten foot rhododendron. And I remember on my hike up there that I end up coming across tree structures in there. And it's just in the middle of absolutely nowhere. where no one hikes, you know, I mean, you might get a hiker through there once every 10 years.

You know, someone like us that was really pushing what they wanted to do. Miserable hike up. Beautiful, though. Multiple tree structures up in, their big trees piled up on each other. I always thought it was odd. I mean, it wasn't tree fall. I mean, someone had stacked it, you know, and I just thought it was odd. But that area up there ended up burning later in a fire around 2015 or so. I think there was a big fire up there, and it burnt through a lot of that stuff up there. And I actually went, took my family on a week-long backpacking trip up there the following year.

Or maybe it's two years after that fired burn. Actually, my neighbor has a little airplane. So I actually traded off some work with him. And he took me on a flight so I could do reconnaissance to make sure it wasn't. We weren't just going to be hiking through a complete burn for a week. And it's a beautiful area. But yeah, I took my family up there. And they really enjoyed it.

Half of them had already been up there for my wedding that we did up with those lakes. And, yep, never had anything else that happened up there. And then 2011, Dime Peak Wilderness. So that's just east of us. You go out Hills Creek and I don't know where you've been around here, but I wouldn't be surprised if you went out that direction because that's a great direction to go. But east of Eugene or east of Oak Ridge,

you run into Dime Peak Wilderness. You know what I mean? It's a big mountain you can see when you're driving up the highway. Oh, okay. I get it. Yep, Snow Peak, Captain, everything. And there's a beautiful loop in there. And I really like, love backpacking in that area.

And so we were, it's my first time doing the wilderness loop, and it's about a 30 mile loop, and we like take about a week to do them. And so it was my wife, me, and my buddy Ryan from Pendleton that I went to school with. We started out from Trapper Creek Trailhead, which is my Shelter Coe Resort there on Odo Lake. And our second night, we ended up at Marie Lake. Well, me and my wife had just bought a brand new REI backpacking tent. I mean, it was the Big Agnes SL. It was a $600 tent. really nice piece of gear. I only weighed two and a half pounds. It was so nice to really get her

pack weight trimmed down, you know, so we could do these bigger trips and not die doing them. And so we set up at Marie Lake, and there's one camp spot. Now it's at the front side of the lake there. There's another one you got to bushback too on the other side, but there's no one in the first spot, so we took it. No people around or anything like that. We set up on the grassy area in between the campsite that was in the woods, about 100 feet from the side of the lake. We were about 50 feet closer to the lake in the grassy area that leads right to the lake. edge and we did our thing, went to sleep. I had my two dogs with me, Yui Nori, and we wake up in the morning and my wife's side of the tent, it's got a full rainfly on it. It's a heavy duty tent

for backpacking, three and a half plus season tent. It's stout. This thing can take some storms. And we wake up and the rainfly is ripped on her side. The zippers ripped out of the seam on her side. The mesh body of the tent, which is all mesh. Her zipper side was ripped open, destroyed the zipper and there is urine on top of this tent. It was about probably close to five and a half feet tall at the peak of the tent. Just about tons of the stinky urine on it. And I was pretty pissed off. A brand new tent that just got ripped up and shredded.

And I don't know why I didn't wake up. My dogs didn't alert us. My wife didn't alert us. And she was on that side of the tent. I was actually just talking to her about this the other night. I'm like, and we just didn't know what to think about what happened with the tent. So we taped it back together to make the trip work. And the funny thing is, where it was ripped, like, that's my wife's side.

I'm like, yeah, now that I didn't know what was going on, I'm like, you could have had something reaching in over the tent on you. I don't know why we didn't wake up, you know, that's the only weird. You know, I'm not much on the woo side of the phenomenon, but that's unexplainable. See, you're going to hear that stuff. That rip stop nylon to be able to rip it. I mean, it's loud. If you rip it, it's super loud. And man, at least for the dog, still alert.

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And it was so nice to get back out of the city. It's been a decade plus in Eugene, was all the city, all in need for the rest of my life. And so we got up here. I know this area well. And we started as we were living up here. We explored it like I did, Eugene, when I first got out here. And now that I was living up here, I could just leave out my back door. And in 15 minutes, I could be at wilderness.

Wilderness edge. And it was just so much to see and do. So we decided to check out Huckleberry Lake, which is just up the road from us. It's about 11 miles from here, probably 12 miles. Not very far. It takes about 20 minutes or so to get up there. And it's this little lake that isn't used a lot. So we pull off at this trailhead, really brushy road.

So you're driving a truck down. Everyone calls a cascade pinstriping. here. Anyone that's out in the woods up here and drive, you can tell by looking at the truck what they do, because everyone's got the scrape marks from these branches dragging down the side of their vehicle. So we find this trailhead and this lake drops, this lake's in this bowl that sits well below the road and it's backed up by this big 1,000 foot tall cliff that makes Huckleberry Mountain. There's a fire lookout up on top of it, which you can't see from the lake. But I had, my boys were probably about two years old at the time.

So we had them in backpack carriers. Abby was three and a half or four. And I usually opened Carrie. When I started hiking with my kids, I started just bringing a gun just in case. Not scared or worried about anything. I just felt like it was a smart move to make, especially where we went and the stuff we did. And so we hiked down to this lake and come up to it.

And it's really brushy. There's just a big enough spot to get out of the brush to see the lake when you first come down to it. And there's this really faint fisherman's trail that goes around the east side of the lake. And it takes you through this rhododendron thick. get seven, eight foot tall, rhododendron thicket, and you're stepping over logs, and you get to the outlet creek, and you got to walk a log to get over the outlet creek to this semi-established camp spot that's at the end of the lake. And it's up in these bigger trees, the rhododendron there, so there's a spot to put a tent. We hung out there and had lunch. The kids splashed

around in the lake. We spent probably an hour there, and I started getting that uneasy feeling again. And my wife, I know she was packing up stuff. I'm like, well, you're ready to get out of here? And she says, yep. So we put the boys back in the backpack carriers. I had one. And my wife had the other boy on her back. And my wife led the way out. And so I had Abby in front of me. And as we're walking, we cross that outlook creek and we get back into the really thick rudder dendron. And that feeling that I got like when I was scouting some of those grossites over there, it came back on. I just hit instantly. I was like, oh, man, I just want out of here. I just want to get back to the truck and get out of here. And it was so strong on that trip that I, Abby was about about 20, 30 feet in front of me. I told her to come back towards me, and I actually unholstered my gun and took it off safe and just kept it at the ready on the side. And just waiting to see it.

My wife was in eyesight, and we walked through there. Just a horrible feeling. Absolutely horrible feeling. I don't know if you've ever experienced that. Yeah. It's just, and you're in it too when you're out there. You're not going to run from it. So you just deal with it and slowly move on.

But boy, is it uncomfortable. My hair was up on the back of my neck. And I'm just sitting there, they're waiting for something to come out. I'd stop every minute or so and just listen, I never heard anything, but the feeling got stronger as the deeper, the deeper we made into those rodendrons.

And we made it back to where the trail dropped into the lake, and then you switch back up this ridge, back to the road. And we get up there, load the kids up, load the backpacks up. And I asked my wife, I'm like, what did you think of that lake? You'd probably go backpacking there.

It's right out of her back door. And my wife says, she said, I never want to go back down there again. She said, I got the worst feeling coming out of there. and that's when I told her that I experienced the same thing. I'm like, yeah, I actually unholstered my gun. I had it off unsafe and called Abby back to me because it just felt so imminent.

So imminent. Yeah, it was unbelievable. I actually, years later, I actually teased the idea of going down there with my buddy, which you met a small down there. Because he's had his experiences. And he's actually so frightened by his experiences that he hasn't really gone camping since then. And I never stopped camping.

And the more I know about this, a little bit more apprehensive, I am about putting myself in these vulnerable situations. But we were actually going to go up there and camp at that lake. Just me and him, just to understand this a little bit more, I've had so many encounters with this. And now that I was starting to wake up to what was going on, I wanted with some clarity to experience this and get some more answers. And we ended up having a massive fire, Cedar Creek fire, burnt through that year. We were going to go up there. I mean, that couple weeks later was when we were planning on camping it.

And Cedar Creek Fire burnt through in 2021. And it just cooked all that area. Huckleberry burned. and the lake around it burnt. I haven't been up there since. They've had the road close off. I think it's back open now, but I wouldn't imagine it would be the same kind of place to go to. Plus camping under burnt out trees that have been there for a couple years isn't the best decision to make.

Yeah, it's right out our back door. And same right out my back door. My property backs up to National Forest. There's private lots around us, but we're this little tongue of houses that are spread out all on big plots of land, like what we have. You know, we probably have one of the smaller chunks of land out here at 14 acres, you know, almost everyone else has, you know, 60 to 100 acres. But outside of that,

it's just national forest. And when I first moved up here, the logging that you saw coming up the road, that hadn't happened. So it was a continuous, thick stretch of, of nice 80 to 100-year-old trees that had grown up here. I mean, you're just driving the trees the whole way. So I worked in Eugene at the time, and I always did side jobs. So I'd take customer side jobs in on chain saws, generators, or whatever, just to make some money on the side. And when I get home, I would go out to the shop up there, the red shop, and I would work on these things. And sometimes I'd be out there until midnight or later. And as I working out there, I had this happen eight or nine times. I'd be out there working the middle of the night and something would come and hit the side of that

shop so hard. I mean, it shook that whole, yeah, that whole shop. I mean, that whole shop would shake. Hard enough to where it's a two-story, two-story barn, essentially. You know, hard enough to where dust would fall through the slats from the upper upper story. Andia, you know, I thought it was an animal upstairs a couple times. So I went up there with a pry bar waiting to club a raccoon or something, but there was never anything up there. And now I realize it was probably being harassed and chased by these things. But I got that feeling a couple times up there when I shut it down and walked back to the house late at night.

I got that same kind of creepy feeling that I'd get it that I've had at Huckleberry Lake and other times. And once the logging kicked in there the last six years or so, a lot of that seemed to have gone away. But of course, I don't spend late nights out there doing it anymore. You know, I run my business from my property now. So I mean, I'm already doing 40, 50 hour weeks out there. So I'm not out there at 11 o'clock or 12 o'clock a night anymore. But really interesting stuff. And at that point in time, I was pretty well aware about what was going on. And I felt pretty lucky to have the stuff so close for a guy that's looking for some answers and clarity on it. I don't have to go two hours away to find the answers for the stuff that's happened to me.

And recently here in December of last year, I went to up to Kitsen or a CT Beach area and explored with the kids. And there's a little bridge that goes across one of the arms of the reservoirs in the wintertime. They drain the reservoirs for flood control. And so what would normally be underwater is just back down to mud banks and the river that used to feed the reservoir body. And I took the kids there after Christmas. It was a few days after Christmas, so December 28th, 29th. And it was a stormy, snowy day. But I wanted to get out and do some explore. And so we went down there and hiked down to the river, parked on top of the, no cars, no people around us. And while we're down there, we got almost sounded like gunshots,

these sharp cracks ringing out through the woods. And I almost assumed that someone was up to shooting. So the kids came running over to me, and we're down lower elevation from the noise is happening. And I'm like, it might be someone over there, maybe shooting their pistol or something like that, you know, so we end up hiking out of there. I had to cross the bridge. I was going to go talk to these people about, you know, making sure that they're shooting the safe direction and stuff like that. And so we get over there and there's no cars on the other side of the bridge. And the only road going in there is a really narrow paved road. There's no other roads above it. And it wasn't thinking about it. It wasn't someone up there shooting their gun because people

are out there shooting their pistols. It didn't sound like a high powered rifle. It was definitely a pistol. It sounded more like a pistol. And when people are shooting their pistols, they'll go, bang, you know what I mean? This is just like, crack. Crack. And then, I needed to change directions where it's coming from in another portion of the wood. But we loaded up in the truck and we went a little further down the road in this place called Kitson Hot Springs. It's administrated and owned by BSA now. It's a little chunk of private lamb that's nestled in the national forest there. They used to have old Hot Springs house there.

I don't know if you made your way up there, but oh man, it's super cool. Super cool place. This was right after the CT Beach incident. And so we go in there and I always wanted to explore it. and they have the old hot spring foundation for the lodge that they used to have. There's still hot water coming up through there and really cool area. We hiked across this little bridge and there's these three side of shelters that the Boy Scouts used to use for their summer jamborees and stuff like that.

And in the mud on these trails and these roads that ran on the other side of there, there were old footprints, big ones, 16, 17-inch footprints. They were small footprints. They were all over the place in there from fresh to ones that you tell had been up there for a few weeks. And I know people have had run-ins and encounters up there before. And I've never cast at a track. And I'm planning on going back up there later in the year and when things slow down. And I want to find a good track to add a cast in my collection.

So I've had other stuff happen to me. I've had the classic wood knocks and stuff like that happen. I've never heard screams or yells. I've had buddies that have. I'm the guy that you met. But I never had other than the murmuring that I heard at Lenton Meadows. That's the only audible noise I've ever heard from. And also, I want to note something, too, I never have had the smell.

Never. Yeah, okay. That's really interesting. Yep. And people talk about it. And I have never, when I've had these run-ins, I have never smelt that smell that people describe. And maybe it was the way the wind was blowing.

But for me, in my situations that I ran into, smell wasn't part of it. It just wasn't. Yeah, that's a rundown of what I've experienced since 2008. And like I always tell. Some of my friends that know my stories that I don't backpack. They're always really curious about it. And I think about how many nights I've spent out camping and the remote spots that I've gone to. And you have to be out there so much.

99.9% of the time, you're not going to have anything happen. It's at 0.1% of the time that this stuff happens. And it's such an oddball event that you don't really think much of it. People are always like, oh, why don't you go out there and just see what it is? You have to be in the situation to understand it. You really have to be in there. And it's just so close to what humans would sound like that that's what I think it gets rid off more than not as people just thinking they're hearing other people out there. Maybe more people would be surprised.

That may not always be the case. Kevin, thank you so much for sharing your years of things that have happened all over the state, which just is incredible. Do you have a few minutes if I could ask you a few questions? Sure. Okay. In the Diamond Peak Wilderness incident, we had discussed that at the booth, but it's really interesting to hear more details about it. There was actually a lot of urine that was gathered at the top of the tent. Yeah, because when the fly got torn, has a full-covered rainfly that goes over the main body of the tent.

As most modern backpack intents look like this, it has this hub system where the poles cross over on top. So it creates a flatter spot on top. If the fly is not zipped up, it loses that tension. get a little low spot that kind of forms in the top when it's unzipped. Yeah, and there was that yellowish urine that was up on the top side of it. That's what I was going to ask. If you remembered any details, being in a wilderness individual, you probably are aware of what kind of urine from different creatures in the forest looks like. And so this was, you said, a yellowish color? It was yellowish. It was urine. I mean, the only animal I know of

around here that could possibly deposit. something like that up there would be male cougars, you know, and they spray. They can spray pretty far. They can put their markings five feet up on a tree and stuff and they back up to it and pretty gross future and stuff. Bigfoot Society will be right back after these messages. This is Daniel Fischel. And Ryder Strong from PodMeets World. Cat parents unite. We have to look out for each other. Yes, we all know the feeling of being ignored by our little babies a little too well. Yeah, I often wonder to myself, does my cat even love me? Well, there's only one solution to solve that. Sheba. Feed your cat Sheba and go from

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But, yeah, it was pooled in the rainfly that was down on the ground. And it's on the side that was ripped out. And I tease my wife about that. Like, there you are sleeping and imagine you might have this big hand reaching. I couldn't imagine that it wouldn't have reached into the tent. I'm like, pretty incredible. And I've always entertained the idea of taking a game camera with me when I'm going out backpacking now. But I just, I don't know if they can detect it.

I don't speculate too much on that. But the fact that there's just very few game camera pictures that are going to be credible enough to even want to talk about, I think it would lessen your chances of experience anything. We had discussed Spirit Lake at the booth, right? That's come up with a few individuals, and I've talked to people before I got here about a lot of different encounters that have happened in that area. Were you the individual that had talked about the sticks in Spirit Lake? Have you heard about that? I've heard people have had strange run-ins up there.

I mean, hence the namesake of the Lake, Spirit Lake, Devil's Canyon, and all these places. I guess condesate from the Chinook jargon of the Indians that were around here. But no, I've camped up there quite a bit. I'm very remote. That part's all burnt up in the Cedar Creek now. That's all a big burn scar up there. No, I've camped up there plenty. I haven't had any run-ins up there.

But I will say the times that I've camped up there, it's been with my group of backpacking buddies. We all drag her campers up. They have kids that are my age, and there'll be 18 of us up there. And going in big groups and backpacking with big groups, there's just too much noise, in my opinion. It only happens when you're being quiet.

and I think smaller groups, maybe it's more approachable. But I could see it. I mean, there's plenty of, I've had locals that have told me about stuff that's gone on up there. You know, and I know that area carries a lot of that kind of, those kind of stories. The specific thing I want to make sure that I remember to put on recording is I had multiple hunters say that they've been there in around dusk or nighttime. All the sticks that are in the lake will go to the center of the lake, form a circle, and then start rotating in a circular fashion. which magnetic field or just high strangeness it's it seems like a really interesting area yeah definitely i've hiked into spirit lake once it was actually right before the summer before cedar creek burnt

it up there and i just wanted to check it out and it's a beautiful lake the hike going in there it's absolutely was absolutely gorgeous huge trees but yeah we got up there and there's a big meadow on one end of it and i didn't see anything unusual it is a beautiful lake though absolutely beautiful I've been around a lot of these mountain lakes. I can't say I've ever seen any weird anomalies with sticks floating around and swirling in the middle of a lake. But come evening time, you get these inflows and outflows of air that move through these valley systems.

So during the daytime, as lowlands heat, the wind moves up valley. And as it cools, that colder sinks back down. And Spirit Lake's kind of in this bowl. And so, I mean, if you ever watch the wind come in on these lakes, you can actually almost see the, you can actually see the ripples on the lakes. It actually hits the lake from some. straight up on top and billows out and around. If I saw something like that, I would probably attribute it more to that.

I'm not saying that these guys didn't experience something. That was strange. Kevin, this has been an incredible interview, and thank you for your hospitality for allowing me to come out to your beautiful home area. The woods are literally just on the side of your yard, and it's like everything is right here. And thank you so much for your hospitality. Oh, no problem.

It was a pleasure meeting you. All the way from Iowa, too. So what do you think? You think you come back to Pacific North? for more Bigfoot adventures? I think it is definitely just beginning, and I don't think this is the last time that I will be in Oak Ridge, for sure. I might have a couple questions for you on this side.

You being from Iowa, we talked about your experiences that you experienced in your neck of the woods over there. How does it rate for your Iowa and Bigfoot experiences compared to what you've experienced in the last few days here in this area? What I experienced just outside of Oak Ridge has blown everything that I've ever experienced out of the water. Because we experienced things like growl slash screen vocalizations right next to the meadow. We were at. I found a track by where a visual had been seen just a day before, and then we were up there.

And he was able to really analyze the area for about 45 minutes to an hour. and he found a solid set of tracks. And these are like, splayed, how you have the tracks where, like, really spread out like that. Like, I actually saw that in real life. And I was like, oh, these can be legit. Usually those tracks look like they're faked, but, like, it was there.

I saw it. They were not casted. The way that it was, what it was stepping over would have made it extremely hard to be casted. But there's no doubt. there was, did I tell you about the apple, the fruit? Okay, so yeah, the apple and the orange and banana that was left from the grip the day before. And we went back and the apple was left there uneaten and the orange was on the ground uneaten.

But the banana was on the ground and peeled and eaten and just things like that never experienced stuff like that in Iowa. I have had some things happen, but like it is a totally different world out here. And you do have to be really careful. You go out there and there's no cell service. There's huge predators. You get a flat or your car blows up. You have to hike back to town at least 20 miles. And there's not many chances out here for sure.

But it is beautiful. Yep. Lots of people. I mean, you know, the sneaky thing about this area is the access is so, so good. There's so many points of access. And they can take you so far out into the wilderness. A lot of people don't realize how far out there. they really are. You have these roads that go 40, 50 miles, 60 miles into these wilderness areas,

and your cell phone coverage drops as soon as you get off 58. You know, anywhere off 58 route here, it's dropped. And that's just kind of part of this area. But yeah, that's the way I've always looked at it is, I think it should be approached with caution. When I'm not much on the Bigfoot Woo side of things, I've looked a little bit into it. And for my experiences, it doesn't line up. I think it's some kind of biological, physical animal. It seems that's the most logical starting point. I don't know if you have any opinions on what you think it is from a physical standpoint. Relicominid.

After experiencing something that could peel a banana and eat it, it's definitely a physical creature. I think physical creature that can do stuff that science has no idea how to explain it. So some people say that's a cop-out, but I think that it's a, It's not too bad of an explanation. That's what I'm thinking right now. So, yeah, that's been my take on it. So my word of caution is kind of Bigfoot's been mainstream for quite a while. And a lot of people out there looking for it.

My experience in run-ins with these things, last thing I would do is go out there and start hooting and hollering and banging your chest. I think one, as little as we know about these things and as intelligent as they, I presume they are. I think caution should be used, especially with small kids, and being a father of three, and camping in remote spots, and we still backpack quite a bit. I think it's really important to keep an eye on this stuff, and realize that this isn't a zoo. You're in a super rugged wild area.

If it isn't animals, you have to deal with, I mean, it's other natural phenomenon, like these wildfires that are surrounded by wildfires, and that's been the norm for quite a while. here. And I'm not on the, I don't subscribe to the idea that these things want to be friendly and want to be seen. I obviously, if they wanted to do harm, they had their chances with me and they could have. But the fact of the matter is, it's a really thin line from what I experienced to to actually having physical altercations with them. And I think if you do it enough, I think you're going to come across it. Like even Ronnie and Dwayne, those guys, they've been dealing, they've been experiencing this for decades.

And you see how uncomfortable they can get in those experiences. That should be, that should show you. So the people that are out there that think that these things want to sit down and enjoy their campfire with them, I think they need to understand that these are wild animals. We know very little about them. And they're unpredictable. Absolutely. Kevin, thank you so much, again, for your invitation to come out to your property.

And hopefully I'll be able to continue a conversation in the future. Yes, absolutely. Thanks. Thanks for taking time out to interview me. This is the first time I've ever. made any official reportings on it. So look forward to

some of your podcasts coming from this area, especially, you know, your earlier or late last week stuff. I think that would be really interesting. I don't know how much you're going to put out there. The following audio shares what happened immediately after this interview in Oak Ridge. We're in a bit of an issue.

When I went in the woods Thursday, I thought it got horse flight boats. I thought I got horse flight bites. They've escalated into what the Wilderness Guide says. Wilderness Guide I interviewed this morning for the podcast says I potentially have staff infections in both of my legs. The one small doctor's office in Oak Ridge has said I need to immediately go out to urgent care in Springfield, Oregon.

Supposed to be flying out tomorrow. So Oak Ridge is going to have to unfortunately say goodbye. Two interviews are not going to happen. The old time, this sucks. The old timers are not going to happen unless I come back tonight. But it all depends on what the urgent care says. Yeah. This is Daniel Fischel.

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and you don't need an ID to buy it. You can order it through DoorDash and other major delivery platforms too. That's freedom to be. Use as directed. So I made it up to Springfield, Oregon, went into the urgent care, per the advice of the wilderness guide. Thankfully, it was not a staff infection.

However, they have no idea what's going on. They say it makes no sense. It looks like something hit a log across my two legs. They say there's bruising. It looks like blood is leaking out from inside. I have no idea. They did a full barrage of blood testing, which they'll be sending directly back to my doctor in Des Moines.

I'm not going to lie, I'm freaked. I've got a fever, a little bit of a fever right now. So he says for me to go on antibiotics right away. Even before the blood tests are back, just in case there is some bacterial infection, they're saying some sort of cellulitis. One of the causes of which on the paper can be high energy rays. I'm headed back to Oak Ridge. I got my two-hour interview this morning, but unfortunately had to cancel a few because of this.

This health mishap, but we are headed back to Oakridge, back to the hotel, and then I'll be flying out of Eugene tomorrow. And then going directly to my doctor. Okay, I'm going to head back to Oak Ridge. As of time of recording in late August, 24, my legs have completely healed. Both doctors in Oregon and Iowa are not quite sure what caused that issue. But we are in a great spot health-wise right now. No issues. I'll tell you this. Next time I go out into the woods, I will be wearing appropriate attire, such as pants and not shorts. Take care of yourselves out there, guys, and we'll talk to you next time. Please take a minute to help out the show by subscribing on YouTube, making sure you hit the bell so you don't miss any notifications, and share the episode on YouTube with a friend. Also, if you're listening to us on a podcast, thank you so much. Make sure that you're subscribed.

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And again, thanks for listening. Her and I can get on here. We can tell our stories. Maybe there's somebody else out there listening that's too afraid to tell their story. Maybe this will give them the courage to come out. And now I feel so bad about it. Who cares what anybody thinks? I know what I saw.

I know what's out there. That's all I care about. Let people know. Please let them know. If you ever see one of these things, you need to tell. Because if you don't, then shame on you. You know, shame on you. This is Daniel Fischel.

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