Bigfoot Society - "I Saw Sasquatch in South-East Oklahoma and It Changed My Life."

Episode Date: October 30, 2023

In this captivating episode of Bigfoot Society, I have a profound conversation with Brian Hulan, a seasoned Bigfoot investigator based in Oklahoma. Brian shares his unique journey into the world of Bigfoot hunting with his group, the Southern Bigfoot Alliance. He recounts memorable experiences, including a face-to-face encounter with Bigfoot in September 2018, and sheds light on his research area near the infamous Area X.Resources: Cryptoholic Show: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5fvxE7lX2TIEtAro5R5DmQSouthern Bigfoot Alliance: https://www.facebook.com/groups/146333552538270WATCH THE IOWA EPISODE IN THE “SASQUATCH: A SEARCH FOR SABE” DOCUMENTARY SERIES BY TATE HIERONYMUS // FIND OUT ALL ABOUT MY FIRST BIGFOOT ENCOUNTERS! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo8O4rvywzETo unlock more bonus content and much more, become a supporting member of Bigfoot Society by joining the Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyBecome a Youtube Channel member here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinSupport Bigfoot Society one time by buying me a coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsociety To pick up a Bigfoot Society shirt, stickers and more, check out our merch by heading on over to https://www.etsy.com/shop/BigfootSocietySend me a voice message to potentially be used for the show by calling 515-809-0165 Here’s a fun prompt - “Hey, my name’s [your name] and you’re listening to the Bigfoot Society podcast!”If you’d like to send me fan mail, Bigfoot related products to check out or written out Bigfoot encounters then you reach me at the following address: Bigfoot Society 125 E 1st St. #233 Earlham, IA 50072Join our private Facebook group "Bigfoot Sasquatch Encounters" for a chance to connect with others who have had similar experiences. Follow the directions to ensure your entry is accepted.https://www.facebook.com/groups/5762233820540793/?ref=share_group_linkTune in to our YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q) for new episodes of Bigfoot Society, and visit our website (www.bigfootsocietypodcast.com) for all the links mentioned above and more.Don't miss out on the Bigfoot action! —— Affiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.—— MY GEAR —— My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYMy Podcast Mic: https://amzn.to/3AlYwb9My Computer: https://amzn.to/40CCjQyMy Headphones: https://amzn.to/40A8gcrMy Webcam: https://amzn.to/3NqfddhThe best Bigfoot book: https://amzn.to/41x8IcNLose the weight along with me on Noom. Get 20% off your subscription with link below. (Consult your doctor first) https://noom.com/r/GdkaWNddL?1251Join Whatnot and pick up some sweet video games and vintage shirts. Use my link below and we both get $10 credit after you place your first order. https://whatnot.com/invite/bigfootsocietyLearn more and up your creative game with Skillshare. Use my link and get a $50 gift card. https://share.skillshare.com/bigfootsocietyIf you want an amazing website like Bigfoot Society has that is extremely easy to set up and connects to your podcast in an incredible way then check out Podpage. https://www.podpage.com/?via=jeremiah (Use this affiliate link and you help out Bigfoot Society)

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In Bigfoot Society, I've taken far too much of your time so far, so let's get on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society, I've got the privilege of talking to Mr. Brian Hewlin today. He's a Bigfoot investigator from Oklahoma. How's it going, Brian? It's going great.

Thank you for having me on. Absolutely. I'll say, you know, I mentioned it earlier, but you're the first guy that actually has Bigfoot right behind you. Yeah, that's, uh, that's so yeah, that's Ted the Big Red. Um, I got that just kind of a, as a goof. and I don't know, he turned into a character, so he has his own Facebook page and everything now.

You know, we're coming up on Halloween, so what I like to do is I'll get on my front porch, dressed, you know, get Ted out there, and I'll hold a bowl of candy, and I'll move like I'm a robot, just kind of mechanical back and forth, and kids will come up and they think they're going to grab all this candy and I'll just go, wow, we're one piece, you know,

and just scare the daylights out of them. So it's a lot of fun. So it gives me something to do. It keeps me entertained, right? Yeah, there you go. Right. And you're down in, is it, Oklahoma City area? Yeah, I'm just on the outside of Oklahoma City.

So a little bit to the west. Gotcha. Gotcha. Cool, cool, cool. You've got a pretty cool podcast going on on YouTube as well. Do you mind talking about that for a little bit? Yeah. My buddy, Shane Church, and I started.

a cryptoholic show a couple years ago. And we really did it just for something to do. We wasn't really trying to do anything super creative or anything. It's real casual. There may or may not be adult beverages being consumed on the show at any given time. We run the show live, you know. So there's no post-production or anything like that. It's just whatever happens, happens.

We've had some decent guest on, you know, know, Lyle Blackburn was on and was one of our bigger shows and Cliff from that one show about Bigfoot. And so he was on there. And I think we're somewhere in the 40s or something like that as far as shows. We try to do them once every two weeks, usually on Wednesdays. We had to take a little hiatus when we were under contract for a television series. So we missed about pretty much about eight, nine months of shows during that period. Oh, wow.

What was it that actually got you into Bigfoot? Did you actually grow up in Oklahoma? Or how was like your origin story with Bigfoot back in the day? So, yeah, I mean, I was born and raised here. And Bigfoot just is always just something cool. But I never thought Bigfoot was in Oklahoma. I always thought it was a Pacific Northwest thing. My daughter was probably maybe 12 around that time,

and she got into watching those shows on TV and on cable. And so I started watching them with her. And she really took a liking to it. So she wanted to go out looking for Bigfoot, you know. And I really didn't know where to go. We have Southeast Oklahoma. I heard that, you know, there's a Bigfoot festival there and things. And I got in contact with an old friend of mine.

line that I had met years prior. And he had posted something about going out looking for Bigfoot. So I was like, hey, man, like, can we tag along? And so we tagged along one weekend with him and some other friends and family of mine and had a little weekend. Like I said, it was my daughter. So when you have that father-daughter relationship and you got a little girl that's interested in something, you know, I'm going to be interested in it, right?

Because that's how we can kind of have that bond, right? I mean, we could have been looking for leprechauns at that point. It wouldn't matter to me. I just trying to find a way to connect with her. So we met up with him, and then he was on a Facebook group, Bigfoot group, and I joined it. And it just really never was doing what I thought a group should do, like an active group. And so I met about six of us, I believe. We called kind of clicked, and they were in between Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Texas.

and the six of us decided to break away from that group and create our own Bigfoot group, which is the Southern Bigfoot Alliance. And actually, my daughter came up with that name. So that's pretty much what got me in the game. Unfortunately, she grew up, matured a little bit, and didn't care anything about Bigfoot or her dad at that point. And she started living her teenage life and, you know, doing all that. But she's a freshman in college now.

And so she's kind of circling back in. So I'm thinking, hopefully I can kind of get her to wrap back into this thing and, you know, get more involved in it. That's really cool. So when you were getting into Bigfoot, had you heard of places like Area X and like the siege event and all that beforehand? Or did you get into Bigfoot? And then you're like, oh, man, I'm in this area, this state that has this incredible Bigfoot lore to it. Yeah, I mean, the siege of Hono is a big deal, and that's roughly where we have probably the biggest conference in Oklahoma is where that takes place. And so I took her there when she was little.

I didn't know much about Area X at all until I did a presentation in kind of South Central Oklahoma, and I met an individual named Mr. Bill. And that's when I finally caught wind of what Area X is. and at that time I didn't realize it, but my main research area that we investigate is about 15 miles as a crow flies south of Area X. And I didn't even know anything about those guys being there. So it was kind of ironic that my little out and about, just excursions kind of led me to that area without ever knowing those guys were even there. So it was kind of a cool deal. So you just, you randomly pick this certain spot that is.

pretty close to one of like the, I guess you can kind of say like mechas in a way of, you know, if you're really into Bigfoot, you're like, you know about Area X, right? Yeah.

Yeah, it was just strange. I spent a lot of time in 2000, I guess is 17, first part of 18, just driving different areas, looking for different things, just scouting,

you know, the southeast part of Oklahoma. What got me there, to this area. We call it vison. We talk about it all the time in our group and on and on our podcast. I went there and I was just kind of toying with the idea of what a wood knock was and I made a wood knock and I don't typically do that. And I got a response on the other side of the river and I thought, okay, this might be worth checking out. So we kind of started doing some trips there and had a lot of experiences and a lot of good time.

It's we've been in and out of that area now for for six years. So how much time do you think you have actually spent in field in that area doing, uh, on site research? You kind of broke up on me. I think you asked me, uh, what kind of time, how much time I think I spent. Um, well, in 2018, I, I documented all, all my, all my trips, uh, just, just on my Google, uh, app. And so I went back at the end of the year and counted all my, because it's about a four. and a half hour drive for me to that area.

And I added up, I spent 62 nights there in 2018, obviously not continuously, but in the 12 months span, I lived there for two months out of that 12 months. And this isn't like a campground where you pull your RV up and plug it in and hook your water lines up. This is remote. This is out in the middle of nowhere. I mean, I could stay there for three or four days and not ever see a soul, you know. maybe the game warden would sneak in there on mirror now and then see what I was up to but uh yeah it's 62 nights of of

remote camping is what it was so i know that it's extremely hard to get into where area x is from what i've heard is it pretty much the same type of thing you getting into this area like you're pretty much you know it's hard to drive in type deal or not really um most of the is fairly possible. I mean, even in just passenger vehicles. Now, some of the areas that we go into are a little bit more of the logger roads and old Jeep trails, things like that. You don't really necessarily need four-wheel drive, but you definitely need a little bit of elevation in your vehicle, you know, small truck, Jeep, you know, SUV, something like that. We have a guy in our group and he drove a lower car like an Impala or Caprice. I can't remember in Malibu or something like that.

and he got into most of the areas that we got into. So as long as you know what you're doing and take it slow and be careful, you can get in and out there. Area X has kind of a rough area from what I'm told as far as the not from the main road, but getting up into that cabin area. I heard that road's pretty rough and washed out. I don't know much about that. I think it's a private road, whereas a lot of our stuff is logger roads.

And logging industry is big there in Southeast. almost so they do a fairly good job of keeping those roads accessible so i don't want to forget about it tell me more about this mr bill guy uh mr bill is probably you know i don't ever call anybody an expert you know uh bill might be the closest thing to it though for us uh bill's been around. He's walked the planet, you know, a lot longer than I have, you know. He's just a very genuine guy, but he's been doing this way longer than I have. And I've learned a lot from this guy, a lot about their behavior, things like that, what to look for. And he's, he's, his voice has resonated with me, especially in the situation where I had my sighting. So

a lot of things that he had told me over the last few years. When I was in that situation, it all just kind of came to the forefront and really helped me out. So Bill is a – Bill's an interesting guy. He's a lot of fun. I think Bill is – and I hate to say his age because he'll probably shoot me next time where he can't. But he's – I'm 47, and I want to say Bill is somewhere around his early 70s. But super active guys. Wow.

gets out there in camps, still gets out there in hikes. I mean, yeah, he, you wouldn't ever know, you wouldn't know his age if you met him. I guarantee you that, so. Wild. So let's, you said the name of the area is bison. Bison, yeah. Okay. And basically we came, we came up with that name.

I mean, there's no symbolic meaning to it. So. And so you spent about, you've spent about, you've spent about. about last year two months in Bison, has there been a time when you're in there where you've had any close encounters or maybe visuals, or is it just mainly your hearing stuff? You know, lots of audio.

Howls, whoops, knocks, things like that. But on September 16th, 2018, is when my buddy Tim Autry and I had a face-to-face encounter. It was about 4.30 in the afternoon. Wow. Can you get into what that situation was like? Yeah. It was kind of what we did through my group, Southern Bigfoot Alliance, SBA, is we like to hold these open invites to our members to where they can come in and meet with us. We get to meet with them.

And I tell people it's almost like a recruiter. So, and this is how we got like Mr. Bill and a good friend of ours named Darren, but we have these people come and we are able to go in the woods with them and kind of see how they look at and, you know, information, things like that, and how they process it, making sure they're not the kind of people that every broken branch is a big foot and every, you know, glob of dirt on the ground is a big foot track. You know, that's what we're looking for is individuals who don't immediately think Bigfoot. And we was there for this open invite.

And I think we had maybe 30 people show up for it. And in the core group guys, at that time, I think five of us in the core. And had these folks come in. They were from everywhere, Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. If you want something done right, you do it yourself. That's why you change your own oil. You wouldn't trust your engine to just anybody.

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This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. And everyone stayed Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Fortunately, for Tim and I, we were off work Monday, so we were going to stay one more night. And we put people in different areas and places we wanted them to be for strategic reasons, you know. And then on Sunday, everybody said their goodbyes. And one of the things that Bill had kind of preached to me about was, you know, what's their, what's their habits? What do they eat? And a lot of people think they eat deer, things like that,

where I disagree a little bit. There is, most of the area is pine trees. It's a pine forest. And I was looking for hardwood areas, mainly areas that had, you know, that grow nuts, like black walnuts in specific. Reason why is because I was hiking one time and I found this, me and a couple of guys found this flat, big flat rock,

and I had a bunch of crack black walnut. and there was a larger rock next to it about maybe the size of, you know, the average guy's head, you know, and it looked like something to have been smashing these black walnuts. And so we started looking into these areas. And I asked Tim, I said, hey, let's go into this area. We've never been here. It's a little Jeep trail that goes up. Let's see if there's an area that we can all set up camp and do a little expedition there in the future.

And we drove up to the dead end and kind of got out of the truck. and it's just kind of a lot of weird stuff that happened. We got out and we were walking around, just kind of looking, kind of determined that maybe we could get a few vehicles in there, but in a few tents, but there really wasn't an area to, like, really turn around. Logistically, it wasn't the greatest, but a small group could get in there and back down the road.

But we had this doe female, you know, deer come running almost like right against us, and she was running full speed. and my first instinct was that something was obviously chasing her, and I thought probably a coyote, maybe a bear. You know, we have some small black bear in southeast Oklahoma. And so we looked, and of course there was nothing with her, but she was just tail up and just flying through there. And all of a sudden, we started hearing what sounded like stuff falling from trees.

And we were trying to, you know, determine if it was like just acorns falling, and we were kind of like tossing some rocks in the air. And we were like, man, it sounds like it's something bigger than acorns. It sounds like it's about a rock inch and a quarter inch and a half diameter. Now, this is just us. You know, we're spitballing this. We're just kind of doing some test sounds. Well, as we're standing there and I keep hearing these over my, I guess it would be my left.

And we started to walk that way because we could hear them falling over us about 20 yards. And I remember something that Bill taught me about. distraction. You know, these things like to distract you. If they can get your back turn, then they can make their escape. You know, that's, that's their way. They don't want to just take off running right in front of you. They want you to go away. So as I took a step to my left to get away, you know, to go towards the sound, I remember what he said and I just quickly turned back and look to the right. And when I did, I saw this, this stump was about 14, 16 inches of diameter. And I just saw this head pop down, like just duck behind it.

And I was like, okay, I see something, obviously. And so I just fixate on it. And it's about 50, 60 yards out. And everyone always says, first thing people ask you, why didn't you just run at it? Well, it's kind of a little finger valleys. So if I would have took, you know, 10 steps forward, I would have went down about 12, 15 feet. I would have lost visual, come back up, you know. So it wasn't like I could just run straight out this thing.

And I don't know if I would actually run towards it or not, even though I've said many times I would. but I kind of kept watching it. And then I saw this thing kind of peek up and it saw me looking at it and it ducked again. Now, at this point, I'm able to see its hands holding the stump. Tim, my buddy, is walking around looking for rocks that are being thrown. He's kicking stuff on the ground, trying to. And he's talking to me. And I'm carrying a full conversation with him while I'm locked in on this thing.

And so another thing Bill said was these things don't like moving if you're facing them. you know, you need to be using peripheral vision and give the illusion that you're looking away. So I turned my body a quarter to where it was now on my left side and I'm facing this way, but watching to my left. And when I did that, this thing popped up and just stared at me. And it's looking at me. It's looking at Tim. Tim's walking around. And then Tim, I guess, starts to make it move towards me. And so it ducks.

I have Tim come over and we're standing face to face at this point. and he goes, what's the matter? And I said, I need you to look at something and just tell me what you see. And when I say we're face-to-face, we look like we're ready to embrace and have a magical moment in the woods. You know what I mean? Like two guys, you know, like we're in each other's face, right? And so he's looking at me and I said, I want you to use your peripheral vision and look

to the right. And he goes, okay. And I said, there's a stump out there. It's like maybe three or four foot tall. He goes, yeah, I see it. I said, okay, I want you to stare at it. and then just tell me what you see. And he goes, okay.

And so he's looking at me. We're face to face, but he's looking to the right. And I'm watching him at this point. I'm not even looking at the stump. I'm watching him. And all of a sudden, I just see Tim's body, like his body shakes, like it trembles. And he was like, you know, like, what the hell was that? And I go, I don't know, man.

Just keep watching. And he goes, it moved again. It ducked. It went behind the stump. And I said, okay. And so then I look at it. And it pops up one more time. It looks at it, and it goes down.

Now, this is where it gets really weird. So it's on a little bit of a heel, and this stumps towards the top. And all of a sudden, I saw this thing on the ground, like its chin was on the ground, and it went to the side of the stump, and it was just staring at me. And I'm locked in, you know, like, I'm watching this thing. And then it moves behind the stump, and then we hear, like, the leaves rustle a little bit. and then we just hear this thing just walk away. And I knew immediately what I just saw.

Like I knew because I saw the face. I could see the skin. I saw the hands. I knew exactly what it was. Tim's super excited. And he's like, what was that? What did we just see? What would we just see?

And I was like, man, we're not going to talk about it. Like we got one more night to do our investigation. We're going to go back to our camp, which was about 45 minutes away, even though it wasn't a great distance. It's a windy row, kind of little treacherous on that part of that row. So we've got to go slow, hug the hill a little bit. And I said, we're not going to talk about it. We go up there and we get up to can, we make dinner, and he's wanting to talk.

I'm not wanting to talk about it. I said, I just want you to think, process it. We'll talk about it later. So we do our whole nighttime stuff and we're out hiking, looking, you know, whatever. We decided to get a little bit more aggressive that night, make some sounds, just kind of kind of experimenting, no action, nothing else that night, get up the next morning, we make breakfast, break camp. Now, at this point, we have a four and a half hour drive back towards Oklahoma City, and

Tim wants to talk about it again. And I'm like, man, I said, I don't know who I want to talk about us. I think we saw a raccoon. And he goes, man, that wasn't old dang raccoon. He goes, that thing was huge. And I was like, well, we'll talk about it Wednesday, because it's Monday morning at this point. I said, call me Wednesday and we'll talk about it. So we take the whole four and a half hour drive and basically it's silence because he's processing it.

I'm processing it. And I don't want to talk about it because the main reason was I didn't want to influence him. And so we get home. He goes his way. I go to my house. Wednesday, this dude calls me right up. And he's like, all right, I'm ready to talk about this thing. I said, okay.

I said, what did you see? And he said, I saw Bigfoot. He goes, what did you see? I said, I saw a bear. And he goes, you didn't see a bear. And I said, yeah, it was definitely a raccoon. And he goes, man, why are you doing this? He goes, you know what you saw.

And I said, all right. I said, I'll tell you what I saw. I said, I saw Bigfoot. And he goes, I said, how sure are you? He said, I'm 100%. And I said, all right, let's call the guys. So we did a group chat with the five or six of us. Say, hey, guys, this is what we saw, you know, told the story.

And I think not that weekend, which would have been two days, but the following weekend, we all were back out there and we were doing size comparisons and showing the guys what happened. So, I mean, it was pretty amazing. I mean, it was daytime, like I said, about 4.30 and a half of the noon, so plenty of light. No mistake in identity here. That is incredible. If you had to describe the kind of creature that it looked like to you, are you thinking it looked like some kind of, of ape or something completely different?

Or how would you describe it? Yeah, the best way I could describe it is somebody sent me a picture recently. And I didn't even say anything. I forward it right to Tim. I said, I just, I just seen the picture. No explanation, no words. And he texts me back, he goes, that looks really similar to what we saw. And it almost was like an aboriginal man, was not ape at all.

It was definitely, when I looked at it, I've done. like I was looking at another guy. Okay? I didn't feel like I was looking at anything crazy. It was just looked like a regular guy, just for black skin, very large hands, and very large head, and just a shiny, almost like a little bit of a sheen to the skin and then dark fur. Not like this guy back here. It wasn't like this bright red or anything like that.

It was, if not black, it was like maybe a dark brown, but not red at all. But the weird thing about it was, and for the life of me, it's bugged me every sense. I never saw shoulders because everyone always asked me, well, how wide was it? I never, ever remember seeing shoulders. And I don't know if it's because this thing was maybe turned a little bit while it was trying to hide itself behind that stunt or the fact that I was so fixated on the face and the hands that I just totally blocked out the shoulders. But that's bugged me since then because I was like, I have no,

idea of how wide the shoulders were on this thing. So. And you said this area is, it's about like 45 minutes from your, where you guys base camp. At that time. Now, we have multiple camps in this area. I mean, I can show you pin drops on this place. Um, I mean, there's just, there might be 10, 15 different places I can't depend on, you know, maybe weather or something like that or, or whatever. the case may be or depending on how many people go. This was an area that we call, I think we call it Camp 1997 is what we call it. Only reason why is because a hunter reported a Bigfoot siding there in 1997, so we call it that. So it was actually my first time camping there. So normally where I was, I would drive just a few minutes to a normal camp that we call Homestead, but I wanted to get up

to 1997 and spent a night there. So that's why we end up being there. And I already had all my gears set up there and everything. So, and it's at the, I don't say the top of a mountain because it's Oklahoma. So I don't want to give anybody the false sense that we have these great big, big, tall mountains. But it's a pretty, pretty darn tall hill. You know, I call it that. And so all my stuff was there.

So I had to go back there regardless. Gotcha. After that sighting occurred in that area, have you guys, made that like a normal area of focus to try to go back there and see if you can have other sightings or yeah i mean uh i mean we've been there i couldn't tell you how many times since then you know that that was that was uh it was five years ago i mean we just really passed the five-degree anniversary of it here a month ago um i mean i was in there just a month or two ago i was i cruised through there I may end up going there this weekend, you know, weather permits.

I may run by there, I don't know. But it's, we had a little bit of shift of direction because of some things that happened in 2018, 2019 with some really good evidence as far as cast and footprints. So our attention got shifted a little bit, but bison is still home for us. It's where it's where we all like to go. it's probably the most ideal location for us. Even though we don't have the footprint, you know, the tracks that we find because it's so rocky and it's just hard to find.

But between that and our Squatch Creek area that we go to, those are our two main spots and they're both in Oklahoma. Of course, Bison, Southeast and Squash Creek, South Central Oklahoma. Interesting. You mentioned evidence a minute or two ago. What kind of evidence have you been able to bring out from that bison area so far. Yeah, bison, as far as evidence goes, it's going to be all audio and then just the visual

sighting that we had. There is nothing there that I can just hand you other than audio recordings. No footprints there. We saw back in 2017, I believe it was 17, in 2017, we found some small that look like child footprints, and that's what we originally thought they were. We were canoeing one of the rivers there, and we kind of just got out on the bank because we saw this persimetry. It had a branch that was running horizontal, about 10 foot high, and the path was beat down around it, and we just thought it was odd, and so we got out, checked it, and we found these really small footprints. They were

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And when we noticed that they were going right through like thornbriars and stuff like that, we were like, okay, this isn't a kid. You know, like this is something else. But at that time, we didn't have any cast of material or anything like that. We followed it as far as we could, and it got to an area that was heavily disturbed with hogs and things like that. So we lost the path. But that and then we found one, what I call kind of a print that looks like four fingers and a thumb. And it was by a little, I call like an ambush area on a game trail. And I think we have photos of that, but I don't have, I didn't get a cast of it.

It was up on, actually it was on 1997 before we knew it was 1997. We just kind of scaled the side of a hill and went up there and found that. But that's probably the most important things that we found at Bison. The audio that I have is just kind of creepy. But, I mean, I can always send that to you if you wanted to listen to it. Definitely. That would be really interesting. You mentioned you've heard whoops.

what kind of how would you describe the type of whoops i've heard different types over the years doing this but i'm just curious yeah and i'm not a big whoop guy and you probably won't get me to do a whoop you know on the show uh you know because i think i sound silly trying to do it but uh it's i would say more of a how than a whoop you know and and like i said there's no way you're going to get me to try to recreate that. I can send it to you and you can listen to it and see what you think for yourself. But it's just odd. You know, I got some guys in the group that will do that.

They'll do the howls. They'll do the whoops and they'll do that kind of stuff. And I'd rather just be off to the side listening for responses on that. You know, I think I'm a little bit, I don't want to say a little bit. I feel like I'm pretty in tune when I'm out there just because I spent so much time out there. So I'm able to kind of listen for certain things and disregard things that I know of, you know, and different types of owls and different other birds and stuff like that. So I don't like to get into it where I'm making the sound. I'd rather be back observing it.

Absolutely. Just for my own curiosity, a lot of times I hear or I take reports from people to do with the podcast where. It almost sounds like it could be gibbon-ish. Is it anything like that or not even like that at all that you've experienced? You cut out on me on that. I'm not familiar with the gibbon. I don't know what that is. I haven't any experience that.

A gibbon is a type of like an ape monkey that you would usually see in the zoo. I would be really curious if you were to look up Gibbon sounds on YouTube and then see what your reaction to those. If you've heard something like that before in that area. Okay. I'm going to make a note for myself to kind of Google that later and see. Absolutely. In Oklahoma, a lot of the reports that I take over the years doing this podcast is you hear a lot of. aggressive

bigfoot reports. Why do you think it is that there are so many aggressive Bigfoot encounters that come out of your state? Do you think that's for a reason? No. I mean, just from what I experienced,

you know, I did get hitting the head one time with a walnut and I was by myself. I don't think it was an aggressive thing. I think it was more of like, you know, hey, you're too close. she needed to get away.

Tim, poor guy on his first trip, he took a rock to the back of the neck that kind of welped him up. But I also think that if it was, if it was really, if the intention was to really kill us or hurt us severely,

I think both opportunities it could have, right? I think, and I hate to say this about my own state, but this goes back to some of even our local news and things like that. We live in a pretty severe weather area. And so fear sales, right? And so everything is, is doomsday here. The tornadoes

massive. The, you know, the snow is going to be this, you know. And so we're so used to that. I think that people kind of are brought up that way. And so they see something and may, you know, whatever. People say bluff charge. People say roar or things like that. I think they take that as a sign of aggression, and to me, that's not, you know. This thing was close enough to Tim and I that if it had ill intentions, we weren't going to get away. We were far enough away from the truck. We were unarmed.

We literally just stepped out and walked down, you know, a few yards just to, you know, check out the area. So if that was the case, it had every opportunity to get us, right? And I think just some people are naturally going to say that because there are a afraid of what they saw or unsure what they saw. And so it's a, it's a, and I don't want to say they're lying and say, oh, this thing and try to attack us or anything like that. I don't think that's what it is.

I think it's just misinterpreted, you know, the intentions of it are misinterpreted. I think these things are more curious than anything. And so they may put themselves in a situation that may seem threatening, you know, if you're in a cabin or if you're in a tent or something like that, you may think this thing's trying to hurt you, but I think it's more curious. And if it really wanted to hurt you, you'd probably did it for you in this. it. Gotcha.

Have you ever had an experience, like, let's say you are in camp, you're trying to sleep through the night. Have they ever approached the camp area and have any interesting interactions happened in the campsite itself? Yeah. So the night that Tim was hit, there was about eight or nine of us set up, and we had all of our tents kind of spread out. you know, 10, 15 yards apart.

And we had a grill. And one of the guys there had a dog, a little, I think it was a beagle. And we all, we stayed up pretty late, or at least most of us did. And we weren't really big footing, you know, per se. We were just kind of hanging out and just enjoying, you know, being together and, you know, just doing dude stuff and maybe, you know, telling stories and things like that, and joking around. And we decided to finally go to bed.

It might have been 3 a.m. And I was out completely. I'm not going to lie. As soon as I got in the tent and zipped it up, I was dead to the world. And we had an audio recorder going. And so what you hear is something coming down the side towards the tent with the dog in it. And you hear something walking. And you hear the dog kind of put a little low growl, you know.

And, you know, beagles are pretty loud anyways when they start barking and band. but this thing just kind of did a little growl and then you hear the grill the metal you know the metal grill lift you hear the lid open and then it slams and the dog starts going crazy and you hear footsteps running away well some of the guys were still you know fairly light sleepers and and they got up pretty quick and they came to me and i i think i said something like you guys are a bunch of babies or you know scaredy cats i don't remember what i said and they i think about three of them four of them took off running after it. And they had seen a little bit of disturbance in the kind of a rocky road where something looked like it had ran across the road. Of course, we can't say that because obviously we didn't see it run across the road. But they were pretty sure that something had ran across the road there. And as they turned into come back, Tim was at the end of the line.

And what I was told is that you hear a thud and you hear Tim go, ow, and he sees a rock fall by his feet and he turns around and they all kind of like, what was that? He goes, I don't know. And he picks this rock up. He goes, but something hit me in the back of the head. And this is, like I said, this is Tim's first trip with us. Like, we had just met this guy. And he comes back to camp and they all looking out with the light and he has this red welt that's, I don't remember, maybe one or two inches long right at the base of his neck. So that was a pretty cool thing that happen there. And then as far as another threatening deal, 2017, my son and I went deer hunting there, and I kind of used it as I can take my son hunting. I can also be in my Bigfoot area. It's a win-win

for me. He may get a deer. I may get a siding, you know, so we went there. And we camped at this place that I call Old Well. And when I say Old Well, so you have to think of a convent. creet well, kind of like in the little girl in the ring, I think, you know, in that movie where she comes up that well and comes into your TV and kills everybody, you know, whatever. Oh, boy. The little horror movie. So that's, that's the setting. Yeah.

And, you know, I put my tents right next to this thing. I don't know what's wrong with me, right? So we set our tents up next to this. And so we got there a little late. And so my son, he's a big guy. He's 6-2. At that time, he weighed probably 275. He's got an SKS.

He's like, I'm going to go hunt while you're getting everything set up. And so I'm getting the tents up. I'm getting the table out. I'm getting the cook stuff out. And I'm going to make some, I think it's like some kind of soup or something that I was making a stew or something. And I had heard something about 80 to 100 yards away. And the reason why I know that is because I went back later on and tested. how far I can hear somebody walking.

And about 100 yards, I can't hear them at that location. I went back. I think it was two weeks after to test that theory. So I hear something walking in my first reaction because I don't have big foot on the brain. I'm in hunting mode. And I said, I think there's a lot of wild hogs there. And I said, man, I think there's a big hog. And so I radioed my son and asking for some ammo where the ammo was with this gun.

and I get it loaded, I set it there. Well, this thing starts bearing off towards him or the direction he was walking. And so I radioed even when I said, hey, I said, I think a hog kind of walked up towards camp and probably saw me or winded me or something. And it turned back towards you, so make sure you're paying attention. And he said, okay, and I kind of just let time go by. I'm getting ready. And it might have been 30, 45 minutes later.

And he radios me. And he says, he said, dad, he goes, I just had something weird. it happened. And I said, it was it? He said, a rock was thrown at me. And it landed in front of me. And he goes, it rolled right up to my foot. And he's sitting on the ground up against a tree. We don't have stands there or anything like that. And I said, well, you need to, you need to grab your stuff and come back. And he goes, I'm not, I'm not doing your big foot deal. He goes, that's not what this is. He's a non-believer, just so you know. And, and I'm like, Ty, I'm like, man, I know what that is. like and you need to you need to pack it up and come on back and he goes I said how big was the rock he said it's about size of softball and I said okay yeah you need to you need to head this way and he goes now I'm not I'm not going down that big foot road with you I'm going to stay here till it's dark and I said okay I said but you know keep your head on right pay attention a few minutes goes by and he finally radios him back and says okay I'm going to head that way so I'm

still cooking and I hear something a few minutes later running towards me and I thought it was him so I radioed him and I said what are you running from and he said dad I'm not running because I haven't even got my stuff in my backpack yet he said I'm just standing and I was like okay well I heard something running and he said you wouldn't be able to hear me he was I'm at least a mile from you and at first I was like man this kid did not walk a mile like I just I don't think he's got it in him to go a mile, you know? And I asked him, I said, well, how do you know your mile away? And he said, well, I passed two creeks. Okay. So at that point, I knew that he was at least three-quarters of a mile to that second creek. And I said, okay, I said, well, it's getting dark. So make sure you head straight

north. He's like, I got a compass, you know, and we're talking in an area that's hundreds of thousands of acres, right? And I said, okay, make sure you're heading north. I said, you'll hit the road if you don't hit me. And he said, okay. So I see him through the tree lines. I see him coming through the woods. And he's got a splashlight. It's already getting dark there, you know, inside the, inside the woods. And he's probably 80 yards off target from where we are. So I step out to the little gravel road, and I just kind of hit the light. He sees me and he walks down. And we're talking about the rock. And he's just like, he's not having it. He's like, I'm not going to, I'm not even going to go there. And I said, okay, well, I got food ready. And so we're sitting in our chairs. And of course,

I got an audio recorder going. I have it sitting right next to me on this little table right between us. And across from us, and I don't know how far out, but it would be to the north, there is this how. And he just looks at me. And then behind us, where he was, was a, what I just want say is a male. Like it just one sounded female, one sounded male, or one was younger and one was bigger. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from

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And I said, that's exactly what threw that rock at you. So he gets up, goes over, grabs his pistol, sets in his lap, we keep eating. Now, where it gets really weird and kind of just goofy on my part, and like it ain't weird enough, right? I take the audio recorder and I set it on the roof of my truck thinking higher elevation, I'm going to get better sound. It's not going to get all the sound of me and him talking and eating and things like that. I don't know if I paused it or if it being vehicle caused something, but all the recordings stopped after that.

It's just nothing but silence. You don't hear any birds. You don't hear crickets. You don't hear nothing. Okay. But during that night, he's in his tent, I'm in my tent. This thing is still behind us screaming at it. about every 45 minutes to an hour, and it does it the entire night.

Now, seeing that's my son, and I don't get too spooked out, but I had the rifle, I had the pistol, I had a knife, and I had an axe all inside my tent. Like, I'm ready to go. Like, if this thing comes up, trying to think I'm a sack lunch, like, it's going to get it. You know what I mean? Like, something's going to get it, right? And it does it all night, and I'm just staring, I just remember staring at the top of my tent, thinking this thing's going to come and just grab us.

You know what I mean? Like, it's super aggressive. You know, it sounds super aggressive. And I lay there the entire night. We get up to go hunting that morning. And he's just like, that. He's like, what in the world was that all night? And I said, man, I said, I don't know.

I said, that thing just would not quit. So we go hunt that morning. And I tell my group, I send a group chat out, hey guys, got some cool audio. This is what happened. Blah, blah, blah. So one of the guys in Arkansas, Kendall, he messaged me and said, hey, what do you think the odds are of this happening again tonight? And I said, I don't know. I mean, we're here.

And he goes, well, I'm going to come. So he drives in, camps with us, does it again that second night. So I don't know. What it was, what it meant, I'm not sure, really. I mean, but we have it on audio. And Shane, my co-host, he's, you know, graphic artist. and stuff like that. He does a lot of stuff with audio,

and he ran it through some stuff. And we were trying to find, like, the pitch. And I don't want to be horrible of describing this. But the only thing that kind of matches it from what I'm told, and there's a YouTube video about this, is it's almost like a whale at that level. And we know we don't have whales in Oklahoma, even though there's a law here where you can't hunt whales,

which doesn't make any sense. But it's on that spectrum of sound. So I don't know. It's definitely not, definitely not coyotes. And I had a guy tell me, he's like, oh, that's just a rogue wolf that's running through Oklahoma. I don't know about all that either. That is a wild, wild story. And, man, I would love to hear, if possible, I would love to hear that audio.

That's awesome. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'll definitely send the audio. I'll be able to you. So I'll send it to you on messenger so you can listen to it. I'm going to take a little bit, excuse me, I want to take a little bit of a detour. Something I've been asking everyone is, and this is weird, this is, it's weird. Have you ever encountered or heard of someone in your state or anywhere that has seen something that looks like a hyena?

Yeah. You mean other, something other than a dog man? I guess that could count. Yeah. Yeah. Dogman sightings are pretty common here in Oklahoma. Oh, really? Yeah.

A friend of mine, this was three months ago, maybe, maybe not quite that long, maybe two months ago. She was traveling I-40 into Arkansas and she's not a big foot person or anything like that. that. She probably thinks it's kind of silly. But she called me and said, I saw the weirdest thing on the side of the road. And she goes, and me and another car, both saw it. We both hit our brakes. We both kind of looked at it, looked at each other. And they're on the interstate. Like, they're cruising. It's daytime. She said, this thing looked like a bear in the face, but it had like a dog's body with a tail, and it was solid white. And she said it was what she thought was it was grazing or it could have been eating something dead in the grass.

But as they pulled up to it, it raised up and just looked at both the cars as they went by. And so I don't know if that's some kind of weird dog man or some kind of who knows what that. is but I sent her some pictures of some dog because she didn't even know what a dog man was. She kept calling it a bear dog is what she called when she messaged me. She said, I saw some kind of weird bear dog. And I sent her a picture, a couple of pictures of what, you know, dogmen look like. And she was like, yeah, that's, that's kind of it, but it was white. And I thought, what's strange?

And I have a friend here that, you know, he's a, he's a dogman guy and he's documenting a lot of cases. It's got a really cool interactive map of dogman sightings. And so I gave the story to him so he could document that. That is extremely interesting. I've never heard of a white one like that. So I'll definitely have that on my radar. Do you mind talking about, you mentioned there was another area that you guys research called Squatch Creek? Yep.

Squatch Creek is South Central Oklahoma. It's probably our greatest collection of evidence from Cass to actually a couple of hair samples. And it started with a young girl that was hunting mushrooms, morale mushrooms, which are kind of a big thing here in Oklahoma. And she posted a footprint in this morale mushroom site. And people were kind of teasing her about it. And she said, basically, she was looking for mushrooms. And she found a couple of these really huge footprints in this creek.

I contacted her, offered her a little bit of money to take me to her morel mushroom site, which is kind of a big no-no if you're a mushroom hunter. And I had to reassure her that I do not like morel mushrooms. I don't eat them. I don't hunt them. We went there and there was four footprints and able to grab two casts. And inside one of the footprints in the mud was a hair on both sides, kind of a reddish brown hair, almost about like my beard when it used to be a little bit redder.

And the gray kind of is forcing all the red out. But we extracted both hairs. And I still have one. I'm sending it to Darby Orcut, who's doing some stuff at North Carolina State University. I'm in the process of trying to meet up with him and get that hair to him. The other hair I sent to another person at another university. I'm not going to mention his name, but he's ghosted me for the last five years. And looking forward to talking to him in person, hopefully one day.

But we have been to Squash Creek several times, probably have cast tracks on maybe five or six occasions over about a three-year span. We have all these dates documented on our page, 16-inch tracks, at least two different individuals, just because we know the toes are different. One has kind of like a spade-shaped big toe, and the other one has a round, almost more human-like big toe. So we know we have two that are 16 inches, and then we have another one that's 20 inches. And we have cast them separately and together, and as a group, between the five, six of us, the core guys. We had close to 15 of those spread out between us.

Wow. Those are pretty, those are big tracks. Have you ever heard any, any vocalizations or anything else in that area as well? No, no, no vocalizations,

no visuals. Shane kind of calls the place Jumanji, just because some of the weird things that are going on there. We know there's an alligator in the lake, which is kind of weird. for Oklahoma, but there is an alligator in the lake. We saw the tracks. We talked to a guy that lives there.

He's one of told us there was an alligator in the lake. But the craziest thing that we found there, a bit of a game camera. And we have a camera sequence of a longhorn, you know, cow. And behind it is a real, uh, female African lion that is ears back, tail out and she is stalking. this thing. And everyone always thinks like, well, what in the world is an African lion doing in Oklahoma? And how is that possible? I don't know if you watch Tiger King on Netflix. It was a big thing a few years ago during COVID.

But this place is a, you know, stones throw away from, you know, that place where Joe had all those lions. So either it's somebody's line that they couldn't keep up with or maybe it escaped or something like that. But we called the local game ward when we got the photo. And I said, hey, man, I said, I'm about to send you a picture or something. And I just, I just want you to look at it. And I want to send it to you while we're talking. And he said, okay. And I sent it to him.

And his words were, you've got to be kidding me. And I said, no, sir. I said, this is real. And he goes, you're not pulling a prank. I said, no. I said, I'm going to send you a pin location of this camera. And he said, okay, he goes, do me in favor. Do not talk about this.

do not send this photo to anybody. We don't want to panic anyone. And I said, okay. And we did. We kept it quiet. I messaged him several times over like the next year. He never returned my calls, never returned any of my texts after that day. I was curious.

Like, did you guys do anything? Did you catch this thing? Because this is a recreational area. Like people hump there, people fish there. There's people that live close by. And I was like, it's a really small town. but I felt like, man, we're not really doing, you know, justice with people. If there's a, if there's an African lion running through, you know, these woods,

like people need to know about that, you know, because I camp there and I didn't, I didn't know, you know. So fast forward another year, so we're two years away from that photo. And I'm on a Facebook page, it's like a, like a police scanner, you know, they just talk about, you know, whatever, crazy methadonian running down the street naked. or something. You never know what you're going to see on this Facebook page. And I'm reading this deal and it says,

a lion is in the middle of I-35 sitting up watching cars go by. And I'm like, okay, I know where that town is. It's not extremely far from where I got my photo from. And now there's hundreds of people that are witnessing this thing. Like people were calming like, yeah, I saw her. She's standing there. She's just sitting there and watching cars go by. It's the middle of the day.

And so we decided at that time, hey, it's been a while. We've reached out to these people. They are not responding. Let's go ahead and post the photos that we posted the photo of the line. So that's why we call it Jumanji. Yeah, I would definitely call it Jumanji as well. Is that you guys have like a Facebook page or something at that where people can see that photo? We do.

Yeah. The Southern Bigfoot Alliance, that's a Facebook page for the group. And then, of course, we have a page also for the Cryptaholic Show. And then, of course, you can find me on Facebook. There's only two of us in the world. And the other guy don't look like me. Awesome. Has there ever been anything where you're out in the woods and, let's say, not Bigfoot related,

but you just can't explain what it was. anything else weird happened to you that's outside do you think the realm of bigfoot um paranormal stuff um i have a uh really near full body apparition walking next to a lady uh that i was dating at the time uh i believe it to be native american she's native american i didn't see it you know walking with her but i took a photo of her because uh she was walking kind of far away, a little bit farther than I care to for her to get away from me in this area in Bison. And was that an area that we call Homestead. There's a, it's obviously there was a house or something there at one time. There's a root cellar in the side of the hill. There's this great

big walnut tree that if you were going to build a house in this area, that would be the spot, you know, to build it. And I just kind of took a photo over. I was grilling some steaks that honestly, it was a date night. And she's a Bigfoot lady. And this is what Bigfoot couples, you know, do. And so I was grilling some steaks and we were just going to just kind of hang out in the middle of there and eat some food. I took a photo over and didn't think anything about it. And we came back and we were sitting there and it's dark.

And all of a sudden I hear, we both hear what sounded like a bird flapping above our heads. And I thought it had to have been an owl. And so I look up and there's nothing over as I can just hear this whoosh, whoosh, whoosh sound over our head. And all of a sudden she goes, I got the oddest feeling. And she goes, and I don't feel like something. Something's not right here.

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So we got the baked potatoes out of the fire. We kicked the fire out, watered it down, threw everything in the truck, jumped in the truck, and we started driving off. Well, she was singing this chalk-toss song. Okay. and she's chalked all in and she was singing it because it's a it's on a recording and and i kept telling her i was like i don't you don't even know what you're singing like you you know you probably shouldn't be singing that and then keep in mind i have not seen the apparition yet at this point and so we're driving away and we get about halfway out so from homestead to the highway it's about a probably a good 30-minute

drive of just gravel road back road type stuff and uh it's real close to the oklahoma tex or i mean Oklahoma, Arkansas line. And so we get about halfway, and I automatically just feel better. And like, yeah, she goes, the air is different. And I said, yeah, no, it feels normal again. And she goes, yeah, I think so too. And I said, what do you want to do? She's like, let's just, let's just leave.

Let's just get out of here. So she starts singing that song again. And I'm like, hey, man, you got to stop singing this song. It's kind of creepy, you know what I mean? Because I don't know what you're working up over there, you know? And so she calls her niece and who is also Choctaw and speaks Choctaw. And she's like, hey, I keep singing this little verse. Can you tell me what it is?

And she says it to her. It's something about a sinner paying for their sins or something to that effect. And we both kind of looked at each other and we're like, what in the world are you singing? Like, you don't even singing that out there, you know? So I don't know if that. related to it or if it was just coincidental. I don't know. But that was one thing that was probably pretty weird. And then maybe about six months prior to that, I was in that exact same location. I was by myself. I was doing a weekend by myself. And I actually stopped there because I had

cell phone service in that spot. And so I pulled up and I was in a, you know, three quarter tonne Dodge truck, you know, and I stopped, killed the truck. It was on the phone. And it was late. It was probably 10, 10.30 at night. And I was sitting there talking to someone, and I just felt the whole truck shake, like out of the bed, just pushed it. And I was on the phone. I was like, man, that's weird.

I said, I felt like somebody pushed my truck. And she was like, well, what are you going to do? I was like, I'm going to get out and check it out. And she's like, you're by yourself. You need to start the truck and drive away. And I'm like, no, I'll call you back. I hung up and I jumped out and got my light. Of course, I had a pistol at that time, and I'm kind of just checking the area, but I never saw anything.

Like, there was no kind of prints on the truck. There was, I didn't see any prints around the truck. Obviously, there was nobody there, you know, but whatever it was, it moved the truck enough to where I could, I kind of moved, kind of swayed like that in the cab, and I thought that was, that was pretty odd. And this is heavy force. It's not like, you know, wind came through and caught the truck or anything. So little things like that.

you know, or kind of strange, you know, eye shine, stuff like that, growls, things like that. That's probably getting more on the Bigfoot side of it. But definitely some weird paranormal stuff out there. That is really interesting. It would definitely make me think, you know, about going out there. Just a question for you as an Oklahoma Bigfoot researcher. Have you ever looked into it? to the events of the siege that happened about, I think it was about 20 years ago, right?

I believe it was. You know, I talked to the guy that was there. I try to get him to come on my show. I have not been successful in that yet. I'm still going to try to talk him into it. But as far as I know, the cabin slash house is no longer there. it's been demoed. The

whole Novi Bigfoot conference that they have there is really close to that. I mean, it's walking distance from where that event took place. So I've heard mixed things. I've heard the story, you know, like everybody else has heard the story. Then I've also

heard that it's not exactly how it went. There were some other things that happened that aren't in the story. So I don't know. You know, you know, those kind of things can be after time. So I would love for him to come on the show one day and kind of just tell his side of it. So hopefully I can make that happen. Absolutely. I mean, it's such a, it's one of those stories that I feel like maybe people around right now, a lot of them haven't heard, but some maybe half and half, I don't know,

but I would hope there's at least some truth to that story. I know it's kind of become like a a tall tale, like, legend of the Bigfoot community, but I hope there's some truth to it. Yeah, I mean, given the location in the history, you know, before that and after that, something happened there. Something happened. I don't have any question about that. Not exactly what took place and what went down. And I don't know, you know, who knows.

but the possibility of it happening in that location, I would rate it pretty high. So there were stuff that happened in that same area after that whole thing went down? Yeah, there's a lot of sightings in that area. Home Nubby, from Honebby to my area in Bison, Area X, you're talking, I don't know, maybe 20-minute drive on the highway. there. It's it's it's relatively close. Very interesting. It's on my my bucket list to at least make it down to the state from Iowa and that conference does sound very cool. I've been looking into it. So hopefully one day make it down there and there's a few people from Oklahoma that won't talk to you unless

they meet you in person. So yeah. So this year, you know, I, Earlier this month, Shane and I were speakers at that conference. It was the first time we ever done that. So we did a presentation, did a two-hour run on Friday and a two-hour deal on Saturday. Troy asked us to come back next year. So we'll be speakers next year too. So if you want to try to make it, next year would be a good time to try to come. Absolutely.

Getting near the end of our chat, one last question for you. let's say there's someone who, you know, they're into Bigfoot. They want to, they want to come down and look for Bigfoot. Is it a thing where you can just go in and start looking in an area? Or did they, I know certain parts of the U.S., you got to be aware of rough terrain, creatures that are poisonous. Is Oklahoma like that? Yeah, I mean, we got a lot of things that it gets you, you know?

I mean, you got, depending on where you go, we got rattlesnakes, we got bears, we got mountain lions. Obviously, we got an African lion running around in southern Oklahoma. So, yeah, there's some things you've really got to watch out for and be careful about. And you get out southeast, the eastern Oklahoma, you're talking hundreds of thousands of just forest, you know. And I think that's the thing people think, a lot of people think Oklahoma is just a super flat, super plain area, you know, and that we all kind of ride horses everywhere we go, and it's not the truth. You know, we have that, you know, western Oklahoma is pretty flat, not a lot of trees, but you get over in a green country on the east side of Oklahoma, and it's a lot of forest, you know,

and you can get in there and get lost pretty quick. But, you know, if you're new to Bigfoot and you want to just go somewhere, you know, go southeast Oklahoma. You know, there's a little touristy town there called Hoachetown. goes there and rinse cabins. It's like one of the top 10 destinations in America, you know, right now. Go there. You know what I mean? The whole town is Bigfoot theme. You know, there's Bigfoot merchandise you can buy. There's stores named after Bigfoot stuff. And so go there, rent you a cabin. And I'm not, you know, I don't have any property there. So I'm not trying to make

any money off this deal. But go there, rent you a cabin, spend the week, spend a weekend, whatever, and drive around, you know, around Broganbo Lake and to the north there and go into the, you know, McCurton County or, yeah, McCurton County Reserve and check it out. I wouldn't recommend a beginner just to get out their vehicle and start hiking, you know, obviously. But drive around, you know, nose around, see what you see, you know. I mean, worst case thing is, you know, you have a good time, you know, so. That's awesome. Yeah, that's good advice. I love it.

Brian, this has been a really enjoyable chat with you. I always love chatting with people about Oklahoma and Bigfoot. Such a good time. Do you mind taking a few minutes letting my listeners know about how they can keep up to date with yourself and Southern Bigfoot Alliance? Yeah, you cut out on me again. I still get connection. But yeah, Southern Bigfoot Alliance, go there, join the group. I think we're not a huge group.

I think we're around 4,300 people. you know, as far as members. But yeah, check it out. Shane and I are pretty active. We like, our big thing is any kind of evidence we have, we want to share, our locations we share, we don't keep anything secret. If you join the group and you want to say, hey, Brian, I want to go to your Bison area. I want to go see what you're talking about.

I'll send you a pin drop, man. You can go. Like, it's not my place. I'm not trying to keep it private and be all sneaky about it. If you want to look at our cast, let me know. You know, heck, if I need to, I'll make you a replica and send it to you. You know, we believe in sharing everything we have. So we want people to look at it.

We want people to give us feedback, even if it's ugly. You know, if you look at something, you say, Brian, you're full of crap. That ain't real. You can tell me that. You know, you're not going to hurt my feelings. My mama doesn't believe me when I tell her about I saw Bigfoot. So if you tell me that I didn't see Bigfoot, it ain't going to affect me. I'm going to sleep just fine, you know.

But we want to really stress the alliance part of it, and that's why we have that in the name. And, you know, like I said, check us out on The Cryptoholic. You never know what you're going to see there. That is fantastic. Oh, Brian, such a good chat. Thank you so much for hanging out with me tonight, man. Yeah, appreciate it, buddy.

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