Bigfoot Society - "I Threw Down My Camera and Started Running After It."

Episode Date: November 24, 2023

Mark, a seasoned hunter from eastern Texas, recounts his encounters with mysterious figures resembling the legendary Bigfoot. He describes unique tracks and peculiar deer movements and share tales of humanoid entities with hairy bodies and quick, elusive maneuvers. Coupled with unexplained noises and disturbed livestock, these stories evoke a sense of uncanny still present in the wilderness. Mark also delves into folklore and tribal traditions, hypothesizing the survival of rogue individuals expelled from Native tribes, akin to secluded tribes around the globe. Despite skepticism from authorities and academics, he remains firm in his beliefs, citing physical evidence like footprints and poised to analyze some intriguing photographic proofs.Resources:WATCH THE IOWA EPISODE IN THE “SASQUATCH: A SEARCH FOR SABE” DOCUMENTARY SERIES BY TATE HIERONYMUS // FIND OUT ALL ABOUT MY FIRST BIGFOOT ENCOUNTERS! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo8O4rvywzESponsors:(If you are interested in having your company listed here as a sponsor of the Bigfoot Society podcast, please reach out to me at [e-mail])To unlock more bonus content and much more, become a supporting member of Bigfoot Society by joining the Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyBecome a Youtube Channel member here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinSupport Bigfoot Society one time by buying me a coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsociety To pick up a Bigfoot Society shirt, stickers and more, check out our merch by heading on over to https://www.etsy.com/shop/BigfootSocietyIf you’d like to send me fan mail, Bigfoot related products to check out or written out Bigfoot encounters then you reach me at the following address: Bigfoot Society 125 E 1st St. #233 Earlham, IA 50072Join our private Facebook group "Bigfoot Sasquatch Encounters" for a chance to connect with others who have had similar experiences. Follow the directions to ensure your entry is accepted.https://www.facebook.com/groups/5762233820540793/?ref=share_group_linkTune in to our YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q) for new episodes of Bigfoot Society, and visit our website (www.bigfootsocietypodcast.com) for all the links mentioned above and more.Don't miss out on the Bigfoot action! —— Affiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.—— MY GEAR —— My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYMy Podcast Mic: https://amzn.to/3AlYwb9My Computer: https://amzn.to/40CCjQyMy Headphones: https://amzn.to/40A8gcrMy Webcam: https://amzn.to/3Nqfddh

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The first thing goes through my mind is it's a hog because it's black and it's low to the ground. I take a few more steps and this thing went from ground level to a linebacker position. And I was just like, what the heck? Because hogs don't stand on their high legs or hogs don't grow like that. They're skinnish and run off. and then I looked at it again and it stood up and it turned around so smoothly from facing me to putting this back toward me just like it was so fluid and at that point I don't know I was going to John Wayne because I just threw the camera down pull my pocketknife and went running after it the Society podcast and I'm Jeremiah Byron every week I talk to individuals who have experienced Sasquatch in some way or another so you won't want to

miss an episode. Make sure you're subscribed on the platform that you're listening to and share this episode where the friend does not cost a thing and it helps the show continue to grow. If you'd like to hear Bigfoot Society episodes early and ad free, you can do so by becoming a Patreon supporter or a YouTube channel member. Links to those are in the show notes. In Bigfoot Society, I've taken far too much of your time so far, so let's get on with the show. All right, Bigfoot Society, we've got the privilege of talking to Mark tonight. He's a hunter

and fisherman from Eastern Texas. How's it going tonight, Mark? It's going good. How about you? It's going great. We're already talking a little bit before this, and I'm excited to talk to you about what you've been experienced down in Eastern Texas.

I've ever done for a living is hunting fish, and I've been Spent lots of times on the water and lots of times in the woods. And never thought my life would encounter anything where it's been. Are you able to share the area of eastern Texas that these encounters take place in? We have the most famous lake in the world, which is Lake Fork. There's a big bottom that goes from Lake Fork to Tewa County.

There's just a big bottom there that's unadhabited and everything else. and that's where my recent encounters have happened. Gotcha. And if you were looking at this on a map, Lake Fork would be east of Dallas. It looks like. But how far back does this happen? This last encounter was probably,

let's see, we're in November, so I'd say probably June, because I was just putting out cameras for my deer to see them eating on the protein and kind of, I give them names and stuff like that as they're growing up. Gotcha. Mark, what I'm going to do is I'm going to just let you do what you do best and just do you mind sharing your story of what happened? I'd love for people to know more about it because I'm always optimistic.

And this world has so many questions that are unanswered. And I don't want to ever feel like I'm making anything up or anything like that because this happened out of the occurrence, and there's strains. And just back up just a little bit. I carried a marine biologist one time, and I was telling him my story, and he said, Mark, he said, you'd be shocked at what we pull out of the ocean sometimes. And I said, well, I can't imagine what's in those woods. Backing up to my encounter, I'm putting out my game cams in the summer,

because I know these deer are in velvet, and I want to watch and see how many bucks I've got coming through my property. So I'm just lolly jagging around through the woods, the middle of the day, about 11 o'clock. Because my goal was to put my camera out and go eat lunch. And because I normally start my mornings about 5 o'clock, whether I'm working or not. And I'm walking across the pond dam and look up and I see a deer coming at me, and I'm thinking, that's weird. and it went to my right about 60 yards.

I walked a few more steps, and then here come another one. And you all should be going the other direction. My deer are semi-tame, I say that. They see me a lot, so they're not just terrified of me. But to run at me, that's a little bit interesting. As I'm walking across my pond dam, and I've got my cellular camera in my hand. Now, I don't like carrying my phone in the woods,

because if you're out there putting up tree ladders or deer stands and ladder stands, I don't want to lose my phone in the woods because I'd never find it. So I just don't even care of it in this. I'm in my side by side. But I do have my cellular camera that sends pictures back to my cell phone in my hand. I'm going across to put it up across the pond. I look up after these deer come at me and I had cut a limb off of a cedar tree that was about face high when you're in a side-by-side, and I'd turn this tour on my trail that slapped me in the face,

so I'd cut it off, and I just threw it down on the ground right there in this little opening. This little opening is about the side of two pickup trucks. And as I walk across the pond dam, I looked up, in the woods, you're going to be looking for movement at any time. And so I looked up, and I see something black in front of me, and I'm thinking, it's a pig. I've got a lot of wild hogs in that bottom. The first thing goes through my mind is it's a hog because it's black and it's low to the ground. I take a few more steps, and this thing went from ground level to a linebacker position.

And I was just like, what the heck? Because hogs don't stand on their high legs or hogs don't grow like that. They usually skimish and run off. and then I looked at it again and it stood up and it turned around so smoothly from facing me to putting its back toward me just like it was so fluid and at that point I don't know I was going to John Wayne

because I just threw the camera down and pulled my pocket knife and went running after it and at this time I'm 30 yards when I take off running and it's 30 yards from me it steps in those woods and I just disappeared. I couldn't believe how fast it got away from my vision. Now, my wood isn't completely thick,

but I should have been able to see this thing for at least 100 yards before it crossed my fence row, and I never seen it again at that point. I went back to my cabin, pulled out a pen and some paper, and I drew a sketch of what I had just seen because it was fresh on my mind. And I was flustered. I was flustered pretty good because I was just like, man, I'm not supposed to be seeing this here. I went back and got a tape measure after I drew the picture up on a piece of paper.

And I knew where it walked beside this tree. I went over to that tree and I measured to where I've seen a knot. The last visual I've seen is it walked by this tree was the knot that I cut a limb off was even with it's right here. Now, I didn't see no ears. It was too hairy to see any ears, but about where I would assume the ear would have been on its right side. And I thought when I first seen it get up, to be honest with you, I thought it was five, maybe six feet tall. And I'm about five, ten, five, eleven.

When I got to the tree and measured it, I was the little socket. It measured at six six at the right earhole. So they would have put the top of the head about, I'd say, close to seven. somewhere in that range. And I started looking around and I found three sets of tracks where it went in. And you can see the depression in the ground and you can see where it smashed the pine needles down. I can see no toes, but you can see the outline of the foot, but no toes because it's just good hard ground.

What's funny is one of the tracks sunk in and I stood right beside that track and I couldn't sink the dirt in. Every end it was, I'm 250. it's heavier than me. It didn't look heavier than me, but it was because of that one step, because I couldn't make it go down. A few days goes by, and I'm out again, and I'm going up that little trail on the side by side, and I just see a black flash.

This is a large from where I've seen it go into that tree, and it goes across the trail. It was so fast. It was like, if you blink your eyes, somebody just threw a football across the snow. That's how fast it went across the trail. And I never said it going through the woods or nothing again. And I was just, at that point, I was just like,

golly, now I've seen it twice. I said, this is, I'm going to get it. I'm going to get a picture of it somehow. So I have 10 gang cams out. I'm thinking, if you walk through my property, I'm going to catch you on one of them, somewhere somehow. And I kept waiting to get a picture about four days later. I'm going through there to check my cameras.

and I see it on my neighbor's property just on my back fence, and I was able to pull my phone up and snap a picture, and it's a pretty interesting picture, and it looks just like what I seen walk away from me four days prior, or three or four days prior, and that's the last that I've seen it. Now, what's interesting is opening morning of deer season on rifle season, I was listening, and I've heard these things supposedly whistle.

I'm not sure if that's any truth of that or not. But I heard three whistles that morning in the woods, and they were several hundred yards apart, and it's just a one. It's all. If you had a buddy deer hunting, you go, I'm over here. I'm over here. And it's just a simple whistle. I heard those three whistles in a triangle area, and they come together.

together. And you can tell when they got closer, they whizzled until they got closer. And it could have been people for that matter. I don't know. But then I heard the dog gone. You remember the old Bullwiser commercial they used to go, like that? Yeah. It was kind of, ah! No way.

It's what it sounded like. It's like, and I was like, what? And then the next thing I know, I heard it like two more noises, weird sound. I can't even try to do it. I can't even tell you what it sounds like. It wasn't a whoop or whatever.

But it went back down in this bottom toward the lake. All this is happening pretty much in that one little corner of my property. I've got pretty heavy cameras in there, but I'm still waiting on the next encounter. But I want to back up one thing in 2020, where I had my game cameras out. I was checking cameras one day, and I went through the pictures, and I seen two pigs in the middle of the day, and they're running.

And I'm thinking, I'm always looking to see what my deer are running from, or my hogs are running from. Well, it's a cow or hog dogs or whatever. And I go to the next frame, the next picture, and I see this thing coming up out. I've got a little creek that runs through my place, and I see this thing coming up out of the creek. at 60 feet in front of my camera might even be a little further, but it was pretty good waist. And I showed it to Jeff Melram. Most people in the Bigfoot world know Jeff Meldrum. He thought it was pretty interesting.

And I showed him some of the tracks that I found. He thought it was pretty interesting. But it looks like a gorilla. That's all I can tell you. It looks just like a gorilla. It's on its knees, and it's coming up out of that creek, and it's got a big, gray nose and he's got nostrils you can put your thumb in. It's crazy.

I'll shoot you all the creatures I got because that right there is something like, some people go, that's a bird. I ain't never seen pigs run from a bird and I can't make out a bird of it. I'm at a gorilla more than anything. Everybody has zoomed it in, said it's a gorilla. And at one point in the picture, let's just say you put your thumb or your fingers in your pocket like your right pocket and how you're or if you just put your finger your hand on your waist how your little pinky kind of pops out like i'm doing it right now i'm just putting my

pressure on my right pocket of my leg and my pinky just sticks straight out i'm not even trying to it it sticks out in this picture of what looks to be a gorilla you can see a finger you can see a gray finger it's the only thing it can be you can follow the arm all the way down and there's the there's the finger sticking out there. I don't want to think you, but you can see the finger. To say I have something, I've got a neighbor across the street. I sell him the pictures. He's got a little bit more records than I do. He was intrigued by them, and we're going to keep eyes out and see what happens next. Dr. Meldrum has seen the photo. Your neighbor has, it doesn't sound like this has been on the internet at all. No. Yeah, that'd be very interesting

to see that. So going back to when you had seen the creature, would you be able to be able to to talk through what you drew of the creature, what details you might remember. Yeah, and I can send you, my, I took a picture of my little drawing, which if any of the listeners right now have ever watched the Admas family, it looked like Cousinette. You remember Cousinette? It was just a little fur ball. Yep. That's what it was, but it was black.

So basically, when I drew it on the paper, I drew it about the size of my thumb, and they just made the hair outlines, but you could definitely see, and I still remember this right now in my mind, just like I'm looking at it. I remember the back of the head being a little bit taller than the front, not like a slide slope, but definitely bigger in the back than it was in the front, if that makes any sense. It's not like it's got a chronicle head or whatever people say or whatever. This is Sophia Bush from Work in Progress with Sophia Bush. And now a break from our sponsor, Miracle Grow. Let's be real.

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This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. It didn't look like that. It just looked like it definitely was taller at the back and a little shorter above the four end. I do know what you mean, yeah. So it's interesting. I've never heard anyone else. use the analogy of Cousin It, which I totally know what you're talking about. Is there a certain reason?

Definitely, there might be too young. Oh, they definitely would be. I just know it because I used to watch Nick at Night as a lot, being a lot younger back in the day. But anyways, what were the specific things you noticed about it that made you call it Cousin It, that made you jump right to that analogy? It was, it's pretty hairy. It's pretty. I hear a lot of people say we've seen one and it was like it had the mange or hair was missing.

And I can see that because the picture of what I call the gorilla, there's a spot right between its eyes on the top of its head that a big chunk of hair is missing. How many times do you walk through the woods with a ball cap on and the limb knocked your head off or hat off? This gorilla pitcher has a spot right there on top of its head that you would think was kicking. and limbs and jerking all the hair out. It's a big old bald spot, pretty obviously. But the shine, now here's something that I seen two different times on it. One time I was seeing it across the fence after it was chasing the pigs, my girlfriend and I were traveling around the back,

and I've seen something on the other side of the fence, low to the ground. And I just said, I don't remember that stump being there, and next thing I know it took off and it was low of the ground. I think that was a pig. But I remember seeing what looked to be like a silver street down its back when it was that day across. When I saw it turn and walk away from me two months ago, three months ago, in June, it looked like right between the shoulder blades. It had about 16 to 18 inches of either white hair or silver hair between the shoulder blades. I'll never forget it because it stuck out big time.

But I also thought, could that be a glimmer? And then I thought, no, because what I've seen across that pence a year or so ago, it had the same thing. So I think I'm dealing with the same whatever. Not a unicorn, I can tell you that. You said it's not a glimmer. Can you define what you mean by that? It's like if sunlight hits a horse's hair, it'll just get that glare. Okay.

The shiny side, like it's using. or whatever, make it shine. Totally got it. And one of the pictures I took, where it's going the other side before it took off running, you can see that same shimmer. You can see it, and it's 100 yards away from me. I say it's 100 yards away.

Maybe it's 70 yards away from it. But I got a pretty good picture of it. You can zoom it in and see that shine off the hair. So the hair seems to be long and black. I don't see any color difference. It looks like black as the age of space. It's black. We don't have bears in East Texas.

You can go north here toward Oklahoma and maybe see a few stragglers coming down. Where I'm at, I don't know if a bear's ever been seen in our county, ever. It's a bear. Look, this thing was so fast, a bear can go that fast if it's been driven behind a truck. It's not possible. It's not possible. The steps weren't very far apart going into that tree line because it had just turned around. And it didn't have to take but three steps, and it was in the woods.

You see what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. So those steps were not like he was trying to get away at that point. And I never could find any in the woods because of the undergrowth and forage and stuff like that in there. But the ones going in, you can see the depression done in the outline of them and stuff like that. How long would you say the tracks were? 10 to 12, maybe. Okay.

I probably lean more to the 12s. Sure. It's just hard to estimate when you're looking at it on the ground. But I wear a 10 and a half, and it was ever been as long as my foot. But that's in a boot, so if you measure, the boot was probably 12 inches. About, so cousin it, we're just going to refer to that. I'm sorry. That's the only thing I can describe it. I see, go for it.

Go for it. It sounds like you got a look. at the face of the creature. Was the whole face covered with hair then? I never got, all I got to see is the back of the head. Ah, okay, okay. Gotcha. Never did get to see the deal, but you could tell when it went, as it turned around,

you could tell that it was big at the back and it was just, I don't know, my dad may slope like that. I don't know. It was just a gradual decline, and I mean, that's all I never got to see the face. I want to see the face, but never got to see the face. I just got to see the side in the head. And I couldn't even see an ear because if it had an ear, it was either really small or it's covered completely by hair.

When you see the pictures I send you, it's pretty woolly. I can't imagine how hot it is in this Texas heat. Exactly. When it's moving away from you, did you notice anything about the arms or the legs at all? No, because, see, the bush was at the tree limb that I had cut. It stands about four feet tall Okay

It was most of that was behind it So when it turned and went away I'm looking from its torso up And it's like its arms Were right up against its side So when it went in It was almost one uniform shape So to speak

It's not like it was slinging its arms left and right It was just like you just turn around real slow And just walked It didn't act like it was scared When it was walking Before I took off running it was walking. But when I ran, that's one either it's side late.

I better get it or whatever. I can't believe it'd be scared of me. But when I started running, it just, it was gone. It was so bad. I'm still blown away by how fast it actually got into those woods and I never seen it again. That's impossible. Because you said that you had, you were chasing after it with, you said, a pocket knife or what type of knife again? Yeah.

So when I finished, I carried it. a small pocket knife. But when I'm in the woods, I carry a big pocket knife. I say a big pocket knife. It's a five inch. And it's razor sharp. I keep it sharp at all times. But it's the only thing I had.

I just didn't know what else do. If I want to have, you know, I carry my nine with me now all the time. I don't go in those woods without nine. Even if I'm bow-hunting, I got it with me. Especially after what I've seen, I'm just like, and I'm back there at bow-hunting. What am I going to do, poking him on an arrow? So I want to have protection.

I don't know that I would shoot one. This depends. I don't know that I was shot. I'm not going to shoot anything. I don't know what it is, period. But if it turns and counters me, then I have to make a decision. Whether me or him, and that might bring a decision on the plate. But I don't want to shoot one.

I just want to get a good visual one with the things that have happened to me in my life in the last 10 years from HUD and experience. and stuff. Now I'm really by more than anything. Now, my family has Indian heritage, so if you don't know this, every Indian tribe actually has a name for it.

Every Indian tribe has a name for it. Even Eskimos have a name for it. So I wasn't too much into it. Didn't care whether they existed or not. I've been in the woods all my life, didn't care. But now that the things have happened

to me, I started looking into it. it more and I'm starting to put pieces together that's happened to me through the years thinking I've been around these things a lot more than I thought I had been. Some of the things I've had in, the tracks and stuff like that. Oh, it's pretty interesting. Never thought he'd be right here in my backyard. Exactly, right. No one ever thinks that.

You've talked to your neighbors as well about them seeing creatures on their land as well, it sounds like. No, I have one neighbor that we've done. communicate on deer, which I'm saying this deer, are you staying it on your property, blah, blah, blah. And I asked him, I said, you're further down in that bottom than I am in. You ever have anything weird down there? And he goes, what are you talking about? And I showed him the picture of that.

No. He said, but send me that picture. And so I sent him the picture. And he says, I hear some things down there, but I ain't ever seen nothing. Oh, okay. And I was like, you know, I'm only like. 500 yards from you. Yeah.

I'm in the catty corner of your fence. You're down in the bottom. I might keep an eye out. See what was anything happening down there? He never texts back that he's seen anything, but he was like, I need to see that picture. And I showed that picture. You send that to me.

Have you heard any screams or whoops or anything? Yes. Okay. Okay. Never paid no mind. I never did. I'd be down there hunting pigs with thermal at night and hear stuff.

They're like, what? What is that? I've heard mountain lions. I've heard bobcats, foxes. They all make interesting noises, but you can tell you. Some of these things, you can't put an animal to the sound, so to speak.

And I heard some pigs scream for bloody murder back there. And we've had some pigs show up with ears missing. I seem that was hog hunters. But we've had some pigs that were dead, found dead on my property and they had an ear missing. And I thought that was pretty strange. But I don't know. That could be hog hunters, taking the ears of trophy or whatever.

It sounds like you've got an eye out on your property now. You're always looking for something to show up, which is cool. 10 cameras. Yeah. Something I also wanted to talk to you about, and this is getting off subject just for a little bit. just because that area, Texas, is also known for some other things as well. And so I'm just throw it out there. If you've ever seen or heard anyone that's had an encounter with like an upright canine ever or something called a dog man, no?

No. I heard this dogman theory and I'm not going to say it don't exist. Again, I'm going to be optimistic. I'm even optimistic that most likely a unicorn don't exist, but you're sure as I say, you know, somebody will find one. So I'm always going to be optimistic because of that, but I never heard anything like that. What's pretty interesting, Jeremiah, because now that I've had this and started looking into it, I hear these so-called experts say they follow waterways.

You've got to think about where I'm at. We had the salving to the south. We had to suffer to the north, and in the Trinidad, too far back that way to the west, we're kind of in the middle of a lot. And, of course, you got Caddo Lake, the Faulkness Monster out of Arkansas, the Faulkmaster or the Legend of Boggy Creek. That's less than 70 miles from me, or where Boggy Creek runs into Caddo Lake. Oh, there's no doubt about it that you are in the right area where a lot of stuff happens.

So it's not out of the question that it doesn't sound like you have a zoo right next door where like a gorilla could get loose from, right? When people said that gorilla, when I showed people that picture that one, they said that somebody must have got one look, it got loose in a zoo. I said, dang, the zoo had a, there's been no gorilla in a zoo lost around here ever, so don't make up stories. Gotcha. The other question I've been throwing out just for fun. is any stories you've ever heard of people seeing something that resembles like a hyena? You're talking about like a chukkah. Not chupacabas are awesome, but this would be, that's a good question.

I've never heard anything like that around here. Okay. Yeah, usually a hyena sighting would be totally different than a chupacabra. But yeah, I guess down there you're going to ask. There's people that actually breed hyenas, and I wouldn't be shocked. or some in Texas. Oh, yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point.

Yeah. I've seen a video of people that bred them and they got them as pets. We were talking earlier about you've had some interesting things you've seen up in, in Oklahoma as well. Do you mind sharing about that for a bit? No, that's really where all this starts. That's where it got interesting through the years. and like I said, who would have ever thought?

I could have this happened in my backyard, and I tell people you can't unsee what you've seen. You can't do it. And you might make up stories, but you're making up a story on something you never seen. But when you've seen it, and if you, people that know me, and if you ask them about me,

they're going to tell you, hey, that's the most honest guy you're ever going to meet. My people tell me I'm too honest. My daddy told me not to ever tell a lie. you tell a lie, you got to cover it up with another one. So I just tell it like it is and you can take it for what it is and that's just the way it is. So getting to my Oklahoma story, and I want to start from not the exact beginning, but it's part of the beginning. So I'm going to, this old man was a friend of my best friend and he told us to come up and deer hunt with him.

He said to come up here. He goes, I stay up here by myself. He bought this acreage. I can't remember how many acreages it is. total, but it's kind of bottleneck, south of Tulsa, and he had told us when he bought it, he keeps all the cows on this side because on the other side of the creek, it was just, he'd lose a cow if it got over there, so he would never go over there. And he's a lazy old man, so if he's going to hunt, he sure ain't going back there to put no effort

in it. He didn't hunt the matter. He had told us when he bought that place that he had found a human skeleton up in these rock formation and had a spine on it. And I thought, well, that's pretty cool. I'd like, where's that at? And I went and looked far. He told me I never did find it in anything else. This is Sophia Bush from Work in Progress with Sophia Bush.

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it may have some instances with that, for that matter, might have been a juvenile aisle one for that, what matter. Here's how the story goes. We're hunting, been there hunting, we probably hunted there five, six years, never nothing weird, just typical deer hunting. Oklahoma is a two-week season, so we're there during the week of Thanksgiving, and then it's over. It's a week after, the week of and a week after.

So we go up there. We hunt for three or four, five days, and then go up to another place in Oklahoma and hunt again. We're walking down the fence road before daylight, or right at daylight. I'm going to cross this big creek, which is about a 20-putting bar up on the other side. It turns into an old logging road.

So there used to be an old bridge at one time there, and it's blown out. This logging roads on the other side, and I had a deer feeder sitting way back in there, and it took me a pretty good little jog to get back there. in the dark. And it was, I'm not scared to anything

I know of, but it was pretty scary walking in there in the dark because you can't see your hand in front of your face. We're walking down the fence road and all of a sudden his cows come running over at us.

It's like, not like we were going to feed them, but like a stampede. And they're just mo, and we're like, my best friend, he's a city boy,

so he has no idea about cows, nothing whatsoever. He looks at me and says, what's wrong with them cows? I was like, Dude, I don't know. I've hunted all over America.

I've been running deer for years. I've seen them around mountain lines, bears, wolves, coyotes. I never seen no cows act like these. I guess they've got the mad cow disease, making a humorous part of it. They ran back out, and you can silhouette them in the pasture a little bit because it's not daylight. The sun is coming up, so the skyline's bright, but the lower base is dark still. They make about a, I don't know, 50 to 75-yard circle.

And they came back and they ran into that bomb wire fence at full speed, just like you were herding Buffalo off a cliff or whatever. And they cut their cell. They bit three of the T-posts over with the weight of them hitting it at a pretty good speed. We jumped back. What the heck? And my buddy says, man, something I rolled with him cows. And he said, what are you thinking?

I said, dude, I don't tell you, I don't know. But I can tell you this, whatever's scaring them might scare me. I ain't going in the woods till I can see it. I just got a bow and arrow. You got a bow and arrow. I ain't going in. I didn't even have my pistol on me. He said, I'm going to go get the blind.

He wrote out and get the blind. I'll wait there for a little bit. I decided, I better get going because that's a long ways back there to my feeder. And it's probably already gone off, and I'm going to walk up and scare the deer I'm trying to kill. I started up this logging row. It's one of them cool mornings, not a hot morning and not a cold morning, but a little hard for a jacket if you're going to be hiking like I was, three-quarters of a mile to get to that stand back there. So I'm going up this logging road, and I'm walking up the logging road, and I stop to take my jacket off to stick it in my backpack. I understand when I get back there, I carry a backpack because I'm going to stay all day.

I ain't going back there for two hours in the morning, two hours even. I'm staying all day. So I stick in my jacket in my backpack, and I'm out in the middle of that logging road, and that's when I look up and I see a big track right in the middle of that road. And it's obvious what made it. You can count all by our toes. I didn't measure it, but I guess it could be 15 inches, and it's about 7 to 8 inches wide. I see it, and I'm just like, oh, my Lord.

And I turn and look, and I see which direction it went, and it went off the road, and it's going toward this rock formation over on the hill. Jeremiah, those tracks were between three and a half and four feet apart in stride. And when it stepped off the road, it sunk like three inches. It sunk. And I was like, oh, man. And it was just, when it got off that logging road and started going toward that hill, you could see how much it was sinking in the ground and how much money was flicked.

You run a horse through a muddy area. It just trumps it up. They sink and the mud goes everywhere and all that. So I'm like, man. So I found a rock, and I put it on that track. And I said, I'm going to bring my best friend back in there and show him that. Now I know what has scared those cows. That's what scared those cows.

In front of me, somehow. So I walk up the logging road about 20 more yards out here. Just like a baseball bat. It hits wood. I didn't know what that was. Didn't have a clue. Didn't care. I just want to get back to my stand, but to be honest, will you, after seeing that track,

I'm not deer hunting anymore. I'm looking for what made that track, and I want to see it before it sees me. So I'm going back in there, and I get in my stand. I stay all day. I'm looking. I've seen a few deer, but didn't see a lot that day. It didn't seem like they were moving around very good, and it might be because this thing was in the area. I come out of there, told my best friend the next day, I said,

I know what scared, or when we got out of the woods at night, I said, I know what scared those cows. He said, what's that? I said, Bigfoot. He said, Bigfoot, you and Bigfoot. I said, Scott? I said, how many years we've been up together? He said, about 30. I was like, have you ever heard me say anything about Bigfoot?

And he said, nope. I said, I'll tell you. I've got a track up there in that logging road. It's going to freak you out when you see it. You're going to look at me and go. And I said, you just want to show it to you more. I got a rock laid up there in a road, looking, where's it? So I took it back in there and showed him the next day.

That's pretty interesting. He said, that's pretty interesting. Still skeptical, didn't want to believe it. But he was like, because he thought I might have been playing an oxy. I'm not a holster. I'm a prankster sometimes, but I'm not a hoaxter. So he's like, that's pretty interesting. So we went on and hunted, never seen nothing else.

Blah, blah, blah. we try to go back a year or two after and they have a big flood and we can't get to the other side of the creek where we have two bo-featers over there one for him and one for me if he decides to bow on and so we couldn't get back there and fill them up because of the flood so I said we're going for in the summertime when the creek is low down and there's no water in there are very little bit of water in it there's always water in it but it won't be a bunch

so I come back about two years later and I come in, I think it's June or July. So I pulled down my four-wheeler off, and I'm trying to get my four-wheater loaded up the corn, and I go down to creek, and I'm looking around to see where that... I used to get a good road up that embankment at a 45 and catch a logging road and go back and fill my feeder up. It all washed out when you had a big flood.

It just washed the whole embankment out. So I'm walking around in the creek, and I hear this... At that point, I had a 40 caliber on my side, because I knew I was going to see a snake on that creek somewhere, somehow. So I always carried my pistol for shooting snakes in the summertime. This thing was up on this ledge, and it grounded. I mean, it sounds like a dog, but it sound like a bull at the same time. I know we don't have no cattle on that side of the creek, so whatever this is, I'm thinking, and I've never heard anything like that,

but I got a 40 caliber. I'm a pretty good shot. Don't mess with me or I'll shoot you, whatever. It does it about probably four times, but in about a 20-minute span. And at that time, I start walking down the creek to look for another place to get my four-wheeler up the creek channel. And I can hear it walking with me up on top of this hill.

Can't see it. I've done it's 20-foot deep in that creek probably, or at least did thing. And I can hear it walking through the brush up there. And I go down this way, and then I hear it's following me. It's tracking me or whatever. Now, that's pretty interesting. Whatever it is definitely paying attention to me.

And at that point, I turned and I looked up and I think seven sets of tracks coming off the side of that creek bluff, and they were going in an angle instead of just jumping straight off. It was like I did my forwarder. I get a run at it and I angle and go up. These were coming down. So I went over there and put my boot beside them. And they were about 11 inches

long, but what I thought was weird about those is that the toes were long like my fingers. They weren't like big and round. They were really long and skinny. You can see the big toe was more like a thumb. The other ones were

all long and skinny. And they were about three maybe three and a half foot apart. It didn't have near as big a stride as the one I'd seen years prior. And I was like, oh man, there's a different one because I knew those weren't from the same one I'd seen earlier several years before. And I was like, I had taken pictures of the ones that I found three or four years before,

and I had them at one of my phones, and I had lost. I'd transferred my pictures from one phone to another, and then sometimes with my game cams, go on my cell cam and sometimes I just go there and delete pictures. And I either deleted them or they got removed when I switched fold. So I didn't have those first sets of tracks. I had them in an email because I emailed them just a couple of people so I can look back through my email and find them.

But it may be thousands of them to go through. But I definitely got them an email because I remember emailed them to a few people. I go up there to get a cattle panel. I'm going to get a cattle panel laying on the side of the creek where I can catch it with my knobies and go up and catch that logging road. And I was just going to wire this cattle panel on the side of the creek kennel so I can get a run and get tracks in and get

on the back area because I'm not hauling corn back here on my back. I'm getting it on that four-witter and I'm two-wheel drive. I'm going up to the barn to get the cattle panel and the owner's up there at the barn. So I said, hey buddy. I said, have you got a digital camera? And he said, I do. I said, you've got a big foot living on this dead gun place because I found some more tracks.

You remember them I found a couple years ago? He said, yep. I said, I found some more today. They're not as big, but they're back there. And he was like a kid in the candy store. So I said, get your digital camera and meet me down at that creek. And we'll get some cameras that I want them on an SD card group so we can't lose them. I don't want to lose them.

And he gets his camera and I'm down there firing his cattle panel up. He comes down there and says, he's looking at me. He said, man, that's pretty good idea, Mark. I would have never thought that. I said, I'm a McGiver on this type. stuff. I could come up with things. He said, yeah, I would have never thought that you put that cattle panel down on that soft sand and you just run over it and go back there. We're sitting there talking. He's on a Polaris and all of a sudden he goes again. And I'm telling you this old

man's eyes got as big around. It's soft. He looked at me and said, Mark, I'm 73 years old. I ain't never heard nothing like that. I started laughing. I said, it's already done that to me like five times or six times. He said, I don't have a clue. I said, I knew it wasn't there in your cows because you wanted to have cows over. He said, but I wouldn't put my cows over. I wouldn't never find them. He said, but I ain't never heard nothing like that. So we're sitting there talking again and we try to get quiet. We start here to make some, I don't know, it made a couple weird little bee noise. It's not like a mouse, like a, like it was popping its lip to be like that, like that. And I was like, he goes, that's weird. So anyway, it grabbed us about three. It's

about three or four more times and it just got quiet. But we could hear it up there moving around when we was move or whatever. We could hear it. He gets the pictures. He's, I can't wait to show him to the game, Morden, because that's just crazy. So he takes all these pictures, and he's got them on his camera. And I get on back here and fill my feeder up. I never see nothing when I get on top of that hill, never did or anything like that.

When I was getting back there to hunt, when we came to hunt, during the fall, I was going up that logging road. And when I showed my best friend that track a few years before, With a rock, I moved those rocks, the rock to the side. When I came back hunting this time, there was two rocks in the middle of the road. And I'm thinking, I didn't put them there. I've removed them from last time. Those rocks haven't been there in years.

And there was only one, but this time there was two. I'm starting to go back there to hunt. And I take my feet before we started our hunt, actually, is when it was. And there's a tree laying across the road. I'm thinking, that's weird. I got to go back to the game warden story real quick, but we'd back up or we'd go back to the tree.

He goes and shows the Game Ward and two weeks later in Game Ward and told them they were bear tracks, but they're not bear tracks. They were too long to be bare track and bear don't have a three and a half foot stride. Anyway, and he said, I got behind his house, he heard some noises behind the house for about a week

and they disappeared. That was all before we got to go up there and hunt before the tree and the rocks. We go back up there and I'm going across, and there's this tree that's uprooted, it's got a root ball on the end of, it. It's laying across my trail, the logging road. You'd speak around as a football. 15, 18 p. long. It's not something you're going to pick up real easy and move.

I was able to grab one in and just move it around off the road and going in there with my four-wheeler. I could have probably just jumped over it, but I thought, well, I don't want to do that can take too much time. I just go ahead and move it out of ways. I got off, moved out way. I go back there and I hunt. About two days later, I'm going back in there, and the two rocks are back in the road, And the tree was across the road again. I'm thinking, okay, somebody's jacking with me. This is crazy. This isn't.

I still never found where that root ball come from. I looked all up and down the side of the road. And here's a tree that's got a pretty good root ball on it, bigger than a trash can, not bigger than a five-gallon bucket, that's what I'm saying. And I can't see anywhere where it's been uprooted. It was put there in that road. There's nowhere up down that road I can see where that thing was jerked out at.

I moved them again, another day or two. Never seen nothing. Never seen nothing else. Never heard of it. We came back to next year, and about 100 yards before my deer stand, a bigger tree was laid across the road.

And this one was big enough. You wasn't going to move it unless you had a tracker. So it could have been a deadfall, but I never could find where it fell. It was like a tree top and fell out, and then something was just put in there. I never did see the root ball was it or anything like that. I could see where it fell out.

And so that was basically the end. I never did see anything else other than that. But I've kept my eyes open, and, of course, we don't hunt there no more. The old man's moved on and all that kind of stuff, so we don't hunt there anymore. But he did say his neighbor had one on a trail cam or a game cam, but I never did get a chance to go see that either. But that's my almost story. Mark, it's a wild one, especially that noise that you guys heard. Are you able to share any more specifics about the area that was?

I know you mentioned it was like south at Tulsa, right? This is Sophia Bush from Work in Progress with Sophia Bush. And now a break from our sponsor, Miracle Grow. Let's be real. We're all feeling a little digitally distracted and time starved lately. We're craving real connections and ways to unplug. And honestly, gardening is the ultimate way to do this. It isn't just about plants.

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collagen and protein shakes, and new vital proteins collagen sparkling waters, so you can stay vital, stay you. Visit vital proteins.com to learn more and where to buy. These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease. Yeah, Bristol, we thought it, is out of Bristol, And between Bristol and there's a national forest there or a, I forget what they call them, wildlife management areas.

We were hunting, there's a wildlife management area probably about five miles from them. Actually, it's probably five miles from us. And we were back down in there between Bristol and that wildlife management area, which is, I think there's two or three big creeks in there at that time. I don't know what the names of them are, but those creeks, they travel all. up through there and all. Yeah, Bristol. Or BR-S-T-O-W is. I don't know how they pronounce it up there.

Very interesting. I'm sure there'll be some listeners that hear this, and they might even know that same area. It'll be interesting to hear if anyone reaches out. They've seen something in that area. It would be great. Once you've seen it, you just can't see that. It's not like imaginary.

I've got imaginary friend over here. It's not like that. I sure changed my head of. a lot when I'm in the woods. I am on guard like nobody's business. Going back to your property down in Texas, do you think that there's two different types of Bigfoot down there? You mentioned you have the picture of the gorilla, then you have the cousin It. I think the gorilla and the cousin It are the same, but I think the same one. Okay. Yeah, because they're all in this corner, and it's the thickest corner on my property.

It is the thickest cover on my property. So it makes total sense. If you're going to hide, you're going to hide where it's thickest. And it's in that little area where it can be undetected. I can see it moving. The guy behind me is on a wildlife ag exhibit. They only bo-hunt, and they're just there very seldom. Nobody owns the 12 acres to the north of me that's pretty thick.

Never seen anybody over there ever. and that's where I think it's if it has a home or where it's hanging out I think that's where it's hanging because that's the thickest place and there's something to think about it and I thought about this after

I heard people say they've seen them 8, 9, 10, 12 feet tall and 12 would be just actually a gigantic epithicous and that's what I think some of these might be you guys think about this if you're going through the woods

and the woods are thick and it's just standing there and all you're going to feast two legs and the cover's got everything else broken up if it's fairly tall so if you're not looking mid-range you can probably miss it completely because you're just sitting the legs or trees

that's in my opinion if it was very tall if it was 8, 9, 10 feet tall whatever I would think of some of the brush that I'm looking at the underbrush comes up so far you can see trees so far that middle torso area would just be camouflaged by trees you wouldn't be looking at it as it's something solid.

You just see two legs a little like two trees. Oh, you would be the weirdest thing in the world. I couldn't imagine how we even get through there. Yeah. I couldn't imagine you could do it, but hey, I want to back that up with something. I have watched elk that have horns as wide as the hood of my truck run through a forest and not hit hardly a branch or not take their head to them off. And I'm thinking, how is that possible?

I've seen elk with massive racks go through some of the tithest cover. They'll lean that head back and run right through there a hundred mile and hour to get away from you. And you would think that their horns would catch a limb and jerk their head, flood back or do a backflip. I'm going to right through there. It's amazing what they can do. But I want to give you something else. So people ask me, do you believe I almost had to now?

I said, did I care before? I always thought there's, I'm always optimistic. It looks like the white deer exists, but if you're going to try to find one, you'll spend a lot of money trying to find one and probably not ever buy one. Unless somebody says, hey, I got one in my backyard eating cherries. So I look at it like that. White deer exists, but how many do you see when you're hunting? It's pretty rare.

I think there's more than people think there is. I definitely think, you know, there's too many people, a million sightings a year, probably whatever it is, or a hundred thousand, I don't know. They all can't be hoaxers and liars. It can't be. Have you thought to yourself, what is it that it actually is? It has to be, it's got to be a cross. It's got too much intelligence, man, to be.

I won't say that one hadn't been killed because I think some probably were killed in the 18, 19-19-hundred. If you look into Teddy Roosevelt, I think it was, Teddy Roosevelt wrote a book about one killing one. And they were running track line, and one of his best friends got killed running tracks by one. And supposedly he shot at it or killed it or whatever. I can't remember the name of the book that Teddy Roosevelt. But I don't even remember what year that was because I'm older than that. But so it's like this.

It's got to have the Neanderthal survival deal. and maybe it's an ape. We'll go back to this thing called Gigantic Epificus. It's something that wasn't supposed to make it through the ice age that did. There's a lot of things. Gar, bow fin, several fish

made it through the ice age age. Why couldn't it a mammal? It has intelligence it's a place maybe to get warm, stay warm, or figure it out, or whatever. So I'm just kind of be a cross of something. It just has, but I see what I've seen and it has a human foot track, for the most part, other than the one has the long fingers.

That was real scratching my head, but I will say this. I did find a track online. It looked just like what I found in the second time at Bristol. I did find one just like it online. So evidently it's something that happens from time to time or maybe the way it steps or whatever. But, man, there's just so much in this world we don't know about. Oh, I know it.

But it has intelligence because how can you, survive and not be detected on a daily basis as is. But here's the other thing. And I say this to some of my friends, they say, man, you ought to go out and do some some of these night searching. Well, look, I've seen some of these TV shows, and I'm not going, I don't want to use the word idiot, but I want to put it in a paraphrase so you understand it a more. If you go hunting something black in the dark and night, even if you find it, you're still

at zero. Does that make sense? Yeah. I don't understand it. These things are seen in the daytime as much as they're seen at night. Right. Why would you not try to prove the species in a daytime? Because if you find them at night on a thermal, there's still skepticism that's going to show up.

Mm-hmm. People are going to go, well, it can be a human. Because you ain't got, but if you got in the daytime, it's a little bit more convincing because you get a better picture. So I don't like to use the word idiot, so I'll retract that. But I'm just saying that I'm not going to be. go looking for something black in the black of the night. I don't care if you call it up or whatever because I call coyotes up at night and I call coyotes up in the daytime.

If it's a predator, it's looking for a meal. I don't care what time it is. I get hungry at 8 o'clock in morning. I get hungry at midnight. I'm going to get up and go feed. Oh, absolutely. Mark, it has been a really fun chat with you. And I would love it if you could, if there's other stuff that happens on your property,

Definitely keep me up to date and send me an email. Man, I want to kill it. And right now, I'm going to tell people that said, whatever. I say, hey, I'll take a polygraph. I know what I've seen. I can't take that back. I ain't trying to pull a little bull over nobody's eyes or nothing. And I'm just like here in East Texas.

I'm shocked. I really am because this is not supposed to happen where I'm at. My brother-in-law, he was like, boy, I don't know what you got going on down there, you got going on something. I want to mention one of the things. You hear the term with the orbs and stuff with Bigfoot. Yep. I've had a couple of deals on camera that look like little orbs.

And people say, well, that's dust particles going through the air. So I'm like, yeah. We've seen some that looked like a Z. We've seen something look like a Christmas ornament and all that's kind of stuff. But one morning, I'm down here in my hunting bind, and I text my brother while he's hunting out of his hunting by it at another place. I said, you wouldn't believe what I'm looking at. He said, what's that?

I'm looking up in a tree, and it's like there's a spotlight up there in that tree. Really? I said, yeah. And the sun's not even close to coming up. And I said, it looks just like a little headlap, a little light up there. And I watched this thing for 30 minutes. And I don't know if it was a reflex and all seven or what kind of. It's up in a tree like 35, 40 people.

And then all of a sudden, I looked back on where, I've looked away, and looked back, it's still there, and I was going to look back and it's gone. And I never say it again. I thought, that is weird. Wow. Because it was just like a little old light up front of the top of a tree, and I was like, he said, the weirdest stuff goes on down there. I'm like, I know. But that lie, I don't believe in the orb stuff, but that was pretty weird. That was pretty weird.

You would have thought somebody was coon hunting in one of them trees because it just set up a first. for a little bit and I watched it and it may have been a reflection of sunlight coming through something or whatever, but that's pretty weird. That's the only thing I've ever seen as far as a light other than on cameras and stuff. I don't believe in that orb stuff, but that was freaky. You definitely have some weird stuff going on down there, Mark, for sure. I'm again to think so because, like I said, try to get my, some of my buddies have come out, we'll hog hunt and sometimes we hear some things.

Most time we don't. It's just typical. Oh, one. And every now I didn't hear something that's a little different, but most times it can say most of it. But it's like right now is say, so the last time I've seen it was probably, probably in,

let's see, somewhere, probably August was the last time as I seen. I'll see you a picture. I'll have a date on it, so you'll be able to, that'll be my last picture as a date on it and not saying. I say, no more size. I look in the mud all the time. All the time.

I'm looking around my pond, perspeps. I am looking at the creek channels and stuff. I'm always looking for that little something different. Oh, I know what I was going to tell you. So my grandson and I, we were where I've seen this thing at before. I had explained to him where I've seen anything else, but about a month before that, before I seen it, we were walking through there and it was a pig skeleton and a tree about, I don't know,

five foot tall, and it was in the fork of a tree. Oh, really? And my grandson says, yeah, my grandson goes, Papa, look here. I'm like, yeah, why don't you do that for? He said, I didn't do that. I said, yeah, you did.

He said, no, I didn't. I said, whatever. And I just shook it off. I didn't think nothing of it. Didn't think nothing of it. Well, right where I sang that thing walked to the tree, the other side of that little oldman, that tree was in,

that tree is about as big around as a Copenhagen can. What about that size? I don't know if you have you to do that. Smaller. Actually, probably about the size of a red bull can be more accurate. Okay. Anyway, the tree is just bent over, pushed over, and the skull is about 25 feet from where it was in the tree. But I thought that was pretty weird.

Yeah, that's very weird. Because he swears. He said, I did not put that there, Paddle Mark. I said, yeah, you did. He said, no, I did not. And I like, boy, don't be pulling up. on my leg like that. And I, he said, I didn't do it.

He said, it was there. That's why I told you. And I was like, I didn't do it. And it's just a little old, from one of the pigs, we'd shot. And it was shudged in the fork of that limb. And it was jammed in there or whatever. And I just, I never even touched it. I just looked at it, yeah, you're just jerking my chain.

But now that makes sense because it's not 40 feet from where it walked by that tree. everything's happening in that corner everything's happening in that corner I would be really aware when you're gone back there for sure Mark I'm telling you I don't go get in my bow stand without my pistol I've got my pistol on it all the time now

again I don't want to shoot it I just want self-protection absolutely but I don't know what I'm doing with somebody I want to say one more thing I know you're probably ready to get off here somebody said what about homeless people I'm like yeah it's possibility you remember when back in the old days

mountain men, go up in the mountains, and you'd never see them again. Sure. Okay. Indian tribes, and I can't remember which ones, I'm trying to think. It might have been either the Sioux or the Crow. If you dishonored the tribe or were caught doing something with a squaw, and somebody will probably elaborate on this a little bit more, but they would kick you out of the tribe

and tell you to go to the mountains and never be seen again. And so I've often wondered if this could be some past episodes of that because I'm pretty sure it's more than one tribe, but it's either the Sioux, the Crow, I can't remember, but one of them, I don't remember, I can't remember if we're Cherokee or Comanche, but whatever it may be something just in the Native American bill somebody may like I said chime in on that at one point and see but I do know that I've heard that years and years ago that if they did something dishonored the tribe they were kicked out and sometimes they would

give them a squaw and they would send them out and say don't come back you're no more part of this tribe you're done and they go into the mountains or wilderness and never to be seen again. What if they got up there and started a breeding population? It's like the Abernud... I can't even pronounce that, Abernid's Lice or whatever in Australia or whatever, there's travel people that they keep out. In fact, I heard they found one just the other day, another tribe that never even, ever been found. But it is very interesting how in certain parts of the world there are still tribes that don't have contact really with the outside world.

I just don't say we know everything. Again, it goes right back to that circle. We keep making that dead horse. We don't know everything. We're not ever going to know everything. We just got to take each grain and each piece of the puzzle and put it together. And one day it's going to come up there. But, you know, with proven, let's just say Bigfoot in its existence at all,

there's lots of examples of blood and hair. Jeff Meldron's got a man. He told me some stories that were just awesome. And some of the tracks he's casted and stuff like that. And I got to visit with him at one of the Bigfoot conventions or conferences. Oh, sir. And I ended up buying one of the casts from Patty out of California. And I can say now that I own that, compared to the ones that what I found in Oklahoma,

they're not near as big as Patty. He's not even close. They're good. But probably is like 18 inches. It's a big old track. It's 17, 18 inches. The ones are not that big. But real similar.

That's about all I got. I just keep an eye on it. And buddy, I'll tell you if I get it, I'll get a hold of you. I love it. Like I said, when we get through here, I want to send you these pictures. And I want to know, when I send you these pictures, I want you to text me right back and tell me what your thoughts are. You tell me, because I'm always open to the other.

Hey, do you think that's a thing? it's not a buzzard. I'm not going to go for that because it's too shiny. There's no feather. It's not a buzzard. Yep. But he said, it does look like a gorilla or it does it look like a hairy homeless person or whatever. I'll take any thing and at least put it into play.

I'll let you know for sure. All right, man. All right. I enjoy doing this. Everybody got to hear this and know I'm just telling it just like it is. And it is what it is. You can't unsee what you've seen. And maybe there's a reason why I'm supposed to say.

Good Lord knows I don't. There you go. Mark, it's been a pleasure chatting with you, and I hope to be chatting with you again in the future. All right. Enjoy it, gentlemen. Thank you. Here at Bigfoot Society, our goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered

Bigfoot to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at bigfoot society at gmail.com. Then we can start the conversation. I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been 20 years and it's time that you get this off your chest and then you can get some well-deserved for rest because I know you haven't been sleeping.

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