Bigfoot Society - "I Wanted to Scream, But Fear Gripped Me... It Was Right There, Watching Me."

Episode Date: October 22, 2023

In this episode of the Bigfoot Society, the host reconnects with Alex, a previous guest who has shared tales of Bigfoot sightings in Alaska (#242) and mysterious Skinwalker encounters in the U.S. southwest (#246). This time, Alex delves deep into a chilling encounter from his youth. On July 5th, 1978, at his grandparents' house in Hood River, Oregon, Alex had a direct and terrifying sighting of an albino Bigfoot. The creature, with its pink skin and reddish-pink eyes, stood just a few feet away from him, illuminated by a floodlight. The sheer size and appearance of the Bigfoot left a lasting impression on Alex, making it a memory he wishes he could forget.Resources:Alex's previous episodes: Episode #242: Sasquatch of Prince of Wales Island, Alaska - https://www.bigfootsocietypodcast.com/sasquatch-of-prince-of-wales-island-alaska/Episode #246: Skinwalker Tales & Bigfoot Encounters - https://www.bigfootsocietypodcast.com/skinwalker-tales-bigfoot-encounters/WATCH THE IOWA EPISODE IN THE “SASQUATCH: A SEARCH FOR SABE” DOCUMENTARY SERIES BY TATE HIERONYMUS // FIND OUT ALL ABOUT MY FIRST BIGFOOT ENCOUNTERS! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo8O4rvywzETo unlock more bonus content and much more, become a supporting member of Bigfoot Society by joining the Patreon. https://www.patreon.com/thebigfootsocietyBecome a Youtube Channel member here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q/joinSupport Bigfoot Society one time by buying me a coffee here: https://www.buymeacoffee.com/bigfootsociety To pick up a Bigfoot Society shirt, stickers and more, check out our merch by heading on over to https://www.etsy.com/shop/BigfootSocietySend me a voice message to potentially be used for the show by calling 515-809-0165 Here’s a fun prompt - “Hey, my name’s [your name] and you’re listening to the Bigfoot Society podcast!”If you’d like to send me fan mail, Bigfoot related products to check out or written out Bigfoot encounters then you reach me at the following address: Bigfoot Society 125 E 1st St. #233 Earlham, IA 50072Join our private Facebook group "Bigfoot Sasquatch Encounters" for a chance to connect with others who have had similar experiences. Follow the directions to ensure your entry is accepted.https://www.facebook.com/groups/5762233820540793/?ref=share_group_linkTune in to our YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q) for new episodes of Bigfoot Society, and visit our website (www.bigfootsocietypodcast.com) for all the links mentioned above and more.Don't miss out on the Bigfoot action! —— Affiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.—— MY GEAR —— My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYMy Podcast Mic: https://amzn.to/3AlYwb9My Computer: https://amzn.to/40CCjQyMy Headphones: https://amzn.to/40A8gcrMy Webcam: https://amzn.to/3NqfddhThe best Bigfoot book: https://amzn.to/41x8IcNLose the weight along with me on Noom. Get 20% off your subscription with link below. (Consult your doctor first) https://noom.com/r/GdkaWNddL?1251Join Whatnot and pick up some sweet video games and vintage shirts. Use my link below and we both get $10 credit after you place your first order. https://whatnot.com/invite/bigfootsocietyLearn more and up your creative game with Skillshare. Use my link and get a $50 gift card. https://share.skillshare.com/bigfootsocietyIf you want an amazing website like Bigfoot Society has that is extremely easy to set up and connects to your podcast in an incredible way then check out Podpage. https://www.podpage.com/?via=jeremiah (Use this affiliate link and you help out Bigfoot Society)

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Every week I talk to individuals who have experienced Sasquatch in some way another so you won't want to miss an episode make sure you're subscribed on the platform that you're listening to and share this episode with a friend does not cost a thing and it helps the show continue to grow if you'd like to hear bigfoot society episodes early and ad-free you can do so by becoming a patreon supporter or a youtube channel member links to those are in the show notes in bigfoot society i've taken far too much of your time so far so let's get on with the show all right bigfoot society We got the privilege of talking to Alex again. You may remember Alex from previous episodes.

Back a while ago, we talked about the Bigfoot of Prince of Wales Island back in the day in Alaska. And we also talked about some interesting, I believe it was Skinwalker type situations that he had in the southwest of the U.S. But Alex reached out to me again. He's got some interesting. things to share about his younger years. But Alex, how are you doing today, sir? Very good. How are you?

Oh, I'm doing good, man. It's always a good day when I'm able to finish out the day, chatting about some interesting things over the phone for the podcast. And, man, we've had some real doozies lately with a, I'll tell you what, man, the one I just did, YouTube's not letting me upload it. they're kind of, I don't know if it's just a glitch, but like, I don't know if I'll be able to put it on YouTube. We'll see. But anyways, fingers crossed on that one.

But Alex, what have you been up to lately? The same thing I do every night, Jeremiah. Try to take over the world. No, I'm kidding. Sorry. Half of my listeners aren't going to get that. Yeah, Pinky and the brain reference, just in case anybody's wondering. Look it up on Hulu or whatever.

be able to find some old episodes. It's a classic for sure. Good stuff. But, uh, sorry. You're good. Alex, you were saying that, and I think we may have, uh, referenced this a little bit in one of the episodes, but, uh, you said that, uh, you wanted to get deep into a sighting that you had in your younger years. So I'm going to let you, uh, jump right into. to that and let's start let's start chatting about that what happened to you back in those days okay it was July 5th 1978 I remember it pretty well it was just the usual day we'd been up there and we just celebrated the 4th of July the day before and we were kind of hanging around and this is at my grandpa and grandma's house in Hood River, Oregon.

And it was just like any other day or whatever. This was back before I really knew about Bigfoot. I mean, you know, you've heard of it. And I'd heard people reference it. But, you know, as I've stated in previous shows, you know, I'd put that in the realm of unicorns, fairies, elves, trolls, that kind of stuff. You know, mythological doesn't exist. couldn't possibly exist.

And that's kind of where I'd put it. So, you know, and we'd been out berry picking, and we have Blackberry briars, which grew along the road by my grandma and grandpa's house. And we'd go out there and we'd pick them and they were really good. And so we just went back to the house. My grandma made some Blackberry pie and some other Blackberry stuff, jam and whatnot. And it was about 9 o'clock. went to bed. And, uh, this, this is the part that really gets me because like, I wish to God,

I wish to God, I've seen that big foot, man. I really do. And I'm not laughing because it's funny. I'm laughing because even talking about it just makes me like relive it. Uh, and it's like, So it's like about 1.30 in the morning, basically. And I have to go to the bathroom, so I wake up. I do my business. And I'm coming back into my room. And up above, our room had no curtains on the windows so you could see in the out.

And there was nothing blocking the view or anything like that. We had two windows in the back bedroom of the house. and one window was on the right side of the room, the other was on the left. On the left side of the room, right above that, my grandpa had a floodlight with a sensor on it. And if you walked out in front of that at night, it would turn on,

and it had two bright floodlights over it. And so I'm getting ready. I'm walking. I just stepped into the door and walked partway into the room, and that floodlight kicked on. and I was something and I was thinking, wow, that's kind of weird

because it's like 1.30 in the morning. And, you know, it's like we had on the wall, we had a small clock with a little pendulum on it and it showed the time as 1, 130. And so

like when I saw that light kick on, I was like because my grandpa, he had that floodlight out there with sensor because he worked at the sawmill up there. And And he would come out and that floodlight would kick on. And he had his little white Toyota truck, a small Toyota truck, not the big ones or any of that, but it was a real small one. I don't remember exactly what model it was.

I just remember it was white and it was small. I mean, it's big enough for him to fit in, obviously, but, you know, it wasn't a big-sized truck or a full-sized truck. So anyway, he would use that so that when he came out there at like 3.34 in the morning to do to work, that he could get in the car. The floodlight would be on and then he'd put his key in the door and take off. And so I'm sitting there, right next to that truck, there was a big fuel tank, which he had filled regularly and had gas in it. And so he would use that to fill his vehicles and stuff.

And anyway, so the light kicks on. I'm thinking, I don't know, maybe there was something going on at the sawmill. Maybe he had to go into work early. So I start walking toward the window and I look out the window and this is still hard to talk about, man. Because this is a direct sighting. This isn't like where you're looking at something through binoculars or a rifle scope or some type of telescopic lens or something. This is like, you're like five, six feet away from this thing.

And it's like you look out and you're a kid. And you look out the window and you see this gigantic frigging big foot just standing there looking at the light. And it held its hand, not its paw. Didn't have a paw like a bear. It had a hand. a gigantic frigging hand. This hand was like the size of a bodeore. I mean, the hand was massive and muscular.

I can't even describe to you how strong this big foot was and how strong it looked. I've told people before that it looked like it could literally rip the house right off the foundation and not even break a sweat. That's how massive this thing was. And it had its hand over its eyes because the light was blinding it. I don't think it expected that because it acted kind of surprised. And it had like a, I don't know, I don't know, like a weird look on its face.

I can't really explain it like what the hell kind of kind of look. You know what I mean? Like being blinded and putting its hand over its face, you know. It had the hand, the palm facing outward. and the hand was like covering its eyes like it was holding it up to its eyes. And it's like my brain is just gone. I can't even think. I can't even move.

I'm just staring. And it's like, you know, it kind of, I don't know, I guess it got used to the light or something. And then the light kind of, I don't know, it was just weird. it kind of looked over, put its hand over, you know how people put their hands over their eyes when lights are there and they kind of make it like the brow of a hat, you know, like the hats people wear,

you know how you put your hand over your eyes and put it right around your eyebrow level where you can cover your eyes from the light. It looked in there in the window, and I think it saw me standing there and it was kind of squinting and I'll tell you that it was albino. It had weird pink skin.

And you know how albino rabbits have those weird reddish pink eyes? That's what its eyes were like. And that's what its eyes looked like. And that scared the living hell out of me. That was the craziest looking thing I had ever seen in my life. It probably was like four foot at the shoulders. It had like no neck. Its head was set directly on its shoulders it looked like.

And it didn't have like an ape face. You know how apes have like their, where their faces. It kind of protrudes and sticks out a little bit, like on chimpanzees and stuff. It didn't have that. It had a flat face like humans do. And it had a weird nose. Its nose was kind of bulbous. And it was, God, even thinking about those trips me out.

seriously. It's like when I talk about it, man, it's like I'm right there again. It's like I'm looking at it. I can see it in my brain. I can, I can just like, I don't know, it's like it just happened. You know what I mean? I mean, it's like I'm right there looking at it right now in my mind. And it's like my brain just shredded. I mean, I didn't even know what to do, man. I was so friggin scared. I didn't know if it was going to grab me through the window. If it was going to try to get in, I didn't know what it was going to do. I had no idea. And so it walks up to the window, places both hands over its eyes, and stares in at me.

And, you know, when I say over its eyes, I mean like, you know how they salute in the military and they salute like that. But it had its, it's like its thumb over on its cheek and its hand over its eye ridge, both hands, its thumbs on. on its cheeks and its hand over its right above its brow. And it was looking in the window at me. That Bigfoot had weird eyes. It had little eyes. They were small and round and set real close together. And it's just like, it was absolutely terrifying.

Absolutely frigging, terrifying. I mean, I'm just like, what the hell? I don't even know what to do, man. And I'm just like, and it seemed to go on forever, you know what I mean? It just seemed like, like it was hours and it were really just a few seconds. I mean, it was probably only like a minute, if that. And it's looking in the window. And I'm just sitting there, standing there, I should say, just like dumb as can be.

And I finally, I finally. kind of let out a, like that kind of. And it kind of stepped back a little bit, and it got a surprised look on its face. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know, its eyes kind of opened up a little wider and like it stepped back and it was looking at me like,

why the hell did you do that? You know what I mean? Why is he screaming? What the hell? You know, and kind of like a surprise look. and then it just kind of glares at me, and then it turns around and it starts walking away. And as it walked away, it let out this really bizarre screech. I will never forget that for the rest of my life.

I can't imitate it. But I heard it once a sound that was very similar to it. It was recorded in 1975 on the Loomy Reservation in Washington. And it was recorded by a police officer. and I cannot remember what that gentleman's name was, but anyway, he recorded it, and it was just this really weird screech, and it let it out, and it was just like, you know,

I can't even imitate it, but like I could feel it in my body, you know what I mean? Like the sound when it hit me, it felt like I was almost like I physically hit, you know what I mean? not like a punch, but like with vibrations from the sound. And I was like, you know, I was just sitting there and I was just like completely dumbfounded. And, you know, I guess my grandpa heard me and he came running in the room.

But by the time he got in there, it was already out of sight because this sucker was taking like five foot, whatever strides. And it was out of sight in just a few seconds. We'll be back with more Bigfoot Society after these words from our sponsors. All right, quick quiz for the hiring managers out there. What's worse? Being understaffed or being poorly staffed? Well, that's a trick question, because both are recipes for chaos. Either way, just say to yourself, this is a job for indeed sponsored jobs.

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Prices in participation vary. And so by the time he got in there, he was like, what, what the hell? You know, what's going on? I couldn't even talk. You know, I was just sitting there like, you know, kind of thing. And my grandpa was like, he took me out to the front room and he sat me down. And he said, boy, you need to breathe. You need to calm down.

you need to think. He said, what happened? And I couldn't tell him. I don't even know how long it was, man, but I stood there or sat there on the couch looking at him, dumb as a rock. And then I was finally, after whatever time, able to get it out. And I just kind of stumbled at it.

And I said, Grandpa, I said, I saw a big hairy monster sitting outside my window. And I said, scared me real bad grandpa and he looked right at me and he said the craziest thing jeremiah he didn't say the moose were back the elk were back the dogs were back the bears were back he said the damn dapes are back as soon as i told him what i saw he said the damn dapes are back and he wouldn't say anything after that i asked him i was like grandpa what do you mean he just turned real white like pale like he'd just seen a ghost, you know?

And he was like, my grandpa was a very religious man, and if he cursed, it was because there was like a severe provocation or something. That was really, in all the time I knew my grandpa, that was the only time I ever heard him curse when he said the damned apes are back. And it's like, God, talking about it, man, I'm just sitting here sweating and shaking a little bit.

I'm sorry. I apologize, Jeremiah. It's just when you see something up close and personal like that, there's no way you can mistake what it is. Okay, it wasn't a bear, wasn't a moose, wasn't an elk, wasn't a guy in a costume. It was just a large, hairy ape. And I don't know how to describe it any better than that, but I'm sitting there on the couch, man. My grandpa will not explain himself.

Now, I will tell you that a few years later, he had passed away. And my grandma had told me afterward that he worked on Mount Hood. They had a logging contract in Mount Hood National Forest. She did not tell me exactly where, so I don't know. But they had a logging contract up there to thin out the forest and stuff like that. and she said that when he was up there in the logging camp they had these canvas tents these big canvas tents where the guys would sleep and they had some set up where they'd eat and stuff like that she said that the big foot came to his camp and would like break their axes and they had these big like 55 gallon fuel drums and those things weighed like hundreds of pounds you know what i mean this isn't something a normal person can lift in order to lift them, they had to have like heavy machinery come in to lift those things up. One of the big foot or two, I don't know how many, they found one set of tracks, so I'm assuming it's one, according to my grandma.

She said they found one set of tracks. This thing had grabbed that 55-gallon fuel drum, picked it up, carried it about 100 feet and threw it in a ravine. you see that's that's why when I tell you that big foot are like freakishly strong it's like I'm not joking at all if it can throw a 55 gallon fuel drum that is filled with fuel into a ravine that's something that is like beyond powerful that's like almost like I don't even know where to put that but she said that when the one the loggers went out to log she said that when the logger's She said the bigfuts would come in and tear up their camp. And they always knew it was Bigfoot because they found those gigantic freaking tracks out there.

My grandpa actually saw one, I guess, according to my grandma. He would never talk about it to me directly. But she said that he told her about it. And he said that they were chestnut colored. And he said they were gigantic like 10 feet tall. And he said that they could like break trees and uproot trees. stuff like that. And he said they'd throw rocks at them. And eventually the Bigfoot were so aggressive up there on Mount Hood that they scared them all away. And the loggers and lumberjacks

and all that, they just quit. And they just abandoned their camp and left and never went back. They didn't even go back to pick up the stuff that was out there, I guess. So it's like, my grandpa knew what I saw as soon as I was finally able to stammer out what I told him. He knew immediately what it was. You know, like I said, he didn't say the damn bears are back. The damn guys in costumes are back. He said the damned apes are back. And I will never forget that sighting as long as I live, man.

That, that thing haunts me will haunt me till the day I die. The weird thing about it is that it, had that weird pink skin and had a white hair on its body like all white no no color in the hair except white and the hair on its body was like three to four inches and the next day my grandpa and i went outside and this thing left tracks that were an inch and three quarters impressed into the ground my grandpa was six foot and he weighed about 250 pounds and he barely made an impression, but whatever, however much the big foot I saw weighed, it left prints that were an inch and three quarters and pressed into the ground. And it had, like I said, a five-foot

stride, and he measured the footprints using his tape measure. And they were 22 inches long, and they were about seven inches wide. And like I said, the sucker was massive. I'd say it would probably have to be in the seven and a half, eight foot, maybe eight and a half foot range. Because our windows on my grandpa's house in the back end were about six or so feet off the ground. And this thing had to bend down to look in the window. So you're talking about something that's frigging massive. And like I said, the whole incident couldn't have been more than like, I don't know, maybe a minute tops. I'm not even sure, to be honest.

I was so tripped out. I just, I was completely dumbfounded. And so when my grandpa finally got me calm down, like I said, he would not discuss with me what he said about the apes. Damned apes are back. And so, you know, he looked at me and he said, boy, don't ask. And so when my grandpa said stuff like that, my grandpa was a man a few words. he was the strong silent type.

If he said, boy, don't ask. I knew if I kept asking, I'd get a whoopin. Because my grandpa was not afraid to hand out a little justice, if you know what I mean. And so I just dropped it. Like I said, years later, my grandma clued me in. And both my grandfather Lee, who was the grandpa I grew up with, and my grandpa, Pat, my flesh and blue,

blood grandpa. My grandma remarried to my grandpa Lee after my grandpa Pat passed away. My grandpa Pat was also a laugher and he had experiences with them, I guess, in timber Oregon, which is outside of Banks, Oregon, which is not too far from Portland, but it's out in the countryside. And in timber, Oregon, and that place is massively forested. There's like hundreds of miles out there or forests. There were when I was a kid I don't know about now. I haven't been in Oregon since 1996. I have no idea what it looks like now.

But when I was a kid, Kimberd was just all forest. Dick, dense, thick forest and like pine trees and stuff. And they were pretty good sized. And I guess my grandpa had, had experiences with them too, I guess. I guess the big foot would like break their axes. And my grandpa told my grandma that, you know those big saws that they have,

the kind that have like two handles and it takes two people to use it? Yep. And they're metal and they've got like wooden handles and they're probably like six feet long, I think. They had one of those. And my grandma said that the big foot, ripped the saw up

saws apart by grabbing them putting their hands on it and I guess one of the lagers saw them do this it picked up the saw and this is some pretty heavy stuff you know what I mean and it you know how people can

grab paper and rip it down the middle that's what the big foot did that the saw on the metal on the saw it ripped it like paper just ripped it and like they said that the big foot were so strong that they could like twist the axes

and break them just by like holding them in their hands and like then they'd take the metal the axe head and they'd like throw them in like rivers lakes streams whatever they'd throw them in there and it's just like, oh man, it's just, you know, I'm not, sorry, go ahead.

I'm not surprised that they would have that kind of thing happen to them. I mean, there's so many stories of like individuals that might be clearing brush or, in this case, cutting down trees. And I could definitely, you know, that's, that's one of the easy ways to get these creatures. is pretty mad, it seems. So I could definitely see how, you know, you'd have axes broken or saws ripped in half or, you know, any other tools just devastating.

Thankfully, you know, the Bigfoot weren't coming after the guys themselves in this situation, although I'm sure that probably happened in other situations, but they were pretty lucky to get away with just their axes being twisted for sure. my grandma did say that there was a guy who shot at one a bigfoot on that mountain in mount hood that was on their camp he shot at one that guy ended up disappearing they never heard from him again nobody knew what happened to him i don't know the man's name i don't know where he was from um all i know is my grandma said he was a new person on the crew and nobody really knew him very well and i guess he had saw a big foot and shot at it and the next day he disappeared and you know again nobody knows what happened to him i i don't have any i can only tell you what my grandma said i can't tell you who the man was where he was from or anything about him all i can tell you is what she said so i will just say to your listeners

don't shoot at bigfoot don't do it yeah not not a good idea you you and even if it's a very unhealthy the idea. Even if you were to get one, you know that their brothers are right around the corner. So you're not just dealing with one as how I look at it. You've got multiples, so you better be ready.

Natives I've talked to who live out in Oregon like the Shahelis, you know, the Yakima tribe and some other stuff. Some of the people I talk to you, they said that those suckers live in families and that they look out for each other and they whistle and call each other in when stuff

like that happens and then you get like mass attacked and I think we can all learn and learn from the Fred Beck experience from Ape Canyon in 1924 oh absolutely you shouldn't shoot a big foot yeah it's like I know we're getting off topic. I'm sorry. It's just when I talk about that sighting I had, it really, really kind of shakes me up and I kind of get upset.

Not a you or at your listeners, just the situation. It kind of is like PTSD for me. I tried talking to a therapist about it one time because somebody said I should. That therapist looked at me like I was a psycho,

you know, like wanted to put me in a rubber room or something. I was like what? You know, it's like whatever. So I didn't talk about this stuff for years. And, you know, people would make funny. It's like people say, oh, you're just doing that to get attention. Yeah, sure.

Okay. I like getting ridiculed and bullied and beat up and harassed. You know, yeah, I love that. It's a lot of fun. Everybody should try it. Yeah. Stupid Bigfoot. Right.

And unfortunately that, Back in the day, I mean, it used to not be like how it is right now, but years ago, I mean, people would be ridiculed. People still laughing when you talk about that stuff. True. Fair enough. But how old were you again when you had this sighting? Seven. That's right.

Seven. I think I remember that from before, but I just want to make sure it was called out in this one. Do you mind sharing for context that so the Hood River is a. pretty long river. Do you, was it near like maybe a certain town that this took place or for area context or I don't know if you can share that? Yeah, sure. Hood River is near like Odell, the Dals.

It's about two, two and a half hours. I think it's either east or west of Portland. I can't remember. I apologize, but Portland is probably the nearest big city to where it is. The river, when I was a kid, was a small town, and it was, you know, not too far from Mount Hood. You could probably get to Mount Hood probably about an hour from where we lived in Hood River. Okay. If that helps.

I was a bit confused, but I looked at a map, and I, became unconfused. I was thinking of the Columbia River. Hood River is the name of the town. Yeah, the Columbia River. Yeah, Hood River is the name of the town. The Columbia River is right near Hood River. Hood River, actually, the city of Hood River,

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Mabelene, New York. Wow. And back then, you're saying it was a pretty unpopulated area? Well, my grandpa owned about, oh, gosh, it was about 100 acres. Oh, wow. At one time, he sold a lot of it off. But, yeah, we had a lot of forest on our land. Now, I will tell you, I never saw that big foot again. I can tell you the Hood River I found out years later has a long history of Bigfoot.

The Hood River Gazette has reported on Bigfoot sightings for years before I was born. And plus, if you talk to Native Americans who live in that area, they'll tell you straight up that they've been seeing Bigfoot for centuries before even Europeans came or settlers or any of that. and they said that the bigfoot out there would like if the natives were out fishing or they would do like these nets kind of like dip nets in Alaska kind of thing but they do those nets and the big foot would come out and grab the nets throw all over their shoulders and walk back in the woods and you know it's just this bigfoot are so crazy I mean they're just they're goofy I mean you can't really predict or expect them to do certain things. They're, I don't know, they're just weird. They are their own people and I don't know, whatever. In any of those reports, did you ever see anyone else seeing a white one in that area like you had seen?

Or do you think that was a pretty rare occurrence? If it helps, I talked to Peter Byrne and he said that he'd never. heard of an albino bigfoot that I like what I described. And I actually met him through Ray Crow of the Western Bigfoot Society at the time it was called the Western Bigfoot Society. I met him. I met Renee DeHendon, John Green, and a bunch of the other old bigfooters, old timers. And Peter Byrne actually told me that he believed my story simply because of the description

I gave him. He said that when I told him that the eyes were real small and set close together, he told me, he said, you don't sound like a well-educated person. He said, I'm not trying to be rude. You know, he had a British accent. He's like, I'm not trying to be rude, but, you know, kind of thing. He said, you don't sound like a well-educated person who would know that kind of a detail, but he said, as an educated person myself, he said, I can tell you that one of the traits of

albinos is to have round small eyes that are set close together. And he said, that's an inbreeding trait. And this is what he said. I don't know if it's true. I'm just telling you what the man said. I'm not a doctor. I'm not a primatologist. I don't really know anything about that kind of stuff outside of the world of Bigfoot. But that's what Peter Byrne told me. And he said he would label my siting as a class A simply for that detail. And, you know, plus, I don't know, man. How long ago was it that you were able to meet all those gentlemen? Peter Byrne?

This was in the year. This was like late 80s, early 90s kind of thing. Okay. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I was thinking it would have been the around the early 90s by interviews I've had in the past. Did you ever meet a gentleman named Henry Franzoni?

I did not know. Okay. Yeah. He would have been. Not that I know of. He would have been mid to late 90s. He started hanging out with Peter Byrne. I just talked to him a few days ago.

So do you actually talk to Renee DeHinden? face to face or is it like over the phone thing? Yes. Yeah. No, no, no. I talked to him face to face. He was at a Bigfoot days, D-A-Z-E in Washington State that I attended in the early 90s. I think it was like 91, 92 maybe.

I don't remember. It was sometime around then. And Ray Crowe of the Western Bigfoot Society was a part of that. He had helped set it up. And Renee DeHendon was there. And I got to ask him like a whole. bunch of questions and that was a salty old boy I'll tell you what he was no frigging nonsense at all he had no use for people who were telling stories or whatever he was very blunt and very direct and

I will tell people don't meet your heroes because sometimes they're a lot different in real life how you think they'd be I liked him but I mean he was just you know if he thought somebody was BS him and he had a really strong like French Canadian accent he'd start dogging him you know and he'd start like cursing them in French and stuff oh absolutely absolutely it's like Renee Renee you know his friends who knew what he was saying was like hey Renee calm down it's not that deep you know take it easy take it easy take a breath and it's like these fucking people they don't know what the hell they're talking about yeah he was so funny oh One guy was telling stories and he was talking about Bigfoot was like a interdimensional psychic UFO not.

And Renee looked at him and he goes, this guy is full of shit. He is stupid. He doesn't know anything at all. And then he starts talking in French about him. And I'm like, I don't know what he said. I don't speak French, but I know it didn't sound very nice. I know people who knew what he was saying were turning bright reds. Yeah, he was like this.

He had no use for people saying big foot's a psychic interdimensional UFO not. He was like, it's a fucking ape in it right. He just had this really weird way of talking. But he was so funny. He was just absolutely hilarious. And listeners will think that might be like an exaggeration, but it's not. If you go to the Sasquatch Archive's YouTube channel, you can watch video of Renee talking exactly like that.

Oh, yeah, dude. Have you, you've never been there? Oh, my goodness, you're going to love it. So it's like all these people have sent in their old VHS tapes of these old conferences from the 90s and stuff to this guy in California. Sorry, this guy in Canada named Todd Prescott. And he's put them all on this YouTube channel called Sasquatch Archives. And it's going to change your life. You'll love it.

So, yeah. it out later. I'll have to look that up. I really did not even know about that. That conference that you went to might actually even be on there. There's some really, really old stuff. I would love that. You can see Renee DeHenandin going up against Dr. Meldrum when they were,

when Dr. Meldrum was a lot younger, of course, mustache only. But just it's a wild trip. So definitely check that out. I'll try to remember to put that in the show notes as well. well. But did you go to any other Bigfoot conferences or anything? Or was that the main one that you went to? That's really.

Ray Crowe had a lot of stuff at his Western Bigfoot Society. We used to meet there every once in a while. And he had different people come out there. I wasn't always able to attend because at the time I was working a lot. But when I could attend, he had John Green out there one time. And John Green, let me tell you, that guy knows Bigfoot in and out. Sure. Yeah, he was really like an encyclopedia.

I think him passing away was a huge loss to the Bigfoot community because he took really detailed notes on people. And I was actually able to talk to him about Albert Ostman because I asked him straight up. I said, do you think that guy was full of crap? And he goes, no. He said, I've known Albert for years. And he had a very quiet way of talking.

You know what I mean? And he was like, no. He says, I've known him for years. I'd known him for years back then. And he said his story never changed even until the day he died. He said he never recanted the story and he always told it the same. He said it never buried or changed in any way. If he didn't know something, if somebody asked him a question, he'd tell him he didn't know it.

He said he was just real straightforward. And I don't know. I always admired the older big footers, you know, like Renee, John Green, you know, and some of the others out there. That's incredible. So you actually would go to the meetings and attend those when you could. Yes. Wow. That's awesome.

Do you remember any of the other people that would, that you remember from? being in attendance as well? I heard that James Bobo Faye went there once. I did not I was not able to be there when he did but I guess he knew Ray Crow and he knew I guess according to Ray it was a really

great meeting. He put it in his he had this newsletter he put out called the track record and I guess Bobo was featured in there or something or he talked about him and what he said. And I guess it was like really,

he said it was not only entertaining. He said the guy just was like a Bigfoot sponge. You know what I mean? That's how Ray described him. He said he knew about Bigfoot in and out. And, you know, he knew Native American stuff. He knew stuff that scientists said. And he said that Bobo was really smart.

He said a lot of people hear him talk and they think, oh, he's just this big dumb guy. He said, no, he's. He's actually highly educated and he's really intelligent. Bobo's extremely smart, yeah. Yeah, and he said that he was just like an encyclopedia. And I don't know, I really wish I could have met Bobo. He's kind of a hero to me too.

Him and Cliff Merrickman, I've never had the chance to meet either one of them I would like to. Could still happen? have they did have a meeting that Ray went to that was in another place. I do not remember where it was where they had Bob Gimlin and I had wanted to go so bad that I had to work and I could not get time off from work at the time because we were short-handed. I really would love to meet Bob Gimlin just to just because he's like a superstar, you know what I mean, in the big full world. and he was a hero to me growing up because he's never recanted his story not once and when he tells the story he tells it the same way you know and Bob seems to me to be the type of guy when I've seen him on interviews on TV just seems to be real open and real honest and I would love to meet him I really would just to just to thank him for what he did and and stuff like that I've never heard anyone say that he is not a genuine person. I mean, you're absolutely right.

He keeps to his story and it just, it doesn't deviate. You know, he's just one of the coolest guys. I've not met him yet and maybe never will. He just, I believe he just had his, I want to say his 90-something birthday. It's incredible. He's one of the last, last individuals. but wow that's a i did not know you had those connections that's that's very cool Alex the last one of the last times we had talked you know we talked about Alaska and um that's a

fantastic episode listeners if you haven't heard the prince of wales island episode uh i'll have it linked you need to check that out but you'd mentioned there might be a follow-up trip at one point has that happened or or anything of that? My wife was able to go there. I unfortunately was not. Okay. I'm on oxygen. Sure.

Unfortunately. I don't have like a small oxygen concentrator. And so you can't fly with the oxygen, the metal oxygen tanks I have. Gotcha. It doesn't allow that. Yeah. Gotcha. I am in the process of trying to get a small.

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And I'm just, I'm just going to throw some out just to see, I'm throwing them out to everyone to see if it sticks. Because there's some interesting side storylines. One of, one of them is, did you ever have any interactions or hear anything about Bigfoot or Sasquatch in the Reneer, Oregon area? area. I actually lived in St. Helens, which is not far from where near. Okay. Yeah. I lived in St. Helens for about four or five years when I was a boy.

And yeah, I heard stories about it. A lot of times back in the 80s when I lived there, that stuff wasn't. really talked about because if you tried to talk about it, people would like bully you and harass you. I did make the mistake

one time of sharing that I had seen Bigfoot and I got bullied and harassed so bad that I started getting migraines and headaches and getting ulcers and getting like physically sick.

Oh dear. So yeah, and St. Helens and Rainier probably wasn't a really good idea back then to be talking about Bigfoot because the people out there were real no nonsense people and they didn't want to hear about stuff

like that. If there isn't in the Bible, it doesn't exist. Hang it. There is no mention of Bigfoot anywhere in the Bible, therefore it can't be real. Oh, the comments are going to be ripping today. This is great. The YouTube comments are going to be rock and I love it.

Well, I'll tell you what, they can get mad or whatever. I'm telling you what the people told me. I know. I'm not saying you know that I don't believe the Bible or any of that. I'm telling you what they told me. Absolutely. You know,

if people want to get hurt about it, they can get hurt. Oh, yeah. That's those people saying that. That isn't something I'm telling them. That's what was told to me when I was getting my ass whipped by these punk kids who were bullying me. That's terrible.

So, you know, I, uh, you know, people can get as hot as they want about that because I know when you talk about the Bible, if you say anything that isn't just glowing and positive,

these people freak out. But, you know, it's like, look, it is what it is. There's jerks in Christianity. If you can't deal with that, shut up, get out, move on. Because, you know, if you can't realize there's jerks in every religion and non-religion, jerks are a way of life. It is what it is. You can either accept it, get over it, and move on, or you can cry about it and get angry.

It's your choice. Absolutely. I choose not to be angry. It's all how you react to it for sure. next one is kind of a curve curve ball but I know that we've talked about some other topics as well there's another episode where we talked about uh you skinwalker interaction and and seeing a weird individual on the side of the road once I was down the southwest I believe but um at any point have you heard of um people's

what looks to be like a hyena. Like a hyena? Like a hyena? Yeah. Like from Africa. Yeah. I can't say I've ever heard that. All right.

I've heard stories of the Chupacabra that they kind of describe it as being like a coy wolf or a dog or something. But I've never heard of anybody saying they saw a hyena. Keep your ears out. It's a weird thing. that is starting to more people are starting to come forward with stuff just because it's

being talked about specifically on a podcast called Cryptids of the Corn they did a really interesting episode about North America. Crudits of the Corn? Yeah it's a great dude it's a great podcast it's like if you I believe you that's just a weird name they talk about cryptids but they also

are biology guys so they know a lot about the animal kingdom so it's a great combination nation in their episode about hyena is being seen and that's probably when people see Dogman, they're actually seeing potentially a North American hyena. It's it'll mess with your head for sure. Yeah, that is that is unusual. But I've heard weird stories about other stuff so I can't discount that.

Exactly. And you absolutely have over the years. And people that might remember the episode in Alaska, you were involved with the Salvation Army. I believe you were a minister with them, correct? That is correct, yes. Yeah. In your years of being involved with them, was there ever a time where you experienced something so weird that it almost made you walk away? or it just really knocked you back a bit.

That's unusual. What do you mean by weird? Well, you know, if you're really into, you know, let's say you're involved in the ministry, and you're really doing the work of the Lord, you're going to come up against some opposition, right? and you might encounter some some weird out of the ordinary things. Was there ever a time where like you really came up against some stuff that were like,

you're like, I don't know what's going on here. And I'm not really sure how to deal with this. One, yes. Okay. This is a real crazy story. And people can write it off disbelieve it. I really don't care. All right.

when I was saying Kloak, a lady called my wife and I over to the house and invited us to dinner and we're over there eating. And then, after we get done, she says to me, she was like, well, pastor, she was like, she says, I don't want you to think I'm crazy. And I'm like, okay. And she was like, but,

there's like a weird ghost upstairs in my room and it bothers me at night. And she was like, I was like, okay. I'm a pastor and I know the Bible. I understand all that. And I understand there's spirits and whatnot. I had no idea what to do. I had a clue. Not a ghostbuster, not a demon person, not any of fact.

I'm a new pastor, and it's like she wants me to go upstairs and make the ghost go away, so I can't go upstairs. And I just prayed and asked God to put it out. And, you know, I have to tell you that that whole room was like ice cold. It was hot outside, and that room was ice cold, and it was dark. and it was just really weird up there. The rest of her house was fine. I had no problem. It was only when I went upstairs to her bedroom

and the upstairs loft area that there was a problem. And so my wife got out of her Bible and she read Psalm 91, which is the Psalm, they call it the Psalm of Spiritual Warfare. And as soon as, she started reading that.

The ice cold, all of that, it like went away. And the lady told us later that she was able to sleep peacefully in the room after that. Now, can I tell you that was a spirit?

I don't know. I don't know. I can tell you it was weird. It was weird as a little. But it was just to this day, ever since I did that, I'm the demon guy. Whenever somebody has ghost trouble and clock,

they call me up and ask me what they should do. So I actually had to study about that stuff so I could tell them. And it's like, I don't know, you know, that's really weird. And I'm sorry, you probably weren't even asking about that. No, that's probably asking about something like Bigfoot or whatever. but I've heard so many crazy stories and seen weird stuff in Kowak in the surrounding area that there's been reports up there of UFOs, actual UFOs. They had a, I guess, a plane that was traveling. It was a small aircraft, like a, what do they call those?

The ones that have the float-flotation devices on. Oh, sure, yeah, yeah. flow planes. Yeah. I guess they were flying to catch a can from Kowak, and they got like shot, a UFO shot by. It was a large silver object.

And it passed them like they were standing still. And they said it had no visible means of propulsion. They said it had no sound, nothing. And they said it was just the craziest looking thing. And they said it was about the size of a football field. Oh, wow. So it was really good. sized.

And so they only saw it for a second and it passed by. And it was just, it was out of sight in like a second. And they said it was flying real crazy. They said it would like shoot up at like a 90 degree angle from going straight. And like took off up into the air and flew off and they never saw it again. But yeah, there's, there's been a lot of weird stuff around Alaska that people have talked about this.

It's just bizarre. Now, I've never seen a UFO, so I can't say anything about that. But I do know people who have seen them, and they're real serious about it, and I believe them. But I don't know if that's what you're asking about. I'm sorry. No, that's exactly. When you were up there, did you ever run into any situations where people would say they heard, like, baby cries in the woods? God, yes.

Yeah. The kushita kha do that crap, according to the clinkets. And the Haida has said that their version of the kushita does the same thing. It makes baby cries. And what it's trying to do is lure you into the woods. And when I say kushikah, I mean the shape-shifting evil spirit. I don't mean Bigfoot. Right.

Some people think that big foot is kushikah, but from what I've studied since I left Kloch, the majority of clinket people that I've talked to believe that it it's an evil spirit, a shapeshifter, not a Bigfoot. And so they said that they do that. And then I've heard reports from the lower 48 of Bigfoot doing that and making that kind of sound and like trying to lure people into the forest and if the people go and follow that, they disappear and nobody ever hears from them again. No, I have heard that, yes.

I've not personally heard the crying or anything like that. Thank goodness, because that would scare the hell out of me. But I've heard people say, people I know real well, people who aren't liars, say that they've heard that. I'm not sure how I would react to that either. I've thankfully never heard that. I've never really heard that come up in Iowa ever, but it's a possibility I could hear someday. but something that's come up. I've talked to a few individuals from Alaska since we last talked.

When you were up there or, you know, talking to people up there, did stories of giants ever come up at all? Yeah, six-toed giants, yes. Is that something you can elaborate on? Yes, absolutely. All right. You pick people. We're seeing them for years.

They said that the giants hunted mammoths. way up to the 20s. They said these gigantic six-toed things, and they were gigantic, but they're not exactly like Bigfoot, from what I've heard. They're just, they're like, and when I say giant, I don't mean like 10 or 12 feet.

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Was that in the southeast or what section of Alaska? That was around like Barrow, Uniclet and some other places up there. Man, that is wild. Do you think there's still mammoth up there? I can't say there are, but I can tell you that my grandmother, who was Eupac, said that her mom, claimed to have eaten mammoth and also had like ivory from tusks that were too large to be like walrus or something like that. Wow. And for reference, for, you know, I wasn't familiar myself.

I had to look it up, but Barrow, Alaska is, if you imagine the very, very top of Alaska, that's where you're at. So imagine the farthest north you can get. And that's where you were having some mammoth sightings. That's crazy. They say they're still around. But I haven't heard anything in the last like 20. or 30 years, anything that was recent of anyone seeing a mammoth.

But some people think that they're still around. They think those six-toed giants, some of them that I've talked to, they think they're the ones that hunted the mammoths to extinction. Wow. That's wild. That's just what they said. I can't say it's true. I can only tell you what people have told me.

Now, whether it's true or not, I, Ray Crowe of the Western Bigfoot Society always used to say, when you hear reports, always keep your skepticles on. He called his glasses as skepticals. And so I encourage readers, if you hear stories, be skeptical about it. Check, verify, stuff like that as much as you humanly can. Or if you're just the type of person who finds it entertaining, you don't really care one way or the other.

Just listen to it, enjoy it. move on. Simple. Are there any, I'm sure, it sounds like you've always been into Bigfoot, I'm sure you're still

looking into Bigfoot right now. Is there anything going on right now regarding Bigfoot research that really has, that has you interested or is keeping you up at night in any way? In Montana, yeah.

out around Glacier National Park area. Okay. There's been some real crazy stories coming out of there. Really? Yeah. Like people disappearing, people seeing Bigfoot, people seeing something else,

not a Bigfoot, something weird. Maybe like a baboon or something almost, but it has, it almost looks like a baboon, I guess. Like, like a,

I think it's called a Gugway maybe sometimes. I don't know if you've ever heard about that. That's really interesting. So are these from podcasts or where are you seeing these reports come? I've actually heard them from native people who live here in Montana. Really? Oh, wow. Now, I will tell you, they're not people who are going to come forward with that kind of stuff

because they don't want to lose their jobs. But they, yeah, I've heard stories from like, My wife works for, actually I probably better not say that. Let's just say she works with the native community in a medical capacity and leave it. Yep. I don't want to get her in trouble. Yeah, we don't want that to happen. Yeah.

Yeah. I do know that I have personally outside of her employment met people who are grow or Cheyenne because I was listening to a Bigfoot show one time and I was up there on the as I was listening to a Bigfoot show and I happened to have my windows down because it was harder than Hades out there. And so I had my windows down and I was listening to Monster Quest on my phone,

an old episode of Monster Quest. And one of the fellows heard me listen to that and he comes up, he goes, oh, you believe in Bigfoot? I was like, yeah, I believe in Bigfoot. I don't believe in it. I know it's real. And he goes, how do you know? And I told him why I know because of my sighting when I was a boy. And he looked at me and he goes, you know, there's a lot of people out here on the reservation who've seen those things even now.

And he was telling me all kinds of stories about it. And it's just so weird. They've had stories of like children getting snatched or women. They've had stories of, you know, people who were out hunting, disappearing and never being heard from again and stuff like that. Do you remember anything, any details at all about what you heard regarding something that looked like a baboon in Glacier National Park? That was around Glacier National Park.

They said it was large. They said it had a tail. They said it had a snout like a babo. and they said it had a weird ears and they didn't really describe it. They just said it was weird. And they said it was real powerfully built, but they said that the face of it looked like a baboon, not like a dog man or other things.

They said it looked more like a baboon. And the person I spoke to actually was like wondering if it was like some kind of weird experiment from some government facility and I was like I have no idea I've never heard anything like that and I've heard of the dog man and stuff like that but they said this didn't look like because I was like what was it like a wolf like a dog or something and they were like no it looked like a baboon it had a face like a baboon but it was much larger than a baboon like you know six feet six and a half feet tall and they said it was more powerfully built but a baboon but they said the face looked just like like if you see a picture of a baboon that's what the face and the snout looked like on it and it had a tail like a baboon wow so i don't think i don't think it was a dog man man a regular size baboon is a bad day but you get a baboon that's stronger and bigger that's going to be a really bad day and i mean if any listeners have heard of a large huge giant baboon type crypted in the Glacier National Park area of Montana.

Put it in the comments or if you need to, you can send me an email at Bigfoot Society at gmail.com. But did you, Alex, over the years, you've had a lot of contact with different types of people. Did you ever have any reports of dogman sightings at all? Yes. Yep. I had a friend who was from Michigan and he was from that area up north of Detroit.

I cannot remember what the name of that crazy town was. He was from. I apologize. He told me once and I just, I cannot right now remember what the name of the town was, but they had like a dog man that was running around there killing animals like dogs and cats. And they said it was definitely a canid type thing. but it had hands not like paws.

And they said it had like, it had like, let's see, how do I put this? Look, I'll just tell you what they said. You can take it however you want. Sure. You know how canines have the kind of bent legs? You know what I mean?

Yeah. Kind of weird back legs. They said it had legs like that, but it had like on the bottom of it instead of having like paws it had like feet but it had like a wolf tail wolf ears and a wolf face and the snout that wolves have but they said it looked like something that was like part human or something and again I can only tell you what they said I can't tell you what's reality from fiction I do believe the person because when they talked about it they

again, I said this before on previous programs. When people have really seen something, you can see in their eyes the trauma of what they experienced. And that person, when he told me that story, he very much, he turned white, he was shaking. This is a really strong, tough guy. You know what I mean? He's not a crybaby or a fusser or whatever.

He was really the strong silent type. and this dude broke down and started crying when you reported what he saw. So for him to do that is very out of character for him. And so, you know, he said, don't hate me or think I'm, he said, don't think I'm, well, E USSY. I apologize. That's just what the man said. I'm not trying to be bad or disgusting.

I get it. I apologize by anybody. But that's what he said. He said, I don't want you thinking on that. I said, I've been knowing you for a while, dude. I know you're not like that. So I said, I believe you. And he's like, you do?

He was like, when I told my effing family, they got all hurt. He said I was a liar and making it up. And I was like, people say stuff like that because they don't want to try to think about or deal with in their mind what you're discussing with them because it's so outside of the realm of what they understand. And so, you know, they react hatefully or negatively or foolishly because their brains can't wrap around the concept that there's things outside of what they know that exist. I mean, if I had a dollar for every time somebody asked me if I saw a frigging bear

or if it was a dude in a fur suit, if I had a dollar for every time some dumb, I'm sorry, I want to really curse when I hear people say stuff like that. It's like, look, the Bigfoot had a flat face. It didn't have the snout of a bear. Didn't have the weird fur ears on top of the head. Okay. And it didn't look like that. It had hands and feet, not paws.

So, you know, when people tell me it was a bear, it's like, I've seen every type of bear in North America you can show me, either on TV or in the zoo or I've gone hunting and hunted them. So I know what a bear looks like. I'm not a person who's never seen a bear. I wasn't 50 or 100 feet away from it. Saw something run by it. Oh, that's big foot.

I saw this thing from three and a half feet away. I saw exactly clearly what it was. When I told my grandpa what it was, he didn't say, oh, the damn bears are back. The damn guys and fur suits are back. He said the damned apes are back. Yeah. So, you know, people can make it out whatever they want.

I really don't care. You know, if you want to be stupid and say I saw a bear, then you're a moron because you don't know bears have snouts, ears on top of the head, and paws, not feet and hands. So, you know, if you can't tell the difference between that and a big foot at three and a half feet, then you're a moron and you don't really need to be commenting. and I really doubt there's a massive eight-foot guy in a suit running around in

1978. Yeah. You can miss me with that, idiots. Probably not, yeah. Alex, this has been a fun episode because there's so many tangents we've been on that it will probably, in a good way that listeners will definitely get something new to look into from this episode.

It's been a fun one. It is always a fun time to chat with you, sir. And I appreciate you coming on again. Anything else weird comes up. Feel free to reach out. But thank you so much for hanging out tonight, Alex. All right. Well, God bless and you take care of, my friend.

You too, sir. All right. Bye. Bye. Bye. Here at Bigfoot Society, our goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story.

If you've experienced something that you just can't explain, please send me an email at bigfoot society at gmail.com. Then we can start the conversation. I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been 20 years, and it's time that you get this off your chest, and then you can get some well-deserved. for rest because I know you haven't been sleeping.

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