Bigfoot Society - "I'll Stay, Even If I'm Torn Apart" - The Full Interview

Episode Date: July 14, 2023

Note: This is the full version of this previously released interview including the 40 minutes that was previously only available in the Patroen. Join us on this captivating episode of the Bigfoot Society Podcast as we delve deep into the mysterious world of Bigfoot encounters in Oregon. Our special guest, Ronald “Ronnie” Roseman, shares his fascinating experiences and encounters with these elusive creatures in a remote small town Oregon. From hair-raising vocalizations to intricate interactions, Ronnie's firsthand accounts will leave you questioning what truly exists in the hidden corners of our wilderness. Resources: Stranger Than Science by Frank Edwards - https://amzn.to/3KVSLWm (Amazon Affiliate link)PRELIMINARY REPORT OF THE 1999 SIX RIVERS NATIONAL FOREST EXPEDITION by J. Richard Greenwell http://sbwm.erols.com/bdwilner/.../cryptozoo/sixrivers.htmlDo you have a personal Bigfoot encounter you would like to submit for me to share on the podcast? Please head over to www.bigfootsocietypodcast.com and fill out the "Share your Bigfoot Encounter" form. Use as much detail as you can and please specify if you would prefer to remain anonymous or what specific name you would like used with your encounter if it is chosen to be shared.Join our private Facebook group "Bigfoot Sasquatch Encounters" for a chance to connect with others who have had similar experiences. Follow the directions to ensure your entry is accepted.https://www.facebook.com/groups/5762233820540793/?ref=share_group_linkTune in to our YouTube channel (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8Qq45W6iaTU8FE9kelxT7Q) for new episodes of Bigfoot Society, and visit our website (www.bigfootsocietypodcast.com) for all the links mentioned above and more. Don't miss out on the Bigfoot action!——Affiliate links mean I earn a commission from qualifying purchases. This helps support my channel at no additional cost to you.—— MY GEAR ——My Audio Interface: https://amzn.to/3L1q8XYMy Podcast Mic: https://amzn.to/3AlYwb9My Computer: https://amzn.to/40CCjQy My Headphones: https://amzn.to/40A8gcrMy Webcam: https://amzn.to/3NqfddhThe best Bigfoot book: https://amzn.to/41x8IcNLose the weight along with me on Noom. Get 20% off your subscription with link below.(Consult your doctor first) https://noom.com/r/GdkaWNddL?1251Join Whatnot and pick up some sweet video games and vintage shirts. Use my link below and we both get $10 credit after you place your first order. https://whatnot.com/invite/bigfootsociety

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And they weren't coming out in the open. They were right there and screaming and hollering. And Delaine S's dollars. said, do you want to leave? Because she was pacing back and forth. She said, yeah. And they got in the car and laughed. He asked me.

He said, you come in there. I don't know why. But I said, no, I'm going to stick around a little bit. They laughed him. That was a lonely feeling watching her black jeep going on out at the dirt road. And then I'm hearing. These things are screaming and hollering. And it's me.

I guess they want. They want you. They're going to get you. Walk to the front of the car and leaned up against the hood. Now, these things are in backing me now. I got my back at them. And they're just still screaming and hollering and really carrying on. One out.

But I thought that this is it. I'm staying. I don't care if they tear me apart. In this episode of Bigfoot Society, I'm re-releasing a special interview with Mr. Ronald, Ronnie Roseman. This time, raw uncut in its entirety, and also including the 40-minute Patreon portion for the first time. to the public. This interview starts with a fascinating look at the 1999 Six Rivers National Force Expedition led by Richard Greenwill and Mr. Roseman's involvement with the expedition. Ronnie then shares some of the most amazing Bigfoot encounters I've ever heard on the podcast,

and I'm sure you will enjoy the episode. As always, thank you for listening to the Bigfoot Society podcast. Please take a minute to subscribe, like, and share the show with a friend. All right, Bigfoot Society. We got the privilege of talking to Mr. Ronnie Roseman tonight. He's from the Pacific Northwest. He's got years of Bigfoot experience. And how are you doing tonight, Ronnie?

I'm doing fine, yeah. A long time since you've already. Yeah, it's like the new version of radio in a way. It's a lot of fun. Let's start at the beginning, Ronnie. So tell me what was it that first got you into Bigfooting years ago? I don't know. I've always been weird.

As a kid, I just was always attracted to mysteries and explained things and phenomenous and stuff. At a very early age, I think it was fourth, fifth grade. I got a book called Stranger Than Fiction by Frank Edwards, I believe it was. I read that and had something in there about the Obama Snowman. I got interested in that. I think it was eight. And then I was telling an aunt I had. I lived in Southern California at the time.

I had an aunt that lived in Eureka, which was 800 miles away, California. And she knew about me being interested in Vano Snowman. So it was during the time that the road construction in Northern California at Bluff Creek area was going by Ray Wallace there

and she saved all the clippings for me on the Bigfoot because that's when the Bigfoot that's where the name of Bigfoot originated at the Bluff Creek area in 1958 I think it was or 59

okay yeah so Jerry Cooney was seeing the tracks around his bulldozer it went to the newspaper and Humboldt or whatever it was there, Eureka, but I, and then the picture was on. Anyway, she saved all the newspaper clippings for me, and I didn't know it. So when she came down for Christmas, she, I got that as a Christmas present. So I got interested in Bigfoot at that time.

I think I was nine years old. So that was my beginning. You were around 9 to 10 in the late 50s, wait, what I'm hearing there. Yes. Okay. Wow. So you were at an interesting age when the Patterson Gimlin film was released. Do you remember that?

Oh, yeah, definitely, 57. I think I was about 17 years old. See, how old was I at that time? 60. That was 67, right? It was 67. Yeah, you would have been 16 or 17 years old, yep. Yeah, that's when I got, I really got, I really got motivated.

I guess a lot of people did that you could look at it even at that age and I didn't know anything and I still don't know anything about these things but at that looking at that movement and stuff and just the way it moved you could tell it

it looked like something that was there even though your family's looking at you weird but yeah that's when I really got motivated but that's when I ordered a tranquilizer gun and I paid 500 bucks for it. in the mail.

They had these big dreams about shoot one of these things in the rear end after seeing that picture. One of it someday I'm going to get out there and thought about doing something like that. And of course I had a problem with tranquilizer,

a drug or something, what would you use? Would you want something for apes? And I never did think that these things were apes myself, even though a lot of friends have about that. John Green, Dr. Cairns, and great people, but I just didn't see that with the human-like footprints and stuff,

which is most obvious, the first thing. So I decided to go with something with CERNolin, and then I went around to pharmacists and stuff. I didn't know where to go and tried to get something like that, and I was asking around to get it, and most of the pharmacists, they said, no, we can't get you that, we can't do that, or we can't get that or whatever.

as one's parmesan said yeah he said that's for tranquilizing people or whatever that. He said yeah maybe I can help you out and give me your information but I didn't do that I get scared or left and I realized that my gosh I probably

I didn't want to tell him I wanted to oh I think I did tell him I think I told what you wanted for him said something about I wanted to tranquilize Bigfoot and I think that give me a weird look I left I dropped that project, that idea, which I found out later wouldn't work anyway. But anyway, so trial and error from the beginning.

That is amazing. So was this in Southern California that this all took place then? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Wow. What a story. That's amazing.

Oh, man. Thank you. It might sound kind of dumb. No, it's awesome. These are the kind of stories that my listeners absolutely love. Did you first see the film then in a, I know it was shown in movie theaters a lot. Did you see it in a movie theater then? No, I didn't.

You know something I don't remember. I think it was on TV. During that time period. So you were getting into your, your almost 20 in that time period right after the PG film. Did you seriously go out and start looking at that time besides trying to get the, Oh, no, I did not. Not at all that. come at a much later date.

I had read a little bit about these things, and I'm kind of using anyway, and I'm certainly not really an outdoorsman or anything like Hunter or anything. I did a lot of hiking, but it wasn't for looking for monsters, but I got to thinking about

and what I did find out about it. Peter Byrne, he's the first guy I contacted sometime in the mid-70s or something, but I realized about Fitness, he never seen one that I know. Anyway, Peter Byrne didn't, John Green didn't, and Dr.

Kranz didn't. And upon my God, you could get out, to get a chance to even get this glimpse of one of these things at a distance, much less close up. You could search all your life. And I just thought it wasn't feasible to go on for what, the time that was involved and everything else. and not that they're not out there, but I was learning a little bit

by the time I was in my 20s. I opted to collect snakes and stuff, and they did that for many years when all the United States down the Everglades and different places. I always had these things on my mind, but I figured I'm collecting snakes to run across one of them,

that will be a plus, but not likely. And so I didn't get into it until my real, what I could call an expert, addition was after I had gone and quaint in the late year, it was in the 90s and late 90s. And by that time I knew Richard Greenwell of the International Society of Cryptozoology. I don't know if you're familiar with him. I have heard of the society. Okay.

He was the secretariat and Dr. McHaw, Roy McHill was the vice president and Bernard Hoover. was the president. And that was a day established, they were founded the Smithsonian. They were legit guys. And so me and Richard,

we did a lot of build research, started, but they didn't start until 98. And in 99, I went with him on, it was the second expedition

that he had in the CISC years. And the first expedition that he had been with was with him, Dr. Meldrum, and a fellow by him Mark Slash.

He was the guy, and then Darwin, which was his son. He didn't, but two years, that was in 1997. And I think it's in Dr. Milgin's book. He's got it in there, which was interesting. I didn't, of course, this was long before his book come out, but he tells what happened there when he was on the team back in there and that they were clamped in a medal where these things came in there at night, and they were running in between their tents and stuff.

They had stole their oatmeal. And they had it down in the bags, and these things took it out. They didn't make a mess like a barewood. And they heard him running back and forth, and Dr. Meldrum was sitting in his tent. And he said one of them actually hit the guide wire or something on the, and jerked his tent running through there. But anyway, the next morning they checked it out

and the tracks were there and was biped and the grass nothing is a good cast but the indentations where they had been that come in during the nine Richard was using

a call blasting and stuff so anyway that was 97 and then Richard asked me if I wanted to go on the next one which was 1999 and we went in June

or June and July I think it was but it's only a window frame to get in there, it's just snow and stuff most of the year. It's only a couple of months that are really saved to get back in there. It's about 40 miles back in from Orleans

and the canyon. It was a heck of a trick. We had the first is 500 pounds of equipment and food supplies and thermal imaging and everything else. So we got back there and there was some results. And we called last,

in the canyons and the evening with what's purportedly Bigfoot screams and stuff like that. We had babies and how our monkey sounds and baby sounds, humans and stuff. And I, we split up. There was a

the main camp, base camp, was Richard and his son. And then me and Angelo Caparillo. He was a biologist from the University of Chicago. We We camped out about a mile away from there, our camp was.

And Angelo, he couldn't handle my snoring. So he went 100 feet down the mountain somewhat. I was by myself there, and something was coming around. And I'm going to say this because it's important, it has something to do with something that happened in my area recently. Now, this was 1999 in Fiskees, Northern California. when this was going on. And after the call blasting one evening,

I stepped out of the tent to relieve myself. And I heard something snap, that quick snap. And right on the other side of it was a big canyon. But anyway, I heard it and that's all I heard. But we had already, we had to shoot a bearer. I think it was just four or five days before it was stalking us. and I actually was going to charge we didn't have any choice.

So I was thinking there and I got back in my tent I knew something was, I felt that something big was there and I had a pistol and mace and I felt somewhat comfortable with that. Anyway, went through the night, nothing happened. The next night

about the same time of night about 1 o'clock in the morning, I stepped out. I hear the Twitter, a snap, the same area. Of course it's pitch black, but I get back in the tent. I told, I'd go, we'd hike back to the base camp

and have breakfast in the morning, and I told Richard, he's the team leader, and I had all the equipment and night equipment everywhere there, thermal imaging and night equipment, infrared, but I said, you guys are to set this stuff around

my can, I think something's coming around there. And at this, point I wasn't thinking Bigfoot. I was thinking Barry. But he said, yeah, maybe we should do that. They talked to her. They didn't want to do it right then.

They wanted to quit my word they were at. So the third name, I got out at the same time. I heard the trick's now. Wellness looks different at every stage. The right support makes all the difference. Power performance with vital proteins, advanced collagen peptides plus creatine. Designed to help build and maintain muscle mass

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rush and stuff on one side of it. And then right behind it, there was a log. There was bowed, and not a log, but a limb. But it was bowed up just like a guard for a car if you were in a park right in front. It was just bowed up, just perfectly, went across level and then came back down. And I had stood on that before I set my tent up there, and I jumped on it. I was 165 pounds, and I didn't budget, so it was solid. So I had that behind me. That's where my head was where a slip. So this third night, one of whom that twid, I think right from that area there was an animal trouble and went all the way back and I came back around right behind my tent.

So I think whatever it was there, it did that. But it was sometime during the night, I heard that that branch or that big tree part just going, like it was going down, making a noise. I couldn't budget jumping on it. So something heavy was pushed on it. It was right behind my head. And then it went, and then it went, but started, I could tell it was going back up,

so something didn't want to make any noise. And then right on the side, I mean the right hand slid of the tent, right after that, I heard this, excuse me, don't jump, but I got to trying to give me an idea. I heard of, Oh, oh, who, oh, wow, ah,

only 10 times worse, 10 times louder. So that, of course, it made me, that was unnerving, and I didn't know to think of that. And I thought

someone was going to come through my tents. So I sit there, Indian style all night with my pistol in one hand and mace and the other. Nothing happened.

And it was years later, there's a lot more on that expedition, but I want to make a point because at least something happened there that got me in trouble many years later,

like within the last couple of years here. I'm in Oregon right now, central Oregon, surrounded by mountains and woods. And that sounds, there was a few years after that with a friend of mine, I was over to his house, Retman, Neillis Jr. I don't know if you've ever heard.

I mean, Bigfootology had he established. But anyway, he, I was over in his house and I had never heard the Ron Moore had paid on the bottom on the Sierra, sounds and I came off with that sound and I told I was telling him the same story that was years ago and he says I he looked at me and says I don't think you because I was still thinking bear I don't know anything about bears not that maybe the I don't know sounded awful you know scary for a bear to come off like a rough but I he says I don't this my friend says I don't think he's

seen a bear and he played me at the more headstakes I see it sounds about the third one in with the aggressive sound and it is almost an exact and I think holy heck maybe yeah I think one of those things

was standing by my tips I don't think he liked me being there it was aggressive for sure so many years later coming up to now I was introduced in area by a hunter

and well to somebody else I knew I was interested in Bigfoot. But anyway, I got a ministerian, and right off the van, we started having things happening. And my gosh, that's probably an hour, two-hour talk right there on all less. So I'm just going to keep to the point here for now.

That sound, after knowing these things over here, we had to come in in different areas and whistle from both sides, communicate or whatever camping. Everything was fine. And this friend of mine is named Dwayne. He's a rugged old hunter. I don't think he's afraid of much. He's been charged by grizzly bears twice, and it didn't bother him.

And he knew these things were up here, but people didn't believe him. And anyway, I was introduced soon, and I wanted to go up with him. Nobody had ever went up with him. I did. And we had some action. It was going on. Everything was fine. and then on the evening we were there, we're camping in this metal area.

It's a good, pretty high elevation. It's back in a ways. And I was sitting in my chair, sitting on the chair, sitting on the beer, and him and his dad, we had grandfather there too. And they were, they went to lay down in the tent. It was getting dust. And I was sitting outside of the tent and the chair, and I asked him what kind of sound?

he's been up there camping there and hunting mostly by himself for over 40 years and knowing those things over there. And over 40 years, he only got to see one once and it was about 300 feet. And only one time with them being there all the time was so gives you an idea. But I asked him and I said,

what can this sound you heard over the years? I mean, you come out with something water, and so I said, I'm going to share a sound with you that I heard one time. So I came off with the one I just was trying to come out with you. And if you hear that Ron Moore had a Scareer sounds or whatever,

about the third one is it. So I did that and pretty loud. And I was just sitting there and about 15 minutes later, 20 minutes or whatever, we heard these things coming from a distance, a long distance,

just falling in a room. Raisin' Hill and screamed, something was very agitated, and there was more than one, and they were coming our way. But the way he knew exactly what it was coming, and I said, ooh, I said any of those sounds, because these things, a couple of them were coming up like crazy, agitated chimpanzees, and another one was coming off sounding like a mad owl, another one was coming off like a coyote, and another one like a raven. All of them were going at the same time, and they're headed our way, and they're getting louder. And so I said, I asked him, they were still in the tent. I said, do you ever hear anything like that? Do you see out? No, not quite like that.

And I said, yeah, we know what they were. And I said, I think this is a premier of the coming attraction. And I got in the tent pretty quick with them. They were just in up room with the three of us. And they're coming. They're getting louder. they got to where we're at, it was, it was totally dark. And they came, we could hear him coming in and circling

and the back of the metal coming around just within the tree of wine. And they came directly behind her tent and just, for an hour and a half, they terrorized this. We actually didn't think we were going to live through the night. It was so bad. There's no way to explain it how intense it really was. but the two of them coming off like chimpanzees and crazy chimpanzees and the other animal sounds

and you could tell they were running back and forth and one of them was charging bump bump bump right up heavy and just running it right up to the tent and then it'd run back and I did that every once in a while they did it for about an hour and a half and every time the one that it was charging

you embrace for impact because it felt like it was going to he was going to come and take the tent and you with it and just go right on through. That's what you felt like. But it was tough on a dime right at the day as you found it like right there at the tent before it came through and then run back. Your first sip should do more than simply start today.

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and went back down the same way and you can hear them keep going until they started fading out while they were fading out and fading out until you couldn't hear them anymore and that was a while they'd turn anyway a scared like Jesus out of us

and what's interesting that one of the things that is is that the day before I had we were doing our recon around there and we've seen a track of one but it was a smaller track

it was probably about 12 inches maybe a little less but they would just see the impression what it was and it was going a certain way and there was a tree right there too it looked like it and a little pathway like

and that's when we I said let's get some food and put out in that tree where I hadn't tried to put food up and I thought oh gosh I didn't know the perfect tree that's a food and stuff. So we went to town

and we got bananas and we come back and put them on the tree. Next morning, we went out and checked and those tracks were coming from the tree and the bananas were gone. And there were snow scraps underneath the tree or anything. Something had taken the bananas.

So that's why we set up our camp right there. I said our camp up here. So we did. So that evening, that happened. And of course, they were anxious to get out of there. The grandpa, he never said a word or said in. None of us were really talking. Not until it was over, they were leaving.

And the lesson of the stories are funny one. I'm going to skip it for now. But next morning, everybody was in our right. As soon as we got daybreak, we were ready to go. But we were standing there for a little bit of talking. And I, because I'm trying to figure out what the hell is going on. We'd have been going in there. I would know they were coming around.

and we hadn't had any problems and they just went ballistic crazy this night and I was telling DeWine I said my God I wonder what happened why did they do that and I'm thinking because I was telling me that the younger one

took the bananas it looked like from the tracks he might have taken them back to the old man and the old man might have got pissed off at us for giving his kids some food and I'm just trying to figure it out and then he says no

and this guy is a seasoned hunter and he's been all over a big game hunter he said no he said they were here for you I feel the shivers the shills go right down my neck I said here for me why but

he says last night he said when you come up with that sound he says I wasn't 20 minutes they were headed here he says they came here for you I thought oh shit but anyway we left and I did go back

and I took him home and I went back only because I had a print as a big fun hunter happened to be in a house the house here Don Devereaux I don't know if you ever heard of him but

he was at my house he came from Montana just happened to be when I came here that day after the camped out there and he's a big time big hunter

he's 80 years old he's still going on and he's quite a fellow but I told him he said go up there hell I didn't want to go back I was still freaking nervous

I took him back up there and we walked around and I found seeing where they came in it was like they just leveled the brush and everything there wasn't anything a big pathway

must have been four feet wide where they came in and went through around but it was too hard to see any really distinguished old tracks but it was all messed up scratch you could tell them where

the footprints were back and forth, nothing to cast, it was hard ground. But on the other side where they went out, I found two trash and softer areas. And the first one I've seen was I measured it by breaking a stick off. I didn't have any paper or measuring stuff. I broke a stick off and measured it a little later,

but this one track was 15 inches, and close to 9 inches, it was 15 inches long. close to nine inches like at the ball and close to seven inches at the heel. And not far from that, there was another track. And then it had stepped right down where it was soft foyerly or grass or green. I don't know what you told the stuff, but anyway, it was heavy. And it was spongy-like material underneath the canopy and a soft moist ground right in this area.

and this thing had stepped right there and right down there right down to the root. You see the root system and stuff. I jumped on it and the area is right there at the track and I jumped. And it's just like a sponge.

It went down and it came back up. This, whatever, it was so heavy. It went right down and laid the bare route. And the track was 23 inches long and about nine and a half inches wide and seven inches out the heel. So that was the big daddy guy. And that's the one, I guess I pissed off.

Duane had said that he wasn't going to ever go back. He'd been hunting over there over 40 years with him. Never was bothered. But that really did it for him. And pretty much me too. And about a month later, I wanted to go back up there. And I went by and I asked him, said, let's go up there. Let's just go.

I said, I said, Dwayne, I said, it's daytime. It's summertime. It's in the afternoon. It's hot. I said,

they're going to be out sleeping somewhere. I said, I wouldn't worry about it. Let's go up there. Let's just go. And I talked him into it. And his daughter came along, the one they introduced me to him.

And we went up there and are you still with me? Yes, Ronnie. I am just, I'm letting you talk because this is, amazing. I'm doing my best trying not to ask questions, but this is amazing. I tell you, because somebody

interrupting me or taking off or doing something. It's taken me years to get to the point not to interrupt people. I hope the guy didn't hang up. I think this is so much bullshit. You're good.

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In fact, I take the subject too seriously to do that. So we went up there, and I just, what I'm thinking, because I was a little nervous going back, but I thought, now, now, these things are going to, now they'll be sleeping somewhere. And I really convinced myself of that. And we got up there parked right apart from the metal. And I had my car, they took their feet, his daughter took the Jeep, they drove in that, and I had my little green car. And we were parked right there on the access road, right next to the metal.

I was back in the metal a little bit and we were there and if you hear some animals or birds chirping or something usually okay there's pretty good sign they're not there unless you want them to be there it was completely silent that's a good sign that they're probably around but these little birds were chirping

on the other side of the meadow it's a pretty good size of metal about a hundred feet or cross or more the front and the birds little birds trip trip trip I just sounded like little finches or something. But I'm hearing the birds,

and I'm looking at the daughter, she's staring over that area. She's pretty smart girl. Nobody's saying anything. I'm looking over that way, too. She starts chirping. And then she's got like a pattern. Kind of like a pattern coming from the little birdie over there, too.

And she, yeah, it changed. It was different. The chirping, I'm still not. I'm not sure. She walks over there. It was about 60 feet. And when she got within 15 feet, the little birdie started picking up and tripping, trip,

getting excited. Maybe birds can get excited, somebody walking towards them. But she didn't go any further. And still, nobody's saying anything. We're just watching. And she turned around and walked back to us, me and her dad. and they were really going crazy

and then something else was happening. Two birds, two squirrels came off about that kind of off the distance and towards the bottoms, what it's called the bottoms. And it's a fascinating area. That's the first place we camped out when I went up there.

I thought it was a good place. It's about hours hike down in there and it's like the old growth and stuff and creek and cabbage and you can tell and part of the swamp and the other. I'm in a perfect place for those things. That's where we'd stay the first night.

And we actually had two of them that night. That was long before this deal. And you have to keep up with me if you can because I get sidetracked sometimes. But I'm going to get back to what I was saying. But that first night, we had a whispered both sides. The next morning, we figured what it was.

The next morning we knew going out of the bottoms, hiking starting to hike because the rocks were hitting the trees ahead of the scissors going out so that confirmed what it was but that's when it was okay we weren't having a problem now it's changed now now we're there got the daughter and she's back and two squirrels the bottoms that are in the direction of the bottoms they're going off crazy and Dwayne said and he didn't know his wildlife or that weren't right on up. But he said

something's coming this way. And it wasn't just right after he said that we could hear him coming. It was the same freaking sounds that night. Now this is 3 o'clock in the afternoon. And they're coming. That crazy chimpanzee sounds

and the wolf sound or that coyote rather and the raven and owl. All the five of them, I counted five. the way he thought there was a lot more than that but I'm going by the sounds I thought there was alive but a very out of way getting louder and louder just like the night except this is daytime and they knew we were there and it's like this second time they're going to have to

freaking warn us you know but they come up there and the under girl on the other side of the matter was probably about 100 feet away and they came up to that you could tell they were right there screaming and hollering and it sounded like surround sound amplified and echoing and just so loud and they weren't coming out in the open they were right

there and screaming and hollering and Delaine asked his daughter and said do you want to leave because she was pacing back and forth she said yeah and they got in the car and left he asked me he said you come and I I don't know

why but I said no I'm a stigrant a little bit. And I'm not a brave person. I don't know why I do some things. I can't believe why I do some things. But I, anyway, they laughed and that was a lonely feeling watching her black sheep going on out

the dirt road and tree woods on both sides of that. And then I'm hearing. These things are screaming and hollering. And it's me. I guess they want. And I'm staying, which sounds crazy. And I'm looking at my car. It's about 20 feet away.

And it's pointed in a direction that is a dead end on that road. So I get in and I have to turn around. And I got a pretty good idea of these things. If I'm going to move, they're quick. They want you, they're going to get you. I'm thinking, my gosh, I don't want them to have to think about it. They might just change in that car getting in there and turning around to take a little time. I'm analyzing, but I start walking towards a car because of closer to it, I am the safer I feel.

And as I'm walking towards it, it's like I got two voices in my head. One saying, get the hell out of here, run, go. And the other one's saying, no, if you go, you're going to kick yourself in the butt the rest of your life. This is why you're here. And I just kept going back and forth as I'm watching. I was going towards a car because I wanted to get out of there. But I didn't. I walked to the front of the car and leaned up against the hood.

Now, these things are in backing me now. I got my back at them. And they're just still screaming and hollering and really carrying on. And I was determined that one voice, whatever was, and won out. But I thought that this is it. I'm staying. I don't care if they tear me apart. I'm staying here.

And as soon as I thought that, I'm not really into the spine-speak stuff, but it was almost like, as soon as I thought that I'm standing here, even if they'll happen, even if they're tearing me apart, as soon as I thought that, another sound joined in with them.

And it was the most hideous, deep, gurgling, growl, I like straight from hell or something, and it was loud. It's just as loud as them, and they were so loud already, and it was just a growl. Because I knew, and as soon as I heard that, because this fellow sounded real serious,

I was already bad enough. And when that joined in, I thought, oh, I changed my mind. And I walked around slowly to my car and opened the door, and they're still going. But as soon as I sat down, I hadn't even closed the door yet. It was silence. They all shut up,

which I knew right then they did what they accomplished what they wanted. So I drove out of the slow, turned around, got the car turned around, and drove back out. I had to be within probably 60 feet of them or something back in there in the brush.

I had the windows down. It went slow. Didn't hear a thing. You wouldn't know that any. anything was there. And I yelled out the window on the way on. I said, I love you. I don't know why I did that.

But I went out and I thought, oh, boy, that's it. My big foot days are over and I thought, I'm content. I don't need it. I don't need that. That's just too much. And I went back home and I was glad to be relieved because I don't want to go. But then again, it started bothering me. And I thought, holy shit.

I'm just thinking about it. I can't get it off my mind. And I, it's like a loose end or something. I'm leaving something and I didn't feel good about it. But I'm terrified to go back and I ain't got nobody to go with me either. I'm alone. And I just wanted to go back. But I'm not going to go back especially and push the envelope.

Two stern warnings at least. One, at least you thought, that first time you really thought you were going to die. And these things can scare the hell out of it. They can terrify you. It's no wonder, I believe that, and I've interviewed a lot of people over the years, and military people that have been through this and been through combat, without fail, somebody that had combat and had an experience with it. Just seeing them, I don't think as bad as what we went through,

have said that this is more frightening or more terrorizing than being in a war. And I know where they're coming from. at least with this experience. But anyway, I'm laying here and I thought, I felt guilty too because Dwayne had told me. He said, now he says, I never had a problem with them until I brought you up here. And I'm thinking, my gosh, this is awful.

And it took me two weeks laying on my back and thinking about it. And I thought, my God, I want to go back. And I'm just going to take a lot. They have to have a reason. And I thought, God, I wonder if I could change it around. If I could change it around and get them back where they're not pissed off and agitated, maybe that would be worth a try.

That's the only way I would go back if there was a chance. And I thought of it, gosh, I'll go back with the food. They wouldn't touch that food either. They walked by those bananas. We had fresh, put bananas back up in there after the younger one had taken them. And this things went in that night. And they passed that tree up twice. They was going in and coming back out.

And they didn't touch no bananas. They didn't want them. They were too. That's how pissed they were. But so anyway, I thought about it, and I thought, God, this is really simple. The best way's music, right? I'll get some stuff maybe and go back and put some food up in the tree. And this time, I'll take a guitar and sing a little bit.

And it took me a while. I don't know what it was after I thought of that. and how many days I sit and thought about it. And I was terrified to even think about it, doing it. But one morning I did it, I just got up and I just said, I'm doing it. I'm going. And I went by the supermarket and I got some fruit and stuff. And I went up there, put in a tree, I had a chair and a six-back and my guitar.

And I put the food up in the chair. And the tree is back in away from the access road, about 100 feet. So when I'm putting the food up, it takes 10 or 15 minutes. put it all through the tree, and I looked back, and that would have been my worst nightmare. I was saying, oh, my God, I hope doing this. I don't look back when I'm standing there by my car or in between me and the car and have a heart attack,

but it didn't happen. So I did that, and I did it before I got in reality. I was doing it for three months. There was about three weeks in between that I didn't because a bearer caught on. He just made a mess of everything, getting the food and containers I had and everything. I stayed the way for over a week, hoping he'd go away by then, come back, and he had been done a couple of days. Later, he came back in.

So I stopped for another two weeks. Then I started putting the fruit back up, doing my thing and singing and playing the guitar, all together with all this. And sometimes the fruit or whatever it would have, it would totally rot twice. It rotted and go back up there and it's all certain and nothing touched it. That happened twice within that three months and I don't know why that happened. Somebody out there from Mayhem know that I, but the rest of the time that other animals, the critters, the ravens, the birds and squirrels or whatever,

it would get the food, apples or whatever. But they always left droppings and food parts or whatever, banana peels or the end of it, or whatever, there was always a mess, no matter what, got into them. After doing that, like I said, three months, I was persistent at it, and I was just scared of death every time I headed out of here to drive up there, but it did it anyway.

And this one day, I go by and get some food and take it back up. And nothing was happening up there. Boy, the second time went up there, didn't take them want to know we were there in the daytime and coming after our ass. How am? I've been there for almost three months, And there was some silent times there, but no activities, no sounds, no nothing.

So I don't know. I'm sure those things, this is an established area. There's no doubt about that. And I'm sure they were there at some time during that three months. And yet they, I don't know, they must have been sit back and maybe watch me and watch this crazy fellow that came back after threatening to kill me twice. Maybe they thought it was crazy and wanted to study me. I don't know. but nothing happened.

No sounds going to nothing. But anyway, towards the end of the third month, I went by the supermarket and I don't know if this had anything to do with it. I don't think it did. I think something happened anyway, but I got some fruit and I got some bananas. Oh, and I was taking up peanut butter at that time to peanut butter sandwich. But I had gotten a blackberry cobbler, half a one. and I had it in a container, a clear container where you could see through it,

and it snapped on the sides. Like a pie container, you've seen them. They're clear, you can see through them, and they snap on the side. So I took it all up there, and I put the bananas peanut butter, or two of the lambs and tied some of the food and stuff up from the bottom and the top. And on the cobbler, I put it in a cloth bag, shopping bag. It was cloth, a heavy-duty cloth, and I put it. the cobbler container with the cobbler in about eight feet up on a limb and I sat there for about

20 minutes or 100 about 70 feet from the tree and played some songs and sang drink one or two beers and I packed up left out of there the next morning I come back and I'm locked up to the track and see I had I had a dozen bananas around the tree they weren't there I could tell that when I'm approaching the tree they weren't there and I'm looking down at the ground, there's no mesh. All these other animals have always made a mess, no matter what it was or left part of something. There's no

mess. It's clean. And I think, oh, that's a good sign. And now I'm looking at that bag with the cobbler and I take it down and look at it. And the container is still in the bottom, but

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They started taking the food. And I go back to town to tell Duane. I said, Duane, you got to come up. I said, you just got to come up. I want your opinion on this. I took him up there. And I put the bag up eight feet. I took it down and showed him,

told him no scraps around here and all that. And I look at that. This is clean in here. This is a container. It's clean. and what really got him that it had been snapped back and he told me

he said, I don't know he says, I don't know if anything would have could have done that and I knew I was successful at that point on that I took him back I put some more food up

I put 12 apples up after that and I went back up by myself and every time I really have to get my nerve but to go back up there but I went up there next day and I can tell walking up to the tree

apples are gone and I'm looking around there's no scraps and oh boy and I I'm looking there's one apple on the lowest limb

that I put one down below and it's right there there was one apple and it hadn't been touched and I don't know but I'm thinking hey it might have been

a kind of like a peace offering we're good at least that's the way I wanted to think of it. And so I did a little singing thing, and I left. Did the same thing repeat to come back, gone. No sounds, no nothing. And did my little singing thing left.

I come back. I think it was about the fourth time. And I come back. And now I'm sitting there. I put the food up and I go sit in my chair, sip on a beer and start playing. And now I'm hearing, I'm hearing the whips and little high-pitched sounds and stuff

and back me back in the woods a little bit and I thought oh boy I did it I'm thinking I did it but I'm still nervous I'm scared I'm not really thinking it that way of until the next time and I notice these things back in there for the whoops and stuff and just like the sound you hear that people say they've recorded and the whoopi

so now I'm hearing it for the second time and it just dawned on me. I succeeded in what I wanted to do to turn it around. And I don't know why I didn't think that before, but I didn't. And all of a sudden it hit me. It was like 100 pounds of weight just went right off my shoulders and stress and stuff. And so it was all right. It was great.

And I felt good. It was comfortable. It's a pretty amazing feeling to be connected in some way to something like that. It's just, it's hard to explain, like connecting with another world or something. And on a friendly basis, too, gosh, what a feeling. So I did my thing, I drive out of there. And I don't know why. And had it happen a lot.

It kept going back. And they were there waiting for me. But I was scared. Every morning, I was just, I had all I could do to get my nerve up. Even though it had been pleasant, it was still nerve-wracking that they'd go back. once I was there and they were doing the thing and I was playing and saying it was fine. But I was always scared

the next morning to go up and I don't know why but I was. So it was really interesting. I had done it and I'd changed it around and had what a feeling. So I'm glad I didn't sit on my ass or risk my life wondering about it. So I did that and

it really got interesting but I still didn't want to go by myself and I wanted company or somebody to or something and there's a fellow big guy works out he's a Mexican fella

and he's been to prison and all this stuff but he's actually a good guy like he was a friend but he'd not into this big foot or stuff or anything in the woods or whatever but he knew what I was doing

I thought he lives at the Adjutown before I start off in the road to go back up there and I don't want to draw by just the hell of it and see if he wants to go because I want a company

and he's surprised me. He said, yeah, I'll go with you. So he did. Now, all these stuff had been happening with me. So now I'm taking him up there. And we get right to this place, right by the metal, right and close the tree's not too far from there. As soon as we pulled him, as soon as we got out of the car,

I'm ahead of him walking towards the tree and he's behind me. And those things started off with weapon and stuff, but a little more aggressive. There was some stonking and a little bit, it was just a little bit different and maybe a little intimidating and especially somebody that never experienced anything. And I looked back in him and his eyes were really

the balls right out and the look in his face was priceless. He says, I think I want to go. And I said, God. I said, Sal, I said, this is, I said, it's just getting started. I want to go. I said I had to take him out of her. But I did that a couple of times.

I took another fellow up there. Some time in between, it wasn't very often, but I could find someone to go. But he walked back in a little bit, a big stomp on the ground and the smell. I never ever smelt anything with him, but this guy did. And he was a hiker,

hiked the mountains and stuff, never hanging express. He didn't want to come back either. I took the one that was really interesting. Third guy, I took back. out there, he used to live here in this small town. He hunted elk and deer and thought he was a hunter. And he was interested in Bigfoot.

He had to bear it too. But he was interested in Bigfoot. I talked to him about it when he lived here. And he was just intrigued with it, but he had never seen any evidence. Hunting here for 13 years. And he got divorced. So he went to New York where he's got famished. But he comes out here about once a year and spends a few days with some

family, his kid and stuff. Anyway, he was out here. He gave me a call and he wanted to spend a day with me before he went back to New York. I said, yeah, it'd be great. So he came over. I didn't tell him anything yet. And when he showed up, I said, hey, I think I know where Bigfoot was at.

And he got excited enough. That's great. So we went up there. I always thought that these things knew because they were there waiting for me when we had this gone. And I had, I figured that they knew when I was coming because of my car. If I remember, right, I think that we took his van.

And we were up there, and probably maybe 10 minutes before the area that I stopped at where the tree is and the metal. I mean, it's all woods and mountain there. You can't see. And it's a ways away yet. And we're driving up there towards it, And then I got the food and everything, but I hadn't heard this sound up there yet.

I did hear it in the Ciscus in Northern California, but I heard the sound that sounds like an air raid, you know, that one. And he heard it, and his eyes got big, and he looked at me and he pointed. And I said, well, of course, by this time, I'm pretty used to him being there. even though I hadn't heard that sound before, they hadn't come off with that one up there. And I looked at him and I said, yeah, I said that a fellow, he's just, he's letting us know that he knows we're coming or he's gathered in the troops.

We made it and we arrived to the spot. We get out, and as soon as we got out, the trees don't, we're always part, trees not far. There was a grunt coming from the other side of the, on the other side of the road away from the tree. It was several hundred feet, I'd guess, about 300 feet back. And I checked that out on the YouTube later on after I got out of there.

It was a gorilla. It sounded just like a freaking gorilla. Anyway, you heard that grunt. And he's not saying anything. We're silent. But he pointed me and looked. I said, I just shook my hand. And about a minute later, that was on the other side of this metal.

we're looking at. And then on the other side of the metal, it's a grunt came off again. And he said, I think something's encircling us. And I said, yeah, I do too. That's what you would think. It was in sequence.

A grunt there. A little bit of grunt like something's going this direction and a grunt further down in the same direction going. And then about a minute later, there was a grunt behind us behind. I think, well, I'd cross the road further down the other.

access road, now it's behind us on the left because it's a grunt there. About a minute later, there was a grunt behind us on the other side of us behind us. And so that's five grunts. And it sounded just like something encircled us. And so this guy, he's not your typical fella. Most people wouldn't, that would have been enough. They'd wanted to get him out of there. But no, the screen would have done it before we got back in there.

He was excited. and he's just looking around, and he's a big guy. He's like an old hillbilly or something, but he's all right. He's got a good heart, and he's just excited, and he's looking around and stuff, and I wonder what he's looking for. I'm laying it up against the car, and he sees a tree branch of limb, and he says, can I grab that and whack that tree? I don't make any sounds, but he deserved it.

I was more interested in him at this point, and I was the Bigfoot. But I said, yeah, I said, plus, you, has permission. Gosh, I don't get that much respect, usually. It's pretty neat. So I said, yeah, go ahead and grab it and go ahead, do it. I said, I don't do it because I don't know what I'm conveying, but go ahead. He whacked it once.

He whacked it twice. Then he whacked it the third time. And the third time he did it, those five grunts from those five positions came off at the same time. We were already surrounded. What do you think of that? figured that one out. I'm still here.

Dude, this is nuts. Okay, I have a clarification question real quick. I don't want to distract you at all, but how long ago was this? About two years ago. Two years ago,

Ronnie? Yeah, I couldn't get back in there. I would have continued doing what I was doing, but I had to go to Florida for a while. I ended up seven months there. And that was the beginning of spring a couple years ago. And then I got.

back here and there was a fire going so I couldn't get back in there. Then winter was coming. There was snow. Then the next year, a frickin fire again. And so I haven't been able to get back in there. It's been blocked off. I did manage for a little while. One of the fires I got back up in there and I put a food back up in there.

I haven't been able to get back and check it out. And right now it's still snow up in there and muddy and I'm afraid I'll get stuck. It's a ways back in. So I haven't been able to get back. back up in there, but I did get up there for a little bit before fucking, I haven't problems again, but I, because I was worried that the fire had taken this whole area out. I thought, oh, God, that'd be my luck, that's established area with a family of these things, and it couldn't destroy.

In fact, that's what everybody was saying, fireworkers, that guys are ahead of these fires are directing or whatever, because I was asking around, they said, look, pretty much, that's gone. It wasn't. I got up when there was calm and you get access to get back in there and stuff. Heck, the growth back in this area where these things

were, was twice as thick at the end of growth there. So it's even better. And I seen deer there too. So I'm thinking that all that smoke and activity and everything but they would have had to left. But whether they came back or not, not sure. But I got

a feeling they probably would. And it hadn't been in touch, so that was great. As soon as I get back up in there, and I tried to be sure. Yeah, but it's only been a couple years since I, and I left on good terms. Ronnie, can you share anything about, can you share anything about where that area

or the general location of that area is for context? Oh, I don't want to share where that. I get it. I totally get that, Ronnie. Can you, is it, are we talking, can you at least share the state? Oh, it's Oregon. It's Oregon.

Okay. In fact, I'll tell you, I'll tell you the city. Yeah, I can tell you that. It's not a city. It's a town. It's about two or three miles long. It's surrounded by mountains. There's places, Eugene, but it's Oak Ridge.

I mean, Oak Ridge, surrounded by mountains and woods. Those reports around here often. Yeah. I can tell you all about some interesting reports, actually. How long ago did the Dwayne, your incident when Dwayne was with you, how long ago did that happen? Wellness looks different at every stage. The right support makes all the difference. Shake up your routine.

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Yeah, I'll tell you something funny. And funny, because he was really happy that I was up there with him. And we'd go up there and at the beginning, he'd say, this is my research area. And I don't know anything. Every once when he'd say that. He had in the car one time because he'd been up there. And we'd had some other, just other things that happen.

I don't know how much time with that. But I have time. He said this is that one time he said. He says, this is our research area. He says, there I go. He said, I'm saying our research area now, and I thought that was kind of nice. But when we were coming up on, when he said, he spotted that track. He's just excellent as a track tracker and animals.

And when he's seen that track coming from the trees, that's where I got, that's where I got to get to put that food up in that tree. He's seen that. And I said, God, yes, he had to point it out to me. I would have walked right over. That's when he hit me on the bag and said, this is our research area. That makes you feel good.

That night when we, I said, let's camp out here. That's what I should do in that metal over there. We put up against the tree line. And of course, that night they came in and doing that and went through all that. And after they left, we're still here leaving. And Duane's, he's cussing. He's cussing.

Son of it. You're just going on and think, oh shit, this guy's got a tamper I know. And I'm thinking, oh, God, he's not pissed me for getting him in a situation. I'm the one suggested camping here. And he's just a cussing him, cussing. I ain't saying nothing.

No, grandpa, he's right in the middle of us. He never did say him about anything. I thought he was pretty brave, and I found it later on, he was terrified. He ain't ever going back out in the woods, grandpa. But Dwayne, he's just cussing away. I just finally had to say something. I said, Duane.

I said, what are you cussing at? He says, I'm cussing myself. I'm cussing myself or getting myself in this situation. And I said, we could still hear him fading out, though. I said, Duane, they're leaving. I said, you said, yeah, they're gone. He said, they're not coming back. Because I didn't know that 100%.

I didn't feel they were. At that point, they didn't hurt us. They didn't kill us. And things don't warn you that much anyway. I just thought we're okay. They accomplished their mission, scared of the Jesus out of us. Because that doesn't mean they can't change their mind. But I told her, I said, they're not coming back.

And he said, how do you know? I said, they're just not. They did what they wanted to do. They're scared they held out of us, figured we won't come back. He can't cussing anyway. And at that point, I was going to go to sleep. I actually felt okay. I'm pretty much anyway.

Not all, not 100%. He just kept cousin. I said, Duane, what? I said, this is our research area.

He said, this is your research area. I don't want to be a researcher. That is hilarious. Oh, that was classic. Oh, man. That's such a good story,

Ronnie. Thank you for sharing that. That's amazing. And it just happened. two years ago. Wow. Oh, yeah, early recently.

I got a fiddling back there. My idea was to keep pushing the envelope slowly after I'd reestablished they were okay and they're there. I thought, my gosh, every step you take with something on, like, it's just

crooked hair raising. It's scary stuff. But I thought, I made it that far. I looked back and it seems surreal. I just can't imagine me that brave to go back up there, after the dangerous as they sounded those two times. And I went back up there by myself.

And I just can't, I find that hard to believe. Because I just stayed that very. But I did it. I know it's weird. But it's like there's another me or something. So I figured, gosh, things are going along good, even though I'm still nervous about going up there. God, I figured, I'm just guessing maybe a year, within a year,

because I thought from there, I got the trust. I think that one apple was left for me. and they're pretty, and these things are not trusting. It takes a lot. These events, circumstances, I haven't happened the way they did. I don't think it would ever do. I thought, God, if I do that for a year straight and even get them more trusting,

of course, I'd probably have to stay up there at night. I hadn't got my nerve up yet to do at night. This daytime stuff, even with them being nice, I feel scared to go up there and stay there. stay the night, but I figured if I do this for a year, I might get to meet them, see them, and I'd probably have to do it

a night where they'd feel safer, where they can get closer to you, but that was my goal, and then all the stuff that happened with the fires and everything, and just messed everything up. If I continue it, that's what I think I'll try to do that, but now I'm nervous again. I'm, like

starting over, I almost, I don't know if dynamics have changed, if they've changed, or maybe they're moody. Maybe somebody join the group that doesn't like people. There's all kinds of things go through your head. I want to find out as soon as I can. They still muddy and still up there now.

And as soon as I can, I'm going to get back in there and tinker around with it some more. So great stuff. But I I got to tell you this one. Before we I have a quick question, Ronnie, to throw in. Would

you take people to that area? again? No, not unless I really knew. Sure. I did get some guys together before, and I was going to put a group together. And actually, I took a lot of time doing handpicked the people and stuff. Most of the people here think you're something wrong with me. That goes with the territory with any place on this stuff.

I'm used to that. That doesn't bother me. But there's a few people, and most of the people, people that have this stuff, there was people that come on the side because I got the reputation around here as being the Bigfoot guy which most people, 95% of them think so a joke but there's the people

come to you on the side that have done something to happen that don't want, they have to leave here and they don't want to go through anything negative. There's several. In fact one guy's a game hunter up here. That's how he makes us living and he doesn't want to know either but he's a great

guy. He sees tracks quite a bit and stuff but he don't want to And so I got a few. But anyway, I was putting a team together. I had about a half a dozen guys. And I got a man, a guy that used to a guy, a real military guy. He rolled in the medals and what he volunteered for. And a sergeant, Marine Sergeant, God, God, I need somebody to hit this.

He's perfect. And I got him to do it. We all in agreement. And he was like me, a no-kill thing. We don't want to shoot at these things or anything. So we'd all agree with that. I had one other, everybody agreeing on it. I had two professional hunters on stuff,

and they knew something about this stuff, and it was all great, we had a great team. And I was up there with one of them after a month or two into this stuff, and he just looked at it, it was just me and him up there and one of these hunters.

And he is, he said, I'm going to kill one. I just looked at him. I said, what? I didn't even say anything. He looked at me, and he was just staring at me. He said, I'm going to kill one. He said, It's the only way you're going to prove this.

I'm a son of a bitch. No, no. I think these things knew had an idea about him because he had done quite a bit of looking around, doing up, and I think they'd know evidence at all. He never seen anything. And he told me that nothing less good.

I said, they were there. But I think they got a beat on him. These things are freaking super smart. It's just unbelievable. They're so smart. I can't figure these things. things out. It's like an oxymoron. They're like primitive and barbaric guys. They're just,

they're brutal, they're strong, they're wilds, run down a frickin' deer and elk and kill it and eat it raw and all that stuff and then be so super intelligent, how smart, everything you do, they're already ahead of you before you think of something. I just, it's one hell of a phenomenon. I don't know what to think about it.

The deep you get into it, that proverbial rabbit hole or whatever it is, you just get steep and you just don't, it just seems hard to try to explain it. And we don't even know what hell they are. Obviously, they're there. What hell are they? I just, I don't know. But it's just great stuff, but I, what a phenomenon.

No, I'm nervous. I'd really have to know somebody. I'll never do that again. And in fact, we had the teens, we had scouting, looking, nothing ever happened. Didn't see anything. Since I've been by myself, I've done around.

I hear him. I've seen tracks. I cast one of them. And I do better by myself. And the three times I brought people up there that three times something happened, I'm convinced that they didn't want me bringing anybody there. They elevated the intimidation factor a little bit every time I brought somebody. That was all intimidation stuff.

and they didn't want to come back except the hillbilly. But he had to go back to New York, so he didn't come back. Me, they didn't. They weren't worried about me not coming back. They know, I'm crazy. After what I went through with them, I've got to tell you this one. I just one. I don't know how much time you got or whatever.

Ronnie, I have the time. Don't. It all comes down to how much time you have. I have the time, though. We're good. This is me. I've got a lot of things that can talk about. I go on forever.

but this is the most important factor now because it's so recent and stuff and there's still possibilities. I was told, and by one of the hunter guys we had. That was a guy that wanted to kill one. And I dissed myself from him hoping he'd go away and I guess you did. But he's one that told me that I've heard it before, that during hunting season, these things leave an area. They're in an area. And that makes sense. Guns going off.

People coming in. they leave an area. I thought now this is, they're there every time I go up there, whooping and stuff. And I thought, God, that's a good time to maybe test that.

So hunting season was coming around. First it was deer, and then it was elk season, and I believe. Anyway, I went up there and took for six back of the food ups. And I am sitting there

and I'm laying in the thing and there are a whipping in the background and it can almost tish of them fucking dancing back there or something because you could tell

they're moving and they're whipping and stuff and all of a sudden they're quiet there they just kept no quiet

and you're coming 200s on four-wheelers one of the they both had rifles and one of the caval flas

and then they pulled up one behind the other and I'm sitting in the chair with a beer playing to get daughter and I think

it says it you sure know how to do it. He said, yeah, I just did here and wait for him to come to me. And he said, we haven't had any luck when they're talking about hunting. And they talked for about 20 minutes. And they said, oh, take it easy. And said, yeah, when they left, they got on down the ways a little bit.

And they started whipping again and going. About 40 minutes later, I'm still sitting there drinking a beer and playing a sing and they're a whipping all the people. They're having a good time. And another hunter come along in a 400 day. until he left the same thing. And I know so much for that theory. These things are so confident that

that hunters, people don't bother them. They just remain hidden so well. You're just not going to know they're there. They're not bothered by people. They're not bothered at all. They don't have to let you know they're there. That's how good they are. It's just amazing.

So, yeah, they were there during hunting season, when hunters didn't bother. So great stuff. Have you heard any, you mentioned you'd heard other reports from the same area as well? Yeah, my summer law was a cop here. He finally got away from that after 10 years,

but he was a cop here at the time. And he got the call. I'm in bed. He comes in the house and he says, hey, just got a bid for a report and whatever he's trying to tell me. I said,

give me the details of the information. Let me talk to the guy tomorrow. He had a fresh report which don't hear very often. And he wanted him to get it. I did it for animals. I said, I just got to be a frickin' wild goose chase.

I said I've been on this before. I know better. I'll know where it's out in the direction and all this stuff. He actually followed his cop car out. about 20 miles or something in the road. And then he stopped me.

He said, right back in there, you'll see a big tree and stuff. Or it's black. I've got the headlights, but I, anyway, got I supposed to see in this thing. I close up, and it was cutting logs or something. And I go back in it. I knew better. It was stupid, but I'd go back in.

Trees all over the place. I can't find nothing. The way to find nothing. He's a better cop, and he was a big footer. So I drove around for a while. You don't know where to hell to stop her exactly this happened and went back home. I went out the next day and I think he went out and showed me. Yeah.

I write where it happened and stuff. And there were some damn detation tracks. I couldn't make other than good trash. But anyway, this guy. Wellness looks different at every stage. The right support makes all the different. Elevate daily wellness with vital proteins advanced collagen plus colostrum and prebiotic fiber. This 3-1 blend supports radiant skin, gut health, and immune system wellness,

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This guy called, he was so scared, he called for a class. He had a pickup and a chainsaw and he was cutting this wood up and he was getting dusk. And he looks up and right up on this ridge

above him a little bit of an elevation. Only about 15, 20 feet away. He said, things standing there looking at him. And he said he didn't pay attention to right away. He said he looked back

and just kept on cutting. He said he thought there's a man standing there is what he thought. He wouldn't get into it. People do this a lot with these things for some reason. I've seen a man.

Actually, I think, they know that they didn't see it all. And anyway, he said he looked again. And he said, yeah, he knew. And I said he stood up. He said, just staring this thing, just staring at him. And he said that he cocked his head to look a little bit more, because the trees are right behind this thing.

And the thing cocked his head at the same time, just like he did, like it was either mimicking or whatever, but he caught him, just like he did. And that was enough. He was in that pickup, and he was gone, left his tools, a saw, and everything. and on the way into town he called the cops

he wanted to tell it but he did not want anybody in town knowing it and he came by with his couple of kids great two good little girls, great little family he came by and stayed for a couple

hours and went to it and talked to him about it and we never said anything about it to anybody and so it hit reports There was a guy here about three months ago Whatever during the summer It would be when that

God has been more than long or not Did the gas station I have no doubt The guy's telling the truth They had to read the stuff Didn't go around Tell us big for the stories Where I had the gas station

I pulled in and he said Looked at the mountain up there And there's a meadow up there I know they come through there Because I've been here long enough Talk to people and people I know they're not lying and they come through here

around the ridges and stuff but people don't even know it that's amazing but this guy was looking and he says I've seen a big foot up there and I just got out to get gas and he said where he said that matter right there

and he said there was elk and he says it it ran out from the woods into the matter and he said it was scared you could tell and he stopped and it was looking around and then it started

bolted again and it was going to the woods on the other side of how many said out of the tree line came this man but it wasn't a man he says

it was dark it wasn't closed he said it was dark didn't look like clothes he said just hauling ass after it across that metal and so you get

get him here and I talked to the biologist here years ago he said the only thing he's seen in 30 years of it when he said what tracks he said he cast a blast her

glass one he said they had There were four toes. I don't understand that unless they're muted. I don't know. Ronnie, real quick. I was just going to ask you that, actually. I've talked to gentlemen where, and also in Alaska, too,

there are reports that there are four-toed Sasquatch that are extremely aggressive, especially in the Mount Hood area. So that could be what they were referred. Yeah, so he saw a four-toed track in that area. Oh, he's a biologist. He wasn't lying to me. Wow. In fact, he told me, I said, did you ever show anybody or whatever?

And he said, I took the guy up in the Bigfoot researcher. He was up in the high mountain hood. And I said, Parkdale. He says, yeah. That's his name, Peter Burn. He says, yes, it was. That was it. He said, he took that track to Peter Burns.

You know who Peter Burn is. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, definitely know who Peter Burns. So he was that four-toe track around the Oak Ridge area then or? No, you know something. I don't remember. It's been yours. Okay, no problem.

Yeah. I was in the state here, but he had worked here and Washington too, but he was 30 years and the forest biologist. But I don't remember. He was in Oregon, but I don't remember exactly where. But he said he had to get. He said he wished he would he took it. He said he left it at the department. But he said that Peter Burr told him he thought it was real.

It was good size too. I think it was like 17 inches, I think he said. But he says the depth of it, he says, in the woods, and he says, somebody to fake it. And he says, of the impact, he said the depth of it and the stride. And he said the four toes. He said, why would something, they're going to fake a truck? Why would somebody make four toes? Exactly.

So he cast it in. Yeah, but there's stuff around here. I go on and on with a few reports. They're not every day, of course. But yeah, they're around here. Some people aware of it, most of them are not. One that are really don't. Hi?

Oh, sorry, go ahead. The ones that really ridiculous are the ones that are the hunters that don't ever see any evidence. They probably overlook a lot of them and don't even know it. But it's interesting in the other clip of the coin there, too. Most of the reports that come in from all I here are from hundreds. But the hunters that make the reports are in the minority because not everybody goes out and sees something like this. So interesting.

Ron, your files must be just amazing. The things that you've, the reports you've taken over the years, it must be an incredible collection. Oh, gosh. From all over, I, from here to Florida, the Falcon. South Monster stuff. I made multiple trips down there. Actually moved there, stayed there for two months on one of them. That's the only way to give anybody to talk to me.

You've got a small town like that, and ain't nobody going to talk to some crazy California coming out, looking for monsters. I had to move out there. And after a couple of weeks, they sure changed around. I had people knocking at my door. And everybody had their Falk Monster explanation. that had lived there all their lives.

I don't think any of them were right. But it was fun. And they didn't want to meet in town either. They didn't want to be seen with no monster hunter. Make an agreement. Meet them in Texra can or at their farm or something. Yeah, I've got some stories there. They're interesting.

Great stuff. That'd be another hour or two. Did you ever get any reports from Iowa? I'm personally from Iowa. I'm just curious. No, when I get reports, I don't, I like, as far as my own, my personal, my own reports, that I can rely on them for sure. But I think a lot of people are telling the truth, but that's them.

I like my own stuff. But I know, I've spent some time in Montana, Idaho, and Oregon, Washington, and Arkansas, and Louisiana, and Florida. So Louisianna is fascinating me. The honey on a swamp monster. Just another notch of another level going up and no self-respecting Bigfoot hunter

is going to admit or say anything credible about that. I've talked to them. They've done their investigations. They all think it's a hoax. I don't think so. Oh, really? I'm done it's a pit. Interesting.

No, I don't think it's a hoax at all. no i've got a lot of stuff on it i nobody can prove anything but that's in a risk that'd be another hour too talking about that have a feeling we really we might be talking hopefully more than once that's up to you of course but oh i don't mind at all i'm going to start talking i haven't talked for most of the life i only did a few radio shows in fact two of them that i did was because you know who m k davis is yes i do i've talked to MK before, yeah. Yeah, he's a good guy.

He is, yeah, he's a long time. And it's an excellent researcher, and what he does for that is those analyzing those films and stuff is just great. But I don't agree with him on everything either, but we always got along. I like him. We've 15 years, at least, or whatever, we never agreed on this Honey Allen swamp monster. There's something there. I don't see any evidence and whatever.

and he come out with a 15-minute video what about eight years ago or whatever it was and claiming that it was hoaxed this honey on a swatman because he had found that boot back in there somebody had that with a contraption on it to fake prints

and it was it case closed got the investigation left and then I thought boy that was awful quick that was quick so somebody picked some tracks And I know the family because of many years ago, I went back and gone. The mother of Dana Halle killed, they're great people. And there's no way to line.

I spent some time down there, camped out on Pearl River, and got to interviewed people and the biologists down there. And just went through that stuff. And people are not making anything up. And that's my opinion. And on the Harlem Ford is signing the way it was, the history of it there and those tracks, and I checked into his background pretty good.

An honest fellow, him and Billy Mills that he had with him that day when he seen that, and he didn't get the tracks the day that he had, they had, they were hunting and said they'd seen this thing. It wasn't until 12 or 13 years later. 63, you seen it, I think it was 72, that he got tracks. Why did he wait, freaking 12 years or whatever day it was before he could come up with tracks? That's a good point. Yeah.

I just have to run those across those again. And I said, no, they're just in. So anyway, when that happened, I called him. I felt for the family because there had already been through a lot. They told their liars and hoaxers and all that stuff. They went through a lot of roughs got there for a while on a couple of occasions. And Dana and I've always been friends with her ever since I've met her down there and the people. Which is an interesting story.

Get into some details maybe sometime. but I thought I called him up and I asked him, I said, MK. I said, that's what he found and this and not as a contract. So I asked him if he would go on the radio and debate it. And he said, yeah. Not that's going to change anything. I just wanted to help the family out.

He felt, I don't know, but anyway, he did it. And it went for an hour. It was on the Scott Marlowe's radio show, the Biala in Florida. And he didn't believe any of that stuff. He was three-toed stuff. They think it's nonsense, which I can understand, but in a way, but of course, but I, anyway, so we went for now,

and they said it was the best radio show they ever had. They wanted to schedule another one. But we did, and we did two shows, radio shows, and M.K. I still don't see any evidence or whatever. Well, a few years after that, they let me know. he was down there

and announced and he because he had to take I think it was taking his mom in the hospital in Orleans or something

so he had some time so he went down there off the room he ran across some tracks and they were like the Harland Ford tracks that he had said

earlier the years before that they was all fake now he's looking at them and there's a series of them and there it was heavy and it

had to be fresh because same in before, there was a rain, and there was a light rain, and there's rain sprinkled all around except the inside of these tracks that were in the clay. There was no rain in there. There was dry in the areas where it was walking. And he pursued it or whatever, and I think that's when there was a sapling or whatever, that was broke off and it was dry and placed in the pathway. This is forbidden terror. don't pursue, forbidden area, don't pursue it.

That's when he turned around and went out. So I got that. I got him telling me about it. It's all written out. And he sent me a picture of the tractor. Wow, that is incredible. Be too quick to judge the Honey Island Swamp Monster. Exactly.

Yeah. My good friend Alex Petacoff just did a documentary about the Honey Island Swamp Monster. It's on YouTube. Just check it out. I'll send you a link. He's a good guy. He's a great Bigfoot researcher. Him and Tate Hieronymus and Jonathan Easley.

The newer guys coming up, they're no-kill, they're good dudes. They respect the environment. Just respect the creature. They go all over. So good dudes. Yeah, yeah. Why wouldn't you want to shoot something like this? Yeah.

I mean, somebody. I had maybe been around for millions of years or something. Maybe they're a lot less in population. And I don't even know what the other. are one, they only want to shoot one. People are even thinking about nothing. Same a lot, I guess. Your first sip should do more than simply start today. Choose vital proteins, marine collagen peptides, source from wild caught cod. With collagen peptides to help support healthy hair, skin, nails, bones, and joints, it's a simple way to add daily support to what you're already enjoying. So your

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Ronnie and sorry, a question for you. Have you ever brought an audio recorder into that area? Oh, it was dumb. I still kick myself in the past for that. I'd been right up there with Ron Moriad. You'd be past it. You'd be, I would think it sounded like you'd be, yeah, you'd be right up there, man. It's intense.

These things weren't talked. He looks like he's got a language going on. I didn't have that. These things were just fished. But they were loud and they were clear. Man, I was so loud. It's just, and I know better. Your first sip should do more than simply start the day.

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I know to do it when I have some kind of recorder on you. But I didn't care. This might sound unbelievable or stupid, but it is stupid. But I didn't care. I've never been out to prove the existence of these things. Never figured I had much chance anyway in doing that. But I never was really out to prove it. And when things were happening,

I didn't care. I didn't care about it. I never cared about the limelight or any of that. I would have been a radio show's a long time, though. I don't care. Just not out to prove anything. And now, of course, I didn't know it was going to be that intense either. So if I had any idea, it was going to,

but you're supposed to be ready. And I've been through something like that before, so I should know better. There was no excuse not to be able to document that, but I didn't. And I had two times on top of it. of the major stuff. And so I kicked myself in the bun.

And it wasn't just for me. I realized later on that, my God, this isn't just about me. This is about the way who introduced me to nobody believe me. He wanted to be able to prove this with somebody believing me. I don't give a shit me he did. I should have been there for him. And then I, and not only that, I get to thinking about these researchers and stuff that they dedicate their lives.

And a lot of, there's some dangerous. There's situations out there. I could tell you about some of that stuff. And they really put it. They're all in here. They've been in for some of them all their life. They're getting nothing like. And I got thinking about that.

God, I let them down too. So I didn't feel very good about myself. I would say I wouldn't put yourself down. You've done some amazing things. I would say, promise me next time you go out there, you'll have an audio recorder. And it'll be rolling the second you get out of the car. That's what I, that's what I, that's what I, would say, but...

Yeah, I need to do that. I just got to. If I can get it back to the way it was the way when I left it, it might not get a lot. You might get some whoops. You say, whoops, whoop, oh, wow. They do it. Get some of that stuff, but it won't be on the scale

or what the hell they were... When they're acting like they want to kill you. Holy shit. I've even thought about that. My God, I miss that. I feel so bad. I've entertained, but not very long. long. I've entertained the idea of going back

and make that sound. I get a pissing them off again. And I had, no, I just can't do that. That's why they started trusting me. And not only that, a third time might be a sense. They might get to think of you know, this fellow ain't getting the message. We're going to have to get serious. That's all I'd need.

That's good. No, I ain't going to do that again. Yeah. Let's do one last question before we wrap it up, because we are going on two hours, surprisingly, because this conversation has been made. Amazing, Ronnie. I was a thought for an hour. I'm pardon.

My question is, you mentioned earlier in the interview that you were using human baby cries for call blasting. Yeah, that was a, yeah. What is it that made you decide to use that particular sound? Oh, I didn't. That was Richard Greenwell's idea. And it was working. I've talked to a lot of other researchers. Some too, if someone had stayed under the radar, I'm not going to mention.

And they've told me, and I believe in there, I know some guys are freaking excellent at this stuff. And they said it doesn't work. It's called. They haven't had any luck in different areas, different places. And I believe that. They're not making stuff up to me. I've known them too long.

But I think there was something special about this area. It's 40 miles back in. You don't see anybody back in there. It's rugged back in there where we went. And he had been doing this. regular role every couple of years he was doing it every year every two years but doing it and I don't think these things back in that area where I just didn't know that much about people or stuff or wasn't familiar

I for some reason that area it worked where it doesn't work in other areas and this stuff it figures because this type of research really stains it's just so unpredictable it's like nothing makes any sense changes which means it sounds less credible because where it goes. But I know that for some reason it worked there. And I didn't go on his last, let's see, 2005 was Richard's last expedition there. That's when he had melanoma and cancer. And he wasn't doing good.

They were back in there. And they, no, and I want to tell you one thing about the conference that it was the call blasting. Sure. I never back in there. And they had to see who was it. I think Angela. Yeah, Angelo again, the biologist, he was there. This is the trip back in there after I was with him.

And he was there. Richard's son, Darwin, and one of his friends, which should have been me. But I didn't want to go. I got another whole long story. I didn't get along with Darwin. very well. But I missed out on the best time, too. But while they were back in there, they had all the quidd.

They're called blasting stuff that they had, was set up special by Darwin. He was good at doing that kind of stuff or whatever. He had worked excellent. You'd take it, we'd hike it and carry it a big unit. We'd take it up on the hillside or the mountain, and man, it'd last from, you could hear it echoing for miles. It was fonchy.

just to hear that with those vocalizations. But anyway, on this trip, they got everything set up, they got the stuff. They got 500 pounds of stuff back in there, too. Again, we had used horses, almost lost on them. But anyway, another story. But they got it back in there, and there was a component that wasn't there.

They needed to get the call of Lesting gone. And there's no way to get out. They're on foot. it's 40 miles back so Darwin was in good shape and his buddy they hiked 40 miles to get a part in

Orleans to get that thing going they were gone for about a week that's intense yeah it was a while it might have been five days or something but it was quite a while I didn't have to check with it

but it was a long time that's 80 miles go to town and come back. Some real interesting stuff happened on the way. I'm not going to get into that. We can talk about this. In fact, we should do that specific tribute to Queenie and talk about him. Yeah.

But anyway, they didn't have any call blast. Nothing happened. Nothing happened at all. But as soon as they got back, and they put that in there and called back, they had activity that night for two weeks straight every night. And they got one of them on thermal imaging. And one of them turned and reached up in the bushes and took the new kid in his tent.

Pushed the tent down and felt him in the tent. That was the last thing. But Richard was dying. And he wanted to stay. And they were saying, no, his son was saying, Dad, you've got to go. This isn't good. You're sick. But he had never had activity like this anywhere.

Not even not there. And he didn't want to go. He was dying. And Angelo, the biologist, he's a great fellow. Just talked to him yesterday, actually. But he, and it was always loyal to the society and Richard. And he broke his ankle trying to get him out of the canyon, Richard, to help get him out and get him on a horse.

But because the horse has come in, I guess, as to what it. No, I wonder. They had yields at time or love us. Anyway, that check him out too. In fact, I think they got him on him. God, it's been a while. I wrote a nice tribute to him. I'll have to send it to you.

you sometime. Yeah, that would be nice. Thank you. It explains all that stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I explains all that stuff. The Diangelo, the biology, he broke his ankle. They had a hell of it. And it was at night getting out of there. And rugged down in the canyons, go to the mountains

to get back to the access road. Then it was free. But yeah, there was a long time getting out there. And Richard did not want to go. They were having too much activity. But he went to Berkeley from there, the hospital, and from there. They sent him home. He died at home. Yeah

I could tell you all about that up in there There was some fun times there It's just things that happened Actually Yeah great stuff But it worked back in there But it's all blasted That's amazing

Yeah we've got stuff to definitely Have you back on the future to chat about No problem But Ronnie Thank you so much for spending a few hours Of your night chatting with me It's been so much fun Oh no problem

Yeah, I had a good time. I'll like to hear of self-talk. Real quick, I'm going to go ahead and close this out, and then I have a few quick things for you off the air to ask you, but thanks again all for listening, and thank you, Ronnie. Yeah. Here at Bigfoot Society, our goal is to provide a platform for those that have encountered Bigfoot

to share their encounter in a safe and respected environment. But we need to hear your story. If you've experienced something that you just can't, and explain, please send me an email at bigfoot society at gmail.com. Then we can start the conversation. I know a lot of you have not shared your encounter at all. It's been 20 years, and it's time that you get this off your chest, and then you can get some well-deserved for rest because I know you haven't been sleeping.

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