Bigfoot Society - It Grinned At Me from the Trees — Iowa Sasquatch Encount

Episode Date: September 22, 2025

What happens when a conservationist working in Iowa's timberlands begins to sense that something is watching him? In this eerie and intense episode, we sit down with Jesse, a forestry contractor from Van Buren County, Iowa, who shares a lifetime of strange experiences that range from childhood encounters with hairy beings to mysterious orbs, tree structures, mind-speak, and being told to leave certain areas of the woods immediately. Jesse's detailed accounts—rooted in conservation work across locations like Lockridge, Douds, and the legendary Lacey Keosauqua State Park—paint a vivid picture of how something ancient might still be hiding in Iowa's forgotten forests. If you've ever wondered what it's like to work every day in the backyard of Sasquatch, this episode will open your eyes—and keep you up at night.🗣️ Share Your StoryHad a Bigfoot encounter or strange experience?Send it to [e-mail] – your story might be featured on the show!🎥 Watch & Subscribe on YouTube🔴 Subscribe here → Bigfoot Society YouTube💬 Leave a comment & let us know your thoughts!📞 Leave a voicemail with your story → Speakpipe (Use multiple voicemails if needed)👥 Share this episode → Watch & Share🎧 More episodes → Podcast Playlist🌲 Recommended: New Jersey Bigfoot Encounters💥 Support the Show & Get Perks✅ Join the community on Supercast – Become a Member✅ Listen ad-free & early on YouTube – Join Here📱 Let’s ConnectInstagram: @bigfootsocietyTwitter: @bigfoot_societyTikTok: @bigfoot.society🧰 Tools & Partners I Use (Affiliate Links)These help support the show at no extra cost to you:Beam (Better Sleep): Try BeamWildgrain (Better Bread): Join HereSeed (Probiotics): Get SeedMedi-Share (Healthcare): Learn MoreLMNT (Electrolytes) Free Sample Pack with your first purchase! : Get LMNTOrganic and non-GMO groceries delivered for lesshttp://thrv.me/uarEhS🎙️ Podcasting Tools:Repurpose.io: Try ItDescript: Sign UpStreamyard: Start RecordingRiverside.fm: Try Riverside🎧 My Audio Interface: View on Amazon☕ Buy Me a Coffee – Support Here🛍️ Grab Some Merch – Shop on Etsy📬 Mailing Address:Bigfoot Society125 E 1st St. #233Earlham, IA 50072📧 Business Inquiries:[e-mail]

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From backwoods trails and remote mountain haulers to quiet farms and crowded highways, the stories come from everywhere. And each one leaves us with more questions than answers. These are the voices of the people who've lived it. So settle in because today you'll hear another account that just might change the way. you see the woods forever. So stay with us. All right, Bigfoot Society. You've got the privilege of talking to Jesse today.

Jesse is a hunter and a forestry contractor from down in Van Buren County in Iowa, down the southeast section of the state. I've actually been on Jesse's show, which is called Beast of Burden. So I'll definitely have that linked. You can check that out as I don't do a ton of interviews, but it was fun chatting with him on his podcast. as well. But welcome to the show, Jesse. How are you doing today? I'm doing great. Thanks so much for having me.

Absolutely. I'm excited to have you on the show. Finally, your area really has an interesting history to it. There's a lot that's happened over the years. And I actually haven't told you this yet, but I did have an individual, an older gentleman, come on TikTok recently to share some classy encounters that happened in Lacey Kias. Aqua State Park down there in Van Buren. That'll be coming out eventually. But yeah, I mean, I would love to hear, you know, if you wouldn't mind sharing what you've experienced, you've had some really interesting things happen over the years down there

in Van Beren County. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, it's been kind of a wild ride. I'll just start from the beginning, and that's okay, and kind of go to more recent events. So I'll be honest, when we first moved down to Van Buren, I was kind of a big foot nut. I mean, everything, when I was, you know, 12, 13, I was just looking for it because I just want to have that experience real bad. You know, you watch all the shows. I'll be honest.

And we just discussed this too, just to be totally straightforward. Some of my earlier experiences, I can go like, well, did I really see something? But at the same time, it stuck with me for so long. I'm like, did I? You know, it's one of those things like, did I experience? that. It was my head, but why is it stuck with me if I can't brush it off? So I'll share a couple of those earlier moments. You know, I was take a dog for a walk on our family farm in the back, and it was, I think, springtime. And some of our deciduous trees, like our shingaloke and ironwood

hang on to their leaves, and I bring that just for a pattern's sake. And I was walking back, and I see this outline, and it was really neat because the color, matte, but it also contrasted against these trees hang on through their leaves. And what I saw was like this pretty good-sized thing. They looked like Cousinette. It had a blend of color to it. Like I could see from the knees up, it was black and then kind of a lighter brown color. Then the cuffs around its wrist were like a blondeish color.

And the head was more blondeish, but it had this interesting color, you know, tritone of colors. But it stuck out like it looked like someone standing there against these trees. And it really shocked me. I'm like 13. I just run. Now it's very possible that I, my mind wanted to see it. I was just taking my dog for a walk. I remember running back to the house and I recall along our day, we have a bunch of cedar trees. Now they're, you know, 20 feet tall. They've grown up so much the past, you know, 15 years, 20 years. I recall seeing this, you know, that coconut conical shape head bobbing along the treetops and I went inside and nothing happened. And again, you know, committed

adrenaline rush and going, man, I think I made that up. But I'm like, I remember that so distinctly, you know. So that was a really profound moment. And I was, you know, typing up my sightings and submitting him to you just for safekeeping, honestly. And I was like, man, that really stuck with me. I thought I'd bring it up. Another moment. This happened about, I don't know, summertime, the next encounter.

I was alone a lot. My parents, you know, my dad worked out of state. My mom worked in town. I was homeschooled. So get your schoolwork done. You go do chores and mow the yards. stuff like that. And it's a hot summer day.

It's like July. I'm out there on the yard and I look over. And I recall seeing like this ape shape looking face, like a silhouette, looking at me underneath the branches of this oak tree on the west side of our yard. And it startled me. I'm inside. I'm like, what was that? I'm looking out the window and this shape is gone.

Now, it's very likely it could have been the light of the sun shining on the leaves. But I remember it's looking at that ape-ish human. looking face just at me with his little grin at its face like I'm watching you and you're like what I remember looking back and you know I've kept an eye on that tree line for years I've never had that light reflection

before I know my yard at the back of my hand and man it was just a really weird thing and I just it was still like you're being watched now one memory that I'm trying to go chronologically here I was like 16 or 17 later on again I'm home alone my parents were both out of state work and I was mature I can handle myself make my own food

you know I'm pretending myself and this memory just makes me like oh it was like August or July I was but I'm sleeping and in the middle of the night I just hear this long loud lion-sounding wolf howl and it was so loud it woke me up with a startle I'm just laying in bed and it was just like And it went out like for 10, 12 seconds. And I was just laying there going, what was that? And I've heard a lot of coyote howls. I've been out west. I've heard wolf howls.

Yeah, I've watched National Geographic. And I'm like, I've heard lion roars. And you're like, okay, that's nothing I've ever familiar with. I remember grabbing my little cricket 22. And I went outside. And my dog sleeping outside in summertime, he shed like a theme. He's laying this crate going, what was that, dad? and I just shoot around the air just to deter anything, but let's be honest, anything that big,

probably wouldn't care. So I went back inside and tried to sleep. So that was my earlier experiences. I do recall hearing some weird sounds like I've heard the women scream, could have been a mountain liner Bobcat. I've heard what sound like someone yelling for help, but it was really late in the evening. And like, you know, seven o'clock in October or November night, you know,

I thought, well, did someone follow their bow stand? and I ran to get my dad. He goes, I don't hear anything. You're making it up. And it just sounded like this really mocking help. So that was that earlier experiences. Let's fast forward to 2020. I really didn't.

I really got out of the Bigfoot thing. I lost interest in it. I just accepted it's either alive or it's not. And I'm content with that. I just lived my life. And of course, I came across a more First Nation-based podcasts like Xeno hunters on YouTube. And then I've been listening to your buddies. and don't whistle a night podcast, fantastic stuff.

But things of that nature just understand, that's out of curiosity, well, what do the first people say about this being? And I was more interested in listening to them because they just knew. And so I have slight interest, but not like the interest of going out looking for. I just was interested in the stories. And I remember being on my farm.

It was 2020. And I had this beautiful sun and flower plot out for dove hunting. And I get off of work, I just want to run down there, take some pictures, just hang out, enjoy the beauty of an August evening. And at the time, my neighbor raised some hounds. And they were just going nuts, barking and barking. And then this sound came from the east and it shut everything up.

It sounded like a fake bark, but very big. And it was like this boom, boom, boom, like it was mocking them. And everything went quiet. The hounds shut up. The birds went quiet. their crickets wouldn't cry and I was like it's time for me to go home so um later on I want to say early 2021 I heard a weird noise in the woods I live outside while I live in another county not too far away from my my home and I live kind of a busy highway but there's a lot of timber cross road you know

to the west open farm country cross the roads it's more urban and some houses in timber a large track of timber. And I was taking my dog out. And it was, you know, 10 o'clock in night. It was kind of a early thaw. It was January thaw. You know, snow is melting. It's like 50 degrees at night.

One of those random warm thaws we get in January. And I'm, it's really quiet. It's January evening. And so I'm listening. I did this, what sounds like radio chatter coming from the woods. There was just like this. and I'm like, what is that? And I kind of thought about it in my local mechanic and a buddy

of my live across the road at the time. They never had the radios on. My mechanic next door, he's got insulated pole bar. You know, you only hear the music when you go in. And my buddy, I mean, he's been there for at least a year and he never play his radio. And I'm like, did he use radio on? But it sounded just coming down in the woods. So I just kind of left it at that show, you know,

I'll wash my hands of that one, took my dog and went inside. So I believe my next experience, how would you describe? It was like a third person experience. So I started, I actually took a break from my career. This just wasn't going very far. Got a normal job. And then I had a lot of opportunities that brought me back into it, back into the Fortry work.

And I got my first timber jobs in a long time, not too far away from Lopridge. I would say between where I live at now and that Lockridge area. I was going to this job, and I had my truck and trailer and four-wheeler, and this red Chevy tech up assaulting down the road to my timber. I'm working on, and I'm like, what's this guy need? So I get to the gates, and I get out, and this gentleman hops off his truck, he goes, are you trapping? And I used to trap, I told him, sir, I've got a long time.

Because I'm here to do some timber work. Is, oh, you're working in there? I said, yeah. And he goes, that timber's spooky. What do you mean? and he goes, I got chased out of there. I go, really? And he goes, do you believe in demons?

And I've had demonic encounters several times in my life. And I'm like, well, yeah, I was, I don't know it's a demon. Maybe it was Bigfoot. And I'm like, I guess you never know. And, you know, I did not brush his gentleman off. A good friend of mine used to have the podcast, Mark, and the Ghost of Me podcast's current one. And his partner at the time, she was from North Carolina.

And she always said this and stuck with me. and it is a new level of respect for elders. So where she lived in in North Carolina, she was a waitress at a cafe, and she said, it was very common to hear the guys at the table planning their fishing trip up the creek and some old timer come over and go,

now boys, be careful. I saw a big for the other day again drink of water. You all be careful. And they just said, okay, sir, thanks for the heads up. They just treated as like seeing a deer. And they're always respectful about it. And so I just shook this man and said, well, sir, I appreciate the heads up.

and he goes, oh, you bet, and I had everybody to chased out of here. And I was in that timber when it got dark. This sensation came over me like, it's time for you to leave now. And I just remember that feeling. I'm like, okay, it's time for me to go. And I recall one time in this timber, I'm doing a thing called hack and sport. You take a hatchet and a bottle of chemical, and this timber is really overstocked with element ironwood and you're just hacking these trees without having to drop them down,

setting it back to let, you know, the sunlight come in, Forest regeneration can come about, Forbes and baby oaks and stuff like that. And, you know, so you're whacking a hatch against a tree. So it makes thunk, thunk, thunk sounds. So I'm whacking these trees. I hear thunk way off. Now where I'm at, you know, Saabi's style is populated.

There's areas, there's not a lot of houses, but, you know, three or five houses is pretty normal between homes and sometimes more in in between. So where I'm at, I'm like a mile back in from the road to this timber. there is no houses nearby. And I'm like, I heard one whack with a hammer. And that's why am I thinking, like someone working on something? I never heard another knock.

But I thought it was weird that here I am hacking. I hear this stoke. And I thought, huh. Now, let's see. I'm trying to keep my math, my time date straight. I believe, let's jump to the fall of 2023. I'm at my farm. and I'm doing a thing called Basil Bark Sprang for an invasive job I'm doing for my farm.

In Basil Bark Sprang, you're mixing diesel with a chemical called triclip here, but mainly focus on multifilower rows and honeysuckle invasive species. So it's a nice October day. It's partly cloudy. It's warm, I'm in a T-shirt, beautiful tour, and I'm just working away. And my neighbor's dogs, different neighbor, closer. His three dogs are just going nuts. They're barking and barking to hear me.

walk around the leaves. And then I hear this long, drawn out whistle. And again, everything, the dogs went quiet. It was like, and it went on for like a good three, five, eight seconds. And I was like, oh, man, I'm very stubborn. I'm like, I ain't leaving. I got to get this job done. So that was just so profound, everything went quiet.

And I asked my buddy later, like a year later, I'm like, we're hanging tree stands. I go, I told him the story. He goes, I don't tell you. I don't know. I don't have a dog as well. That's why I thought he was doing something. And it came from the inside of my timber, like south-central part of my timbre, if you're looking on that map, essentially. But anyway, so then a week or two later, it's like November,

we've had a front come through. It's kind of partly cloudy, and it's kind of snow and it's trying to rain. It's that beautiful ambient light. This is the thing that really stopped me in my tracks. Mary Ann Basil Park, sprang on those little ridge, all these black locust trees are at. It's really thick.

And I'm spraying. And I have this tree in the corner of my eye, and what I thought was a vine moves. And what appears to be a hairy, long arm with five fingers unravel itself around the tree and it hides behind the tree. I stop in my tracks and I'm like staring at this tree after the corner of my eye saw this, and I'm staring this tree for good two minutes. If you want something done right, you do it yourself. That's why you change your own oil.

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patrocinoed for GSC. There's no way I just saw what I thought I saw. I remember walking over to that tree. I looked around all sides. Nothing was there. And I will never forget that movement. And that really stuck with me for a long time. So far, nothing like that, but that hairy arm,

I will tell you this much, you are not alone in the woods in the Amirn County. That's, I will leave that there. So now, it gets funny. after you and I talked on my podcast, when I interviewed two, things really got ramped up, and I don't quite know why, because I think I told you the night after we did our interview, a dog outside, 10 o'clock roughly, this is January, I believe, maybe late December I don't quite remember, but this lightning bolt comes out of nowhere into the timbers.

And just this random storm, didn't even storm is this really quick thing. I'm like, what does that mean? You know, it was just like, what does that mean? So then things started happening. I remember going on my farm in January for our late muzzle order season. Didn't see a deer. I got to take, you know, take a ride. I take a lot, take another ride.

And I'm looking at my neighbor's timber. I was driving by so what's going on. It's getting late. It's, you know, I'm at, you know, pass a shooting light. And I see this in the timbers like this, I believe, a silver looking light, blue, silver light. I'm like, oh, someone's got down for a tree stamp. Well, then I'm going around the corner.

I see another silver light, and I see an amber light. There's a lot of people in there. But what struck me, there's no vehicles. And I know neighbors. I don't know these took her people, but I've been down this area long enough. When people hunt there, there's always a vehicle parked on the road or parked in the hayfield and just light enough, there's no one there. And I thought, so either people are hunting or these are the orbs that folks are talking about.

It's like, I'll make a note of that. So then we get to spring in early winter and whatnot. Oh, I will say, I didn't get this person's permission, but I did reach out to a person that you've had on your show. They've been very helpful to me. So if you're listening, thank you for your help. But I did reach out to this person after you and I talked, and I explained to this person, I said, hey,

it sounds like you have connections with these forest people, as they describe them as. And I say, you know, I'm in this habitat work. I'm really into restoring native habitat, oak savannah, but I have to use a lot of chemical. Does that bother them? I'm just curious what you know about that. And this person replies back and they go, oh, and I'm not bragging, okay,

I'm taking what this person share with me. They said, oh, they like you. Oh, my, they like you a lot. I'm like, excuse me? They said, they don't like the chemical, but they understand why you're doing it because it's such a big help. All those have plants and ignoring, that's their medicine. They're lacking in that,

and they really appreciate it. I'm sitting there looking at my phone, reading their message, just the idea of being watched, like the other ones, and yet the idea back in your mind, like, am I alone out here? And then, you know,

it sounds like you're fulfilling a purpose, you know, and more than just conservation. I mean, I'm a passionate conservationist. I mean, I brag about this, you know, San County Almanac from Alba Lopold sits next to my bedstand like my Bible,

you know, I mean, I take it very seriously as part of my life. But then knowing that, is there something else out there that I was reaping the benefits, and I hope there is. I think that's wonderful. But so, you know, that's the back of my mind.

And I do listen to your podcast a lot when I'm out on the timber. And I'm very aware, is it a possibility your podcast, you know, or just stuff in general, influencing my experiences, something pops up that's non-bigfoot related. And you're like, oh, okay. So anyway, I'm trying to keep my story straight, where it happened next. Let's mention the feathers. So as you're working in the timber, there's a very good tools, chainsaws, patchets,

and I would park my four-wheeler, and I'd go in and occasionally chainsaw get stuck or a big bang, a new bar gets pinched or whatever. And there'd be so many times, I'd be walking back to the spoiler three or four times, and all of a feather laying there or sticking out of the ground. And I'm like, oh, a hawk must have flew by. Well, then it kept happening. And I've been in the woods a long time. I mean, you know, ever since I moved down to Van Buren, since a teenager, I'd be out there hunting, imagination, just going for walks.

I can tell you how many times I found a hawk feather. It's not always common, but it was, I found like three or four of my whole, you know, 20 years being down here. But then I started finding more and more. And it'd be one of those things, like I remember, you know, one day my chainsaw broke down to my wife, what's going on calling her and I'm pacing back and forth. I know, I'm like I am right now. And I've ever seen a feather. I turn around, turn around again, it's gone.

So it's like, boom, it's here, boom, it's gone. You're like, what the heck is going on? And the one day, you and I talked about this, my other friend talked about this. The long day, I'm trying to wrap up the timber project. And I'm just trying to get this sucker done. And back and forth, back and forth, five or six times out of his deer trail. and there's a feather sticking out of the ground and it wasn't there

just no more than two, three minutes ago. And I get down and I grab this feather and I look at the stem, but the feather comes out of the bird's wing, there's dirt on it, meaning that it was placed in there. I feel this super surge of positive energy overwhelmed me and I feel like this hand on my shoulder very, very briefly. It's a very faint hand.

I've been touched by ghost, okay? and it's a weird sensation. It kind of felt like that, but there's something there, but there's nothing here I can see. You're like going on right now. So, and you know,

at this same place, you know, I recall seeing stuff like the, how can I have to describe this? You mentioned about the predator look, you know, from the predator movie, that wavy vibration.

Yep. I've seen that, but shorter. So I'd be driving my forward. All of a sudden there's like this little three to four foot tall wavy thing going right in front of me. I'm like, well, is that a little guy or is that a spirit?

Is that a little person? I don't know, you know. But I'd be very distinct. I'm trying to think there's anything else to mention before I move on from this area. I thought there was one more thing that was kind of, oh, yeah, this one was kind of crazy. So I listened to her with Dr. Love. I believe recently she was on Flash of Beauty. And I haven't listened to that one yet.

And she, you know, left some really cool pearls of wisdom. And one of them was, we should pray for him. And I'm like, well, why not? So I'm at this job. I'm about to begin. And I say a little prayer, Lord, be with our forest people, friends, give them lots of blessings and love. And Jeremiah, I hear this, I hear this call come out of behind me.

He's like, da-da-da-da-da-da-da. And I'm like, just stop. And I'm just listening. And I'm like, that either was a really pissed-off squirrel, a big raccoon or something else. But I, you know, it's 10 o'clock in the morning. And like most, you know, like raccoons, they're done for the day. They're hunkered down. They're still cold out.

They're not quite moving. And squirrels, I mean, sure, but, you know, usually it's like a couple little barks, not this long, deep chatter. I mean, it sounded big. And I'm like, well, here we go. And another time, this timber, I remember hearing voices, and I don't hear voices, by the way. But it's not like people talking, and I know in this farm. I am in the middle of nowhere again, and there's nobody around.

Lainer would let me know. They were coming. I wouldn't have been there if they were hunting or whatever. And maybe say hi, but it was just. like people talking very lowly and I'm like oh this is kind of interesting um I'd have gone gifting at a couple of these spots in my place and nothing has really taken them except maybe raccoons and stuff I don't do I don't go through the notions of hanging stuff in trees I just leave where I feel I should at um but I I've been to some spots where I try to hide them that

raccoons get to them I've gone back a look a few days later it's still a day and I was texting my friend and they're like, yeah, you know, the alpha or clan leader, if they don't trust you yet or don't like you or they don't know you, they will not allow their members to take these gifts. I'm like, oh, that's interesting. That's good to know. So I was just kind of a thought. I thought it was interesting.

Okay. I think that's kind of after this area. So I'm doing a tree planning at Lockridge. And it was springtime's always busy. And, you know, I was kind of doing these old daily short little prayer. and, you know, it feels kind of funny because I don't even know these guys, I mean, the experience I've had so far, I've just, I've just accepted there's something out there and I want to be on the good side and just out of like I would like to connect with

this being at some point and just to verify like I'm not losing the mind here. But I got slacked on praying for these guys. I didn't be a short 30 second little, you know, 15, 30 second prayer. And I'm out there working and I'm pounding and, you know, playing. these trees, spin the tubes up. And then I remember coming across this strip of rabifur. There's no blood. There's nothing there. It's just

this strip of rabbifer laying there. And I'm like, whoa, that's interesting. And I remember going back to get something that rabbifer was gone. And then another day, I'm back there. And I'm in Amish country, just so you know. I'm, again, down a dirt road. The neighbors

are all Amish folks. They got chickens. This means something. So I'm cleared back. And this is small, partial, it's very tiny. So I'm appearing the back end of this little timber partial. I'm 200 yards away from this Amish person's house. And one of my steaks, my timber steak, my tree-plaining steaks, there's a chicken feather on this steak, the cyborglass rod. And I'm texting my friend going, what do you think about this?

And this person says, well, they want their prayers back. They take prayers really seriously. And you should. You know, it's just a reminder, we're still huge here. Okay. So I remember going back up to get some more stakes. I'll send my prayer real quick. So I said my little prayer.

I'm looking off. And now I hear some really big run and I look really, really quick. And what it appeared to be this big brown blob, I mean, it's running fast. And it wasn't a deer because I, this little piece to timber, there is no deer. I mean, it's open. It's not great. I don't find any deer beds in this took their spot. I mean, it's two or three acres.

It's a very, very small partial. And I'm like, okay. I remember messaging you, you're like, but you're finding tracks? And I didn't think the look, but also everything's so much grass and leaves. I mean, it's really hard to find a track. So I just,

I think they'll show me when they're ready. Now you kind of agree to that I recall. So then it came to the ugly part. This is my least favorite part of a tree plant. I find it so ironic, but you got to do it. You got to spray around the baby trees, with the tubes up, of course. So you can set back the,

competition so they get the roots going. Now, luckily, I only had to spray or the brome on the edge was the inner timber stuff I could leave alone, thank God. But I had to really take out the more competitive plant community trees a chance because those roots underneath do matter. And so I'm just saying, I'm not a lot of guys. I'm so sorry if you're here. I'm so sorry. I hate this. I don't want to spraying this stuff. You know, and I'm so sorry, you know. And maybe it's for my own conscious because I feel guilty about it too. But it's part of the job we do sometimes. And I'm getting near back where I found I'm that chicken feather out. And I come across this pokeweed plant.

And this is where I get kind of uncomfortable because this is where I started feeling these sensations. They're not voices. They're like a feeling. And it's really strong. And so I'm looking at these pokeweed and I hear like this grumpy old man voice in my head. You can kill those. We don't like it.

And it kept saying and I eventually sprayed the pokeweed and it stopped. I was like, that was kind of weird. I remember thinking about my actions, I'm driving home, and I'm down these roads. I always think about what did the land look like before the settlers came here. That's always been the back of my mind. I think any conservationist's mind is back their head. And I heard this grumpy old, we'll say, well, I'll show you. And I started going to a trance as I'm driving.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We're not doing this right now. I don't know what's going on. I'm going on. I don't know what's going on. Steep Hill in a curve. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. We're not playing this.

I don't know. What's going on? You got stop. and I messaged my friend like, hey, are you familiar with pokeweed? And this person says, well, yeah, that's like their weed. And I said, I don't think we're talking to the same thing. So I send this person a picture. And they go, oh, no, no, no, no, they don't like that stuff.

They think that stuff's garbage for them. Okay. And that's the same weed they're referring to. And people know what I'm talking about. It's just a purple, stockish, stockish plant. It's a wonderful early successful plant, bird plant. And it produces berries. I like to leave them alone for the birds.

Many of the way, they don't like him, apparently. So, okay, I think we're done at Walker. That was the most profound things there. Now we're back on my farm again. This is, it gets interesting. So I kind of forgot, but I don't, did I tell you about the mole story on our last conversations? You know, I was, note,

I'm following along with your map that you sent me, and I was thinking, I was like, I can't remember the mole thing. So I don't know if we actually talked about that. It was really brief. So again, I'm in my timber. I'm attacking this black species. It's very invasive.

I'm hacking it. And it's hard of rain. I'm like, I better wrap this up. I come across this little stream on my place. And I've known about it, but things have changed from the management so much my farm you can actually access to stream. And it's this really pretty little spot. You have these two big white oaks overlooking the creek edge. And it's just like, you know, two, three steps you're across it, you know.

And it was just really pretty. And I was sitting there. I need to head home. I turn around. Again, I just walk down this thing. I'm walking back up. Now, keep mind, this is mid-May. There's a point I'm bringing up. There's a dead mole laying there. This time you're in May, what's having its letters?

Bodcats, coyotes, and foxes. They really heavily on moles, thorns, gophers, mice, further young. No coyote or any other predator would leave a morsel like that left behind. and I send this picture to my friend. I said, hey, again, one of those things,

I'm walking by, nothing there, walking back, here it is. And this person has special abilities, as they say, and this person says, apparently one was munching on it, didn't like it spit it out. And I'm like, oh, God. Like maybe, you know, but I'm also like, could I have missed it?

But again, it was one of those things like, I was just fucking. I didn't see it. And it just, it's just right here. It's freshly dead. It was just a weird thing. So later on,

I'll make a week or two later, I thought, okay, I'm going to go gifting. And I was, now, look, I treat this pretty seriously.

I look at these guys are really real. I'm in their territory. I'm going to be respectful. So I'll leave my phone, my hatchet, my bottle of herbicide, my gloves, all in a pile.

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Talk to your doctor or pharmacist today. Sponsored by GSK. And again, and you know these sensations, the best way I can describe it, how it comes over, it feels like this. A chasm of energy open up in your chest and it just expands over you. And this feminine voice comes over and says, we really appreciate your conscientiousness. We appreciate being so conscientious about this,

but you don't have to go such extremes. We would really prefer it if you gifted at the oak trees you found. And I'm struggling, because I'm thinking like, am I really hearing this right now? This is all in my head. And it was such a strong sensation. I'm like, I'm going to trust my instincts and just go with it. So I put my stuff back on because I got to go back to this spot where I need to start hacking that.

I'll leave a little, I think it's garlic. It doesn't want to look like that I was instructed to. And I go across the stream, and again, I hear this grumpy man voice coming over my head again. And I'm hacking these black lobes. And he goes, what are you doing that for? And so I'm trying to kill these trees. And I'm just talking aloud so I can, you know, bring back a plant community. Well, you don't have to use that.

I go, well, how would you do it? And he goes, your hand in the tree until you don't belong here. Just imagine that tree going back to the ground. Now, I humored my intuition or wherever this voice was. I went back a few months later. There was a little black locus sapling. It did not work. But it was a cool idea.

I'm like, that's interesting. And so now this corner of my farm, I have three or four acres of fallen cedar trees. We cut them down to open up. It was really successional for the plant communities again, you know, brooding and half birds and all that good stuff. And I'm getting deeper in these cedar piles trying to as many black loaves I came for how to go home.

And I started hearing what sounds like pig grunts. And keep in mind, there is a hog confinement across the road from my farm, but I'm like 400 yards away. I can only hear these hogs is if they're feeding them and they're squealing like mad or right next to the confinement like across my fence or something. Sounds like this. And it was so weird because every time I hit a tree, I heard this. and I'm okay

what's going on here and now this is my farm I know this place back in my hand I've never had a sign before and that's when the woods get kind of quiet and I'm like okay and then this is the part

I just sound like a complete nut job but bear with me in my mind's eye kind of picture these three big black big foot standing around me and I'm like okay I don't hear anything so I mean washed really heavily and his other voice comes over

it says you've gone too far you see that deer tree over there take it, take it back to the logging lane, and go back to the way it came. You're too close. I'm like, you know, it's all good. I'm just gonna, my head out. It's time of you go home.

And so I follow these instructions, but when I get down this deer trail, I'm trying to leave, this other angry voice comes over, and it sounds like, who's got the poison? Who's got the poison? Okay, I'm getting out of here.

Dumb. I'm really, again, you know, I'm the kind of guy. Am I really experiencing this right now? Like, is this really happening right now? is this in my head? And I'm very acceptable. Maybe I did.

And so I fall down this logging lane and I get to this bent elm tree. And I sent you a picture of the other day. They're like, oh, big of this. And I want to point out as a foreshoe contractor, it is very common for trees to bend themselves trying to find sunlight. So if you have a heavy, heavy canopy and that little tree is not getting sunlight, it will go in weird shapes to get to the sunlight. Like I sent you a video yesterday of a tree doing just that. It was being oppressed by bigger, mature trees.

Now this tree, plenty of sunlight for a grow straight. And again, this is when this grumpy old man voice comes in my head. And I'm like, okay, I got out of here. I'm losing it. And it said, like, you got a little too close. We got some families back here. You can come back. You were talking out loud by maybe burning this, which is great,

but you got to leave and you can't come back until September. That was what we'll be out of here. here. They're like, okay, I'm going to go home. I'm going to lay down. This is a lot. And that was a profound mind speaking call that happened to me. And it was just a weird thing.

And I'm very content saying either it did happen or didn't happen. It was just a very strong sensations. And I took heed. So a month or so goes by and I'm working at a neighbor's place doing the brush management. It's like late June. Pretty warm. It's buggy. A lot of growth. It's difficult to walk through. And I'm walking along

for hunting stuff. And I'm long on these train tracks. And I'm not too far away from the road, but I'm a good, you know, 500, 600, 60 yards away from the road. So you can close enough, you can still hear traffic go by. And I'm listening to the meteor. So not even your podcast. Right. Mine's I am in Bigfoot

the moment. And I happen look over and I see this Tee-P construction on their side of the railroad tracks. And I was like, you've got to be kidding me. There's no way that's why I think it is. And so I put my back back up the fence. You know, I don't care a railroad.

I'm going to check it out. And I go walking over and it just looks like one of these structures you guys talk about. And I see a healthy tree and what looks like a bunch of little trees with no root systems. They look like they've been, you know, healed apart or whatever at the bottom. And they're all lean against this tree. There's like three or four or five of these things. And I'm like, look, I look over. to the light of this structure.

And what it looks like, I don't know how you want to describe Jeremiah, but it looked parallel to ground. Again, very likely they could have grown like that due to the pressure and the lack of sunlight. But they're all like laying flat down and they kind of create this canopy. And all these mulberries are dropping on the ground. And you see all this animal sign like accoons, deer, but it looks like a lot of disturbance underneath. Like someone's been wrestling down there and tearing stuff up.

And I'm like, wow so i you know i said look guys i'm going to take some pictures i'm going to get out of here this is really unique and a blessing to see this and i'm just going to leave to be so i took some pictures to you and then i get back to work and i'm just very kind of at a loss of words like is this what i think it is on a railroad and it's similar it's all there and no one goes back there and i'm like well sure you know even railroad you can't see the railroad it's down an embankment you know So I started walking and I just happened to look down and I see his little five-toe track and I get down.

I sent you the picture. You could barely see the toes. There's a really wet summer where, you know, we haven't had a lot of rain for a couple of years. And I think all the moisture is showing these tracks more dry years, nothing means an imprint, really. And I get down and I measures, you know, a little bigger than my hand, which I don't know. Five inches, six and I don't know. And then I take a picture that I go back to work. And again, I had a bigger track, which is, you know, my footprint is 11, 12 inches.

And this thing is probably 16, 18 inches long. You find toes. I let's stick there to kind of show we're into that. And I'm just like, I don't know what's going on. And am I wanting to see this or is this already here? Is this really what's going on? And I remember the next day I was just hanging out with kids or watching a movie. I'm just sipping some afternoon coffee and this thought occurred to me.

All my best clients have been super patient, eager for me to get in there, begging me to get in there. They're just good quality people. But at the same time, I find interesting, all these clients are very eager to get their timber managed and easy to work with. Quick to pay. Always a big plus. And I thought, what if these guys are tapping into the subconscious mind?

directing these certain landowners may not just need other contractors as well to have a passion of this stuff to manipulate the habitat to make it not just for them but better for wildlife because you think about it the more wildlife they have that means there's more food source of them to eat and the medicinal plants that's huge and i don't know i just really struck me as very bizarre and like what an interesting thought and things have slowed down quite a bit um I found a couple more tracks. One was on the same farm. I was on this one.

I was at this lady's timber. It was gorgeous. It was what a timber, a healthy timber looks like. No one faces it. It's perfect. I just meant this later the first time. I'm walking in a furniture stand. And I looked down and there's another track right there.

And again, super patient, not eager to get done. She's just like, whenever you get here's great. I'm like, and I'm back at the timber now. I have those experiences.

with the feathers. I just got back there. And Jeremiah will tell you, this timber is gorgeous. It's an honor to be there. But it is deathly silent. I hear crickets. There's not a single bird in this timber stand. I've never been to timber that is so silent. It's odd. But it's calmly soothing the same time. So that's been the experiences thus far. And that's all I got to say. It's incredible to hear the whole story together because, yeah, you have been, we've been chatting for quite a while and you always send updates and stuff. But to hear it all together, it's really interesting how it has progressed over the last few years. And it's, man, and to know that, you know, it's happening in Van Buren County, which if you look at the whole picture with Van Buren, there's, I mean, I've gotten reports going back.

easily 80 years. If you look at the whole picture... Oh, wow. So, because there's a gentleman I talked to off record who he said his grandparents lived in Dowd's area, they would tell him about something called what they would call the Yehoutis, which were a giant type thing that were seen around the 1940s in Dowds. Give me goosebumps. So my farm's not terribly far away.

from that. Right, because I'm looking at like the on-X, but also like everything together. And it's like, oh, my goodness, because his stuff is there. Dowd's is there. But then you've got Lacey Kiyosakwa is like right in the middle of the county. And that's where all the dog men are seen. And that's where this guy in the late 80s had some crazy class A's that I talked to a few, few days ago.

And then we got Shemek, which Shemek is crazy. too. That's kind of down the corner. But my goodness, Van Buren is just a wild place when it comes to Bigfoot. You kind of mentioned you were driving and they were like, well, we'll show you. And then you started to like have this phase out thing. So have they shown you things? Or was that the first time you've experienced something like that? So since you asked, I'll be honest.

This is where I'm going to be, I'm not sure how to share this because if anyone's listening to like this guy, I was freaking rocker. I don't want to love my phone. Well, they might want me around for a novelty. I don't know. This guy talks to Bigfoot. So I think I've had one talk to me regularly.

And again, it's a very pleasant conversation. It happens two or three times the past year. I don't feel like I should say its name. It's mentioned its name. And I don't want to say it because I, I just don't feel like I should. But I was home in the evening, and I was thinking about this, and this one I've talked to two or three times,

this is the second time probably? Is this a good time to show you what it looked like? And I'm like, please. And, you know, I've gone in some deep meditations, Jeremiah. Like, I meditate almost every other day. And I can get really, really deep, like so deep, It feels like you're swimming down to the abyss and you have to swim back up to come back out of it. It takes me a couple minutes to come out of my meditations.

So when this happens, it feels like a meditative, deep meditation. I closed my eyes and I immediately saw myself on these planes. But, you know, back in the day, we had oak savannah. And imagine the savannas of Africa, but instead of a boatry, you have oak trees. And there are remnants across most of Iowa, the Midwest, and you'll see those gigantic oak trees, these gigantic canopies. It was open back in the day. It was all prairie and shrubs.

And that's been historically documented. But in this vision, I'm seeing everything. I'm seeing bison. I'm seeing elk. I'm seeing white-tled deer. And it's just this beautiful, you know, painting of prairie plants and these shrubs, these big tooth aspen trees. And there's prairie willows scattered around.

And you're like, wow. You see the First Nation people migrating across the landscape. And then they start showing me. the settlers coming. And what they showed, I've always had a hunch about this. I don't know there's any scientific evidence to back this up, but they showed these oak trees talk to each other.

And it's like a communication, like the big network. And the network is kind of through mycelium. That's scientifically proven, but the tree part I'm not really sure about. But these trees connect to each other. And it's like this gigantic living network, living ecosystem, but it's all interwoven together. and when the settlers started to plow up the prairie, they disturbed that connection,

and that's why some timber sands are just really disturbed. Either they weren't timber, and it grew up into timber, it was really nasty timber, and there's some areas where it's just overstocked. They're just not being taken and things are not being managed properly. There's no animals like bison and elk disturbing these. There's no fire, which was really critical back in the day.

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prairie plowed up, but you see the disturbance that happen underneath. You're like, wow. So that was, that was a profound moment for me and um i don't i haven't even shared that my wife uh i told her a couple things i told her all these stories but this one i was kind of like i don't know she's gonna go for that one you know it's like meditation but i don't know that is that is very intense and i appreciate you sharing that because i know in this subject there's things that happen And that's one of them where it takes a lot to share things like that in a public forum. And it's appreciated for sure. Absolutely.

Who asked. I'll tell you. Right. Right. Exactly. Have you talked to other individuals that do similar work to what you do and are they having other weird things happen? You know, I have one very good friend of mine. I like to talk to him.

He doesn't do the contract work. He's more of a consultant. I text him out of just pure throw a dart at the tree. And I said, have you had any weird experiences in the woods? And have you had a lane owner open up to you? He simply said, yes. And I said, when we have a free moment, let's sit down at a campfire and you can share. I have no judgment.

I want to hear it all. My other fellow contractors, I don't think I have never asked them. and I know them pretty well. They're all really hardworking people, but they're very folks in what they do. Things could be happening. They don't realize it. And they might have seen some weird stuff,

and they just press on like I have. That's wild. What did that feel like when that person was like, yes. How did that affect you? He's pretty scientific-minded. And he said that. I was like, oh, wow. And he's a great guy, a good friend of mine for years.

And I was just like, we got to sit down and talk about this whenever we were ready, you know. But yeah, I just felt like confirmation, you know, and I'll be honest, it really sparked the interest again was our friend Connie. I mean, I don't know Connie, but when you had her on, I mean, I listened to those episodes. I'm like, what the heck is going on? You know, and I would like to ask more people questions, but since I've seen some posts of people trying to ask about Bigfoot Van Buren and they're shut down immediately, you know.

So it'd be nice to meet more folks that are sound mine. Yeah, I think there's something going on. We just don't, I think this culture in Southeast Iowa is very protective, but I don't blame them because it's funny when you go to Appalachia. Those folks talk about like it's seen a deer run by. But then over here, it's like, nope, it doesn't exist. I don't talk about it. I'm going to block it out. And that's unfortunate.

It is. And you run into that a lot. where you try to ask in certain areas and you're just shut down. But sometimes, you know, it just you hear back a few weeks later. I mean, that's what happens to me when I try to go into certain small town Facebook groups or whatever. But it's something I was just wondering or just noticing on the map. I've never noticed that weird thing that the Des Moines River does in the center of the county. It is, it doesn't even make sense why it would, like.

It's just crazy curve and Kiyosakwa is in the middle of it. And then you've got the state park. That's just so strange, dude. It is interesting. I remember, you know, I was brand in the area. You know, my friends would take me to the fireworks down there, Kiyosakwa. It's an awesome thing to do in Fourth of July. And I was going to come, man.

The river looks at going backwards. They go, yeah, it's a big curve, dude. And I go, oh, yeah, you know, you're used to, you know, going downstream. And it looks like it's going the opposite direction. Absolutely. And you hear from, or at least I hear from a, lot of researchers that if you're wanting to find a bigfoot area, look for the crazy curves in the river.

Oh, that's interesting. I did not know that. Yeah. I've heard that a lot from people. And so it's, I don't think it's really a coincidence that Lacey Kiosakwa State Park is right there at that wild and crazy curve. I don't know, man. It's just, it's very, very strange.

well what's your why do you think that curve do you think it has a flow of energy and they just get it kind of jives them up I mean what's your thoughts? I don't know I've been I've been trying to you know think through it for I mean for a few years now

and I just I just have no idea it's usually like if there's a curve there and then there's a lot of like there's a wooded area but man I don't know what is are there a lot of

what's the geology like down there? Do you know anything about that? Well, I mean, we have several lime quarries. So I would say a lot of our minerals are limestone. I mean, we have the largest, you know, lime quarry, I think in the state, which is bowed, you know. And listen to Connie's episode, it sounds like there's been encounters in those quarry caves,

which is wild. Now, I think in the interview we did, I don't have you looked at it, but people should go check it out. If you look up the magnetic anomalies map of Iowa, which I'm not quite sure how that works, but shows like in magnetics, because the Earth has its own frequencies and stuff like that, it's kind of really dark purple for most Southeast Iowa. It shows like there's a big anomaly of genetics, not coursing.

I'm not sure how it works, I guess, but it was definitely an anomaly for most Southeast style, which I thought was really unique. That is such a good idea. I have never thought to even look at a map like that. And oh my goodness, yeah, you're right. Yeah. Wow, dude, that really makes you think, doesn't it? Have you run into other people in your county that are also into either this Bigfoot subject or dog man and are actively researching the county?

No. I don't know anybody. The only guy I met was a gentleman who tracked me down, who claimed. man. Now, I have, there's something I didn't notice. Have you seen the Sasquatch silhouettes that people make, like, you know, the laser cutter guys make? You know, quite a few people have those.

They're cool. My wife won't allow it. Probably get shot at probably. But I kind of wonder if that's a sign that perhaps they believe or have had an encounter, and that's just a way of saying, yeah, I may have seen one. That's as a theory.

I'm not sure that's true, but it's interesting thought. No, I think there's definitely something to that. It's so weird that the area is so active and there's no one else unless they're just being quiet about it, which is a possibility. I think there's a lot of quiet people. I mean, dude, I mean, listen to Connie's story. It just sounds like don't talk about it.

Don't say anything, you know. And, you know, look, man, I mean, it's rural Iowa. I mean, people, you know, peers. are everything. Your tribe is everything, you know, and if the peer group doesn't agree, they're going to tell you, you know. So it's, I don't know, I would really like to have a conversation somebody. I would love to talk to someone from the Musquokie settlement up in, I think it's Tamma County. Oh, yeah. And just ask, you know, what's your guys's oral history? You know, I like to learn. I've looked online. I can't find much just on the forest people, but I, they do talk

about four spirits, but I would like to talk to one and just like, just share. I'm all, I'm all years. No judgment. I was wanting to hear your side. Yeah, that would be super interesting. Have you ever considered looking into their powwow that they do? I don't even know if those are open to the public or how that works. I don't know they are. I would love to go to one, but I haven't looked yet. It's a good idea to try it because they're, they're the ones that are going to have the definite information about the that history of of really the entire area so i think that's a great right right yeah well i mean i i think you know they weren't comfortable talking on your show i mean people's like uh don't whistle on my podcast i did a great outlet just uh talk about oral

history stuff you know they're more comfortable that way but no i mean i know one gentleman who is i believe i think he said he was musquoky descent i would love to sit down with him he's our um or one of our local But, you know, you just want to be respectful, you know, and just don't want to go up to somebody. But hey, you know, that's just not, that's not cool. So I just, yeah, it would be nice to meet somebody that has that old history. Jesse, you're having interactions as you work, usually. Yeah. Sometimes people will get to the point where they're like, okay, I want to actively go out and try to go to an area and see if I can have things happen.

or are you comfortable with sticking to how you're doing things where, you know, if it does happen when I'm working in these certain areas, then that's what's meant to be. I'm pretty comfortable just see what happens. I mean, I'm in their home and I'm trying to improve it. It's kind of weird because you feel like a contractor that's, you know, hey, I'm going to improve your house. Well, I'm even going to do it anyway. I have a Zen practice. I imitate.

And, you know, I've been told I have the hard. of a child. And that's not supposed to be a derogatory thing. It's just I'm very open to curiosity. I'm open to things. And I, you know, I get excited seeing baby oak trees. I dork out on the stuff, man. And I get excited planning new forgotten species that are native to our area. Like, I got this little grill of the big tooth aspen and see aspen trees back to native range is really exciting to me. And I get more excited seeing a woodcock do its dance than I do a big white-tailed deer. You know, that's just my heart. And I think, sometimes I go in expecting an experience, and I know that's not a healthy way to go about it.

It's more I like to experience something else because my ego is like, oh, another tree. But deep down, it's like I have always been the outcast because I'm not the typical hunter. I look at balance. I look at conservation. That's my number one goal. I don't care about the big white tail bucks. I mean, yeah, it would be cool to harvest one, but I'm more interested in balance. So I shoot more doughs in my area and I enjoy the meat.

And I'm more eager about seeing more quail and turkey and other animals too. I get excited seeing different kind of moths. I mean, I'm a dork, you know, but I have a love for the land. I think they'll connect when they think the time is right. And so I will just continue my work and just focus on the conservation work. And I'll be honest with you, if one ever showed itself to me, I don't know what I would do. I've prepared myself because Connie claims she's seen hundreds of them and I'm like, that's what I'll think about. And I just, you know, I'm like, I don't know.

You know, did she? I don't know. I'm taking a word for it. But, you know, it's like, what would I do? This nine foot tall hairy dude shows up out of nowhere. And I'm like, oh, man, you know, my biggest fear is how I will react. I've heard a lot of stories in your podcast, man. And betrayal seems like a really big thing.

And which is for anybody. And the idea of like I just do a fight or flight mode, it breaks my heart knowing I would break their heart, you know? And that's the thing. I would like to meet one and just connect, but also listening to the Sierra sounds and some of your stories on your show, it's like, oh man, these guys are different, you know? And I don't know. It would be quite the site for sure.

but and I'm prepared for that because you just never know. I mean, I don't know about these dogmen. I don't know. I don't know. I've never many one. It's such a vague topic when there's so much more and more information on these forest people and so many more stories.

It's kind of like, is it our dimensional being that just pops in out occasionally, you know? Anyway, no, to answer your question, I think I just folks what I'm doing to stay at the focus, to ask a hand and just see. where their carts fall. Absolutely. And I think that you are a human that is so focused on pretty much, I mean, pretty much

is saving the earth, the nature of the earth. I mean, that's what you do as a conservationist, which is really cool. And I think that probably plays to your favor as well. I think there's a lot of merit in people opening up and talking about this subject. in this area. And, you know, it doesn't mean you have to be like, oh,

what's that one, Bigfoot show? But, you know, it's a squatched. You don't have to go out looking for this guy, you know. I don't know what you're talking about,

but, oh, I can guess, actually. Okay, yeah, I get it. Sure. Yeah, yeah, that show. No one back 15 years ago.

You know, we don't have to go looking for. We can just, you know, there's people in this area that are like, I need to be on my chest. We can have a campfire

and have a meal and just share. You know, I mean, I'm open to that, you know, and just get it off your chest. I think that'd be really healthy. I think that's, I mean, I've heard of actually other people doing that in other states around the U.S. It's a great, great way for people. It's really therapy for people to just be able to have someone listen and not, you know, make fun of them. But, you know, Jesse, I want to say, you know, thank you so much for coming on. I'm glad we were finally able to have this conversation.

And it'll be interesting to see, you know, as your journey progresses, you know, what happens next down in Vambyrian County. But I wanted to make sure that you were able to share everything that you had come to the show to share today. No, I'm very content. And, Jeremiah, I really appreciate it. I was very blown away. You want to talk to me. I really sent you my stories. If anything happens to me and my wife's like, what the heck is.

I don't care of this. She's going through the computer that somebody hasn't. And, you know, I mean, I'm out in the woods. I mean, I could get, you know, stole away by Bigfoot or tree falls on me or, you know, falls like the wheel. Whatever, man. It's just like somebody has the stories and I'll keep adding to them, hopefully. But, yeah, I am just really grateful you took the time to interview me today.

Thank you very much. Yeah, absolutely. And, you know, just to address that, you know, we have the back and forth because we have talked before. So, you know, that's why I may be laughing a little. little bit. That's just because we're having a good time. But in all seriousness, you know, these are very serious things. And, you know, if people are experiencing things like this, you know, they are welcome to reach out. If they need someone to talk to, they can always send me an email. But, you know, Jesse has been a privilege talking to you. I do have one or two things to say

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